Super helpful content here. The INTP starts with logic and makes abstractions whereas the INTJ starts with abstractions and uses logic to achieve their abstract visions. Thanks for sharing.
@leif viking Asura didn't say Einstein was more intelligent than Tesla so why are you insinuating he was wrong? Strawman aside, importance is "obviously" subjective, and intelligence-quantifying is up for debate as well. Why always the pissing contest between young INTJs and INTPs over who is smarter? Does it really matter on the whole? At the end of the day, you are neither Tesla nor Einstein. I'd rather see people claim their own accomplishments than try to rest on the laurels of others with whom they think they have something in common. Newton was brilliant but he also valued humility and said if he had seen further it was only because he had stood on the shoulders of giants. Also, WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? DO YOU REALIZE WHEN YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPS IT MAKES YOU SEEM LIKE A RAVING LUNATIC?
@@tshaolin971 Einstein saying Tesla was smarter demonstrates Einstein's humility (and Fe) rather than proving Tesla was _actually_ smarter. Besides, if you want to go down that road and entertain that possibility, wouldn't the smarter of the two be the most competent judge of intelligence? Furthermore, in light of Dunning-Kruger effect, it is statistically more likely for the person who self-assesses as less-competent to be more competent, and the person who identifies themselves as smarter to be less so. Whether Tesla was more intelligent than Einstein may or may not be true. My point was that it doesn't really matter and has no bearing or relevant impact on our lives.
As an INTJ I have noticed that about myself regarding knowledge only being temporary and tendency to discard it after its done being used so I have made sure as I learn to record what I have learned in detail so if I have to go back and use the information again I would not have to relearn it. Its particularly important with very large technical projects.
@@zenunim I have these elaborate photoshop collages which contain notes, captured information from websites, photographs, scaned document and I use lots of photoshop tools like arrrows, colors etc and anything I can think of which connect all the information. If I ever need to go back for the information I have a record of all the information and how it all relates so I can more easily get back into that subject without having to redo all the research. It may seem time consuming but the act of putting the collage together also helps you learn the subject.
Yeah. I have no clue which one I am and it's stressing me out. I agree with a little bit of both and I've taken the test 8 times to find out. My results have been 4 for INTP and 4 for INTJ.
you can just boil it down to your main and secondary functions. go look for the cognitive functions and what they are and pick what you agree the most as your main function. then pick the 2nd most that you agree on and that will be your secondary function. then find what type has those 2 functions and settle on that as your type.
You don't have to define your personality around either though. Whatever you can identify as your functions and way of thinking is, is your personality. This is just a broad description. I find myself both an intp and an intj too.
While we often treat each type as a discrete category each component (like P vs J) is actually more of a continuum with P at one end and J at the other. Most people will fall more to one side than the other, but its quite possible and valid for you to be in the middle of that continuum. In fact, when you take the MBTI there is a numerical value assigned to each trait so that you can see how strongly you identify with that component.
I'd also add that while both types like a degree of external order, INTJs prioritise this far more than the INTP, who conversely is more concerned with the logical order of their internal world. The former type is also hyper specific and tends to manifest all these ideas in reality like you mention, whereas the INTP seems to enjoy pursuing a vast amount of things at any one time and is as you say more willing to deconstruct and reconstruct their own understanding. What's your opinion on different forms of intelligence, and have you ever tried placing this within a Jungian continuum? Often the INTJ exhibits what is in my mind a radically different 'kind' of intelligence than the INTP, even within the confines of intellectualism. I absolutely agree with the INTJ and INFJ having similar levels of detachment! Great stuff as usual.
Nice. Can you talk a little more about how intj’s and intp’s function in stressed situations? And possibly how they could get out of those blockade loops?
Do any other teenage INTPs (and probably INTJs too) find school boring and silly but love to pursue their own interests and almost obsessively learn their own thing out of school (or multiple things maybe in case of INTPS), gain lots of knowledge and progress in that, and prefer to be thought of as smart in regards to that while not really caring if they don't get top grades? Eg creative writing, online business, language learning, or just researching random areas of interest online! (And questioning the illogical school system!)
I guess these types would tend to exhibit such tendencies (though I'd like to point out that any other type could also do the same). In my case I find that it's my ENXP friends who are most likely to pick up many random skills outside the school curriculum. I roughly remember I had an ENTP classmate who was teaching me how to write a message in braille in the middle of math class (cuz we already had some knowledge of the topic and we were bored). In another class, ENFP sitting beside me was sharing about anime and politics (at that time I couldn't care less about American politics so I was awed by how much they knew). Needless to say we got called out by our teachers, but without them I think school would be much less interesting.
Wow now i'm really confused! It feels like in some i am intj and in some i am intp and in some both! Can someone show me how to find out wich one am i? Give me advise?
I like to think that INTJ's knowledage absorbtion works like computer RAM (Random access memory). The memory is rapidly filled with data, opened applications etc and then completely discarded from memory freeing up the memory and allowing the memory to be rapidly filled again. I have noticed this on myself when learning things. Very high obsessive drive towards specific topic and then discard 95% of that knowledage and keep 5% that yielded the best results and allowed me to accomplish what I want. This made me feel stupid many times because I didn't seem to remember things, but instead had "experience" and reference points to the lost knowledage to relearn it again if needed. Also I constantly envision ideas, but struggle a lot developing details for those ideas and as a result I dismiss the ideas altogether as useless because of that. I started to think that these things are some sort of defects of mine, but listening to this video gave me insight that not only there is a high probability I'm an INTJ, but also validated the way I think. I really enjoyed this video and organic explanation of these two types. Thanks Asura, subbed.
I think the primary difference to seperate the two is to pay attention to their intuitions. Jung said Ne, while floaty and abstract, still relies on present and past concretized data to form a vision or idea. Basically, connecting various objects together in the outside world to form a specific concrete impression of the "reality" of the object. These personal impressions are often clung to not because its all encompassing or symbolic of a greater future or vision, but because its smaller and more grounded. Si is the grounding force of any NeSi type, they view memories and impressions are paramount, as something to be repeated into the near future. In short, Ne takes conceptual, obscured outside data to form a detailed reality seperate from external tampering. This can be in the form of a novel lifestyle, or even in the creation of storjes or worlds for the sake of it. Because of this, NeSi is more timeless and understandable when academically viewing it. It's its own little thing seperate of the happenings and tends of the outside world. An Ne dom, despite its tendancy to drift off into fantasy, will still be linked to happenings in a vague, detached way. If Si doms produce HIGHLY detailed visions and impressions of factual objects and happenings, Ne turns these already subjective images and videos into roarshach blotches of these happenings and facts. Si doms take photographs of literal events, methodically placing them into a filing cabinent or library of knowledge. Ne doms, on the other hand, do the same thing, but afterwards, they alter and color-shift the image into an unrecognizable form until it is either deleted or tossed aside into a pile of scattered paper. Wheras NiSe, from my observation, is highly opposed to this sort of thinking. Ni forms a vision detached from reality, yet oddly enough, encompassing reality itself. NiSe is more intesested in reality outside of themselves insofar as they pay attention to the concrete moment. They observe happenings amd details in their enviornment directly and unbiased to form a biased, subjective philosophy or symbol around it. Ni needs external happenings and details to form its symbols, but unlike Ne, who directly harvests and sucks in ideas, Ni sucks in happenings and literal events for inspiration, hence its direct, albiet unconcious, connection to reality depending on its placement in the stack. So, an xSxP will view reality itself as all there is, yet it will be aware that an underlying symbolic realoty exists underneath the surface to tamper with, its just trivial and meaningless compared to reality. The Ni dom generally tends to view its symbols as reality, and the external world of literal events as meaningless or subservient to these grand futures. "A sea of fruitless fantasies," if you will.
I was wondering if someone more knowledgeable could help me figure out if I an an INTJ or INTP. When I first learned about the Myers Briggs system, I was sure I was an INTJ I read a lot about them and their tendencies and trusted that the 16 personalities test was all knowing (lol). But now that I’ve looked into it a little more and watched some videos, I’m not so sure. I know I am definitely introverted, being situations with new people or large groups is exhausting for me. I am a very studious student, and I’m the annoying kid that raises there hand for literally every question, (we are aware we’re annoying, trust me). I would say I’m not an emotionally driven person, but I do have outbursts of emotions. As a perfectionist, if I don’t think I’ve gotten an answer right, or don’t know what to do on a quiz or test, it triggers an over dramatic response in me.... its pretty pathetic. I also seek to understand not only how to do something, but why it is the way it is. For example in math, I become frustrated if I learn a topic and don’t understand why it happens that way. I feel like I’m going to make mistakes If I don’t understand the fundamental framework behind things. I am also a fairly creative person. I draw a lot, and enjoy doing hyperrealism from references. I am not good at making original art, but I can copy someone’s pet from a photo well enough to sell them, (I do lol). Is this information useful for typing, or is there anything else that would be helpful? I know one youtube comment won’t definitively determine my type, but I just wanted some insight from someone other than myself due to biases and an attachment to the INTJ struggle lol.
