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I am an INTP Japanese woman and I get very emotional or angry when I’m too busy and pressured, not having enough time alone to search, process and organize my thoughts. Alone time and space make my emotion balanced.
Make allowances for cultural variations. The Westerners are control freaks with their taxonomies whilst, all the while, being completely oblivious to what they don’t even observe, let alone understand 😄
Fi is emotional impression. Fe is emotional expression. INTJs seem emotionless because they are inable to demonstrate their emotions. INTPs seem emotionless because they don't deem emotional expression of great importance on their behalf.
herra Nietzsche-Outinen this is a common misconception in the function world. Feeling and Thinking are deciders, meaning they make decisions based on how either they or the tribe feels/thinks. This has nothing to do with what the individual does with their emotions. Both Fi and Fe people are capable of expressing and internalizing emotions.
My statement was a bit of a generalisement, yes, but emotional expression is, what's needed to be in touch with the emotional sphere of people, isn't it. And, internal impression is accentuated, whilst making decisions based on your own feelings. So, I'm actually talking more worldview-and-habit-wise. I don't underestimate anyone's capabitities, naturally. INTJ
I'm an INTP and can really relate to what you just said. It's not like a can't express emotion. Instead it's like . . . . . buuut why would I want to express or have emotions? What use does it serve? I feel like if I ever do express emotion (very, very rarely), it's almost always when I am by myself so that it does not affect the outside world or society.
"Fi is emotional impression. Fe is emotional expression." That sounds right to me. The emotion of people on the Fi/Te axis surfaces when something they value is called into question. When something is important to them (Fi) they will present a logical argument on why that importance affects the exterior world (Te.) Now let's look at the Fe/Ti axis. Even in the intimacy of two people, what is important for the Fe user in connecting with others is establishing a "mood" or "vibe" in the external world. What the INTP lacks in social confidence is made up for by their confidence that they understand the world around them in a very functional way that most others do not. However, it's a common misconception that personalities don't care much for their inferior function, when in fact the opposite is true. The inferior function is valued - but it isn't comfortable ground either. It's meant to round out the personality and help them avoid getting trapped in their own ego. The healthy INTP (or ISTP for that matter) considers social pleasantries of importance for society to function.
I'm an INTP, and usually i don't feel the need to express emotions because it just seems unnecessary. Whenever people around me try to explain something to eachother and they get angry in the process, i'm like "Why the anger? Just say what needs to be said and stay calm." Tends to get the job done faster.
Thanks so much for all you do. I’m an INTJ married to an ENFP. We have created an INTP and an INFP (18 and 15). So many of your videos have had a major impact on our lives. I recommend your site to friends and family all the time. The recent video on perfectionism brought me to tears.
Interestingly any good friend I seem to get is an INTP and I wonder if other INTJs also seem to attract INTP friends? Those friendships almost always have a very strong sense of harmony and feel balanced with a lot of intuitive understanding between one-another. Naturally time does this but the combo just seems better than most.
I think its a mistake to associate 'emotion' or 'emotional display' with the Jungian rational 'feeling' function. Feeling in the Jungian sense is ethical, or moral-based decision making or good/bad, warm/cold type of sentiment when making decisions. Te can be very outwardly emotional, it can feel forceful, aggressive and angry (for ETJ types but also ITJ types), that is a clear display of emotion but it's not the 'feeling' function. Moreover, I think that if one understands what Jung meant by 'the most differentiated function', the difference between INTJs and INTPs will be quite clear. INTPs have thinking as their most differentiated function, meaning that INTPs use thinking on a stand-alone basis (strongly separate from feeling which thus suffers from being significantly weakened) while using intuition blended with fragments of other functions. Likewise, INTJs have intuition as their differentiated function, so we use intuition quite separately from all other function while our thinking is not clearly differentiatiated from feeling, thus we mix outward logical decisions (Te) with some personal sentiment (Fe). Not so for an e.g. ENTJ who use thinking (Te) differentiated from feeling and appears more cold and harsch than an INTJ does. I can even see this clearly when I (INTJ) work close to a colleague (ENTJ) - I'm way more long-term and visionary than he is although he understands vision, but he gets bored of it if it's not detailed and concrete enough (Ni is not strongly differentiated from Se for an ENTJ). But when we make decisions, I always want logically optimal outcomes but I'll always mix in some morale and personal sentiment into it, something that my ENTJ colleague doesn't do at all and he doesn't like when it's done - it should be strictly result oriented with 0% personal bias and no mentioning of morale whatsoever (clearly differentiated Te from inferior Fi).
That pretty spot on as my hubby as an INTJ will constantly internalize his emotions and will often have this more melancholic outlook towards the world, whilst I as an INTP’s will tend to express my emotions outwardly when under a lot of stress, whilst at the same time will have a much more Phlegmatic approach to the outside world and be more laid back
Thank you very much for the explanation! I struggled to understand before if I was for sure INTJ or INTP. Tests have shown borderline INTP results. Now I’m more certain that I am definitely an INTJ.
I thought I was a healthy INTP until seeing this. You’re supposed to process your emotions? I always thought you were supposed to evaluate them until you don’t feel them anymore.
I don't understand how INTP's think not facing your emotions is logical. I don't understand how dismissing another person's emotions is acceptable just because it's seen as logical for an INTP to avoid their own emotions for self preservation.
@@aleshawardle3301 it's not even conscious, it's first nature to us. Most of the time we are not aware of what we feel until it has gotten to the point is affecting our daily life, and that's when we vent and let it all out.
