@@framesbond007 That is why he left Cleveland, that is why left Miami, that is why he got 3 rings, but 2 of those he was not the leader, once being Allen and the other one Wade. Did I miss something on leadership there? Like the all say with the captain: If the ship is sinking, the captain says YIKES, im gone.
Magic was a better passer, but LeBron is a better scorer, defender and rebounder. He's also more athletic. They both had the ability to carry teams deep into the playoffs, but LeBron is the better overall player. LeBron is a better version of Magic in my opinion.
All these topics do is help Lebron James. Jordan fans don’t realise that the more they bring up Lebron, the more credibility they give his goat argument.
Totally. I agree with you. But when you look back at MJ's accomplishments as individual and for the league (sending an unforgettable trend - Jordanesque). That guy was P-H-E-N-O-M-E-N-A-L!
Bec he's the standard every other great player will be measured against. Thats why he's the GOAT Now its bron, in a few years more, who'll be the next 'great' that'll be compared to MJ? lol
@@No-Hassle Lebron has a better resume? Lmao! Look at unbeatable records between Jordan and Lebron. Pretty sure Lebrons resume is lacking. I wouldnt even put him in the top 20 of all time.
@@aaroncoonfield7092 and if you look at the deeper stats like the PER,Jordan is 1st..............of ALL-TIME. AKA hes the MOST productive AND efficient player of all-time. Jordan is a BEAST on offense AND defense.
What lol? Lebron is by far more consistently great he went to 8 straight finals.... mj consistently couldn’t get past the first round without pippen and the rest of his all time team.
BriBriBros well LeBron couldn’t win a chip without wade and bosh, and then kryie and love. Smfh I hate when people say “OH jordan couldn’t win without Scottie”
Ummm Lebron James is practically top ten in almost every statistic, what do you mean when did Lebron jump over everyone else? Do you not pay attention to the NBA?
GNB Lebron couldn’t stop Kawhi. Kawhi could stop Lebron. And he left the game. Never ever would that happen to Kobe or Jordan. He’s not a killer and you know it. You know it was Kyrie with the jumper that was the killer. Just like it was Ray Allen in Miami. Lebron is great just not a killer. I’m a lakers fan I wanna be wrong lol.
MJ has the killer instinct and made everyone around him better. Not to mention 6 for 6 titles. Just imagine if he didn’t leave for baseball. Or if the Bulls didn’t get broken up after 1998. That’s 8-10 titles easy. Insane.
You're tripping. MJ is a terrible leader and teammate. Your points are straight up backwards, cause MJ needed a support cast of yay sayers, he assaulted them and threw hissy fits when that perfectly assembled roster didn't perform to his liking. (while LBJ both carries and conducts his teams like few before) Also they didn't get worse when he retired lol (contrary to LBJ) he came back and they got kicked out with him in the first round of '95 playoffs, so your argument is a joke. MJ didn't get past real opposition till he was in his prime with a perfect team build around him and his opposition was washed up...
@@octopus8420 Lebron came back from a 3-1 deposit against the greatest regular season team in NBA history. That's goat status in my eyes. Let's also not forget that Jordan had Pippen and Rodman.
For those who didn't live through that time, there was a special feeling watching Jordan play even if you weren't a Bulls fan. Nobody has had that aura since. Maybe Steph Curry to a degree when he was hitting all those 3's that one year a few years ago but nothing like Jordan during his time. He was something something special to watch and never disappointed.
Not Detroit. He beat him up for 4 yrs straight. But unlike Lebron, MJ never had excuses, whined about it, softcast on his hand and let his fans played defense for him
How is being with a team combined for 11 years bailing out smh ? You dont think it takes leadership just to get to the finals 7 consecutive times on two different teams 8 in total apperances. You dont get to the finals that many times without leadership.
@@blkthedonxexodus9383 Remember when Jordan retired in 1993? How far did Scottie get with the Bulls the next season?. A rusty Jordan fresh out of retirement from playing Major league baseball. Took the Bulls to the Eastern Conference finals then went 72 & 10 the following season & won the title.
@@No-Hassle Try us one that he deliberately done it to try fool the refs. Oh by the way, have you counted how much LBJ appeared on Shaq'ting the fool where get caught flopping?
When lebron had his massive choke session in the 2011 finals that ended any and all chances of lebron ever being the goat. Lebron had to learn to have a killer instinct. Jordan was born with it. Lebron personally formed super teams. Jordan won with what was given to him. No debate. Jordan is the GOAT
just a reminder... mj didnt even got to the finals until he got pipen and phil, and mj was in a healthy club that knew how to build the team around him. if you take lebron and put him the 90's bulls he would have won 6 rings also if you take mj and put him the cavs they wouldnt even get to the finals
@Sarthak Kaushik Agree with you. Too many young spectators havent done their homework on the impact previous players (MJ, Kareem,Wilt) would have on today's game. Absolute domination. Even comparing how Magic lead the offence and his passing abilities. He would embarrass bron. It really is too bad that a time machine couldnt place a player like lebron in a challenging era of days past. He would be a good player but definitely not dominate. He's too uncoordinated to excel back then. Not smooth in his movements at all. He has the previous era to thank and was fortunate to thrive in the soft era he played in. I've seen some young fans post vlogs lately and nice to see they have their eyes open as to how much better previous eras were.
@@ronenmaimon2285 you mean a Scottie Pippen who averaged 7.9ppg as a rookie, or Phil Jackson a 1st time Head Coach who no one knew of? Great Coaches need Great Players and vice versa but Lebron keeps jumping teams he doesn't stay long enough.
@@ronenmaimon2285 lmao Pippen became a better player as you know because of Jordan. As for Phil, well, the GM happened to bring in the greatest offensive mind in the game Tex Winter.
Everyone forgets one feat of jordan being great when he went to retirement the 1st time and it made the whole league and the world beg just for him to come back and play again.
kasper rieberg Agree we all know Michael Jordan is the Goat always will be the Greatest Lebron is not in micheal Jordan League Kevin Durant will dog out Lebron if he healthy
Remember when Jordan was struggling to win a championship in Chicago so he went into free agency, aired his decision on TV, and then teamed up with Bird and Magic?.... yeah, me neither.
Josh Baker I remember LeBron constantly being teamed with all stars with greater talent than those bulls teams, and still can barely win championships.
Each year Jordan won a championship he got even better as a player, retired came back and 6-0 Championships. Each year Lebron won a championship he needed more help. End of conversation.
smarter coaches and smarter players... people never think about schemes they developed to beat someone... jordan doesnt win 6-0 in this era im sorry no one does... unless its like a big 3 thats crazy dominate
Jordan left after each 3 and after he came back in 95 and knew he couldn't win he asked for rodman's help. You forget Jordan had one of the best two way players in the league who took on most of his tough defensive assignments, arguably the best rebounder all time and great defender, hof coach with a hof system, arguably the greatest gm of all time, and one of the best benches all time but you get mad at bron for going to Miami for a little help or coming back to Cleveland for the same amount of help
@@j2tyme285 get your facts straight. Mj was a defensive player of the year. Pippen is great talent but without Mj's leadership he probably wouldn't be who he is. As far as rodman, he's a great piece but not rodman of the pistons. Phil became gr8 after the first 3. Lebron had more talent around him in Miami and Cleveland but only won 3. So nobody is mad when lebron accomplishes less with more talents (all stars) on his team
Unfortunately thats not true. The die hard Jordan fans will always say he's the best no matter what. If another 6'6 player came in with handles like Kyrie, a shot like Curry, explosiveness like Russ, Bounce like Lavine and the drive of Kobe and Jordan combined all while averaging 60 a game Jordan fans would say Jordan would've averaged 61
holdupish Not at all. If a player comes along who is better and achieved more in the same timeframe or quicker he will be accepted as GOAT the way Jordan was accepted.
The players on the Bulls weren't worried about having to answer to Phil Jackson if they messed up or simply didn't perform, they were worried about having to answer to Michael Jordan. And that wasn't just in games, it was during their practices as well. MJ probably would have punched JR Smith in the face during that game 1 finals loss. 😂
That’s the difference between MJ and LBJ. MJ would’ve definitely got in the face of JR, LBJ got passive aggressive like he usually does and used him as an excuse for him losing.
@@EdStravagent pippen didn't come to the league guns blazing, Sweetie. During Pip's first year MJ won DPOTY and led in both steals and blocks. Plus those teams he lost to weren't scrubs
edstravagent, I get it you are a young dumb millennial parroting nonsense you heard from another blind witness fool. In 87. Pippen didn't start came off the bench and avg 7 pts. And Guess what MJ won a first round series with SP on the bench. So did pippen's influence from the bench and the cheerleading hel;p the Bulls win the series? LOL Btw fool MJ rookie year he won a game. So do your homework ok? Since you weren't around you wouldn't know that.
