The Nasuverse is just on another level man, only other person that's on par with Nasu is Tolkien. These 2 have just actually functionally created an actual universe with damn near as much detail as our own if not more 😭😭😭also amazing videos man I love when you do breakdown/explanation/review videos like this, keep up the good work 👍
It's probably the only fictional verse I'm actively interested in learning more about and seeing everything tie together. It is so interesting how it goes pretty in depth with not just base level magic, but also how magic can be made up of or influence abstract concepts. Thank you, it means a lot! I will continue to do my best!
I would add Kazuma kamachi to the list. If you haven't read the a certain magical index light novels, they are on part with fate stay night in terms of both world building and plot.
@@danielgrezda3339 I have read Toaru, I’m a big fan I’d say Kamachi is definitely getting there but he hasn’t reached the level Tolkien and Nasu have in terms of overall content. He's absolutely getting there, in terms of world building, plot, philosophy/design and power system he's definitely on par with them for sure tho👍
"The reason the elves can see further than other races is because they still inhabit the previous Texture of the planet where the World was flat and lacked a Horizon." I'm not even joking.
One thing I really love about early and overall mainline Nasuverse magic is how it seems technical but really just purely "heart" at the core. As in yes there is a magic system but when the plot demands a breakthrough in plot to deliver a message or a characterization, it will deliver. That heart is something I just cannot find in FGO or some of the various spin-offs that deep dive into the magic system. I know that a lot of people love having constructed lore or a heavy magic system that forces its characters to abide by, but it really loses that romantic factor of magic in a modern setting. That magic while slowly being replaced and forgotten, always has its place and is forever changing. Ironically that message is delivered perfectly in Umineko but in an entirely different context and core message.
That's a really interesting way to look at it, and I have to agree. I too, am all for using magic in that way, especially in an urban fanatsy where the setting is more relatable and the character's conflicts can hit closer to home. Yeah, FGO is more on the technical side of the Magecraft world, but there are some instances where that heart lies. Lostbelt 6 is a great example of that despite being a mostly-fantasy setting. Nasu hits a good balance of depth and logic to magic, but also bending it's limits to convey his desired message. i see what you mean, Umineko really did handle it's own idea of magic beautifully!
The system is great, until plot armor is needed then it go out of the window. From Gilgamesh survive the mud, having ultra secret weapon unbefitting his status to Heracles losing 5 lives at once because??
@@cynt4416 if you really look all version of the media the anime to the visual novel it said simply why he beat Gilgamesh. He said it any other servant who at least master one thing would have been able to defeat him Gilgamesh possess abundance of phantasm but never mastered one and bout he decided to use enuma elish it was too late he was defeated by his own arrogance. The were duality fakers in ability shirou capable of trace and projecting replica of phantasm and gilgamesh having a collection of others phantasm he can call upon. Never thought about until my father enlightened me that shirou had to be the one to defeat gilgamesh because they both were the same character as gilgamesh called him a faker Gilgamesh is no better. Sorry is this text is a little messy or hard to follow as questioned if needed. Saying all call shirou plot aren't real typemoon fans who truly sunk into the depths of the lore and concept and the messages/themes of typemoon.
@@katlafae9487 I have no problem about Shirou vs Gilgamesh. The answer have already been spelled out by the characters themselves: "Always one step ahead'. What is not spelled out is how Gilgamesh survive the mud that have the mechanic of dissolve the body and taint the soul? Like it check the personality before tainting the soul or something? And if you are arrogance then it give you a new body instead? Or how the prototype, as in the newly made invention that haven't been tested or developed being stronger than the later version just because ....nah, who am I kidding? because they need to wank Gil. Or how Gate of Babylon rank is E to A++ because it's the rank of the treasure inside...except Ea which is S rank also in there, conveniently be brought out right when he need it, with no background on the weapon whatsoever? Oh yeah, how Caliburn blast through Heracles 5 lives at once too.
