H3VR Early Access Update 96 - Alpha 2 - Meat Fortress Demo Additions & More Streamline Controls

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  • Опубликовано: 4 дек 2024

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  • @thefunnyman9548
    @thefunnyman9548 4 года назад +344

    OHHHH THEYLL HAVE TO GLUE YOU BACK TOGETHER

    • @tankasahari219
      @tankasahari219 4 года назад +63

      IN HELL!

    • @Spiffo101
      @Spiffo101 4 года назад +22

      A fierce temper, a fascination with all things explosive, and a terrible plan to kill the Loch Ness Monster cost the six year old Demoman his original set of adoptive parents. Later, back at the Crypt Grammar School for Orphans near Ullapool in the Scottish Highlands, the boy's bomb-making skills improved dramatically. His disposition and total number of intact eyeballs, however, did not.

    • @asherwoodrow7471
      @asherwoodrow7471 4 года назад

      IN HELL!

    • @swedneck
      @swedneck 4 года назад +1

      meat glue

  • @plobber2332
    @plobber2332 4 года назад +283

    ''They're goin' ta bury what's left of ye in a soup can!''

    • @gamerzplayerz5780
      @gamerzplayerz5780 4 года назад +8

      Anton please soup can Cannon that deletes Sosigs but stops immediately

    • @Aereto
      @Aereto 4 года назад +1

      Soup Can Pyro

    • @botcharles1193
      @botcharles1193 4 года назад +3

      "Oh their gonna half to glue you back together, IN HELL!"

    • @avi8aviate
      @avi8aviate 4 года назад

      Sosig soup. Hm.

    • @andrewsd2819
      @andrewsd2819 4 года назад

      G U T S A N D G L O R Y

  • @OrigionalCigarette
    @OrigionalCigarette 4 года назад +289

    Anyone else thought the "rusty nail" was a shrapnel explosive, and not a smoke?

    • @TrickyBixnatch1213
      @TrickyBixnatch1213 4 года назад +18

      I thought it exactly this and was a little disappointed

    • @nickosman1556
      @nickosman1556 4 года назад +21

      Ye, It's sad because we have too much smoke ammo and they're useless in most situations

    • @TheSpookiestSkeleton
      @TheSpookiestSkeleton 4 года назад +1

      Yup

    • @runforitman
      @runforitman 4 года назад +7

      yeah thats what I thought it would be
      I never really use smoke either
      I find it hinders myself more than the enemy

    • @404cheeseburgernotfound5
      @404cheeseburgernotfound5 2 года назад

      me

  • @RioManegos
    @RioManegos 4 года назад +170

    Adjusting the timer with the up and down controls would go nicely.

    • @benjibat4655
      @benjibat4655 4 года назад +6

      yeah, like setting a simple digital watch! Not perfect but a lot easier.

  • @dr_every
    @dr_every 4 года назад +99

    Fun Fact to people that don't know: Demoman was originally going to have a throwable dynamite weapon that looks like the one in H3.

    • @Taolan8472
      @Taolan8472 4 года назад +19

      At one point in development all of the classes had grenade options, similar to the original Team Fortress.

    • @nickosman1556
      @nickosman1556 4 года назад +7

      You can have one in Team Fortress 2 Classic

    • @itsdamoss
      @itsdamoss 4 года назад +4

      When I saw the thumbnail it instantly reminded me of it, they look almost identical, just the H3 is higher quality and has a texture

    • @invictus5609
      @invictus5609 4 года назад

      Yeah it was showed on e3 trailer? It was removed due to people will spam it on chokepoint.

    • @itsdamoss
      @itsdamoss 4 года назад +3

      @@invictus5609 that was for grenades as a hole, it’s theorised that demos were taken out aswell to be replaced by the sticky launcher as in the trailer demon is shown using it primarily for sentries just like the sticky’s are advertised for

  • @adamworley7161
    @adamworley7161 4 года назад +306

    What makes me a good Demoman? If I were a bad Demoman, I wouldn't be sittin' here discussin' it with ya, now would I!

    • @arandominternetperson437
      @arandominternetperson437 4 года назад +11

      One crossed wire, one pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch, AND KABLOOIE!