From what you've written it definitely sounds like you're an INTP. However, it's completely normal and pretty common for people to toe the line between types. I, for example, am mostly an INTJ, but have a little bit of an INTP inside, especially with my attention to detail combined with seeing the whole picture. It's really no big deal if you haven't completely figured yourself out. You'll get there
I acted like this in school as well. I was always the teacher's pet. However, I know I'm INTJ more so because of their negative qualities. It is very hard for me to interact with people. INTJs have the iconic death stare when they're busy in their inner world. People have to repeat themselves many times before my mind can snap back to reality and process what they said for me to respond. INTP, from what I've seen, don't do this at all. Also, I've been addicted to sensory stimulation one too many times in my life.
Inxj here, and I relate to that "raising my hands right here right now, let's get over with it teacher" part. What you wrote drew a smile on my face. Thank you ♦️
INTJ woman here with an INTP male co-worker. When we discuss General knowledge, we are complimentary like our brains are connected. But when we are coding/programming together, we butt heads like two bulls stuck in a narrow corridor. That said, we get ANY job done much faster and more efficiently than anyone ever could. :)
This is making me a bit frustrated because I just can’t figure out if I’m an INTP or INTJ 😂 I can relate to both pretty much equally and I’ve gotten both results on the test. but, for the perceiving/judging part, it came really close every time I do the test. The last time I took the test it’s 52% judging and 48% perceiving.... 😐
Thanks for making it clear again that i‘m an INTP. Lately i just felt a lot goal oriented and i‘m dressing less like i picked my clothes from the trash. But still INTP 🤷🏼♀️
The interesting fact about Introverted Intuition is that it works unconsciously. So, even if we drop what we have learned, it remains in the subconscious - and if we ponder about a problem, a solution using all that hidden knowledge pops out of nowhere - and that can be the application of a principle we have learned long time ago in a complete different context. But about the details - I don't know. As a method of approaching a new field (as INTJ), that is true: First try to work out how the big picture works and from there follow the lines of the details. But in general, I am an Improver: If I handle something, I quickly see which details aren't satisfying and need improvement, and then I want (and do) fix these. As a result, everything I make is very much perfect on all the details, but that may be also depending on me being an Enneagram five - one. And about the suppressed functions: I don't think that is the right name for it. In contrary you can see them obviously as they are named: INTPs have Extroverted Feeling and as result, they express their feelings to the outer world. INTJs have Extroverted Sensing and at least for me, that means manually interacting with the world, like crafting the things I have thought of or doing sports and such. And because the types lack the other types' function, INTJs Expression of Feelings is stone-cold and INTPs struggle with physically interacting with their environment.
INTJ like to see the lists.. Since we are more interested in ideas and skip the details. Which is why I barely like to watch videos without timestamps.
Well we like to see the big ideas quickly to get to the point to see if it's worth our time. Skip the details until we find something worthwhile. If it is worth our time then we can worry about the details. Although that being said we probably won't care how hard or how much we need to sacrifice to do it once we commit.
The bummer of being INTJ is that as trail blazers seems like they have to take on all the risks of trying to make their dreams a reality and not being good at interacting with reality that makes that really hard to do.
Amazing video and very informative. This video makes it even easier for me to be absolutely sure I'm an NiTeFiSe :) I also love you mentioning the sacrifices we are able to make in order to persue a greater purpose. Thank you!
Really Spot on the Fact that, INTJ doesn't really care you are wrong, INTJ care Much Much More if you are the Obstacle. Because If you are the Obstacle, I will need to re-adjust my thinking, and to consider if I should Ignore you, Climb Over you, Or Simply Kick you Aside.
When you said INTJs get obsessive about a topic, and don't remember anything about it when it's no longer needed, I was like, now everything makes sense. I thought it was just me, who becomes an expert in something in a month, and them loses all the interest, along with all the knowledge about it, when this particular thing is not useful anymore in order to achieve my goals.
I never had the doubt that I'm one way or another. I've known that I'm an INTP even before I took the test. I know an INTJ personally and this discussion is on point.
@Nok Ko Yeah that's probably the whole point. But as you said, who cares right? But the act of replying contradicts your words. You could just be indifferent about it.
@Nok Ko Sure but you can't disregard the possibility that there are others who just use it to feel a sense of belonging-ness. Besides, even if some use it to flatter themselves, it doesn't sound so bad. It's their way of living or coping. You can't impose on that.
INTP here. Very good summary and accurate, at least for me. Internal logical structure based on my database of knowledge. Plenitude of ideas that never materialise and also a multitude of interests such as MBTI being one while I'm also learning to code and reading political philosophy texts. Like debating but my function to turn text to speech isn't very good so I'm not verbally articulate despite having a very complex internal conversational system. Definitely relate to emotional outbursts in my teenage year. Often feel disconnected from my emotion and physical being. Like I'm a 'soul' in an avatar, often referring to my physical body as a vessel, 'This body needs food'.
Pick a topic, deep dive, oh I found my pearl, on to the next oyster field..... Your description of this pattern is 100% me. Do I remember details of the diet I spent six months researching a couple years ago?.... Nooo...... But I remember the gist of how it works, that's the important part, right?? 😅
Your right, my brother and I reach the same information yet have starkly different answers and approaches. And I also agree the intp's like my brother have a higher intellectual potency than myself intj.
I understood the repressed function to be something that you care about, but aren't very good at. Some of what you said about the repressed functions sounds to me like a description of the blind spot. I agree for instance that the INTP is very aware of details in the things they are interested in, but to me it seems like they have trouble being aware of what's actually physically present. The functions they use to deal with the details (Ti and Si) are both introverted and therefore subjective. In my experience, an INTJ, if he wants, can be more physically present with his immediate surroundings, although his knowledge of his interests is indeed generally less detailed. From what I've seen, INTPs do care about the social environment, and are sometimes self-conscious about how bad they know they are at it. But they don't know how late they are and they can't find their glasses (polar Se). The INTJ on the other hand does want to improve his sensory perception. But he can't be bothered to care about the wider social environment.
So insightful. I am a INTJ married to an INTP. I can't tell you how many times I've had a conversation with my husband and he wants to explain some random physics theory to me and I'll listen to him just to make him happy but in the back of my mind I'm thinking "Why are we even wasting time talking about this? Its totally useless information that can serve no practical purpose."
Lol this whole time I’ve thought I was an INTJ because almost everything described me, but now I’m realizing I have a lot of INTP tendencies as well. For example when he talks about emotionally gauging others, I would say I’m extremely good at that. I have that “physic” system going on where I internally pick up on things without knowing and end up compiling them to make a prediction or guess. I also wouldn’t say that I struggle with “being in the moment”. Yes, I would say quite often I’m doing a multitasking thinking process but I’m not really in that day dreaming phase where people have to say my name. I’m aware, but I’m in my own world as well. Any insight? :) Edit: he talks about how both types struggle with stress. And of course, I do both. I lash out due to repressed emotions, but I also notice addicting sensory coping habits that I feel I need to do when I get home from school. Another INTP habit: I love debating and being right... something I need to work on. I do think the reasoning behind this is confirming and testing my internal beliefs and knowledge.
Lol. You sound like the typical INTJ in search for his/her Fi-self, ready to go down to the nitty-gritty until s/he has zeroed in what makes him/her his/her type, specifically. Keep it up! :)
There is a specific online test to determine which type between these two you are more likely to be. www.idrlabs.com/test/intj-or-intp.php I hope it provides you with an acceptable answer.
@@rithrius5384 i did this test, because i was a little unsure about my type. after watching this video, thought i behave a little bit more like an intj, but sometimes i behave like an intp. well... this test shows it too: 53% intj. i think this is the weakness of the 16p-test: some people are on the border of 2 or more types. so sometimes, these people are in a different mood and get a different result.
That's so me. I get obsessed with learning something and then i use it or realise that I cant use it for other reasons and then I just forget it all. I didn't understand that until i learned my type...
So this is the video that made it finally clear to me that i did NOT mistype as an INTJ. INTP clearly has similarities, but when you were talking about the repressed Functions i could not relate to the INTP at all, since reading vibes in a room is kinda my thing. SE on the other hand is totally my repressed function. I can be so detached that i wont notice a person i know walking by cause i am in the middle of daydreaming. But the stereotypical INTJ isnt for me, i am almost always procrastinating, which i think stems from my kinda underdeveloped TE and being in the NIFI Loop atm. It feels like i am not moving at all cause i lack a clear goal and thus motivation. So i think a depressed? INTJ might easily mistype as INTP
Personally, I think it's worth noting that both types (actually anyone in general) can lash out when they've repressed their negative feelings long enough to reach a certain breaking point. After all we're all humans with emotions, right? The best way to differentiate between Fe and Fi, in my humble opinion, would be the reasons behind their anger, and possibly how the anger manifests itself (eg cold vs hot). Great video btw, wish I had discovered this earlier
When you mentioned the we've-reached-our-goal-so-let's-dump-out-our-knowledge-and-move-onto-the-next-goal of INTJs, I was reminded of another of your videos where you mentioned that INTJs tend to organize their living spaces only up to the point where it's organized enough. Do you think these two processes are related?
Ever sense I've done the Personality test, one thought has always crossed my mind. What about autistic people? Now autism is something that plays with the wiring in your head. How does that change them, from a personality stand point? How closely do they follow the type, and how they don't. From the few ones that I have met they seem to have a higher likely hood in being IN-- types. One of them was a fairly close friend (which at that time I had no clue that he was autistic) which I now suspect to be an INTJ. But he didn't fully follow it, he was some weird amalgamation of other personality types. I would like to hear ideas about this, and or odd storys.
