Game of Thrones HATERS/LOVERS Watches House of The Dragon 1x6 | Reaction/Review
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2024
- A huge timeskip shows what has happened to the Targaryen House with Rhaenyra and Alicent at the forefront #react #gameofthrones
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Aliecent demanding to see the baby two seconds after being born literally pissed me off soooooo bad!
To be fair she did it to check if it's another bastard, that's it. She actually wasn't ironic when she said Rhaenyra should've rested, she was not called for.
that's her duty as a queen and stepmother, and that child is her granchild so she has all right to see him and check if he's legitimate or not.
@@jamien368 that's not her duty, what on earth are you talking about 😭 she's not even the grandmother, and even then, that's not a grandmother's duty
@@TabooTalz WTF? YES thats' her duty, did you even read the books or watched GOT?
the queen duty is to ensure the ligetamacy of the bloodline and the to protect the decency of the princess whom it's her stepdaughter, rhaenyra is a stepdaughter to alicent wether you like it or not, rhaenyra is just angry that alicent has outranked her in power, she 's insecure, alicent didn't ask her to walk but she asked for the child ONLY, it's not like she's gonna kill the baby or take it forever.
@@CatTully hate? where's the hate when she offered her a couching to set on to rest? rhaenyra walked herself by her own choice and her own feet, alicent only asked for the child AS SHE SHOULD, when viserys forced the lords to bow to rhaenyra then they did because it's the king, then why rhaenyra cry now when alicent uses her power AS A QUEEN by law to ask for the kid?
Viserys definitely knows the children are bastards, but he doesn’t care about that. He told Rhyaenra that the truth doesn’t matter, what matters is perception, how people see that truth, and by vehemently denying those accusations, he makes it so that no one dares to speak them out loud or they would be going against the king and get punished for treason. He’s protecting Rhaenyra
@maxxoprime9433because theyre still Targaryen regardless of them being bastards lol, their claim comes through their mother, a Targaryen. His dynasty would be preserved.
@maxxoprime9433 they are still targaryens as rhaenyras children
@maxxoprime9433 the point was to never acknowledge their true parentage, therefore always keeping them legitimate. Laenor claims them as his children, therefore they are legally legitimate, and not a threat to the Targaryen dynasty.
@maxxoprime9433 liking your own comments doesn't make your more right btw 😭 also some of the people on the channel haven't watched GOT and your comment has spoilers so maybe edit that but anyway, that character's parentage was NOT why viewers hated him lmao
@maxxoprime9433 but otherwise, while I don't think Viserys was the worst king, I agree that he made god awful decisions. If he truly wanted to keep Rhaenyra, a woman, as his heir knowing that it was an unorthodox decision, he should have never remarried and had more kids. He should have pushed Rhaenyra to have children asap to have more heirs in his line.
Laenor and Rhaenyra did force themselves to sleep together multiple times but he was unable to get her pregnant. Obviously Harwin is more fertile than Laenor. I don’t blame Rhaenyra for choosing to use her position to experience a little happiness instead of being miserable for 10 years straight. Alicent chose to be miserable and made her children grow up miserable too.
Hopefully they see that. That’s in the next episode
He isn't more fertile, Laenor is gay, didn't u watched the show?
Yeah, forget that. Rhaenrya was a COMPLETE IDIOT for getting pregnant for the same guy three times in a row. That's dumb, ESPECIALLY IN THE SITUATION SHE WAS IN
No, Laenor isn't unable to get her pregnant, he's just gay
“The few times we lay together” that’s not enough when you consider what’s at stake. They’re both just used to getting their way because theyre nobility and so they gave it a half ass effort. The show has clearly made an effort to display that Rhaenyra is spoiled because she’s the only one of her parents children that lived and she’s a dragon rider so that gives her a lot of advantages. Alicent did not choose to be miserable. She literally has no choice. She marries who her father tells her to marry and she does what her husband tells her to do because she is dependent on both of them for economic and physical survival. She does not have the ability to just go and have an affair or have someone else father her children based on convenience and happiness
Nah they were just lazy and didn't want to try.
Viserys doesn’t care that the kids are bastards. Their claim comes from Rhaenyra and they’re his first wife’s grandchildren. That’s what really matters to him. Also did we forget that Daemon murdered his first wife.
Also Laenor is totally fine with the children not being biologically his, he acknowledged them as Velaryons. Even Corlis was aware that Lucerys is not his blood and proclaimed him as an heir to High Tide.
@@rgarcia1133 Corlys, Laenor and Viserys were all up to accept the children as legitimate and gatekeep all Westeros if needed to.
Why Viserys won't acknowledge Rhaenyra having bastards is because it'd result in them being killed, and possibly even her as well. No parent would want to see their children killed, especially because of their mistakes
It probably wouldn’t get them killed, they’re still children of a princess, but it would rob them of everything they have. They would not be able to inherit anything. Rharnyra’s heir would be her brother Aegon, and if she doesn’t accept that then yes, her sons might be killed.
Bruh, and also Laenor consider them his so in the name of the law noone can do anything anyway. The discourse ends here. 😪
But the literal fact is that wouldn't have mattered cause Viserys being king would literally give him the ability to legitimize them, he was just that frickin incompetent that he wouldn't do so.
@@BelovedAlicent It most likely would, we hear Lyonel say it to Harwin when they were arguing
@@rhuskymikhaelorcullo5832 I think it’s because just admitting it, even with Viserys willing to legitimatize them, it’s embarrassing
3:49 McKay's face after heard Joffrey name🤣
Every time he looks directly into the camera it just cracks me up for some reason, he's so randomly intense out of nowhere
He's always like: 👁️👄👁️
It's like ptsd
what a pretty name 😅
I know 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Suicide by dragon is metal. She did say she wanted to die a dragon rider’s death.
that's no dragon rider's death, dragon rider's death is to die in battle on dragon back.
laena was just trying to die on her own terms.
Sure, it's metal, but I don't get why she would kill herself AND her child, the child didn't need to die? Very weird and selfish but eh. I get that being cut open would hurt like a bitch, but there should be ways to mitigate that somewhat.
