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Yay, so that means I truly am a contralto. My range is somewhere between E3 - C5, sometimes I can go lower, but my voice has to be warmed up properly. When singing higher, it sucks for me and my voice, I hate it. I can go higher, but only in head voice and it's strained as hell, not saying that my voice hurts. It just doesn't feel right, I rather stick to the lower notes where I feel most comfortable in.
@@rorismarini9278 your vocal range does not determin whether you are a contraalto or a soprano... at least not as an inexperienced voice... I had the same range when I started training. An now I can use my head voice with the right breathing techniques and I am able to belt d6. So dont give up!!!
@@cottoncandy1860 thank you thus is me, too I am learning to lift out of my contralto/tenor range... it is fun, but a little scary, 🙂.. thank you encouraging us, 🙂
That B6 at the end is crazy! Not just because of how high it is, but because of how seamlessly she slid down from it. It shows such an incredible control in her… second mix… between her head voice and her whistle range. Incredible!
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Arbiter Veritatis I absolutely agree...it almost seems to be done on purpose...like come on...with all the wonderful clips on RUclips of her singing gloriously in the 40's and 50's why post something from 1974????? I'm glad I knew the true Callas before watching this video!
Yes, this clip of Callas (beginning at 4:14) was painful to listen to. Not her best performance, for sure. Her middle range is completely out of balance here.
why is joan (who absolutely epitomized the dramatic coloratura singer) not on here? also the worst example was used for callas. she had a wonderful voice, and the recording you used was from the last performance of her career in which her voice was in tatters. awful.
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I'm not an expert! 5:16 I'm not sure that Diana Damrau is a dramatic coloratura soprano, her voice does not seem enough powerful and dark. Edda Moser and Cristina Deutekom were two real dramatic coloratura sopranos and two wonderful Queens of the Night. Damrau is a great singer, though! Her interpretation is stunning! :) Could she be a lyric coloratura soprano instead?
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I love that the Callas example you used was from her late career. It shows how very much 'intact' her voice was, even in her latest days. A few discrepancies - I would not consider Caballe a spinto, more of a full lyric. However, that's just a point of contention. Damrau is not a dramatic voice. She has some of the qualities associated with the voice type, but even she's said that she's just a lyric soprano that sings high. A better example would have been the great Joan Sutherland. Talk about a dramatic coloratura...however, it is a VERY rare voice type, so that's why it can be incredibly difficult to pinpoint.
Thanks Ethan, for your comment. I thought Caballe has good heavy low notes unlike lyrics like Schwarzkopf, R. Fleming, etc. Can you please mention better examples for spinto? You're right about the great Joan Sutherland. But I felt this aria is too famous to be left out and its meant for a dramatic coloratura. Unfortunately there's no good video of J. Sutherland performing it.
Ajay CM A particularly good spinto soprano would be Leontyne Price. She has the sort of voice with a golden middle and bottom, with high notes that could shake buildings. And I think Edda Moser would have been a better representative than Damrau for the dramatics. True, Damrau's rendition is incredibly good, but she's not singing as a natural dramatic coloratura.
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Beraud Probably because they’re really high mezzos or lightening their voices. Sopranos are also generally seen as more important to some. They want to sing the highest notes.
Illiam Jocks totally. The most female singers and the most females who sing are lyric sopranos. mezzosopranos are rare and contraltos are the rarest voice type ever (counted with male voice types too)
Birgit Nilsson wasn't a dramatic soprano, she was a true wagner soprano, because her voice was bright, but amazingly loud. Maybe Ghena Dimitrova or Eva Marton could be better examples of dramatic sopranos when they sings Turandot. And Damrau is not a dramatic coloratura. Better example of dramatic coloratura soprano could be Christina Deutekom when she sings Der hölle rache.
Caballe is indeed a spinto. she is able to sing with impressive dramatic weight and even dipped into Wagner with some respectable performances. she is not a lyric (compare her with Renee Fleming, Kiri te Kanawa or Annick Massis. the sound is clearly much weightier and more formidable) that said, I agree with other posters that Diana Damrau is not a dramatic anything. her voice lacks either the weight or the depth of a more dramatic voice. for dramatic coloratura, try Edda Moser, Rita Shane or, of course, Joan Sutherland.
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From Wikipedia "Some dramatic sopranos, known as Wagnerian sopranos, have an exceptionally big voice that can assert itself over a large orchestra (of more than 80 or even 100 pieces). These voices are substantial, often denser in tone, extremely powerful and, ideally, evenly balanced throughout the vocal registers. Wagnerian sopranos usually play mythic heroines. Successful Wagnerian sopranos are rare and often Wagnerian roles are performed by Italianate dramatic sopranos.". Not all dramatic sopranos are able to sing Wagner.
Well that's probably because they're not a dramatic voice. And the vocal qualifications described on Wikipedia are basically the voice type needed for Verdi and Strauss too. I just think classifying Wagner as a fach alone is a bit misleading. Many dramatic voices who have sang Verdi have sang Wagner too. It's about having the size of the voice to sing the dramatic rep which includes Wagner, Strauss, Verdi, but not Wagner by itself.
There are difference like sfogato, spinto... lots of them are like dramatic soprano related. anyway, this all "Fach" thing is quite old-fashioned. Nowadays opera world is changing, other voice types and fachs are singing different roles, aren't that limited as they were like 50 years ago. The techinque is also changing, or rather- developing. So all that "fach" things are basically a big generalization :)
Some fachs are obvious- like for instance a lyric voice singing Mimi cannot sing dramatic rep like Brunhilde, but really the job of a tenor, soprano, mezzo, contralto, bass, baritone is to cultivate a technique that can handle various different repertoire for their voice type. But there are hardly any singers like this now.
