Captain loses all the instruments after takeoff from JFK. JetBlue Airbus A320 returns back. Real ATC
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
29-DEC-2023. A JetBlue Airways Airbus A320 (A320), registration N527JL, performing flight JBU479 / B6479 from New York John F. Kennedy International Airport, NY (USA) to Montego Bay Sangster International Airport (Jamaica) after departure from Kennedy Airport stopped climb at 9000 feet, declared an emergency and reported loss of all the instrumentation on the captain side. The flight crew decided to hold in the vicinity of the airport. Later the pilots reported their intentions to do an overweight landing and started the approach.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 The airplane climbs out of New York Kennedy Airport after departure. They have a minor problem
02:12 The pilots declare an emergency. Captain loses all the instruments. They request delay vectors
06:27 JetBlue 479 is ready for approach to JFK
07:38 The airplane was transferred to Approach controller
09:28 JetBlue 479 contacts New York Kennedy Tower
09:55 Landing. Communications on the ground
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THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
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HOW I DO VIDEOS:
1) I monitor media, airspace, looking for any non-standard, emergency and interesting situation.
2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.
It seems if you give them fuel in pounds, they want it in hours. If you give it in hours, they want it in pounds. They should give fuel in both sometime so we can hear ATC come back and ask for it in cubic inches.
As far as I understand, the tower needs it in hours so they know how fast the plane has to get onto the ground and the emergency vehicles need it in pounds so they can know how much equipment they need in case of a fire.
Or like the rest of the world....in kilos!
I was going to say the exact same thing. ATC for purposes of how much time you can be up there and if potentially going to be overweight landing. Rescue needs to know in pounds so they know how much fluid they would be dealing with if it spills or there is a fire.
they know to within 2 seconds and 30 feet where every plane will be on it's routing. you think they could have a database with this info
Or Olympic size swimming pools :)
Wow, SOB, fuel, & nature of emergency all exchanged on first try. Very cool.
that used to ask like 3 times. I get the feeling hearing this on RUclips for 4 years has actually helped the ATC improve. top down, of course
He did not give the nature of the emergency on the first call. Controller asked him for it. Timestamp 2:42
Not even then. The pilot confirmed they had 32 pounds of fuel instead of 32 thousand. That's what the tower had to ask the third time near the end
@@bridamy Nope. Pilot said they had 32 thousand pounds of fuel. 32.3 means 32,300. It was said correctly the first time, abbreviated correctly the second time for clarification, and the third time they asked for an updated amount since they had burned off a couple thousand pounds of fuel while preparing to come back in.
Those controllers were fantastic. Quick, clear, calm, etc. Just a great job all around.
Did you expect less?
@@RLTtizMEonly from you
@@dystopian.. Quick, clear, calm, etc. Just a great job all around. You're a peach.
@@RLTtizME ya ya. Back to your video games junior.
Only in our new keyboard warrior world can someone be complimentary/supportive and still have an someone call you out. I agree with you sir. They did great. And for the guy below. If you've listened to some emergency situations, they're not all handled well.
wow that departure controller was very sharp and attentive, job well done!
The extreme competence of New York ATC staff is fucking amazing
sometimes...
I hope not to be misunderstood. Air traffic controllers, all 9100 of them do a great job. They populate 22 Air Route control centers and handle 44,000 flights daily. I am saying this because in all the 8 incidents, where i had emergencies, where some collaboration or special handling was needed, there was no difference between what you are hearing on these videos and the service i was afforded. Sure, there are some days i may question something or may seem impatient, but I appreciate the service provided.
@@doublewhopper67 Tell me you are a white supremacist without telling me you're a white supremacist
So much racist bs on aviation channels.
@@doublewhopper67 because only non-diversity can do things right?
I would actually like to hear the comparison with all the additional communication ATC had to juggle at the same time while keeping such a keen eye on the emergency aircraft. It is amazing how aware this ATC seemed to remain with such busy airspace.
oh, there's loads of that happening, but the team jumps in so the controller in charge of the emergency doesnt have to deal with much else, the team around him takes care of all that. all we need is a pen and paper to keep important info with timestamps on the ready.