    • @godzillafan9115
      @godzillafan9115 4 года назад +8

      *notice: the Demoman is currently drinking. Please do not interrupt. Thank you*

    • @iliketea5805
      @iliketea5805 4 года назад +5

      Oh they have to glue you back together IN HELL !

    • @altothedutchangeldragon4125
      @altothedutchangeldragon4125 4 года назад +2

      Insert Incohearent mumbling

  • @holdenmiller2180
    @holdenmiller2180 4 года назад +71

    I just had a potentially highly dangerous idea...
    *Solid slug demo ammo.*

  • @Rin_Nya762
    @Rin_Nya762 4 года назад +140

    Anton: let's do a quick sound check
    Me: oh yeah, its fine, usually not that loud, lemme crank the audio for the sweet sounds...
    Anton: *shoots way louder gun then the 1911*
    Me: oh, I'm deaf now... Well shit.

    • @hvymtal8566
      @hvymtal8566 4 года назад +20

      Well, there is a reason the TF2-style 1911 is called the "Sound Check" :)

    • @Rin_Nya762
      @Rin_Nya762 4 года назад +3

      @@hvymtal8566 lol, I didn't notice it until my ears were hurting XD my headphones tend to get loud, and if something is loud in a video, it can surprise me. So, moderate volume levels, lesson learned. Lol.

  • @bloodlessvr2823
    @bloodlessvr2823 4 года назад +24

    never ceases to amaze me what Anton adds to this game, you really have no idea what he has in store for us unless you follow the discord very closely. This game is absolutely 100% the reason i keep coming back to VR day after day

  • @CatgirlKazu
    @CatgirlKazu 4 года назад +69

    The MF Sound Check is the best shotgun in the game.
    ... Holy shit, it's the Demoman grenade from the very first announcement trailer!

  • @Dr-Door
    @Dr-Door 4 года назад +89

    I love how giddy these guns are making Anton!
    he's like a kid in a candy store

  • @lathanchurch8352
    @lathanchurch8352 4 года назад +61

    Sure hope the gonch doesn't screw us over this holiday season so we can get that sweet .600 nitro Express revolver

    • @prestonwilliam4935
      @prestonwilliam4935 4 года назад

      There already is one

    • @lathanchurch8352
      @lathanchurch8352 4 года назад +3

      @@prestonwilliam4935 are you sure you're not thinking of the s&w .500?

    • @junglejim9551
      @junglejim9551 4 года назад +2

      @@lathanchurch8352 I assume he means the .600 magnum futuristic revolver

    • @prestonwilliam4935
      @prestonwilliam4935 4 года назад +1

      @@junglejim9551 i do

    • @hikids7189
      @hikids7189 4 года назад

      @@junglejim9551 there is a .600 nitro revolver

  • @themistake
    @themistake 4 года назад +113

    hehe- *meat* fortress. still funny

    • @trafficconememes331
      @trafficconememes331 4 года назад +5

      Beat Your Meat Fortress

    • @bookreaderman6715
      @bookreaderman6715 4 года назад +2

      Huh, I just realized that if you switch the m and the t you get team fortress

    • @surytrap
      @surytrap 4 года назад +1

      welcome to meat fortress restaurant, where prices are small and meats are big

    • @nickvoug3059
      @nickvoug3059 4 года назад +2

      gMeatFortress

    • @themistake
      @themistake 4 года назад

      @@surytrap ITS YOU

  • @fireballlll
    @fireballlll 4 года назад +49

    I hope you are feeling better! The extra wait was definitely worth it!

    • @AntonHand
      @AntonHand  4 года назад +31

      Thanks :-) Feeling about 60% better thankfully.

    • @stevenbobbybills
      @stevenbobbybills 4 года назад +5

      @@AntonHand glad to hear it, Anton!

    • @fireballlll
      @fireballlll 4 года назад

      @@AntonHand That's great to hear!

  • @meestersoupcan
    @meestersoupcan 4 года назад +8

    5:14 That wheeze is glorious

  • @omega7524
    @omega7524 4 года назад +12

    Me: How many more guns will be added?
    Anton: Yes

  • @veryloudcat8839
    @veryloudcat8839 4 года назад +11

    It won't *truly* be Demoman until we get the Meat Fortress Frying pan

  • @Acr-lh8cd
    @Acr-lh8cd 4 года назад +10

    This man's dedication to his game. Love the content.