@@emthis22 that makes sense, I suppose it's hard to me to relate but at the same time a weakness of mine as an INFJ is that I see everything through analysing emotions and I become overtaxed taking in everyone's emotions. How do you deal or comprehend someone who gets upset to the point of crying over their emotions?
Lol, I got shown an emotion wheel two years ago and thought "I should spend time just going thru each one of these," but still haven't gotten around to doing it. Clearly INTP!
I am tested as an INTJ, and my daughter as an INTP - although I may be considered to have less tendency to display emotion, my daughter is very affectionate - I think she displays the emotional aspect (i.e. externally) a lot more in terms of personality characteristics. And yes, I agree we all have emotions, and INTJ may perhaps be quite strong - it is similarly internalised and so is often not seen - though it is there and quite strong (and apparently stronger than INTP).
Terrific! I'm so misunderstood this way. I do not throw temper tandrums nor are my emotions externally forthcoming but I do suffer emotionally in the quiet space of my own self. I am so glad I came upon your videos and website! Xo
This is helpful. I always type as intp when taking the tests, but recently learned more about functions. When testing functions I come out as intj. My lowest function is Fe. I relate to both. So I'm either a goal oriented intp, or a procrastinating intj.
I'm an INTP and relate to neither of these explanations. Perhaps it is due to a more developed Fe or perhaps I have intentionally blinded myself to my Fi ( 8th place on my function stack) as a defense mechanism. For example; I can experience the emotions of others and understand them more completely (through my subjective perception, of course) than my own. It seems that the only way in which I can identify or express my emotion is through some artistic expression and the only things that elicit an emotional response are abstract and deeply philosophical films or writings that I can cognitively identify with, but the emotion seems to appear out of nowhere and is usually unidentifiable (i.e. external stimuli eliciting an unidentifiable internal response that, 99% of the time does not manifest in any outward manner).
I can relate to your comment. I've always tested as INTP, but with a higher feeling score (55% T; 45% F). I feel like I have a high capacity for empathy and intuitively understanding and absorbing the emotions of others, yet I have a lot of difficulty discerning how I feel and it takes me a long time to figure it out. These two seeming inconsistencies led me to consider the possibility that I'm actually INFP, which is what spurred my research into typology. I now understand the faults with the MBTI test and oversimplified dichotomies. Once I realized the difference between Fi and Fe, as well as the implications of Fe inferior and Fi demon, it started to make more sense. The inferior function can also be aspirational. So I came to the same conclusion you did -- that I'm an INTP who has developed my Fe more than other INTPs due to my life experiences.
I'm totally an INTP its crazy -_- I'm very child like and when I'm annoyed its easily noticable and especially when I'm very depress my temper tantrums are sort of insane. I seem emotionless in peoples eyes in a way that I dont care about a lot of social norms things or I could sustain one type of emotions even when I'm provoked to do something else. Honestly a lot of people probably subconciously could tell that I'm an INTP, but I secretly want to be an ISFP. Because of the temper tantrum tendencies, I like to think of myself as a feeler. Although I always feel somehow disengage with my feelings in terms of bodily sensations. Before I'm depress I usually flaunt my INTP quirkiness unapolegetically like Albert E to connect with others, but because now I'm depress borderline psychosis connection becomes a struggle :(
I'm disappointed and irritated with myself. I have a tendency to channel my emotions inwardly and if I am not alone in order to properly process my emotions I either push them down to deal with later or it comes out and I am angered that I didn't control myself. This makes me believe that I am INTP...which would be disappointing. I prefer to process things and fully understand and center myself without anyone knowing than have everyone aware.
Hmm, I wouldn't say I'm necessarily an expert on this subject but I have done research on MBTI for about 7 years now so I might be somewhat qualified to speak about this. From your comment, it seems to me that you're just an INTJ that hasn't fully developed their Fi function yet. As a fellow INTJ I have had similar experiences when I was younger, as I tended to ignore my feelings if I didn't spend time alone processing them. It took me a good few years to become comfortable dealing with, and even fully experiencing my emotions as I used to believe emotions were irrational and were of no use to me (harsh I know, but that's how immature I was as a kid/teen). I think it's very important for an INTJ to take the time to inwardly process their emotions because if we don't take this time, we can't rationalize the emotions, and if something is irrational, we tend to want to ignore it because we think they are invalid. And if we don't properly address our emotions internally, then we cannot fully move past them which can lead to emotional outbursts if we encounter some kind of trigger (similar to how passive aggressive behaviours and bottlyin up emotions can lead to people becoming extremely emotional when exposed to slight triggers). Also, from my research, many have said that INTJs tend to have weak Fi in childhoood and into their 20s until they mature later on in their lives (usually at age 30+), so if you are younger than 30, it would this. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this properly but I think (at least from my understanding so far of the differences between INTJs and INTPs) is that INTJs NEED to take the time to inwardly process their emotions to rationalize them and that INTJS are COMFORTABLE/better equipped to do so, whereas INTPs are less comfortable dealing with their emotions and to deal with them, they need support EXTERNALLY from people around them to help work through their emotions. Sorry for the long comment but hopefully that makes sense and helps clear things up! :)
This was really insightful, I really enjoy the videos and podcasts you guys put out. As an INTP I believe that for extraverted feeling I am relying on my Si function alot especially when having to deal with issues effecting the emotions of others. Subsequently it's something that has improved with age as I've gained more past experiences and incidents that I can draw upon to understand what I should do and how others might be feeling. But it's definitely not an organic reactionary process and remains a weakness. The temper tantrum bit is (unfortunately) pretty accurate even though I'm in my 30s.....