The pilot talking to ATC departure declared emergency along with souls on board and fuel in flight time at the same time. A rare event ! I assume it was the captain as he had no instruments to monitor but the 1st officer did so they were organised for the declaration. Smoooooth !
If they lost captains instruments and the transponder this would indicate a possible AC 1 / AC ESS BUS failure so you’d loose a substantial amount of systems
479, I know half the flight deck isn't working, but we'd really like to know the exact flow rate difference between the L main and center aux pumps with the crossfeed valves open and the defuel valves set to ON (in a steep climb, if you don't mind) in liters per minute cubed. We do have a job to do, after all.
I snort laughed reading this😂😂🤦🏽♀️
during this exchange, it would've been great if there were timestamps, because I believe through the voice change, that at 1400hrs local, the ATC shift changes. A very critical time when one controller changes an emergency over to new shift.
this is the 5th jetblue emergency at JFK this week
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Yup
...that made it onto RUclips.
Seriously?
Since when?
Nice to see a very timely emergency declaration :)
don't be silly....you were not in the cockpit.
Rolls eyes. Because declaring at the first second there's an issue does something right? It feels safer.
@@cloudstreets1396OH, so what jet do you fly and for whom?
@@la_old_salt2241 A320/321. ULCC
@@cloudstreets1396 "Loss of CA side displays is not an emergency. Precautionary landing sure but not an emergency" Exactly.
The RUclips channel L.A Flights caught the landing and emergency vehicles during their live stream. The stream is saved on their channel. You can use the local time clock on bottom right corner of their live to scroll to the event time.
Really good the pilot included souls and endurance on the inital mayday call!
This is awesome! I went to JFK this day to plane spot and realized just now that I saw and also got a picture of this plane as it was coming in! Awesome and thank you for sharing.
Thanks for the great work on your timely videos!!
Thanks for watching 👍
Wow, that's what I call an efficient emergency handling. So well done!
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Great content !! Thanks
Thanks 🙂
They were very understandably confused for a short bit at the beginning, but then they turned into of the most professional sounding pilots once they realized what was up
Not confused. Evaluating the situation while talking to ATC.
I'm curious about why an overweight aircraft would switch to a shorter runway for landing, since a longer runway would presumably allow for less-aggressive braking and thus reduce the chance for overheating. I'm sure there was a reason, since the change was at the request of the pilots, but I don't know what it might have been.
My guess would be EMAS is on it.
Additionally to EMAS on 22L, 22R has a displaced threshold, making landing distance (glideslope) less than 100ft longer than 22L.
@@lyaneris @spikedcoffee9195 Thank you. That makes sense
It was not an emergency in the 1st place but they don’t want to spend hours in a hold, so I guess they say emergency so they can do overweight landing
@@user-microburst An overweight landing = twr declares an emergency if the plane doesn't.
Isn't loss of redundancy a typical pan-pan situation? Since the US doesn't differentiate between pan and mayday, it is an emergency
Respect! :)
Well executed. The only issue I have is with that one controller who says "Turn Right Heading" like "Trdng". More than once it sounded like he was saying terrain.
good one.
Feds: Hire more controllers NOW, and pay them more $$.
Same for all airline pilots. These are not buses, they're sophisticated airliners! Great channel!
I wonder when on the plane, at what point do they tell the passengers there is an issue and returning? I would be kinda freaked out going in circles and different directions without any word from the pilots
Once they stop serving snacks and drinks, you know you are in trouble 😂
When the flight path is stabilized, memory items and ecam actions complete, decision making done and cabin crew informed. Then you do a PA to the passengers, it's not a big deal for such problems.
If the Cpt side went out, why did the 1st officer do most of the comms? Was he flying and communicating while the Cpt ran through the emergency procedure and once he was done he took over the comms? ALSO, why did the controller switch on same freq? Did I miss something or did they end up speaking to 2 different departure controllers?
Yes. FO was flying and communicating. CA was in the QRH and coordinating with the FA’s and company time permitting.
I don’t know about the Airbus systems, but for the other company, the Captains screens, etc, are powered from a hot battery bus, so that they’re always available even without left or right main buses being powered. If they’re all off, like in this case, then it’ll likely be that the left VHF, left transponder, left ILS, etc, are all also failed too.
