Were models really that bad 40 years ago?

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  • Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024

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  • @KPS-en8fz
    @KPS-en8fz 10 месяцев назад +4

    Thanks for this well-researched video! But let let me add one remark regarding the Umbauwagen/Silberling-Steuerwagen train set. The 3-axle Umbauwagen were always only used in pairs as seen in your original photos.
    Looking forward to your next videos. BR from Bavaria

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Of course! , I forgot about that bit... 🤦🏻‍♂️ Thanks for the visit.

  • @jonathanschubert8645
    @jonathanschubert8645 10 месяцев назад +9

    You have, by far, my favorite channel about Märklin.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      You are too kind, good Sir!

    • @roguico
      @roguico 10 месяцев назад

      Indeed.

  • @gerardgunhouse397
    @gerardgunhouse397 9 дней назад +1

    Your site is invaluable! Seriously, I cannot thank you enough for the service you provide to those of us who still run analog M track layouts utilizing vintage Marklin engines and rolling stock. More importantly, to provide this service in English! Sir you are amazing in terms of your problem solving /servicing ability with clear and concise instruction. Please keep it coming. Your's is my favorite Marklin site by far.
    Cheers

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  9 дней назад

      Much appreciated! Like, share and subscribe as they say...

  • @stevepople9366
    @stevepople9366 4 месяца назад +3

    Your Zugbildung for Era III is first class. This depth of knowledge only comes with a LOT of research. Thankyou and well done. Greetings from New Zealand.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  4 месяца назад

      either that or too much time on my hands. Thanks for the visit!

  • @kevinl3455
    @kevinl3455 10 месяцев назад +6

    Thank you for this very interesting video. Loved the history of the DB combined and showing the "old" Märklin models- which still look the part and work beautiful today !

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      That's very kind, thanks!

    • @roguico
      @roguico 10 месяцев назад

      Agreed.

  • @maxj0930
    @maxj0930 10 месяцев назад +3

    I model Märklìn with 1960-70 models analog, along with newer,digital models. All on the same layout! Thanks for paying attention to the “old” models!

  • @stephanedelaval6525
    @stephanedelaval6525 10 месяцев назад +3

    La rencontre du modèle réduit et de son histoire. Märklin par sa longévité a accompagné tout ceci. Et ta super collection illustre tout ceci. Super vidéo !

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Merci, commencer le weekend sur un compliment est toujours agréable 😉

  • @tomsrensen9382
    @tomsrensen9382 10 месяцев назад +1

    Most entertaining. Silberlings are so cool. Now we need an update on your new trackplan!

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      So do I... 😀 Thanks for the visit!

  • @paulcook2888
    @paulcook2888 10 месяцев назад +3

    What an excellent video - very entertaining and also very informative with some superb pictures into the bargain.
    A time when the new stock was used to supplement the older stuff rather than replacing it leading to a huge variety with great mixtures of locos and rolling stock.
    Thank you for the inspiration.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @eriknewland3686
    @eriknewland3686 10 месяцев назад +2

    I love how much of your content is just based around recreating cool photos from German rail history! It adds some cool historical depth to your already extremely impressive collection.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Glad you enjoy it!

  • @BritishRail60062
    @BritishRail60062 9 месяцев назад

    I love older model trains and they are more fun with running them as there is no fragile parts that can break off via handling unlike the super detailed model trains 😊. Great video and thank you for your service.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  9 месяцев назад

      They are quite different beasts indeed. Thanks for your time today.

  • @ETA555
    @ETA555 8 месяцев назад +1

    Beautiful made video about the history. I love how the old steam lokomotives looks.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  8 месяцев назад

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @michelcottier6370
    @michelcottier6370 7 месяцев назад +1

    Wonderful! Many, many thanks in advance. All the best, Michel

  • @The_Schimpanski
    @The_Schimpanski 3 месяца назад

    I love your large bridge section! Probably you had to search for the segments over months until you could buy all of them.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  3 месяца назад

      I was lucky with that bit and managed to buy almost everything together from a shop.

