She CANT KEEP Getting Away With IT!
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
- This is a lot of fun! Her response was excellent and well appreciated. Please go check out what she has to say its a fantastic video.
Link to her video: • Reacting to the "DEBUN...
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Love how you both are actually DISCUSSING your opinions in the vids & not arguing. I have learned from both sides!
You got me with that title. I was like, uh oh! 😳 😂 I love that y’all are having a respectful dialogue about this. It’s so refreshing in these social media days. I understood what you were trying to say in the other video and I appreciate the info about mature stems producing more mature leaves. I’ve kind of seen that on the internet with moss pole chops but to see those thick chonks produce larger leaves is really interesting. I hope you get ahold of a “v1” and do your experiments.
I honestly love this! I'm learning from you both! You're both one of my favorite plant-tubers and I think these videos are an awesome and a great way to initiate discussion!
Really glad to see how positive this reaction was.
Kaylee is really the one who could do the definitive test. Send tissue from her T1 and tissue from a T2 to her TC lab, then grow out a batch of TC of both at the same time. Not that she probably cares enough to put that much time and money towards it.
I love the space for conversations you create in the plant world! You’re open and receptive to hearing what people have to say. Keep up these kinda vids! The plant world is stagnant, let’s create conversation, based on different opinions.. as you have!! Thank you!
Being a tech person myself is simple. You have to have both to do an accurate comparison. Kaylee Ellen's points were very truthful videos. She has been doing this for years. Small form vs large form, for instance. But thank you for being respectful. Her Thai 1.0 vs Thai 2.0 are very good. Her dish the dirt series is awesome.
I can give you sooooo many names of biolegists and people who work in botanical gardens specified in airoids who don't even belive in large vs. Small form.
I have seen the differences in person between large and small form. If they are so well known how come you didn't name any names. Your spelling of biologists wasn't even correct.
im still on the fence with large vs small form because if I put 30 plants up against the wall and you had to tell me which is which I dont think you could. I actually wanted to test this out but when i reached out to experts in the monstera groups none of them could tell me how to buy a small form or large form and declaritively know that im getting what i think im buying.
basically it boils down to a very large monstera is obviously large form but anything small is either small form or poor conditions.
I have seen the differences, there are many videos try monstera deliciosa vs borsigianna. There are many differences. Just like an Albo borsigianna vs Thai Constellation plants. I look at various sources. Because there are sports or variations. There are differences to plant ages, and plant species. Look how many plants go by pothos names.
@@EMuro-wu7uy can you link me some good sources about small and large form. Ive tried to ask experts in facebook groups about the difference and its basically. Small form is small form until it isnt then its large form. Like there is no definitive way to test besides literally setting it a conservatory with best conditions and if it doesnt size up in a year or two it would be small form.
I want to put this to the test and buy for sure small form but no one can give me a 100% way to verify im getting small form and not just a plant that wasn't grown in optimal conditions.
Kaylee, can you please just send him one of those haggard leaves from your Thai 1.0 so he can poke around with it in his basement? 🤣
Exactly what I was saying!!!
Here for the plant drama and the RESPECTFUL discussion, love both channels even more for this nice way of posting responses ❤☘️🌵
For sure I have no ill will towards Kaylee!
I’m glad you replied so fast and cordially. I enjoyed the videos from both of you today.
Wow now that was a fast reply. Love it. Thanks for sharing 😊
I loved her video and also saw that many people are missing what I was trying to illustrate.
Really enjoying the different takes and opinions on these plants. Keep going. 🙂
Everything depends on the mother plant you pick for TC or for taking a cutting. Obviously if you pick a cutting from an adult plant with a very thick stem it’s going to grow faster, cause evidently the size of a TC plant it’s going to be smaller (it grows from a couple of cells) but it doesn’t matter, you are going to have a clone from your mother plant, so you can’t say it’s going to be weaker or not compact, it’s going to be a clone, and when it’s acclimated out of TC it has the potential of growing as good as a non TC plant.
You guys are my top two favorite plant RUclipsrs. I feel like the way I think about things is very similar to you. I 100% understood what you were trying to say in your video. Although, I will admit it could be a bit confusing.
The early days of Thai’s everyone was getting a cutting since tissue culture of them hadn’t been done really. So, we’re trying to compare cutting to tissue. And of course, cuttings are basically an established plant whereas tissue is a baby plant (for lack of better wording). And it’s gonna take a few years for the more recent ones to catch up to the ones being sold a few years ago.
