When a band is very special to you it's most important to be honest. If you just don't feel it's there it's ok to let it be known. A band needt criticism to become better and Sabaton values critical fans in the fullest. Keep up the great work and keep being this honest, because Sabaton will only grow stronger that way
for historians and sabatonfans this video is full of eastereggs. all those real persons you mentioned are actually mostly all people sabaton made other songs for. for instance the lady that came out of the door watching the planes flying was the leader of the nightwitches which were off course all those planes flying there. the open car you saw in the middle of the street was the car in which the crownprince of austria was shot to death that started the war. and so we can go on and on. but also those who are fan of motörhead could see great easter eggs like the bus to hammersmith in the beginning. so lots of stuff was packed in it. for the rest it is taste, and yes I love this one but also because I knew what I was seeing. and no for me the original is not the best song of lemmy sorry. but as i said taste you cannot debate about.
The soldier pulling himself out of the mud, at first I thought he was a member of "The Smoking Snakes" (Força Expedicionária Brasileira, FEB, nicknamed Cobras Fumantes), but doing some more research with the patch on his shoulder as well as his helmet, that's Sgt Henry Johnson of the 15th New York National Guard Regiment, aka "The Harlem Hellfighters". Medal of Honor recipient and recipient of French Croix de Guerre avec Palme, France's highest award for valor. The Medal of Honor was awarded to him in 2015. Sgt. Henry Johnson is "one of the five bravest American soldiers in the war." Theodore Roosevelt Jr. in his book "Rank and File: True Stories of the Great War" The Asian soldier with the cocked-hat, that's a Nepalese Gurka named Havildar Gurung (per the credits) who earn the Victoria Cross in the Burma campaign off WWII. Sgt Awal Nur, who did a secret mission over the Himalaya, Lt. Audie Murphy, Sgt. Alvin York, both Medal of Honor recipients, just to name a few. I also notice a soldier with the Croix Lorraine on what looks like a French flag arm band, meaning he was a member of the 'Forces françaises libres' forces in WWII. Doing some reading I found out that a large number of French colonial troops from territories such as Chad had joined with the 'Forces françaises libres'. I suspect that soldier is Lt Comba, but I can't find anything on him. As I've been working my way through the names listed in the credits and found another one: Private George Stringer, Manchester, Awarded the Victoria Cross at the Battle of Es Sinn in Mesopotamia. Capt. Dobson, 1st Canadian Infantry Battalion, Killed on 9 July 1916 in Flanders.
For me, it was the exact opposite. I heard Sabaton's version before I heard Motorhead's, and I think that plays a part (to an extent). No disrespect to Lemmy, but I could hardly stand the sound of the original. Doesn't mean it was bad, it just wasn't my "cup of tea". But at the same time, it really isn't fair to compare them to each other, because both bring a different...something...to the table. Lemmy's was simple in the delivery, while Sabaton's was an epic gut-punch. I didn't cry with Lemmy's, but I tear up almost every time I listen to Sabaton's. It's like "who's was better: Sound of Silence by Simon and Garfunkel or Disturbed?" Both good in their own right while also being different.
Also, not only were the soldiers based on real people, but they are also people from other Sabaton songs. Robert the Bruce (Blood of Bannockburn), Sgt. York (82nd All The Way), Leonidas (Sparta), the woman in the doorway looking up (Night Witches), just to name a few.
I would explain the difference this way: Sabaton did this as a ballad. It had an epic feel, and I could picture this being played in a tavern as a way to celebrate the loss of life and pay some honor to the fallen soldiers. The original sounded like a dirge. Very mournful and somber. All about taking the moment to stop and remember. I liked the remake for sure, but 1916 was perfect the first time. There are very few songs that are perfect right away, but this is one of them.
A good explanation of the differences between the two, they definitely feel like two interpretations of the same idea, and each fill their respective niche quite well
Fair criticism. Personally, I like both versions of the song. To reuse the words, Lemmy's original is definitely all the song it needs to be but at the same time, I'm more likely to hear the Sabaton version due to the different emotions they carry. To somewhat compare it to movies - Hot Fuzz and The World's End are both excellent movies. I'd say the latter is even more masterfully written and crafted but I'm more likely to watch the first because it's much easier to digest while the other can hit too hard when I'm not in the right mood for it. I think both songs can easily co-exist and are both important emotional interpretations of the same tragedy. The quietness, the simplicity, Lemmy's voice almost being haunting, accompanied by an organ - that's a funeral march and it has the gravity of a funeral march. Sabaton's version is, as stated, much more of a production. Louder, stronger, in your face, with very present marching drums. It's a protest song. You hear the first while you mourn the ones who lost their lives and hope they find peace in their graves. You listen to the second because you're angry that the tragedy happened in the first place. I think what I like so much about it is that it carries a strength and anger the fallen children didn't get the chance to feel, let alone voice, over the injustice of their deaths. But without sadness, we'd lose sight of why protest and anger are needed and that's why Lemmy's 1916 will always be important and irreplaceable, no matter how many reinterpretations might pop up in the future.