I barely eat.. I enjoy the growth of my senses when I starve. Its like super sensing. I can smell food well and how bad the pollution in public. I even thought I smelled like shit at first but it was really just the place.. I don't mean this in a creepy way but I can sometimes distinguish the smell of people I know from a distance.. I think that's how dogs evolved to have strong sense of smell. Their ancestors must have been likely to starve alot in the past which makes them adapt and evolve to have super sense of smell over millions of years.
I’ve taken the test multiple times and gotten both INTP and INTJ. I agree with almost every aspect about the INTJ except the common notion that they don’t procrastinate and would rather follow strict schedules to get things done early. Is this true?
Honestly, I don't know. I'm in the same situation as you - I get both INTP and INTJ as well, though INTJ seems to come out more often. Personally I'm a big procrastinator and don't really like strict rules and schedules (especially when I don't have a goal in mind). I'm mostly leaving a comment behind since I hope that you'll get an actual answer someday :)
The INTP is the quintessential college professor. The INTJ is the strategist and leader. And as an INTJ, I can tell you that we do not ignore details. We can get lost in the details more than anyone. *Irrelevant* details are the problem. Separating relevant details from irrelevant details is the J function. Now, ultimately, we do prefer to delegate the details if possible. And ISTJs are great for that. But when coming up with the plan, we want to know everything about the subject backwards and forwards. Separating the wheat from the chaff is the difference here. INTPs just like the intellectual exercise for its own sake. They Perceive - taking things in. INTJs Judge - deciding what serves the objective and what doesn't. "On the other hand" is a good INTP phrase. "Cut to the chase" is more INTJ. As an INTJ, I find that one of my greatest strengths is learning fast, and that happens because I'm good at determining what's good information and what isn't, and ignoring that which is irrelevant or inaccurate. And here I am dissecting your video and telling you what you got wrong.
Another “unhealthy” Se thing at least for me, has been shopping. If there is any vice I have had that one comes the closest, even tho I take breaks and don’t indulge often. I KNOW if I am highly stressed out etc; the only sensory activity I can over indulge in is shopping. Sometimes travel. But I don’t drink or do drugs so.
you said in one of your videos that Ti and Fi are similar to each other and in the video of INFP and INFJ you described the relation between INFP and Te like there is some kind of conflect between the two functions (Fi and Te) that is similar to the conflect between Ti and Te so what is the difference between INFP and INTP or ISTP and ISFP? two types that with the same all functions exept the dominant ones? and their dominant functions that is also similar in some sense
out of topic im curious about introverted intuition, i read and watch a lot about this including your videos but what im curious about is the subconscious mind that has been in context in the book think and grow rich like how is it differ and similar to the introverted intuition, there is also this called infinite intelligence that has been mentioned on that book that related to subconscious, i hope it might also curious you about it, i hope in finding an answer to that
i usually watch your videos, and out of nowhere it just pop out into my mind about this that's why i dont search the introverted intuition or fruitless fantasy video that you have and just directly commented it here
Personally I'm stuck between INTJ and INTP. My question is, are INTPs really the more creative between the two? The INTPs I've met don't usually do a whole lot to demonstrate this. They do spend a great deal of time learning, but they don't really apply that to anything creative. They can do art, but it's often pretty generic.
Bee Gee INFPs are the opposite. They lead with a judging function, Introverted Feeling. Their second function, Extroverted Intuition, is a perceiving function that is expressed outwardly. As a result, INFJs appear more structured, rigid, and analytical, whereas INFPs appear more open, spontaneous, and artistic.
INTPs are creative with their ideas. INTJ are more creative with concrete physical things. That's why INTJs can be percieved as more creative because their creations are physical and everyone can see them. For INTPs their creations are typically abstarct ideas about very specific topics they are not going to share unless they are asked.
Finishing something to show off for the public would be a ton of busywork to iron out small details, which is a majority of the time. INTPs usually obsess over whether a problem is solvable, and attack the interesting part of the problem, and when they have found a solution and know that something is possible, they usually don't find it meaningful to do all the boring busywork to actually realize it into something useful or visible to the public. so myself i have lots and lots of source code, circuit boards, microcontroller projects, and schematics that could be finished and showed off, but when the hard problem is proved solvable we'd rather find a new problem than finishing something into a releasable state.
This is a very good review. I might refer people who struggle with INTP vs INTJ to this video. Could you do INTP vs INFP? I find that's another common mistyping. What do you think about the theory that Carl Jung was an INFJ? Didn't he describe himself as an introverted intuitive type? I take this to mean Ni-dominant, based on the way he wrote, but theoretically it could mean introverted + intutive. BTW, I took a peak at your previous version of this video and realized I had already watched it a long time ago. I didn't realize you were the same person. I specifically recall thinking you seemed to have a slight bias towards INTJs in that first video, which is understandable given your type, but this one seems a little more evenly-weighted. Good job!
Great video. The only challenge is how close or accurate is it in understanding the personality of an individual. While taking the personality assessment, I was not sure to select on "Agree" or "Partially Agree" based on the questions asked. Since MBTI is used in the hiring space as well to identify the personality of the talent. What I have seen is people tweak their answers as per to the outcomes. Is there any personality test developed which does not ask any question and can understand the personality?
Hey Asura. Have you seen CS Joseph’s “INTJ vs INTP” video at all? Do you resonate with his variational take on MBTI at all? Why or why not? Thanks. Keep up the good work!
I also get lost in my own world, living in the future like an INTJ. But I repress as much emotion as I can & show some of it, until I'm like a soda bottle that overflows!!!! So, I'm baffled if I may be INTJ or INTP, but also if I may actually be INFJ or INFP. (?) 🙃🙃🙃
I wonder if an INTJ can be deeply emotional but wants an A, B, C, & D plan for everything. even if they can't, they try & wish to think strategically like chess despite their emotional state(s). Do those INTJ types even exist?
So INTJs are more likely to keep information in their short term memory and then forget it when it is no longer useful as the goal has been achieved or perhaps abandoned. Ok, I didn't know that.
Hmm. Not so sure I agree with this. For one, INTPs are totally clueless about their surroundings too. Perhaps you don't agree with the eight function model with the whole 'shadow' (I don't think the term is used the same as Jung initially intended, but I still think the concept is valid), but I've found elements of it pretty insightful. For one, it accounts for the fact that both INTPs and INTJs tend to a) be clueless about their surroundings and b) struggle with social values. Their trickster and inferior functions are swapped. INTPs daydream just as much as INTJs (in a very different way, they are much less prone to actualizing any of it), but they typically aren't insecure about their lack of sensory awareness. Often it's not even on their radar. On a similar note, I've often observed INTJs as very oblivious to societal values, but they're usually quite satisfied by their Fi morality and so don't feel as insecure about their lack of Fe. INTPs on the other hand are quite insecure about it, because they have no Fi to fall on (or any healthy kind at least), and their lack of skills can often cause them to repress the inferior function to dangerous levels, actively rebelling against their own wants and desires. The issue isn't so much awareness as it is inadequacy and self-sabotage. As far as the holding emotions in and then blowing up, in my experience it's not even a true bottling effect. INTJs can stew as they have some Fi awareness, but for INTPs such explosive episodes are equally as inexplicable to them as to others. It's a flash of Fi demon, and comes from a near entirely unconscious area. Though it should be noted, some INTPs aren't as angry as they can come off, they just have no idea how to gauge the expression to effectively communicate the level of frustration they're feeling. This is Se trickster acting. INTJs on the other hand are the reverse. When upset, they often try to hold it in, but Se inferior is poor at this, which can add to their insecurity and frustration. Still, it is typically better maintained than INTP anger because they are conscious of it and actively trying to control it. INTPs DEFINETLY fall into bad sensory habits. Laziness and apathy are some of the core weaknesses of the type, and the first signs to look for to see if an INTP is unhealthy is if they are binging, overeating, tuning out reality to a more extreme extent etc. Si child makes them especially prone to seeking comfort, which makes Ti-Si loops quite self-reinforcing, while Fi demon is perhaps most consistently expressed in depressive self-indulgence.
Sedna Floating Since Introverted Sensing is a Perceiving function, it can be understood, much like Introverted Intuition (Ni), as acting rather passively and outside of conscious control. Like INJs, SJs often experience a strong sense of conviction, a gut feeling about whether some is true or false, right or wrong. Introverted Feeling (Fi) is a function that deals with the person’s own individual feelings and beliefs. Unlike Extraverted Feeling (Fe), which responds to the environment and others emotions, Introverted Feeling deals with morals and what the person truly believes. Introverted Feeling is more in depth and complex. People with Introverted Feeling tend to be on a quest to figure out who they are and what they want out of life. Ideally, they would like everything they do to be in congruence with their personal believes. They want to live a life as true to themselves as possible. Hope this helps
Alaa Almatyri When Jung studied human behavior, he noticed that people have the capability to make decisions based on two very different sets of criteria: Thinking and Feeling. When someone makes a decision that is based on logic and reason, they are operating in Thinking mode. When someone makes a decision that is based on their value system, or what they believe to be right, they are operating in Feeling mode. We all use both modes for making decisions, but we put more trust into one mode or the other. A "Thinker" makes decisions in a rational, logical, impartial manner, based on what they believe to be fair and correct by pre-defined rules of behavior. A "Feeler" makes decisions on the individual case, in a subjective manner based on what they believe to be right within their own value systems.this might help you understand your own standpoint on your “ type” or last “function stack”
If knowledge was an animal, the INTP would take it in and take care of it. The INTJ will keep it fed and interact with it when they’re ready, but will keep it outdoors.