  • @isaacainslie2638
    @isaacainslie2638 4 года назад +20

    how i love it when my h3 update alarm goes off

  • @charliecansurf31
    @charliecansurf31 4 года назад +5

    when tf's spinoff gets updated more regularly than the game.
    the longjump in actual tf2 would be cool too, create a whole new subclass with sniper demo.

  • @audixas1
    @audixas1 4 года назад +4

    Streamlined controls have been absolutely fantastic so far, made me really start enjoying T&H. No longer do I need to fumble between gun and movement controls.

  • @GuitarDudeC
    @GuitarDudeC 4 года назад +6

    Loving the streamlined controls so far. Makes this already wonderful game that much better.

  • @cindybathalter3102
    @cindybathalter3102 4 года назад +27

    Me slowly waiting for muskets being added

    • @richardbudgell7507
      @richardbudgell7507 4 года назад +5

      I’m waiting in baited breath for any update on the concept of percussion revolvers and my favorite, my baby, the colt 1847 walker in .454, the Texas behemoth

    • @thatonehumanoid7756
      @thatonehumanoid7756 4 года назад +6

      Same here to both of you. Old guns are so much more fun to use in VR. I hope they’re nice and smokey when fired

    • @theranger3318
      @theranger3318 4 года назад +5

      @@richardbudgell7507 the colt walker is such a cool gun. It’s my favourite weapon in the game fistful of frags.

    • @kadinlong7333
      @kadinlong7333 4 года назад +1

      Would be really nice to add a Remington 1858 to the game

    • @richardbudgell7507
      @richardbudgell7507 4 года назад

      @@kadinlong7333 ewww Remington I’ll take two XD

  • @perennity
    @perennity 4 года назад +15

    Missed opportunity with the demos grenade, could've been a wired-up pack of sosigs.

    • @trafficconememes331
      @trafficconememes331 4 года назад +6

      That would be going TOO far.

    • @cholas6573
      @cholas6573 4 года назад +1

      Since sausages are the equivalent of people in this, that would be weird and kind of disturbing if you think about it.

    • @daggerwetzel1437
      @daggerwetzel1437 2 года назад +1

      @@cholas6573 there's some weapons that shoot sausages

  • @Mahrooby
    @Mahrooby 4 года назад +5

    1:38
    ooh, so are we gonna get some straight pull rifles soon-ish?
    we gonna get that cursed dump mag ross, mannlicher, or the swiss k31?

  • @semoh
    @semoh 4 года назад +16

    the streamlined controls have been a godsend to me, even in their unfinished state

    • @ARTEMISXIX
      @ARTEMISXIX 4 года назад +6

      Can't wait for some sort of slide bolt alternative for the streamlined controls so bolt actions arent a pain to use

  • @elliottwilson5247
    @elliottwilson5247 4 года назад +1

    Man I want to get VR to play your game so bad. I love the amount of work you put into it and your attitude to the community. I can’t wait to play it when I can!

  • @Janti0607
    @Janti0607 2 года назад +1

    I love how the developer sounds like a physycopath when playing this game

  • @Cow-Moth-With-A-CRT-Head
    @Cow-Moth-With-A-CRT-Head 4 года назад +1

    Oh man, whenever he gets around to making a Meat Fortress TnH character, they're going to be dope.
    Also major props to taking the time out to troubleshoot what's probably quite a nice case with the Cappocolesseum! It shows how much you care.

  • @Fire-jk8ye
    @Fire-jk8ye 4 года назад +8

    That blue 40k space marine in the background :D

    • @MaxRPGames
      @MaxRPGames 4 года назад +2

      Can you imagine if he were to somehow add bolters to the game.

    • @nickosman1556
      @nickosman1556 4 года назад +2

      @@MaxRPGames there already is a Bolter-like gun in the game

    • @Snauss
      @Snauss 4 года назад +1

      @@MaxRPGames He's all for it but Games Workshop isn't sadly.

  • @xoyv
    @xoyv 4 года назад +4

    missed a grand opportunity to call the new launcher "the longschlager"

  • @kaptunkordan6656
    @kaptunkordan6656 4 года назад +6

    maybe for meatmess anton clause will bring a lever gun in 44 40 winchester

  • @jijianji1
    @jijianji1 3 года назад +2

    Meat fortress is my favorite mode. The constant action and fairly sizeable map make it more stimulating (to me) than take and hold and less repetitive than the mini arena.

