Monks are BROKEN in Baldur's gate 3
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My favorite part of BG3 monk are the changes to step of the wind. By making it so it grants infinite jumping on that turn, if you've taken feats and equipment that bump jump distance, you don't dump STR, or you have Enhance Jump, you effectively get multiple misty steps on a single turn and can travel several hundreds of feet in six seconds. There are time constrained scenarios in the game where you have X turns to complete a task that are absolutely trivialized by a single monk. Easily the most mobile class in the game.
I'm definitely doing Monk on my 3rd playthrough.
Who needs fly when you have a jump monk
Yeah...really helped with the Act 2 BBEG. I jumped over all the adds, jumped of to Dame Aylin and got her up and moving, and then jumped up to the mindflayer on the highest platform, all in one turn.
@mikevismyelement 😂 I'm so glad I'm not alone on this. . . I, too, am i'm on my third monk. I really meant to try something else out-- but I caved. My husband was like ". . . Why. . . Why are you like this?"
Tbh, I also like really enjoy just running around in pretty much nothing but my durge cloak, bracers, and the blood of my enemies. One thing that kind of sucks though, is the lack of fun/witty dialogue. I really wish there were better dialogue options. Like these are high WIS characters-- and even when you spec into charisma-- uh--well I don't think programmers accounted for that. . . No shade, it's an odd decision. But, yea, Monks FTW
I actually used my monk in this exactly Scenario. I was in a part of the game where we had 6 turns to do something, but I needed to get 1 character to the far side of the area and interact with 4+ different things while also fighting off opponents. Without teleporting, which I needed to have another character save for an escort mission on the opposite side of the area, this was the only way I could have had one of my characters accomplish this without leaving some interactions behind.
(Purposefully vague to avoid spoilers)
The fact that Open-Hand Monk gets most of his good stuff at level 6 is absolutely insane. It opens up so many ways for fun multiclassing options.
level 6? i think it comes online as soon as you hit level 4 an hit tavern brawler. just chug an elixir of hill giant strength (which the dwarf lady sells at the myconid camp) and boom. it's a powerhouse.
@@mikealgiers7852 for sure tavern brawler is a major milestone in Monk builds for BG3, at level 6 you just get the rest of abilities you'll need to use with wholeness of body and additional passive damage. I think this is just enough to get the max efficiency from your class flavour, the rest 6 levels can go to multiclassing experiments.
@diomedes7971 I tested this ability out and didn't really like it just because it doesn't really work for my character roleplay. That's why I never took more than 8 levels in Monk. You can do fine just punching people without any explosion shenanigans.
I feel so bad for monk players in 5e.
Thank you 😔
Thanks... Every time we get a buff we get 3 kicks in the teeth and pushed back down
I pray that they didn’t butcher my boy Four Elements Monk’s Fangs of the Fire Snake. Please that 1d10 fire damage is all it has going for it, so please tell it isn’t so.
Definitely feels better playing one in BG3. Regardless, the flavor of the class still makes it fun to play in 5e. Best combat description potential out there
I’ll take your pity. We monk players need it.
Tavern brawler on a STR monk is absolutely incredible as it adds your STR mod TWICE to attack and damage rolls for unarmed strikes. I completely stopped using weapons entirely. as each hit was getting +10 to damage without them.
Going first 2 levels fighter for heavy armour and action surge then 10 levels of open palm monk is absolutely devastating. I highly advise it!
My first coop playthrough was a Seldarine dorw Sword dancer of Elistraee. Tempest Cleric 1/Monk 11 I utterly gave up on weapons after tavern brawler, only got her str to 22 but oh my she was taking names through our good guy playthrough.
get 3 levels of thief rouge for an extra bonus action
for 3 bonus actions
add haste for even more attacks on your action
UNLEASH YOUR INNER STAR PLATINUM
*ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA*
I rerolled Karlach as a monk in my game and god damn does she hit like the muscle mommy she is, currently at lvl 10 and she is 6 lvl open hand monk, with tavern brawler to add double str to damage, 4 lvl thief rogue for the extra bonus action and ability score increase for another 2 points of str, so 20 str and finally I’ll be taking 2 lvls of fighter for action surge.
With haste applied and the free bonus action for 3 turns, THATS ALOT OF DAMAGE!!!
Also she has the boots that add wisdom to damage and a pair of gloves that deal necro damage on strike and chance to cause bleeding.
Try Sevem Monk, Two Fighter, Three Rogue.
@@Xerou6 Monk, 3 Rogue, 3 Fighter or Barbarian also sounds nice.