There is no way being intj and also intp. They have different cognitive functions. Intj: ni, te, fi, se Intp: ti, ne, si, fe . If you feel that you are something inbetween, it might be well developed function in subconscious, unconscious..
@@Pose005 Depends on the test. On the WAIS-IV I scored high on every subtest except image completion, where they show you an image and 6 potential pieces that make that image. You have to pick the 3 that would be correct if mentally rotated. I scored 50th percentile on that, far worse then any of my other scores. Yes though, I did do well on some of the other spatial tests. My best scores were verbal-abstract sub tests.
Remember, one is a judging type, the INTP, because they lead with a judging function and perceive the outer world second. One is a perceiving type, INTJ, because they lead with a perceiving function and judge the external world second.
@@AsuraPsych judging you mean is that one prefers to hold an idea in advance which falls into very complicated process of arranging stuff to come up with plans Which then falls to failure which is why plan b exist. Judging is do it later cuz I need time to think Projecting is to wait for the actual day or event to come (since they are more open and think that anything could happen which would contradict if they ever did a plan) and then proceed to the decision. Projecting is Now cuz I can do it right now.
Jovy Nabong When Jung studied human behavior, he noticed that people have the capability to make decisions based on two very different sets of criteria: Thinking and Feeling. When someone makes a decision that is based on logic and reason, they are operating in Thinking mode. When someone makes a decision that is based on their value system, or what they believe to be right, they are operating in Feeling mode. We all use both modes for making decisions, but we put more trust into one mode or the other. A "Thinker" makes decisions in a rational, logical, impartial manner, based on what they believe to be fair and correct by pre-defined rules of behavior. A "Feeler" makes decisions on the individual case, in a subjective manner based on what they believe to be right within their own value systems.
I know that. What I am confused about is my ability to think whether with introverted intuition or introverted thinking. My problem is I feel like I have both functions or I am mistakenly classifying since both have the same puzzle solver ability.
Jovy Nabong I Know what the answer to your question is but I think if “you” can’t figure it out you need to see a certified MBTI practitioner and get “typed” properly.
Jovy Nabong your either an INFJ-ENFJ-ESTP or an ISTP if your are more introverted then obviously your not an extroverted ESTP type here’s an official type chart ENFP: Ne - Fi - Te - Si INFP: Fi - Ne - Si - Te INFJ: Ni - Fe - Ti - Se ENFJ: Fe - Ni - Se - Ti ISTJ: Si - Te - Fi - Ne ESTJ: Te - Si - Ne - Fi ISTP: Ti - Se - Ni - Fe ESTP: Se - Ti - Fe - Ni INTJ: Ni - Te - Fi - Se INTP: Ti - Ne - Si - Fe ENTJ: Te - Ni - Se - Fi ENTP: Ne - Ti - Fe - Si ISFJ: Si - Fe - Ti - Ne ISFP: Fi - Se - Ni - Te ESFJ: Fe - Si - Ne - Ti ESFP: Se - Fi - Te - Ni
It helps to ignore the letters. It's much better to consider which functions you prefer to use. If you find your dominant and secondary functions, you can narrow that down to one of the 16 different types.
INTJ is sort of like joker (courts fool), he knows that his fool but everyone else is more, thus his okey with circumstances until things work his way. But yeah, i like to debate at work with tp types just for lols, for the reasons you gave, but no harm in that.
I think I need help from someone else to tell which I am cause I honestly don't know, I've taken the test 2 times on 2 different sites with different results. I've watched videos and read a lot that I'm getting stressed not figuring out which one I am. If anyone care to maybe have a talk with me and help me figure out which I am that would be great :)
It's hard to tell. I think hes an INTJ but INTP is certainly possible. Hes such a visionary though, he pushing for changes that are way before his time. Hes like a modern day Nikola Tesla, which makes me think INTJ. I'd have to meet him in person though.
6:25 "because they don't repress sensation" Ahhhh my headdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd. Asura please learn 8 function ahhhhhhhhh. This thought doesn't even work in practice... Look at INFP's and INTP's ffs and try to say that... In 8 function, they actually have Se in an even WORSE position... The blind spot. Trickster.
Not a fan of eight function models, goes against Jung's interpretation. The "Second four" functions don't exist in Jungian traditional views because they are not repressed. Te and Ti are both thinking. There are not 8 functions, there are 4 that exist in two attitudes. An ENTJ doesn't repress Ti, the thinking function is just directed externally. The other four functions cause no unconscious stress like say the repressed function, they are simply lenses that are not employed.
@@AsuraPsych I'm aware. We've partially discussed this before... But you can say all that, *in theory*, in practice, 8 function model (yeah yeah I'm aware of attitudes and what not but people say 8 for conveniences sake) is the only thing that takes account in practice... And actually, even Jung hints at the opposition of the functions in attitude equivalent to Beebe's Nemesis and critic position. He just never described this... Shit evolves bruh... Really the only difference in 8 function is that it models 75% of the shit you already say... You say they are simply lens that are not employed. Yes 8 function preaches that in a sense as well. But what happens when you are forced to employ them? There's no answer for that in traditional mbti. All 8 function is is an explanation of types perspectives of those opposing functions. But they are still all neglected and rejected and unvalued. That's all...
@@chrisadam9080 Exactly. According to cognitive functions, every P-type is quite opposite to its "judging" counterpart. For example, I have yet not witnessed a significant similarity between me(infj) and infps.
What do you think about the INTP that had (Introverted iNtuition, Introverted Thinking, Thinking Perceiving and iNtuitive Perceiving) on their cognitive function.. I do really have it on the erickhtor.com test, before that i was tested in 16personality.com and got INTJ
Can someone help me to guess if im intj or intp? I did the test a month ago and i got intj, i read the description and i was sure that i was and intj, but for curiosity i did it again today and i get intp and i think it doesnt fit me well. I took it again and i got intp again. I think my intp changed because i read about mbti and unconsciously i changed it because i didnt like something about my type (but i really prefer intj over intp). Im very insecure so i was thinking about it all the day and i dont know what to do
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Super helpful content here. The INTP starts with logic and makes abstractions whereas the INTJ starts with abstractions and uses logic to achieve their abstract visions. Thanks for sharing.
Can give an example of this? I don't think i quite understand... English is not my first language.
Your talking to the point is ON POINT 🖤 no boring intro, just FACTS 🙏🏻
Appreciate the feedback, thanks for watching!
@leif viking Asura didn't say Einstein was more intelligent than Tesla so why are you insinuating he was wrong? Strawman aside, importance is "obviously" subjective, and intelligence-quantifying is up for debate as well. Why always the pissing contest between young INTJs and INTPs over who is smarter? Does it really matter on the whole? At the end of the day, you are neither Tesla nor Einstein. I'd rather see people claim their own accomplishments than try to rest on the laurels of others with whom they think they have something in common. Newton was brilliant but he also valued humility and said if he had seen further it was only because he had stood on the shoulders of giants. Also, WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? DO YOU REALIZE WHEN YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPS IT MAKES YOU SEEM LIKE A RAVING LUNATIC?
@leif viking bro is your caps lock button stuck or something?
@@heatherbryant4197 To settle this battle Einstein himself said Tesla was more intelligent than him.
@@tshaolin971 Einstein saying Tesla was smarter demonstrates Einstein's humility (and Fe) rather than proving Tesla was _actually_ smarter. Besides, if you want to go down that road and entertain that possibility, wouldn't the smarter of the two be the most competent judge of intelligence? Furthermore, in light of Dunning-Kruger effect, it is statistically more likely for the person who self-assesses as less-competent to be more competent, and the person who identifies themselves as smarter to be less so.
Whether Tesla was more intelligent than Einstein may or may not be true. My point was that it doesn't really matter and has no bearing or relevant impact on our lives.
As an INTJ I have noticed that about myself regarding knowledge only being temporary and tendency to discard it after its done being used so I have made sure as I learn to record what I have learned in detail so if I have to go back and use the information again I would not have to relearn it. Its particularly important with very large technical projects.
Another INTJ here, where do you keep this temporary knowledge? Notes, notebooks, recordings?
@@zenunim I have these elaborate photoshop collages which contain notes, captured information from websites, photographs, scaned document and I use lots of photoshop tools like arrrows, colors etc
and anything I can think of which connect all the information. If I ever need to go back for the information I have a record of all the information and how it all relates so I can more easily get back into that subject
without having to redo all the research. It may seem time consuming but the act of putting the collage together also helps you learn the subject.
@@zenunim I love NOTION
@@s.u.5285i did this too, some youtubers called it second brain
Yeah. I have no clue which one I am and it's stressing me out. I agree with a little bit of both and I've taken the test 8 times to find out. My results have been 4 for INTP and 4 for INTJ.
Alphabet Monkey same here
same here
you can just boil it down to your main and secondary functions. go look for the cognitive functions and what they are and pick what you agree the most as your main function. then pick the 2nd most that you agree on and that will be your secondary function. then find what type has those 2 functions and settle on that as your type.