  • @terielrand8344
    @terielrand8344 10 месяцев назад

    Couldn't agree more. Vintage Marklin from this era is so great! Love the archival photos!

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks! Plenty more photos on the sites in the video description. Have a good weekend.

  • @user-noZTrains001
    @user-noZTrains001 3 месяца назад +1

    Super video and very informative. I think some of the older locos and carriages are better quality than the current releases, I run z-gauge and am very happy to buy second hand locos 30 and 40 years old sometimes. That being said, I do know a very good repair shop for servicing old stock if it has not run for years. Thank you for a great video and you have some lovely locos and carriages.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  3 месяца назад

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @KellinoRail
    @KellinoRail 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video. Thanks for explaining so much about German railways in a certain area, it's was all a mystery to me.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @mountainmanpedro
    @mountainmanpedro 10 месяцев назад +2

    I find Marklin, Bemo, Roco, Sachsenmodel, etc. Items from this period stand up very well today I think many people remember the low quality of some US outline trains from the late 70's and early 80s (rubber band drives, horn hook couplers) and assume all brands were similar. The German/Austrian brands, however, were a real premium in terms of quality and cost at the time.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      As with everything, it is not all bad or all good, but sometimes people forget that things like electricity and computers existed 40 years ago 😉

    • @raymondleggs5508
      @raymondleggs5508 10 месяцев назад

      People still seek out the old Athearn Band drive locos, they are actually good locos even though they may run too fast sometimes.

  • @jayblack6004
    @jayblack6004 10 месяцев назад +1

    Like yourself a fan of "messy" trains, I am delighted with the photo of an express locomotive BR 03 leading a series of Prussian compartment cars sandwiched between two standard pike coaches. I never would have guessed at this! Equally appealing, the example of a Silberling Steuerwagen ahead of the Umbauwagen, modeled together not too glaringly out-of-scale by Märklin IMHO. However as you no doubt have found, the German Federal Railways as a rule used Umbauwagen in pairs. Your lovely little train consist might only have benefited from a change out instead of removal of the baggage combine. The photographic record reminds us how daunting had been for the Germans the task of reconstruction and the lingering price of war. Thank you!!

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Nothing beats pictures. Re. Umbauwagen, the easter egg is now officially found... (translation: I forgot about that...😀) Thanks for the visit!

  • @CM-he8ni
    @CM-he8ni 10 месяцев назад +1

    Always a pleasure to see and hear your informed knowledge on Marklin and also the comments it generates. You would clearly win Madtermind on this topic 😊

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      merely a collection of random mumblings from an enthuasiast trying to cobble them together 😉🙏🙏🙏

  • @kearney3320
    @kearney3320 10 месяцев назад +1

    I enjoyed seeing the push-pull configuration! Our commuter rail used this, but are being replaced with self-propelled Kawasaki electric mutiple unit cars.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks a lot, that's very kind of you. Glad you enjoyed the video.

  • @tomscameras
    @tomscameras 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hey! I love this video and all the pictures from Bahnhof Elberfeld! I grew up in a small town close to Wuppertal and I was very often at that train station in my childhood, sadly it was already in the 1980s so there were no steam trains. It's also fascinating how different the street side looked still in the 1960s compared to the 80s, whereas the track side and that large brick wall behind track #6 still look the same today.
    Actually Elberfeld is currently really bizarre - the street side has got a HUGE makeover just a few years ago and it's super modern, but once you stand on the platforms, it all looks totally old and basically unchanged since centuries - and also pretty derelict, I have to say!
    Anyway, thanks for the video - and have fun with the old models. I love those a lot, just as well!

    • @tomscameras
      @tomscameras 10 месяцев назад +1

      oh and PS. yes 18:46 Karlsruher Kopf, the older ones were called "Hasenkasten" (rabbit box) and looked more square. I also recall seeing the local trains with the battery railcars, but I never rode in one myself!

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed the video, Thanks for sharing and for your time today! 🙏

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      And PS: check the source of the pictures (link in the description), there are plenty more pictures from the area...

