Adult Reduction In Eyeball Axial Length - Emmetropization Mechanism? | EM | Reduced Lens Method ™
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Jake, at 6:35 , you say minus lens cause the axial length to decrease, but I believe you meant increase. Can you update it by adding a notation? This is a neat introduction video btw!
It has been 3 days i started following you i am very curious and very excited to improve my vision which is -6 diopters.
jake i have astigmatism .5 and 1 in left and right i am getting changes in axis is that fine!
@@ayselabdullayeva690what's your condition now
It is so true. I have had myopia since I was 12 and I used to wear glasses only while looking at the black board and take it off otherwise so i used to wear it for very less amount of time every day and my power stayed same at - 1.25 D for like four or five years but then I started wearing it regularly due to a doctor's advice and it became very progressive, increasing almost by -1 D every year or two and now I'm so dependent that I can't really see much without wearing them. I am saying all this from first hand experience. These optometrist are either business men or purely ignorant. Because I am a Physics major and we study a lot about optics, refraction, lenses and eye function as well as the physics behind visual defects and all that, and I came across this paradox between what the doctors and retail people say and what scientific facts are actually telling me and I figured this is what must be happening and I am glad to see it's not just me.
Harshita Bhuyan so true same thing happened to me, btw has your eyesight improved?
Opticians are cheaters, my doc told me the same thing and since those days we didnt had internet and stuff, i started wearing -4.5 and -1 and i wore them all the time today i m at -11.5 and -8. Even developed glaucoma.
You are saying truth buddy when I used to go on yearly checkup my eye power always progress by 1 d but since 2017 I haven’t changed my specs inspite of increased by 2D and now my power stables by my 2017 specs only I haven’t wore my 2018 prescription and haven’t been to optometrist since then
You're lucky, i simply couldnt understand what was happening with me(recently found out), i simply got used to it and now its simply too much to handle. Annoyed at the fact that i need to study up regarding alll this soo i dont get conned. But yea its better late than never :(
I had my eye checked up yesterday and my result was -3.5. I have myopia happening to me for many years but never went to get it checked, yesterday I realised it may get even worse that's why I got my checked.
I want to ask something to all of you that would I still be able to improve my -3.5 eyesight without wearing glasses? It would be great if I get a positive response.
My eye sight progressively improved over about 10 years as i started to get healthier, eat better, and take care of myself. Each year i get my eyes tested by a new optomotrist, someone who has never met me so he has no reference of my past eye sight. I then after years of evidence of sight improvement showed the results to a few optomotrists, most couldnt explained it or claimed it was a "mistake" although one admitted that eye improvements are known to happen. I highly recommend people take their health into their own hands and stop making certain "professionals" rich by relying on their narrow minded advice!!
can u please list out the habits u formed? and what exactly u ate? any eye exercises?
Kindly advice, son have high myopia
I just started reading your materials and it's very simple to understand. Partly because the material has validated a hunch I've had ever since I started having to wear glasses in childhood and was told that there was nothing I could do about it, to just wear glasses, and keep coming back year after year and inevitably being told my vision was getting progressively worse. I felt so helpless, yet I knew there had to be something environmentally-related, that it wasn't just me, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. A tiny, tiny voice in me was like "shouldn't you take me out of school and drop me off in the forest or the mountains for a year?" but I had NO idea how I could possibly go against convention as a little kid. And of course, no one around me, none of the "authorities" (the eye doctors, or my parents paying for the eye doctors) would tell me that there was any sort of alternative. "People's vision getting better with time? That's never happened. Except maybe in your 60s when you start getting farsighted". It seemed like we were just getting crutches and never addressing the root cause, and no one was even bothering to ask if there WAS a root cause.
Now that I'm an adult who has depended on glasses her whole life, and starting to become disillusioned with modern society, reading this material (why things have happened and how they keep us in this situation) makes me furious. We were designed to be outside, moving, being connected to the earth. With all of today's "modern" living habits - pollution, looking at ever ubiquitous screens, nutritionally empty food -- it's a wonder how diseases such as myopia, obesity, and cancer are not INEVITABLE. Disease is almost the only logical outcome for how we are living today. It's ridiculous.