@@ninadavidovic9644 yeah she literally barbecued her child alive 😅
@@jamien368that is a dragon rider death in battle vs other dragons obviously
@@ninadavidovic9644there's no guarantee that the child would live if they cut it out. We saw what happened with Aemma the child had been in there so long it was probably suffocating.
“When Did This Guy Come Into The Mix?” 😂
Now Go Back And Watch The First Few Episodes And Notice He’s Been There Since The Beginning
Everyone is terrible in this show. I kinda love it. I only hate 1 character, Sir Criston Cole the medieval incel.
imo, I feel bad for Criston, I consider what had happened to him in episode 5 řape, though many would disagree, as it is in my opinion that with such an uneven power dynamic, it would be impossible to consent true and proper considering the context.
😂😂😂
@@ariiadnitait depends on a person's philosophy to be honest; the root of the divergence is: since Rhaenyra has absolute power over what happens to Criston as his sworn protector, (a role, by the way, that requires her to give a vow to Criston that says "you will NOT receive any orders from me that will dishonor you" a vow Catelyn swore Brienne in the original show), is he even capable of giving consent? this is also up for debate, because the definition of consent in a society can change over time.
@@ariiadnita not really true. According to the book, during the tournament Criston was 22 year old and Rhaenyra was 17. Criston was made to be her knight a year later when he was 23 and she was 18. Daemon was told to leave Kingslanding 6 months after this so that would make them still 18 and 22. So, the difference between them is 4 years...I think it does make a difference rather than 30 and 17.
@@rhuskymikhaelorcullo5832 I'd say it can be pretty murky but you can't really call that rape. It's more like an HR issue than assault. Yes she's a princess and her father is his employer, but he's also a grown man who's more than capable of physically resisting a teenage girl. And before people start talking about how Rhaenyra can threaten to put all the blame on him if he says no, doing that would also implicate her. And what reason would Criston have in that moment to assume she'd do that, when he's been her protector and confidant for three years?
Alicent: in the end I have to believe honor and decency will prevail.
Meanwhile her eldest son Aegon.... yeah ok Alicent..
If she spent more time raising her kids and less time obsessing about Rhaenyra's, they might have grown up to be at least semi-decent people.
@@ms_scribbles Rhaenyra's such a useful scapegoat for Alicent, don't need to fight patriarchy when you can internalize it.
@@Eniril1 it's not that black and white
@@IvanHavid nothing ever is but in between the grey nuances tendencies do stand out
@@ms_scribblesor maybe if viserys also did his duty as father and helped raise their sons they would have grown up decent. But sure, blame alicent only
Harwin was my favorite character 😢 from the moment he smiled at her in episode 3 when she was all bloody and messy, while everyone scowled at her.. i knew he liked her then 💔 and he was so gentle with his boys unlike allicent and cole
viserys: will this child survive?
daemon: will she survive?
Idk, I feel bad for Rhaenyra. What is she supposed to do when her husband can't get her pregnant but she is expected to have her own heirs? If she wouldn't give birth to any heir at all, that would be one more reason for the people around her to question her as Viserys' heir too. It's like she can't really win in this no matter what she does. Her solution wasn't even that bad. It would've worked if it wasn't for her children's dark hair
well....there are two options and neither one of them is pleasant. The first option is to only worry about yourself, tell the king the truth about her husband's nature, it would humiliate him in the entire kingdom, call of the marriage and look for a new husband to be. I'm sure the king would let Rhaenyra have a say in choosing a new husband. I'm not saying this is the perfect option but one of the few. The second option is that Rhaenyra and Laenor might have children together but I don't really like to imagine the involvement of third person and there is also a possibility of rumors spreading because of the third person being involved.
@@Aleex111 you know the outcome of that would only come off as an insult to house velaryon and thus most likely losing their support for the crown, another thing is that it will most likely tarnish rhaenyra’s reputation because we all know in a world like that everyone will most likely blame rhaenyra for bein “barren” and then it will come to question on whether she’s still fit to be heir if she cannot produce any heirs so she was in a bad place and she was being pressed from all sides i can’t blame her for doing what she did
@@ZahraHardian yeah, those are valid reasons. I am still confused as why Laenor in some scenes refers to Rhaenyra 'those are also my children' cause at first I took that as that he agreed to this crazy plan so he has the whole right to call them his children and have a say. But then he seems to be in some way almost asking Rhaenyra 'cause they are, right?' and she gives him this pitiful look and then I am confused...Cause he knows they aren't right? So whats this suspense in the air? It almost seems like they somehow tried to have children and Laenor was led to believe they DID succeed so I was confused by the whole conversation
@@Aleex111 i do believe that laenor knows that they’re not his, but he doesn’t care he claims and loves them either way and so therefore they’re HIS children just because they don’t share blood doesn’t make him any less of their father
@@ZahraHardian thats what I also thought but then I was slightly confused by the interaction that it made me second guess 😅
Have you not heard them say, multiple times, that if the kids are not legitimate, the situation becomes very dangereous for the Targaryens? Like, deadly dangereous. The king is not deluded he just wants to keep his family alive. As for Rhaenyra… she doesn’t have many options, as is true for most of the women in this show. Even the girl you liked admited she was miserable to Daemon but that she found her peace. Not everything is black and white obvious, read between the lines.
no because they just talk over everything and then act confused when something so simple was just explained
Do you mind explaining why it’s still dangerous even if she had legitimate children with Damon? I have always wondered this
If she had legitimate children with Daemon, provided they're married, it poses no danger. They would be legitimate Targaryen. I don't get your question. @@cynwashere
The same bullshit in most reactors.
@@surrealfantasy1554
When there are a lot of people reacting in a video you are gonna miss things. People talk
There is something the show failed to deliver to its audience. Rhaenyra as the princess of Dragonstone and heir to the Iron Throne is expected to live and rule in Dragonstone until the king died.
And as the future Queen, she needs heirs to strength her claim. But her father made her married to a gay man. What could she do under this circumstance? I hope you don't come to conclusion so quickly for every characters, and the next few episodes will explain a lot of things.