Dark Urge Rogue is pretty nice because you get a cloak of invisibility pretty early on that allows you to turn invisible once per turn if you kill someone.
shadow monk can also abuse that
The biggest reason is the change to Tavern Brawler, meaning monks now also have a feat to increase their damage, similar to Great Weapon Master for other martials (only even more OP, somehow)
The takeaway I get from this is that the way to buff martial classes is to give them decent, practically resource-less features. Wholeness of M/B/S as highlighted here, Manifest Echo from Echo Knight, and Ancestral Protectors from Ancestral Guardian Barbarian all feel like this.
This sounding like pf 2e
To compensate, you'd need to make casters explosive in power.
Martials get stable output, casters get explosive output.
They are already explosive in power.@@DBinitiate
Let's not forget Rogue's claim to fame in Sneak Attack. And then give them interactions with their infinite feature
@@DBinitiatecasters are fine late game melee and non casters are severely underpowered especially when wish is a thing
There are also so many items around the game that focus on adding +2 dmg of an elemental type, or adding advantage/dmg to unarmed strikes that the class gets even crazier.
A whole lot of these things can be grabbed by level 6, not to mention how broken haste/speed potions are in general.
You can also sink 1 level into Barbarian for an extra +2 damage per hit and physical resistance, if you plan to be unarmored.
I think the simplest reason that BG3 Monk is so much better is because the game has a LVL cap of 12 instead of 20, so the devs knew that following the PHB to the letter would have been a death sentence for most classes, let alone the Monk
Yeah I'm using the Baldur's gate monk basics for my games now, cause that is amazing.
Also going 8 lvls of monk with 4 of thief rouge makes you amazing on the battlefield, both saving ki points for other abilities and having extra bonus actions for attacks is amazing. Shadow monk and thief is pretty much ultimate assassin.
9 monk, 3 thief gives you the 'anime' move resonating Ki - which looks pretty busted at current if you can group up enemies
I’m playing monk-thief atm with levels uncapped (currently level 14 late in act 3) and I can easily pump out 200 damage in a turn with my items, decent rolls and no external buffs
And I don’t miss with +20 to hit
Theres also that staff that the hag drops in act 1 which boosts your unarmed strikes which is really good for druids and monks.
Just buy it from her in the Emerald Grove as soon as you get off the nautiloid ship :)
@@cinn5611 she's in the grove?
@cinn5611 why would I buy it when she gives you it for free later though...
@@captianbaconbecause it's better to keep the hag alive rather than kill her. Also, by the time you fight the hag, you are probably lvl 4. By then, pure unarmed is entirely better than with the weapon. It's only good for monk lvl 1-3
Better Yet in the swamp there is a island thats part of the investigate Kahga quest line, and you get a pair of gloves that have the same effect as jolt weapons from saving councilor florick from the burning inn
If you're on PC, get the "unlocked unarmed strike" mod if you're a monk. Basically, it allows you to use unarmed attacks even if you have a weapon equipped (this doesn't just unlock that for monks, but obviously they get the most use from it). Considering there's weapons which boost your unarmed attack rolls and damage even from early act 1 (e.g. correlon's grace from Auntie Ethel), it allows you to get the most out of that boost and also allows you to roleplay as a monk better imo, instead of only doing unarmed attacks as bonus attacks or with flurry of blows.
The best part is: these changes should be relatively easy to just port over to fifth edition. We have a semi-official 5e monk fix.
He didn't even mention wha might just be the most potent part of Wholeness of Body in BG3. When activated it recovers HALF YOUR MAXIMUM KI POINTS, and ALSO regenerates a ki point PER TURN for it's duration. So even if youre double Flurrying every turn you're only neting a loss of ONE KI POINT EVERY TURN. This is INSANE. It allows you to essentially NEVER RUN OUT OF KI IN A FIGHT if you're managing correctly. At level 6 you have 6 ki points, you can turn 1&2 flurry of blows, as well as deflect missles and throw it back. FOLLOWED by regenerating all 3 of those points back on turn 3, then use 2 flurry's. Next turn, instead of being back down to 4, you now have 5. 2 flurry's. Next turn 4. This lasts 5 turns. FIVE. TURNS. It's honestly one of the best buffs Monks got for drawn-out figts and it's AMAZING.
I want to stress, this is only with 6 levels, and doesn't even take into account multiclassing. As other's have pointed out, 3 levels of rogue for thief now you can have 3 bonus actions in a turn. Haste the monk and now you're looking at 10 attacks at level 9 only net losing 2 Ki points a turn. Grab 2 levels of fighter and action surge for another 2 attacks. Grab a 7th level in monk and you can just do that more often, or a 3rd in fighter for champion and crit more often, or a 4th in rogue for another feat/ASI, or grab a level in cleric for heavy armor. THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS AND THEY'RE ALL AMAZING.