  • @tankasahari219
    @tankasahari219 4 года назад +7

    anyone else think this weapon is a little bit like the quickybomb with the shorter charge rate

  • @bigpapanacho4033
    @bigpapanacho4033 4 года назад +1

    Spinning hot dog for president

  • @assassinproduction1
    @assassinproduction1 4 года назад +1

    Glad you're feeling better Anton! Thanks for the new toys :)

  • @lonick1692
    @lonick1692 4 года назад +1

    You can tell how much passion he has for the game, I love it

  • @quinnroberts3309
    @quinnroberts3309 4 года назад

    I love how passionate you are in your videos, sir. Makes me happy.

  • @mrboomsnook3671
    @mrboomsnook3671 4 года назад +2

    This update looks so dope for demo

  • @lukelafratta8232
    @lukelafratta8232 4 года назад +2

    Looks great Anton! Keep being the best developer!

  • @DarkReaper12
    @DarkReaper12 2 года назад +1

    Headshotting Demolitionists? A term I dreaded has just become the whole reason I want VR

  • @JustAHat
    @JustAHat 4 года назад +1

    as a demo main I approve of the long shot sticky launcher

  • @Tzar-TZ
    @Tzar-TZ 4 года назад +1

    i see that indomitus box in the background. nice to see

  • @TheDaNuker
    @TheDaNuker 4 года назад +1

    Loudest sound check I seen in an Anton video. XD
    Also aaay yeah that Demo Det Pack ever since the original TF2 teaser trailer where the Demoman could swing and toss it.

  • @jacobf6945
    @jacobf6945 4 года назад +2

    Would you make a version of the demo grenade that has the fiddly buttons? It seems like it would be fun.

  • @greniza2811
    @greniza2811 4 года назад +1

    Alpha 96.2: Anton implements war crimes

  • @dorkkis7120
    @dorkkis7120 4 года назад

    Antons giggles are so wholesome

  • @initialyeet3951
    @initialyeet3951 4 года назад +1

    Gotta love when you forget there’s devlogs on Friday’s and get surprised with a new one!

  • @papasmeat6001
    @papasmeat6001 4 года назад

    the "wonderful" made me so happy idk why

  • @TheAzCorner
    @TheAzCorner 4 года назад

    Hope you feel better soon, Anton

  • @nuthouseproductz
    @nuthouseproductz 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for the new stream line controlled it is amazing for me :)

  • @Screamblade_
    @Screamblade_ 4 года назад +4

    Hello anton. With H3VR have you ever thought of doing the "out-of-vr" devlog update using the spectator camera so your still within H3?

  • @mhymyk4022
    @mhymyk4022 4 года назад +1

    Each new devlog brings me more impatient for my Index. Can't wait to get to blastin sosigs when it arrives

  • @Lucas573w
    @Lucas573w 4 года назад

    My vr hasn’t been working for a long time so I’m excited for all this when I get back good job Anton keep it up!

  • @DrPickle011
    @DrPickle011 4 года назад

    Bought my first headset today and this was the first game i launched
    - Update
    I have spent the last three days straight in this game, heaven for gun lovers

  • @pantsmodetoo
    @pantsmodetoo 4 года назад +12

    Theeeere it is. Was wondering where you were.

  • @gotsomham8869
    @gotsomham8869 4 года назад

    The mad lad is using the sound check to sound check

  • @danielthebrazilian5023
    @danielthebrazilian5023 4 года назад +8

    I Literaly IRL Pogged when i saw the thumbnail

  • @totalclient400
    @totalclient400 4 года назад

    anton seems like such a wholesome guy

  • @NighttimeJuneau
    @NighttimeJuneau 4 года назад

    Hey Anton, in what update are or will be the increased time limits for Take and Hold? You mentioned them a few times before to go along with the new decryption types if I'm recalling that right.

  • @gamerzplayerz5780
    @gamerzplayerz5780 4 года назад +1

    smoke cluster would be interesting for the grenade launcher

  • @IneptGuard
    @IneptGuard 4 года назад

    Would love to see the Sosigs react to the ticking sound the dynamite pack makes and come to investigate.

  • @FireWarrior2013
    @FireWarrior2013 4 года назад +1

    I see that Indomitus box in the back. Made a start on the mini's yet? Got an idea what schemes you're going for?

