For everybody asking what it is or what it does, it is an ESP 32 device and it does what those do, which is actually very flexible depending on what the firmware allows and what application is programmed for it. They are very limited on resources such as actual horsepower and give it as a and you could do with that what you need as far as an interface to control other more powerful objects or to link it to home, smart devices, mesh devices, etc. It's not something that is meant. Dw replace your Android or iPhone or anything like that. It is more like a pocketable e-paper touch display for your home. Automations temperatures, lighting and anything else. You can link the MS task deck or linking that to iftt
I love e-papers, but imagine having a really private conversation over it, you turn it off and leave it on your desk... and whole conversation remains on the screen for everyone to read 😂
I suppose the answer would be to blank the screen before powering down, but if you don't refresh the screen enough you still run the risk of it being readable with screen ghosting. e-Paper is great stuff, but you gotta think if it's the best for your needs. Here I think it's good because it's so low power, but you aren't going to be watching films on it any time soon.
Looks awesome! Just one really tiny little, minor thing: wtf is it supposed to be??! A smartphone replacement? A wireless hub? A rescue device? Am I a moron? Probably.
It's a developer platform? You write your own programs and test them out on it to see what your ideas would feel like as a prototype. It's like a toy for developers, like the old Cybikos and the barbie PDA from 20 years ago.
It’s a prototyping device. They give you hardware and bare-bones software mostly as examples to follow when developing your own then we have to do the rest
LilyGo are TOTALLY kicking a$$ with their prototype gear 😮 It's like an ESP32 ePaper, Wifi, LoRa iPhone 👍 lol This video seems to have been exclusively promoted to the totally wrong crowd, there's a dozen mouth breathers on here all expecting you to explain it in Play School language 🙄
Seeing some of the questions, it was obvious it got suggested to a casual tech review group. 😑 which is fine if they are new but they need to do a little research themselves before they start Commenting.
@@dukewaller7392 I'd probably recommend a 48 min video by Dronebot Workshop called "Introduction to ESP32 - Getting Started" G00GLE ESP32 for beginners for more options... If you're not already familiar with microcontroller programming though it is a bit intense.
I'd love to have a case for it that blocks all the ports and provides drop protection. I'm very keen on something like this as a dedicated interface to Home Assistant, or anything that would benefit from 1) a simple touch interface, and 2) being free from notifications/bloat/surveillance on a smartphone.
They STILL haven't made it right yet! It's ESP32, E-Paper, LORA, Keyboard. Without the keyboard, the LORA has little purpose. The E-Paper allows it to be super-low power. All together you have your "Apocalypse Messenger" device. Why can't somebody finally bring this all together?
I think they might be waiting for the Meshtastic UI to do firmware for this, I've used it a little and it has a pretty nice software keyboard, and a lot of the interface, while usable with arrow key/trackball, is much more touch or at least mouse friendly.
Why does it need a separate battery management chip? I am doing a project right now that does battery management with the base ESP32. Is that not recommended?
Thank you for the review, LoRa is a top feature. It seems to have a 200 mAh battery and the range based on the previous T-Deck plus should reach 300 meters open air (without being inside buildings). GPS is an obvious downside but was also missing a speaker and microphone to make it perfect. Are these possible to add in future versions?
So right now this is a device that tells you the battery capacity and lets you charge it. It also has a radio that tells you what frequency it’s using but doesn’t do anything. I’m confused. What’s it for?
Lora is a system, that can send messages with low power long distances. Metastatic is just fancy software used for texting each other. In other words this product can text each other long distances without using cellular or WIFI just radio waves. Its a bit experimental and things are moving along like he said, they don't even have the Metastatic firmware yet. The more people using this thing, and it will get better, they bounce off each radio extending reach.
Whatever you program it for. This is not a product for end consumers but for DIYers looking for a finished hardware product. Many people might use it for meshtastic or for homeassistent
I have a Boox Palma 2 -- also an e-paper (e-ink specifically) device that I got specifically for working with Meshtastic outdoors. Android 13, great display with fantastic visibility in the sunshine and a good frontlight for use at night, good performance, BT 5.0, WiFi, etc. -- it's basically an e-ink phone without a cellular radio. Also turned out to be super easy to root it for superuser access so you can do things like back up entire apps and their data in a specific state. Let me know if you want me to test it with anything specific.