I’ve always wanted a video like this. Examining how cool and creative the concepts and magic systems of the Nausuverse are from a more outside perspective. I’d love more of this, though I’m not entirely sure how you’d do it without just becoming another lore channel. Not that I’d complain about another great lore channel to watch; that’s cool too.
I'm would gladly make more if people are willing to watch them! The Nasuverse is fascinating enough that I would love to dive a bit deeper into some of its systems. It may not be frequent, but I would like to do a video on them every now and then!
4:31 you said Emiya kititsu gu possess a reality marbe though i would say it is a bounded field he inherited from his father and the magic crest applying to himself.
I think that some basics of future nasuverse we can extract/predict even from such 'scifi' animes as NGE and Lain. Many concepts were refined inside japanese pop-culture for a long time, including Schumann's resonance etc. Many things in nasuverse are in fact very common in New Age circles and gnostic movements. Some concepts even exist simultaneously in Fgo, Honkai-verse from China and New Age movements, such as the "resistance to civilization" and cycle of destruction.
That's amazing, there are some comments here that help clarify a few things I so take those into account as well! It's no hard work at all, I just enjoy talking about this stuff and love to share what I can, haha! Thank you though, I'm glad this could help!
@@NeNeiSan I beg to differ, the fact that enjoying working on something, and it warps the experience for you, and makes you feel that is not hard work just makes me believe you were really passionate about it, the quality just goes up from here on forward!
I'm not familiar with the series, but looking at a couple wiki pages the premise of "reality is not static and can be warped with magic" is really interesting! Might look more into that!
Thank you, glad to hear you're enjoying it! Type-Moon has had so much stuff coming out these last few months, so it's been on my mind quite a lot. Really excited to play TsukiRE next week!
@@NeNeiSan Same, man! Excited to see a proper in-game translation of CIel route and other things. 'Ordeal Call' (more like Ordeal Stall for the Anni's am i right) is soon-ish too (around end of June iirc). And more.
Haha! I've heard so much about how masterful the Ciel rewrite, can't wait to see how it all unfolds! I'm really hoping Ordeal Call can deliver with it's premise. It's so interesting, especially coming off of the amazing chapters that were LB 6 and 7. The in-game news said mid-June, so maybe next week? If we're lucky? I also remember seeing an upcoming Type-Moon panel for some convention that will reveal upcoming projects, as well as Vol. 15 for Type-Moon Ace coming out this summer. What a great time to be a Type-Moon fan!
Probably only from how big the Fate Franchise has gotten. But even then, a bad rep among who? Of course anything will have it’s haters, but the size of Type-Moon’s base show that there are plenty who love it.
To aru and nasuverse generally have equal type of magic system..if there's a difference it would be the scale on which to aru uses its magic. And nasuverse does have more lore to it's magic and its uses
The Nasuverse is just on another level man, only other person that's on par with Nasu is Tolkien. These 2 have just actually functionally created an actual universe with damn near as much detail as our own if not more 😭😭😭also amazing videos man I love when you do breakdown/explanation/review videos like this, keep up the good work 👍
It's probably the only fictional verse I'm actively interested in learning more about and seeing everything tie together. It is so interesting how it goes pretty in depth with not just base level magic, but also how magic can be made up of or influence abstract concepts.
Thank you, it means a lot! I will continue to do my best!
@@NeNeiSan I agree Nasu and the other various writers are truly one of a kind.
I would add Kazuma kamachi to the list. If you haven't read the a certain magical index light novels, they are on part with fate stay night in terms of both world building and plot.
@@danielgrezda3339 I have read Toaru, I’m a big fan I’d say Kamachi is definitely getting there but he hasn’t reached the level Tolkien and Nasu have in terms of overall content. He's absolutely getting there, in terms of world building, plot, philosophy/design and power system he's definitely on par with them for sure tho👍
"The reason the elves can see further than other races is because they still inhabit the previous Texture of the planet where the World was flat and lacked a Horizon."
I'm not even joking.
