Oh my goodness did this bring up my own experiences/feelings/trauma in the CTM (the Brazilian MTC). I too went on a mission with an diagnosed mental illness. Which spiraled out of control and only ended when my family demanded that I be brought home. My experiences in Brazil as a missionary led to me own leaving of the church.
I can't comment about the Brazilian mission, but I can comment about the control of these organised religions that set themselves up as God's emissaries while covering up their own inexperience and errors, which is my personal experience. A mother has the right to make decisions for her own children, particularly in circumstances like this. You question these leaders and they can be very nasty. It's never their fault. You've got the problem, and you probably have after all that frustration.
Another point here. If a woman is ruined because she has sex before marriage, what happens to rape victims? Christ loves, forgives and heals. He doesn't make it worse.
Thank you Gretchen Day! We faced similar problems with our son's mission as you did. I can't wait to share this with my wife. It will help her very much. I wish I could go back to that time--my wife kept me from going crazy at the leaders.
Well, I absolutely adore John Dehlin, but some of his programming can required quite a time commitment. I wonder if John has ever experimented with "snapshot" summaries like RUclips is now doing. Probable just doesn't have the time that that effort would take.
My brother nearly died on his mission! My dad had to threaten the church to get him released! The mental n physical damage still exists! If they're worried about the "good name" of the church, they should care for their sheep! Because, the memory lasts!
Sterling: You would be amazed at how many total strangers, who you will never know or meet, love your very soul and think that you are just about the bravest person on the planet. I am in awe!!!
Missions are abusive. Some worse than others. Mine was on the worse side. It gave me an idea what it was like to be a POW. The mission was an internment. When I got home I felt spiritually raped. I had severe PTSD. I didn't really know it at the time but I knew something didn't feel right. And as the church works, I was the one who felt guilty for how I felt about the mission..... because no one speaks bad about the mission experience, which is the most highly kept and guarded secret in the church......that missions are usually pretty awful. As I learned about dealing with trauma, I learned that everything you feel about a circumstance/situation are legitimate feelings. The church will teach that those bad feelings come from Satan. It's all so destructively bad.
I met numerous missionaries during my decades of investigating. I’ve heard some crazy stories. Some told me that Jesus Christ resides in the SLC temple and the prophet & apostles commune with him. Some missionaries start out gung-ho, then I visit them at the end of their sentence and they have a washout gloss over their face as if they have PTSD. I’d make eye contact with them and talk slowly, but there’s a blank stare. When I asked where did that other missionary go, and say oh he got moved or went home sick. One missionary at the near end of her term said it’s ok to drink tea. Would you say good 40 to 50% must end up going inactive or resigning after the missionary service?
I'll bet you were just an awful missionary. Whining long afterward doesn't look good on anyone. If you've left the church, thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out. If you haven't left yet...get out. Your weakness and confusion will not be missed.
Wow, this was a great, great episode. Well.. all episodes are great, but this one increased my love and passion to love and reach Mormons for Christ even more. Thank you.
@@jacobopstad5483 . Me too. I hope it didn’t take too much of your life’s enjoyment. 10 years later I still occasionally catch myself thinking through the LDS prism about life
@@michaeltaylors2456 Having grown up in the church, its influence on my life was fundamental. It's been a real journey letting go of all the lies and manipulation and finding out about my real self.
I agree with what she is saying. I am having a similar problem like her son did but in a different way. I am right now having a Bishop lieing to me about a do not want to care about me at all of what I want to do.
My mission was also a personal hell but seriously why is he trying to go to BYU? It’s only going to be slightly different than the mission. They have a very very weird culture around sex especially . . . Good God, just go to the U 😅
I grew up taking speech therapy until I was in 12th grade for a significant stutter. Still had major parts in every major production from 7th to 12th grade; it took hard work and persistence. The GOP attacks on POTUS for verbal faux pas makes my blood boil. He stutters too! I feel you pain because I have been there. People worthy of your love, love you regardless of your speech pattern. The taunters and the mimickers are only showing their own shallowness and insecurities when they attempt to make fun. It still hurts, but what does not kill you makes you strong. Never give up!
