Im starting my carpentry apprenticeship this week and not sure if the m1 or the m4 eould be better for me. Ill be doing residential renos and new builds
I've had my M1 since the middle of 2017. I love hearing people make fun of me cause I spent so much on a hammer. I let them drive a couple nails with it. I have yet to see someone drive a nail halfway and not produce a smile on their face. I have even converted the Stiletto Ti-bone users that just got their Stiletto. The only 2 hammers I own are Mark's designs, the Stiletto that I got 6 years ago, and the M1 which is far superior to the Stiletto. The only thing I like better about the Stiletto is the side nail puller. I can get nails that are barely protruding and ones protruding only 1/8th of an inch as opposed to the M1 which it needs to be higher than 1/8th of an inch.
MV^2 So if you double the mass it is double the energy. If you double the velocity you QUADRUPLE the the energy. Can you swing it twice as fast? You don't need to.
This is something I'm also curious about. On the Martinez site, it states the M1 is 16" and the M4 is 14".. It does not specify if that's total assembled length including the head or just the actual length of the handle alone. I'd like to know the completely assembled length of both variations, it's a deciding factor of purchase.
So. Curious the difference between the M4 and the Dewalt Titanium hammers. I've had my Dewalt 15 oz.. trim hammer for 4 yrs. It's great has saved my arm thru that time. Getting older I think the 3 oz. Will make a huge difference. Thoughts?
When u chuck it on the scales how much does actually weigh in grams? My 20 oz is 807 grams the M1 and M4 SB 300 Dogyu Bar = 425 grams Rabone Stanley Set Square = 428 Grams 20 oz Estwing Hammer = 803 grams Stilleto 16 ounce fibre handle = 875 g NWS Nips = 255 grams Fatmax tape = 558 grams
Excellent review! What would make this review better is if you reshot it in higher resolution and used a mic, minus the storm. I really appreciated the review and plan to get both the M1 and M4 after I get some more urgent tools 1st!
For someone who does commercial shop fitting, so pretty much everything from early framing to nailing fibre cement down and trim work which would you recommend, would the m4 be able to still hold up with framing in comparison to my 20oz. Milwaukee
If you haven't ordered already, I would recommend you to buy an M4 with an M1 head, and put an M4 smooth head into the basket too. That way, you can not go wrong. Although the M4 would serve you right with the lighter head just as well. The hammer is head heavy, you can swing with it, but won't destroy your arm while you're doing finishing carpentry work.
Thanks for the video... sound was rough to listen to though... question - for the m1, why did you not get the waffle faced hammer instead of the smooth face?
There is never ever a need for a waffle faced hammer. Even if you get one, the face will be worn off and smooth in at least a year. And your thumb might thank you if you're a newbie.
I only use a waffle while using a lot of hot dipped galvanized nails. Other then that, I use smooth. I have the the M1 with both smooth and waffled faced but the smooth installed almost permanently. I also have the M4 with both dimpled M4 and the the smooth M4w and the M4w is installed almost permanently. Both handles are curved. And yes, in the past I crushed my index finger tip with a 28oz estwing waffle and trust me, I know what you mean. Ouch!!! Skin and muscle spilt to the bone and exploded finger nail... so yah, smooth for me WHENEVER possible! Only on galvanized. Lollll
Not for me it didnt i broke one of the claws off my m1 (my fault for standing on it pulling things that it shouldn't have) but the difference is that I didnt have to get a whole new hammer mark sent me a new m1 head and I was back in business
I was thinking of getting the M4 and putting a m1 head on it. I don’t frame right now, but I do use a hammer for 3 things 1) Demoing a window frame (mostly to bring the center bracket free, and to use a cold chisel to bang out one corner of a window frame 2) Rubber mallet to help place the window when installing... little persuasion when it’s tight 3) a 12oz rubber mallet with a small head. I use it and a piece of block to hit snap trim on the slots for the window.
Hey mate aussie chippy here looking to throw all his money at one of these bad boys. Used estwing for 15 years or more. Is the m1 got a real long shaft like a formworkers hammer or just look longer because of the m4. Thing thats putting me off these is the length of shaft vs estwing and also the claw. The straight claw looks like a formworkers hammer also i found over years the straighy claw just can't get into as tight spots and the round claw. My work is majority 2nd fix so soffit framing clad fix but i seen a video from mark saying the m4 cant pull out framing nails as it voids warrenty? Any advice and your opinion can you take some over all measurments for me in metric 🤣 cheers bloke
Hi mate im in the same boat as you from new zealand im use to the standard length of an estwing arount 350mm i found out the m1 is 450mm and the m4 is 350mm like the estwing. Im still contemplating on witch one to get myself. Those long shafts are a pain when your in a horrid position on a truss or for soffits but im not sure how much grunt the m4 will have compared to a 20 ounce estwing. Did you buy one in the end i would love to hear your thoughts.