It’s crazy
Triple dipping Dex and Wisdom for damage on your unarmed strikes is huge. Nevermind, Tavern Brawler, playing a Monk, as a Monk, is vastly improved by simply having Magic Items, that exist, made for a Monk to use. Gloves of Soul Catching, Boots of Uninhibited Kushigo, Vestments of Soul Rejuvination, then the relatively minor changes to Open Hand that give us the Manifestations, making Wholeness of Body return Ki Points, and introducing the Elixir system.
Massive changes.
Prior: Monk can do a lot of things, and alot of things at once, but the pathways to improvement on any of them lie in Magic Items, and Ability Scores. The biggest problem is, as its always been: Too MAD, too broke, too few short rests to spend it well.
Love your videos, keep up the good work
I pretty much immediately put all the bg3 changes into my homebrew rules for Monk
Thief monks go insano in bg3.
I have a few hotfixes for monk that seem to help a lot, adding wid mod (Or Prof bonus) to ki point pool, changing their saves to dex and wis, upping martial arts die by 1 size to a max of d12 at 17.
I would add PB to ki instead if the campaign starts at Tier 1. You'd otherwise have a Monk with potentially 5 ki points at the start.
@@aquartertwo maybe same number as pb, but not called prof bonus so as to not be broken with multiclassing
I also like the Tavern Brawler feat so you can make a monk who doubles their strength modifier for attack and damage. So you can do even more damage than you calculated
Love the videos! You are hilarious!
I can definitely see BG3 style Monks AND Rangers become super popular at a ton of tables.
Playing a Heavy Armor Strength Ranger right now, and it's basically the first ever time I've actually enjoyed the class.
Dnd and pathfinder as a whole is depressing while all my friends play the same vanilla classes but Baldurs gate over here can take my money for letting my monk dreams come true
Monks in BG3 bring insane mobility AND damage. There are tons of gear options that really make the monk pop off. Level 4,. respeccing for STR and Tavern brawler is a must. End game with max STR, and WIS taking advantage of tavern brawler feat and the Boots of the Uninhibited Kushigo which adds wisdom modifier to unarmored strikes. Being able to engage, kill multiple enemies, and still have the mobility to get to safety is great. Add in the flurry of numbers after an attack and it is just one of the most fun classes I've played. I think towards the end my Flurry of Blows was hitting for 44-84 dmg. Coupled with 3 points in thief and haste, it felt like I was cheating.
On my first playthrough I actually played an open-hand monk and I had so much fun, just brawling everyone down. Together with tavern brawler and also an item that enhanced my strength i had the best time lmao
This is why I adore the DM for the campaign I currently play in. I’m a Sorcerer/Monk (Lunar Sorcery, Astral Soul, if we wanna be specific), and the DM worked with me to make my character into what we affectional call a “Spellfist.” Essentially, my character is able to channel aspects of magic into her attacks to give them serious damage boosts for the cost of some sorcery points or a spell slot. Think something like Maliketh the Black Blade from Elden Ring, only no sword. I adore playing the character, the extra fun of the class just made her so much more badass.
I was not expecting to heard attack of the killer queen at the end there
WOW! KI points and flurry of blows at level 1?! How new and original
Seriously folks, its really time you learned pathfinder.
I do play pathfinder. This is a video about dungeons and dragons and Baldur’s gate 3 though
@@OffbeatOutlaw Yeah I'm literally telling you they did it first.
Baldur's gate just copied PF's monk progression instead of D&D's, because they actually make effective class progression.
People who don't play both systems wouldn't know that... I'm telling people to play the better system.
What I like about Open Hand Monk in BG3 is that it largely operates off your bonus actions, leaving your regular actions for things that another class can do, like Barbarian. You can use your normal attacks as a Barbarian that are powered up with rage, and then use your bonus actions to do your Monk stuff. There is a surprising amount of synergy between the two in terms of action economy. Sure, it is very MAD (multi-ability dependent), but there are plenty of magic items that can massively boost certain stats, like the Gauntlets of Hill Giant Strength, and you can easily respec such a character as needed.