I'm excited to come across information that FINALLY offers an alternative to the "you're SOL" conversation and see where this goes. Thanks Jake.
Aye thanks, Andrea. Remember to keep me posted on all your upcoming 20/20 gains!!
Improvements ?
Hope you make it to 20/20 Andrea
6 years later, did any of Jake's quack advice help you? I didn't think so!
Hey. Hope all is well. Do you have any updates?😊❤❤
I started my vision improvement journey in Feb 2022 after a bad dose of cov1d. I was ill for about four months, didn't go outside much, watched a lot of TV and used my tablet a lot also. I noticed a severe reduction in my vision during this time, possibly also due to limited blood flow from blood clots in my lungs from the cov1d.
I had been wearing contacts mainly, but also glasses for over 20 years, and my prescription was roughly - 1.75 in each eye. I started watching Jake and also Mark Warren, and started to try to make conscious effort to be aware of my peripheral vision at all times, and also try to notice the distance between objects when walking or moving. Also doing eye exercises, and focusing on objects at different distances repeatedly, like my finger, and then something a bit further like a table, then maybe a little bit further like a picture on the wall, then back to my finger, for about 15 minutes, then spend about 20 minutes looking out of the window trying to see something further away, whilst relaxing and seeing if I could make it slightly clearer. This was always without my glasses, basically cold turkey style. I got a lot of eye sting sensation, but this is the way you know that the eye muscles are being stimulated. I had an eye test in July 2022 and to my amazement I was - 0.75 in each eye, basically passing the driving standard requirements. It's now September 2023 and I am still doing these basic things every day in some shape or form, and soon will get my next eye test. If I have even a slight improvement again then I know that these new habits are gradually improving my eyesight. I'm 52 by the way, and had resigned myself to needing glasses for the rest of my life, but now I'm determined to keep going until I get that 20 20 again like when I was a kid.
Keep going guys, I'm the biggest sceptic out there, but this has really left me gobsmacked..
What’s your eye test now?
Earned a new subscriber wit this. I'm 100% with you
You channel is criminally underrated and hidden from the rest of the world which it shouldn't be.
Awe thank you. 🙏🏻
Jake, thanks for propagating this information. Such a hope for people with thick glasses like me.
I hope you do eventually publish a study proving this, I’d love to read it.
One of your better videos explaining myopia.
I would have thought qualified opticians would be required to undergo Continuing Professional Development regularly to update themselves on the latest scientific research. Regarding your own study, I'm sure there must be some university academic or Phd student who will be interested enough to take on your topic as a thesis. He can then apply to his department or government sponsor for funding. I know for a fact that universities in Hong Kong regularly apply to a government affiliated research award fund for funding to carry out research because I get to copy edit the research proposals sometimes.
Jake you are a prophet for out time - setting us free with the truth! 👏🙏 Being persecuted goes with the territory. The Pharisees who just don't get it will always defend the tradition. 😔
Let's hope the persecution stays at a minimum. Security through obscurity (and eye guru strangeness). ;)
He needs to be on the news
Way back when I was in college and interested in myopia I had a conversation with a friend who was also near sighted. I was probably complaining about being near sighted due to reading too many books started around age 13 or so. My friend who also read too many books and was even more near sighted than me, made the comment that yeah reading probably did this to her but she would do the same thing all over again. She wouldn't give up reading to have good distance vision. I passionately hated glasses and I think could I have turned back the clock I would have tried to be nicer to my eyes but I also loved reading books and felt she had a very valid point. I didn't want to give up reading either. But maybe if I just wear reading glasses while reading (plus lenses etc) then maybe this becomes doable. I'm going to give this a try with that in mind. If you really have to give up doing close up activities like reading and using the computer all day for your job then I'm probably not going to make much progress though.