One thing I really love about early and overall mainline Nasuverse magic is how it seems technical but really just purely "heart" at the core. As in yes there is a magic system but when the plot demands a breakthrough in plot to deliver a message or a characterization, it will deliver. That heart is something I just cannot find in FGO or some of the various spin-offs that deep dive into the magic system. I know that a lot of people love having constructed lore or a heavy magic system that forces its characters to abide by, but it really loses that romantic factor of magic in a modern setting. That magic while slowly being replaced and forgotten, always has its place and is forever changing. Ironically that message is delivered perfectly in Umineko but in an entirely different context and core message.
That's a really interesting way to look at it, and I have to agree. I too, am all for using magic in that way, especially in an urban fanatsy where the setting is more relatable and the character's conflicts can hit closer to home. Yeah, FGO is more on the technical side of the Magecraft world, but there are some instances where that heart lies. Lostbelt 6 is a great example of that despite being a mostly-fantasy setting. Nasu hits a good balance of depth and logic to magic, but also bending it's limits to convey his desired message.
i see what you mean, Umineko really did handle it's own idea of magic beautifully!
The system is great, until plot armor is needed then it go out of the window. From Gilgamesh survive the mud, having ultra secret weapon unbefitting his status to Heracles losing 5 lives at once because??
I agree
@@cynt4416 if you really look all version of the media the anime to the visual novel it said simply why he beat Gilgamesh. He said it any other servant who at least master one thing would have been able to defeat him Gilgamesh possess abundance of phantasm but never mastered one and bout he decided to use enuma elish it was too late he was defeated by his own arrogance. The were duality fakers in ability shirou capable of trace and projecting replica of phantasm and gilgamesh having a collection of others phantasm he can call upon. Never thought about until my father enlightened me that shirou had to be the one to defeat gilgamesh because they both were the same character as gilgamesh called him a faker Gilgamesh is no better. Sorry is this text is a little messy or hard to follow as questioned if needed. Saying all call shirou plot aren't real typemoon fans who truly sunk into the depths of the lore and concept and the messages/themes of typemoon.
@@katlafae9487 I have no problem about Shirou vs Gilgamesh. The answer have already been spelled out by the characters themselves: "Always one step ahead'.
What is not spelled out is how Gilgamesh survive the mud that have the mechanic of dissolve the body and taint the soul? Like it check the personality before tainting the soul or something? And if you are arrogance then it give you a new body instead?
Or how the prototype, as in the newly made invention that haven't been tested or developed being stronger than the later version just because ....nah, who am I kidding? because they need to wank Gil.
Or how Gate of Babylon rank is E to A++ because it's the rank of the treasure inside...except Ea which is S rank also in there, conveniently be brought out right when he need it, with no background on the weapon whatsoever?
Oh yeah, how Caliburn blast through Heracles 5 lives at once too.
I’ve always wanted a video like this. Examining how cool and creative the concepts and magic systems of the Nausuverse are from a more outside perspective. I’d love more of this, though I’m not entirely sure how you’d do it without just becoming another lore channel. Not that I’d complain about another great lore channel to watch; that’s cool too.
I'm would gladly make more if people are willing to watch them! The Nasuverse is fascinating enough that I would love to dive a bit deeper into some of its systems. It may not be frequent, but I would like to do a video on them every now and then!
@@NeNeiSan that’d be cool. You seem to be good at it so far, if you ask me.
Great video, not often I see someone talking about "magic" in the Nasuverse in a rather objective manner.
Thanks, it's one of those worlds that are so fascinating that I love to talk about it and share some of my favorite aspects!
One of my favourite kinds of Nasuverse magic that you didn’t talk about are divine constructs
Those are very interesting as well! That calls for an entirely seperate video as even this subsection of mage craft has a lot of variety.
4:31 you said Emiya kititsu gu possess a reality marbe though i would say it is a bounded field he inherited from his father and the magic crest applying to himself.
You are right, that was a oversight by me haha!
It is a bounded field that is "close" or has similarities to a Reality Marble, but not quite.
Actually the Time alter isn't a real reality marble but a bounded field so advanced that it essentially works like one. Great video though.