True but Rhaenyra was not only motivated to produce heirs, but also because she liked Harwin. Its a mixture of both which is totally understandable. I also dont think that she is expected to live and rule in Dragonstone. She has a position in the small council just like Daemon did who also was ruler of Dragonstone and lived in Kings Landing.
U do know that gay men can produce children right???
How is being gay a problem in impregnating a woman? It's not.
She doesn't have heirs with him, because she likes Harwin. And bastards are not a better way to strenghten your throne claim than legitimate children with Laenor would be.
there were many ways to have laenor kids, rhaenyra was just in love with ser harwin, it's really bad to have those kids as bastards in such world where they'll be hated and seen as lower just so she could have an heir.
@@jamien368that’s not even true, they explicitly said they tried to have kids together,it didn’t take, and that points more likely towards infertility on Laenor’s part that just Laenor’s struggles to perform which also don’t help at all, they tried, it wasn’t possible for them
Harwin: "I will be a stranger when next we meet." The Stranger is the aspect of the Seven that represents death.
Eeeeeew, I love it 😂
I thought they handled the time jump extremely well. I just wish we had more time with Milly Alcock and Emily Carey.
well considering they were originally only gonna be in the show for 1ep before the time jump you did
True, season 1 was rushed a little bit. I think one or two more episodes with the actors would have been awesome!
The time jumps are super innovative the way they did it. You really get a sense of childhood and generational trauma that would otherwise be almost impossible to convey. I watched it as it aired. We had to wait a week in between episodes and it acted as a buffer. It made the time jumps feel more authentic. I can definitely see it being jarring for people who watched episode 5 and 6 back to back. I liked how our brains had to fill in the gaps in the time jumps. The way it all was handled was really cool. In regards to being rushed, maybe. But it was so good that it was going to feel rushed regardless. It was enough material to make 20 episodes, it probably still would of felt rushed because its excellent and we all want MORE.
@@flamefusion8963 GOT seasons 5 and onward had the same issue. they don't realize that GRRM's pacing is slow to start with for a reason! his style is like building up a line of dominoes before setting it off. the payoff is worth it
Not only has Criston followed the Annalise Keating course for how to get away with murder the man also got a promotion.
Viserys ignores that Rhaenera’s sons aren’t her husband’s because he’s sticking to his assertion that she be his heir; due to guilt of what he did to his own wife in episode 1. If Rhaenera can be discredited from the throne due to having no legitimate heirs, then that must be kept secret.
Alicent was always a pawn for her father and told how to act as a lady with no real choice in her fate. After seeing Rhaenera get everything she wanted, and not suffer consequences when she messed up, she became resentful and decided to take back her power through her own kids. Cristin and Alicent both hate Rhaenera due to her getting off scott free from her dalliances (and because she rejected Cole’s proposal).
Laenor and Rhaenera probably tried many times to conceive but he just couldn’t “get it up” well enough to finish the job. I think Laenor cares for the boys, but most of this is all for appearances and keeping on top of the rumors. Remember, they didn’t marry for love; they were betrothed by their parents and did the best they could under the circumstances.
Rhaenera does get a lot of passes for her unscrupulous behavior behind closed doors, but as the first woman heir in a patriarchal system, all eyes are watching her and waiting for any mistake she might make. To stay safe and gain the throne, she has to keep herself in good graces and feed an image to the realm of a competent and loving wife and mother (which she really is to her kids). She sees her marriage to Laenor as a contract to keep them both safe and in power and just doesn’t want that to be jeopardized.
It’s really interesting to watch the dynamics with the next generation of Targaryens too. Rhaenera’s kids having to wade thru the stigma of their mom and rumors of being bastards, as well as the weight of the throne in their line. Alicent’s kids with the knowledge that they won’t inherit their father’s throne and not being preferred by their father because of a promise he made before they were even born.
Yes, this is a great first season. ⚔️🐉⚫️🟢
I think he just has a favorite child. Youre right in that whenever he looks at her, he sees his late wife. He loves his daughter more than anything and will ignore her flaws. But if we're being honest, he does a really good job ignoring the hightowers and their flaws. His sons are pure ev1l and he ignores that too. He's a weak king who just wants everyone to hold hands and sing chants together. He's like an old Portuguese or Italian grandma who thinks the family getting along is of the most importance. Maybe he's right, but he's not willing to enforce it.
I still dont know how anyone can be against Nyra
Im not for any of the characters. They all suck pretty much.
because they read the book before watching the show, they really victimised rhaenyra in the show and took so many of her bad qualities because the writers are WOKE
@@jamien368stop capping the greens are still the obvious villains in the book that nobody likes lol even George himself said Alicent is unlikable to the actor face
Y’all are way too hard on Rhanerya. Her and her husband went into an agreement that they can live their lives as such. She even allowed him to carry his boyfriend with them to Dragonstone. She tried to make amends with Alicent (who in my opinion is too concerned with who rhanerya is sleeping with)by marrying their kids together so they can gain nobility and be in line for being king/queen when she ascends the throne which was a more than generous offer. She’s a good mother to her kids. Alicent is just spitting venom to her kids mad that her son doesn’t want the throne but pushing him to want it. Which is power hungry and revengeful of her. Her and Ser Criston literally bonds over not liking Rhanerya. Viserys is a good father. He obviously knows they are bastard sons but he doesn’t want his daughter to be killed or his grand kids which is honorable. He’s already lost a bunch of kids due to miscarriages and still Borns and he lost his wife in the process. His brother isn’t around anymore. He’s protecting the only thing he has closest to him left 🤷🏽♀️ he has other kids but Rhanerya is the product of the woman he truly loved so it’s different.
I think y’all are forgetting the crucial point of Rhyaenras husband being gay lmao I’m sure they attempted to have sons but he clearly couldn’t preform-thus ser hunky Harwin stepped in.
I’d also like to remind you that not only did that guy kill his brother, but his dad as well. The kings hand was his papi
I think Viserys still alive because of the new Grand Maester. He actually brewed medicine couple episodes back. Viserys wound went from a cut to a gangrenous arm under the careful watch of the last Grand Maester, so a little changing of the treatment is guaranteed to do some good.