I read 200-400 books in 4th & 5th grade, around 10 years old. Sometimes I read in dim light too. As long as I didn’t strain my eyes, I kept reading. Lots of device time. No glasses but slight astigmatism.
Hey man, its been 6 years, have you published a study for reducing the eye ball size? I feel so bad for finding your channel soo late:(
endmyopia.org/axial-change-myopia-science/
6:22
My sister came near while watching this with earphones and said "could it be that you are actually learning how to do s**?"
I laughed out hard and said "what!!🤦🏻♀️🤣 he is describing how the eye and the retina work"
😂😂😂😂
Is it because of myopia that my eyes have increased axial length? Because I didn't have bulged eyes before I had myopia. And the length increased progressively as my myopia increased. Is there a chance to reduce the length of the eyeball?
I agree, I am a programmer which require a lot of close work. I was a -5 and my vision started declining when I was 26. I notice the picture on my 40 inch tv getting blurry. So I did something radical, instead of using my prescription I pulled out my old prescription. it not only stop the progression myopia it encourage me to prescribe something less. my last eye exam I was a 20/20 at -4.5. I'm going to watch your channel and try some of you technique to see if I could get to 20/20 at -3
Well done! And sure you can. Same principle applies.
Great job!!
Did you use reduced lenses while you were getting from -5 to -4.5? Or did you just use your normal -5 lenses?
@@mustardbeard170 I used a decreased prescription, I pulled out my old glasses which I believe where 4.25 and after a month of wearing it for close work my blur disappeared on my -5, I proceeded to order a -3.5 and wore that for a year then when I got my eye examine the opthmaologhist said 20/20 for me is -4.25. Although I haven't improved mich beyond that
You just said that you need not worry about axial elongation until past 5 diopters.Does That means most of persons with upto 3-4 diopters of myopia just have ciliary spasm? Then why doesn't it goes off in 2-3 hrs without glasses.
Axial elongation happens before as well. I am almost a 3 and when i close my eyes and touch my eyeball over the eye lids i can literally feel how distorted and elongated my eyes have become. It used to be a perfect sphere now its like a sharp ellipse.
If you read the full study you see that it IS NOT a longitudinal study, following a group of people for years to see the changes. This study is based on data of people from different ages whom are between 0.00 to +2.00 (Hyperopes only) where the mean values points of each group are connected to drew a graph. This is not convincing evidence that a person's axial length is reduced with age. read the full article: endmyopia.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Reduction_in_Axial_Length_with_Age__An.3.pdf
Thank you for everything you are doing!
My first set of comtacts were -16.00D when I was 12, now I am -13.75D 20 years later, so, idk how correct this is as I didn't have glasses at all as a kid and didn't really use computers or read a ton
Another great video! Loved it :)
You are doing a very good public service
Very informative video Jake, thanks a lot for your work! I do appreciate it.
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Great video! I was so devastated all of the time. My only goal was to fix my vision. I was scared of retinal de...you know all that kind of stuff . And i just wanted my normal vision back. I' ve asked myself since what a feeling it must be to see the world with your own eyes. Not through crutches. Thxks optometrists for everything. But i cant change my past, and if i feel sad or angry about what has happened or what i could have prevented, i just remember myself i cant change it. Its just the way it is and having negative feelings against the reality just is wased energy and time. Ive tried eye exercises . Always stood there waiting for some miraclee to happen. But i gave up. Every single time. I've praid. O please jesus heal my vision. Have listend to hypnosis.
And so on and so on..so devastaded all of the time.i didnt know what was the right way to go, tried something new, gave up again ansd so on and so on . Then i came back to your videos. I've learned a lot about how the eye works , have read lots of articles on google scholar ( actually great sources and evidences ) and it made so much sense. Thanks for everything. I will work a lot the next days( learning and understanding new things, watching your vids, reading your blog and looking things up on goohle scholar, somehow i always need a proof from somewhere else.