You don't have to define your personality around either though. Whatever you can identify as your functions and way of thinking is, is your personality. This is just a broad description. I find myself both an intp and an intj too.
While we often treat each type as a discrete category each component (like P vs J) is actually more of a continuum with P at one end and J at the other. Most people will fall more to one side than the other, but its quite possible and valid for you to be in the middle of that continuum. In fact, when you take the MBTI there is a numerical value assigned to each trait so that you can see how strongly you identify with that component.
I'd also add that while both types like a degree of external order, INTJs prioritise this far more than the INTP, who conversely is more concerned with the logical order of their internal world. The former type is also hyper specific and tends to manifest all these ideas in reality like you mention, whereas the INTP seems to enjoy pursuing a vast amount of things at any one time and is as you say more willing to deconstruct and reconstruct their own understanding.
What's your opinion on different forms of intelligence, and have you ever tried placing this within a Jungian continuum? Often the INTJ exhibits what is in my mind a radically different 'kind' of intelligence than the INTP, even within the confines of intellectualism.
I absolutely agree with the INTJ and INFJ having similar levels of detachment! Great stuff as usual.
Nice. Can you talk a little more about how intj’s and intp’s function in stressed situations? And possibly how they could get out of those blockade loops?
Can you do ISFP/INTJ or ENTP/INTJ? Love the channel 👍🏽
This is probably the most understandable comparison I've seen. Good job
Do any other teenage INTPs (and probably INTJs too) find school boring and silly but love to pursue their own interests and almost obsessively learn their own thing out of school (or multiple things maybe in case of INTPS), gain lots of knowledge and progress in that, and prefer to be thought of as smart in regards to that while not really caring if they don't get top grades? Eg creative writing, online business, language learning, or just researching random areas of interest online! (And questioning the illogical school system!)
I guess these types would tend to exhibit such tendencies (though I'd like to point out that any other type could also do the same).
In my case I find that it's my ENXP friends who are most likely to pick up many random skills outside the school curriculum. I roughly remember I had an ENTP classmate who was teaching me how to write a message in braille in the middle of math class (cuz we already had some knowledge of the topic and we were bored). In another class, ENFP sitting beside me was sharing about anime and politics (at that time I couldn't care less about American politics so I was awed by how much they knew). Needless to say we got called out by our teachers, but without them I think school would be much less interesting.
Wow now i'm really confused! It feels like in some i am intj and in some i am intp and in some both!
Can someone show me how to find out wich one am i? Give me advise?
Same
Study/research cognitive functions more in depth and try and find out which ones seem to come more naturally than the other.
I like to think that INTJ's knowledage absorbtion works like computer RAM (Random access memory). The memory is rapidly filled with data, opened applications etc and then completely discarded from memory freeing up the memory and allowing the memory to be rapidly filled again. I have noticed this on myself when learning things. Very high obsessive drive towards specific topic and then discard 95% of that knowledage and keep 5% that yielded the best results and allowed me to accomplish what I want. This made me feel stupid many times because I didn't seem to remember things, but instead had "experience" and reference points to the lost knowledage to relearn it again if needed. Also I constantly envision ideas, but struggle a lot developing details for those ideas and as a result I dismiss the ideas altogether as useless because of that. I started to think that these things are some sort of defects of mine, but listening to this video gave me insight that not only there is a high probability I'm an INTJ, but also validated the way I think. I really enjoyed this video and organic explanation of these two types. Thanks Asura, subbed.
I appreciate this. When I correlate my behaviors to your analyses it confirm my INTJ-ness. Thank you!
I still can’t tell, I do both.
I think the primary difference to seperate the two is to pay attention to their intuitions.
Jung said Ne, while floaty and abstract, still relies on present and past concretized data to form a vision or idea. Basically, connecting various objects together in the outside world to form a specific concrete impression of the "reality" of the object. These personal impressions are often clung to not because its all encompassing or symbolic of a greater future or vision, but because its smaller and more grounded. Si is the grounding force of any NeSi type, they view memories and impressions are paramount, as something to be repeated into the near future.
In short, Ne takes conceptual, obscured outside data to form a detailed reality seperate from external tampering. This can be in the form of a novel lifestyle, or even in the creation of storjes or worlds for the sake of it. Because of this, NeSi is more timeless and understandable when academically viewing it. It's its own little thing seperate of the happenings and tends of the outside world. An Ne dom, despite its tendancy to drift off into fantasy, will still be linked to happenings in a vague, detached way. If Si doms produce HIGHLY detailed visions and impressions of factual objects and happenings, Ne turns these already subjective images and videos into roarshach blotches of these happenings and facts. Si doms take photographs of literal events, methodically placing them into a filing cabinent or library of knowledge. Ne doms, on the other hand, do the same thing, but afterwards, they alter and color-shift the image into an unrecognizable form until it is either deleted or tossed aside into a pile of scattered paper.
Wheras NiSe, from my observation, is highly opposed to this sort of thinking. Ni forms a vision detached from reality, yet oddly enough, encompassing reality itself. NiSe is more intesested in reality outside of themselves insofar as they pay attention to the concrete moment. They observe happenings amd details in their enviornment directly and unbiased to form a biased, subjective philosophy or symbol around it. Ni needs external happenings and details to form its symbols, but unlike Ne, who directly harvests and sucks in ideas, Ni sucks in happenings and literal events for inspiration, hence its direct, albiet unconcious, connection to reality depending on its placement in the stack.
So, an xSxP will view reality itself as all there is, yet it will be aware that an underlying symbolic realoty exists underneath the surface to tamper with, its just trivial and meaningless compared to reality. The Ni dom generally tends to view its symbols as reality, and the external world of literal events as meaningless or subservient to these grand futures. "A sea of fruitless fantasies," if you will.
I was wondering if someone more knowledgeable could help me figure out if I an an INTJ or INTP. When I first learned about the Myers Briggs system, I was sure I was an INTJ I read a lot about them and their tendencies and trusted that the 16 personalities test was all knowing (lol). But now that I’ve looked into it a little more and watched some videos, I’m not so sure. I know I am definitely introverted, being situations with new people or large groups is exhausting for me. I am a very studious student, and I’m the annoying kid that raises there hand for literally every question, (we are aware we’re annoying, trust me). I would say I’m not an emotionally driven person, but I do have outbursts of emotions. As a perfectionist, if I don’t think I’ve gotten an answer right, or don’t know what to do on a quiz or test, it triggers an over dramatic response in me.... its pretty pathetic. I also seek to understand not only how to do something, but why it is the way it is. For example in math, I become frustrated if I learn a topic and don’t understand why it happens that way. I feel like I’m going to make mistakes If I don’t understand the fundamental framework behind things. I am also a fairly creative person. I draw a lot, and enjoy doing hyperrealism from references. I am not good at making original art, but I can copy someone’s pet from a photo well enough to sell them, (I do lol). Is this information useful for typing, or is there anything else that would be helpful? I know one youtube comment won’t definitively determine my type, but I just wanted some insight from someone other than myself due to biases and an attachment to the INTJ struggle lol.
From what you've written it definitely sounds like you're an INTP. However, it's completely normal and pretty common for people to toe the line between types. I, for example, am mostly an INTJ, but have a little bit of an INTP inside, especially with my attention to detail combined with seeing the whole picture. It's really no big deal if you haven't completely figured yourself out. You'll get there
I acted like this in school as well. I was always the teacher's pet. However, I know I'm INTJ more so because of their negative qualities. It is very hard for me to interact with people. INTJs have the iconic death stare when they're busy in their inner world. People have to repeat themselves many times before my mind can snap back to reality and process what they said for me to respond. INTP, from what I've seen, don't do this at all. Also, I've been addicted to sensory stimulation one too many times in my life.
Zosia Thank you for the insight!
Clair Aragon Thank you!
Inxj here, and I relate to that "raising my hands right here right now, let's get over with it teacher" part.
What you wrote drew a smile on my face. Thank you ♦️
INTJ woman here with an INTP male co-worker.
When we discuss General knowledge, we are complimentary like our brains are connected.
But when we are coding/programming together, we butt heads like two bulls stuck in a narrow corridor.
That said, we get ANY job done much faster and more efficiently than anyone ever could. :)
This is making me a bit frustrated because I just can’t figure out if I’m an INTP or INTJ 😂 I can relate to both pretty much equally and I’ve gotten both results on the test. but, for the perceiving/judging part, it came really close every time I do the test. The last time I took the test it’s 52% judging and 48% perceiving.... 😐
The test usually arent accuarte. Id say they mistype people about 60% of the time.
Understood. It took me a few _years_ to finally nail down my personality type😣
Thanks for making it clear again that i‘m an INTP. Lately i just felt a lot goal oriented and i‘m dressing less like i picked my clothes from the trash. But still INTP 🤷🏼♀️
😂 Love your honesty
The interesting fact about Introverted Intuition is that it works unconsciously. So, even if we drop what we have learned, it remains in the subconscious - and if we ponder about a problem, a solution using all that hidden knowledge pops out of nowhere - and that can be the application of a principle we have learned long time ago in a complete different context.
But about the details - I don't know. As a method of approaching a new field (as INTJ), that is true: First try to work out how the big picture works and from there follow the lines of the details. But in general, I am an Improver: If I handle something, I quickly see which details aren't satisfying and need improvement, and then I want (and do) fix these. As a result, everything I make is very much perfect on all the details, but that may be also depending on me being an Enneagram five - one.