Cool! Are you in my discord? Would you mind sending me a video of the meshtastic app running on the boox and entering texts on the on screen keyboard?😁 Here's a Discord invite! discord.gg/p7HKCES8
@@andykirby A screen refresh after each letter, will cause brain hemorrhage🤣 But i be glad that the T5 is an open device. I can put on any display i like😎
Shows as $73 USD for me which isn't cheap, it's nicely integrated so it'll suit some niche applications. I'm wondering if there's battlefield messaging use for this actually though signals are an issue there.
They really need to start making cell phones with this kind of screen so you can actually see it in daylight. I'm still confused as to what this device actually does and why I'd want one.
If you're into meshtastic, it will do that when the community builds it out. If you're a creative programmer, you can use this to do all sorts of nonsense.
flash is there to clear out the ghosting with this type of display that occurs after displaying an image. on an i reader i could set it to full refresh every few page turns i stead of every.
nope, it's not a smart device at all. It's a mesh radio devkit. It's for developers who want to test how their own programs would work on the platform.
@@tdata545 ah okay sorry, just watching out since there are a lot of people in these comments who are unfamiliar with the entire category of DIY-ish hardware.
Andy what's a good cheap CB radio that works like the ic-705 or the 7300. I love walking talkis and CB radios but I can't afford a 600 pound to 1,000 pound CB radio and if u see this comment I really a want a CB radio with a water fall if you can find one online
A screen should be a combination of color epaper, a translucent color LED display above that, and an MIP LCD screen above that (no panel) It should also have a refreshable tactile display (even if it's only one 6-bit character output for reading) 2 touches at once isn't enough, the maximum should be at least 10 16 shades of gray is pretty embarassing, my Hisense A5 Pro CCs had 4096 colors
Lilygo hardware is cool, and their customer support for hardware issues is not bad. But the software support is awful. I have the previous version of this product, the T5 4.7" 2.3 and there is no ESP-IDF support for it, and none coming. $50 not well spent.
Seems like mostly a dev platform at this stage. It could theoretically be a Meshtastic communicator/e-reader for text files. Would be more potentially useful if it had a GPS and compass.
Its a cell phone back in the day...😮 So.. im curious, what the draw back with e-paper with fast refresh like juste a blink...🤔 - Power consumption? - CPU or hardware limitations? - screen longevity...? (Back light or not ?) 😮😊😊😊
Cant you tell whats this device going to do is it a remote control or a consol 😢you needs to learn how dont waste time of people. Not everyone is aware of technology, you have to tell first general information about product, later tecnical detailing.
This needs Meshtastic ASAP. NICE!
I agree! This is rad!
This
Agreed!
I would buy it for meshtastic
For everybody asking what it is or what it does, it is an ESP 32 device and it does what those do, which is actually very flexible depending on what the firmware allows and what application is programmed for it. They are very limited on resources such as actual horsepower and give it as a and you could do with that what you need as far as an interface to control other more powerful objects or to link it to home, smart devices, mesh devices, etc. It's not something that is meant. Dw replace your Android or iPhone or anything like that. It is more like a pocketable e-paper touch display for your home. Automations temperatures, lighting and anything else. You can link the MS task deck or linking that to iftt
It'd be great as a remote for Home Assistant
Very cool Andy, good to see it when it’s running Ripple and/or Meshtastic code.
OMG another lilly go going in to my collection lol great video
That's cool thanks Andy I just purchased a Lily Go t-deck plus just waiting for it to be shipped 😎👍👍🇨🇦
no offense but are you going to tell us wtf it does
It's a portable black & white TV.
It’s a Meshtastic node
It's an Eye phone 17....
Lmfao!!! Exactly what I was thinking!!
it's a tool for people to test prototypes of their programs. For programmers, "ESP32" is all he needed to say for us to know what it does.