100% the original Maester is a quack. (He’s also the one who said there was no other way but to cut Aemma open in episode 1)
@@evinoge5834 I think it was intended nd everythin was a plot by Otto, After all the grand maesters house in on the hightower lands.
That’s straight from the book; yes, officially his health improved when he got a better doctor ( the fainting spells stopped, he has more energy, and he’s lived another full decade in a functional state) - had to amputate his left forearm but it was more rot than flesh and the sepsis was killing him)
@@9709Nick No I don't think it was Otto. We have a scene where the younger maester proposes a different approach to healing Viserys and ge fet shut down by the old maester that the leechings always helped in the past. It was a nice way of showing how old methods don't always work and being closed minded can be bad.
We have that in real life as well, the attitude of "It was always done this way." And how that can clash with the younger generation.
Orwyle ( I think that's the younger maesters name ) proposed herbal treatment. Viserys has a Westerosi form of leprosy in the show. It's a slow growing bacteria and you need antibiotics to treat it. There are some herbs with some antibiotic qualities. So it makes complete sense why Orwyles treatment was better, but not strong enough in the end.
Leechings were used often in medieval medicine.
Fun fact: The "witches" that were burned by the church were mostly local herbal women and healers.
Sorry for nerding out. I was just happy that in the series the treatment made "sense". I honestly don't think it was Otto plotting.
Everyone always blames Rhaenyra but not Laenor. It’s his fault he didn’t get her pregnant. She had to have heirs…
"It's his fault." Seriously? Do you know anything about accountability? Or biology, for that matter? I'm guessing no in both cases.
@@Marcus_1001Rhaenyra isn’t the one with fertility issues because she had Harwin and Daemons babies. Laenor was the only one unable to do it even though they tried. It’s probably because he was too busy getting drunk and being depressed about his dead lover to do it more often in their younger years.
It’s kinda both their faults.
rhaenyra agreed to marry him after being spoiled brat and rejecting many proposals and she could've easily gave up her claim to the throne is she cannot have kids, nah she's selfidh and hypocrite
@@jamien368 they both agreed to do their duties and see other people once it’s done. Laenor didn’t do his part.
in the original GOT theres literally bastards everywhere and no ones blinks an eye. I think the whole plot point is to show rhaenyra being thrust into a man's world and being the first female heir and having to be so much more careful because she's a woman (for example robert baratheon had heaps of bastards and no one even cared) . Alicent is the opposite. She was forced to play the woman's role and she'd been brainwashed by otto that her virtue and dignity is all she has. she feels anger and jealousy towards rhaenyra for being basically careless when it comes to her virtue and maidenhood yet still having all the opportunities a man would. alicent threw away her childhood to obtain the highest position you can possibly be as a woman, yet rheanyra's position is higher while not even trying.
Because Robert's bastards were not going to inherit anything. Rhaenyra's would get the throne; while also commiting line theft and stealing the Velaryon inheritence. This is why adultery was considered a crime for women and not for men. DNA tests obviously weren't a thing back then. Rhaenyra's carelessness resulted in her ruined reputation and Viserys forcing her to marry Laenor. Resulting in her spawning a brood of bastards and an inevitable war. Rhaenyra is the architect of her own downfall.
i agree. i don't think she's innocent, just as i don't think the other kings who fathered bastards are innocent. but all of the false inheritance and deceit is something she needed to do because she is a woman. men who father bastards can just leave them with their mothers. She doesn't get that opportunity. so essentially her actions themselves are common, but her position as a woman has forced her to lie and forge her bloodline @@SimplymeSVEN18
@@SimplymeSVEN18 Robert's bastards still met their end because of their potential claim, the point angelinaprunster was making regards the parents : Robert's (or any man's) reputation did not suffer from having bastards. HOTD itself spends multiple scenes stating as explicitly as possible how both Rhaenyra and Alicent are two sides/victims of the misogyny coin, Rheanyra working her happiness around it and Alicent internalizing it.
@@Eniril1 They died because Robert had no legitimate offspring and his bastards could be used as proof that Cersei's children were not his. There were also no legitimate Baratheons left. Stannis would either die in combat or be executed for "treason" and Renly was already dead. And Shireen was the greyscale afflicted child of a herratic, so nobody would entertain that thought. Robert's bastards had more right to the throne than say Joffrey who had no relation to Robert whatsoever. I never said her point about the unfairness regarding having bastards depending on sex wasn't incorrect. I simply provided an explanation as to why this distinction between men and women was a thing.
@@SimplymeSVEN18 Yes, their existence proving that Joff's not a baratheon makes their potential claim a credible threat resulting in their deaths, which is what i stated...
Edric Storm survives the culling in the books though and is far more well known by noblemen as the King's bastard than Gendry ever was.
Anyway the explanation you provided is contradictory in the case of Robert's bastards since as we agreed they died for the risk their birthright posed.
The distinction between genders based on the risk the offspring poses doesn't hold in general. It's more customs than logic and ultimately circumstancial. The Blackfyres are proof of it.
The Older Rhaenyra and Alicent you met this episode are the MAIN CAST and younger cast served their purpose. You’ll meet older final cast in episode 8 (all the children grown) some cool characters, you’ll definitely love them. Don’t worry you’ll get used to them before you know it ✌🏿
Why are you telling them?
@@Jimmyconway77 Because the 2nd guy from left hand side was clearly disappointed and seemed to have been attached to younger Rhaenyra. Which is okay but I thought it’s only fair to tell them that they were only here to cover for the MAIN CAST.
@@rudzanimunyai2090 this is a reaction channel people want to see their initial reaction uncompromised
Her husband is gay and she needs heirs to strengthen her claim as Viserys stated - what could she do besides Ser Hardin is awesome RIP
RIP Harwin. Hot in life and even hotter in death
She could have got someone with even the slightest resemblance, instead of her husbands exact opposite in features. Make it somewhat easier on those who have to look the other way to do so lol
and i heard he was infertel
@@jonathanfulton4243 Slightest resemblance would be someone with dark skin and white hair. With your logic, she needed a velaryon or a targaryen which is impossible. It was also really unlucky that her children were all dark haired.