Hi man i just purchased an m4 from people tool company in australia and got it sent here to nz the length of the M4 is about 20 or 30mm longer than a standard estwing and the thing hits a touch harder than a 20oz estwing even with the 12oz head. I thought id need the N1 head but the n4 head is better then a 20oz estwing so im stoked.
I have massive respect to what Mark has done for the hammer industry. I love my Stiletto but only the timber handle one. Just my preference. I wouldn't buy a Martinez. The 5 degree angled face is rubbish, a gimmick really. For that to be efficient your hand needs to be in the same position when striking the nail, 5 degrees below the horizontal line of the nail head. It's a flawed theory. The nail pullers are ok on gun nails but on thicker nails especially ringshanks, you'll snap the head off. The most efficient way is using the claw BUT not the traditional way. Just use physics.
Everyone who has one of these, is gonna say they're great, to justify the incredible price tag they have (already) paid,,, You can get 10 Estwing SureStrike Hickory handled hammers, for the price of one of these, which have better balance and shock /vibration reduction... (imho).. These are just "big boys toys",,, (imho),, Good luck putting it down, and it still being there, five minutes later, (on most jobs,) !!!
Titanium hammers are objectively better, they can hit just as hard and because the titanium absorbs a significant amount of energy more you feel it less in your arm and can do the same thing longer and healthier.
@@tylerperlenfein Yeah, but they're a scum magnet,, turn your back for a minute, and some low life will steal it,, but I suppose that's what hammer loops are for,, ha ha,, ⚒️🤣
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Im starting my carpentry apprenticeship this week and not sure if the m1 or the m4 eould be better for me. Ill be doing residential renos and new builds
solid review, too bad you recorded it during a hurricane...
I've had my M1 since the middle of 2017. I love hearing people make fun of me cause I spent so much on a hammer. I let them drive a couple nails with it. I have yet to see someone drive a nail halfway and not produce a smile on their face. I have even converted the Stiletto Ti-bone users that just got their Stiletto. The only 2 hammers I own are Mark's designs, the Stiletto that I got 6 years ago, and the M1 which is far superior to the Stiletto. The only thing I like better about the Stiletto is the side nail puller. I can get nails that are barely protruding and ones protruding only 1/8th of an inch as opposed to the M1 which it needs to be higher than 1/8th of an inch.
MV^2 So if you double the mass it is double the energy. If you double the velocity you QUADRUPLE the the energy. Can you swing it twice as fast? You don't need to.
How long is the m4
This is something I'm also curious about. On the Martinez site, it states the M1 is 16" and the M4 is 14".. It does not specify if that's total assembled length including the head or just the actual length of the handle alone. I'd like to know the completely assembled length of both variations, it's a deciding factor of purchase.
@@AJ-od7mv same here
@@levipankey 18" from end to end on the completely assembled M1 frame. Finally got an answer
So. Curious the difference between the M4 and the Dewalt Titanium hammers. I've had my Dewalt 15 oz.. trim hammer for 4 yrs. It's great has saved my arm thru that time. Getting older I think the 3 oz. Will make a huge difference. Thoughts?
I understand doing framing work.. but usually using a hammer for light work restoration and flipping I trust my cheap Kobalt hammer for now.
When u chuck it on the scales how much does actually weigh in grams? My 20 oz is 807 grams the M1 and M4
SB 300 Dogyu Bar = 425 grams
Rabone Stanley Set Square = 428 Grams
20 oz Estwing Hammer = 803 grams
Stilleto 16 ounce fibre handle = 875 g
NWS Nips = 255 grams
Fatmax tape = 558 grams
Excellent review! What would make this review better is if you reshot it in higher resolution and used a mic, minus the storm. I really appreciated the review and plan to get both the M1 and M4 after I get some more urgent tools 1st!
For someone who does commercial shop fitting, so pretty much everything from early framing to nailing fibre cement down and trim work which would you recommend, would the m4 be able to still hold up with framing in comparison to my 20oz. Milwaukee
If you haven't ordered already, I would recommend you to buy an M4 with an M1 head, and put an M4 smooth head into the basket too. That way, you can not go wrong. Although the M4 would serve you right with the lighter head just as well. The hammer is head heavy, you can swing with it, but won't destroy your arm while you're doing finishing carpentry work.
Thanks for the video... sound was rough to listen to though... question - for the m1, why did you not get the waffle faced hammer instead of the smooth face?
There is never ever a need for a waffle faced hammer. Even if you get one, the face will be worn off and smooth in at least a year. And your thumb might thank you if you're a newbie.
I only use a waffle while using a lot of hot dipped galvanized nails. Other then that, I use smooth. I have the the M1 with both smooth and waffled faced but the smooth installed almost permanently. I also have the M4 with both dimpled M4 and the the smooth M4w and the M4w is installed almost permanently. Both handles are curved.