Recently, my intuition led me towards uncovering this wheel while researching ways to reestablish emotional balance through accurately determining my values. I can attribute the emotional wheel/compass to a significant breakthrough in my quest for personal development and better mental health. For me, it became more like a tool used to identify those core values which internal conflicts utilize when camouflaging underneath relatively thin layers of self-denial and false projection. I found that by addressing these potential issues from an appropriate emotional perspective, I was able to experience my authentic self in a more gratifying way. It's true whenever they say denying how you feel is denying who you are. However, I had no idea the extent of the damage in which I allowed to go entirely unchecked for too long and how it would ultimately end up taking away from the person that I am. Mainly, I "choose" to exist on one side of the emotional spectrum; and when faced with specific emotional challenges, I would hardly acknowledge or even embrace them as being part of the overall process towards finding a better solution. I have to say it was genuinely impressive to consider things in that sense and that I know better now than to deny myself of these fundamental needs and wants.
It's hard to find this information, but if you search you may be able to find it: INTJ is considered to be Ni Te Fi Se INTP is considered to be Ti Ne Si Fe - one misunderstanding is that people think that the 'J' in INTJ relates to judging for INTJs. However this appears to not be the case.
I always test on the cusp of an INTP and an INTJ, with one or the other coming up. The more detailed analysis shows that I am INTP on some factors, and INTJ on other. Usually comes out as marginally INTJ, but not always. How are we supposed to evaluate the two different ways for address the personality when most pundits treating them both as completely different.
I don’t express emotion around others often, but when I am either by myself or with my lifetime friend, I sometimes act like an ENTP. I don’t intentionally suppress or express emotions, but it just so happens that sometimes I act quite happy-go-lucky- but a less loud, less obnoxious way. This sounds very much like an INTP. However, I am quite in-touch with my emotions. I have much more self-awareness than most people around me; I can recognize an emotion’s future pathway (what I will feel shortly after, what it would lead to, etc) as soon as the feeling hits. My INTP friend, however, is quite oblivious to what his current emotions would lead to. Anyone have a clue whether this a INTP or INTJ trait? Edit: The people around me describe those rare emotional states as quite pure, childlike, and cutely vulnerable (much to my disdain).
If it bothers you that much what other people think when you show emotion, that seems like an Fi (introverted feeling) issue, so INTJ. The fact that you sometimes act "out of character" doesn't mean much; MBTI is about your preferred mode of operation.
You actually sound like you could be an INFP. Especially with the additional information. "Cute, pure, childlike, vulnerable"... all sounds like an INFP, although "childlike" can also describe INTPs. One of my favorite RUclipsrs says you "die of cuteness" when interacting with an INFP; it's like cute-overload. INFPs are also more concerned with being authentic and understanding their own emotions and what others think of them. They can generally tell whether people like them or not, and due to inferior Te, can sometimes have the same disorganization as an INTP, but with more sensitivity towards what people think about them. They revel in being unique. Your rare emotional expression could be due more to your leading with an introverted feeling function. Yet the deep understanding you purport of your own emotions seems to suggest high Fi. INFPs actually have 2 of the same cognitive functions as INTJ -- Fi and Te, but in different order, and the Ne parent and Si child that INTPs have in the exact same position. So since it sounds like you use Fi and Te, the question is: do you use Ne or Ni? And do you use Se or Si? Inferior Se in an INTJ tends to manifest as performance anxiety, while tertiary Si in an INFP (AND INTP) tends to manifest as a desire for comfort and to receive rather than give sensation (you can even view this through the lens of sexuality, whether you prefer being a bottom or sub, or top/dom). Si child also likes routine (like eating your favorite food every day), but Ne tends to drive a desire for exploring new possibilities every so often. If you use Ne, you will see many different possibilities in the near future, and perhaps be able to predict what _others_ are about to do, or what is about to happen in the _external_ world. Ni on the other hand, sees deep into your own future and tends to pursue a singular path or goal, rather than being distracted by so many possibilities and jumping from hobby to hobby once you get bored, as tends to happen with Ne. The Ni/Se perceiving axis also tends to interpret things literally, while Ne/Si tends to be metaphorical. If you relate more to Ne and Si, I'd say INFP. If you relate more to Ni and Se, you might be an INTJ with highly active Fi... but most INTJs I know aren't bubbly and cute 🤷♀️
and what if I am imagining a conversation with someone, where I express myself? At least in that moment I feel understood, yet I'm not engaging that topic in real life because I just know that either i won't be able to express it clearly enough or even if I will, nobody will get what I mean
INTPs would see the feelings wheel as a bunch of things they have to experience for themselves with other people at some point in their life. They wouldn’t really worry at all when seeing that wheel and not understanding all the emotions. As extroverted feeling is their 3 year old, they really don’t see much of a reason to use harmony ever because introverted thinking will push them more towards convenience, or what makes sense for THEM, therefore they just aren’t super motivated to understand something like a feelings wheel.
Brilliant answer - video is bullshit for intps.... I'm intp and she's spilling refuse from a bin..... intps have tantrums... incorrect. Childlike incorrect. Intps ignore the video...... its horse manure.... however the feelings wheel could be useful in specific circumstance. I would only bother with the internal circle the rest is overboards....