All the other historic soldiers, are easter eggs... subjects of other Sabaton songs. Thank you for not cutting the credit reel...just wish you hadn't spoken *over* the song, instead, pausing to comment. Appreciate you enjoying Sabaton. On the band's Sabaton History Channel you can find a "making of" episode for this video.
Excellent reaction and analysis. For me this is a moving tribute to both Lemmy Kilmister and all of the warriors throughout history who marched off to fight, and possibly die, for their homeland. RIP, you are missed, and appreciated. Numerous underaged Americans enlisted after Pearl Harbor, the most famous being Audie Murphy (Sabaton's "To Hell and Back" is about his service while the music video is more about his recovery from what is now known as PTSD). Among them was my uncle who enlisted in the US Navy at 16.
They are two very different versions of the same song, both has their place I think. I spoke to a person that, like you, really loved Motörhead's version and he was pissed of that Sabaton did this cover. My way to see it is that if this is first thing you hear, more people will find Lemmy's version so it's basically a win win.
Twelve days after the Armistice was declared on 11th November 1918, the Prime Minister, Lloyd George, promised that his government would “make Britain a fit country for heroes to live in”. Inspiring words, but like many political promises, much harder to turn into reality. Certainly nothing could be the same again.
@@lunageeksout when they run the credits, mikkey and phil are standing in the doorway when motorhead is listed. lemmy's picture was seen carried near the end of the video proper.
When a band is very special to you it's most important to be honest. If you just don't feel it's there it's ok to let it be known. A band needt criticism to become better and Sabaton values critical fans in the fullest. Keep up the great work and keep being this honest, because Sabaton will only grow stronger that way
for historians and sabatonfans this video is full of eastereggs. all those real persons you mentioned are actually mostly all people sabaton made other songs for. for instance the lady that came out of the door watching the planes flying was the leader of the nightwitches which were off course all those planes flying there. the open car you saw in the middle of the street was the car in which the crownprince of austria was shot to death that started the war. and so we can go on and on. but also those who are fan of motörhead could see great easter eggs like the bus to hammersmith in the beginning. so lots of stuff was packed in it. for the rest it is taste, and yes I love this one but also because I knew what I was seeing. and no for me the original is not the best song of lemmy sorry. but as i said taste you cannot debate about.
The soldier pulling himself out of the mud, at first I thought he was a member of "The Smoking Snakes" (Força Expedicionária Brasileira, FEB, nicknamed Cobras Fumantes), but doing some more research with the patch on his shoulder as well as his helmet, that's Sgt Henry Johnson of the 15th New York National Guard Regiment, aka "The Harlem Hellfighters". Medal of Honor recipient and recipient of French Croix de Guerre avec Palme, France's highest award for valor. The Medal of Honor was awarded to him in 2015.
Sgt. Henry Johnson is "one of the five bravest American soldiers in the war."
Theodore Roosevelt Jr. in his book "Rank and File: True Stories of the Great War"
The Asian soldier with the cocked-hat, that's a Nepalese Gurka named Havildar Gurung (per the credits) who earn the Victoria Cross in the Burma campaign off WWII.
Sgt Awal Nur, who did a secret mission over the Himalaya, Lt. Audie Murphy, Sgt. Alvin York, both Medal of Honor recipients, just to name a few.
I also notice a soldier with the Croix Lorraine on what looks like a French flag arm band, meaning he was a member of the 'Forces françaises libres' forces in WWII.
Doing some reading I found out that a large number of French colonial troops from territories such as Chad had joined with the 'Forces françaises libres'. I suspect that soldier is Lt Comba, but I can't find anything on him.
As I've been working my way through the names listed in the credits and found another one: Private George Stringer, Manchester, Awarded the Victoria Cross at the Battle of Es Sinn in Mesopotamia.
Capt. Dobson, 1st Canadian Infantry Battalion, Killed on 9 July 1916 in Flanders.
I love your shelves. A man who truly appreciates history. Fantastic. Have a blessed life friend.