I have no skin in the game when it comes to Thai’s. I only have one and it’s a baby and we’re not getting along right now. 😂
I love you and Kaylee Ellen so much 🥰 I've learned so much from both of you
Appreciate this kind of comment very much!
When I saw you pop up on her channel in my watch later I did a double take! Cool to see the interaction.
I just bought a Thaicon and a Deliciosa from a Thailand TC lab (I bought it from a live seller in the lab). Allegedly, it was unrelease tc specimens from 2019 since it doesn't have enough fenestration; specifically holes in the mid ribs. They just kept them in the lab to grow and neglect it since according to them it doesnt fit the standard look of the monstera that time.
I can tell there's a significant difference from that specimens to the monstera in the current market. The leaves looks thicker, rounder and bigger. The leaf and stem ratio is also looks smaller, it looks more compact. The fenestration only on the sides, it doesnt have holes in the mid ribs. They've showed a relatively matured form it really looks different.
I would definitely say that newer batches of monstera now looks different 5 to 6 years ago.
I understand your point. There are many factors that can make a plant grow differently. Not only the fact that it's a cutting or a seedling, but also the lighting, the ambient temperature, the type of soil, the climate, a moss pole, in some cases even the wind. You can't tell that the plant is different, just because their proportions are different.
I really like your personality, thanks for the video!
love your enthusiasm
Thank you I don’t think that I’ve seen the other person’s comment or video. I really really like your videos and that’s what counts for me.
Sorry didn’t think it was a good debunk myself. But… I don’t think I can see a difference personally. I have a tc I got in 2022… so definitely version 2.0… I also have a low variegated I got in 2023, my lower variegated one grows much slower than my original one that is highly variegated. I personally feel it has to do with each person‘s conditions, lighting, humidity, and temperature. I think all of it plays apart into what comes out in this plant… because the one that I got in (2022) is very compact. The lower variegated one I do not have in as bright of light and that’s the one that’s growing slow. It also it not terrible leggy, even though it’s not in the brightest light, but it is not as compact as the one that has the bright light. I know because you don’t have 1.0 that you can’t compare it, but I do agree growing a cutting versus growing a TC also is not the same results but again it’s gonna really have to do with the conditions.
Loved the original video and your channel! I think Kaylee should send you a V 1 cutting and you two can continue the exploration of this topic! It’s interesting as you say.
Hey, I'm all for chasing answers, even if it's something obscure and serves no purpose other than to satisfy your curiosity. Sometimes the truth is hard to find, and if you can have fun chasing it, why not? (assuming you don't put yourself in a tough spot with breaking the bank)
I am interested in seeing definitive conclusions with the Thai Con, and I'm not even a fan of that plant. I don't know if interest would be much less since these plants have become so much more widely available, but I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for further developments!
I agree that tissue cultures, cuttings and seedlings all have different growth characteristics. I don’t think it’s very fair to compare them either. I have several monstera in multiple varieties including Thai Cons, and even my two Thai’s being the same age grew completely differently in the same conditions. I think when a monstera is leggy, it’s almost always because it’s not receiving enough light, especially when it’s overcrowded in a nursery setting by growers. People dramatically overestimate how much light they are giving their plants, even with grow-light and not all grow-lights are created equally either, they are not all full spectrum. I don’t know really if there’s a difference in the newer Thai cons due to a change in mother plant or possibly some kind of mutation due to being tissue cultured for so long, but I think your point stands about the comparison not being applicable between a stem cutting and a freshly deflasked tissue culture. My Thai cons are both exhibiting very compact growth by the way, and they sit in a south facing window in my plant room. Light, I believe, is the most important factor when it comes to compact growth. Now, that’s not to say I don’t believe the people who are losing their tissue cultures to rot, because I do think there is a lot of poor quality Thai Con tissue cultures out there on the market and for whatever reason they really are prone to rot super easily. I haven’t had it happen myself but I believe the folks who do, I’ve seen it all over the internet and a lot of them are rotting right in the tissue culture flask before even being touched.
I agree a ton! eventually I may get some v1s and find a real difference but until someone shows me something I can visually see then im not a big fan of it. Also I think a lot of these new thai cons are rotted as they hit the shelves. Im seeing a lot of pics of very unhealthy plants at these big box stores.
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
What happened to the giant monstara cutting???
They are all growing, I can make an update soon
ohh so it's a mint mid cutting! truly a champ
good stuff, Matt
I got a Thai Con from Thailand in 2017. It was shipped to me in a water bottle and paper envelope. I sold in 2021, because I couldn’t get is to size up and it grew way too slow.