DiDonato is mezzo and she sang Maria Stuarda made for coloratura soprano. For some voices it is really big limit to make them into some fach, when they can show different color of their voice or have huge range. There are voices that arte able to sing both lyric and dramatic roles. With Wagner there is one big difficulty that it is not so much about color, but about volume- it's not because of role itself, but more about huge orchestra. Other composers are more likely to be adapted for various voices.
Caballe was a full lyric and Damarau was lyric coloratura. The Callas example was not a good one specially it was in her farewell tour. Great video nevertheless
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In my point of view... Kathleen Battle is Soubrette Soprano with some coloratura skills, because her voice is soft and clear in the both low and high registers, but it's more shinning in the middle register! On the other hand, the Soprano Leggero has a clear timbre over all vocal registers, with more strengh on both middle and high registers!! I think some examples of Soprano Leggero could be Natalie Dessay and Erna Berger, Whose possessed a clear but strong voice for coloratura sopranos! I've read that Soubrette Soprano voice is the "high soprano" from the French Opera School and from the German Opera School, but Soprano Leggero voice is the "High Soprano" from Italian Opera School!! I've read that some vocal classifications do not match among the French, German and Italian Schools of Opera!
Soubrette came from the German fach. It all means the same under French, German and Italian... "it describes a role than a voice type... it is the high unadulterated voice." A "leggero" on the other hand is a lyric coloratura. I certainly agree with what you have said, Battle might be a soubrette.
Soubrette voice lies lower than a lyric soprano, often classified as a lyric mezzo, f.e. Agnes Baltsa is a typical soubrette not a mezzo. Battle isa light lyric.
Ok, but Diana Damrau is a lyric soprano. Her voice is too small to be a dramatic coloratura (where obviously Sutherland fits the bill perfectly). Also, Birgit Nillson was a Wagnerian soprano (her voice was HUGE), leggero soprano is basically lyric coloratura, and soubrette and coloratura contralto aren't listed. I apologize for my rant.
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I agree about Diana. Sutherland’s voice was not dark enough to be a dramatic coloratura. Callas is a better example. And Birgit’s voice was too bright to be a ‘Wagnerian’ soprano. She had a verismo technique but voice was not huge by nature. It was through technique.
@@sosexymagazinerobinwatkins8467 I wasn't able to pull up the actual video of her during this masterclass when I made the exact comment but perhaps you can see for yourself her description on her voice fach. www.nytimes.com/1997/09/14/arts/for-a-wary-soprano-slow-and-steady-wins-the-race.html Wiki also states that she is a lyric. Voice fach is different from the role that you are partaking. The fach pertains to the tessitura and comfortable range of your voice.
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Is it just my impression, or female singers emphasize more voice techniques but sacrifice lyrics? It seems to me that male opera singers sing more lyrics, at least in the "Classical male voices" video.
lllCockroachlll - You're right. In the high range, sopranos sacrifice some articulation in the interests of musical quality. However, the amount of intelligibility sacrificed is not great as it is anyway very difficult for the human ear to understand vowel sounds at high pitch. So its the limitation of both the human voice and ear. This is why most composers take care so that the high parts in soprano solos sometimes do not have words, or have a single word slurred over several notes, or sometimes repeat words that are heard in other ranges, or the words are not that important.
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Yes it is a strong whistle. Real head voice can’t go that high with this control. Bb6 in head is at the top of possible head voice range. It’d be an outright scream.
@@KajiVocals doesn't head voice go ± 1 octave above chest? At least it works for every singer I know, and myself. If it's so, than Bb6 head would require ~Bb5 chest, which is impossible, so I guess head voice range can vary
It was a Bb6 and yes, Mado Robin was a freak of nature. She had a stratospheric tessitura and range, inhuman agility and a bird-like bright timbre. She sang all of those notes in head voice - the note is full and has vibrato. A whistle wouldn’t carry over an orchestra.
Some of these I don't agree with. It's understandable, however, that you get many of them incorrect because female voices are harder to classify than male voices.
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Ikr, she has a lyric voice. I'd chose Renata Tebaldi as an example of a great spinto, whose voice was lyric too but she did many great dramatic roles as well.
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I'll stick with alto. Soprano is hilarious! What was that I listened to - the last singer???? Edit: But after listening to the classical male voices I think I am officially both countertenor and tenor. I dont even belong in the alto range. I sing tenor comfortably! Lol!
So many things here are wrong: - Birgit Nilsson is a true Wagnerian soprano - Monserrat Cabale is a lyric soprano (can be classified as a full-lirico soprano) - Diana Damrau IS NOT a dramatic coloratura soprano, she's a lyric coloratura soprano (more like a light-lirico soprano). Honestly this is a disgrace to Joan Sutherland
Birgit was actually not a real dramatic voice. She had a verismo technique but a very high tessitura and a much brighter timbre. Ghena Dimitrova and Rosa Ponselle are better examples. Birgit’s passaggi lied too high to be a real lower soprano. Listen to her Vissi d’Arte. That’s a lyrical instrument there. She’s a lyrical voice singing dramatically - a spinto.
Callas is probably the best example of a dramatic coloratura out there. Along with Virginia Zeani. Sutherland’s voice was also on a more lyrical side. In fact if you listen to Norma with Callas and Sutherland together in it, you’ll hear the difference.
@@KajiVocals but she's best known for her Wagnerian roles (Turandont, Brunnhilde, Isolde, etc.)? she was able to sing over the orchestra for 4-5 hours? her enormous voice and cut-through notes definitely don't belong to a spinto. Actually, she practiced on singing "Queen of the night" to brighten her timbre up. She made herself the one and only Wagnerian soprano!