Every generation is “softer” than the previous generation. It’s part of evolution with higher standards of living. You say that you can’t stand how life got soft, yet you’re on your iPhone typing this comment. You try to act tough but I don’t know how you will survive in the old times with no electricity. Try to move forward instead of being backwards. Ww2 veterans used to say the same thing about younger generations and it’s those younger generations that gave us the internet. Embrace your generation instead of being offended by old heads.
@Andrew Lee why do you people hold that against lebron? He had NO ONE in cleavland. You cant even name his full roster from the cavs without a google search but expected him to waste his career with a bunch of nobodies...
Adam Jupiter bc everybody literally everybody talks down on lebron u can not think he the goat but why u gotta pretend he just suck , how many leBum or anything lie it have you seen it just this one video comment section
Because people are dumb tbh. This is a debate, and to win it - criticism against the other party has to be made. That's not discrediting, it's debating. Jaylen is simply addressing the dummies.
@@wisechoice8 Jalen himself is also a dummy. Everyone doesn't have to be MJ lapdog. Does everyone have to choose MJ as the GOAT and not be labeled as dummy? You guys think like a communist.
The lebron fans on these shows dont listen even when Jalen speaks clearly and with facts. Jalen spot on regards goat, lbj hasn't surpassed a few as he mentioned let alone nowhere near Jordan
Yeah jalen said he’s not discrediting Lebron, but that’s a straight up lie. Ranking players ahead of him that have no business being ahead of him is discrediting him.
@@danieldeering860 so was the bulls when Jordan got there. Jordan didn't jump ship he went to the gym and got stronger. Everyone needs help but if you moving around it's no good
@Real Is Real;MJ didn't grow,he held the League HOSTAGE by threatening to RETIRE in the interview after the 1990 Game 7 Eastern Conference finals ABUSE at Detroits hands!! A WEEK later David Stern outlawed hand checks and zone defenses,then ADDED a penalty for playing tight defense on prolific scorers,called a "BLOCKING" foul!! Jordan knew the money he brought to the League would prompt rule changes where defenses are LIMITED in what they could do to stop scorers. All for the MONEY!! Fair-play went out with Moses Malone and Dr.J!!
When you're having to constantly make excuses for one player while the other one hardly has any faults on the resume, then it's quite obvious who is the GOAT while the other is media fabricated. Good for coffee talk. All it is really.
What you mean no excuses? WHY DIDN'T JORDAN EVER WIN ANYTHING WITHOUT PIPPEN OR JACKSON? Ever. I mean even after he came back from retirement he STILL couldn't win.
MJ also had so many faults and the same things we accuse LeBron of we can access MJ of similar things. Look at the relationship between management and the players. My question is why are people so biased when talking about MJ? I'm MJ fan but Jesus MJ played golf with opponents the day before a playoff game? LeBron would've been buried if he had done that and lost the game. MJ was a bad leader but great player and we don't have to lie to make him perfect.
Regardless of what kind of people they are Jordan fans pretend like he just played 6 seasons and left. The years before 91 and Wizard years count too. LeBron is in the MVP conversation and playing for the #1 seed (in “tougher” West) in year 17.
Steve Kerr, can anyone tell me what team he played before Bulls? Jordan made Kerr a household name, and then Kerr became GM, now head coach for Warriors; without MJ, there is no Kerr, and no Warriors dynasty
MJ kept a running tally of all the centers in the league that he DUNKED on! Come on! His competitiveness was unbelievable! He made it his business to let the league know he's here!
no its because you got David Stern homeboys in office pushing the agenda because thats their puppet for life and jordan owes them his life because they murdered a guy for him who wanted to kill him because of a bet. jordan allowed two teenagers falsely accused to go to jail for something they set them up for to clean up jordan mess. NO NO NO NO DAT SELLOUT IS NEVER THE GOAT
Most of mjs peers and before & after he played basketball recognized him acknowledge and respected him and he never proclaim himself as the one nor ask for respect. His ferrocious competitive fire in the basketball court and the way he talks to the media and how he handle himself outside the court made him as the goat.
Mike stayed with Chicago. Each year getting to know teammates. Made himself better each year and pushed his teammates to become better. Mike led by example. Everyone wanted to become better BECAUSE of Mike AND they wanted his approval
Exactly. Even players fro opposing teams (based on interviews) say that they either have sleepless night before playing chicago and they UP their game because they are playing Jordan.
because they just cant beat the MJ is better argument on the field, because everything that's measurable on the field MJ is clearly better, so they have to bring out things like leadership or personality etc and try to make a narrative there, just sad.
Liu Matt lol facts next it’s gona be how people have died over getting my shoes. Lol nobody has every died over lebrons shoes so he must be the goat. Just stop they look sad because lebron was the goat there would be no debate and we would just move one. People love to credit Tom Brady with the goat status but then find a way to criticize mj. It’s because he did it on the largest stage and never once came off as being arrogant like lebron
no its because you got David Stern homeboys in office pushing the agenda because thats their puppet for life and jordan owes them his life because they murdered a guy for him who wanted to kill him because of a bet. jordan allowed two teenagers falsely accused to go to jail for something they set them up for to clean up jordan mess. NO NO NO NO DAT SELLOUT IS NEVER THE GOAT
ACC fan here. BIG 10 Michigan Jalen Rose is the most intelligent spokesperson on Sports T.V. He has the experience to back up everything he say's. Jalen even expresses his thoughts like a professional announcer. He should have his own show because the man is very knowledgeable in whatever the dialogue is. Mr. Rose thank you for your professionalism!!!
THANK YOU JALEN! People sleeeeep on Kareem man. Dude is easily #2 some can argue #1 on the GOAT conversation. Russell, Magic, Wilt... c'mon. Even Kobe is arguably greater than LeBron.
@Aswan Aswan I dont understand why these clowns keep saying lebron vs Mj it should be Kobe vs MJ Kobe is the only player that can beat jordan 1 on 1 lebron doesnt even stand a chance
I thought lebron could become the greatest ever until I saw him quit against the Mavs in the finals. He was still a stat monster for the series but he quit & the video of him standing around proves it. It was stunning to watch. He’s given up multiple times in his career in series. Is he the most physically talented all-around player of all time? Probably. But the greatest player? No.
Uncle BobMarley that wasn’t funny. He’s the goat because he as 10 final appearances and is about to win his 4 ring. has the most all nba teams of all time. 1 in playoff points. 1. in steals in playoffs. 2. in triple doubles. He also has the most games win in the playoffs and he hadn’t even played the most playoff games. He’s also the first person to average a triple double in the finals and lead both teams in every major caterogory in the finals. he is also 3rd in all time assists in the playoffs. 2 in 3 pointers made. he’s number 2 in all time points in the finals, also 2 in all time 3 pointers made in the finals, and number 2 in all time assist in the finals, number 2 in all time steals in the finals 5th in total rebounds in the finals and 7 in total blocks in the finals. honestly this guy is a all around freak! he will most likely surpass kareem in all time points in the pace he is moving in. and the crazy thing is scoring isn’t his best ability. that’s not who he is. is it a big part of it ? yes but it isn’t his biggest move in his bag. it’s his passing and play making iq. when Lebron is on the court in these game with the lakers it’s like he’s coaching to be honest. When he is on the floor most of the assists come from him wither he gets the assist or he makes the play that leads to a pass to assist. and this guy is gonna he the all time leading scorer of all time?? lebron will most likely win finals mvp. making him the first player to win finals mvp on three different teams. this man lebron is the most durable NBA player of all time and the most durable one that is out right now. tom brady is the only one i can think of more durable then him. LeBron being such a all around player makes him my GOAT. if you disagree go ahead. but i will say another thing i don’t want to hear “ LeBron had a cakewalk to the finals” The clippers were severerd the same cake. and just maybe if they actually took this seriously and didn’t load management they could’ve been the 1st seed. it’s not the lakers fault the bucks and Clippers didn’t make it, or the raptors and celtics.
Lebron's "leadership" is passive aggressive BS like tweeting at his teammates publicly instead of talking to them in the locker room. lmaaoo I've seen Bron do some GREAT leadership but also act like a child.
Jay Williams is a Duke boy. Jordan is a Carolina man. That's why he says these things. Jordan hurt Shannon Sharpe's feelings gambling and that's his reason for his Goat argument. Nick Wright just wants to be with LeBron. That's his reasoning. Lol.😜😅😀😁😂😀😃😄😆😅😂😁🤩😋
@@chiefsosa1574 thanks to mainly MJ. do research MJ demanded the best from them and had them working out like crazy, took Pippen who wasnt even CLOSE to what he was once MJ took him under his wing and brought him to his 5am practices, 1 on 1 practicing etc. The audacity to throw any kind of shade at MJ who set the table for ALL these stars nowadays is ridiculous
Chief Sosa that’s just facts one guy trade his guys or just form superteams to win. When the other one had to will his teammates into greatness. MJ never played with a player that avg 20 pts in career. So yeah, you can keep your narrative going
Chief Sosa then the next szn b4 Mj came back the bulls were only 3 games over 500 and then when he came back they went 13-4. That first year without him they had a lot to prove plus they still had Horace, Bj Armstrong and added kukoc, Kerr, And longley who became role players for the next three point
@@salvadorperez9980 You sound stupid for that. Lebron left bc he needed to. He played with scrubs for 7 yrs. If he had not left, then the Cavs wouldve never got Kyrie 1st round. Plus whats wrong with learning how to win and what it takes to win when you dont have the blueprint around you. Jordan had that since College. Lebron had to learn from rookie coaches and Gms. Lol. His staff would not get him help his first 7 yrs. No one wanted to play with Cleveland or live in Cleveland. So he had to go. Hes better for it as well.