@@jonathanfulton4243but the problem is she also needed someone she could trust would never betray her and reveal they're bastards. Harwin was like his father, never self-interested. Also she was probably expecting the kids to have white hair, like herself and Alicent's children (the dark hair gene always comes so plot-conveniently in targaryens lol). She could have explain their whiteness to them being only 1/4th black.
Ideally Laenor's cousin would be the best choice but he would be Vaemond's kid and she couldn't trust him
Crispin got rejected and never moved on. So petty.
Which is a shame because he’s fine.
Don't leave the reason he's upset out of it. He was taken advantage of by his employer's child, breaking his vow and forcing him to dishonor himself, something knights take very seriously.
@Nacht294 Well, he's a man, and Rhaenyra is likeable, so...
@@Nacht294 and that commitment to his vow changed entirely when the Queen pardoned him and made her an ally in taking Rhaenyra down.
@Francis... obviously, he's bitter that he lost his honor so naturally he's a knight without honor and is acting as such. I'm not excusing his current behaviour, but ppl like to gloos over the fact that Rhaenyra caused this because of her lack of self-control.
I like that the characters are human - not black and white. It makes the story feel more like real life
To answer that comment that this show is darker, you're correct. It's the story about the civil war and it's wayyy more darker and intense than the stuff in game of thrones.
The stuff in game of thrones is just as dark lol
@@AminTheClubliterally they just love to yap 😂
nah rhaenyra is holding down the fort for her family while literally everyone but her dad tries to remove her from the throne. what was she supposed to do her husband didn’t fulfill his side of the bargain and she needs heirs like…
Also, Viserys is acting healthier because the old maester died and was replaced my a new maester. The new maester is younger and into new “modern” Westeros medicine making herbal remedies while the old maester was into the older Westeros medicine like leaching and maggots. They don’t explicitly say this but they absolutely hint it: in one of the previous episode (episode 4 or 5) you see the young maester in training offer to make king Viserys some medicinal remedies but the Old Maester overrules and tells the young maester that King Viserys also likes the leach/maggot treatment. So yeah, summing it up, the new maester brought newer more effective medicine to Viserys so that is why he is doing better.
Idk what else Rhaenyra could have done. Maybe she and Laenor could have made their original agreement work, but whatever chance they had would have gotten ruined the minute Joffrey's death became a trauma associated with their marriage and relationship.
Viserys will never admit those kids are bastards. It puts them and Rhaenyra's claims and lives in danger.
Yeah, but her problems are not everybody else’s. She forces everyone to just play dumb and live in her lie. The customs of the continent you’re trying to rule kind of matter. Don’t ask for obeisance from the lords, and then break one of the biggest rules and expect there to just be no consequences from it. Rhaenyra could’ve gotten an annulment and actually married someone that could’ve given her children and she could’ve taken herself out of line for the throne because she’s not the only heir anymore. She has three younger brothers. The secret of the great war doesn’t have to be on her shoulders alone. Shes a morally complex character with her own motivations and ambitions like everyone else. She was willing to put her obvious bastard children in danger by keeping them in line to get this seat.
She could have gotten a Velaryon father to father the children
@@jordanrivers5825 agreed, but you're asking for better and more moral political decisions than I've seen from anyone on this show 😭
3:58
Viserys: I do believe he has his father's nose
Laenor: 🤡🤡
Alicent: 🧐🧐
Rhaenyra:🤡🤡
laenor was just happy to be there
🤣
Funny because in the book, the Strong boys have Ser Harwin's nose.
The thumbnail though, isn't it from the scene in episode 8 after the dinner?
The tradition is that the heir to the iron throne should live in dragon stone.. And that what daemon tried to do in ep 2 when he stole dragon egg and went to draginstone, he tried to appoint himself as the rightful heir though Rhaenira was already sworn to by the lords as the heir
From here on all the episodes are fire
Absolutely. Especially 8-10.
Oh boy, this will definitely be the episode I have the most info to deliver.
Wish me luck😅
First off, let's talk about the 10 year timeskip and what happened in between :
Starting with Daemon, after Rhaenyra's wedding he went to the Vale to ask Lady Jeyne Arryn for his inheritance of Runestone, but since nobody likes him there he was basically kicked out of the Vale and told never to return.
Afterwards he went to duel the son of the Sealord of Braavos for Laena's hand and after winning the duel he married her.
Corlys generally likes Daemon so he didn't oppose it.
Afterwards the couple would travel the cities of Essos until they arrive in Pentos, which is where they are in the episode.
Together they have two twin daughters, Baela and Rhaena.
Of the two tho, only Baela's egg hatched in her cradle and out of it came her beautiful dragon named Moondancer.
Moondancer is one of the youngest dragons in the story, it's still too small to ride.
As for Laena.
We saw in episode two that she was curious about Vaghar and this episode she mentioned she tamed her when she was 15, so even prior to episode 5 timeline wise, becoming Vaghar's third rider and in possession of the currently biggest Targaryen dragon.
To explain how Viserys survived so long we have to look at his two maesters.
In the first 5 episodes Grandmaester Mellos was in charge of Viserys, with Maester Orwile serving under him, Mellos's treatments never seemed to work tho.
Maester Orwile suggested some other treatments but he was ignored.
During the timeskip Mellos died of old age and now Orwile is grandmaester and we see that Viserys got his infected arm amputated which probably slowed the progression of his disease.
As for Rhaenyra and Alicent, let's talk about their kids.
We already met Aegon and Healena prior to the timeskip as babies, but now Alicent has a third child, Aemond, and a fourth one I'm not gonna talk about because of spoilers for future seasons.
Just know that Viserys and Alicent have 4 kids, the youngest of which wasn't in this season despite being born during the timeskip between episode 5 and 6.
It's being confirmed that they will appear in the future seasons by the show runners tho, for now just know that they exist.
Aegon and Healena have dragons.
Aegon's young dragon is named Sunfyre, which in the story is considered the most beautiful dragon.
There is a theory that the egg in episode 2 was Sunfyre himself but I don't know of any proof to validate it.
Healena's dragon is named Dreamfyre and she is her second rider.
Dreamfyre's first rider was Rhaena Targaryen, the older sister of Jaehaerys I, the old king.