My first ever DnD character was a half orc Monk who had high strength and used his expanded mobility to get close quickly and grapple. I would either disable the biggest threat while my team mopped up the stragglers or they would help me focus him down.
ok more bonus actions are actually great bc they are always tied up with their bonus actions
sooo i do like the monk changes but i have to admit some of the unarmed items and FEATS LOOKING AT U TAVERN BRAWLER are a bit on the OVERPOWERED side 🤣 besides that i think the monk changes are reasonable considering other classes get a hyper haste which doesnt benefit monk as much cause they rely more on bonus actions then actions
items are fine, most of them are actually also available in 5e, some weaker, some actually stronger.
but tavern brawler is busted, i'm seriously thinking about respecing mine because it's too strong, in coop my mate is dealing so much less damage as me it's sad
One thing you forgot to mention about the BG3 Wholeness of Body ability, when used you also regain half your ki points and regenerate ki points each turn along with the extra bonus action.
So, the rogues primary issues are pretty readily fixed with access to consistent advantage whether it be from a familiar or the new Tasha features getting advantage. Other things to consider is access to booming blade which you can very easily get pairs amazingly with the mobile feat.
After home brewing my monk for 5 years I forgot the problem
Man's voice was strained but he really needed to talk about this lol. appreciate the enthusiasm
I stream every weekday so I’m tired ok 😂
@@OffbeatOutlaw where do you stream and when? I want to catch you live
@@Zeras97 I stream on twitch starting at 6pm EST! And fridays I stream here at 8pm EST
I’m about to start a monk barb build today in bg3 and I’m super excited
Monks in BG3 are not locked out of Great Weapon Master: it works with versatile weapons - including the standard-issue quarterstaff - held in two hands. That's one of the main reasons why monks fall behind fighters, and it's just not a problem in BG3. And yet most people aren't bothering with it because the tavern-brawler build is even better.
to be fair, Beatoff Outlaw would be a very different type channel
An Open Hand (8 lvls) Thief (3 lvls) Barbarian (1 lvl) is absolutely busted.
1st round of combat, you can pop a haste potion and rage in the same turn. Then you get 4 attacks (2 per action) that round and up to 8 in the next (2 per attack action + 2 per bonus action if you flurry) and all get that flat +2 rage damage.
I’ve seen some arguments about only going up to level 7 in monk, 3 to get thief rogue, and then putting 2 into Ranger for hunters mark and the beast tamer Natural Explorer to get a free familiar that does a little extra damage, and the dueling fighting style (flat +2 damage to attacks made with single handed weapons, which a few monk weapons fall into). There’s also a free proficiency(ies) and/or cantrip/spells from Favored Enemy.
The flat 1d6 to every attack from Hunter’s Mark is tempting. It’s only 1 bonus action to cast, and it’s concentrions until a long rest, so casting it once generally means not having to cast it again if you have decent CON for concentration saves. A familiar is always nice to have, and they have an extra ~1d4+1 damage and some kind of useful status effect (the Raven blinds and the rat lowers constitution to fuck over spell caster concentration checks. Once you get Scratch as a familiar, he does 1d6 damage). The flat 2 damage on the action attacks with a single handed monk weapon (dagger, short sword, scimitar I think) is 4 damage regularly, 8 damage hasted, which is less than the Barbarian’s +2 to everything, but the 3.5 damage/attack average from Hunter’s Mark makes up for it. A little bit more proficiency may or may not be worth it to you.
The downsides to this build: losing your 2nd and 3rd ASI/Feat. This is huge scaling potential that is lost. The damage output doesn’t really matter if you can’t hit. The mobile or athlete feats makes any martial build even more dangerous as they’re even more capable or reaching enemies quickly.
That extra d6 damage needs to be refocused as a BA once an enemy dies, which could be used for more attacks.
The hp base and retention differential is also a thing. Monks and Rogues have d8 as their hit die, Rangers have d10, and Barbarians have d12. The average of those is 5, 6, and 7 hp respectively, so there is no difference in taking 8/3/1 in Monk/Rogue/Barb and 7/3/2 in Monk/Rogue/Ranger hp wise, assuming you start with your first levels in monk or rogue (you’ll end up with 65+(CON mod x 12) regardless). If you start with Barbarian or Ranger however, you will have a base lvl 1 hp of either 12+CON mod or 10+CON mod, which is only a 2 hp difference that drops to a 1 hp difference once you take your second level in Ranger instead of monk. The eventual hp bases at level 12 look like this: 65 starting with monk/rogue, 66 staring with Ranger, and 67 starting with Barbarian. HP retention is the big thing though. The Barbarian physical damage resistances during rage are huge in a fight, especially early game. You’re taking less damage overall.
Alternatively, if you take a level in warlock over barbarian and choose fiend, you heal from killing people with Dark One’s Blessing, effectively abusing your damage output to keep yourself in the fight longer. It won’t be much healing (likely only 2-3 hp/kill) but I’ve gone down because I took 2 more hp than I had left.