@@NamHoang-mi4jh I am actually talking about her vocal biology rather than repertoire. She did not have a naturally dark or lower or big voice. All of that came from her technique. Check out her singing the song I Remember When I Was Seventeen. She is using her more ‘neutral’ tone there without darkening. Also I don’t see why she could not be a spinto. Cerquetti is a spinto and has a similar size. Also Turandot was actually not written for a ‘dramatic’ voice originally if you look in the score. It’s just written for a veristic soprano. The tessitura in this opera is more suited for higher sopranos. That being said the other roles you mentioned are more dramatic yes.
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Better example Contralto - Ferrier, Schumann Heink, and the legendary Clara Butt Mezzo - Simionato, Barbieri, and the best Ebe Stignani Lyric Sopranos Clara Petrella Claudia Muzio Lyric Coloratura Amelita Galli-Curci Dramatic Coloratura Maria Callas Spinto Renata Tebaldi Maria Caniglia Dramatic Sopranos Rosa Ponselle Celestina Boninsegna Rosa Raisa Lina Bruna Rasa Maria Pedrini Caterina Mancini Anita Cerquetti Heavy Dramatic or Wagnerian Soprano Kirsten Flagstad Birgit Nilsson Frida Leider Astrid Varnay
The clips that you have provided in the soprano section do not really illustrate the differences in the fachs...or show repertoire that is illustrative of that particular fach and voice type...hence some dispute over your classification of the various voices.
Mi sembra ne manchino molte delle migliori voci ... trovo errato aver messo un brano della Calla al suo addio alle scene quando era in evidente declino... in carriera le avrebbe stracciate tutte !!!
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*and moreover, the strength or loudness of your voice does not determine your vocal type. Most Opera singers sing without microphones, so it's really more dependent on the texture, range, and the abilities that you can do with your voice. Hope this helps. :)
Do you mean passagio? Tessitura is your singing range. Contraltos are extremely rare, and it'd be nearly impossible for you to be one as you sound rather young. You'd be a mezzo soprano, and most likely dramatic. If your voice is heavy and full sounding, it'd be the best fit. Try arias in lowest voice, and for non-operatic stuff, try spirituals as they'd fit your voice well. Good luck !!
I have no idea how to classify my voice... My range is D3 to E6 although I can't really project below G3 and the break between my head and chest voice is from F5 to A5. Any ideas?
Your range is very similar to mine. (I'm a lyric coloratura soprano) It all depends on if you're more comfortable in your lower register versus the higher. If you can belt musical theatre, go with mezzo-soprano. If you are better at singing high supported notes, consider yourself a soprano. Fach, the descriptions for each type, are higher to pin down. Most girls below age 20 are soubrettes, which is a young light voice. If you can belt, you'd be dramatic. Dramatic voices are heavier and fuller sounding. Meanwhile, lyric voices are light and tend to flow very well. Those are the two main divisions, and once you figure out which suits you best, then you can go even deeper into descriptions. Overall just listen to videos of singer's with a fach and range similar, and then base your divisions off that.
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Tralasciando che Maria Callas era un drammatici d'agilità e non un soprano sfogato.... ma ne ha fatte di interpretazioni divine, proprio quella del giappone cm paragone??? La peggiore forse!!!
I am confused about how my voice should be classified... I can fairly easily go down to b2, a2 if I struggle a bit, high notes are easy up to f5 for me but I can do up to f6 most days and sometimes higher although most of that sounds bad imo because I haven't really worked on that part of my voice much. The thing is my low notes and my high notes are fairly strong, my middle range is where I struggle more and I also struggle with trying to make my high notes sound less piercing and kind of shrill? If that makes any sense.
Ewa Podles is really a coloratura contralto, agile with an expansive range. A dramatic coloratura perhaps, but that is way overly fussy given that there are probably 3 coloratura contraltos on earth right now.
Once again someone who does not really understand operatic voices trying to categorize female voices and failing utterly. Podles is a dramatic mezzo with a strong lower extension and well-developed technical skills that allow her to sing Wagner, Bellini, Rossini, Vivaldi and 20th Century composers. Callas is an "Assoluta" who cannot be categorized in our 20th Century manner as she is a throwback to the era when soprano was not truly distinguished from mezzo or contralto. Also, it is an insult to her greatness to use her incredibly late work which she did only as a favor to DiStefano who needed the money from the tour to get medical treatment for his wife. Nilsson was the successor to Flagstad as the next greatest Wagnerian soprano of the 20th Century. Both Nilsson and Flagstad sang non-Wagner roles so this distinction is artificial and inaccurate. The lack of Price and Tebaldi [true spintos]; Sutherland [a true dramatic coloratura] Cossotto [a true dramatic mezzo] and others shows this posters lack of knowledge of the voice.
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Summers isn't the best example. Garanča also isn't the best example. Horne is superior to both of them. Bartoli is to be admired generally but I can't stand her style of singing coloratura. And why would you choose a clip of callas where she's at her worst and most worn out. Take a clip from the early 50s, where she was a miracle. A true dramatic coloratura would be Sutherland 1960, not damrau. Or edda Moser. Mosers queen of the night is the greatest of all. Damrau acted and acts very well and sings very expressively. But I don't believe that dramatic coloratura repertory did good to her voice. It now sounds thick somehow, and strained in the higher ranges. And Robin muscles out this absolutely useless extreme high notes which don't sound good either.