And about the suppressed functions: I don't think that is the right name for it. In contrary you can see them obviously as they are named: INTPs have Extroverted Feeling and as result, they express their feelings to the outer world. INTJs have Extroverted Sensing and at least for me, that means manually interacting with the world, like crafting the things I have thought of or doing sports and such. And because the types lack the other types' function, INTJs Expression of Feelings is stone-cold and INTPs struggle with physically interacting with their environment.
INTJ like to see the lists.. Since we are more interested in ideas and skip the details.
Which is why I barely like to watch videos without timestamps.
Yh me too! I always search for timestamps through out the comments!!
But u Know what Asura's worth ur time!!!!!
@@Irene77545 Yeh, but just gotta save time than looking at the the milky way and manually try to pin point where the earth is.
@@novski3175 Haha agreed!
Well we like to see the big ideas quickly to get to the point to see if it's worth our time. Skip the details until we find something worthwhile. If it is worth our time then we can worry about the details.
Although that being said we probably won't care how hard or how much we need to sacrifice to do it once we commit.
The bummer of being INTJ is that as trail blazers seems like they have to take on all the risks of trying to make their dreams a reality and not being good at interacting with reality that makes that really hard to do.
Yup the final piece to give me 100% clarity I am INTP.
Your video is so well explained, thank you for this.
Amazing video and very informative. This video makes it even easier for me to be absolutely sure I'm an NiTeFiSe :) I also love you mentioning the sacrifices we are able to make in order to persue a greater purpose. Thank you!
Thanks for the update. I saw your older video and made a comment on this topic on that video
Really Spot on the Fact that, INTJ doesn't really care you are wrong, INTJ care Much Much More if you are the Obstacle.
Because If you are the Obstacle, I will need to re-adjust my thinking, and to consider if I should Ignore you, Climb Over you, Or Simply Kick you Aside.
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Went and saw them last week, it's the tour shirt haha, thanks for watching!
When you said INTJs get obsessive about a topic, and don't remember anything about it when it's no longer needed, I was like, now everything makes sense. I thought it was just me, who becomes an expert in something in a month, and them loses all the interest, along with all the knowledge about it, when this particular thing is not useful anymore in order to achieve my goals.
dude i love your videos so much, i was struggling to find a real intj youtuber
I never had the doubt that I'm one way or another. I've known that I'm an INTP even before I took the test. I know an INTJ personally and this discussion is on point.
@Nok Ko You do.
@Nok Ko Yeah that's probably the whole point. But as you said, who cares right? But the act of replying contradicts your words. You could just be indifferent about it.
@Nok Ko Sure but you can't disregard the possibility that there are others who just use it to feel a sense of belonging-ness. Besides, even if some use it to flatter themselves, it doesn't sound so bad. It's their way of living or coping. You can't impose on that.
Great video and content. Direct, quick, relevant, clear comparison.
I'm interested in hearing your comparison of ISTP and INTP.
INTP here. Very good summary and accurate, at least for me. Internal logical structure based on my database of knowledge. Plenitude of ideas that never materialise and also a multitude of interests such as MBTI being one while I'm also learning to code and reading political philosophy texts. Like debating but my function to turn text to speech isn't very good so I'm not verbally articulate despite having a very complex internal conversational system. Definitely relate to emotional outbursts in my teenage year. Often feel disconnected from my emotion and physical being. Like I'm a 'soul' in an avatar, often referring to my physical body as a vessel, 'This body needs food'.
Pick a topic, deep dive, oh I found my pearl, on to the next oyster field..... Your description of this pattern is 100% me. Do I remember details of the diet I spent six months researching a couple years ago?.... Nooo...... But I remember the gist of how it works, that's the important part, right?? 😅
Your right, my brother and I reach the same information yet have starkly different answers and approaches. And I also agree the intp's like my brother have a higher intellectual potency than myself intj.
I understood the repressed function to be something that you care about, but aren't very good at. Some of what you said about the repressed functions sounds to me like a description of the blind spot.
I agree for instance that the INTP is very aware of details in the things they are interested in, but to me it seems like they have trouble being aware of what's actually physically present. The functions they use to deal with the details (Ti and Si) are both introverted and therefore subjective. In my experience, an INTJ, if he wants, can be more physically present with his immediate surroundings, although his knowledge of his interests is indeed generally less detailed.
From what I've seen, INTPs do care about the social environment, and are sometimes self-conscious about how bad they know they are at it. But they don't know how late they are and they can't find their glasses (polar Se). The INTJ on the other hand does want to improve his sensory perception. But he can't be bothered to care about the wider social environment.
I don't understand half of what you said, but it sounds good.
So insightful. I am a INTJ married to an INTP. I can't tell you how many times I've had a conversation with my husband and he wants to explain some random physics theory to me and I'll listen to him just to make him happy but in the back of my mind I'm thinking "Why are we even wasting time talking about this? Its totally useless information that can serve no practical purpose."
INTJ here. I would love to hear those. I create theories like these too
everything is about the meta laws you dummie!
Lol this whole time I’ve thought I was an INTJ because almost everything described me, but now I’m realizing I have a lot of INTP tendencies as well. For example when he talks about emotionally gauging others, I would say I’m extremely good at that. I have that “physic” system going on where I internally pick up on things without knowing and end up compiling them to make a prediction or guess. I also wouldn’t say that I struggle with “being in the moment”. Yes, I would say quite often I’m doing a multitasking thinking process but I’m not really in that day dreaming phase where people have to say my name. I’m aware, but I’m in my own world as well. Any insight? :)
Edit: he talks about how both types struggle with stress. And of course, I do both.
I lash out due to repressed emotions, but I also notice addicting sensory coping habits that I feel I need to do when I get home from school.
Another INTP habit:
I love debating and being right... something I need to work on. I do think the reasoning behind this is confirming and testing my internal beliefs and knowledge.
Lol. You sound like the typical INTJ in search for his/her Fi-self, ready to go down to the nitty-gritty until s/he has zeroed in what makes him/her his/her type, specifically.
Keep it up! :)
I still can't figure out if I'm INTP or INTJ, it seems like I'm both at the same time, idk
An INTJ has Suppressed Se and
an INTP has Suppressed Fe.
If loud noises bother you a lot than your an INTJ.
If you are unsure of yourself then you are probably INTP. We are bad at making decisions and constantly questioning ourselves and our beliefs.
There is a specific online test to determine which type between these two you are more likely to be.
www.idrlabs.com/test/intj-or-intp.php
I hope it provides you with an acceptable answer.
@@rithrius5384 i did this test, because i was a little unsure about my type. after watching this video, thought i behave a little bit more like an intj, but sometimes i behave like an intp. well... this test shows it too: 53% intj.
i think this is the weakness of the 16p-test: some people are on the border of 2 or more types. so sometimes, these people are in a different mood and get a different result.
maybe a channel who isn't bullshit about "types"
good one, great content
You should write about the different functions and types in a handbook or a book similar to an instruction manual for like a video game.
lovely! thank you for these videos - much appreciated
Appreciate the support, thanks for watching!
That's so me. I get obsessed with learning something and then i use it or realise that I cant use it for other reasons and then I just forget it all. I didn't understand that until i learned my type...
So this is the video that made it finally clear to me that i did NOT mistype as an INTJ. INTP clearly has similarities, but when you were talking about the repressed Functions i could not relate to the INTP at all, since reading vibes in a room is kinda my thing. SE on the other hand is totally my repressed function. I can be so detached that i wont notice a person i know walking by cause i am in the middle of daydreaming.
But the stereotypical INTJ isnt for me, i am almost always procrastinating, which i think stems from my kinda underdeveloped TE and being in the NIFI Loop atm. It feels like i am not moving at all cause i lack a clear goal and thus motivation. So i think a depressed? INTJ might easily mistype as INTP
Personally, I think it's worth noting that both types (actually anyone in general) can lash out when they've repressed their negative feelings long enough to reach a certain breaking point. After all we're all humans with emotions, right?
The best way to differentiate between Fe and Fi, in my humble opinion, would be the reasons behind their anger, and possibly how the anger manifests itself (eg cold vs hot).
Great video btw, wish I had discovered this earlier
When you mentioned the we've-reached-our-goal-so-let's-dump-out-our-knowledge-and-move-onto-the-next-goal of INTJs, I was reminded of another of your videos where you mentioned that INTJs tend to organize their living spaces only up to the point where it's organized enough. Do you think these two processes are related?
Maybe making it organized "enough" comes from Te, which desires things to be functional?
this is so spot on, good work
Excellent analysis 👍
Would you recommend any other channels similar to yours? I’ve already watched all your vids lol
Amazing man go on!!
This was great!! Thanks!
Thanks for explaining. I'm trying to learn. ESFJ💖💖
Excellent video
Ever sense I've done the Personality test, one thought has always crossed my mind. What about autistic people?
Now autism is something that plays with the wiring in your head. How does that change them, from a personality stand point?
How closely do they follow the type, and how they don't.
From the few ones that I have met they seem to have a higher likely hood in being IN-- types. One of them was a fairly close friend (which at that time I had no clue that he was autistic) which I now suspect to be an INTJ. But he didn't fully follow it, he was some weird amalgamation of other personality types.
I would like to hear ideas about this, and or odd storys.