Well my nephew is INTP and I different with Her. She not much concern Orher People feeling. And I think INFP not to care with negative emotion. INTJ may Dwell on negative emotion for a long time and try to suppress it but try to not show emotion.
i still don't know and it makes me very sad and almost anxious. i may be an intp and i may be an intj, it's so hard to tell because i can't agree with "emotionless looking". i'm a totally opposite, i can cry in front of people (and basically look very sad), i can laugh out loud and jump because something made me happy, i can be very angry and make people think that i have some anger issues or something. so i don't know. +sorry for any possible mistakes (i hope there are none but... you know), english isn't my first language
From my experience, INTJs are a lot more sensitive than INTPs and the others from the intellectual temperament. This is partially due to their introverted feeling being tertiary. So they can't exactly suppress it. To add, I generally believe introverted functions are stronger than extroverted functions. My theory to tell the difference between these two types is to ask yourself, "are you stubborn in your moral values?". If you say yes, then you're probably an INTJ. I say this because as an INTP, I'm more rational with my moral beliefs, so therefore more flexible. As I am more logical with my emotions, partially due to my feeling being inferior.
Umm… I’m not sure how I feel about this (😄 just joking. I know how I feel, I just don’t know how best to adapt it to the audience). How one feels has a huge cultural component as the cultural models provide definition for identification of emotion as well as normative channels for expression of emotion. Though there are universal, biologically determined ones (the ones in the centre- happy, disgust, etc), the shades and combinations thereof are cultural products created through use of language. That chart is a reflection of the English language. One language amongst many others that has imprinted in it the valuations of each sub- set. Take for example, ‘peaceful’ as subset of ‘happy’. What the heck do these two mean? And, more importantly, what do they mean to the other? I have been born in a non- Western culture with its own definitions and I’ve lived in Britain. I love Brits to bits, but I have many times struggled with expression of emotions in my interactions with them, not because I have a disability, but because I have had to translate my inner emotional experience into a form they could perceive and understand, thus preserving the meaning of the emotion. The Anglo- Saxon cultures are not very rich in this respect- they have few preset categories and rather dysfunctional patterns. Take my beloved Brits, for example. Are they pissed off? They get pissed. Are they happy? They get pissed. What they call stiff upper- lip polite stoicism I call I (😃 I will keep this Freudian slip ‘I’ here as it’s accurate. Oh, dear 😄) repressed anger, frustration, and resignation. Also, what Americans call amazing I call empty verbal tick. (Yes, I do generalise, but hey, why should only the psychologists be allowed to?). It took me a long while to understand that ‘interesting’ and ‘amazing’ were neither ‘interesting’ nor ‘amazing’, (and so I developed an interest in cognitive linguistics with its pragmatics 😄). As internal model… I have my own with elements from a few languages. One really thinks and feels differently in different languages. I use different cognitive schematas to make sense of what I feel depending on many factors- internal and external/ circumstantial, then I try to express them in accordance with the schematas of those around me- which is a terribly frustrating effort that doesn’t always pay off. After all, I am fairly certain that should Sartre, Kant, Hesse, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Lao Tzu, or a shaman from an African tribe live in the West, they would be promptly admitted into a mental health institution (Foucault, anyone? 😁). Hence, my recommendation that children and young people are exposed to a variety of healthy cultural models. If nothing else, this will put the bases for a more varied and nuanced emotional life, enhanced ability to empathise, and learn to respect cultural and individual differences. My final point? Do not mistake contextual difficulty with emotion translation and expression (in both verbal and non- verbal languages) for disability. Using ‘f*ck’ is a reflection of me giving a f*ck. Don’t mistake your inability to grasp intentionality and purpose behind my communication for me lacking insight or restraint. It’s insulting. PS- One of my favourite books (if not THE favourite one) which I unreservedly recommend? David Bohm’s Wholeness and the Implicate Order (with the genuinely genial idea of rheomode). Yeah, I have my innovative ideas such as blending Bohm’s metaphorical frame with hieroglyphic script (not that anyone cared- speaking about the ineffable and incommunicability 😄).
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Thanks for the great video, after going down the rabbit hole, you’ve helped me conclude that I am an INTP and not an INTJ.
I am an INTP Japanese woman and I get very emotional or angry when I’m too busy and pressured, not having enough time alone to search, process and organize my thoughts. Alone time and space make my emotion balanced.
Make allowances for cultural variations. The Westerners are control freaks with their taxonomies whilst, all the while, being completely oblivious to what they don’t even observe, let alone understand 😄
Fi is emotional impression.
Fe is emotional expression.
INTJs seem emotionless because they are inable to demonstrate their emotions.
INTPs seem emotionless because they don't deem emotional expression of great importance on their behalf.
herra Nietzsche-Outinen this is a common misconception in the function world. Feeling and Thinking are deciders, meaning they make decisions based on how either they or the tribe feels/thinks. This has nothing to do with what the individual does with their emotions. Both Fi and Fe people are capable of expressing and internalizing emotions.
My statement was a bit of a generalisement, yes, but emotional expression is, what's needed to be in touch with the emotional sphere of people, isn't it.
And, internal impression is accentuated, whilst making decisions based on your own feelings.
So, I'm actually talking more worldview-and-habit-wise. I don't underestimate anyone's capabitities, naturally.
INTJ
I'm an INTP and can really relate to what you just said. It's not like a can't express emotion. Instead it's like . . . . . buuut why would I want to express or have emotions? What use does it serve? I feel like if I ever do express emotion (very, very rarely), it's almost always when I am by myself so that it does not affect the outside world or society.