I love e-papers, but imagine having a really private conversation over it, you turn it off and leave it on your desk... and whole conversation remains on the screen for everyone to read 😂
I suppose the answer would be to blank the screen before powering down, but if you don't refresh the screen enough you still run the risk of it being readable with screen ghosting.
e-Paper is great stuff, but you gotta think if it's the best for your needs. Here I think it's good because it's so low power, but you aren't going to be watching films on it any time soon.
Very cool, has quite enough screen space to be useful.
Looks awesome! Just one really tiny little, minor thing: wtf is it supposed to be??! A smartphone replacement? A wireless hub? A rescue device? Am I a moron? Probably.
It's a developer platform? You write your own programs and test them out on it to see what your ideas would feel like as a prototype. It's like a toy for developers, like the old Cybikos and the barbie PDA from 20 years ago.
It’s a prototyping device. They give you hardware and bare-bones software mostly as examples to follow when developing your own then we have to do the rest
With its help you can demonstrate to others that they are morons who cannot understand what it is)))
I’ve got a coworker with an e-paper watch that is just so cool looking
Wow this thing looks incredible!
a comparison video with m5paper would be great
LilyGo are TOTALLY kicking a$$ with their prototype gear 😮
It's like an ESP32 ePaper, Wifi, LoRa iPhone 👍 lol
This video seems to have been exclusively promoted to the totally wrong crowd, there's a dozen mouth breathers on here all expecting you to explain it in Play School language 🙄
Seeing some of the questions, it was obvious it got suggested to a casual tech review group. 😑 which is fine if they are new but they need to do a little research themselves before they start Commenting.
Where can a noon go to understand this type of tech?
@@dukewaller7392 I'd probably recommend a 48 min video by Dronebot Workshop called "Introduction to ESP32 - Getting Started"
G00GLE ESP32 for beginners for more options...
If you're not already familiar with microcontroller programming though it is a bit intense.
@@troymd2009 Yup, they just want new stuff to be sold to them so the algorithm throws them anything "tech". They don't know nothin' bout nothin'.
It has a bright backlight unlike....
I'd love to have a case for it that blocks all the ports and provides drop protection. I'm very keen on something like this as a dedicated interface to Home Assistant, or anything that would benefit from 1) a simple touch interface, and 2) being free from notifications/bloat/surveillance on a smartphone.
just buy any old android that can run graphene os like the pixels and find a nice thick rubber case for it.
2:32 can't wait for a 50 gray scales one
What can you do with it
It allows text messaging and location sharing without cellular or wifi connection. For use in emergency situations or remote locations.
They STILL haven't made it right yet! It's ESP32, E-Paper, LORA, Keyboard. Without the keyboard, the LORA has little purpose. The E-Paper allows it to be super-low power. All together you have your "Apocalypse Messenger" device. Why can't somebody finally bring this all together?
love this device, it will be great for meshtastic, maybe a hardmounted solution
This is a great example of a product launch for a product no one wants.
I think they might be waiting for the Meshtastic UI to do firmware for this, I've used it a little and it has a pretty nice software keyboard, and a lot of the interface, while usable with arrow key/trackball, is much more touch or at least mouse friendly.
Love to see what it looks like inside if that a possibility. I'd also like to know what gpio is left for add ons.
It's a box...with wifi and ram and stuff!
Yeah Baby!! Need moar boxes. And stuffs.
I admit I've got a bias
To any batch of silicon that be rocking a BIOS
It's a boring old esp32 worth 10p that's wrapped in stuff.
Why does it need a separate battery management chip? I am doing a project right now that does battery management with the base ESP32. Is that not recommended?
As sooon as this gets Meshtastic I'm buying 4
Thank you for the review, LoRa is a top feature. It seems to have a 200 mAh battery and the range based on the previous T-Deck plus should reach 300 meters open air (without being inside buildings). GPS is an obvious downside but was also missing a speaker and microphone to make it perfect.
Are these possible to add in future versions?
Reticulum would love this
Yeah, the Ripple firmware is making good progress hopefully soon the dev can two way messaging between RNodes (reticulum) and this device working.
So right now this is a device that tells you the battery capacity and lets you charge it. It also has a radio that tells you what frequency it’s using but doesn’t do anything. I’m confused. What’s it for?