Just Thanks jake:)
same, i feel u on a spiritual level 😪
p.s. how bad is your eyesight?
@@soha4600 both eyes are about
- 5,75:(....yours?
so much worse -8 ;(
@@soha4600 oh I'm sorry:( I know I only have - 6 while you have - 8 and I am depressed... but I think if you are really high myopic, you'll get rid of a few diopter much faster than if you have like - 2 or so. I just put all the pieces together right now, and then I'll do the work that's necessary. I hope you'll have great success on your way . We just don't have to let us down because of what society (because of the money ) did to us (things like hyperkyphosis, losing like a sense organ....really hated society for a long time now. But I think we just have to accept it the way it it and make the best out of it. First I wanna get rid of my glasses and then of the society by living on a lonely island😂💪... So much success and I believe in you, just don't let you down because of society and reclaim your eyesight 😊❤️(sry for my poor English:)
Aw I hope so, thank you so much for the encouragement :)
Btw are you on the le meow forum?
One simple question: How did you make your eyeballs shorter?
endmyopia.org
Just do it - Nike
Reverse your glasses back in order. That is just a theory but that would be wild if it true that your glasses cause you to elongate. And all the doctors would be scammers or ignorants it is just weird
I think I still believe in you but there's one problem: my strabismus/ weak eye on the left.
Just use logic; the eyes can't be made by nature to the absolute perfect size of the nanometer every time. So nature allowed it to increase or reduce its axial length a little bit, just enough to correct any mistake and keep you seeing clearly.
Now the question is: do glasses create a stimulus to change the axial length?
In animal studies, putting a minus lens on a chiken, monkey, etc. would make their eyes nearsighted, and after removing the lens, the eyes would go back to normal. Same thing with plus; eyes would go farsighted.
Knowing this, the logic would be to use a plus lens on someone with myopia; of course, you can't use a plus for distance, but reading is okay. This would create stimulus to try to reduce myopia, not make it worse.
Is it good to read without glasses from a distance of about 20 to 25 centimeters? That's the distance I see a little blurry
I have tried but cannot get through this. I cannot "hear" this and the text is useless. Please provide a well written text for those who can't follow this to use. If you actually care, Jake, you will jump up and click your heels and think, I AM SO BLESSED TO HAVE COME UPON KARL, FINALLY. I WILL DO AS HE ADVISES. No, I am not trying to be a pain, Jake. I am being completely honest.
There are over 1,200 written guides on our site. This medium here is video, transcripts aren't part of what I provide here.
Can myopia on the long run make us require presbyopia lenses before 45 because of that muscle spasm thing which keeps the inner lens continuously contracted ?
I have -3.25 on my right eye and I should draw a lense of -20.00 on my left eye (yes minus twenty ! ) but I don't have correction on that eye because of the huge difference and it's almost useless because I don't have binocular vision due to an amblyopia (lazy eye) ... hard to explain... Shortly, I always have a problem with that eye. I was probably born with - 0.00 / - 10.00. My good eye became myopic at the age of 14. So in my case, I think there are some case of very high and pathological myopia that can be genetic. Anyway, I'm planning to start to train my right eye to see better without glasses. For my left eye, Does anyone of you know if there are a little hope to get a better eyesight and to reduce diopters? Even a very few diopters?
Why dont u train left eye? I have a - 8.5 and - 11.5 glaucoma surgery in both eyes and vision is still declining. But now will try to reverse it, i mean thats all one can do. Try print pushing with -12 or -13 i guess and u can also try marma points for eye it wont take more than 5 mins.
I have a -1.25 and a -6.00 and it’s insane I can imagine what your situation is , I hope we can all try to improve our eyesight
@@nishantchoudhary8540 have you improved bro??
@@teriakywo3522 no i did not i made a mistake i reduced too much. 2 things that learned are
First you should not reduce more than a dioptre for differentials
Second you should not change the ratio of dioptres.