Thus Dreamfyre is one of the oldest dragons in the show (besides Vaghar of course) and we actually see her in this episode as she was the dragon that scared Aemond in the dragonpit.
Another cool fact about Dreamfyre that was revealed to us in the source material is that she is all but confirmed to be the mother of the dragons we see in GOT, which is also why the show uses the same design for her as the ones for the dragons in GOT.
As we see in the episode, Aemond is the only one without a dragon.
As for Rhaenyra's three children with Harwin they are Jacaerys (Jace), Lucerys (Luke) and Joffrey.
Jace and Luke also have two young dragons.
Jace has Vermax, which we see in the episode, while Luke has a younger dragon named Arrax.
That's it for now, see you for the next episodes 👋
Episodes 7, 8 and 10 are by far my three favorites so I can't wait for the boys reaction.
Awesome info as usual. Just be careful with GOT info since some of them still not watch GOT.
Thanks
@@sawervogue thanks for the warning👍
I've been rightly criticized for giving too much away in other past comments so I decided to keep as vague as I thought I could while still deliver the info I wanted to share this time.
If I still give away too much for you I encourage you to speak up and share your opinions on it so I can endeavor to do better next time.
Alicent wishing her father was around is not the same as her commanding someone too kill their entire family
Right? Like Larys obviously used that as a way to make her complicit to his crime. He’s always resented his family, and this was the perfect opportunity to get rid of them while also doing a “favor” for the queen that’d make her “indebted” to him. Harsh lesson for Alicent, she can’t trust anyone around her.
But then she sees the use in him and keeps him, so she is a hypocrite. Where is honor and her faith, he is the worst, a kin slayer is the most reviled person according to their culture. She surrounds herself with monsters and claims being a victim just because they are useful to her. Criston should be dead, even if not for killing a knight from the prince consort because he broke his oath by bedding Rhaenyra and he could have said no, he was older and knew the consequences, but Alicent seems fine with that. Her Aegon is a beast and yet she does little to nothing to curb his worst behavior, Aegon was friends with his nephews but they keep poisoning him. Alicent believes her father unconditionally and never acknowledges that the actions that made her queen were against honor, virtue and loyalty, she cites duty but where was her duty to the crowns dignity, the late Queen Aemma just died and she must have known her and her plight. That is why even if Alicent was pushed by her father like a whore by their pimp, at some point she must realize her whole life began to unravel by choosing to listen to her father and she is bad person not the poor pious woman she claims.
@@LH_ore Not a single character in the show is pious or honorable. They’re all hypocrites, including Alicent. This is a political show, and she’s learning how to take advantage of the cards she has been dealt. A person can be a victim, AND a flawed/bad person. These things are not mutually exclusive. Larys used her, and that was a lesson to her, she knows to keep him close and use his talents to her advantage now. Why discard a useful tool when you could use it instead?
I find it funny how only Alicent’s flaws outrage people, but not Daemon’s or Rhaenyra’s.
@@BelovedAlicent oh Rhaenyra is a brat, had little to no care to her responsibilities and the weight of being heir, she is politically ignorant, hard to say is she had any instruction or was left to wander. She was callous and made the dumbest decisions throughout her time as heir. But what really bothers me about Alicent is the hypocrisy, she is the first to break trust. She spouting things like honor y decency and using her religion as a shield is vile. And then has a call to war, so yeah Alicent keeps throwing the first punch and then cowers in fear and paranoia thinking that there will be retaliation. Daemon is simply chaotic and makes stupid impulsive choices, also a murderer. He put Rhaenyra in a bad spot, and Rhaenyra was stupid to follow. At least what redeems her is her children, but then again she had bastards and that puts them in terrible peril and weakens the line of succession. So I guess the thing with them is, one side are bad people that want to keep their power and the other side are bad people who want to steal that power. And is that active trying to get into the Tagaryens and steal from them the tools of their power that has more weigth for me. I dont know if Rhaenyra coukd have ascended uncontested, even without Ottos and the Greens interference, or even if she would have been a good Queen.
@@LH_ore That’s fair. Alicent’s hypocrisy just doesn’t bother me at all. It humanizes her to me. Wherever I look in real life, I find people to be hypocritical. Even myself. So I enjoy that the show isn’t afraid to show her hypocrisy. I do disagree that she always throws the first punch though.
We need the next episode of your reaction!!!
Yes!! The wait for this episode felt especially long considering we got spoiled with episodes 4 and 5 dropping two days apart! Good stuff guys!!
Targaryen Dragon Lore: Vhagar (the large green dragon we saw Laena riding) is the oldest and largest of the living dragons. She was hatched during the Century of Blood (a time between the Doom of Valyria and Aegon's Conquest of Westeros). Her previous riders go as followed:
Queen Visenya Targaryen - Elder sister-wife of King Aegon I Targaryen (known as Aegon the Conqueror). Visenya with Vhagar, Aegon with Balerion, and Rhaenys with Meraxes conquered six of the seven kingdoms
**Queen Rhaenys Targaryen was the younger sister-wife of Aegon I Targaryen. It is said he married his older sister for duty, to secure his inheritance. And that he married his younger sister for love.
**Balerion is a legendary dragon known as the Black Dread. He was one of the five dragons brought by House Targaryen to Dragonstone when they fled Valyria prior to the Doom, and the only one of the five to live to the time of Aegon's Conquest.
Prince Baelon Targaryen - second son of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen and Queen Alysanne Targaryen. Father of King Viserys I Targaryen and Prince Daemon Targaryen. Believed to have died from a burst appendix (I think). His death led to the Council of 101 AC that named Viserys as Jaehaerys' heir over Rhaenys.
Lady Laena Velaryon - current rider. Daughter of Lord Corlys Velaryon and Princess Rhaenys Targaryen. Second wife of Prince Daemon Targaryen. Older sister of Ser Laenor Velaryon.
More Targaryen Dragon Lore: the dragon that the young Prince Aemond encountered beneath the Dragon Pit was Dreamfyre. Game of Thrones fans will be more familiar with her look because it is the same used for Daenerys' dragons (it is believed that a clutch of three eggs that were stolen during the reign of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen were the ones gifted to Daenerys, and that these came from Dreamfyre).