For me, it was the exact opposite. I heard Sabaton's version before I heard Motorhead's, and I think that plays a part (to an extent). No disrespect to Lemmy, but I could hardly stand the sound of the original. Doesn't mean it was bad, it just wasn't my "cup of tea". But at the same time, it really isn't fair to compare them to each other, because both bring a different...something...to the table. Lemmy's was simple in the delivery, while Sabaton's was an epic gut-punch. I didn't cry with Lemmy's, but I tear up almost every time I listen to Sabaton's. It's like "who's was better: Sound of Silence by Simon and Garfunkel or Disturbed?" Both good in their own right while also being different.
Also, not only were the soldiers based on real people, but they are also people from other Sabaton songs. Robert the Bruce (Blood of Bannockburn), Sgt. York (82nd All The Way), Leonidas (Sparta), the woman in the doorway looking up (Night Witches), just to name a few.
Same for me
Lemmy couldn't sing, but oh he could write.
Great reaction, thanks! Not Apocalyptica - Tina Guo :-) (you've got it at the end ;) )
I would explain the difference this way: Sabaton did this as a ballad. It had an epic feel, and I could picture this being played in a tavern as a way to celebrate the loss of life and pay some honor to the fallen soldiers. The original sounded like a dirge. Very mournful and somber. All about taking the moment to stop and remember. I liked the remake for sure, but 1916 was perfect the first time. There are very few songs that are perfect right away, but this is one of them.
A good explanation of the differences between the two, they definitely feel like two interpretations of the same idea, and each fill their respective niche quite well
Tina Guo on cello...
Fair criticism.
Personally, I like both versions of the song. To reuse the words, Lemmy's original is definitely all the song it needs to be but at the same time, I'm more likely to hear the Sabaton version due to the different emotions they carry. To somewhat compare it to movies - Hot Fuzz and The World's End are both excellent movies. I'd say the latter is even more masterfully written and crafted but I'm more likely to watch the first because it's much easier to digest while the other can hit too hard when I'm not in the right mood for it.
I think both songs can easily co-exist and are both important emotional interpretations of the same tragedy.
The quietness, the simplicity, Lemmy's voice almost being haunting, accompanied by an organ - that's a funeral march and it has the gravity of a funeral march.
Sabaton's version is, as stated, much more of a production. Louder, stronger, in your face, with very present marching drums. It's a protest song.
You hear the first while you mourn the ones who lost their lives and hope they find peace in their graves. You listen to the second because you're angry that the tragedy happened in the first place. I think what I like so much about it is that it carries a strength and anger the fallen children didn't get the chance to feel, let alone voice, over the injustice of their deaths. But without sadness, we'd lose sight of why protest and anger are needed and that's why Lemmy's 1916 will always be important and irreplaceable, no matter how many reinterpretations might pop up in the future.
All the other historic soldiers, are easter eggs... subjects of other Sabaton songs.
Thank you for not cutting the credit reel...just wish you hadn't spoken *over* the song, instead, pausing to comment. Appreciate you enjoying Sabaton. On the band's Sabaton History Channel you can find a "making of" episode for this video.
Excellent reaction and analysis. For me this is a moving tribute to both Lemmy Kilmister and all of the warriors throughout history who marched off to fight, and possibly die, for their homeland. RIP, you are missed, and appreciated.
Numerous underaged Americans enlisted after Pearl Harbor, the most famous being Audie Murphy (Sabaton's "To Hell and Back" is about his service while the music video is more about his recovery from what is now known as PTSD). Among them was my uncle who enlisted in the US Navy at 16.
They are two very different versions of the same song, both has their place I think. I spoke to a person that, like you, really loved Motörhead's version and he was pissed of that Sabaton did this cover. My way to see it is that if this is first thing you hear, more people will find Lemmy's version so it's basically a win win.
Twelve days after the Armistice was declared on 11th November 1918, the Prime Minister, Lloyd George, promised that his government would “make Britain a fit country for heroes to live in”. Inspiring words, but like many political promises, much harder to turn into reality. Certainly nothing could be the same again.
Did you not see the Motorhead flag and surviving members of Motorhead in the video?
Honestly I have no idea what any of the Motörhead members look like, aside from Lemmy
@@lunageeksout when they run the credits, mikkey and phil are standing in the doorway when motorhead is listed. lemmy's picture was seen carried near the end of the video proper.
@@danmabeethe guy holding the picture of Lemmy is Eddie Rocha, he was the tour manager for Motörhead and the current one for Sabaton.
Of course this is 30+min video lol
Lots of stuff to talk about!
@@lunageeksout that's what makes ur vids so good
dude!? 😟