@@pmontyjaaaymes488 This excuse is lame. it's like saying 'he didn't like himself'. I mean it was a decision that he had to make and it's part of himself. Afterall, he benefited from it right? he just surpassed MJ on the all time scoring list. So why cry about not going through college and all that stuff. had he not played early in the NBA, he would still have been chasing MJ on the scoring list. So which is which? I don't think Lebron will acquire MJ's grip on leadership. The Last Dance shows it. I don't think Lebron could stand Dennis Rodman and all the drama that menaced the Bulls.. And how MJ convinced Pippen to stay despite how the latter was underpaid and wanted to be traded.... THAT IS LEADERSHIP. MJ might even have secretly given Pippen out some of his paycheck--just surmising. Btw, Have you watched the last dance? Do you think Lebron fanboys would still cry about the switch argument? hahaha. I don't know what Nick Wright would have to say. And that ..... Colin The HErd? He just switched sides. Just a thought, Lebron left DWade and Bosh when they could still have won in MIami. The Bulls were 1-2 as the oldest team when they last 3peated. Imagine that! Jordan held them for history! Lebron was busy leaving because nobody could pacify his tantrums!
Jason Carson aye bro, I respect your opinion but I think Lebron would dominate any era. I believe if he played on a team and efficient as Michael Jordans Bulls he would currently have multiple championships. 🤷🏿♂️
Linda Is pretty so MJ lost in the first round his first couple years... who did he play against? Played against great teams. Lebron didn’t even play in playoffs his first couple years lol.
Wait one dam minute. I've told you I've seen all the great being 71 years old. Michael Jordan is the most exciting player ever period. Chuck Daly said he's so good he embarrassing the league.
True. Duncan is 2-1 versus Lebron. One sweep and one by record margin. That old Spurs team had no business beating that stacked Heat team. Duncan was 37, Parker 32, Manu 37, Kawhi 22. Plus had a more consistent career as far as making the playoffs and being contenders & doing it w/o two stars like Lebron. Lebron has missed the playoffs 4 times I believe.
This such a stupid take. Duncan was blessed to be apart of great management and a winning culture (won a title in his sophomore season). If Duncan and Lebron swapped paths then obviously the odds would be in Lebron's favor. Stop acting like Duncan has done more for the game than Lebron.
Let me explain to americans: Michael Jordan His Royal Airness captured the attention of the entire world i could not look away i didnt even played basketball as a latin i played and loved soccer i remember beeing with my friends playing soccer looking at the watch just to leave in time to go and watch every game of the post season it was the same for everybody next day we will talk about everything he did they almost got him but how like in all great movies at the end he did it he overcame great odds great rivals and he gave the movie moments everynight he didnt always win but you knew that if he was playing it was going to happen What --> it was going to happen: something awsome something cool something smooth something magical something we never seen before and at the end it was going to be that number 23 suspended in the air timelessly cutting trough space and time forever and we never saw anything like that again not like him and im not talking basketball im talking every sport stop trying to make this thing a debate it is not not even close
soccer? there is no such thing as soccer... Its called football (as like 99% of the world calls it - and everyone that loves it calls it), any other football is a stolen name.
Man, you spoke like the best commentator ever. You said it with passion and you made it feel like I was reliving the pass. Great explanation. Let just stop bringing this conversation up. Let MJ be the God he is in the basketball world. Thanks bro. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
MJ GOAT! But always amazing how Larry Bird gets completely forgotten about when going through the other names on the list following behind and certainly when the term leadership is mentioned!
Come on I’ve never seen lebron get in someone’s face when the opponent did something to one of his teammates. MJ did that for his teammates during battles to anyone and that let his team know he had they’re back and will go to war for them, that’s leadership. Lebron walks away from things like that.
I love Bron, big fan since 2000, back when he was in school. He is the second greatest player ever. MJ is the real and only GOAT. MJ dominance, consistency and killer mentality was in another level.
It's personal with Jay. He was drafted in Chicago and MJ played with the Wizards at that time. MJ probably trashed talked him when they played against each other.
Cavs had their chances but they dont get the pieces ...what do you expect him to do?the owner dont want to spend his money...the only wrong thing he does is the decision...but he return and finally deliver his promise...bitter sweet
@@TheGrandChieftain If we go back and look. Tim Duncan was a system player. Kobe would be interesting on that team. I would think Kobe could lead them to the finals. He might even steal a game and get a gentleman's sweep.
Thank you Jalen for making the point that Lebron still has to pass other great players other than MJ. Lebron is a phenomenal athlete and he has such amazing control over a game... a 6' 8' 260 pound point-power forward I mean he is amazing. But he has gone missing in big games; that's the problem.
Yup I think Kobe's career was better then Lebron's too. The day they got Pau Gasol I told my buddy he's going to win another championship. I knew what lvl Kobe was playing at back then, him and Jordan only needed one other star to dominate the league.
Cause people know MJ23 is the ultimate standard and folks who didn't grow up in that era want their own Goat...so they trying to make one with LeBron. LeBron has to first beat Tom Brady.
They’re saying Lebrons leadership skill does that include walking off after playoff eliminations without showing good sportsmanship?? What about Leaving a Cleveland team to go to Miami or Sitting separate from a team when he was just on the Lakers? Or how about not Encouraging J.R. Smith when he made a mistake in the playoffs is that Leadership??
Why would he encourage J.R.?? Lol... J.R. is a grown man. He shouldve known the time on the clock. Thats on J.R. Lebron is not a leader?? Then why is it that every player thats played with him, looks up to him. Why dont you go ask the Bad Boy Pistons part2 about that. Ask the Warriors. They needed KD. 73-9 team needed another Super star in KD. They couldnt beat LBJ after losing that 3-1 lead. They knew it was over if they didnt get a guy like KD. Yall can say what you want but Jordan wasnt playing against 7footers who could step out and shoot the 3. 7foot hybrids who could run the court with him. Plus he drove the ball against a bunch of slow guards in the 90s. Johns stockton, Greg Elobe. Byron Russell guarded him ok and so did G Payton. 90s was physical yes. But that was some fouling as b.s. back in the 90s. Then say the league is soft bc they call a foul a foul? Could Jordan guard without hand checking in todays game?
pmonty jaaaymes - I’m with you. He actually elongated JR’s career when no other team wanted a trade with NY. He basically told Cleveland organization to bring him and Shumpert. JR has attitude issues other teams in the league are not willing to deal with. He owes LeBron big time
I think these are the main reasons why you can't just automatically throw LeBron up there as GOAT. Like, I've never seen/heard of a GOAT type player act like that before. Quitting on the team? Nah. Huge L
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If your life depended on winning 1 game who you taking MJ or LeBron?
I’m going MJ.
Max gimme kobe
Max definitely Jordan. Bron will miss his FTs anyways. (cue when Jordan made FT for Dikembe - priceless).
@@rickymartinez237 MJ inspired mamba.
By proxy you picked MJ
Lebron would bully Jordan
MJ and Pippen all the way. But, MJ and LeBron? I'm going LeBron. MJ is 1-9 in the post season without Pippen.
Jalen is the most qualified man has played so many legends and watched them score on him😂
He got abused my MJ, Kobe, and Lebron lol
lol.
LOL what’s funny is he couldn’t stop Scottie either...Pippen abused him as well
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@@framesbond007 That is why he left Cleveland, that is why left Miami, that is why he got 3 rings, but 2 of those he was not the leader, once being Allen and the other one Wade. Did I miss something on leadership there? Like the all say with the captain: If the ship is sinking, the captain says YIKES, im gone.
Thank you....when did he pass Magic Johnson
Jalen Rose schooling these fools.
He passed him when he won back to back and a 4 time MVP without needing another top 10 player all time🤦🏽♂️
@@trejohnson1980 LMAO. Magic was a Finals MVP as a rookie without Kareem while playing PG/Center.
So you don't think LeBron is a better player than Magic?
@@YasharKhanah No I dont.
Magic was a better passer, but LeBron is a better scorer, defender and rebounder. He's also more athletic. They both had the ability to carry teams deep into the playoffs, but LeBron is the better overall player. LeBron is a better version of Magic in my opinion.
It’s really simple. Imagine MJ and Lebron both in there prime on the same team. MJ would be the leader.