"Fi is emotional impression.
Fe is emotional expression."
That sounds right to me.
The emotion of people on the Fi/Te axis surfaces when something they value is called into question. When something is important to them (Fi) they will present a logical argument on why that importance affects the exterior world (Te.)
Now let's look at the Fe/Ti axis. Even in the intimacy of two people, what is important for the Fe user in connecting with others is establishing a "mood" or "vibe" in the external world. What the INTP lacks in social confidence is made up for by their confidence that they understand the world around them in a very functional way that most others do not.
However, it's a common misconception that personalities don't care much for their inferior function, when in fact the opposite is true. The inferior function is valued - but it isn't comfortable ground either. It's meant to round out the personality and help them avoid getting trapped in their own ego. The healthy INTP (or ISTP for that matter) considers social pleasantries of importance for society to function.
I'm an INTP, and usually i don't feel the need to express emotions because it just seems unnecessary. Whenever people around me try to explain something to eachother and they get angry in the process, i'm like "Why the anger? Just say what needs to be said and stay calm." Tends to get the job done faster.
Thanks so much for all you do. I’m an INTJ married to an ENFP. We have created an INTP and an INFP (18 and 15). So many of your videos have had a major impact on our lives. I recommend your site to friends and family all the time. The recent video on perfectionism brought me to tears.
You guys are amazing, I as an INTJ absolutely love this channel. It's like I was exploring YT and found a gold chest.
Your little personal story is making my INTJ scream inside
Interestingly any good friend I seem to get is an INTP and I wonder if other INTJs also seem to attract INTP friends? Those friendships almost always have a very strong sense of harmony and feel balanced with a lot of intuitive understanding between one-another. Naturally time does this but the combo just seems better than most.
INTJs give me the all the freedom I want. In my experience though, I can say that an INTP and INFJ combo is also a good and stimulating.
I’m an INTP married to an INTJ. I agree with your experience.
I think its a mistake to associate 'emotion' or 'emotional display' with the Jungian rational 'feeling' function. Feeling in the Jungian sense is ethical, or moral-based decision making or good/bad, warm/cold type of sentiment when making decisions. Te can be very outwardly emotional, it can feel forceful, aggressive and angry (for ETJ types but also ITJ types), that is a clear display of emotion but it's not the 'feeling' function.
Moreover, I think that if one understands what Jung meant by 'the most differentiated function', the difference between INTJs and INTPs will be quite clear. INTPs have thinking as their most differentiated function, meaning that INTPs use thinking on a stand-alone basis (strongly separate from feeling which thus suffers from being significantly weakened) while using intuition blended with fragments of other functions. Likewise, INTJs have intuition as their differentiated function, so we use intuition quite separately from all other function while our thinking is not clearly differentiatiated from feeling, thus we mix outward logical decisions (Te) with some personal sentiment (Fe). Not so for an e.g. ENTJ who use thinking (Te) differentiated from feeling and appears more cold and harsch than an INTJ does.
I can even see this clearly when I (INTJ) work close to a colleague (ENTJ) - I'm way more long-term and visionary than he is although he understands vision, but he gets bored of it if it's not detailed and concrete enough (Ni is not strongly differentiated from Se for an ENTJ). But when we make decisions, I always want logically optimal outcomes but I'll always mix in some morale and personal sentiment into it, something that my ENTJ colleague doesn't do at all and he doesn't like when it's done - it should be strictly result oriented with 0% personal bias and no mentioning of morale whatsoever (clearly differentiated Te from inferior Fi).
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thank you so much. this clears up a lot of the misconceptions I see so many people making in terms of jungian functions
youre welcome
Do you have a MBTI blog or so? I want to read further into your ideas
This comment is very insightful, thank you
That pretty spot on as my hubby as an INTJ will constantly internalize his emotions and will often have this more melancholic outlook towards the world, whilst I as an INTP’s will tend to express my emotions outwardly when under a lot of stress, whilst at the same time will have a much more Phlegmatic approach to the outside world and be more laid back
Thank you very much for the explanation! I struggled to understand before if I was for sure INTJ or INTP. Tests have shown borderline INTP results. Now I’m more certain that I am definitely an INTJ.
I thought I was a healthy INTP until seeing this. You’re supposed to process your emotions? I always thought you were supposed to evaluate them until you don’t feel them anymore.
Haha same!
Wait, what's the difference between processing emotions and evaluating them?
I don't understand how INTP's think not facing your emotions is logical. I don't understand how dismissing another person's emotions is acceptable just because it's seen as logical for an INTP to avoid their own emotions for self preservation.
@@aleshawardle3301 it's not even conscious, it's first nature to us. Most of the time we are not aware of what we feel until it has gotten to the point is affecting our daily life, and that's when we vent and let it all out.
@@emthis22 that makes sense, I suppose it's hard to me to relate but at the same time a weakness of mine as an INFJ is that I see everything through analysing emotions and I become overtaxed taking in everyone's emotions. How do you deal or comprehend someone who gets upset to the point of crying over their emotions?
Lol, I got shown an emotion wheel two years ago and thought "I should spend time just going thru each one of these," but still haven't gotten around to doing it. Clearly INTP!
Hahaha... Did you go trough the wheel yet? I saw it on the the video and instantly scheduled it somewhere in the future.