Yes. Me and my intp colleague. He collects information for the sake of collecting it all. I focus on something, exhaust it and move on.
I barely eat.. I enjoy the growth of my senses when I starve. Its like super sensing. I can smell food well and how bad the pollution in public.
I even thought I smelled like shit at first but it was really just the place..
I don't mean this in a creepy way but I can sometimes distinguish the smell of people I know from a distance..
I think that's how dogs evolved to have strong sense of smell.
Their ancestors must have been likely to starve alot in the past which makes them adapt and evolve to have super sense of smell over millions of years.
I’ve taken the test multiple times and gotten both INTP and INTJ. I agree with almost every aspect about the INTJ except the common notion that they don’t procrastinate and would rather follow strict schedules to get things done early. Is this true?
Honestly, I don't know. I'm in the same situation as you - I get both INTP and INTJ as well, though INTJ seems to come out more often. Personally I'm a big procrastinator and don't really like strict rules and schedules (especially when I don't have a goal in mind). I'm mostly leaving a comment behind since I hope that you'll get an actual answer someday :)
3:37 Aristotle too
Do you have suggestions for turning off some of the hyperanalytical qualities of being an Intj in a new social situation? I can't get out of my head!
Thank you it helped!
Nailed it!
The INTP is the quintessential college professor. The INTJ is the strategist and leader. And as an INTJ, I can tell you that we do not ignore details. We can get lost in the details more than anyone. *Irrelevant* details are the problem. Separating relevant details from irrelevant details is the J function. Now, ultimately, we do prefer to delegate the details if possible. And ISTJs are great for that. But when coming up with the plan, we want to know everything about the subject backwards and forwards. Separating the wheat from the chaff is the difference here. INTPs just like the intellectual exercise for its own sake. They Perceive - taking things in. INTJs Judge - deciding what serves the objective and what doesn't. "On the other hand" is a good INTP phrase. "Cut to the chase" is more INTJ.
As an INTJ, I find that one of my greatest strengths is learning fast, and that happens because I'm good at determining what's good information and what isn't, and ignoring that which is irrelevant or inaccurate.
And here I am dissecting your video and telling you what you got wrong.
Another “unhealthy” Se thing at least for me, has been shopping. If there is any vice I have had that one comes the closest, even tho I take breaks and don’t indulge often. I KNOW if I am highly stressed out etc; the only sensory activity I can over indulge in is shopping.
Sometimes travel.
But I don’t drink or do drugs so.
you said in one of your videos that Ti and Fi are similar to each other
and in the video of INFP and INFJ you described the relation between INFP and Te like there is some kind of conflect between the two functions (Fi and Te) that is similar to the conflect between Ti and Te
so what is the difference between INFP and INTP or ISTP and ISFP?
two types that with the same all functions exept the dominant ones? and their dominant functions that is also similar in some sense
I love your interpretation of the types...thank you.
I really learn a lot from your videos.
Hey thanks for that, my primary goal is help people understand. Thanks for watching!
out of topic im curious about introverted intuition, i read and watch a lot about this including your videos but what im curious about is the subconscious mind that has been in context in the book think and grow rich like how is it differ and similar to the introverted intuition, there is also this called infinite intelligence that has been mentioned on that book that related to subconscious, i hope it might also curious you about it, i hope in finding an answer to that
i usually watch your videos, and out of nowhere it just pop out into my mind about this that's why i dont search the introverted intuition or fruitless fantasy video that you have and just directly commented it here
Personally I'm stuck between INTJ and INTP. My question is, are INTPs really the more creative between the two? The INTPs I've met don't usually do a whole lot to demonstrate this. They do spend a great deal of time learning, but they don't really apply that to anything creative. They can do art, but it's often pretty generic.
Bee Gee
INFPs are the opposite. They lead with a judging function, Introverted Feeling. Their second function, Extroverted Intuition, is a perceiving function that is expressed outwardly. As a result, INFJs appear more structured, rigid, and analytical, whereas INFPs appear more open, spontaneous, and artistic.
INTPs are creative with their ideas. INTJ are more creative with concrete physical things. That's why INTJs can be percieved as more creative because their creations are physical and everyone can see them. For INTPs their creations are typically abstarct ideas about very specific topics they are not going to share unless they are asked.
Finishing something to show off for the public would be a ton of busywork to iron out small details, which is a majority of the time. INTPs usually obsess over whether a problem is solvable, and attack the interesting part of the problem, and when they have found a solution and know that something is possible, they usually don't find it meaningful to do all the boring busywork to actually realize it into something useful or visible to the public. so myself i have lots and lots of source code, circuit boards, microcontroller projects, and schematics that could be finished and showed off, but when the hard problem is proved solvable we'd rather find a new problem than finishing something into a releasable state.
Einstein sounds more like an INTJ. He imagined what he wanted, first. Then he did the math.
This is a very good review. I might refer people who struggle with INTP vs INTJ to this video. Could you do INTP vs INFP? I find that's another common mistyping.
What do you think about the theory that Carl Jung was an INFJ? Didn't he describe himself as an introverted intuitive type? I take this to mean Ni-dominant, based on the way he wrote, but theoretically it could mean introverted + intutive.
BTW, I took a peak at your previous version of this video and realized I had already watched it a long time ago. I didn't realize you were the same person. I specifically recall thinking you seemed to have a slight bias towards INTJs in that first video, which is understandable given your type, but this one seems a little more evenly-weighted. Good job!
Great video. The only challenge is how close or accurate is it in understanding the personality of an individual. While taking the personality assessment, I was not sure to select on "Agree" or "Partially Agree" based on the questions asked. Since MBTI is used in the hiring space as well to identify the personality of the talent. What I have seen is people tweak their answers as per to the outcomes.
Is there any personality test developed which does not ask any question and can understand the personality?
Hey Asura. Have you seen CS Joseph’s “INTJ vs INTP” video at all?
Do you resonate with his variational take on MBTI at all? Why or why not?
Thanks.
Keep up the good work!
Probably not. Barely nothing of what he is saying lines up with CS Josephs point of view.
Sigmund Freud is intp,Carl Jung maybe infj because I think Fe is about shaping perception thank a lot great information especially the Tesla part
I also get lost in my own world, living in the future like an INTJ. But I repress as much emotion as I can & show some of it, until I'm like a soda bottle that overflows!!!! So, I'm baffled if I may be INTJ or INTP, but also if I may actually be INFJ or INFP. (?) 🙃🙃🙃
I am both INTP and INTJ, it seems. Is that possible?
I wonder if an INTJ can be deeply emotional but wants an A, B, C, & D plan for everything. even if they can't, they try & wish to think strategically like chess despite their emotional state(s). Do those INTJ types even exist?
So INTJs are more likely to keep information in their short term memory and then forget it when it is no longer useful as the goal has been achieved or perhaps abandoned. Ok, I didn't know that.
you are awesome
Hmm. Not so sure I agree with this.
For one, INTPs are totally clueless about their surroundings too. Perhaps you don't agree with the eight function model with the whole 'shadow' (I don't think the term is used the same as Jung initially intended, but I still think the concept is valid), but I've found elements of it pretty insightful. For one, it accounts for the fact that both INTPs and INTJs tend to a) be clueless about their surroundings and b) struggle with social values. Their trickster and inferior functions are swapped. INTPs daydream just as much as INTJs (in a very different way, they are much less prone to actualizing any of it), but they typically aren't insecure about their lack of sensory awareness. Often it's not even on their radar.
On a similar note, I've often observed INTJs as very oblivious to societal values, but they're usually quite satisfied by their Fi morality and so don't feel as insecure about their lack of Fe. INTPs on the other hand are quite insecure about it, because they have no Fi to fall on (or any healthy kind at least), and their lack of skills can often cause them to repress the inferior function to dangerous levels, actively rebelling against their own wants and desires. The issue isn't so much awareness as it is inadequacy and self-sabotage.
As far as the holding emotions in and then blowing up, in my experience it's not even a true bottling effect. INTJs can stew as they have some Fi awareness, but for INTPs such explosive episodes are equally as inexplicable to them as to others. It's a flash of Fi demon, and comes from a near entirely unconscious area. Though it should be noted, some INTPs aren't as angry as they can come off, they just have no idea how to gauge the expression to effectively communicate the level of frustration they're feeling. This is Se trickster acting. INTJs on the other hand are the reverse. When upset, they often try to hold it in, but Se inferior is poor at this, which can add to their insecurity and frustration. Still, it is typically better maintained than INTP anger because they are conscious of it and actively trying to control it.
INTPs DEFINETLY fall into bad sensory habits. Laziness and apathy are some of the core weaknesses of the type, and the first signs to look for to see if an INTP is unhealthy is if they are binging, overeating, tuning out reality to a more extreme extent etc. Si child makes them especially prone to seeking comfort, which makes Ti-Si loops quite self-reinforcing, while Fi demon is perhaps most consistently expressed in depressive self-indulgence.
you haven't addressed the Fi and Si
Sedna Floating
Since Introverted Sensing is a Perceiving function, it can be understood, much like Introverted Intuition (Ni), as acting rather passively and outside of conscious control. Like INJs, SJs often experience a strong sense of conviction, a gut feeling about whether some is true or false, right or wrong.
Introverted Feeling (Fi) is a function that deals with the person’s own individual feelings and beliefs. Unlike Extraverted Feeling (Fe), which responds to the environment and others emotions, Introverted Feeling deals with morals and what the person truly believes. Introverted Feeling is more in depth and complex.