@@nsasupporter7557 Understood. But my hope for you is that YOU heal and find your own peace in your heart and mind. That organization does not define you in any way, shape, or form.
@@randallreed9048 I don’t know what your background is but I was born and raised LDS. Something that I knew and that was my whole life since I was born completely betrayed me and that’s 1 of the most traumatic experiences that anyone could ever have. The only thing that’s gonna help heal me is to share my story on a podcast like this
You are his mother and have the mantle to advocate for your son always. It’s really between God and the Missionary and that’s all. I who’d have point blank days no. Poor kid. The Bishopric are Lay people and are learning as they go.
I think I might have bumped into her Son before. Did he ever try to get a temp job in UT County in the last 2 years? The description of his personality sounds vaguely familiar, remember the individual I was working with also said he served in a mission in Brazil. Remember one day he came to work with his mind completely cracked by bumping into a church authority accusing him of odd thought crimes and accusations.. The pour soul was on a 10-20 sec recurrent loop of all the dramatic events/ history he learned cycling and finding new paths. Tried to stabilize his anxiety, getting him to talk out his line of thought on one concurrent path, but he seemed to have a lot of processing thoughts colliding all at once.
Any reason why my comments have been deleted? They are honest and not abusive. I am with this mother, not against her. Whoever deleted my comments has something to hide. Thank you for all these comments.
This victim blaming comment is disgusting. Awful, life altering things happen to the most pious believers in all religions. Bad things happen because the world sucks, not because people don't "believe enough" foh
@@HunterLvyiXIII nope, maybe I wasn't clear enough, but wasn't victim blaming. Intent was entirely directed towards leadership. The young man encountered horrible, un-christlike leadership. I wasn't saying that he wasn't following Christ enough, it was the leaders
@@HunterLvyiXIII if something someone says is vague or unclear, especially if it's coming from someone you don't know, assuming it's the worst interpretation and calling them disgusting is not the thing to do.
With all my respect for your journey and what happened to your son, but I would like to make two corrections. Brazilians usually eat large meals during lunch. The Missionaries eat lunch with members, not dinner. I am Brazilian and I have never heard of this belief that if you do not eat everything on your plate, it is considered disrespectful to the mother, in reality we believe that if you eat everything you put on your plate was because you liked the food. And that makes us happy. And if you repeat it and eat more, it is a sign that you loved it. I think your son felt pressured to eat too much to make people "happy".
I want the name of that institute instructor.. ! That taught the bible is theories.. I stopped going to church, and I know how broken it is.. that each leader is no more inspired then the brethren .. who profess they are prophets , seers or revelators ! they walk after their own understanding and not Gods. They don’t have (priesthood) because they don’t have the Holy Ghost , who is the one that giveth (Authority) to Act. I here these stories and I am glad I got out.. the Spirit told me touch not the UN clean thing.. boy their traditions of men mingled with scripture.. So sad how section 121 is totally true..
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Oh my goodness did this bring up my own experiences/feelings/trauma in the CTM (the Brazilian MTC). I too went on a mission with an diagnosed mental illness. Which spiraled out of control and only ended when my family demanded that I be brought home. My experiences in Brazil as a missionary led to me own leaving of the church.
I can't comment about the Brazilian mission, but I can comment about the control of these organised religions that set themselves up as God's emissaries while covering up their own inexperience and errors, which is my personal experience. A mother has the right to make decisions for her own children, particularly in circumstances like this. You question these leaders and they can be very nasty. It's never their fault. You've got the problem, and you probably have after all that frustration.
Another point here. If a woman is ruined because she has sex before marriage, what happens to rape victims? Christ loves, forgives and heals. He doesn't make it worse.
Sh-h-h-h! Don't let John Lee hear you or he will wag his "better than you" finger at you and call you a quitter. Such Christian love...
Thank you Gretchen Day! We faced similar problems with our son's mission as you did. I can't wait to share this with my wife. It will help her very much. I wish I could go back to that time--my wife kept me from going crazy at the leaders.
OH MY ! Thanks for your brazenness and I hope this goes viral.
These highlights are fantastic! I almost never miss them where I can’t always get to the multi hour interviews.
Thank you so much for this great feedback! We are so glad to hear you are enjoying them.