Since i had no improvement over a month and after my regular checkup , doc told me that ny iop lvls were also bad, so i quit doing these but i will start again now. Leaened a lot more about these things, hope this time will get some results
@@nishantchoudhary8540 ok sir, thanks for replying!! im conflicted tbh what to do.
Is the End myopia method safe to use on kids or is it mostly recommended for adults? Thank you!
My one question is why doesn’t my prescription get worse with time? Why am I not blind at this point If my eyes are adjusting to stimulus? If I’m wearing contacts/lenses and looking at something close does this effect the effect? My prescription has stayed -4.00 for a very long time. Why hasn’t it gotten worse?
Your eyes may have reached an equilibrium with your close-up habits and lens use. Maybe. There are also genetic markers that affect susceptibility to high degrees of progressive myopia. That and past teens most seem to slow their myopia progression.
hey buddy. i would like to donate, to see the study/research you are proposing. To make it a reality.
No shortage of funds. In need of co-authors for the bureaucracy.
By wearing long distance glass will short your eye ball
You are Feisty but I like your attitude !
'"When a genius appears in the world you shall know him by this sign. All the dunces will be in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift English satirist.
This whole approach seems to be founded on solid science to this mathematician. There are many mysteries yet, in my view, concerning how the various parts of the eye influence each other and respond to environmental stimulation. In the short time that I have been practicing these insights I can feel and perceive remarkable changes in the "life' of my eyes!
It is sad that many of the advancements that we esteem to be progress are insidiously damaging and killing us. Subtle nonlinear effects of scientific progress!
Those are kind words. Many thanks, hope your eyes enjoy the adventure!
@@endmyopia So wearing positive lens won't reduce axial elongation? then what would buddy?
I watched the whole video and you didn't even got to this point.
Another article actually shows that stimulus can shorten axial length. They used myopic and emmetropic patients.
Can you post the link of that article
What is the built in system called that sees where the light focuses and tells the eyeball to elongate or shorten?
surely newspapers would love to publicize this kind of headline that glasses make your eyes worse. If you send this to any paper, wouldn't they like to publish it just for the sensationalism and publicity it would give their paper? I bet it would get people talking on talk shows too (shows like The Wright Stuff / The View/ Loose Women / Watchdog / Panorama / Horizon / breakfast tv - those kind of shows). I think there * is * definitely an eager audience for this kind of info. Maybe even someone like Dr Oz who's more open to alternative health stuff - especially if you'd show him studies. I wish someone in the tv world discovered EndMyopia and brought it to the mainstream. It just isn't right that people don't know about this broken eye prescription system in our world!
No, no, no. I actively turn down interview requests all the time. Last thing we want is a bunch of mainstream exposure and then be crushed by a 100 billion dollar industry immediately thereafter.
I hear what you're saying - and it's a legitimate fear that anyone who speaks out loudly may be a target for crushing.. but the truth cannot be crushed. The truth is the truth no matter how much people say it isn't true, it doesn't stop it from being true!
Maybe I'm naive, but I feel like a lot of the people within the industry are just ignorant and threatened by research that threatens their jobs. But once educated, and once they can see that their jobs will still be safe as they transition from being retailers for lenses, to being experts / gurus who help people heal their eyes with good eye habits (people would come from more progress-report appointments and they'd make more money that way rather than just through selling lenses).. then maybe some of them can would choose the side of Truth. Opticians (and even lens sellers, selling underprecription lenses for diopter-reduction eye training) would still make their money, but just through new ways. Plus they'd also sell MORE lenses by selling plus lenses to people who want to maintain already-good eyesight. If they joined the Truth train, lens sellers may end up making even more money than they already do! I truly believe most (ok, not all but most!) people are basically good at heart and want to do their bit to make the world a better place; to help humanity. Many opticians got into eye-health work to help people and don't realise they're doing harm by prescribing lenses and not giving good eye-health tips.