    • @AntonHand
      @AntonHand  4 года назад +2

      Nope. Gonna figure that out over winter break

  • @Keith_e150
    @Keith_e150 3 года назад +1

    Quicky bomb luancher but different

  • @0rangeGhost4
    @0rangeGhost4 4 года назад

    streamlined controls looks cool. i have tried the game once with vive (it was second time i tried vr) and found for myself that it's very uncomfortable to switch from moving to interaction.
    but is it possible for one stick movement to do this? like i use stick for movements and buttons for interaction on left gamepad and only weapon interactions for right gamepad?

  • @HartlessAce1
    @HartlessAce1 4 года назад

    The long shot fixes sticky spam problem, but creates a new one
    We have a sticky sniper now

  • @AuntyBethra
    @AuntyBethra 4 года назад +2

    is there any chance you could add some doom ertanal weapons like the cruible or the super shotgun into the game or like attachments liek the ones you can get in doom eternal for existing weapons

    • @AntonHand
      @AntonHand  4 года назад +2

      No.

    • @AuntyBethra
      @AuntyBethra 4 года назад +1

      @@AntonHand sad noises but thx for responding any way

  • @passwordispassword1585
    @passwordispassword1585 4 года назад

    1:45
    This reminds me of that one ironman scene where he's pitching to the military lol

  • @sirbobbyington190
    @sirbobbyington190 4 года назад

    Something I would really like to see in this game is the punt gun, shuts it would be nigh impossible to do, but it would be really cool, and funny. Yeah it is literally impossible to fire standing up, as the kickback would kill you. And it would be impossible to move around because it's do big, but it would still be cool to see put in, possibly as a April fools thing.

  • @larch6509
    @larch6509 4 года назад

    I’m getting a VR Headset this Christmas mostly because of this game only ! Can’t wait to get my hands on it

  • @plaopro
    @plaopro 4 года назад +4

    New demo weapons are sick. Tou know what else is sick. The c7a1 and c7a2 canadian rifles

    • @assassinproduction1
      @assassinproduction1 4 года назад

      cuz what we totally need is another AR/m4 reskin...

    • @plaopro
      @plaopro 4 года назад

      @@assassinproduction1 but its canadian

    • @AntonHand
      @AntonHand  4 года назад +4

      *snort* indeed they are.

    • @plaopro
      @plaopro 4 года назад

      @@AntonHand I hope you realise these are just a joke from a proud forest man. No pressure what so ever on adding anything to h3vr. It's already a near perfect game

  • @T-v2k
    @T-v2k 4 года назад

    Thank you for blessing us with meaty fort :)

  • @breezyxkillerx
    @breezyxkillerx 3 года назад

    Anton with a cluster 40mm goes from big man to little kid in a toy shop

  • @NocturneKitsune
    @NocturneKitsune 4 года назад

    If the buttons are too fiddly, why not a dial for the Detpack? You can even make it old-fashioned and make it a alarm clock that you set the hands on for the detonation timer.
    Also, sticky Detpack so we can booby-trap walls. Just a thought.

  • @lankycide77
    @lankycide77 3 года назад

    Just the right amount of chaos.

  • @kenny344
    @kenny344 4 года назад +1

    are there any straight pull bolt actions in the game?
    you know other than the one you just added?

    • @junglejim9551
      @junglejim9551 4 года назад

      No, not right now. Ngl, i'd love a Krag-Jorgensen though.

    • @kenny344
      @kenny344 4 года назад

      @@junglejim9551 Ross rifle, or a K31 would be rad

  • @pettysaltblock9358
    @pettysaltblock9358 4 года назад

    The longshot loaded with highland fling is just a shotgun that makes the guy behind the person you just shot reduce to glue lol

  • @wickedraptor2651
    @wickedraptor2651 4 года назад +1

    some of these H3 TF2 weapons should just be in the game, lets be real. could you imagine a bolt action sticky launcher with a high range?

    • @wickedraptor2651
      @wickedraptor2651 4 года назад

      @@retik9202 pretty weak argument considering how easy it is to counter a sticky-demo

  • @nolongerusing7430
    @nolongerusing7430 4 года назад

    So are we able to mix the new sticky bomb types like we can with the different ammo types for spy's revolver?