Dreamfyre was hatched during the reign of Aegon I Targaryen. She was large enough to be mounted by 35 AC. Her riders are:
Queen Rhaena Targaryen - eldest daughter of King Aenys I Targaryen (son of King Aegon I Targaryen and Queen Rhaenys Targaryen) and Queen Alyssa Velaryon. Elder sister of King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne. (I won't get into the history of her marriages because that would be extremely long)
Princess Helaena Targaryen - Second daughter of King Viserys I Targaryen, only daughter of Queen Alicent Hightower. (I'm not sure if it is discussed in the show, but the histories say the princess bonded with the dragon during the reign of her father and that she was riding the dragon by age eleven)
Dragon looooore \o/ Thanks for that!
Got after HOTD button 👇
Yes yes yes
I cannot wait to see your reaction to the next episode hahaha
The biggest plothole of this show is the fact that criston cole was not executed
Coz Alicent got his back, and viserys listened to her a lot too
It's not necessarily a plot hole, he's a kingsguard and has the queen's protection, though I wish we could have seen how that went down
Nobody cares about a random knight being murdered. Most people would assume a kingsgaurd had a good reason to do so and he also has the queens protection and the fact that the Velaryons wouldn’t want Laenors affair to be known helps too.
Yeah, I notice the show can either be logical or compelling but rarely can it be both at the same time.
He is a kingsguard and the gay have a knife in his hand.
Joffrey death was very good for both Valaeryon and Targaryen.
Criston have the Queen protection and he can say that the princess lost his v card to him so he can kill her too.
I mean what other choice did rhaenyra have? She had to as the heir have her own heirs to secure her position or the court would whisper of her being barren. I would assume the process for rhaenyra and Laenor to bed one another would be extremely hard for them both. She’s not interested in him and he obviously isn’t interested in her and the whole situation is awkward and uncomfortable and in some way I bet traumatic. So if Laenor couldn’t give her children she would have to look elsewhere.
The next episode is my favorite!!! So excited 👏👏
"Oooh, Viserys is still kicking!" lol, he comes in looking half dead. XD I love it
And the way McKay looks at the camera. LOL XD. I love it.
This is an amazing episode; seeing how all the characters look when they get older. Seeing the lines of allegiances & loyalties form & harden against one another....
But the NEXT episode is my FAV of the Season.
Not sure if someone said this isn’t he comments already. Sir Cristan Cole got away with murder only because he is a member of the Kingsguard (therefore of higher status/protection/authority than Joffrey) and Alicent protected him. So yes Kingsguard do have leeway to kill, they obviously aren’t supposed to murder people like that but they are the kings protectors and can do so in the name of the king and also obviously get away with killing people unjustly while others wouldn’t have gotten away with it
just like rhaenyra got away with having bastards
Finally bro's!, been waiting for this next episode! What the eff?😜
Episode each day please!😂
Next episode is one of my favourites of the season :)
And welcome Vhagar the oldest and biggest dragon alive.
I mean at the end of the day Rhaenyra and Laenor tried having kids but wasn't able to. She, one way or the other, needed to have an heir. It's not her fault that Laenor isn't that fertile or doesn't like girls, she was forced to mary him.
i loooove this reacting to HOTD seriess, please upload the videos more oftennn😭🙏
This episode is not the best of the series, but it serves to show us where she is going, the following episodes are very good, you will like it, Episode 8 is the best of the entire season along with the final episode, Rhaenyra will grow very
Yes
I've watched a lot of reactors and it's always funny to me that when rhaenyra makes a mistake (I agree she does a lot of them, she's a flawed charater like most on the show) they always immediatly say "okay she can't be queen anymore" and than proceeds to indicate someone that did much worse things than her (and a lot of the times that someone is a man).
Yep. This shows how patriarchial their thought process are. It is literally what the show is tackling on.
@@LauraGS564 Prepare to be disappointed with the outcome if you think this show is tackling the "patriarchy" 😂
I hope sir Criston meets his end to a dragon so I can call him sir Crispon
Jeremy Jahns when he reviewed the show made a funny comment how after each episode when he saw Viserys keep returning but looking worse, it reminded him of Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith saying, "There here is. He's still alive" 😅
One thing some people don’t realise is that in the books, the Velaryons are Valyrian/White - of the same ethnicity as the Targaryens. They’re so interbred that they’re basically the same family.
Rhaenys Targaryen (Laenor and Laena’s mother) is half-Baratheon, and in the books has BLACK hair. Rhaenyra’s mother is also half Arryn, and while I don’t believe he’s described, it’s possible he had dark hair too.
Genetics in Westeros work differently than they do in our world, with some magic stuff going on, but in that book context, “their” kids having dark hair isn’t that completely out of the ordinary or as potentially scandalous as it is in the show with Rhaenys having white hair on screen and Corlys being black on screen. So it’s a different vibe of suspicion.
Apparently in the books, Princess Rhaenys was brunette due to her partial Baratheon blood, so it wouldn’t be out of the question for her grandkids to also have brown hair. Interesting choice for them to make it more glaring for the show - they probably figured it would confuse people for them all to not have the white hair
I am so desperately hoping that house of the dragon is a lead up to you guys watching game of thrones….its masterful
So tbf. Daemon did cared and loved Laena. He was in turnmoil when she died, she was a good wife and good lady, even though her young age.
Yes, it's really sad that the show decided to skip the storyline for both Laena and Harwin. Both their characters brought so much to the development and character arc for Daemon and Rhaenyra and the show just dismisses it completely.
It's years and years of building resentment, of course everything is different. it's a ticking bomb and for sure it's gonna blow up in everyone's face
Aemond actor is soooo good
Everyone judging Rhaenyra for having kids with Harvin, she tried with Laenor but it didn't happen. She had to have heirs of her own. She had to secure her line of succession wich her Dad wanted for her. Without kids the vultures around her would take that advantage even more.
Maybe cuz we haven’t gotten to that episode yet
Y’all aren’t ready for episode 7
The cast change and time skip might be jarring at first but this new main cast is great and it’s going to be permanent from now on but you’ll get used to it when you watch the next episodes
Eating popcorn while watching HOTD? Trust me, eating while watching HOTD or GOT is not a good idea.