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Well, I absolutely adore John Dehlin, but some of his programming can required quite a time commitment. I wonder if John has ever experimented with "snapshot" summaries like RUclips is now doing. Probable just doesn't have the time that that effort would take.
My brother nearly died on his mission! My dad had to threaten the church to get him released! The mental n physical damage still exists! If they're worried about the "good name" of the church, they should care for their sheep!
Because, the memory lasts!
Thanks for sharing my story!
Thank YOU for allowing your story to be shared!
Sterling: You would be amazed at how many total strangers, who you will never know or meet, love your very soul and think that you are just about the bravest person on the planet. I am in awe!!!
Missions are abusive. Some worse than others. Mine was on the worse side. It gave me an idea what it was like to be a POW. The mission was an internment. When I got home I felt spiritually raped. I had severe PTSD. I didn't really know it at the time but I knew something didn't feel right. And as the church works, I was the one who felt guilty for how I felt about the mission..... because no one speaks bad about the mission experience, which is the most highly kept and guarded secret in the church......that missions are usually pretty awful. As I learned about dealing with trauma, I learned that everything you feel about a circumstance/situation are legitimate feelings. The church will teach that those bad feelings come from Satan. It's all so destructively bad.
I met numerous missionaries during my decades of investigating. I’ve heard some crazy stories. Some told me that Jesus Christ resides in the SLC temple and the prophet & apostles commune with him. Some missionaries start out gung-ho, then I visit them at the end of their sentence and they have a washout gloss over their face as if they have PTSD. I’d make eye contact with them and talk slowly, but there’s a blank stare. When I asked where did that other missionary go, and say oh he got moved or went home sick. One missionary at the near end of her term said it’s ok to drink tea. Would you say good 40 to 50% must end up going inactive or resigning after the missionary service?
@@laurencek.1580 50% end up going inactive and/or eventually leaving.
I'll bet you were just an awful missionary. Whining long afterward doesn't look good on anyone. If you've left the church, thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out. If you haven't left yet...get out. Your weakness and confusion will not be missed.
@@johnlee1352 Your ignorance is unbelievably potent...
@@sterlingday6362 What? You think he was a good missionary? Wow
Wow, this was a great, great episode. Well.. all episodes are great, but this one increased my love and passion to love and reach Mormons for Christ even more. Thank you.
I'm glad her son is doing better now 😊
I love this woman!!!
She's totally right. That is very unhealthy.
I was discriminated against by this religion because I have a speech impediment. Words cannot describe how much I hate this cult
I adore this Momma bear.
"Protect the good name of the church"
From what? From its own actions?
All church disciplinary councils are based on this principle. Protect the Church’s reputation.
@@michaeltaylors2456 I'm so glad I've learned not to give them any power over me anymore
@@jacobopstad5483 . Me too. I hope it didn’t take too much of your life’s enjoyment. 10 years later I still occasionally catch myself thinking through the LDS prism about life
@@michaeltaylors2456 Having grown up in the church, its influence on my life was fundamental. It's been a real journey letting go of all the lies and manipulation and finding out about my real self.
Great video! They should teach the importance of mental health in schools. Keep up the great work!
In solidarity 👊🏼
As an ex-Mormon I can tell you that the SCC doesn't actually give a **** about people's mental states.
I agree with what she is saying. I am having a similar problem like her son did but in a different way. I am right now having a Bishop lieing to me about a do not want to care about me at all of what I want to do.
Gretchen, as mother to a special needs child dx'd bipolar, ADD and HFA, I can totally relate to Mama Bear fighting to protect her cub.
Woah that is an impressive momma bear moment to get the bishop to backtrack on the temple reccomend!
This ex Mormon Mother should be elevated to a LDS Leader PROPHET and that church would be clean as a it newer was before.
What a horrible church
Amen.
Lightbulb 👍😇❤️
My mission was also a personal hell but seriously why is he trying to go to BYU? It’s only going to be slightly different than the mission. They have a very very weird culture around sex especially . . . Good God, just go to the U 😅
Gretchen is describing the church re-victimizing ppl by casting them as villains and calling those who question apostate.