  • @hunterlang578
    @hunterlang578 4 года назад

    Great stuff Anton! Gonna make sure to play the hell out of the alpha, see what's up.

  • @botcharles1193
    @botcharles1193 4 года назад

    what will come first, heavy update for TF2, or heavy update for H3VR?

  • @MWB2Bleachfan
    @MWB2Bleachfan 4 года назад

    may I suggest using a dial for the timer

  • @hectictimes3245
    @hectictimes3245 4 года назад +1

    I just want the eye lander imagine that Anton

  • @GrimmXilixion
    @GrimmXilixion 4 года назад

    5:20
    _"My naem iz Soldier torso!"_
    _"I liek 2 _*_spEeeEeEeEeEeeeeEeEeEEeeeEEeeeEEeeeN!"_*

  • @Polaris5664
    @Polaris5664 4 года назад

    What if the numpad set the amount of time till detonation?

  • @jakedoesyoutube
    @jakedoesyoutube 3 года назад

    8:29 Scouts last words were; "NUT".

  • @expectnothing9032
    @expectnothing9032 4 года назад +1

    Will shotguns get speed loaders? Like in metal gear?

  • @lembueno894
    @lembueno894 4 года назад +1

    I was wondering, does this game support the quest 2 (with virtual desktop)

  • @ValboaCross
    @ValboaCross 4 года назад

    Hey Anton I love your work but I've been wondering is it is able to mount guns onto other guns. I've been trying to make some sort of abomination of a rail system to no avail. It would be really cool if we could get an inverse rail or a double rail ru make it easier to mount short barreled guns, shotguns or even pistols to the underside of guns. As much as I love the house and car keys I'd be nice to be able to mount the super shorty under a rifle

  • @Taolan8472
    @Taolan8472 4 года назад

    A single-firing high velocity sticky launcher would be so impossibly cool in actual TF-2.

  • @BiscottiPippen
    @BiscottiPippen 4 года назад

    new nodes are fun, great work.

  • @robo9031
    @robo9031 4 года назад

    Highland Fling with the Longshot is just a shotgun with extra steps

  • @liamkoster744
    @liamkoster744 4 года назад

    Is it possible to twirl around the demo pack by the wires like in the early betas?

  • @jakedoesyoutube
    @jakedoesyoutube 3 года назад

    Imagine this in PVP with the dynamite except you could make it 30 seconds. Literally Hotdog Counterstrike.

  • @judecrazy01
    @judecrazy01 4 года назад

    Pretty much a better Quickiebomb Launcher. E P I C.

  • @julesmayrand7886
    @julesmayrand7886 4 года назад

    Big fan of the game and the many updates, was wondering if you had any plans on adding the g2 controller scheme to h3vr?

  • @sundials5572
    @sundials5572 4 года назад

    Heya Anton, I’m not sure if this would interest you, but the longshot sticky launcher sort of tangentially reminds me of the holorifle from Fallout New Vegas’ “dead money” dlc. I find the idea of a sort of modified grenade launcher built for a different type of ammunition really interesting, and I can’t wait to see this in game when I finally get my own Index!

  • @cullen3323
    @cullen3323 4 года назад

    Can we just get a cannonball round for the Longshot? Or a shaped charge that detonates on impact?

    • @nickosman1556
      @nickosman1556 4 года назад

      Anton said that he won't rework the existing new weapons, he dont want to add 3 ammo each update because some dude ask him to do it

    • @cullen3323
      @cullen3323 4 года назад

      @@nickosman1556 I just wanted to throw it out there as a suggestion, not a request. I thought community feedback was a important part of game development.

  • @matthewlaxon828
    @matthewlaxon828 4 года назад

    Is it possible for if a controller has a joystick you don’t need to click it in, you just need to flick the stick? I feel that the joysticks are flimsy for the amount that I need to use them (I have a quest and use oculus link). love what you do!

    • @AntonHand
      @AntonHand  4 года назад

      No. However you watch the prior devlog, you'll see me covering the Streamlined control mode, which you can switch to.

  • @kingawsume
    @kingawsume 4 года назад

    Question: when/will you implement a full tutorial for Index users? I've had multiple friends of mine tell me that they only played the game for a few minutes because all the menus were for Rift/Vive wands, and nothing felt intuitive.