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What a disservice to Callas. You show all the other singers at the height of their careers and Callas at the very end. Callas was the only true Assoluta of the 20th Century and you do not even acknowledge that. All of the singers here are great in many ways but denigrating Callas to make them seem greater is a real disservice to opera.
I love it but Damrau is not a Dramatic coloratura she not even can sing very well lyrics notes she is a light lyric soprano a Dramatic coloratura would be Edda Moser or christina Deutekom and lily pons was a coloratura leggero too
Those low notes at the beginning though?? 👌👌👌
Its called alt
Yay, so that means I truly am a contralto. My range is somewhere between E3 - C5, sometimes I can go lower, but my voice has to be warmed up properly. When singing higher, it sucks for me and my voice, I hate it. I can go higher, but only in head voice and it's strained as hell, not saying that my voice hurts. It just doesn't feel right, I rather stick to the lower notes where I feel most comfortable in.
Low notes sound almost like a man but I can still tell it's a woman dramatic contralto sound almost man like but you gotta listen to them hard enough
@@rorismarini9278 your vocal range does not determin whether you are a contraalto or a soprano... at least not as an inexperienced voice... I had the same range when I started training. An now I can use my head voice with the right breathing techniques and I am able to belt d6. So dont give up!!!
@@cottoncandy1860 thank you thus is me, too I am learning to lift out of my contralto/tenor range... it is fun, but a little scary, 🙂.. thank you encouraging us, 🙂
That B6 at the end is crazy! Not just because of how high it is, but because of how seamlessly she slid down from it. It shows such an incredible control in her… second mix… between her head voice and her whistle range. Incredible!
omfg hillary summers the contralto sounds soooooo good on the last note "fire"
Damn right. The best note I've heard from a human voice so far.
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I’m definitely a contralto (Bb2-E3 comfortable range). My falsetto range: F4-F5.
@TheSimpOfSSit’s an androgynous timbre, and a little harsh, sadly
Classical female voices:
1-Dramatic Contralto
2-Lyric Contralto
3-Dramatic Mezzo Soprano
4-Lyric Mezzo Soprano
5-Coloratura Mezzo Soprano
6-Wagnerian Soprano
7-Dramatic Soprano
8-Spinto Soprano
9-Lyric Soprano
10-Soprano Sfogato
11-Soprano Leggero
12-Dramatic Coloratura Soprano
13-Lyric Coloratura Soprano
14-Soprano Acuto Sfogato
A profound disservice was done to Callas to feature a clip of her voice so late in her career. Her voice is ragged and in tatters. Very Unfair
Arbiter Veritatis I absolutely agree...it almost seems to be done on purpose...like come on...with all the wonderful clips on RUclips of her singing gloriously in the 40's and 50's why post something from 1974????? I'm glad I knew the true Callas before watching this video!
dasingaman1 I wouldn't want to speculate on motives. But.... I have my suspicions. pax et salus..
Yes, i completely agree with you..It is be done on purpose...it is unfair.
Yes, this clip of Callas (beginning at 4:14) was painful to listen to. Not her best performance, for sure. Her middle range is completely out of balance here.
ofc it is done on purpose :D
Montserrat Caballé was NOT a Spinto Soprano. She was a Lyric Soprano!
Lirico spinto perhaps, so a lyric bordering spinto (she DID sing Turandot...)
@@Yotam1703 lyric Soprano with ample Spinto ,and most beautiful voice ever ♥ ❤
Agreed
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why is joan (who absolutely epitomized the dramatic coloratura singer) not on here? also the worst example was used for callas. she had a wonderful voice, and the recording you used was from the last performance of her career in which her voice was in tatters. awful.
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I'm not an expert!
5:16 I'm not sure that Diana Damrau is a dramatic coloratura soprano, her voice does not seem enough powerful and dark.
Edda Moser and Cristina Deutekom were two real dramatic coloratura sopranos and two wonderful Queens of the Night.
Damrau is a great singer, though! Her interpretation is stunning! :) Could she be a lyric coloratura soprano instead?
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I love that the Callas example you used was from her late career. It shows how very much 'intact' her voice was, even in her latest days.
A few discrepancies -
I would not consider Caballe a spinto, more of a full lyric. However, that's just a point of contention.
Damrau is not a dramatic voice. She has some of the qualities associated with the voice type, but even she's said that she's just a lyric soprano that sings high. A better example would have been the great Joan Sutherland. Talk about a dramatic coloratura...however, it is a VERY rare voice type, so that's why it can be incredibly difficult to pinpoint.
Thanks Ethan, for your comment.
I thought Caballe has good heavy low notes unlike lyrics like Schwarzkopf, R. Fleming, etc. Can you please mention better examples for spinto?
You're right about the great Joan Sutherland. But I felt this aria is too famous to be left out and its meant for a dramatic coloratura. Unfortunately there's no good video of J. Sutherland performing it.
Ajay CM A particularly good spinto soprano would be Leontyne Price. She has the sort of voice with a golden middle and bottom, with high notes that could shake buildings.
And I think Edda Moser would have been a better representative than Damrau for the dramatics. True, Damrau's rendition is incredibly good, but she's not singing as a natural dramatic coloratura.
+Ethan A. Callas was a Soprano Assoluta, so she could be there.
+Ethan A. agree with edda moser exemplifying dramatic coloratura. How about Renata Scotto for spinto?
Edda Moser, Joan Sutherland, Klara Kolonits are dramatic coloraturas
Great compilation. I just started studying singing and this video put a lot of the voice ranges into perspective ! Thanks so much !
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This video has educated me about voice types and I am no longer ignorant about this topic. Thanks!
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If mezzo is the most common voice type, then why are there always 50 sopranos for every 1 mezzo at opera auditions?