And yes, in the past I crushed my index finger tip with a 28oz estwing waffle and trust me, I know what you mean. Ouch!!! Skin and muscle spilt to the bone and exploded finger nail... so yah, smooth for me WHENEVER possible! Only on galvanized. Lollll
With the new steel heads did that solve the claw breaking issue?
Not for me it didnt i broke one of the claws off my m1 (my fault for standing on it pulling things that it shouldn't have) but the difference is that I didnt have to get a whole new hammer mark sent me a new m1 head and I was back in business
damn i swing my hammer alot more than 74 times a day, i need to invest in one of these, i wanna get a 14 inch m4 handle with a m1 15oz head
Hey mate, did you get the curved grip on m1? You still prefer it to straight?
Love the name..
Chippy,
No matter you really did your homework bud.
I have Stanley estwing and dead on
Now to try an m1
In currently using the Martinez M4 curved handle with the M1 smooth head far better than the estwing
How do you like that setup? I like the smallness Of the M4 but a heavier head would be cool.
@@monkeynipzlova yeah really like it swinging good would recommend
I was thinking of getting the M4 and putting a m1 head on it.
I don’t frame right now, but I do use a hammer for 3 things
1) Demoing a window frame (mostly to bring the center bracket free, and to use a cold chisel to bang out one corner of a window frame
2) Rubber mallet to help place the window when installing... little persuasion when it’s tight
3) a 12oz rubber mallet with a small head. I use it and a piece of block to hit snap trim on the slots for the window.
Just so everybody knows…the HEAD of the M2 is 15oz not the entire hammer, the entire thing weighs 32oz, it’s quite heavy
The M1 or M4 ? I don’t think he has a M2.
@ typo..M1
Thanks man!
how much did it cost you?
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Hey mate aussie chippy here looking to throw all his money at one of these bad boys. Used estwing for 15 years or more. Is the m1 got a real long shaft like a formworkers hammer or just look longer because of the m4. Thing thats putting me off these is the length of shaft vs estwing and also the claw. The straight claw looks like a formworkers hammer also i found over years the straighy claw just can't get into as tight spots and the round claw. My work is majority 2nd fix so soffit framing clad fix but i seen a video from mark saying the m4 cant pull out framing nails as it voids warrenty? Any advice and your opinion can you take some over all measurments for me in metric 🤣 cheers bloke
Hi mate im in the same boat as you from new zealand im use to the standard length of an estwing arount 350mm i found out the m1 is 450mm and the m4 is 350mm like the estwing. Im still contemplating on witch one to get myself. Those long shafts are a pain when your in a horrid position on a truss or for soffits but im not sure how much grunt the m4 will have compared to a 20 ounce estwing. Did you buy one in the end i would love to hear your thoughts.
Hi man i just purchased an m4 from people tool company in australia and got it sent here to nz the length of the M4 is about 20 or 30mm longer than a standard estwing and the thing hits a touch harder than a 20oz estwing even with the 12oz head. I thought id need the N1 head but the n4 head is better then a 20oz estwing so im stoked.
@@motorsport32cw hey mate update on the M4?
@@tomhume560 still going strong after a solid year and a half. Love it. Very nice to use.
@@motorsport32cw any cons ? And have you change the head or grip? Cheers
Ugh what about nailguns
Good video just take little more to edit, and get a nicer microphone
If you going to get one which one ?
Over Dose definitely the M1
I have massive respect to what Mark has done for the hammer industry. I love my Stiletto but only the timber handle one. Just my preference. I wouldn't buy a Martinez. The 5 degree angled face is rubbish, a gimmick really. For that to be efficient your hand needs to be in the same position when striking the nail, 5 degrees below the horizontal line of the nail head. It's a flawed theory. The nail pullers are ok on gun nails but on thicker nails especially ringshanks, you'll snap the head off. The most efficient way is using the claw BUT not the traditional way. Just use physics.
Tengo el m1 y lo pese en una bascula y pesa 31 onzas. Alguien sabe cuánto pesa el m4
Everyone who has one of these, is gonna say they're great, to justify the incredible price tag they have (already) paid,,,
You can get 10 Estwing SureStrike Hickory handled hammers, for the price of one of these, which have better balance and shock /vibration reduction... (imho)..
These are just
"big boys toys",,, (imho),,
Good luck putting it down, and it still being there, five minutes later, (on most jobs,) !!!
Especially when u drive 5 nails a day come on nail guns do the work now days
Titanium hammers are objectively better, they can hit just as hard and because the titanium absorbs a significant amount of energy more you feel it less in your arm and can do the same thing longer and healthier.
@@tylerperlenfein
Yeah, but they're a scum magnet,, turn your back for a minute, and some low life will steal it,, but I suppose that's what hammer loops are for,, ha ha,, ⚒️🤣
@@John..18 ya, they definitely are more likely to walk away because of how nice they are unfortunately
Eat some groceries and it won't matter