  • @lindaoffenbach
    @lindaoffenbach 10 месяцев назад +2

    Wonderful running session combined with well researched backgrounds. Excellent! What makes the older Märklin models so special is that metal actually does look like.., well..., metal, as the real trains do. This does give us a much more substantial experience despite being short on details and off-scale. New plastic models with all their fancy fine-scale and tonnes of high tech features are fabulous but do look..., plastic. Painting technologies have progressed but we can always still see the difference. Especially plastic buffers always still appear most questionable. Perhaps Fleischmann did offer the older models a tad finer than Märklin tbh, but M is still the only continuous European model train company offering a backwards compatible thoroughly well planned system which is reliable to very high standards, if not the best. The older models are most charming as well, super-solid and easy to maintain. Great upload again. Cheerio.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks Linda! Great comment!

  • @russellbenton2987
    @russellbenton2987 4 месяца назад +1

    Excellent. Continuing my binge watching of your channel . Again loved the history of the trains and the associated models . Would you consider doing something similar for long distance trains? Interestingly I had a job for a German company for a few years which meant travelling to Duren occasionally . Unfortunately I never had time to study the trains .

  • @petercermak1910
    @petercermak1910 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hello 3rd Rail! Just checking in to see your latest video. I love the history lesson. I am fortunate to have started my Marklin rail set back in 1965. Well before digital. Since I grew up in Geneva, I have an affinity for DB, Swiss engines and cars from the Third and Fourth eras. I also am happy that E-Bay has a large group the sells this type of Marklin products at an affordable price, especially in estate Lot sales. My last digital "Crocodile" new was over $500.00 dollars. But a used non-digital, 6/6 can be obtained for $150.00. US dollars. When I retire in a few years, I expect my layout to explode! Thanks for your post.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      I bet you can't wait to get started, thanks for the visit!

  • @wanndanneisenbahn
    @wanndanneisenbahn 7 месяцев назад +1

    So much great information. Awesome

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  7 месяцев назад

      Glad you think so!

  • @dadobna2686
    @dadobna2686 10 месяцев назад +1

    You have once again managed to make a really entertaining and informative video, I really liked it!
    I recently started collecting 00-Gauge models from a couple well-known manufacturers, and I realised very quickly that the older ones you can get second hand here on the continent (which are also from the 80s) don't come close to Märklin models from that period. Although I find it very interesting that while 00 gauge models have gotten a lot more detailed *and* more expensive since then, Märklin still uses many toolings from that period, so you can get a vehicle with only minimal differences for half or even just a third of the price of a new one on the second-hand market.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks a lot, glad you liked the video. Manufacturers approached detail and longevity in different ways in the toy days 😉 This said, the use of old tooling is very frequent in 00 gauge. Some reworked tri-ang stuff for example is still sold today under various brands, a fact I stumbled accross recently and also inspired me to do this video. Have a good weekend!

  • @petert9749
    @petert9749 9 месяцев назад +1

    An additional note on what I said below. Models of this ere can be found at a reasonable cost. Further to that, on an operational railway, for most of us not much is needed as there is only one you to run it all. Cheap health insurance.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  9 месяцев назад

      yep, I mentioned that in various places in the video too 😉

  • @gordonholtshausen4383
    @gordonholtshausen4383 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for another excellent and informative video, I learned a lot.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Very welcome, glad you like it.

  • @johnjeanb
    @johnjeanb 10 месяцев назад +1

    First thank you for this great video. I quite agree, Märklin models were not bad (at all) 40 years ago. They were DIFFERENT: very sturdy, all accepted the industrial track 5120, could have Telex coupling and even the horn but they were also quite noisy. The automatic operation was simply fantastic and all reached a peak with the release of the 6600 power box in 1984, allowing speed regulation, direction change commanded by contact track.
    What do new 2024 model bring?
    - Silent operation to enjoy sound modules
    - close coupling and slim Telex coupling
    - some motor solutions were amazing (SDS motors around 2005-2010)
    - extravagent detailling (sometimes a bit too much with some parts falling off (and never to be found)
    - digital. Yes it came in 1985 but the early version Control Unit 6020 with all its keyboards, control 80 (80 F), memories, boosters were quite space taking, with Alzheimer locos cannot be compared with recent mSD3 decoders and CS3s and pulsed smoke.
    - definitly more fragile modelling but also so beautiful.
    As a young person of 77 I prefer the latest digital models even though splendid units like the CCS800, RE800, DT800 were magical at the time of release.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks a lot! Sure 2024 is nice (very!) too 👍 Have you seen my "Integration Hell" video? To clarify, the video is neither trying to convice people to go analogue nor is it saying that new stuff is bad, but merely that, with a readiness for compromise, certain looks can be achieved with a choice of older (and more affordable) coaches. Thanks for the visit and the comment! Nice of you to spend some of your valuable time here today.