Beraud Probably because they’re really high mezzos or lightening their voices. Sopranos are also generally seen as more important to some. They want to sing the highest notes.
Illiam Jocks totally. The most female singers and the most females who sing are lyric sopranos. mezzosopranos are rare and contraltos are the rarest voice type ever (counted with male voice types too)
Dávid Müller Basso profoundos are probably as rare as dramatic contraltos are maybe even rarer.
CHRISTI XX Contralto profondo is lower than a regular dramatic contralto, and I think it's rarer than basso profondos.
Illiam Jocks Eric Holloway is a good example, look him up. for a contralto profundo is Zarah Leander (more of her later years) or Ruby Helder
Birgit Nilsson wasn't a dramatic soprano, she was a true wagner soprano, because her voice was bright, but amazingly loud. Maybe Ghena Dimitrova or Eva Marton could be better examples of dramatic sopranos when they sings Turandot. And Damrau is not a dramatic coloratura. Better example of dramatic coloratura soprano could be Christina Deutekom when she sings Der hölle rache.
Call her what thee wants, but her voice is still fabulous!
Caballe is indeed a spinto. she is able to sing with impressive dramatic weight and even dipped into Wagner with some respectable performances. she is not a lyric (compare her with Renee Fleming, Kiri te Kanawa or Annick Massis. the sound is clearly much weightier and more formidable)
that said, I agree with other posters that Diana Damrau is not a dramatic anything. her voice lacks either the weight or the depth of a more dramatic voice. for dramatic coloratura, try Edda Moser, Rita Shane or, of course, Joan Sutherland.
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No disrespect pal, but I disagree with you calling her a spinto. Her voice is clearly a full-lyric to my ears.
Elina garanca's voice gives me chills and Cecilia Bartoli's voice makes me feel excited
What song is singing ?
OOOH Kathleen Battle's voice sounds so pretty
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last soprano is AWESOME
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Messiah, Part I: Air: But Who May Abide (Alto)
The first opera I listened was DieZauberFlaute's Mozart with Damrau. Incredible!!!!
No one can do the Queen like her, ugh! She's so flawless
ChezFeroce Cristina Deutekom was better
I don't get the 'Wagnerian' soprano categorisation. Wagnerian roles are dramatic soprano roles, not a different fach entirely.
From Wikipedia "Some dramatic sopranos, known as Wagnerian sopranos, have an exceptionally big voice that can assert itself over a large orchestra (of more than 80 or even 100 pieces). These voices are substantial, often denser in tone, extremely powerful and, ideally, evenly balanced throughout the vocal registers. Wagnerian sopranos usually play mythic heroines. Successful Wagnerian sopranos are rare and often Wagnerian roles are performed by Italianate dramatic sopranos.".
Not all dramatic sopranos are able to sing Wagner.
Well that's probably because they're not a dramatic voice. And the vocal qualifications described on Wikipedia are basically the voice type needed for Verdi and Strauss too.
I just think classifying Wagner as a fach alone is a bit misleading. Many dramatic voices who have sang Verdi have sang Wagner too. It's about having the size of the voice to sing the dramatic rep which includes Wagner, Strauss, Verdi, but not Wagner by itself.
There are difference like sfogato, spinto... lots of them are like dramatic soprano related. anyway, this all "Fach" thing is quite old-fashioned. Nowadays opera world is changing, other voice types and fachs are singing different roles, aren't that limited as they were like 50 years ago. The techinque is also changing, or rather- developing. So all that "fach" things are basically a big generalization :)
Some fachs are obvious- like for instance a lyric voice singing Mimi cannot sing dramatic rep like Brunhilde, but really the job of a tenor, soprano, mezzo, contralto, bass, baritone is to cultivate a technique that can handle various different repertoire for their voice type.
But there are hardly any singers like this now.
DiDonato is mezzo and she sang Maria Stuarda made for coloratura soprano. For some voices it is really big limit to make them into some fach, when they can show different color of their voice or have huge range. There are voices that arte able to sing both lyric and dramatic roles.
With Wagner there is one big difficulty that it is not so much about color, but about volume- it's not because of role itself, but more about huge orchestra. Other composers are more likely to be adapted for various voices.
Caballe was a full lyric and Damarau was lyric coloratura. The Callas example was not a good one specially it was in her farewell tour. Great video nevertheless
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In my point of view... Kathleen Battle is Soubrette Soprano with some coloratura skills, because her voice is soft and clear in the both low and high registers, but it's more shinning in the middle register! On the other hand, the Soprano Leggero has a clear timbre over all vocal registers, with more strengh on both middle and high registers!! I think some examples of Soprano Leggero could be Natalie Dessay and Erna Berger, Whose possessed a clear but strong voice for coloratura sopranos! I've read that Soubrette Soprano voice is the "high soprano" from the French Opera School and from the German Opera School, but Soprano Leggero voice is the "High Soprano" from Italian Opera School!!
I've read that some vocal classifications do not match among the French, German and Italian Schools of Opera!
Soubrette came from the German fach. It all means the same under French, German and Italian... "it describes a role than a voice type... it is the high unadulterated voice."
A "leggero" on the other hand is a lyric coloratura.
I certainly agree with what you have said, Battle might be a soubrette.
Soubrette voice lies lower than a lyric soprano, often classified as a lyric mezzo, f.e. Agnes Baltsa is a typical soubrette not a mezzo. Battle isa light lyric.
Kirsten Flagstad is the eternal queen of Norway!
6:15 I'm surprised the glass around her didn't shatter...