For airbus, when you run the ecam, pf takes the comms. Pm only handles the abnormal action without losing focus basically
that first departure controller was on fire, damn....
...so that explains the FR24 flight path for a JetBlue flight diversion that caught attention on a planespotter RUclips channel I was watching out of JFK a couple of nights ago. Nicely done by both the flight crew and the ATC folks at JFK...
Kudos to the controller! I've flown into the NY airspace many times in my career and with all the 'chaos' I've only experienced polite, funny and extremely professional air traffic controllers! Great job!
Impeccable comms
Hell of a way to get saddle time for co pilot. Nice job men and woman.
They both fly and switch pilot flying every flight. The “copilot” or first officer flies just as the captain does
If anyone is interested in watching the plane land the L.A Flights YT channel captured it live on stream.
You can use the mag compass as a turn and bank indicator if you head south. (n hemisphere)
Nope nope no.
Try it and see. Either a bank or a turn moves the compass in the correct direction. Going north it doesn't work, the bank opposes the turn. All owing to a strong vertical component of the mag field.
This is airline operations and there is no procedure NOR will it ever be required to use the sby compass for attitude control@@yclept9
@@yclept9you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. The magnetic compass certainly works when you’re going north the errors are just different compared to the south when it comes to rolling out of the turn
@@jakeoesterreich8037 The bank operates in reverse from the turn when you're going north. Going south, they operate together, so the compass gives you an instantaneous indication of your turn. Old trick since at least the 1950s. Needs still air though.
Question: do the checklists have an estimated time to complete? I just hear pilots sometimes say “I need two minutes” or five or seven, super specific.
No. The pilots are just guessing based on their experience.
Yes...based on "aviate, navigate, communicate."
I fly a 767; We have instrument switching, so that one box can provide screens to both sides. If this happened to me, I'd follow the QRH and do what it told, but I am pretty sure that I would return to my takeoff point. Now, ATC need to know the fuel: Is it in pounds or hours? I've always told them hours [I flew for Atlantic Coast Airlines, which no longer exists, and I declared an emergency MONTHLY when I worked there in 1993 and '94.] when I have called them for this information. ATC needs to know how long you can fly.
ATC wants it in hours to know how long you can fly, ARFF wants it in pounds or kilograms to determine how big any potential fire/hazmat situation might be.
The A320 has instrument switching too….but it doesn’t help if you have an actual electric failure if the displays or its associated AC BUS
whoa
why is the copilot flying also doing the comms?
Are there no standard holding patterns over NY, to reduce radio traffic?
you think that would be a thing at every airport, like "We are going into The Emergency Hold at 5000 ft." Lots seem to use 5000. make that's a coincidence?
So they're switching from "we are declaring an emergency at this time" to "we are gonna be an emergency aircraft".
Both of which are wrong.
US pilots Dodging "mayday" like neo dodges bullets
FO - "I am the captain now."
why would they want the shorter runway 22L instead of 22R for an overweight landing??
easyjet 6074 springs to mind immediately
Nice job for everyone, except whoever kept stepping on transmissions on Approach.
That’s why there are two independent computers!
Is that Kennedy Steve @9:37 ?
Hey can you lookup flight 113 ANA it returned to Houston yesterday and I wanna hear why
I know it was a mechanical failure, it was yesterday or the day before can’t remember
Hey, thank you for the information. I'll try. But they were too far from Houston so I'm not sure if it will be possible to get the audio.
@@YouCanSeeATC an acquaintance was on the flight and they were not told anything, except they heard it was a mechanical failure
Why arent they landing on 22R, when they are heavy? It is a longer runway?
22R is actually shorter than 22L when it comes to available landing distance due to its displaced threshold.
There needs to be a directive to airmen telling them to use MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY..not this “we are an emergency aircraft”…
Thanks a lot! Do you mind if I share all your works to the other media platform？
Declaring an emergency straight away? Hot damn
SOP.