Perfectly understood
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I don’t think so.
@@No-Hassle Jordan would not let anyone be alpha dog over him.
Still don’t understand why this topic needs explanation.
All these topics do is help Lebron James. Jordan fans don’t realise that the more they bring up Lebron, the more credibility they give his goat argument.
SERIOUSLY
It hasn't since 2011.
@@eldio2124 Thay makes no sense 😂😂😂. All it does is give credibility to him being a top 3 player, not #1. Try again.
LeBron is the goat🐐🐐🐐💯💯💯👑👑👑
Its amazing how Jordan been retired for almost 20 years now and he's still the most talked about basketball player lol G.O.A.T!!
Totally. I agree with you. But when you look back at MJ's accomplishments as individual and for the league (sending an unforgettable trend - Jordanesque). That guy was P-H-E-N-O-M-E-N-A-L!
Yeay....that really says it all, doesn`t it? If people took the time to check history and stats, there would be no discussion. MJ all the way.
only because he is 6-0
Because Jordan is the greatest player of all time!!!!! Basketball is Michael Jordan!!!!!!
Bec he's the standard every other great player will be measured against. Thats why he's the GOAT
Now its bron, in a few years more, who'll be the next 'great' that'll be compared to MJ? lol
MJ isn’t for the soft hearted
Mf facts yo
Losing in first round consistently that is mj. dont ignore this if you are fair
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@@lindaispretty3142 is that your only argument
@@ShogunX11 an empty one at that.
If you hiring for the job of GOAT, and you look at resumes. It's Jordan. End of discussion.
Kareem, Russel, Chanberlain, Lebron have better resumes
LeBron, really
@@No-Hassle Lebron has a better resume? Lmao! Look at unbeatable records between Jordan and Lebron. Pretty sure Lebrons resume is lacking. I wouldnt even put him in the top 20 of all time.
@@aaroncoonfield7092 and if you look at the deeper stats like the PER,Jordan is 1st..............of ALL-TIME. AKA hes the MOST productive AND efficient player of all-time. Jordan is a BEAST on offense AND defense.
@@No-Hassle good one, not!
One word describes MJ's legacy: CONSISTENCY
The highestlevel of competition he had to overcome to achieve this. Others pale in comparison.
What lol? Lebron is by far more consistently great he went to 8 straight finals.... mj consistently couldn’t get past the first round without pippen and the rest of his all time team.
Khadim Diop he’s got to 9. You clearly don’t know facts which is why your opinion is blasphemy.
Khadim Diop in what world is it better to not even make it to the finals than make it to the finals and lose? Please explain
BriBriBros well LeBron couldn’t win a chip without wade and bosh, and then kryie and love. Smfh I hate when people say “OH jordan couldn’t win without Scottie”
Khadim Diop Mj would’ve got swept in 2018 lol
Finally. When did LeBron jump everyone else to be debated against MJ. Only young folks who never saw the others play.
The only goat debate is Jordan vs Lebron everyone else in the way
Ummm Lebron James is practically top ten in almost every statistic, what do you mean when did Lebron jump over everyone else? Do you not pay attention to the NBA?
Lebron got outplayed by Kawhi and KD in the finals. Never has that been Kobe.
GNB Lebron couldn’t stop Kawhi. Kawhi could stop Lebron. And he left the game. Never ever would that happen to Kobe or Jordan. He’s not a killer and you know it. You know it was Kyrie with the jumper that was the killer. Just like it was Ray Allen in Miami. Lebron is great just not a killer. I’m a lakers fan I wanna be wrong lol.
D Thomas you watched wizard Mj or 1996-1998 Mj not 1988-1993 Mj is clearly better than lebron
MJ has the killer instinct and made everyone around him better. Not to mention 6 for 6 titles. Just imagine if he didn’t leave for baseball. Or if the Bulls didn’t get broken up after 1998. That’s 8-10 titles easy. Insane.
Exactly
7 Guaranteed.
You're tripping. MJ is a terrible leader and teammate. Your points are straight up backwards, cause MJ needed a support cast of yay sayers, he assaulted them and threw hissy fits when that perfectly assembled roster didn't perform to his liking. (while LBJ both carries and conducts his teams like few before) Also they didn't get worse when he retired lol (contrary to LBJ) he came back and they got kicked out with him in the first round of '95 playoffs, so your argument is a joke. MJ didn't get past real opposition till he was in his prime with a perfect team build around him and his opposition was washed up...
@@octopus8420 Lebron came back from a 3-1 deposit against the greatest regular season team in NBA history. That's goat status in my eyes. Let's also not forget that Jordan had Pippen and Rodman.
Just imagine if kyrie and Kevin love didn't get hurt and kd joined the warriors... no point in imaging cuz it happened
For those who didn't live through that time, there was a special feeling watching Jordan play even if you weren't a Bulls fan. Nobody has had that aura since. Maybe Steph Curry to a degree when he was hitting all those 3's that one year a few years ago but nothing like Jordan during his time. He was something something special to watch and never disappointed.
There was no debate about him as being #1!
If we talking aura in Chicago I’m picking D 🌹
@@AbeMurillo777 I remember his prime. Definitely not the same and there are 0 championship highlights.
When Jordan had the Ball in the forth Quarter- People FEARED HIM- Every New York Knick( or Any other Team fan Knows This!)
Facts!!!!!
True
Word!
People had heart attacks when Jordan got the ball in the fourth quarter i remember fans literally on edge
Not Detroit. He beat him up for 4 yrs straight. But unlike Lebron, MJ never had excuses, whined about it, softcast on his hand and let his fans played defense for him
Lebron bailed on all of his teams when he realized they weren’t good enough. How’s that leadership?
Great comment
sammy O exactly
How is being with a team combined for 11 years bailing out smh ? You dont think it takes leadership just to get to the finals 7 consecutive times on two different teams 8 in total apperances. You dont get to the finals that many times without leadership.
True
Same way MJ bailed out on his teamates the first time to go play a sport he sucked at.
This is why its important to have fathers in the household
Maurice Martin
Amen to that brother.
What's MJ record without pippen in the playoffs😂😭🤣💯
@@blkthedonxexodus9383 3 yrs. What was Lebron's playoff record his rookie year?
Lou York City what’s brons record without Dwade and Bosh or Kyrie and Love?
@@blkthedonxexodus9383 Remember when Jordan retired in 1993? How far did Scottie get with the Bulls the next season?. A rusty Jordan fresh out of retirement from playing Major league baseball. Took the Bulls to the Eastern Conference finals then went 72 & 10 the following season & won the title.
I will end the discussion with this: The GOAT never flops on any play.
facts!!!
but one problem...... the lebronsexuals will never agree.
GOATS never choke in the finals
Jordan flopped tho
@@No-Hassle Try us one that he deliberately done it to try fool the refs. Oh by the way, have you counted how much LBJ appeared on Shaq'ting the fool where get caught flopping?
@@andykuo4108 funny you say this and the supposed "GOAT" LeHollywood flopped twice once against Warriors in play-in and another against the Suns
When lebron had his massive choke session in the 2011 finals that ended any and all chances of lebron ever being the goat. Lebron had to learn to have a killer instinct. Jordan was born with it. Lebron personally formed super teams. Jordan won with what was given to him. No debate. Jordan is the GOAT
just a reminder... mj didnt even got to the finals until he got pipen and phil, and mj was in a healthy club that knew how to build the team around him.
if you take lebron and put him the 90's bulls he would have won 6 rings also
if you take mj and put him the cavs they wouldnt even get to the finals
You gotta do more research there son
@Sarthak Kaushik Agree with you. Too many young spectators havent done their homework on the impact previous players (MJ, Kareem,Wilt) would have on today's game. Absolute domination. Even comparing how Magic lead the offence and his passing abilities. He would embarrass bron. It really is too bad that a time machine couldnt place a player like lebron in a challenging era of days past. He would be a good player but definitely not dominate. He's too uncoordinated to excel back then. Not smooth in his movements at all. He has the previous era to thank and was fortunate to thrive in the soft era he played in. I've seen some young fans post vlogs lately and nice to see they have their eyes open as to how much better previous eras were.
@@ronenmaimon2285 you mean a Scottie Pippen who averaged 7.9ppg as a rookie, or Phil Jackson a 1st time Head Coach who no one knew of? Great Coaches need Great Players and vice versa but Lebron keeps jumping teams he doesn't stay long enough.
@@ronenmaimon2285 lmao Pippen became a better player as you know because of Jordan. As for Phil, well, the GM happened to bring in the greatest offensive mind in the game Tex Winter.
Everyone forgets one feat of jordan being great when he went to retirement the 1st time and it made the whole league and the world beg just for him to come back and play again.
He never should've retired in '93 to begin with. It was a weak move.
@@boblangford5514 weak? His dad passed which altered his decision to play baseball.
@@theedrip____2542 did you stop working for years after funerals?