Or if you take Great Old One, your crits frighten nearby enemies (disadvantage on attack and ability checks while in line of sight) potentially saving yourself and party members from some really heavy attacks. Considering how many attacks per round you have, crits are very likely, and if you take the Luck of the Far Realms illithid power, you can choose to crit.
The hp base for this build is all d8s so it’s 63, but if you’re constantly healing or constantly being missed by attacks, that can be negligible. They also get everything back on a short rest.
TL;DR: Monk Builds are wild and there are a fuck ton of ways to get more dmg/hp out of them. The Open Hand(8)/Thief(3)/Barb(1) build is good for hp retention and consistent static damage through rages (Tank build). The Open Hand(7)/Thief(3)/Ranger(2) build is more for focused damage on one enemy at a time through Hunter’s Mark and a well chosen familiar (BBEG Bully). The Open Hand(8)/Thief(3)/Warlock(1) builds are for either hp regeneration (old one) or battlefield control (fiend) that get everything back on a short rest (Energizer Bunny).
my favorite change to monk i add is adding ki points equal to their wis mod (Min of +1)
I feel like the BG3 rules for the Monk are gonna be adopted at DnD tables lol
they also helped moon druid, finally the moon druid i wished i coul play in 5e. wildshapes on a short rest+ combined with the added control of owlbear, bear, and earth mymradon make druid exceptionally fun to play. combine this with the myriad of feats that intentionally or not do work in wildshape and moon druid has never been better(except at lvl 20 in 5e but how many times do you play at lvl 20)
ahh tavern brawler take everything he said and add an extra 4 to hit and 4 damage to every punch 5 if your buffing your str with a potion.
You can ALMOST finally live your dragonball z fantasy...
Cuss they did not add the Sun Soul class
Q_Q
Here's what you do:
First feat -- Tavern Brawler
Second Feat -- Heavy Armor Proficiency
You get cinder gauntlets pretty early in the game prior to the underdark so this is 1-4 damage
Spec as Barb early on until you get heavy armor proficiency and get Open-Hand style...alright after you get all of this down then Act 2 and onwards:
Third Feat max out your strength not dex, respec into Fighter for action surge and also Rogue for the extra bonus action...in one turn at 20 strength you will dish out around 13-28 damage per normal fist strike, (so much more damage throwing items though), and you can basically dont have to respec your stats for constitution and strength (20). Equip Vaconia's Shield and youre set to just wreak havoc...
Asterion is incredibly OP though to build with heavy armor monk, he can solo Gortash and his mob soloing. I dont think monk was supposed to be played as a solo class but it build incredibly well with tavern brawler
I play monk regularly in my games and I have no idea what this guy’s talking about. I’m usually one of the most capable fighters in my party
My first playthrough was a four elements monk.
While the spells were handy during the mid game, end game I was just bouncing around stunning everyone.
The fact that I could run an entire map in one turn and have immunity to poison/toxins made some scenarios a damn breeze.
10/10 will do again 👍
I have always loved the idea of playing as a monk in my tabletop group but would feel like I'm not pulling my weight in the group if I did. Everyone already plays as a class that specialise in what the monk can do "kinda okay". Now I can't wait to jump into my second playthrough of BG3 as a monk
Once again, we learn that the people who do Dungeons and Dragons the worst, is Wizards of the Coast.
I felt my Wood Elf Monk was pretty busted in my 5E campaign... I guess my DM was pretty nice about it lol. Made it to Lvl12 in that. As for BG3 he's pretty muxh on-par as far as I remember so I'm having a great time.
This is my dnd 5e monk now
Outlaw: Monk bad because damage suck
Me: But monk is fun and everyone else is doing damage. I'mma do something else.
*Literally Rouges and Wizards: What if we did all the other stuff better than monks*
Tavern brawler shoots the damage out the roof where your dealing damn near 80 damage without a second bonus action as your punches are dealing like 16 damage MINIMUN and capping out at like I think 28 or 30 and then you add the hope gloves and that’s adds another d10 of damage or you do the hill gaint gauntlets and dump points into wisdom and dex for ac and wholeness damage and it gets crazy mid to end game where your murdering bosses in like 2 to 3 turns with ease
There's also the their martial arts die scaling faster (d6 at level 1) and flurry of blows not necessitating that the monk take its action first. Usually yeah your open hand technique can make enemies prone but RAW (crawford had confirmed this) you cannot first flurry and topple the target and then make your unarmed strikes with advantage, but baldur's gate basically says "fuck that" and allows you to make your bonus action in any sequence, so you can make your attack actions with advantage. Furthermore baldur's gate actually gives you good robes and gloves, which dnd is sorely lacking in (you almost always have to homebrew these items), and while i won't touch on tavern brawler (because even a straight dex monk is amazing), magic items adding a d4 on every hit of the class which makes the most hits per turn is just great
In hindsight, the fact that monks don't even get their most important features(ki and flurry) at first level is insane. It's like wizards not having any spell slots until 2nd level
Githyanki monk, dump wisdom in favor of str (only applies to your unarmed AC and were gonna wear armor in this build), go either open palm or shadow, wear the lightning charge gear, take a feat for proficiency with the trident and one for the shield, have fun XD
And you buy that and you have alot of pleasure!