@@alan_davis SLOP
I just don't understand why everyone gets their panties in a bunch about this? Declaring right away does nothing for you, can actually work against you in this situation. For example, the instrumentation goes out. You declare (there's no undeclaring). Then you get the QRH out and it tells you to switch to the backup, your instruments are back, continue flight. But you can't. You just declared an emergency for a situation that's not an emergency.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or I think nobody cares John Smith if that's your real name. What damn difference does it make. You must be a nervous wreck.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or The emergency was declared several minutes after everyone became aware of the initial problem. Clearly, they were working through the checklists, which didn't fix it. That seems to be when they declared.
6:03 ok, i know that english is not my forte, but his "turn right heading..." was especially hard to understand
I wonder if they could've reset the instrument circuit breaker, at least where it might remain untripped long enough to have instruments on both sides while they return to get that checked out?
Is there only 1 CB for all instruments?
More than likely more than a circuit breaker. Circuit breakers are not reset in flight unless called for by a checklist
What could have been the rationale for choosing 22L instead of 22R for landing?
22L has EMAS on it
Why do they keep placing emergency declared aircraft over long island?
Because JFK is on Long Island?
Just in case the 3 major airports isn’t feasible, Republic and Islip airports are near by as well
"One-Two-Twelve Thousand" - is this the normal protocol for twelve thousand?
When IFR turns into VFR.
Who else watched this live on LA Flights?
I'm a novice voice recognizer, but was Tower our beloved Kennedy Steve?
I thought he retired a while ago?
He did.@@mykalimba
Fortunate to have thrust reversers spare the brakes!
All those poor planes gettin worked over the holidays...should give em a maintenance break, and the crews some paid time off! ATC also.
This is not the first time i am hearing this, any not really blaming anyone, but why do controllers and pilots sometimes say stuff like "one-two-twelve-thousand", you'd think it'd be one-two thousand or twelve thousand.
Emphasis for clarity.
it's not icao phraseology, is it? @@JoshuaBrundrett
say the same thing twice but worded differently. Makes it easier for the human brain to be sure what was said.
luckily only captain side… so the copilot can still fly the plane
I don't understand why there isn't a standard for giving fuel remaining. I can see why both are important so why don't the pilots just do that automaticly? Or the controles just ask for both?
Lost instruments..what is the band gonna do 😂
How come "Thirty Two Decimal Three in pounds" when it should either be a comma, or in KILOpounds?
If only his side has instrumentation, why is he on comms instead of the captain?
They switched seats. Duh.
Fucking boss of a pilot
How many emergency’s this month? Flew from Cartagena to JFK JetBlue 1532 December 10, 2023 plane took off and after 30 minutes returned to Cartagena for air conditioner problem and they send a replacement plane the next day why wasn’t this emergency reported in the media this flight data is out there
Emergencies aren’t always reported to the media. They don’t need to be.
Maybe a failure on DMC1 system.
Why declare emergency and not use standard radio calls which everyone understands PAN-PAN or MAYDAY? Should you assume the handler will intuit just how emergency you think you are, instead of allowing for ambiguity?
Because 'Merica
Because declaring an emergency is standard phraseology in the US.
Because it’s literally the same thing. If you can’t understand what emergency means you shouldn’t be anywhere near an airport
They would have been half way to Jamaica mon by the time they landed.
Doesn't captain have instrument source switching and a QRH?
Instrument source switching is available but when that mode is used, and a instrument approach is needed, the decision heights and minimum decent altitude is higher off the ground, most captains will not want to do an international flight in with these restrictions.
He could have regained his panels with source switching and kept on trucking to his destination. Unless he has a lost bus which is a different situation but I didn't here that.@@RUclips.TOM.A
@@michaelallen1396well they momentarily lost the Mode C transponder….so is is possibly an electrical failure
@@michaelallen1396 I don't know that they would have announced their options over the airways, however i have had a situation where instrument source switching did not work. Some carrier's have equipment requirement for overwater flights that may not allow continuing the flight to a foreign destination if it happened on departure.
Yep. You can't enter WATRS airspace on instrument reversion. But ultimately it was a bus failure.@@RUclips.TOM.A
Why are the fuel numbers so critical they know it's probably gonna be an over weight landing and they know there's enough for the thing to go up in a ball of flame.
I’ve got a question. Why is the FO on the radio if he is the only one with instruments?