@@No-Hassle haven’t been to any of my parents funerals yet bud
@@theedrip____2542 that was a yes or no question
The conversation of LeBron versus the greatest ever MJ shouldn't even be a conversation. MJ is the goat
I’m with you ! And also the GOAT doesn’t need to tell the whole world that he’s the GOAT ! A hated when Lebron declared himself the GOAT 😖
kasper rieberg Agree we all know Michael Jordan is the Goat always will be the Greatest Lebron is not in micheal Jordan League Kevin Durant will dog out Lebron if he healthy
@@doncooper384 KD 😂
When did Lebron pass Kobe....? Shssssss......
true
Nba fans know lebron, but the world know MJ!!!
It’s definitely the other way now lmaoo
@@vDisi ah nope
@@vDisi if part of the world includes us africans we only know of MJ......
Remember when Jordan was struggling to win a championship in Chicago so he went into free agency, aired his decision on TV, and then teamed up with Bird and Magic?.... yeah, me neither.
Remember when Lebron played with talent as great as that bulls team? Yeah me neither
I remember talent being drafted to the bulls.....
@@Joshsclips remember when lebron got outscored by a bench player in the finals? Never happened to mj 😂
Bob Padilla hahahahaha funny man and true
Josh Baker I remember LeBron constantly being teamed with all stars with greater talent than those bulls teams, and still can barely win championships.
Each year Jordan won a championship he got even better as a player, retired came back and 6-0 Championships. Each year Lebron won a championship he needed more help. End of conversation.
😂😂😂😂 straight like that
smarter coaches and smarter players... people never think about schemes they developed to beat someone... jordan doesnt win 6-0 in this era im sorry no one does... unless its like a big 3 thats crazy dominate
each of the 3.... end of conversation.....
Jordan left after each 3 and after he came back in 95 and knew he couldn't win he asked for rodman's help. You forget Jordan had one of the best two way players in the league who took on most of his tough defensive assignments, arguably the best rebounder all time and great defender, hof coach with a hof system, arguably the greatest gm of all time, and one of the best benches all time but you get mad at bron for going to Miami for a little help or coming back to Cleveland for the same amount of help
@@j2tyme285 get your facts straight. Mj was a defensive player of the year. Pippen is great talent but without Mj's leadership he probably wouldn't be who he is. As far as rodman, he's a great piece but not rodman of the pistons. Phil became gr8 after the first 3. Lebron had more talent around him in Miami and Cleveland but only won 3. So nobody is mad when lebron accomplishes less with more talents (all stars) on his team
when someone passes Jordan as the GOAT, no one will have to dispute it - we will ALL know.
Unfortunately thats not true. The die hard Jordan fans will always say he's the best no matter what. If another 6'6 player came in with handles like Kyrie, a shot like Curry, explosiveness like Russ, Bounce like Lavine and the drive of Kobe and Jordan combined all while averaging 60 a game Jordan fans would say Jordan would've averaged 61
The Breeze underrated comment
Best answer to this I ever seen
@@holdupish I disagree im a jordan fan and if I see a player greater I will admit it but lebron is not it
holdupish Not at all. If a player comes along who is better and achieved more in the same timeframe or quicker he will be accepted as GOAT the way Jordan was accepted.
the fact that his MJ is always mentioned in the GOAT debate after 20 years just shows you who is the GOAT
The players on the Bulls weren't worried about having to answer to Phil Jackson if they messed up or simply didn't perform, they were worried about having to answer to Michael Jordan. And that wasn't just in games, it was during their practices as well. MJ probably would have punched JR Smith in the face during that game 1 finals loss. 😂
That’s the difference between MJ and LBJ. MJ would’ve definitely got in the face of JR, LBJ got passive aggressive like he usually does and used him as an excuse for him losing.
Right..
Exactly
Jordan punched white dudes he ain't want no smoke wit Rodman he just talked behind his back lol
Jr smith too busy partying n getting high to know the timeclock or scoreboard
“I understand he won 6 championships and is the greatest ever, but...”
But? What? There are no buts after that statement.
Jordan haters sound a lot like Brady haters! or is that the other way around? same difference.
MJ was swept in the first round every time S. Pippen wasnt his team mate.
@@EdStravagent pippen didn't come to the league guns blazing, Sweetie.
During Pip's first year MJ won DPOTY and led in both steals and blocks. Plus those teams he lost to weren't scrubs
@@user-it4dq9dj9q can't compare MJ and Brady. MJ is undefeated in Championship games and he doesn't have to cheat
edstravagent, I get it you are a young dumb millennial parroting nonsense you heard from another blind witness fool. In 87. Pippen didn't start came off the bench and avg 7 pts. And Guess what MJ won a first round series with SP on the bench. So did pippen's influence from the bench and the cheerleading hel;p the Bulls win the series? LOL Btw fool MJ rookie year he won a game. So do your homework ok? Since you weren't around you wouldn't know that.
That Motorcycle did a lot more damage to Jay Will then i thought.
hahaha. that is savage
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Superfacts!
@John Harlowe didn't magic and Isaiah Thomas have the same problems in New York in Los Angeles
Stephen A. said it best "I'd pick MJ everyday and twice on Sunday."
Jay I'm 29. I'm a new school dude personally. I was raised old school, boy I can't stand how soft life got. MJ had it right.
You was raised right playa💯💯👍
For real 😏
Bless the person who raised u
Respect bro...I'm 32 so you ain't far behind me...you and I were raised in the right eras...🤷
Every generation is “softer” than the previous generation. It’s part of evolution with higher standards of living. You say that you can’t stand how life got soft, yet you’re on your iPhone typing this comment. You try to act tough but I don’t know how you will survive in the old times with no electricity. Try to move forward instead of being backwards. Ww2 veterans used to say the same thing about younger generations and it’s those younger generations that gave us the internet. Embrace your generation instead of being offended by old heads.
Lebron is great but he know MJ is the goat
MJ is great but he knows Lebron is the goat
Put Lebron on the bulls team 6 rings.Put MJ on the Cavs no ring. Lebron born a leader MJ had to learn how to lead.
@@bonatlelove7732 LOL.
@@bonatlelove7732 LMFAO
@Andrew Lee why do you people hold that against lebron? He had NO ONE in cleavland. You cant even name his full roster from the cavs without a google search but expected him to waste his career with a bunch of nobodies...
People get too emotional about LBJ. Jalen said, "I'm not discrediting Lebron", then Marcus says "why do you feel the need to discredit Lebron." Smh.
Adam Jupiter bc everybody literally everybody talks down on lebron u can not think he the goat but why u gotta pretend he just suck , how many leBum or anything lie it have you seen it just this one video comment section
Because people are dumb tbh.
This is a debate, and to win it - criticism against the other party has to be made. That's not discrediting, it's debating. Jaylen is simply addressing the dummies.
@@wisechoice8 Jalen himself is also a dummy. Everyone doesn't have to be MJ lapdog. Does everyone have to choose MJ as the GOAT and not be labeled as dummy? You guys think like a communist.
The lebron fans on these shows dont listen even when Jalen speaks clearly and with facts. Jalen spot on regards goat, lbj hasn't surpassed a few as he mentioned let alone nowhere near Jordan
Yeah jalen said he’s not discrediting Lebron, but that’s a straight up lie. Ranking players ahead of him that have no business being ahead of him is discrediting him.
MJ had to grow to win a championship. Lebron jumped ship
Cavs are a dud franchise
@@danieldeering860 so was the bulls when Jordan got there. Jordan didn't jump ship he went to the gym and got stronger. Everyone needs help but if you moving around it's no good
@Real Is Real;MJ didn't grow,he held the League HOSTAGE by threatening to RETIRE in the interview after the 1990 Game 7 Eastern Conference finals ABUSE at Detroits hands!! A WEEK later David Stern outlawed hand checks and zone defenses,then ADDED a penalty for playing tight defense on prolific scorers,called a "BLOCKING" foul!! Jordan knew the money he brought to the League would prompt rule changes where defenses are LIMITED in what they could do to stop scorers. All for the MONEY!! Fair-play went out with Moses Malone and Dr.J!!
@@SuperDetroit9 thank you
Agree!!!
When you're having to constantly make excuses for one player while the other one hardly has any faults on the resume, then it's quite obvious who is the GOAT while the other is media fabricated. Good for coffee talk. All it is really.
That’s a fact
Right!! That's always i say! Two great players! Of course their resume are good.. it's the flaws we're gotta look for.
What you mean no excuses? WHY DIDN'T JORDAN EVER WIN ANYTHING WITHOUT PIPPEN OR JACKSON? Ever. I mean even after he came back from retirement he STILL couldn't win.
MJ also had so many faults and the same things we accuse LeBron of we can access MJ of similar things. Look at the relationship between management and the players. My question is why are people so biased when talking about MJ? I'm MJ fan but Jesus MJ played golf with opponents the day before a playoff game? LeBron would've been buried if he had done that and lost the game. MJ was a bad leader but great player and we don't have to lie to make him perfect.