Yeah I gave the Monk character at my table a leveling weapon* so he wouldn't regret his decision because his character can't keep up in damage output.
(*attuned weapon that becomes more powerful and gets extra abilities as the character levels up)
Let's not forget the extra bonus action you can get by dumping 3 levels in rogue, that's also insanely powerful for the monk. The items for the monk in this game are also great. My only gripe is at a point in the game where the game gives you two insanely powerful items for the monk for the same slot and you end up never using the coolest one of the two because it's subpar if you are willing to respec, which is kind of sad. The fact that all weapons are monk weapons if you are proficient with them is also amazing. I also play monk in tabletop and I don't find it weak but you can't really play it in a way that makes you loved by your party, you go in, hit and skedaddle further than your mage, it's very strong at doing that and you'll likely be the last one to die in any party wipe and unlike the others you'll get the choice of actually saving your skin during a party wipe if you want. People may just hate you but I've had plenty of fun playing the monk.
BG3 Tavern Brawler lets you add your STR bonus twice to both attack And damage on unarmed, thrown, and improvised attacks. So if your Monk is STR based, assuming you hit 18 strength with the Stat bump TB gives, your fists become effectively +4 weapons.
To put that into perspective, even the most powerful legendary weapons *ever* really only carry a +3 to attacks and damage.
And then you can get STR to 20 for a +5, and magic items can give further boosts...
in my Thief 3 / monk 7 with tavern brawler i did so much damage it was insane 3 action bonus with flurry of blows + enlarge for all day 22 strenght
Tavern brawler add bonus strength mod to fisting, throwing and improv weapon attacks AND damage and +1 to strength or constitution
I'm playing the Munk as my first ps5 playtholrough and I'm enjoying it yet I'm not as educated in the deeper d&d so I'll listen
Honestly I would of settled for a hit/damage bonus at 6 and 12, being monk fists become +1/+2 weapons for the purposes of attack rolls. This would let people stack wisdom and not lose out on landing stunning strike.
i hope they add bugbear's as playable so i can recreate my first character
Tavern brawler got completely changed. It's sooo good now. Maybe only as good as it is because of the itemisation in BG 3?
Man Im wanting to play an open hand monk 3 level thief rogue real badly now lol
Wait a minute.. The difference between bg3 and 5e is both that monks get ki at level 1, yes, but also that they get an extra ki point in bg3.
In 5e they get them at lvl 2, but they get 2 at lvl 2. o.ô
Open Hand Thief multiclass means two bonus actions. Mix that with a potion of speed or an elixir of Bloodlust and you got 8 punches a turn
10 with Wholeness of body.
Live out your Fist of the North Star dreams
I love monks more than I love Stalin.
I was a Dark Urge Black Dragonborn Shadow Monk, and sweet lord...I stun-locked half the hard encounters by just Palming them into submission. Shit, I beat Ethel the first time in Act 1 by just stunning her so she couldn't port away to her second phase.
Let's not forget itemization
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Shadow monk is unironically second only to gloomstalker in terms of stealth in base 5e, and even then, after playing one for 5 years straight, I can say monk is really weak
We had to get a fair deal somwwhere
I'm personally making a Wildheart (bear) monk openhand multiclass with tavern brawler and sentinel, spect with 20 strength
I haven’t been able to bring myself to play a Monk because the mechanics fail to capture the fantasy. Mechanically, the Monk fails at everything they’re supposed to be good at: they deal low damage, they can’t dodge hits due to low AC, and they can’t take the hits that they’re inevitably going to take due to their low AC because of their d8 hit die. All of those things are core to my fantasy of playing a Monk, and when the mechanics of the class fail to capture my Kung Fu Master fantasy, then I’d rather play a Fighter flavored as a gruff sellsword or a Paladin as a noble knight or a Rogue as a stealthy thief because the mechanics capture enough of the fantasy to make the class work both in and out of combat.