Lora is a system, that can send messages with low power long distances. Metastatic is just fancy software used for texting each other. In other words this product can text each other long distances without using cellular or WIFI just radio waves. Its a bit experimental and things are moving along like he said, they don't even have the Metastatic firmware yet. The more people using this thing, and it will get better, they bounce off each radio extending reach.
really curious to see how well typing works on e-paper.....
Looks like as Emhance gonna do some testing as soon as this has meshtastic!
But why isn't the circle button not symmetrical???
That's crazy that it's sold out and it doesn't have meshtastic support yet.
Cool. What does it do?
Whatever you program it for. This is not a product for end consumers but for DIYers looking for a finished hardware product. Many people might use it for meshtastic or for homeassistent
I have a Boox Palma 2 -- also an e-paper (e-ink specifically) device that I got specifically for working with Meshtastic outdoors. Android 13, great display with fantastic visibility in the sunshine and a good frontlight for use at night, good performance, BT 5.0, WiFi, etc. -- it's basically an e-ink phone without a cellular radio. Also turned out to be super easy to root it for superuser access so you can do things like back up entire apps and their data in a specific state. Let me know if you want me to test it with anything specific.
Cool! Are you in my discord? Would you mind sending me a video of the meshtastic app running on the boox and entering texts on the on screen keyboard?😁
Here's a Discord invite!
discord.gg/p7HKCES8
I second Andy's proposal.
3:20 is that flickering really that bad or is that an artifact of the video?
Its the led lights I use in the studio. It doesn't flicker to the naked eye.
@@andykirby Hello, great video! Can you do later a comparison between it and the m5paper, please?
@@andykirbyit can flicker to the naked eye if you code it to..
Wonder if a touch keyboard is possible for messages?
I think you can do partial refresh of the screen so it should be possible
@@andykirby
A screen refresh after each letter, will cause brain hemorrhage🤣 But i be glad that the T5 is an open device. I can put on any display i like😎
Shows as $73 USD for me which isn't cheap, it's nicely integrated so it'll suit some niche applications. I'm wondering if there's battlefield messaging use for this actually though signals are an issue there.
when i see Lora, i dig it
They really need to start making cell phones with this kind of screen so you can actually see it in daylight. I'm still confused as to what this device actually does and why I'd want one.
If you're into meshtastic, it will do that when the community builds it out. If you're a creative programmer, you can use this to do all sorts of nonsense.
Is there highier quality screen that doesnt flicker at every refresh. I’ve seen eink devices for note taking and they dont flicker..
The M5paper seems to be better
flash is there to clear out the ghosting with this type of display that occurs after displaying an image. on an i reader i could set it to full refresh every few page turns i stead of every.
What is it? What’s eps2037?
What is it?
off-grid communication device maybe
More imortant is what isn't it.
Developer tool. Like a toy for programmers.
@PixlRaibow
I'd argue it's more than a toy since you can use them for serious prototyping work, but yes, that's an accurate description
Whatever you want it to be
Nice overview video, God bless.
Why don't you open with what it is/what it does?
What does it do?
It could be a Alternative for the outdatet Palm Pilots.
Uh, what is it for?
E book reader?
Does this have GPS module?
No
@@andykirby Did @randylayman965 watch the video?
is it just an onyxboox phone? with less "PHONE" in it and more "TABLET"
nope, it's not a smart device at all. It's a mesh radio devkit. It's for developers who want to test how their own programs would work on the platform.
@@PixlRainbow I have a T Deck Plus, I'm familiar with this line of products.
@@tdata545 ah okay sorry, just watching out since there are a lot of people in these comments who are unfamiliar with the entire category of DIY-ish hardware.
@@PixlRainbow No probs.
What will it do?
Whatever you programme it to do
What is it for? Is it a phone? Does it have a government assigned IMEI number that is linked to the owner?
0 with a dot means zero, to differenciate with the letter O.