Procedural. captain is the "director" and manages the emergency: runs checklists, communicates with company and passengers. F/O communicates and flys while the other tasks are sorted out by the captain.
@@airbaker2 that’s my point. The FO was PM for quite a while. Finally the Captain made the FO PF and the captain became PM.
FO was both PF and talking to ATC. This is normal in a situation like this.
How would the captain communicate about altitudes, speeds, headings if he doesn’t have instruments?
ATC should stop giving emergency aircrafts speed restrictions, no matter what emergency it is.
The PIC can always say "unable" if it is a problem. Sequencing in congested airspace is challenging.
And your authority to make such a recommendation? Are you Mayor Pete's flight steward?
Refreshing to hear an air traffic controller actually listening.
Wondering why they didn’t give them a hold over a gps waypoint and instead give them vectors. I fly in europe so please enlighten me.
Traffic. It's that simple. Lots of airports in that area.
you would think they would have a standard pattern for that. lots of airports seem to like 5000 ft
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Way way way too much time in the air . When you look at the QRH there is only 6 items for this emergency . So what is a possible reason why they are up so long well I’ll tell you . They called company and maybe was told such you have instruments on co pilot side have him fly using his side instead of canceling the flight we’re talking big money here to abort the flight . But someone from company finally said no go back to jfk we’re not taking the risk . To me that’s the real story here .
If one side went out could the other one too?
That's a rich and creamy explanation to an inflight problem, Fact is once the crew decides who flies and who gets out the irregular operations manual, all the initial corrective action comes from that procedure, and completing the checklist. After completing the checklist, you can call the company. You see now you have something to report to the company. The decision on who flies and if it's possible to do the flight comes mainly from the crew. International flights are more restrictive on what has to be operational to take an aircraft overwater. The copilot's display can be displayed on the captain's screens but as in a case I was involved in, if you have a lack of cooling to the captain's instruments you will never be able to get them to display images or information much as when you leave your i phone out in the sun.
None of that is true. Pilots get to decide if they want to return. Dispatch/maintenance on the ground want to land safely too. They don’t care about the money either. That said, there’s no hurry to land.
@@RUclips.TOM.A I wasn’t replying to you…
@@saxmanb777 that is true I would say most of the time . But reality pilots are not the PIC when you call company for support only then if ur don’t care about being written up u overrode or have someone else from company say no return . I’m sorry you’re wrong yes it hard to think this happens but it does .
these are ALL HEROES!!!!!!!!!!!
Every problem happens in NY
Airline pilots need to get out and fly gliders and cubs once in a while … something that has minimal instruments or no engine .
Do you have any time in an A320?
@@rjth796 Clearly, he doesn't.
Nah, we’re not going to be flying an airliner across the ocean on one source. That’s a diversion for this airline pilot.
32 pounds of fuel....impressive
Makes me think the entire fleet of all carriers are simply a flying junkyard.
ATC performance far superior to those flying the actual aircraft that's for sure. Even in IFR conditions, P1 instrument loss should not have been a major problem. Why such a drama?
It's the pilot's call. If they don't feel comfortable, then they don't continue.
Two questions: 1. Do you think it's important to have redundancy? 2. Do you understand that after P1 instrument loss you no longer have redundancy?
you are aware of EasyJet 6074 ?
It could be company policy. It could be something in the checklists. Or it could have been something more serious than just the instruments... They took several minutes f troubleshooting before they declared, so likely one of the above.
Loss of half the instruments is 100% a diversion in my book. Easy decision.
I can never understand why they don’t have an area near New York that any aircraft in an emergency if able takes up a holding pattern. That way as a pilot once in the hold that is the aviate and navigation bits taken care of. That leaves the communicate, when you have carried out the procedures to sort out your problem without having to keep stopping the check list to speak to ATC. When I have had problems that is what I have done, it makes it a whole lot easier. I also always had a note of souls on board and the dangerous goods docket was kept with the check list on top of the coaming. It also makes things easier for ATC as they know exactly where you are and can keep others out of your way. Thanks for the videos great work and factual, from a retired but still very interested ex airline captain 👨✈️👍🏼🫡
Footage on la.flights
Why not asking fuel in liters & IAS in miles?
you're mixing and matching measurements that we use here in the united states...