I Love your passionate Energy! ❤😊
Man, you handled this one SO well. I watched the other creator's video and the creator is CLEARLY jealous maxxxx😂😂
Your plants are wonderful and your channel is such a joy. People (I won't name), who willingly spread negativity, their works are a reflection on their own insecurities and lashing out their own misery at other people. I genuinely wish your channel grows huge; and parasites keep away from trying to leach subs from worthy creators like you using such lowly strategies.
Im sure given your up and coming reputation, you could get a V1 cutting with some bartering. I like your channel because it reminds me why i love science. Always ask questions, present hypothesis and explore. Keep doing it man
I love your videos and comparisons.
I learn a lot from you but what is TC?
TC is tissue culture. It's how many houseplants can be mass produced. You clone and copy the plants in a laboratory using specific plant hormones. So if you get thai con node you can cut it up and put it in sterile jars with basically plant food and hormones to make it divide. The plants will be able to to it because there is no fungus or bacteria in the jars to cause issue and its perfectly Humid and nutrients as well. You should youtube plant tissue culture it's really fascinating
Kaylee doesn't show on my feed anymore so this is the first time I'm seeing any of this. But are we really debating over the growth rate of of a thai con? My tc thai is massive in less than a year. They're big box now, they'll grow anywhere.
Well played sir, and enjoy the free publicity🎉😂
I personally enjoyed the passion 😊 well my Thai con is not doing well at the moment. hopefully it will get better soon
I love these friendly rivalries if u wanna call em that…😊❤❤
I'm imagining a skit like those Cut videos where people match things to people. But instead its assigning plants to V1 or V2 🤣
The whole concept of "v1" being better obviously comes from people who paid hundreds to get their thai con. Now that they cost 15$ they feel stupid and has to try and justify why their is actually worth more 😂 It's the same with pink princess
TLDR: Send V1 Thai Const. to Matt ASAP!
As far as I can tell, everyone is sharing their observations from a sincere place. And it seems like the various channels that have covered this topic, are ran by people who make reasonable judgements.
Glad you responded with humility and gratitude. Kaylee does come across defensive sometimes but it makes sense, she’s attacked more aggressively than a dude would be. I’m glad you didn’t go that way.
I was totally expecting the Pretty in Green channel to come up because my impression was your concerns were more focused on his statements.
Anyway… I think when people mention they’re taking a scientific approach it sets people off. Kaylee made good points about sample size and the need for a true side-by-side comparison but whatever. It’s fair but it’s not exactly the point. I think your message would be better received if you leaned more into phrases like you’re taking a deeper dive into a topic than applying a scientific approach. The caveats everyone has to use when they’re talking plants in a way that isn’t 100% academically sound can be annoying, but they can keep people calm in these circumstances 😊
Overall, thank you. You’ve raised topics I found interesting and it led to some interesting insights.
I know a grower who has well over 30 “variants and mutant” Thai cons, there is no 1 Thai con.
I wonder if its who I just bought one from lol. I agree there is no 1 thai con but there is a baseline most should conform to
Thank you for your reply. I couldn’t finish Kaylees video cause I knew was based on “personal” experience and not real proven facts. Half her video and then skipped till the end, and then she proved my point at saying that was based on her experience. I’ve owned multiple TC monsteras, even the “1.0” ones that people refer and let me tell you… there’s not difference at all!
I did the same thing.
Pothos race where??? 😎
On today's episode of Thai Tea... lol but seriously I am ecstatic about getting to watch the response so soon after. But i do think the gripe was unfounded considering what she as an experienced grower explained about it being an observational take as she said in the original and why your video was all over the place trying to debunk something that wasn't called for.. it's all part of the learning process and i appreciate that you both took the time to explain your views and that you've learnt and agreed with her thoughts just like she got to understand what angle you're trying to come from even if it was a misunderstanding about her statements being 'taken as gospel' as she put it.
Somehow I missed the video you’re talking about. I’ll have to go back and try and catch up.
This man loves a good conspiracy theory
I could put Alex Jones to shame
man I did NOT like how clickbaity this title was😅🤣 why you gotta scare me like that!
i just love how traumatized i look in the thumbnail and i always think of the breaking bad scene where jessie yells that phrase
@@TechplantChannel that’s hilarious!!