People with Introverted Feeling tend to be on a quest to figure out who they are and what they want out of life. Ideally, they would like everything they do to be in congruence with their personal believes. They want to live a life as true to themselves as possible.
Hope this helps
I’m little bit confused I’m an Intj but I think I’m intp and some time I think I’m mixed of both
Alaa Almatyri When Jung studied human behavior, he noticed that people have the capability to make decisions based on two very different sets of criteria: Thinking and Feeling. When someone makes a decision that is based on logic and reason, they are operating in Thinking mode. When someone makes a decision that is based on their value system, or what they believe to be right, they are operating in Feeling mode. We all use both modes for making decisions, but we put more trust into one mode or the other. A "Thinker" makes decisions in a rational, logical, impartial manner, based on what they believe to be fair and correct by pre-defined rules of behavior. A "Feeler" makes decisions on the individual case, in a subjective manner based on what they believe to be right within their own value systems.this might help you understand your own standpoint on your “ type” or last “function stack”
If knowledge was an animal, the INTP would take it in and take care of it. The INTJ will keep it fed and interact with it when they’re ready, but will keep it outdoors.
I thought I was and INTJ but now I’m not sure if I’m INTP or INTJ. I have characteristics of both almost equally...
Now how will I define myself?
After this video, I can confirm that i am 50% - 50% J/P
Same
@@harshilshah7234 Same.
Same
There is no way being intj and also intp. They have different cognitive functions. Intj: ni, te, fi, se Intp: ti, ne, si, fe . If you feel that you are something inbetween, it might be well developed function in subconscious, unconscious..
@Nok Ko Then why did you write that, and even click on the video.
Hey cousin, great video. Glad to see the channel is going well, hmu sometime and let's catch up.
Would you say you’re a vivid visual thinker or a spatial thinker who can manipulate things in his mind?
Visual, my spatial intelligence is actually one of my weakest areas. I struggle with mental rotation.
@@AsuraPsych Interesting. I'm INTJ and am the opposite. I heard you score high on IQ tests, aren't they primarily spatial test questions?
@@Pose005 Depends on the test. On the WAIS-IV I scored high on every subtest except image completion, where they show you an image and 6 potential pieces that make that image. You have to pick the 3 that would be correct if mentally rotated. I scored 50th percentile on that, far worse then any of my other scores. Yes though, I did do well on some of the other spatial tests. My best scores were verbal-abstract sub tests.
One is more open minded than the other; despite being labled as a judger. Hmmm, seems to be some projecting going on.
Remember, one is a judging type, the INTP, because they lead with a judging function and perceive the outer world second. One is a perceiving type, INTJ, because they lead with a perceiving function and judge the external world second.
@@AsuraPsych I know, just taking jabs at the INTPs
@@AsuraPsych judging you mean is that one prefers to hold an idea in advance which falls into very complicated process of arranging stuff to come up with plans Which then falls to failure which is why plan b exist.
Judging is do it later cuz
I need time to think
Projecting is to wait for the actual day or event to come (since they are more open and think that anything could happen which would contradict if they ever did a plan) and then proceed to the decision.
Projecting is Now cuz
I can do it right now.
Lmao... I like the way you think.
I know the functions but I cannot seem to wrap up my mind around whether I am with the P or J
Jovy Nabong
When Jung studied human behavior, he noticed that people have the capability to make decisions based on two very different sets of criteria: Thinking and Feeling. When someone makes a decision that is based on logic and reason, they are operating in Thinking mode. When someone makes a decision that is based on their value system, or what they believe to be right, they are operating in Feeling mode. We all use both modes for making decisions, but we put more trust into one mode or the other. A "Thinker" makes decisions in a rational, logical, impartial manner, based on what they believe to be fair and correct by pre-defined rules of behavior. A "Feeler" makes decisions on the individual case, in a subjective manner based on what they believe to be right within their own value systems.
I know that. What I am confused about is my ability to think whether with introverted intuition or introverted thinking. My problem is I feel like I have both functions or I am mistakenly classifying since both have the same puzzle solver ability.
Jovy Nabong
I Know what the answer to your question is but I think if “you” can’t figure it out you need to see a certified MBTI practitioner and get “typed” properly.
Jovy Nabong
your either an INFJ-ENFJ-ESTP or an ISTP if your are more introverted then obviously your not an extroverted ESTP type
here’s an official type chart
ENFP: Ne - Fi - Te - Si
INFP: Fi - Ne - Si - Te
INFJ: Ni - Fe - Ti - Se
ENFJ: Fe - Ni - Se - Ti
ISTJ: Si - Te - Fi - Ne
ESTJ: Te - Si - Ne - Fi
ISTP: Ti - Se - Ni - Fe
ESTP: Se - Ti - Fe - Ni
INTJ: Ni - Te - Fi - Se
INTP: Ti - Ne - Si - Fe
ENTJ: Te - Ni - Se - Fi
ENTP: Ne - Ti - Fe - Si
ISFJ: Si - Fe - Ti - Ne
ISFP: Fi - Se - Ni - Te
ESFJ: Fe - Si - Ne - Ti
ESFP: Se - Fi - Te - Ni
It helps to ignore the letters. It's much better to consider which functions you prefer to use. If you find your dominant and secondary functions, you can narrow that down to one of the 16 different types.
INTJ is sort of like joker (courts fool), he knows that his fool but everyone else is more, thus his okey with circumstances until things work his way.
But yeah, i like to debate at work with tp types just for lols, for the reasons you gave, but no harm in that.
Starset, huh? Cool.
I think I need help from someone else to tell which I am cause I honestly don't know, I've taken the test 2 times on 2 different sites with different results. I've watched videos and read a lot that I'm getting stressed not figuring out which one I am. If anyone care to maybe have a talk with me and help me figure out which I am that would be great :)
The obsessive thing is exactly what I just did with the MBTI theory.......
And many other things.....
I also struggle with being in the moment greatly.
Ok, I guess my type is very clear. I’m not sure what I’m going to do with my time now, but ok
Asura how would you type Elon Musk?
It's hard to tell. I think hes an INTJ but INTP is certainly possible. Hes such a visionary though, he pushing for changes that are way before his time. Hes like a modern day Nikola Tesla, which makes me think INTJ. I'd have to meet him in person though.
He's a typical INTP.
@@sensu31 He may be an INTP but definitely not a typical one.
@@alansilverio4467 Yes, typical. Read the functions.
@@sensu31 I mean the typical INTP doesn't look like him.
EXTREME LACK Of ATTENTION To DETAILS!!!
So me...)
Thanks for watching!
6:25 "because they don't repress sensation"
Ahhhh my headdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd. Asura please learn 8 function ahhhhhhhhh. This thought doesn't even work in practice... Look at INFP's and INTP's ffs and try to say that... In 8 function, they actually have Se in an even WORSE position... The blind spot. Trickster.
Not a fan of eight function models, goes against Jung's interpretation. The "Second four" functions don't exist in Jungian traditional views because they are not repressed. Te and Ti are both thinking. There are not 8 functions, there are 4 that exist in two attitudes. An ENTJ doesn't repress Ti, the thinking function is just directed externally. The other four functions cause no unconscious stress like say the repressed function, they are simply lenses that are not employed.
@@AsuraPsych I'm aware. We've partially discussed this before...
But you can say all that, *in theory*, in practice, 8 function model (yeah yeah I'm aware of attitudes and what not but people say 8 for conveniences sake) is the only thing that takes account in practice... And actually, even Jung hints at the opposition of the functions in attitude equivalent to Beebe's Nemesis and critic position. He just never described this... Shit evolves bruh... Really the only difference in 8 function is that it models 75% of the shit you already say... You say they are simply lens that are not employed. Yes 8 function preaches that in a sense as well. But what happens when you are forced to employ them? There's no answer for that in traditional mbti. All 8 function is is an explanation of types perspectives of those opposing functions. But they are still all neglected and rejected and unvalued. That's all...
INTPs have a heart deep down.
the whole intellect is to hide it
There is basically almost nothing in common
If we look at every type, we see that each one has major differences.
@@chrisadam9080 Exactly. According to cognitive functions, every P-type is quite opposite to its "judging" counterpart. For example, I have yet not witnessed a significant similarity between me(infj) and infps.
Nope. they're both theorists, intellectuals, introverts, unemotional,...etc
@@ahmadnaguib9293 unemotional who? The INTJs no. INTPs yes
@@telemahostelemahou7406 Depends on your difinition but you get my point
Nice fro
What do you think about the INTP that had (Introverted iNtuition, Introverted Thinking, Thinking Perceiving and iNtuitive Perceiving) on their cognitive function..
I do really have it on the erickhtor.com test, before that i was tested in 16personality.com and got INTJ
Can someone help me to guess if im intj or intp? I did the test a month ago and i got intj, i read the description and i was sure that i was and intj, but for curiosity i did it again today and i get intp and i think it doesnt fit me well. I took it again and i got intp again. I think my intp changed because i read about mbti and unconsciously i changed it because i didnt like something about my type (but i really prefer intj over intp). Im very insecure so i was thinking about it all the day and i dont know what to do
Me too!! I did the test twice like ten months ago. And I got Intj. But today I did it again and I got Intp!! I don't know which one I am!!!