Ok, but Diana Damrau is a lyric soprano. Her voice is too small to be a dramatic coloratura (where obviously Sutherland fits the bill perfectly). Also, Birgit Nillson was a Wagnerian soprano (her voice was HUGE), leggero soprano is basically lyric coloratura, and soubrette and coloratura contralto aren't listed. I apologize for my rant.
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I agree about Diana. Sutherland’s voice was not dark enough to be a dramatic coloratura. Callas is a better example. And Birgit’s voice was too bright to be a ‘Wagnerian’ soprano. She had a verismo technique but voice was not huge by nature. It was through technique.
how can lyric voice be heard in opera house without amplification? It's amazing
there are restrictions to lyric voices. as Renee Fleming a Lyric Soprano once said "I cannot sing under heavy orchestration... heavy orchestra".
@@TheChangken I really don't classify Renee Fleming as a lyric. No way. Her instrument is bigger.
@@sosexymagazinerobinwatkins8467 She was the one that mentioned that she is a lyric soprano. It was during one of her materclasses in Juliard.
@@TheChangken But shes not. She's not singing the lyric reperatoire.
@@sosexymagazinerobinwatkins8467 I wasn't able to pull up the actual video of her during this masterclass when I made the exact comment but perhaps you can see for yourself her description on her voice fach. www.nytimes.com/1997/09/14/arts/for-a-wary-soprano-slow-and-steady-wins-the-race.html
Wiki also states that she is a lyric. Voice fach is different from the role that you are partaking. The fach pertains to the tessitura and comfortable range of your voice.
A coloratura soprano (even the soprano sfogato) can also be played SERIOUSLY with a soprano saxophone!!!
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check the video "Classical male voices"
Classical Male Voices
Coloraturas are by far my favorite type
Is it just my impression, or female singers emphasize more voice techniques but sacrifice lyrics? It seems to me that male opera singers sing more lyrics, at least in the "Classical male voices" video.
lllCockroachlll - You're right. In the high range, sopranos sacrifice some articulation in the interests of musical quality. However, the amount of intelligibility sacrificed is not great as it is anyway very difficult for the human ear to understand vowel sounds at high pitch. So its the limitation of both the human voice and ear.
This is why most composers take care so that the high parts in soprano solos sometimes do not have words, or have a single word slurred over several notes, or sometimes repeat words that are heard in other ranges, or the words are not that important.
Cecilia Bartoli really amazed me
I've never been impressed by her. Besides her singing, I don't like all the weird faces she makes. But that's just my opinion.
She is fantastic and its really fun to watch people laugh at her aka being jealous
I think that Tibaldi is a Better exemplo of Spinto Soprano, and Damrau is not a Dramatic Coloratura, but nice video :)
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6:10 That last note, Bb7 I guess, isn't it whistle? It sounds like it's not, so... Damn!
Yes it is a strong whistle. Real head voice can’t go that high with this control. Bb6 in head is at the top of possible head voice range. It’d be an outright scream.
@@KajiVocals doesn't head voice go ± 1 octave above chest? At least it works for every singer I know, and myself. If it's so, than Bb6 head would require ~Bb5 chest, which is impossible, so I guess head voice range can vary
It was a Bb6 and yes, Mado Robin was a freak of nature. She had a stratospheric tessitura and range, inhuman agility and a bird-like bright timbre. She sang all of those notes in head voice - the note is full and has vibrato. A whistle wouldn’t carry over an orchestra.
Some of these I don't agree with. It's understandable, however, that you get many of them incorrect because female voices are harder to classify than male voices.
Volevo dire un drammatico d'agilità
Obsessed with the first clip. What's that from? Quite astounding and wonderful!
Wonderful!
Why today no one sings like Lily Pons or Mado Robin anymore? Have the schools changed so much?
I'm a lyric-mezzo soprano)
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Montserrat is not a spinto!
Ikr, she has a lyric voice. I'd chose Renata Tebaldi as an example of a great spinto, whose voice was lyric too but she did many great dramatic roles as well.
Well she sang all the spinto rep, how could a lyric last through that as long as she did???
I agree Tebaldi, Price, but not Monserrat... And I love Monserrat.
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Agreed
My soul left while watching
Elisabeth Schwarzkopf ....WOW!
Yes! Callas admired her, I believe.
I'll stick with alto. Soprano is hilarious! What was that I listened to - the last singer???? Edit: But after listening to the classical male voices I think I am officially both countertenor and tenor. I dont even belong in the alto range. I sing tenor comfortably! Lol!
Yeah... Mado Robin in the end.....
So many things here are wrong:
- Birgit Nilsson is a true Wagnerian soprano
- Monserrat Cabale is a lyric soprano (can be classified as a full-lirico soprano)
- Diana Damrau IS NOT a dramatic coloratura soprano, she's a lyric coloratura soprano (more like a light-lirico soprano). Honestly this is a disgrace to Joan Sutherland
Birgit was actually not a real dramatic voice. She had a verismo technique but a very high tessitura and a much brighter timbre. Ghena Dimitrova and Rosa Ponselle are better examples. Birgit’s passaggi lied too high to be a real lower soprano. Listen to her Vissi d’Arte. That’s a lyrical instrument there. She’s a lyrical voice singing dramatically - a spinto.
Callas is probably the best example of a dramatic coloratura out there. Along with Virginia Zeani. Sutherland’s voice was also on a more lyrical side. In fact if you listen to Norma with Callas and Sutherland together in it, you’ll hear the difference.
@@KajiVocals but she's best known for her Wagnerian roles (Turandont, Brunnhilde, Isolde, etc.)? she was able to sing over the orchestra for 4-5 hours? her enormous voice and cut-through notes definitely don't belong to a spinto. Actually, she practiced on singing "Queen of the night" to brighten her timbre up. She made herself the one and only Wagnerian soprano!