I commented this on her video and I’ll say it on yours, you two need to have a collab hash this out and move on cuz the back and forth and “she can’t get away with this” click bait isn’t constructive or helpful to the general plant hobbiest who can JUST NOW afford a Thai. At this point thai 1.0 and 2.0 shouldn’t even be a conversation because the pre covid “1.0” isn’t even an accessible option for the majority of your viewers… having a “2.0” myself I spent way too much on before their prices crashed makes me FARRRR MORE interested in how to care for and keep my new Thai alive than dwell on why it’s inferior when the money I spent on it could’ve gone towards something else…
I'm here lol
You both should do a collaboration live and make peace . LoL Its the American revolution all over again.
lmao, the vibe i get from her video makes me think shes not actually mad just kinda having fun with it and a good opportunity to make some content
@@TechplantChannel I've been watching her for years, nope, she is very mad. Just controlling herself not to look bad. I think it's better for everyone involved to drop this subject, I'm sure there are plenty of other creators you could do the friendly banter videos with. But you do you, clearly you are having fun here at least.
Nice video but the title of click bait af. I would have watched it without that title. Love the videos how you aren’t being spiteful or anything tho.
Bwahahahaha badass man 💪👊
I really don't understand what the fuzz is about... neither of you have prove. Measure a leave etc, etc is by no means prove. Don't know why in the plant community this happens all the time or is it all about the "likes"?
I don't know if you have ever been into Jungian personality theory but in the Myers Briggs shorthand you are massive introverted thinking, meaning you have to fiddle with everything to make it make the most sense to you, you want to be challenged and corrected so you can better understand everything. 1/2 the human population is introverted sensing dominant, meaning they draw knowledge from experience. they go with what works for them, and that is good enough for them, but then you come in and need to monkey with everything.
im INTP
@@TechplantChannel well yeah, kind of obvious.
She just didn’t get your point and definitely got hung up on a couple logical fallacies. Wether she just missed the point or refused to see it who knows 🤷♂️ but I can’t wait for you to prove this out in your usual methodical manner 👍❤️
This thumbnail is why the hide video from feed button was created.
lmaooo
These don’t get any views!?
compared to my propagation experiments or plant care guides not really. the one she responded to was like 4k views. I do these videos because I enjoy them but honestly I was hoping she would bring out some v1s and v2s that were in comparable conditions and show the difference.
The cutting you're showing around 4:00 is a different one than the one she's saying is a top cutting, though. So it seems like she may have caught you if you're showing "evidence" that it's a mid cutting, but not showing the same plant?
You would have to tell me what time she's talking about it in her video. I'm not sure. This is the mint mid cut with the best ratio that i showed. But I'm a bit confused now if we are talking about thr same thing since I showed so many plants in the first one
It is the same cutting... He literally shows it at 4:40.
Nice shirt
Nevermind Kaylee, she doesn't even know where the Creme Brulee originated and who named the plant. Such a non sense verdict what the plant industry has a lot to offer. Her older videos such a funny and so embarrassing many variegated plants reverting including the Variegated Chiapense. This is my first time defending a person like you who exert time and effort of scientific explanation beyond any other vlog content. Congratulations!
I think you are inadvertently driving the usage of the term and demand for 1.0 Thai Cons. I don't agree with everything Kaylee Ellen says, but I agree with her on this point that we don't want to do this.
she could send you a cutting or perhaps enough for tissue culture a colab would be nice
Seriously? How old are you two? Provocative clickbait headlines to each other, then a bunch of unscientific bashing and apologies to each other. A new way of respectful backstabbing? I have nothing against dissenting opinions, but I do not like ridicule. "I am the only one who is right" rhetoric leads nowhere.
what? I said her comparison was bad and I still stand by that. Her example was a poor comparison that does not support her words. She had many comments in her video and one of the key take away, I have is my videos can be disorganized and my goal lost. So this entire exchange was absolutely helpful. It has also brought many people into the discussion, Im making some trades/buying some v1s from people. This is an extremely positive experience. There is no backstabbing nor bashing. Im not calling her names or saying bad things about her. Im saying her comparison is bad
@@TechplantChannel that's what I'm talking about. The title could also be read as "shut the f*** up, bi***", if I am exaggerating a little. Then in the video itself, statements about how good it is that she is talking about it, how you partly agree and so on.
This discussion you two are having is a great opportunity for collaboration. You two come together, with your different views, and get to the bottom of this. You will both be winners and, in doing so, you will teach your multitude of subscribers not only the outcome but also the way to get there. We will all learn a lot from this.
@@TechplantChannel that's what I'm talking about. The title could also be read as "shut the f*** up, bi***", if I am exaggerating a little. Then in the video itself, statements about how good it is that she is talking about it, how you partly agree and so on.
This discussion you two are having is a great opportunity for collaboration. You two come together, with your different views, and get to the bottom of this. You will both be winners and, in doing so, you will teach your multitude of subscribers not only the outcome but also the way to get there. We will all learn a lot from this.