Episodes gets darker from here. 😩
They don’t have white hair?😂😂Yeah that’s the problem🤣🤣🤣I never read the books and so I didn’t really care when people were complaining about the Valyrians being race swapped, till we got to the conflict of the kids then I laughed hella hard and was like yeah that’s a really stupid decision🤣🤣
Not really. Many kids with one white parent and one black parent can turn out looking way more like one than the other, not every mixed child looks like a perfect inbetween. Genetics is really really weird like that. There was a girl on America's Next Top model years ago who was very pale and blonde, but who had an African American mother and a German dad, the host even called out how crazy it was and she would never have guessed. Its not like it ruins the immersion if you actually understand how plausible that is in reality, especially compared to the way more egregious issue that two silver haired parents should't have a brunette kid
@@jazzycat8917I mean I guess😂🤣
@@blaubeer8039yeah it’s comically obvious that’s for sure
@@blaubeer8039 like I said🤣Never read the books so I don’t know about all that purple eyes would be sick🔥You can take a breather now😂
It is a bit more ambiguous in Fire & Blood because Princess Rhaenys (Leanor's mother aka the Queen Who Never Was) is part Baratheon and has dark hair. And for those who know "the seed is strong." Having grandchildren with dark hair isn't an automatic red flag.
HOTD decides to make it more obvious that Rhaeyna's children are bastards to highlight how perception matters more than reality and what people will do to reinforce or combat that perception.
Next episode is my favourite
A lot of people forget Leynor is gay, and thus cant "perform" they mention breifly that they have tried to conceive but he cant get her pregnant. She should have chosen another that looks like Leynor that way she had heirs that wouldnt be challenged
Oh yes I have forgotten gay men can't have children 🤦🏽♀️
@@p1ysaucedolol. Laenors most probably infertile
"I feel bad for Aemond......"
little do they know…
That he's Gay....@@legolasokatti4281
and?? I still feel bad for him even after episode 10
I still do. Luke had it coming, nothing against Rhaenyra but that bastard boy was too annoying
Dragonstone is the seat of the heir to the Iron Throne.
The politics in the second half of the season are what’s so fun. People being “rats” is the fun part of politics!!
17:19 "I wanna see a dragon hatch" while Rhaena Targaryen holds a dragon egg. 👀
07:00: Nice Gandalf reference.
Rhaenyra targaryen isn't innocent nor malevolent . she was just trying to secure her position but she is married to a gay person who won't fulfill the duty of giving her children . Rhaenyra is following her dad's words by securing her claim as now alicent is giving birth to True targaryens ( their looks make them true even tho they are mixed ) and yet again corlys once stated that History doesn't remember blood , it remember names and that's what rhaenyra meant when she was talking to jaecerys , it won't matter if he is a bastard or a legal high born , he is a targaryen by claim and a velaryon by name
The time jumps are a lot smoother if you watch it weekly with some space in between. The next episode will drag you back in. Imo the time jumps are incredible. You really get a sense of generational trauma that would be almost impossible otherwise. It's super innovative the way they did it imo.
In the book, the parentage of rhaenyra kids is ambiguous Bcs Laenor mothers has black hair and Rhaenyras mother hair is never stated. Alicent just picks on it to discredit rhaenyra and push for her children claim. The show just didn’t adapt that aspect Bcs of the purple eyes thing that isn’t adapted
also the whole bastard thing is totally blown out of proportion because even then they have claim to the throne because they are rhynearas children, it would be different if leanor would be the heir, but he is not, she is the heir and so are her children no matter the father
"None of them have white hair?!"
Carter really do be colorblind
14:24 I think that what you guys should understand is that a member of the king'sguard is A LOT higher in the hierarchy than even the lord commander of the City watch. As such, politically Criston is of a much higher rank than Harwin. As for how/why Criston got away with Killing Joffrey, the creater In Deep Geek has an excellent video on the topic that does not spoil any of the future stories in house of the dragon. I strongly recommend you watch it privately just to understand the political dynamics of how a kings guard could literally get away with murder.
you'll be gobsmacked on the next episode.
Harwin, Lyonel and Laena’s death all killed me :(
I always wondered if the realm during this time allowed kings to have bastards like in GOT. If so, then why can’t Rhaenyra have her men? Interesting argument.
Because she is trying to pass of them as true born. Name one dude on got that tried to put his bastard to the throne before trueborns?
@@lol-oe1md good point. They did have the power as king to make their bastards true born through the law though.
Don't worry, this episode was setting all the pieces up, you may have trouble picking sides in the upcoming episodes, but you will find characters to care about.
One thing I see a lot of people disregard when judging Otto against Lyonel is their stations. Lyonel is the lord of one of the oldest and strongest houses in Westeros, whilst Otto is the second son, fit to inherit nothing he doesn’t claim for himself, to use the show’s language. Yes, Otto is reaching for power, but it’s understandable in a world like Westeros, where status and power mean everything.
Love your discussions after, you guys remain impartial and seem pretty logical with your thoughts.
Alicent is bitter affffffff lol
The actors now playing Alicent and Rhaenyra were cast first and then the younger actors were cast to play the younger versions of them. Lots of people had a bit of a tough time with the transition. But you will get used to these actors, who will play them from now on for the rest of the series. The only changes you will have going forward is with the children as they grow up other actors will play them.
Episode 7 improves a lot, then we understand everything that was said in episode 6
I can’t wait for them to finish this and watch game of thrones. Can’t wait to see everyone reaction to it. If you like house of the dragon then GOT is gonna be top tier for you (minus season 8)
If you think this episode was insane wait until you get to episode 7. That one is so intense 😭
YAY
If only Viserys married Leena or let rhaenyra and daemon marry, none of this mess would happened.. dude is a good person but a terrible king. His decision to marry Alicent was one of the reasons Targaryen House destroyed.. When you will watch GoT you will understand better everything
Leanor is not fertile 😐
Thank goodness for these videos lol ya’ll are helping me get through the worst of my morning sickness ❤ a welcome distraction 😂
Love that we can help in some way!!! Thank you for this comment
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