I agree with your perspective. The truth will eventually have to come out. They can't keep profiting off a lie forever. After all, what could the establishment really do? Their survival is dependent on people being ignorant enough to buy their product. If they decide to file some large scale lawsuit against endmyopia and Jake, that would only bring more attention to the cause.
It's easy to go "yea sure it'll be fine" since it's someone other than you on the line. "Big lawsuit, pffff. Jake will love it." :/ I'd rather have everybody respect my request not to be promoted.
i hear you sir but they saying my 6 year old son eyeballs are elongated he never wore glasses what do you say to that and what do i do
close up work makes miopia too, do what he says diferencials and normalized glasses + active focus
i ve a pro9f that glasses causes increase in myopia progression.....
Hi Jake, from what I've seen your video are very informative, and i've been drawn to em quite a bit. about 4 years ago my vision in my left eye one day just went blurry... I have had a bunch of tests and I've seen a plethora of doctors... but no one can come to a consensus as to what is the cause... after 3 years of just dealing with not being able to see clearly out of my left eye the same thing has now happened to my right eye. This is what happens when i go to the doc: I go in, I can't see and my vision is 20/400 in both eyes. they put they dilate my eyes and my vision goes to near perfect... Have you ever heard or read of anything like this? There is A LOT of pain behind my eyes and i'm not sure what to do.. if you have any suggestions on what I can go read up on or research I would greatly appreciate it.
sounds like you have asthenopia (No not a diagnosis)
Start reading here:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2951266/
Thank you for all this content
So if I understand correctly: An overcorrected prescription causes hyperopic defocus which in turn causes axial elongation.
What I don't understand is how I can see better than 20/20 vision with overcorrected glasses if they cause hyperopic defocus. If the light is focused slightly behind the retina, the image should be slighlty blurry right?
I'm not saying you are wrong. Once I stopped wearing glasses most of the time my vision stopped getting worse and once I reduced my prescription and started wearing glasses again my vision improved.
It is because for most of young people our eyes are very effective at looking at things up close. This is because of the focusing muscles called cilliary muscles at the front of the eye that contract to focus at close up things.
So when someone with myopia wears an under corrected negative lens the light focuses "in front of the eye" so to speak, because the cilliary muscle can only relax so much.
BUT if someone with myopia wears an OVER PRESCRIBED negative lens the light would initially focus behind the eye but then the cilliary muscles would tense up as if looking at something close bringing the lights focal point forward and into sharp focus.
This is also the unhealthy stimulus Jake talks about because first your cilliary muscles get very tight and lock up. Then over years of looking at things close up through negative lens the eyes biology tends to cause the axial elongation which brings you from mild to severe myopia.
What Jake is saying in this video is that the years of bad stimulus can be reversed and it is possible to reverse axial elongation with the right habits and techniques taught on endmyopia.com
So
kjellman96 your lens is flexing to focus. Whereas distance vision requires your eye to relax. You can’t relax harder, which is why you can’t just see distance objects far away if you’re myopic based on eye muscles alone. Whereas up close you can. If your lens didn’t flex, the overprescribed glasses would indeed lead to blurry vision.
It's ok to be outside with your full correction glasses. If you do much close up work with these glasses, during the time they give you the effect of over correction. So, those who spend a lot of time outside and have equilibrium between close-up work and distance vision. In that case nothing serious happens with wearing full correction glasses.
now i am lost!! where should i start and what are the steps i need to follow ??
Otie Brown ..thank you for ur kind reply. .bt its not jst like that ..its more complicated specially with astigmatism .if i don't get it well i might risk it for the assignment to go worse
Hey Jake, if eye ball shortening happens automatically as a result of myopic defocus, why is active focus important?
I don't know why.
because active focus is cool
If endmyopia.org was to go viral, would retail optometry lose its influence or even die off completely?
+Brendan Chou Doubtful. People love their quick fix. Think of all the things out there about McDonalds and those guys are still thriving.
No. Simply because Jake refuses to address the different causes, types and factors of myopia
So what’s the so,union to the problem? Nor wearing glasses?
Informative, thanks.