@berghauss I feel like your own comment could be applied to you, haha. "headlines", "bashing", "respectful backstabbing", "ridicule". What are you smoking?... because I want some. (that's me ridiculing you) I'll admit the titles are blatantly clickbait. But a lot of what you said is made up gibberish that doesn't apply to the situation. Who is being backstabbed? Where was some trust or loyalty broken? Who is throwing around insults? No one claimed to be the only one that's right. If you actually listened to what each person said, they were focused on different things. They pointed out problems they had with certain things stated by the other while also trying to clarify their own positions.
It's almost like you have some made up reality in your head where no one ever disagrees, and now you are the one that feels betrayed by RUclipsrs that have shattered that fantasy. Otherwise your word choice makes little sense.
You complain about how unscientific the discourse has been, but I'd disagree. What is the point of science? I'd say it's to find an objective understanding of how something works by isolating different variables and understanding how they affect outcomes. The earlier videos may have been a bit sloppy, but the more eyes and criticism the "arguments" receive, the more refined the focus and experiments become. This little back-and-forth may lead to something beneficial to the whole plant community. I'd argue discourse and science go hand-in-hand.
Lol @berghuass read the clickbait title, judged the video by it, then I guess spent the video typing and not listening 🤷
You cannot debunk something that you didn't even have a 1.0 to test against...the photos you used didn't even have a date stamp they could have been from day before you filmed...you debunked nothing
Course you can 😂😂😂
Seriously? 🙄
Because v1 doesn't exist. They're just old, mature plants. And maybe you should pay more for a cutting from an old plant because, as he said, you'll get an awesome plant faster.
The problem is ur video's title,, understand that u want to be catchy, but it's misleading.
Like on this video, ur title is again misleading from the actual content.
yeah I was mirroring her title but kinda trying to be more over the top with the declarative stuff. I agree tho these are click baity as all hell
Everyone has their own options. Just stop!
ok sorry
@@TechplantChannel no don't stop. Keep going. You gotta know how the scientific community is. This is literally just another day. One of my favorite rivalries growing up was between Jack Horner and Bob Baker, two paleontology legends. They bickered often but it was in good fun in the end.
I'm not sure why people get so upset when there's a disagreement. It comes across as narrow-minded. I think people grow the most when their views or ideas are challenged. You can disagree with someone and still be respectful and get along just fine. Once you work out a resolution, each member of the disagreement comes out better for it.
If you dislike it that much, YOU should stop voluntarily subjecting yourself to such a situation.
You don't have to stop, and it Is always interesting how the narrow minded do EXACTLY what they accuse others of doing. "Just stop" is exactly why people aren't successful and don't achieve "beyond" a comfort level. You are so respectful because you love to learn and have the drive to figure things out and how and why they work or don't. Don't let anyone bully you, we have enough of those in this world. And NEVER apologize to a bully. It's great to see you respectfully interact with "fellow" tubers. Keep up the Great work and ENJOY!
Conflict avoidance should stay in your personal life. No need to enforce it on others when progress comes from talking things out.
I used to like your content so much, but this Thai-con drama stuff just shows how you are trying to get more views by hopping from "Pretty in Green" to Kaylee.
You get much more views with this stuff than with your regular videos (You are lying in the video). Sad to see you turn out this way (or showing your true face now)...
Yeah my true face is spending way more money on these videos then they will ever earn. The pretty in green saga was like 300 dollars in the hole.
This series which I'm already 200 in the hole just getting pre 2019 plants and God know how much DNA testing will be and also like 2000 dollars for tissue culture equipment. If I did this for views I would just make top 10 videos or 'I love these plants right now' videos that most plant tubers make.
I make videos that interest me or may be helpful with others. Maybe you are sincere in your comment but it doesn't feel that way given the hundreds of videos I've made that make up the bulk of my channel that have helped millions of people. Also let's not forget the thousands and thousands and thousands of comments I take the time out of my day to answer and help people with questions or the thousands of dms and friendships I've made through Instagram.
These are my true colors and if you fail to see that there is not much I can do.
@@TechplantChannel Alright, I guess I have misunderstood things. Thank you for clarification
no worries and I always appreciate comments like this. Going forward I can try and make it more formal and less "drama" like so it feels much more like a discussion instead of an attack. So I appreciate what you had to say
You should be ashamed of yourself. Unsubscribed.
No you shouldn't. Discussions and healthy competition creates GREAT things! The strong prevail and create greatness for the weak that couldn't take on challenges.
This is not an airport, you don't have to announce your departure. :)))))))
Techzaddy is always right