You're right, I completely forgot to make that distinction. Thanks for claryifying! I appreciate it!
@@NeNeiSan you are welcome. Things like this can happen when you have to research an entire verse. Don't push yourself too hard for it.
Fate series is a GOAT. Love the Nasuverse.
I think that some basics of future nasuverse we can extract/predict even from such 'scifi' animes as NGE and Lain. Many concepts were refined inside japanese pop-culture for a long time, including Schumann's resonance etc. Many things in nasuverse are in fact very common in New Age circles and gnostic movements.
Some concepts even exist simultaneously in Fgo, Honkai-verse from China and New Age movements, such as the "resistance to civilization" and cycle of destruction.
I'm working on a spanish explaining magic video, and I will be using this as a reference to some points, thanks for your hard work!
That's amazing, there are some comments here that help clarify a few things I so take those into account as well!
It's no hard work at all, I just enjoy talking about this stuff and love to share what I can, haha! Thank you though, I'm glad this could help!
@@NeNeiSan I beg to differ, the fact that enjoying working on something, and it warps the experience for you, and makes you feel that is not hard work just makes me believe you were really passionate about it, the quality just goes up from here on forward!
That's a good way to look at it! Good luck on your video!
@@NeNeiSan thank you!!
Great video man.
Hey, Thank you!
first video i watched without skipping in a long time
you earned yourself a sub gj
That means a lot, thank you!
Nice fate 2006 music at the begining.
Kenji Kawai's OSTs are alway amazing!
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It's really great topic for conversation, thank you for your video!
would you like to do some research into the white wolf magic system, particularly in mage the Ascention and the other mainline game lines?
I'm not familiar with the series, but looking at a couple wiki pages the premise of "reality is not static and can be warped with magic" is really interesting! Might look more into that!
Amazing content, Nei!
Thank you, glad to hear you're enjoying it! Type-Moon has had so much stuff coming out these last few months, so it's been on my mind quite a lot. Really excited to play TsukiRE next week!
@@NeNeiSan Same, man! Excited to see a proper in-game translation of CIel route and other things.
'Ordeal Call' (more like Ordeal Stall for the Anni's am i right) is soon-ish too (around end of June iirc).
And more.
Haha! I've heard so much about how masterful the Ciel rewrite, can't wait to see how it all unfolds! I'm really hoping Ordeal Call can deliver with it's premise. It's so interesting, especially coming off of the amazing chapters that were LB 6 and 7. The in-game news said mid-June, so maybe next week? If we're lucky? I also remember seeing an upcoming Type-Moon panel for some convention that will reveal upcoming projects, as well as Vol. 15 for Type-Moon Ace coming out this summer. What a great time to be a Type-Moon fan!
@@NeNeiSan FGO Stream in 2 Days, yep
@@ShizukiShirano That soon, huh? Looking forward to it!
Nice video ❤
mystic eyes of petrification are the best imho.
the nasuverse is actually so peak, i hate how it has a bad reputation
Probably only from how big the Fate Franchise has gotten. But even then, a bad rep among who? Of course anything will have it’s haters, but the size of Type-Moon’s base show that there are plenty who love it.
song used for the Nrvnqsr part?
ruclips.net/video/5ZoCkMkktFE/видео.html&ab_channel=SubaruSumeragi22
Here you go!
1:13Reality marbles..or should you call it *DOMAIN EXPANSION*
yeah, but nasu did first, nasu is an genius
Nauseverse not that complex toaru verse have better magic system
I haven't read the Toaru series at all so I really can't compare, though I would like to read it at some point.
Jujutsu Kaisen has a good power system as well
Correct but need more time for lore
To aru and nasuverse generally have equal type of magic system..if there's a difference it would be the scale on which to aru uses its magic.
And nasuverse does have more lore to it's magic and its uses
@@anikbiswas4447 Bleach also has got a pretty solid power system, along side HunterxHunter
It’s like become crab
All these channels become aninews
WTF?