This brought up my own experience of being discriminated against because I have a speech impediment. Words cannot describe how much I hate this cult
I grew up taking speech therapy until I was in 12th grade for a significant stutter. Still had major parts in every major production from 7th to 12th grade; it took hard work and persistence. The GOP attacks on POTUS for verbal faux pas makes my blood boil. He stutters too! I feel you pain because I have been there. People worthy of your love, love you regardless of your speech pattern. The taunters and the mimickers are only showing their own shallowness and insecurities when they attempt to make fun. It still hurts, but what does not kill you makes you strong. Never give up!
@@randallreed9048 which is what the Mormon religion is a prejudice cult that needs to be destroyed
@@nsasupporter7557 Understood. But my hope for you is that YOU heal and find your own peace in your heart and mind. That organization does not define you in any way, shape, or form.
@@randallreed9048 I don’t know what your background is but I was born and raised LDS. Something that I knew and that was my whole life since I was born completely betrayed me and that’s 1 of the most traumatic experiences that anyone could ever have. The only thing that’s gonna help heal me is to share my story on a podcast like this
Go mama bear!
How do I get on here
Indeed, following Christ is our salvation.
The church has always been horrible with people that have a crisis. I learned in youth never to go to church leaders for anything that is serious.
You are his mother and have the mantle to advocate for your son always. It’s really between God and the Missionary and that’s all. I who’d have point blank days no. Poor kid. The Bishopric are Lay people and are learning as they go.
I think I might have bumped into her Son before. Did he ever try to get a temp job in UT County in the last 2 years? The description of his personality sounds vaguely familiar, remember the individual I was working with also said he served in a mission in Brazil. Remember one day he came to work with his mind completely cracked by bumping into a church authority accusing him of odd thought crimes and accusations.. The pour soul was on a 10-20 sec recurrent loop of all the dramatic events/ history he learned cycling and finding new paths. Tried to stabilize his anxiety, getting him to talk out his line of thought on one concurrent path, but he seemed to have a lot of processing thoughts colliding all at once.
Don’t trust those who claim to be GD right about everything.
Any reason why my comments have been deleted? They are honest and not abusive. I am with this mother, not against her. Whoever deleted my comments has something to hide. Thank you for all these comments.
It’s actually the fourth time. The first was totally trying to erase the entire history of Native American.
That's so sad. Wonderful things can happen in the church and on a mission when people are actually following Christ
This victim blaming comment is disgusting. Awful, life altering things happen to the most pious believers in all religions. Bad things happen because the world sucks, not because people don't "believe enough" foh
@@HunterLvyiXIII nope, maybe I wasn't clear enough, but wasn't victim blaming. Intent was entirely directed towards leadership. The young man encountered horrible, un-christlike leadership. I wasn't saying that he wasn't following Christ enough, it was the leaders
@@HunterLvyiXIII if something someone says is vague or unclear, especially if it's coming from someone you don't know, assuming it's the worst interpretation and calling them disgusting is not the thing to do.
With all my respect for your journey and what happened to your son, but I would like to make two corrections. Brazilians usually eat large meals during lunch. The Missionaries eat lunch with members, not dinner.
I am Brazilian and I have never heard of this belief that if you do not eat everything on your plate, it is considered disrespectful to the mother, in reality we believe that if you eat everything you put on your plate was because you liked the food. And that makes us happy. And if you repeat it and eat more, it is a sign that you loved it. I think your son felt pressured to eat too much to make people "happy".
Or maybe Mormonism is a cult.
This whole story is messed up there behaviour is disgraceful
I want the name of that institute instructor.. ! That taught the bible is theories..
I stopped going to church, and I know how broken it is.. that each leader is no more inspired then the brethren .. who profess they are prophets , seers or revelators !
they walk after their own understanding and not Gods. They don’t have (priesthood) because they don’t have the Holy Ghost , who is the one that giveth (Authority) to Act.
I here these stories and I am glad I got out.. the Spirit told me touch not the UN clean thing.. boy their traditions of men mingled with scripture..
So sad how section 121 is totally true..
Oh, yeah, that's right: The REAL problem is simply one mixed-up instructor.
PEOPLE make mistakes, church is still true.
Sure Jan
The people ARE the church. And that's the problem.
Read the CES letter
which part?