  • @Kapparie
    @Kapparie 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video. 😊 I really enjoy your 70/80 layout and models. 🙂

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Awesome, thank you!

  • @philgardiner8304
    @philgardiner8304 10 месяцев назад +2

    wonderful source material. Another great informative video. Keep up the great work

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      very inspirational indeed, links in the description. Thanks for the praises and visit.

  • @derbundesbahnandre8357
    @derbundesbahnandre8357 10 месяцев назад +1

    Super video. 🙋🏻‍♂️😃😃👍👍

  • @jookedewulf7715
    @jookedewulf7715 10 месяцев назад +1

    WoW, Nice. Good history Recap. Berry well done👌

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @bohemianh
    @bohemianh 3 месяца назад +1

    I have the new CX3 plus, I wish I could run the older locos! They seem much more durable. I have many older passenger cars that I run with the newer locos, they look great!

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  3 месяца назад +1

      Nothing a decoder can't fix 😉

  • @railway187
    @railway187 10 месяцев назад +1

    Interesting video 👍

  • @Romin.777
    @Romin.777 10 месяцев назад +1

    Lovely video!
    Modelrailways are for fun indeed and letting the imagination run wild.
    I like to make consists of pictures too.
    The options are almost limitless. :))
    Cheers and take care.
    God bless.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for the visit, glad you enjoyed the video.

  • @danmarklinman
    @danmarklinman 10 месяцев назад +1

    Really nice Video. And excellent point on using older models instead of the latest. Personally I use shorter coaches as a compromise.
    Very nice rail history and pictures.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks! Have a good weekend.

  • @Reuven799
    @Reuven799 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video, thanks loved the pictures and history,!

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @MMK96
    @MMK96 9 месяцев назад

    As always, thank you for the excellent video. I absolutely prefer the »non-super-detailed« models (not only by märklin) from the seventies and eighties - e.g. fewer parts to fall off or break - and for the most part they're more affordable too!

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  9 месяцев назад +1

      Everything goes... What matters is that you enjoy what you are doing.

  • @christophetardivat234
    @christophetardivat234 10 месяцев назад +1

    another great video, the eisenbahnstiftung site really great with the Baureihe search feature! please pretty please fix the red 515:)) And it looks like one of your silberling the 4077 i think also has issue with the roof fitting properly. same issue on mine

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Joys of tinplate... Thanks for the visit.

  • @EdwardsEuropeantrains
    @EdwardsEuropeantrains 10 месяцев назад +1

    Love your videos very informative

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Glad you like them!

  • @petert9749
    @petert9749 9 месяцев назад +1

    At least for me models from this era are hard to beat. I have just watched a review of a recent release (not Marklin). It was the kind of model you have to wreck to get inside to service. As it happens, the reviewer didn't even bother taking the top off. No wonder! For 1980s Marklin, removing ONE M3 screw is all that is needed. And then you can replace the brushes and perform the rest of the service. More 'obscure' parts not as easy to get now. And if anyone concerns it impossible to base an operational layout on these models, don't worry. Not only does it work very well, but with proper servicing the equipment will serve for decades. Marklin would be my first choice; and easily so. Leave the railway alone for a few weeks; it still runs. Yes, there are other ways - DCC, modern Marklin etc., and they are OK. Each to their own, but 1980s Marklin would be my experienced based choice.
    Keep modelling.