@@NamHoang-mi4jh I am actually talking about her vocal biology rather than repertoire. She did not have a naturally dark or lower or big voice. All of that came from her technique. Check out her singing the song I Remember When I Was Seventeen. She is using her more ‘neutral’ tone there without darkening.
Also I don’t see why she could not be a spinto. Cerquetti is a spinto and has a similar size.
Also Turandot was actually not written for a ‘dramatic’ voice originally if you look in the score. It’s just written for a veristic soprano. The tessitura in this opera is more suited for higher sopranos. That being said the other roles you mentioned are more dramatic yes.
@@KajiVocals I don't see why she could not be a Wagnerian who can also sing Verdi & Puccini. Again, she learned how to soften her timbre.
Caballé for what I know is a lyric soprano, not an spinto. And the following singer, Wasn’t she a lyric coloratura? I am confused.
Lyrics Soprano with ample spinto and a light coloratura, see Puccini arias Doretta etc ♥
yup im a dramatic contralto
Zeevbitch lyric contralto. I was placed as a tenor in the community choir on account of my deepened voice.
They sound almost like men you gotta really listen to them and tell
great job ! but you forget contralto colorature/lyric colorature... there are not just dramatic & lyric
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Maria Callas is just a soprano assoluto! Maria Callas è un soprano assoluto! Che ne pensate voi tutti? What do you think?
Better example
Contralto - Ferrier, Schumann Heink, and the legendary Clara Butt
Mezzo - Simionato, Barbieri, and the best Ebe Stignani
Lyric Sopranos
Clara Petrella
Claudia Muzio
Lyric Coloratura
Amelita Galli-Curci
Dramatic Coloratura
Maria Callas
Spinto
Renata Tebaldi
Maria Caniglia
Dramatic Sopranos
Rosa Ponselle
Celestina Boninsegna
Rosa Raisa
Lina Bruna Rasa
Maria Pedrini
Caterina Mancini
Anita Cerquetti
Heavy Dramatic or Wagnerian Soprano
Kirsten Flagstad
Birgit Nilsson
Frida Leider
Astrid Varnay
The clips that you have provided in the soprano section do not really illustrate the differences in the fachs...or show repertoire that is illustrative of that particular fach and voice type...hence some dispute over your classification of the various voices.
6:13 try this with your soprano saxophone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Goodd👍
A bitch fell out with that last one absolutely stunning voices woooooow
Mi sembra ne manchino molte delle migliori voci ... trovo errato aver messo un brano della Calla al suo addio alle scene quando era in evidente declino... in carriera le avrebbe stracciate tutte !!!
Монтсеррат Кабалье - вошебство!!! А Марию Каллас не стоило показывать в этом качестве - потере голоса!
What's the name of the aria/song that Montserrat Caballe is singing ?
Nastasja Djordjevic, Willow song from Verdi’s Otello.
Callas sfogato?? The worst example of her divine career!
Podles and Robin are fantastic in their opposite voices!
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I need a little help. My lowest note is F#2/G2 and my highest note is B4/C5. Which type of voice is this? I think, my timbre is dark.
Do you know a name of the aria at 5:17?
The horror is that all these singers, having beautiful natural material, sing with a recessed sound.
What is the name of the Opera Diana Damrau is in at 5:18?
Its the Queen of the Night's 2nd aria from Mozart's opera "Die Zauberflöte" (The Magic Flute)
Der Holle Rache :)
I haven't listened some of the voice types mentioned there😅😅
Do they really even exist???
6:16 eis que vc bate o dedinho
Could anyone pleeeeease tell what kathleen battle is singing at 4:43 :)
Justine Kim frulingsstimmen -Johann Strauss Jr.
Can someone help me a lil here? I think I'm a dramatic contralto, my lowest key is E3 and my highest C5, but my tessitura is E3 to C4
*and I have a pretty strong voice that can be heard over music
We really can't tell. I know that you know this already, but the voice classifications as shown here are not solely based on notes. :)
*and moreover, the strength or loudness of your voice does not determine your vocal type. Most Opera singers sing without microphones, so it's really more dependent on the texture, range, and the abilities that you can do with your voice. Hope this helps. :)
Do you mean passagio? Tessitura is your singing range. Contraltos are extremely rare, and it'd be nearly impossible for you to be one as you sound rather young.
You'd be a mezzo soprano, and most likely dramatic. If your voice is heavy and full sounding, it'd be the best fit. Try arias in lowest voice, and for non-operatic stuff, try spirituals as they'd fit your voice well.
Good luck !!
What song is Lily Pons singing ?
the Bell song from lakme
Bell song
What is the name of the music of the Lyric mezzosoprano ?
Habanera from the opera 'Carmen'
I have no idea how to classify my voice... My range is D3 to E6 although I can't really project below G3 and the break between my head and chest voice is from F5 to A5. Any ideas?
Your range is very similar to mine. (I'm a lyric coloratura soprano) It all depends on if you're more comfortable in your lower register versus the higher. If you can belt musical theatre, go with mezzo-soprano. If you are better at singing high supported notes, consider yourself a soprano.
Fach, the descriptions for each type, are higher to pin down. Most girls below age 20 are soubrettes, which is a young light voice. If you can belt, you'd be dramatic. Dramatic voices are heavier and fuller sounding. Meanwhile, lyric voices are light and tend to flow very well. Those are the two main divisions, and once you figure out which suits you best, then you can go even deeper into descriptions.
Overall just listen to videos of singer's with a fach and range similar, and then base your divisions off that.