Hold on a minute Jakey....
Can you explain something? The study your talking about found that the subjects were already emmetropic and slightly hyperopic.
"271 subjects from age 4 to age 70 years, whose ocular refraction was between plano and +2.00 D."
They don't report on them being myopic in the past. I don't know where they pull the fact that the axial length decreased from just one measurement. Also if the axial length decreased they would become hyperopic.
Hope you explain this I'm so confused, maybe don't go off a study just by the abstract alone, we need to know more.
thanks
The point relevant to us is this: "It is proposed that a reduction in the axial length of the adult eye serves as an emmetropizing mechanism, occurring in harmony with the increase in the refracting power". The eye responds in varying axial length based on refractive stimulus. And sure, there are counter arguments ... in particular for those looking to be stuck in their existing paradigm. The full study is also available online.
Thanks, jake, il read the full study and try to understand where they got their measurements
With all the respect to Jake this study doesn't look trustworthy at all -- they seem to just have picked people of random ages (non-myops BTW) and measured their axial length, found that it was shorter for older people and then concluded that that it shortens with age. But they were different people, and they didn't seem to have used any kind of special stimulus, like active focus. And why would they -- none of that people has been myopic in the first place. This quora post summarises these points: www.quora.com/How-can-the-axial-length-of-an-eye-decrease-as-they-say-that-it-does-with-ageing
Jake, in regards to stimulus.
Premise: an eye elongates as a consequence of a long-term ciliary spasm of the eye where the ciliary muscle is stuck in the closeup state.
If this premise is true, then in order to reverse axial elongation SHOULDN'T a long-term ciliary spasm of the eye where the ciliary muscle is stuck in the "far away" state be induced?
The only problem is that when the ciliary muscle is focused on far away objects, it is RELAXED. If there is no strain, how can we hope for an eye's axial elongation to become smaller?
Please let us know your thoughts concerning that, or whether I have erred somewhere in my logic.
Thank you!
The elongation is not just long-term ciliary spasm, it is the stimulus of eye glass correction (and mostly over correction) that induces axial growth, and thus cause real myopia. (Beware that most professionals say this is not true. You can believe them or not believe them, it is of no consequence, other than possibly causing your own eyes to get worse if you do.) So to induce axial length reduction, it could only be done by first getting the ciliary muscle back in relaxed state again, and this relaxed state plus the brain "noting" the slight defocus (by the stimulus of slightly under correction glasses) will somehow cause the eye to reduce axial length in order to get the focal plane correct. Is it possible? (You can believe in it or not believe in it, it is of no consequence, other than possibly saving your eyesight and one day see without glasses again if you do.) I'm sure there will always only be anecdotal evidence to support this hypothesis. Or someday real change might come... but probably not in our lifetime.
What's the right axis numbers? How do I know if my numbers are too high?
sir the power of my eyes is -4 plz I want to reduce or if possible I want to get free from glasses is it possible.
How many diopters are you at now?
Ok, so I wear a -20 contact lense. I was born already severely myopic. So are you saying if I stop wearing my contact lenses my axial length will shorten? I literally would be walking around blind.
No, nobody is saying that at all.
Jake says now in place of um, uh, and, like etc to fill in a pause.
How can I contact you as a newbie for general recommendation?
I'm available for support as part of some of our paid courses.
How I get my 20/20 vision back?
You got it! Welcome to 20/20 😆👍🏻
love napalm death
@@lilmar1710 lol 🤣
@@rohitghosh3705 LOL 😂🤣
Hi Jake now you can see 20/20 with out face googles, if you put your eyeballs into an autorefractor now what does it suggested your prescription should be? Have you done it?
Been following for a while and working on stimulating my eyeballs to sort their shit out - thanks to your website. :)
Jake...great video
you could read My 10th grade physics textbook to learn all that.
My myopia decrease by 1 no
Anybody counted how many times Jake said “link below” ?