Regardless of what kind of people they are Jordan fans pretend like he just played 6 seasons and left. The years before 91 and Wizard years count too. LeBron is in the MVP conversation and playing for the #1 seed (in “tougher” West) in year 17.
Steve Kerr, can anyone tell me what team he played before Bulls? Jordan made Kerr a household name, and then Kerr became GM, now head coach for Warriors; without MJ, there is no Kerr, and no Warriors dynasty
MJ kept a running tally of all the centers in the league that he DUNKED on! Come on! His competitiveness was unbelievable! He made it his business to let the league know he's here!
I just came back in my time machine from the year 2073 and Michael air Jordan remains the great to ever play the game.
How much is the MJ rookie card PSA10 if u remember? 🤔
“Just because Jordan’s leadership won the bulls two 3 peats doesn’t mean he’s a good leader”. This was an actual quote guys, this is what he said 🤦♂️
Hahaha isn't it hilarious. All these idiots are so threatened. They can't stand it.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaching!
They're the same guys who blame Kyrie's ''leadership'' when Boston/Brooklyn is losing lol
Critically Thought That’s why you can’t take these dudes seriously, logic escapes them.
Jordan = Forrest Gump
I love Jalen Rose!! Cuts to the point of the conversation and is extremely clear about his qualifiers!!
Yeah one of the that speak sense and facts without getting overly emotional, whereas the other 2 are obsessed with lbj
Jalen gave the most educated answer to this GOAT talk.
@brian green because they're desperate. As always. :-)
no its because you got David Stern homeboys in office pushing the agenda because thats their puppet for life and jordan owes them his life because they murdered a guy for him who wanted to kill him because of a bet. jordan allowed two teenagers falsely accused to go to jail for something they set them up for to clean up jordan mess. NO NO NO NO DAT SELLOUT IS NEVER THE GOAT
@@whoeverknew5607 : Ooooh, sounds like a person who got away from a criminal charge and now can be charged civily. Interesting!
Most of mjs peers and before & after he played basketball recognized him acknowledge and respected him and he never proclaim himself as the one nor ask for respect. His ferrocious competitive fire in the basketball court and the way he talks to the media and how he handle himself outside the court made him as the goat.
Jay Williams espns don lemon
Nah, that's disrespectful to Don Lemon.
Comment of the year
His tone of voice throws me off, like he’s hitting on girl or something. Just doesn’t belong on sports tv
He's salty because he came to Chicago and we gave him no love! He had to walk pass a Statue of the GOAT every time he played at home! He's bitter!
Maurice Martin I’m stealing this bro!!
Someone make MJ a machine that turns him back into his 20s or even 30s and let him back into the league again.
He'd average 40
TYRESE MOORE nailed it
Pan Desheng If only..... IF ONLY....
It would be 60 points per night
Don't forget, the other team's players must have fouled all out
Let's also remember that Jordan has NEVER said he's the GOAT (unlike some other people). Everyone else says it for him 🙌
Mike stayed with Chicago. Each year getting to know teammates. Made himself better each year and pushed his teammates to become better. Mike led by example. Everyone wanted to become better BECAUSE of Mike AND they wanted his approval
Exactly. Even players fro opposing teams (based on interviews) say that they either have sleepless night before playing chicago and they UP their game because they are playing Jordan.
"Why you guys discuss the GOAT?"
- Dennis Rodman
Paul Arsenal wiser words never spoken
"Dennis Rodman.... Wazz Up!? 😎🤠" - Dennis Rodman (TLD)
Still can’t get why people compare Lebron to MJ smh!
MJ the best to ever play the game
I'd take lebron all day
I think MJ is the goat, but Lebron is the mvp of all time
Yep MJ was the best.
Miles Williams You can count on MJ to win the game every time without doubt. You can’t say the same about LeBron. Sorry it’s the truth.
MJ is simple the best! Better than all the rest! Thats sounds familiar? I think it was in a song or something?
Nothing but Facts by Jalen.
the list of players he thinks are better than LBJ are debatable though
@@brettcarter3347 it is but doesn't mean he loses that debate
No one is answering Magic or Russell when asked who the GOAT is. 90%+ are going to saying Jordan or Lebron, while a handful say Kareem.
Adem Leadbetter nah he was out of line saying magic and bill are better than him. Kareem is very debatable too
BL C They aren’t.
MJ elevated basketball to another level like probably no one else
That's whey they have the enormous salaries today. That "chit" came from the Jordan era.
Jalen is NOT "discrediting" Lebron Swagoo ...he is explaining why he is not the GOAT! That's it! Like Jalen said, "why so emotional?" Smh
because they just cant beat the MJ is better argument on the field, because everything that's measurable on the field MJ is clearly better, so they have to bring out things like leadership or personality etc and try to make a narrative there, just sad.
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Jalen is emotional himself.
Bruh shut tf up
Liu Matt lol facts next it’s gona be how people have died over getting my shoes. Lol nobody has every died over lebrons shoes so he must be the goat. Just stop they look sad because lebron was the goat there would be no debate and we would just move one. People love to credit Tom Brady with the goat status but then find a way to criticize mj. It’s because he did it on the largest stage and never once came off as being arrogant like lebron
Jalen rose: makes valid points other guys: 😳😳😳😳😳
Kobe put up 81 on Jalen he needs to calm down.
Jalen Rose was debating, those other guys were arguing... They pivoted away from Rose’s strong points...
Jalen speaks facts and the truth almost like a prophet at times.
Even after retirement MJ is still a hot topic. That's why he's the GOAT.
Go watch the universe galaxy.
no its because you got David Stern homeboys in office pushing the agenda because thats their puppet for life and jordan owes them his life because they murdered a guy for him who wanted to kill him because of a bet. jordan allowed two teenagers falsely accused to go to jail for something they set them up for to clean up jordan mess. NO NO NO NO DAT SELLOUT IS NEVER THE GOAT
@@whoeverknew5607 Finally somebody speaks the truth. Jordan sold out by sacrificing his father. In return he's worshiped by the masses.
@@whoeverknew5607get some help
ACC fan here. BIG 10 Michigan Jalen Rose is the most intelligent spokesperson on Sports T.V. He has the experience to back up everything he say's. Jalen even expresses his thoughts like a professional announcer. He should have his own show because the man is very knowledgeable in whatever the dialogue is. Mr. Rose thank you for your professionalism!!!
Jay Williams is such a clown.
"Leaders don't win championships"
- Jay Williams....
Jay will is cool at times and then there's times like these wen u just wanna smack the sense in em lol
Ikr I mean is Bill Laimbeer his puppet master?!
Hunter I agree straight cornball, please ESPN get him off show!
J🌹 speaking the truth!!!
THANK YOU JALEN! People sleeeeep on Kareem man. Dude is easily #2 some can argue #1 on the GOAT conversation. Russell, Magic, Wilt... c'mon. Even Kobe is arguably greater than LeBron.
That's only because Kareem played a trillion games lol
@Aswan Aswan I dont understand why these clowns keep saying lebron vs Mj it should be Kobe vs MJ Kobe is the only player that can beat jordan 1 on 1 lebron doesnt even stand a chance
THE DARK LORD Longevity is key also
I agree.
MJ = Ali
LeBron = Klitschko (either one of them)
It's as simple as that
Nah.
Mj = sugar Ray Robinson + Ali + sugar Ray Leonard + Duran + mayweather
@@michaelkirschner6009 stop it you're delusional
LeBron has 6 losses in the NBA Finals. 5 of those losses, his team was the favorite. Jordan NEVER loss in the playoffs as the favorite.
ouch!
I thought lebron could become the greatest ever until I saw him quit against the Mavs in the finals. He was still a stat monster for the series but he quit & the video of him standing around proves it. It was stunning to watch. He’s given up multiple times in his career in series.
Is he the most physically talented all-around player of all time? Probably.
But the greatest player? No.
What? Name the five losses where he was the favourite.
Jordan never went to a game 7 in the finals. Game over
Jordan lead one team with his leadership to 6 championships. Where's the argument?
And would've had 8 in a row possibly if he didn't leave the game. Jordan is the GOAT no argument like you said. Signed - A Knicks fan.
Eric Hall nah LeBron tha goat. i like mj tho
@@driplord7286 Chris LeBron is great I agree with you (Top 5), but just watch the film, it's been proven MJ is the GOAT.
Uncle BobMarley that wasn’t funny. He’s the goat because he as 10 final appearances and is about to win his 4 ring. has the most all nba teams of all time. 1 in playoff points.