It would be cool if you could review the raspberry pi geobox
Does it put out a full 1Watt? I'm not buying another device unless it does!
very cool
Almost disappointed there's no SIM slot, haha
like the arctic... or the UK... lol
Muuuah! Great! This little guy HAS an SD-Slot - Samsung S24 has NOT! #Samsung look here - This is the right way!😁
I wish it had color
Andy what's a good cheap CB radio that works like the ic-705 or the 7300. I love walking talkis and CB radios but I can't afford a 600 pound to 1,000 pound CB radio and if u see this comment I really a want a CB radio with a water fall if you can find one online
A screen should be a combination of color epaper, a translucent color LED display above that, and an MIP LCD screen above that (no panel)
It should also have a refreshable tactile display (even if it's only one 6-bit character output for reading)
2 touches at once isn't enough, the maximum should be at least 10
16 shades of gray is pretty embarassing, my Hisense A5 Pro CCs had 4096 colors
nice
Lilygo hardware is cool, and their customer support for hardware issues is not bad. But the software support is awful. I have the previous version of this product, the T5 4.7" 2.3 and there is no ESP-IDF support for it, and none coming. $50 not well spent.
I watched the entire video and still have no idea what its used for. You show no real world example of how you would go about using this item.
It's a development device, like all the other ESP32 devices out there 😁
@ okay. What are you developing?
@ I guess is coding that i have no understanding of.
Mesh Radio software, like meshtastic and ripple and reticulum etc.
@@andykirby thank you 🙏🏼
I'ts quite incredble. that 1min in, there's absolutely no explanation to what the heck you are going to present. =P
Right at the beginning, I say it's an ESP32 device. It's basically a development platform.
👍🏼😮👍🏼
2-minute the screen isn't mat; I don't like how glossy and reflective it is.
Why ESP32 🤷♂️
very thin bezels for an e-ink device
And? Did you demonstrate what it does? I am not interested only of the settings...
It's for developers. The expectation is that you write your own programs. It doesn't come with anything beyond drivers out of the box.
@@PixlRainbow , it might has been a good idea to tell that in the video!
@@DypoMage when he says "ESP32", that is a commonly used wireless microcontroller chip which will be familiar with many hardware hackers/DIYers.
What is it for ?????
Seems like mostly a dev platform at this stage. It could theoretically be a Meshtastic communicator/e-reader for text files. Would be more potentially useful if it had a GPS and compass.
It's a book reader like an Amazon Kindle.
To woo women.
Whats power consumation of this?
To wipe your butt
BLE and GPS missing 😢
It has BLE
This is really cool but the lack of GPS is a bummer. I guess this would probably be for linking with a phone so maybe it's not there because of that.
Its a cell phone back in the day...😮
So.. im curious, what the draw back with e-paper with fast refresh like juste a blink...🤔
- Power consumption?
- CPU or hardware limitations?
- screen longevity...? (Back light or not ?)
😮😊😊😊
Wonder how long it'll take before there is a browser with b&w porn pics just like the good old WAP days.
Am not sure exactly what am watching
I love my gadgets, and this one looks nice. Hopefully they'll add a GPS.
Why would you need GPS in an ereader?
Thanks for showing something you can’t get as you are reviewing 🤦🏻♂️
Wtf do you do with it?
you write programs and fuck around. It's for developers.
annnnnd its gone.
Cost should drop some when they get it on RISCV vs Xtensa which is closed IP.
long story in short, i not see it working
Looks like something from temu , as in , it costs , but it's rubbish
They look cool, but we can NEVER program them, and their support is horrible!
! The support team has stepped up!😭
@@lilygoactivities2783 Does not matter if they cannot be programmed.
We want also: solar panel to be rechargeable, improved meshtastic for blockchain to be paid for being online and send/receive money.
But what does it do ?
Overall a nice unit, but that refresh will drive me crazy. I'd rather stick with oled.
For the right battery life it's tolerable for what I'd use it for.
Would be nice with a larger battery to be used as a portable charger for devices as well.
No find no card
Need a T-Deck with color eink display.
Cant you tell whats this device going to do is it a remote control or a consol 😢you needs to learn how dont waste time of people. Not everyone is aware of technology, you have to tell first general information about product, later tecnical detailing.
This is depressing..
Junk
Great E-waste 😂😂😂
Shutup and take my money
Wtf is it
off-grid communication device maybe
Whatever you want to program it to be
More important is what it isn't.