I am tested as an INTJ, and my daughter as an INTP - although I may be considered to have less tendency to display emotion, my daughter is very affectionate - I think she displays the emotional aspect (i.e. externally) a lot more in terms of personality characteristics. And yes, I agree we all have emotions, and INTJ may perhaps be quite strong - it is similarly internalised and so is often not seen - though it is there and quite strong (and apparently stronger than INTP).
Intp here... love this series.
Thank you so much!
Terrific! I'm so misunderstood this way. I do not throw temper tandrums nor are my emotions externally forthcoming but I do suffer emotionally in the quiet space of my own self. I am so glad I came upon your videos and website! Xo
This is helpful. I always type as intp when taking the tests, but recently learned more about functions. When testing functions I come out as intj. My lowest function is Fe. I relate to both. So I'm either a goal oriented intp, or a procrastinating intj.
thankyou this was a very clear separation of their differences
Thank you for this video. I’m definitely an INTP.
When ever someone I trust (friends/gf) ask’s me what/how I’m feeling. My response is almost always I need to think about that for a second lol 😂
I'm an INTP and relate to neither of these explanations. Perhaps it is due to a more developed Fe or perhaps I have intentionally blinded myself to my Fi ( 8th place on my function stack) as a defense mechanism. For example; I can experience the emotions of others and understand them more completely (through my subjective perception, of course) than my own. It seems that the only way in which I can identify or express my emotion is through some artistic expression and the only things that elicit an emotional response are abstract and deeply philosophical films or writings that I can cognitively identify with, but the emotion seems to appear out of nowhere and is usually unidentifiable (i.e. external stimuli eliciting an unidentifiable internal response that, 99% of the time does not manifest in any outward manner).
I can relate to your comment. I've always tested as INTP, but with a higher feeling score (55% T; 45% F). I feel like I have a high capacity for empathy and intuitively understanding and absorbing the emotions of others, yet I have a lot of difficulty discerning how I feel and it takes me a long time to figure it out. These two seeming inconsistencies led me to consider the possibility that I'm actually INFP, which is what spurred my research into typology. I now understand the faults with the MBTI test and oversimplified dichotomies. Once I realized the difference between Fi and Fe, as well as the implications of Fe inferior and Fi demon, it started to make more sense. The inferior function can also be aspirational. So I came to the same conclusion you did -- that I'm an INTP who has developed my Fe more than other INTPs due to my life experiences.
I'm totally an INTP its crazy -_- I'm very child like and when I'm annoyed its easily noticable and especially when I'm very depress my temper tantrums are sort of insane. I seem emotionless in peoples eyes in a way that I dont care about a lot of social norms things or I could sustain one type of emotions even when I'm provoked to do something else. Honestly a lot of people probably subconciously could tell that I'm an INTP, but I secretly want to be an ISFP. Because of the temper tantrum tendencies, I like to think of myself as a feeler. Although I always feel somehow disengage with my feelings in terms of bodily sensations. Before I'm depress I usually flaunt my INTP quirkiness unapolegetically like Albert E to connect with others, but because now I'm depress borderline psychosis connection becomes a struggle :(
I wondered If i was INTJ, but I'm childishly emotional at times of great stress (I'm consistantly working on it). Thank you
I'm disappointed and irritated with myself. I have a tendency to channel my emotions inwardly and if I am not alone in order to properly process my emotions I either push them down to deal with later or it comes out and I am angered that I didn't control myself. This makes me believe that I am INTP...which would be disappointing. I prefer to process things and fully understand and center myself without anyone knowing than have everyone aware.
Hmm, I wouldn't say I'm necessarily an expert on this subject but I have done research on MBTI for about 7 years now so I might be somewhat qualified to speak about this. From your comment, it seems to me that you're just an INTJ that hasn't fully developed their Fi function yet. As a fellow INTJ I have had similar experiences when I was younger, as I tended to ignore my feelings if I didn't spend time alone processing them. It took me a good few years to become comfortable dealing with, and even fully experiencing my emotions as I used to believe emotions were irrational and were of no use to me (harsh I know, but that's how immature I was as a kid/teen). I think it's very important for an INTJ to take the time to inwardly process their emotions because if we don't take this time, we can't rationalize the emotions, and if something is irrational, we tend to want to ignore it because we think they are invalid. And if we don't properly address our emotions internally, then we cannot fully move past them which can lead to emotional outbursts if we encounter some kind of trigger (similar to how passive aggressive behaviours and bottlyin up emotions can lead to people becoming extremely emotional when exposed to slight triggers). Also, from my research, many have said that INTJs tend to have weak Fi in childhoood and into their 20s until they mature later on in their lives (usually at age 30+), so if you are younger than 30, it would this. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this properly but I think (at least from my understanding so far of the differences between INTJs and INTPs) is that INTJs NEED to take the time to inwardly process their emotions to rationalize them and that INTJS are COMFORTABLE/better equipped to do so, whereas INTPs are less comfortable dealing with their emotions and to deal with them, they need support EXTERNALLY from people around them to help work through their emotions. Sorry for the long comment but hopefully that makes sense and helps clear things up! :)
This was really insightful, I really enjoy the videos and podcasts you guys put out. As an INTP I believe that for extraverted feeling I am relying on my Si function alot especially when having to deal with issues effecting the emotions of others. Subsequently it's something that has improved with age as I've gained more past experiences and incidents that I can draw upon to understand what I should do and how others might be feeling. But it's definitely not an organic reactionary process and remains a weakness. The temper tantrum bit is (unfortunately) pretty accurate even though I'm in my 30s.....