1. in steals in playoffs. 2. in triple doubles. He also has the most games win in the playoffs and he hadn’t even played the most playoff games. He’s also the first person to average a triple double in the finals and lead both teams in every major caterogory in the finals. he is also 3rd in all time assists in the playoffs. 2 in 3 pointers made. he’s number 2 in all time points in the finals, also 2 in all time 3 pointers made in the finals, and number 2 in all time assist in the finals, number 2 in all time steals in the finals 5th in total rebounds in the finals and 7 in total blocks in the finals. honestly this guy is a all around freak! he will most likely surpass kareem in all time points in the pace he is moving in. and the crazy thing is scoring isn’t his best ability. that’s not who he is. is it a big part of it ? yes but it isn’t his biggest move in his bag. it’s his passing and play making iq. when Lebron is on the court in these game with the lakers it’s like he’s coaching to be honest. When he is on the floor most of the assists come from him wither he gets the assist or he makes the play that leads to a pass to assist. and this guy is gonna he the all time leading scorer of all time?? lebron will most likely win finals mvp. making him the first player to win finals mvp on three different teams. this man lebron is the most durable NBA player of all time and the most durable one that is out right now. tom brady is the only one i can think of more durable then him. LeBron being such a all around player makes him my GOAT. if you disagree go ahead. but i will say another thing i don’t want to hear “ LeBron had a cakewalk to the finals” The clippers were severerd the same cake. and just maybe if they actually took this seriously and didn’t load management they could’ve been the 1st seed. it’s not the lakers fault the bucks and Clippers didn’t make it, or the raptors and celtics.
Uncle BobMarley Lebron is also a 4 time mvp. and he got robbed in 2015 finals of Finals mvp
Lebron's "leadership" is passive aggressive BS like tweeting at his teammates publicly instead of talking to them in the locker room. lmaaoo I've seen Bron do some GREAT leadership but also act like a child.
Spot on.
facts
Mannn or diss you to the gm
Major Facts
Big facts.
I am a Huge LeBron fan. He is easily one the top 5 Greatest of all time
But, he ain’t Jordan and it ain’t even close
Spot on
There you go 👌 respect ✊
Dude it is close omg y’all don’t know basketball Lebron gives u 30+ triple doubles shooting insane percentages in the finals
@@kylinmooney167 what about Magic? Triple doubles in finals with 50% fg. More championships as well. How about Magic first?
john KnowsSports true and well said
Leaders don’t walk off the court with 5 minutes left period.
MJ must have hurt Jay's feelings at some point of time for Jay to be disrespecting the GOAT like how he has been
Gerald Ohan he never respected Mike. When Mike retired, no other players use Mike old locker. Jay got drafted to the Bulls and he took the locker.
@@zhameljackson7447 wow
Maybe it's because Jay lost all 3 games to Michael in 2002-03, and went 2-22 from the field in those three...
Jay Williams is a Duke boy. Jordan is a Carolina man. That's why he says these things. Jordan hurt Shannon Sharpe's feelings gambling and that's his reason for his Goat argument. Nick Wright just wants to be with LeBron. That's his reasoning. Lol.😜😅😀😁😂😀😃😄😆😅😂😁🤩😋
Watch the universe galaxy
That was the players MJ got. He can’t trade them for stars or form superteams to win
When mj left bulls were a 55 win team. Keep up that narrative tho. They were stacked
@@chiefsosa1574 thanks to mainly MJ. do research MJ demanded the best from them and had them working out like crazy, took Pippen who wasnt even CLOSE to what he was once MJ took him under his wing and brought him to his 5am practices, 1 on 1 practicing etc. The audacity to throw any kind of shade at MJ who set the table for ALL these stars nowadays is ridiculous
@@chiefsosa1574 answer this did he(Michael Jordan) ever trade a teammate to get another super star?
Chief Sosa that’s just facts one guy trade his guys or just form superteams to win. When the other one had to will his teammates into greatness. MJ never played with a player that avg 20 pts in career. So yeah, you can keep your narrative going
Chief Sosa then the next szn b4 Mj came back the bulls were only 3 games over 500 and then when he came back they went 13-4. That first year without him they had a lot to prove plus they still had Horace, Bj Armstrong and added kukoc, Kerr, And longley who became role players for the next three point
Lebron's leadership is leave when the ship gets rocky.
D.P. OL' RACE Facts. Once he quit on Cleveland and had to join D Wade to learn how win automatically disqualified him.
D.P. OL' RACE and replace his teammates
@@salvadorperez9980 You sound stupid for that. Lebron left bc he needed to. He played with scrubs for 7 yrs. If he had not left, then the Cavs wouldve never got Kyrie 1st round. Plus whats wrong with learning how to win and what it takes to win when you dont have the blueprint around you. Jordan had that since College. Lebron had to learn from rookie coaches and Gms. Lol. His staff would not get him help his first 7 yrs. No one wanted to play with Cleveland or live in Cleveland. So he had to go. Hes better for it as well.
@@pmontyjaaaymes488 This excuse is lame. it's like saying 'he didn't like himself'. I mean it was a decision that he had to make and it's part of himself. Afterall, he benefited from it right? he just surpassed MJ on the all time scoring list. So why cry about not going through college and all that stuff. had he not played early in the NBA, he would still have been chasing MJ on the scoring list. So which is which? I don't think Lebron will acquire MJ's grip on leadership. The Last Dance shows it. I don't think Lebron could stand Dennis Rodman and all the drama that menaced the Bulls.. And how MJ convinced Pippen to stay despite how the latter was underpaid and wanted to be traded.... THAT IS LEADERSHIP. MJ might even have secretly given Pippen out some of his paycheck--just surmising. Btw, Have you watched the last dance? Do you think Lebron fanboys would still cry about the switch argument? hahaha. I don't know what Nick Wright would have to say. And that ..... Colin The HErd? He just switched sides.
Just a thought, Lebron left DWade and Bosh when they could still have won in MIami. The Bulls were 1-2 as the oldest team when they last 3peated. Imagine that! Jordan held them for history! Lebron was busy leaving because nobody could pacify his tantrums!
pmonty jaaaymes lmfaoo you’re funny
They Changed the subject real quick when Jalen reminded Them he had to go to miami to learn.
ALL FACTS! Salute Jalen
"Different stroke for different folk?" whacchu talking about willis?
What chu talkin about J Williams.. lol he was the sensitive guy of his era.. stop yelling at me MJ.. lol
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I’m Glad Jalen Acknowledged Other Great Players That Are Actually Better Than LeBron.
Jeremy Stevens yeah but he left out Bird and Kobe lol
@@jonathanoverfelt6328 lol Bird and Kobe aren't better than Lebron. Especially Bird.
lol
Cody Hammond Um, yes they are. How can you not see it?
@@MasterKeyMagic only kids think lebron is the greatest
Magic is my favorite but larry bird always gets underated.
Larry said Jordan was a God disguised as Michael Jordan.
Magic WAS my favorite too. Now it's KOBE. But I have BIRD>MAGIC.
Just a bunch of emotional dudes mad LeBron isn't as good as Jordan
TheUndefeatedOfTheEast fax
Cos he’s better
@@realguru4924 saying that is like saying that Magic Johnson's son likes women....just ain't true.
Jason Carson aye bro, I respect your opinion but I think Lebron would dominate any era. I believe if he played on a team and efficient as Michael Jordans Bulls he would currently have multiple championships. 🤷🏿♂️
Better basketball player
Jordan: I want you to play at your highest level
LeBron: I'm going to South Beach
Annnddd...Trade away Wigging, Ball, Ingram, Hart, and a host of other moves so I have the right pieces around me.
I am a Lebron fan and love his dominance, power, passing, dunking, but just can't have him above Jordan..the winning in the finals matters
The losing in first round is matter too you should be fair
Bill Russell > Jordan
XxANMxX ‘ nah. His competition was minimal. I know it’s not his fault but you have to factor that
Linda Is pretty so MJ lost in the first round his first couple years... who did he play against? Played against great teams. Lebron didn’t even play in playoffs his first couple years lol.
@@rochambeau2111 so why did Lebron lose to a far worse team than his? Remember Dallas Mavericks? Meltdown should be factored too!
Wait one dam minute. I've told you I've seen all the great being 71 years old.
Michael Jordan is the most exciting player ever period.
Chuck Daly said he's so good he embarrassing the league.
Lebron hasn’t even passed Tim Duncan yet... tfo with Lebron
Manu El-Ocho seriously
@@ADifferentVibe yep
True. Duncan is 2-1 versus Lebron. One sweep and one by record margin. That old Spurs team had no business beating that stacked Heat team. Duncan was 37, Parker 32, Manu 37, Kawhi 22. Plus had a more consistent career as far as making the playoffs and being contenders & doing it w/o two stars like Lebron. Lebron has missed the playoffs 4 times I believe.
That to without switching teams for championships
This such a stupid take. Duncan was blessed to be apart of great management and a winning culture (won a title in his sophomore season). If Duncan and Lebron swapped paths then obviously the odds would be in Lebron's favor. Stop acting like Duncan has done more for the game than Lebron.