Link below, though. 😬
Hey!I am new here and I don't understand anything you say ATM...I have a -0.75R/0.25L number.... please tell me what to do to cure this quickly... I'd be grateful!
endmyopia.org , no short stuff ,lot to learn
+endmuopia hi im suffuring from heavy astigmatism and i see doubble/tripple do you know what causes it and is there a way for my to fix it in the long run
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It might also be somewhat caused or increased in severity by the way many in our society now have badly shaped skulls due to poor health. Of course with the right exercise and habits it can be improved upon but obviously the older and more unhealthy you are the harder it will be to make progress.
Or also not because of skulls. 🤔🤫
True. Anyways I'm doing active focus now. You at least convinced me it was possible so I've been doing it for a week and already have seen some nice results but of course I think for a full vision correction it will take some time. I'm also trying urine therapy which I think might make the results faster as I've already dropped from -6 to -4 in only one week but of course I have no idea if my future results will come as quick.
@@samuelswenson1505 good, btw can you elaborate what's urine therapy, plz?
@@postOffice007 Hmmm...not something I'd nessesarily recommend.
U can see a research on orbital shape and myopia . It concluded something on same lines
Thank you jack. I measure my maximum focus distance by hand. It was less than thumb to my pinky finger stretched. Now it's more than the distance from tip of my thumb to tip of my finger. Just in 2 days.
This is giving me hope.
You are in Vietnam...Hochiminh city...?????
Dabba nothing I'm understanding
THIS IS SO TRUE!
Thank you
My optometrist told me that it's inherent in the human species to need closeup glasses after the age of 40. I was wearing contacts which caused one of my eyes to develop itching. I have been trying active focus for about 5 weeks now. I can see closeup by about 4 feet, which is stuck there for now, but reducing far is a problem still.
throughout the entire video there are strange noises, sounds as if plastic shaking and bumping around, possibly from the camera itself.
extremely distracting.
Lens focusing motor. That's what you get for free advice.
thanks. surely, under normal operation and/or mic settings these sounds should not be recorded/perceivable.
I love the information shared but just don't like the use of swear words as I'm trying to encourage my children to watch these videos they've both been given glasses they're young but can understand certain bits of the information but I get sad when there are swear words in the videos, as I don't feel they're needed. It's great information, I'd be so glad if you left out the swear words. Thank you.
I try not to! 🤐
Forgive me for mentioning it, but my children really listen because I'm warning then how bad glasses are and though I try to repeat what you say I feel it's better for them to listen to someone who created the method and you explain it miles better than I can:-) I'm on the journey to 20/20 myself from -5 and -6.75 so I'm reading your blog intensely and listening to your videos, I hope to post my own progress one day Thank you for the videos. 🌹
Axial length does not reduce. This guy is just making shit up.
Right. Axial length, totally static. All that peer reviewed clinical science saying otherwise, all made up. 🤔
That study you cite is from 1987. Nice scam you got
Agreed. No need to read any further, because 1987.
It’s been cited less than 30 times in 30 years. You would win the nobel prize if you could reduce axial length and end myopia
True, yapimster012, but who would actually do this study? Who will do a study, following a group of people trying to reduce axial length with a "stimulus program", and follow them for 3 to 7 years? You will be bullied and laughed at for even trying (and who will finance it?). And the 1987 study is flawed in execution, yes, but who will do a "proper" study? Anyone? Anyone? See, there's the problem. You can say that there's no "good" literature to back that claim of axial reduction, but who will do a proper study then? The studies that will back axial reduction will always be categorized as flawed, because... [just fill in] Status quo is fine for most professionals. No need to rattle the cage. Also many studies that back up the status quo are flawed as well, but are many times hailed as the ultimate proof that their view is right, and those studies get ton of media attention. Go figure! In the end, the scam often is the science world itself. So should we just trust Jake Steiner? No, the man himself discourages people to simply trust him! But then, who are all these people claiming to have improved their eyesight? And for what reason? All for profit? Maybe. Probably. Believe what you want to believe.