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O my days that last one...Opera's answer to Minnie Ripperton :-)
Tralasciando che Maria Callas era un drammatici d'agilità e non un soprano sfogato.... ma ne ha fatte di interpretazioni divine, proprio quella del giappone cm paragone??? La peggiore forse!!!
What's the name of the piece(aria?) Diana Damrau(Dramatic coloratura soprano) sings?
Henry Carey
thanks
who is the aria ,s name at Mado Robin
What is the title of the song that Elena obraztsova was singing?
Nel giardin del bello
3:56 song?
can you please send me the list of the songs they were singing?
12 is der hole rache
4 is habanera
what's the name of the aria Hilary Summers sings?
okay, I already know :)
+Weronika K What is it?
+Faith Robinson it's But who may abide the day of his coming, from Messiah
where is alto voices ?
Ceyda Yarkent The term "Alto" is usually only used in choral terms. while an alto's voice is higher, it isn't used in classical terms.
Lirico spinto...il migliore la Tebaldi....
why i cannot watch this?
I am confused about how my voice should be classified... I can fairly easily go down to b2, a2 if I struggle a bit, high notes are easy up to f5 for me but I can do up to f6 most days and sometimes higher although most of that sounds bad imo because I haven't really worked on that part of my voice much. The thing is my low notes and my high notes are fairly strong, my middle range is where I struggle more and I also struggle with trying to make my high notes sound less piercing and kind of shrill? If that makes any sense.
what is katheelen singing ?
Lander12 strauss’ Voices of Spring. Put in her name and that title and the performance pops up.
mandaron cualquiera en varias cosas acá.
Maria Istenem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kisrten flagstad sounds much more like a mezzo
Noooo Listen to her singing Wagner
where the heck is colatura contraltooooo
It doesn’t exist as a fäch. Neither does coloratura mezzo. Those classifications are not a part of the Kloiber fäch system. They are made up.
Ewa Podles is really a coloratura contralto, agile with an expansive range. A dramatic coloratura perhaps, but that is way overly fussy given that there are probably 3 coloratura contraltos on earth right now.
Where is Tebaldi which is better than Callas (over rated)
Claude Michaud false, Tebaldi neither had a low register, nor a high one. Nor Maria's sense for drama or dynamical variety.
@@Gameworks1407 Well, Tebaldi and Callas both have their strengths and flaws so back off. Tebaldi respected Callas and so does Callas to Tebaldi.
@@Gameworks1407 You hate Tebaldi? She was so good!
Once again someone who does not really understand operatic voices trying to categorize female voices and failing utterly. Podles is a dramatic mezzo with a strong lower extension and well-developed technical skills that allow her to sing Wagner, Bellini, Rossini, Vivaldi and 20th Century composers. Callas is an "Assoluta" who cannot be categorized in our 20th Century manner as she is a throwback to the era when soprano was not truly distinguished from mezzo or contralto. Also, it is an insult to her greatness to use her incredibly late work which she did only as a favor to DiStefano who needed the money from the tour to get medical treatment for his wife. Nilsson was the successor to Flagstad as the next greatest Wagnerian soprano of the 20th Century. Both Nilsson and Flagstad sang non-Wagner roles so this distinction is artificial and inaccurate. The lack of Price and Tebaldi [true spintos]; Sutherland [a true dramatic coloratura] Cossotto [a true dramatic mezzo] and others shows this posters lack of knowledge of the voice.
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Btw.
- Wagnerian sopranos are a subset of dramatic sopranos (All wagnerian sopranos are dramatic sopranos, but all dramatic sopranos are not wagnerian). I know Nilsson is a wagnerian, but I'll still use her for dramatic soprano as I cannot see anyone better for a non-wagnerian dramatic soprano aria like "in questa reggia".
- Both assoluta and sfogato are female voices who are equally comfortable with contralto, mezzo and soprano roles. Replaced with a better video of Callas showing her vocal range and ability
- I didnt use sutherland in this older video because I wanted to use "Der Holle Roche" and I couldn't find a video of Sutherland singing it anywhere.
- Would you say Elena Obraztsova is not a dramatic mezzo? She'll stay
- Can you recommend anyone else for a dramatic contralto?
Why in the world did you choose that awful performance by Maria Callas?
Summers isn't the best example.
Garanča also isn't the best example. Horne is superior to both of them.
Bartoli is to be admired generally but I can't stand her style of singing coloratura.
And why would you choose a clip of callas where she's at her worst and most worn out. Take a clip from the early 50s, where she was a miracle.
A true dramatic coloratura would be Sutherland 1960, not damrau. Or edda Moser. Mosers queen of the night is the greatest of all.
Damrau acted and acts very well and sings very expressively. But I don't believe that dramatic coloratura repertory did good to her voice. It now sounds thick somehow, and strained in the higher ranges.
And Robin muscles out this absolutely useless extreme high notes which don't sound good either.
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What a disservice to Callas. You show all the other singers at the height of their careers and Callas at the very end. Callas was the only true Assoluta of the 20th Century and you do not even acknowledge that. All of the singers here are great in many ways but denigrating Callas to make them seem greater is a real disservice to opera.
I love it but Damrau is not a Dramatic coloratura she not even can sing very well lyrics notes she is a light lyric soprano a Dramatic coloratura would be Edda Moser or christina Deutekom and lily pons was a coloratura leggero too
Poodles is male bro😮
sorry but that was awful 4:25
Angus Berwick they chose her absolute worst performance unfortunately!!!
Where the fuck osthe colortura contralto
Lyric contralto, Lyric mezzo, coloratura mezzo, leggiero soprano, soubrette = fake voice types!