Recently, my intuition led me towards uncovering this wheel while researching ways to reestablish emotional balance through accurately determining my values. I can attribute the emotional wheel/compass to a significant breakthrough in my quest for personal development and better mental health. For me, it became more like a tool used to identify those core values which internal conflicts utilize when camouflaging underneath relatively thin layers of self-denial and false projection. I found that by addressing these potential issues from an appropriate emotional perspective, I was able to experience my authentic self in a more gratifying way. It's true whenever they say denying how you feel is denying who you are. However, I had no idea the extent of the damage in which I allowed to go entirely unchecked for too long and how it would ultimately end up taking away from the person that I am. Mainly, I
"choose" to exist on one side of the emotional spectrum; and when faced with specific emotional challenges, I would hardly acknowledge or even embrace them as being part of the overall process towards finding a better solution. I have to say it was genuinely impressive to consider things in that sense and that I know better now than to deny myself of these fundamental needs and wants.
Intriguing... One question: How do you conclude that INTJ uses introverted feeling and INTP uses extroverted feeling?
It's hard to find this information, but if you search you may be able to find it:
INTJ is considered to be Ni Te Fi Se
INTP is considered to be Ti Ne Si Fe
- one misunderstanding is that people think that the 'J' in INTJ relates to judging for INTJs. However this appears to not be the case.
Yep, what the other guy said. Look up cognitive functions/stack for these mbti types.
I always test on the cusp of an INTP and an INTJ, with one or the other coming up. The more detailed analysis shows that I am INTP on some factors, and INTJ on other. Usually comes out as marginally INTJ, but not always.
How are we supposed to evaluate the two different ways for address the personality when most pundits treating them both as completely different.
Spot on explanation! Totally describes me (INTJ) and my brother (INTP). :)
Nice name you got there. So called INTJ.
6:15 1st question emotional but 2nd internal
Based on this video I think I am an intj but I’ve gotten intp multiple times on tests.
I don’t express emotion around others often, but when I am either by myself or with my lifetime friend, I sometimes act like an ENTP. I don’t intentionally suppress or express emotions, but it just so happens that sometimes I act quite happy-go-lucky- but a less loud, less obnoxious way. This sounds very much like an INTP. However, I am quite in-touch with my emotions. I have much more self-awareness than most people around me; I can recognize an emotion’s future pathway (what I will feel shortly after, what it would lead to, etc) as soon as the feeling hits. My INTP friend, however, is quite oblivious to what his current emotions would lead to. Anyone have a clue whether this a INTP or INTJ trait?
Edit: The people around me describe those rare emotional states as quite pure, childlike, and cutely vulnerable (much to my disdain).
If it bothers you that much what other people think when you show emotion, that seems like an Fi (introverted feeling) issue, so INTJ. The fact that you sometimes act "out of character" doesn't mean much; MBTI is about your preferred mode of operation.
You actually sound like you could be an INFP. Especially with the additional information. "Cute, pure, childlike, vulnerable"... all sounds like an INFP, although "childlike" can also describe INTPs. One of my favorite RUclipsrs says you "die of cuteness" when interacting with an INFP; it's like cute-overload. INFPs are also more concerned with being authentic and understanding their own emotions and what others think of them. They can generally tell whether people like them or not, and due to inferior Te, can sometimes have the same disorganization as an INTP, but with more sensitivity towards what people think about them. They revel in being unique. Your rare emotional expression could be due more to your leading with an introverted feeling function. Yet the deep understanding you purport of your own emotions seems to suggest high Fi.
INFPs actually have 2 of the same cognitive functions as INTJ -- Fi and Te, but in different order, and the Ne parent and Si child that INTPs have in the exact same position. So since it sounds like you use Fi and Te, the question is: do you use Ne or Ni? And do you use Se or Si? Inferior Se in an INTJ tends to manifest as performance anxiety, while tertiary Si in an INFP (AND INTP) tends to manifest as a desire for comfort and to receive rather than give sensation (you can even view this through the lens of sexuality, whether you prefer being a bottom or sub, or top/dom). Si child also likes routine (like eating your favorite food every day), but Ne tends to drive a desire for exploring new possibilities every so often. If you use Ne, you will see many different possibilities in the near future, and perhaps be able to predict what _others_ are about to do, or what is about to happen in the _external_ world. Ni on the other hand, sees deep into your own future and tends to pursue a singular path or goal, rather than being distracted by so many possibilities and jumping from hobby to hobby once you get bored, as tends to happen with Ne. The Ni/Se perceiving axis also tends to interpret things literally, while Ne/Si tends to be metaphorical.
If you relate more to Ne and Si, I'd say INFP. If you relate more to Ni and Se, you might be an INTJ with highly active Fi... but most INTJs I know aren't bubbly and cute 🤷♀️
and what if I am imagining a conversation with someone, where I express myself? At least in that moment I feel understood, yet I'm not engaging that topic in real life because I just know that either i won't be able to express it clearly enough or even if I will, nobody will get what I mean
INTPs would see the feelings wheel as a bunch of things they have to experience for themselves with other people at some point in their life. They wouldn’t really worry at all when seeing that wheel and not understanding all the emotions. As extroverted feeling is their 3 year old, they really don’t see much of a reason to use harmony ever because introverted thinking will push them more towards convenience, or what makes sense for THEM, therefore they just aren’t super motivated to understand something like a feelings wheel.
glenda! perfectly true! who wants to waste time with the wheel crap! or listen to this long winded boring video!