Let me explain to americans: Michael Jordan His Royal Airness captured the attention of the entire world i could not look away i didnt even played basketball as a latin i played and loved soccer i remember beeing with my friends playing soccer looking at the watch just to leave in time to go and watch every game of the post season it was the same for everybody next day we will talk about everything he did they almost got him but how like in all great movies at the end he did it he overcame great odds great rivals and he gave the movie moments everynight he didnt always win but you knew that if he was playing it was going to happen What --> it was going to happen: something awsome something cool something smooth something magical something we never seen before and at the end it was going to be that number 23 suspended in the air timelessly cutting trough space and time forever and we never saw anything like that again not like him and im not talking basketball im talking every sport stop trying to make this thing a debate it is not not even close
soccer? there is no such thing as soccer... Its called football (as like 99% of the world calls it - and everyone that loves it calls it), any other football is a stolen name.
Nailed it.
Man, you spoke like the best commentator ever. You said it with passion and you made it feel like I was reliving the pass. Great explanation. Let just stop bringing this conversation up. Let MJ be the God he is in the basketball world. Thanks bro. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
@@T0ffik1 you are right but like i said i was explaining to americans and thats how they call it...
Facts . Don’t even explain yourself more . U exactly right
Jalen is always Honest 💯
MJ GOAT! But always amazing how Larry Bird gets completely forgotten about when going through the other names on the list following behind and certainly when the term leadership is mentioned!
Only 3 titles with a great supporting cast. So-so defender. Hampered by that back injury and therefore a relatively few peak years.
I think Larry Bird was better than Magic
Come on I’ve never seen lebron get in someone’s face when the opponent did something to one of his teammates. MJ did that for his teammates during battles to anyone and that let his team know he had they’re back and will go to war for them, that’s leadership. Lebron walks away from things like that.
Thank you for having common sense
Nah bro lechoke flops instead of confronting them....if he does he picks on the weaker guys...
@@SuperBlueangel17 nah bro Lebum would call the refs to kick an audience out because they think he sucks (instead of proving that he doesn’t) 😂
Basically you’re saying LeBron didn’t have anger issues and MJ did.
What have these guys been smoking?? MJ is the GOAT....PERIOD!!! ABSOLUTELY NO DEBATE SHOULD BE TAKING PLACE ANYWHERE
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Preach! MJ GOAT all day every day!
@@furiesforums4862(Coulicool
really leadership? you dont even know when hes leaving or trade you.
Pat Riley retired Jordan's #23. And said "no Miami player will ever wear #23 again".
100 years from now they still gonna be comparing Jordan with some future kid, and they won't even mention the rest
There might be the next.... Usually always is, but LeBron ain't it folks.
I love Bron, big fan since 2000, back when he was in school. He is the second greatest player ever. MJ is the real and only GOAT. MJ dominance, consistency and killer mentality was in another level.
I'm a LeBron and Jordan fan as well. I don't understand why so many people feel the need to have to pick one over the other.
Ikr
Kareem #2
I’ll take Kobe second all day long
@@peacetalk3645 ok
Jay Williams is tripping with this all out nonsense.
J-will is a Lequeen cheer leader! Lol
It's personal with Jay. He was drafted in Chicago and MJ played with the Wizards at that time. MJ probably trashed talked him when they played against each other.
J Rose just killed everybody with the James going to Heat to learn how to win!!!
LBJ was not the leader when he left cavs to get a title .. he was the Durant there
Cavs had their chances but they dont get the pieces ...what do you expect him to do?the owner dont want to spend his money...the only wrong thing he does is the decision...but he return and finally deliver his promise...bitter sweet
This generation has lowered the criteria for greatness. Lebron even knows he's no Mike. He's NOT even better Tim Duncan or Kobe.
I fully agree. Kobe better than LeBron . Jordan is better than both.
Replace LeBron with Duncan or Kobe in 2006-2007. They're not getting to the Finals.
@@TheGrandChieftain If we go back and look. Tim Duncan was a system player. Kobe would be interesting on that team. I would think Kobe could lead them to the finals. He might even steal a game and get a gentleman's sweep.
TheGrandChieftain if Kobe played in da east he would went to the finals just as much as Lebron
TheGrandChieftain Replace Duncan with Lebron in their 5 Spurs title teams and they don’t win all 5.
Lebron, a good leader. The same guy who gives up on his team every couple of years. And pushes all the blame on his teammates. What a joke
Jordan is the best end of conversation.
Thank you Jalen for making the point that Lebron still has to pass other great players other than MJ. Lebron is a phenomenal athlete and he has such amazing control over a game... a 6' 8' 260 pound point-power forward I mean he is amazing. But he has gone missing in big games; that's the problem.
Mark Anthony 2nd greatest small forward.
@Mark Anthony so you're telling me he's better than the all time leading scorer with 6 rings?
Thats not even MJ.
They got jay will on the show because even dummies need representation.
6 for 6 vs 3 for 9
What is there to talk about?
BETTER ALL AROUND PLAYER ......NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT
@Marcus Schultz 11 rings in a league with 8 teams 😂 u BIG Dummy..goats win more than they lose! U have terrible standards marcus
@Marcus Schultz in a 8 team league
That reaching the finals 9 times is better than 6 times?!
@@mr.r1622 LeBron is such a better all around player he averages 1.2 more assists and 2.1 more rebounds AND LOSES MORE. Winning > empty stats.
Jalen always out here fighting the good fight.
The late Kobe Bryant was the next best thing to Jordan
The disrespect to Kobe is real!! Kobe vs Mj is the real debate!
Kobe is and will be the king off LA... And will always be better than laqueen
Yup I think Kobe's career was better then Lebron's too. The day they got Pau Gasol I told my buddy he's going to win another championship. I knew what lvl Kobe was playing at back then, him and Jordan only needed one other star to dominate the league.
Khue Lor I think Kobe is better than Lebron but MJ is greater than all.
I agree but I think magic is better then lebron as well ( wait nvm they talk about it in the video)
When MJ gets passed by anyone as the GOAT, there would be no need for debate, cause we'll all know.
Some player could literally win 10 out of 15 in the course of 20 years and people would still say MJ is better. Lol stupid comment
Octopus 8 Some player can go 3-6 in the Finals and we still will say MJ is better. Don’t get mad at facts!
6 NBA finals mvps are needed
@@TruStory97 got pimped slapped by Jason Terry
@@octopus8420 i got cramps...
Why are we still comparing MJ with other NBA players till now? Because, definitely, he is the GOAT.
Because everybody want to be like mike but nobody can
@@javiercruz1630 bbbb
Bill Russell 11 rings. STFU kids.
Cause people know MJ23 is the ultimate standard and folks who didn't grow up in that era want their own Goat...so they trying to make one with LeBron. LeBron has to first beat Tom Brady.
MICHAEL Jordan is the one and only G.O.A.T
They’re saying Lebrons leadership skill does that include walking off after playoff eliminations without showing good sportsmanship?? What about Leaving a Cleveland team to go to Miami or Sitting separate from a team when he was just on the Lakers? Or how about not Encouraging J.R. Smith when he made a mistake in the playoffs is that Leadership??
Heres my opinion ..l.. ..l..
Why would he encourage J.R.?? Lol... J.R. is a grown man. He shouldve known the time on the clock. Thats on J.R. Lebron is not a leader?? Then why is it that every player thats played with him, looks up to him. Why dont you go ask the Bad Boy Pistons part2 about that. Ask the Warriors. They needed KD. 73-9 team needed another Super star in KD. They couldnt beat LBJ after losing that 3-1 lead. They knew it was over if they didnt get a guy like KD. Yall can say what you want but Jordan wasnt playing against 7footers who could step out and shoot the 3. 7foot hybrids who could run the court with him. Plus he drove the ball against a bunch of slow guards in the 90s. Johns stockton, Greg Elobe. Byron Russell guarded him ok and so did G Payton. 90s was physical yes. But that was some fouling as b.s. back in the 90s. Then say the league is soft bc they call a foul a foul? Could Jordan guard without hand checking in todays game?
pmonty jaaaymes - I’m with you. He actually elongated JR’s career when no other team wanted a trade with NY. He basically told Cleveland organization to bring him and Shumpert. JR has attitude issues other teams in the league are not willing to deal with. He owes LeBron big time
I think these are the main reasons why you can't just automatically throw LeBron up there as GOAT. Like, I've never seen/heard of a GOAT type player act like that before. Quitting on the team? Nah. Huge L
What about shooting a left handed free throw in an elimination game.
Jalen has 81 reasons to have Kobe Bean on his Mount Rushmore
Najib Ahmed that commercial with jalen and Kobe is gold.
One game does not make a career.
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Lebron's leadership? Ask Chuck (Barkley)
"He quit!"
Brand Marikina saya the guy about a player who quit NBA for a year and more(
Preach
Lu Aquino he left to honor his dad, and then came right back...how is that quitting?
@@gammabootyhairs is it quitting no matter wat , lebron is better in around game while mj is better in scoring
Jarvis Thompson it’s quitting because he literally quit...you coming up with a reason why he quit doesn’t make it not quitting lol
Like Jalen asked... when did Labron even pass Magic!?