You will love the BG3 monk then
I'm currently playing a Stronk Githyanki, I'm dealing 80 to 100 damage per turn. It's great xD
Now I know why a friend thought monks were overpowered xD
I played shadow monk from 1 to 12 and that felt a bit underwhelming.
Tavern brawler is busted, since it works with both monk and druid's wild shape
Dood! I figured this out like 3 days ago! I switched to open hand monk and with magic item gloves adding wis modifier to each punches damage... THEN I figured out that... their bonus action is a double attack ... and Thief rogues get TWO! bonus actions at all times.... basically each punch does as much damage as a greatsword, two attacks + 2 attacks per bonus action which I now(at lvl 10) have 2 of each turn. probably the most single target damage + stunning strike/topple flurry being GREAT at incapacitating people if there's many enemies on the board. with unparalleled movement options - IT'S GREAT!
and having the extra bonus action means I can be MORE mobile with jumping around as needed while still able to get off a flurry of blows. AND if I use the wholeness of body I suddenly have 3 bonus actions... (I haven't tried out this in combat but the symbol of BA gets to 3)
and I have to say - being the "face" of the party, doing the most interactions, being a rogue I get expertise in a bunch of things as well - I really like my character and it's strengths
Tavern Brawler is nuts on a monk. But also if you multiclass into Assassin Rogue, that damage potential goes even higher. It is busted, and I love my monk character because of this.
Assassin Rogue is good for the first turn, and I think it multiclasses better with Gloomstalker Ranger. Thief Rogue gives a monk two bonus actions, so that's two flurries a turn, 3 if you trigger wholeness of body.
Thief makes a lot more sense honestly, unless you play off of surprise like every fight. I didn’t use astarion the whole game, then specced him as an open hand monk 6 / thief 4 / fighter 2, and gave him all the best unarmed-strike items I’d gotten throughout the game in preparation to fight Cazador…..he literally 1-turned Cazador from full health.
I did a non tavern brawler full open handed monk class and it was still a great time. I’m honestly having a hard time sticking to my Paladin character and not respec into monk again.
@@romxxii I realized I put the wrong subclass name. I actually did thief rogue on my monk. I went Assassin rogue on my Astarion.
Thank God you typed rogue instead of rouge! God bless you! I have arguments all the time with morons.
> Everything the Monk wants to be is outperformed by something else
Yes, and then you have to wonder why the Monk is capable of doing several roles at once while all these outperforming classes are stunted by being specialized. They are Rogueish skirmishers while doing damage and locking down enemies, as well as having ranged options both to complement their skirmishing and to use when enemies stay out of their range.
The thing with the Monk is not in what it excells at, but at the range of options they have.
Rogues, Warlocks, and Wizards all cannot fight like a Monk can, while a Monk can do what they are capable of. Fighters do not have the inherent range of options of the Monk, especially when you want to outperform one by going Great Weapon Master.
The only real problem is indeed the Ki tax on everything they do. If you were to actually fix the way that Monks are in 5e, you would make their abilities more powerful than those of other classes while keeping the low amount of uses they get for them. They become explosive in power, but selective in when to use it. By making the Monk just generally more effective at what they do, you end up with no reason to play any other class due to the Monk being all other classes rolled up in one. Which is the exact argument used against the Monk.
So yeah... Either live with the niche that the Monk has of being serviceable in many different roles without needing different characters, or make a niche where they are less useful than any other class but can choose to outperform all other classes for a short while. Because a blanket buff for the Monk does not solve the balance issues you have.
my str monk has curently (1d6 +17)bludg on each strike monks with tavern brawler are insane
Loved playing as my monk, made a stronk with the tavern brawler, that, by the way, is better than 5e, Wizards of the coast could learn lots from Larian take on the game
Monk/Cleric multi can be waaaaay too OP. Just cast long jump and spirit guardians in your character and activate Step of the Wind so you can spread the love on the whole battlefield. Not even counting in the rest of the stuff.
I have a tavern brawler hand monk with tadpole powers and a bunch of magic items that increase and add elemental damage to unarmed strikes and I deal close to 95 a turn with AOE on kill at level 7
bro doesnt know that a drow way of the shadow monk, multicclassed with a warlock for devil sight, makes perma darkness which just becomes unfair, and in BG3 specifically, its even more unfair because darkness is ridiculous at blocking ranged attacks
Speaking of Monk, I've been trying to get a lightning Monk to work.... was thinking of a couple of levels in tempest cleric may do the trick but I'd need someone way smarter with dnd to make it work for me xD
Also consider multiclassing Ranger for Hunters Mark, that's an extra D6 on how many attacks?