I thought it was just an infograph... I didn't know it was something people "used".
Brilliant answer - video is bullshit for intps.... I'm intp and she's spilling refuse from a bin..... intps have tantrums... incorrect. Childlike incorrect. Intps ignore the video...... its horse manure.... however the feelings wheel could be useful in specific circumstance. I would only bother with the internal circle the rest is overboards....
Bro I tried to make a plan of what to do for each emotion when I felt it like 2 years ago. Progress is a beautiful thing😂😂😂😂
I just retook my personality test on personality hacker and I got INTJ.... so am here watching this. Last time I got an INTP
Well, i want to watch that but my "P" is so high so.. I just added "going to watch" series.
My dad's INTJ and i am INTP well...
Can someone explain what that Fe Ti Te N whatever thing is, are the abbreviations or something?
Fe-Extroverted Feeling Ti-Introverted Thinking N-iNtuition. (Hope it helps.)
Awesome
Nice video with really good explanations, thank you!
4:07 I definitely agree with what you said here about INTPs
As an INTJ, I do the "Litmus Test".
Well my nephew is INTP and I different with Her. She not much concern Orher People feeling.
And I think INFP not to care with negative emotion.
INTJ may Dwell on negative emotion for a long time and try to suppress it but try to not show emotion.
Come to Australia for a meet up...... please please pleeeeeeeeeeeease 🤗
Im litterally an INTX I do most of this
i still don't know and it makes me very sad and almost anxious. i may be an intp and i may be an intj, it's so hard to tell because i can't agree with "emotionless looking". i'm a totally opposite, i can cry in front of people (and basically look very sad), i can laugh out loud and jump because something made me happy, i can be very angry and make people think that i have some anger issues or something. so i don't know.
+sorry for any possible mistakes (i hope there are none but... you know), english isn't my first language
My tantrums are legendary, i guess this solidifys the fact that i'm INTP
Same.
Oh, Lord. 😬
From my experience, INTJs are a lot more sensitive than INTPs and the others from the intellectual temperament. This is partially due to their introverted feeling being tertiary. So they can't exactly suppress it.
To add, I generally believe introverted functions are stronger than extroverted functions. My theory to tell the difference between these two types is to ask yourself, "are you stubborn in your moral values?". If you say yes, then you're probably an INTJ. I say this because as an INTP, I'm more rational with my moral beliefs, so therefore more flexible. As I am more logical with my emotions, partially due to my feeling being inferior.
If you do not know, you are probably an INTP.
Umm… I’m not sure how I feel about this (😄 just joking. I know how I feel, I just don’t know how best to adapt it to the audience).
How one feels has a huge cultural component as the cultural models provide definition for identification of emotion as well as normative channels for expression of emotion. Though there are universal, biologically determined ones (the ones in the centre- happy, disgust, etc), the shades and combinations thereof are cultural products created through use of language. That chart is a reflection of the English language. One language amongst many others that has imprinted in it the valuations of each sub- set. Take for example, ‘peaceful’ as subset of ‘happy’. What the heck do these two mean? And, more importantly, what do they mean to the other?
I have been born in a non- Western culture with its own definitions and I’ve lived in Britain. I love Brits to bits, but I have many times struggled with expression of emotions in my interactions with them, not because I have a disability, but because I have had to translate my inner emotional experience into a form they could perceive and understand, thus preserving the meaning of the emotion. The Anglo- Saxon cultures are not very rich in this respect- they have few preset categories and rather dysfunctional patterns. Take my beloved Brits, for example. Are they pissed off? They get pissed. Are they happy? They get pissed. What they call stiff upper- lip polite stoicism I call I (😃 I will keep this Freudian slip ‘I’ here as it’s accurate. Oh, dear 😄) repressed anger, frustration, and resignation. Also, what Americans call amazing I call empty verbal tick. (Yes, I do generalise, but hey, why should only the psychologists be allowed to?). It took me a long while to understand that ‘interesting’ and ‘amazing’ were neither ‘interesting’ nor ‘amazing’, (and so I developed an interest in cognitive linguistics with its pragmatics 😄).
As internal model… I have my own with elements from a few languages. One really thinks and feels differently in different languages. I use different cognitive schematas to make sense of what I feel depending on many factors- internal and external/ circumstantial, then I try to express them in accordance with the schematas of those around me- which is a terribly frustrating effort that doesn’t always pay off. After all, I am fairly certain that should Sartre, Kant, Hesse, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Lao Tzu, or a shaman from an African tribe live in the West, they would be promptly admitted into a mental health institution (Foucault, anyone? 😁). Hence, my recommendation that children and young people are exposed to a variety of healthy cultural models. If nothing else, this will put the bases for a more varied and nuanced emotional life, enhanced ability to empathise, and learn to respect cultural and individual differences.
My final point? Do not mistake contextual difficulty with emotion translation and expression (in both verbal and non- verbal languages) for disability. Using ‘f*ck’ is a reflection of me giving a f*ck. Don’t mistake your inability to grasp intentionality and purpose behind my communication for me lacking insight or restraint. It’s insulting.
PS- One of my favourite books (if not THE favourite one) which I unreservedly recommend? David Bohm’s Wholeness and the Implicate Order (with the genuinely genial idea of rheomode). Yeah, I have my innovative ideas such as blending Bohm’s metaphorical frame with hieroglyphic script (not that anyone cared- speaking about the ineffable and incommunicability 😄).