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  9 месяцев назад

      Sounds like this channel is for you 😀 The video is neither trying to convice people to go analogue nor is it saying that new stuff is bad, but merely that, with a readiness for compromise, certain looks can be achieved with a choice of older (and more affordable) coaches. Thanks for the visit and the comment!

    • @petert9749
      @petert9749 9 месяцев назад

      Be encouraged; there are a lot of viewers, many too old or ill to partake themselves, who come away from your channel (and a few others I could name) less stressed.
      As for 'compromise', as ever it's each to their own. But if pulled up I challenge to take a model and place it on a piece of track and look. With Marklin the assemblage of the whole takes over; it shines either in its own right or as a model real world. Modelling is an art-form, and it's a wonderful art-form. Thanks again for the slow speed.
      Best wishes.@@The3rdRail

  • @mountainmanpedro
    @mountainmanpedro 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks!

  • @Trainsbigandsmall
    @Trainsbigandsmall 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video have you seen in photos the real life car of the MARKLIN H0 42358 POST MUSEUM PMS 60-05? Would it go on freight or passenger trains? thank you

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks, the car would have been attached to passenger trains. Try typing "PwPosti" in a search engine.

    • @Trainsbigandsmall
      @Trainsbigandsmall 10 месяцев назад

      @@The3rdRail Thank you for the fast reply. Did steam ever push or pull the Karlsruhe silvercoin cab cars?

  • @martinschierle
    @martinschierle 10 месяцев назад +1

    What an interesting video
    I prefer the old coaches with axels turning in metall.
    maybe the new plastic ones are not so durable

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      I like both. All the plastic models in this video are 40 years old or more now, that's quite durable 😉 Thanks for your time today.

  • @michelcottier6370
    @michelcottier6370 7 месяцев назад

    I have a beginner's question. How do you connect 4028 to 3028? I have some problem here. Would you please explain me how to do it, maybe illustrating that with a short video as I am sure that there are other models which present the same problem. Many thanks in advance and have a good day. Michel

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  7 месяцев назад

      that's not a beginner question and it is the only model produced in the 80s that is setup like that. There is a wire in the motorised unit with a a little metal plug (2 bladed copper plug). This plug would fit in a socket located near the coupling inside the dummy car. I will cover wiring and reversing unit in a future video.

  • @raymondleggs5508
    @raymondleggs5508 10 месяцев назад +1

    most of my trains are at least 30 years old, and some of my models have not been bettered, even if other companies bough the tooling. The ACME Touropa couchette coaches are not much better than the 1980's ROWA/Roco ones IMO.😀

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      cool, thanks for sharing.

  • @Trenuri-la-Sieu
    @Trenuri-la-Sieu 10 месяцев назад

    hey i found a Br 50 with tender cab at 86Euro do it worth?

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      depends on the condition...

    • @Trenuri-la-Sieu
      @Trenuri-la-Sieu 10 месяцев назад

      well the condition its really good@@The3rdRail

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад

      @@Trenuri-la-Sieu then the price is right...

  • @eaglerider1
    @eaglerider1 10 месяцев назад +1

    the old trains (and i am talking about the cars) where in hte old days scale 1/100 and to the real scale H0 with also not alwats the full looks of the trains where not always right, but you good very easy use it if you do not pay to miuch for the details

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      Agreed... Thanks for the visit!

    • @andersnielsen4390
      @andersnielsen4390 10 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the wonderful overview. I also really like the era III/IV with all the combinations of available roll stock, pulled by either steam, diesel or electricity.
      Obviously, close ups on 40-60 years old Märklin will appear less detailled and accurate than 2024 material. Yet, on a bit distance even layouts with M-tracks and oldstyle catenary actually looks realistic, imo. And I prefer that, also because I can fix it myself if needed.
      BR, Anders

  • @kellypaws
    @kellypaws 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks!

    • @The3rdRail
      @The3rdRail  10 месяцев назад +1

      That's very kind of you, thanks a lot!

    • @kellypaws
      @kellypaws 10 месяцев назад

      @@The3rdRailWe both enjoy the channel very much, particularly the great background information on the prototypes. Lovely viewing.