It is almost like a game company gave a shit about the game play
Just started the video but out of curiosity where did you get your headphones.
I'm actually working on my Dark Urge as a 5 Assassin Rogue/5 Shadow Monk/2 Fighter with illithid lucknof the far realms lol ots so good just being a 3/1 assassin monk so far lol
My latest greatness is Strength-based open hand 6 (manifestation of __ & Tavern brawler at lv4), thief 4 (bonus action & ASI), warlock 1 (hex because sooooo many attacks and what else am I concentrating on? Subclass I went Fiend for temp hp). Last level I'm not sure what to grab. Trying to decide between evasion or uncanny dodge
Monks need MOAR Ki Points: level + WIS Mod. Short rest in 4E was five minutes. Enough time to loot the bodies and heal up. I can understand the video game logic of an instant rest though.
my level 10 monk can do (using speed pot and cloud giant elixer) a total of 12 massive ahits totalling 202-342 damage per turn and that like more then 4 turns in a row. Monk is really really good in bg3 xD
I'm pretty sure monk has the same amount of ki points. In bg3 its 1 point per level starting at level one, and in the table top it's 2 at level 2 and then 1 level each after.
However somethings that do make it stand out compared to the tabletop is that the game is fundamentally different. In tabletop, a lot of encounters you can get into action in one turn without burning your action or at worst you dash. I just have not had a DM who wants to make maps as complicated as BG3 level design. In BG3, I might actually lose a turn or even two without getting to do anything productive as a melee martial. I have Karlach in my party on my second playthrough and the most valuable items I've found for her is a returning throwing weapon, a ring that boosts its damage, and a ring that increases her movement speed. Fighter can double monks damage, but that won't matter if fighter cant get close enough to actually use any of it. Monks movement makes it feel so much nicer to play.
Secondly, theres magic stuff everywhere and no attunement cap. Early on theres gloves that give 2 lighting charges each punch, which translates into +1 hit and damage and then theyre consumed at 5 for 1d8. Thats pretty good on a monk. I got that at level three but if I had a better party composition, I could have gotten it at level 2. Theres also gloves that add a d4 fire damage. Theres an amulet that restores ki points. Theres clothes that give me +2 dex and advantage on dex checks. Theres a lot that feels great to have as a monk.
And lastly the Illithid Powers. Different classes can leverage these in more effective ways. Paladin getting one free crit is really good in a smite. I have a cantrip at level 5 that deals 3d6 and heals me the same amount of the target is concentrating because I can make my powers a bonus action and just cast guidance on myself with my action. For monk, psionic overload adding a d4 is really strong because I just get more attacks per round than everyone, and the ability that kills things with less hit points than I have spent tadpoles goes farther. On other characters, I would just run out of nearby targets sometimes and not get to do everything I could have done. As a monk, I have the movement speed and attacks to take out a lot of smaller enemies very quickly that could have worn me down otherwise because I basically treat them as having 10 less hp then they do. Leveraging that on other classes has not felt as easy.
I also just think while monk got better, everyone else got weaker in some ways. Movement and positioning are much bigger concerns, no first level feat makes builds come in line slower, and the DM being a machine means you cant do things like "Scorching ray, did the first two kill? It did? Switching targets for the first." Sometimes I'm committing an extra magic missile or eldritch blast because they might survive on 2 hp and that would be devastating. So I'm missing potential damage if that second beam would kill but the third wouldnt. On top of restricted spell list meaning that casters dont have the answer to everything all the time. I had Shadowheart on my first play through, and she actually felt like the weakest in the party compared to Astarion and Laezel, who I respecced into a dex fighter and gave a bow. I even respecced her to Light cleric because I just needed her to be pulling more weight.
The game introduced ways to play that don't match the tabletop, and monk navigates those differences very well. My opinion might change as I get into later acts, because druid felt a lot stronger in acts 1 and 2 than it did in act 3, but so far, monk has been my favorite martial class in act 1.
I give monks a PB boost to Ki and it helps a lot...
Tavern brawler is absolutely stupid in BG3 in the best way possible. It gives you a +1 to strength plus you get to double your strength mod to hit and to damage. If you have a 20 strength, you're adding 20 extra damage per turn, plus it makes it so hard to not hit. Play a strength monk and absolutely eviscerate everybody. I ended up respec-ing mine because it made everything too trivial, especially when you get hasted, have 3 rogue levels for an extra BA, and use the level 6 feature for another BA. 10 attacks per turn and you're doing hundreds of points of damage.
I love Monks in 5e