Definitely valid pros and cons. I think one thing people may not consider, is that in most states (if not all). As soon as you motorize a vessel, now you have to register that boat and pay the state every year.
One of the biggest cons for me with a motor drive is Oregon, along with many other states require motor drives to be registered. Another expense, hassle and red tape. Great video!
Dude, great response! You brought up some amazing points to consider! The “ready out of the box” reason is solid. If you just want to go and not fuss, pedals are the answer!
That's why I think many of these motor only kayaks have issues as you have to get the set up then you have to get them registered before you can legally use them while in many states a pedal drive you can buy it and put it in the water same day
It took me two days. A total of 9 hours and going to two different DMV’s last week to get my kayak registered. I almost decided it wasn’t worth the time and effort because the first DMV was trying to require me to have insurance, and everything on a checklist large gas powered vessels are required to have to register. (made local news while I was at the first DMV). The second DMV I went to only asked for hull number photo, bill of sale & assessment. So in my experience depending on if a DMV location is familiar with registering kayaks could make registering kayaks a nightmare.
@@mumbles1justin exactly, now if they really wanted to boost sales on these motor only kayaks have the option for them to come pre rigged with your motor of choice and help get it registered if possible
@@imperialwhovian3461 Thats almost BS. In many cases you can register online and print out proof that you are waiting on your sticker...or in person and get the sticker onsite. Even if thats not an option, you can still get wet before the bank closes...just use paddles. Not a terrible idea anyway to get familiar with the boat before going full throttle.
As always a great video. I went with the Hobie Lynx mainly for the lightness of the kayak and the simplicity. I car top it and can easily launch pretty much anywhere. Also, I believe is keeping the body active especially as we age so I enjoy using the pedal drive as a form of exercise.
Same here! I’m 75 and love the Lynx for ease of van top transport and capabilities once I’m out there, from the Great Lakes to inland lakes. I don’t see anything close to it for all that. I’m not into trailering.
The obvious answer is to own all three!!! I have a bow mount kayak as my primary tourney rig, a slightly smaller pedal yak for places I either am not allowed to bring any kind of motor or places where the access is too rough to bring in the bigger boat, and then I have a smaller paddle kayak for tiny creeks, ponds, thick weeds, or extreme remote places.
This exact comment is on point. Although I am going to have at least two motored kayaks (one for me and one for the Misses or a paid guide job) four to eight peddle for my guide and rental business and five paddle for my kids and friends to use on local shallow water.... Along with a hunting job boat, fishing jon boat, fiberglass lake fishing boat, and a family pontoon boat and my jet Jon.... Maybe a couple of aluminum jet boats... I love the old tracker jet boats. All are a business write off for me.
Very interesting video, I live in Ontario Canada and must admit I don't see too many motor driven kayaks so did not know they were increasing in number. I am still old school (paddling a Tarpon 120) but definitely see myself getting a pedal kayak down the road for larger water.
IMO, When your kayak has most of the components of a boat (motor, trailer, etc), it’s no longer a kayak. Unless you like the novelty of being in something that classifies as a kayak, if you want a better performing system, get a 14-16’ aluminum boat with a small 4 stroke and/or quality trolling motor. I have had many paddle and peddle kayaks over the past 15 years and returned to a paddle kayak for the past 2 years. However, I’m close to moving back up to a peddle kayak looking for that sweet spot of a simple but functionally sensible platform for fishing with a balance of handling it on and off the water.
I started kayak fishing in a perception pescador pro 120. Loved being able to fish and get a little exercise at the same time. I’ve since upgraded to an old town 120PDL. I can still get some exercise and have much better control of the boat while fishing. I don’t see myself ever going motorized.
Being an older angler I like the motor to get to and back from my spots on a bigger body of water or tidal current . I use the pedal system for positioning.. I don’t always Plus I don’t always have to bring the motor for spur of the moment trips.
I have a Hobie PA 360/XR. I'm 71. Fishing, I use the pedal fins. But when I want to travel a long distance, I use my Bixpy motor. Installation of the Bixpy is so simple that even I could do it! However, the price of the motor/battery combo and all the adapters was more than SOME kayaks! But for me, retired with unknown future ability to kayak, totally worth it. The one other motor (or feature) I would think could be awesome is spotlock. Roger, The Smiling BassHole
100% agree. You have a setup that planned for future use. Spotlock is nice but an anchor could solve is as well unless in deeper water. Thanks for watching Roger!
I single access rivers and let me tell you that sometimes it is hell getting back to the ramp or to the area you want to fish because of the current and I’m in good shape. I just bought a motor but before that I paddled my kayak . I was thinking about a pedal drive but the only option I felt that was good for a shallow river that wasn’t crazy heavy was the Hobie Outback and I just don’t like the cramped deck on that boat. Also I just know I would bend that drive on a rock.
Thx for the important reminders. Easy to get all caught up in the motor idea and then you have to stop and look at your individual needs. I am easily influenced by all of the motorized options, but at the end of the day it’s all about the pedal. I love the reverse option as well. This is a great video for people who are just getting into the sport and they’re being swayed by some pretty sophisticated sales people.
I’ve got a Big Fish 120 that I use both motorized via a sonar pod mount in front of me, and also motorless just paddling. Considering a pedal drive for a second kayak but I’m not seeing much out there that are also lightweight. Great channel, love your advice and thought process on things. 👍
Like I said on Beardeddadfishing: Having the PDL is great for trolling with a rod in your hand(back peddling is a plus) Like you said!!!Money!!! To each is own. Mine works great for me. Sportsman’s 106 PDL Stern mount: Newport Nk180Pro 3 options: PPM (Paddle shallow , Peddle while fishing , motor for distance) 😎🤙 thanks to you both, great advice for the next Kayak/Angler.
I work with a local kayak shop and they sell sub $1500 paddle and pedal kayaks 5 to 1 over "motorized, serious kayaks". Pedal and paddle not going anywhere.
@@bigguyinalittleboat7927 oh 100% but it's a business that people are buying what they see others. Our business is abou 70% recreational kayaks. But the fishing kayaks definitely pay the bills
I'd like to elaborate on what I feel is your most important point - SIMPLICITY! I inshore fish in the Gulf (FL) about 100 days a year out of a Hobie Outback. I typically launch off a popular causeway with access to the water. I'll pull up, unstrap my kayak from the bed of my Tacoma, pick it up and carry it 15' to the water and then put my seat, drive, rods in. I'm parked and on the water in 2-3 minutes. I see people, very infrequently, with these elaborate motorized rigs pull up and spend 15 minutes getting everything loaded onto their kayaks, connecting carts etc... I mention "very infrequently" intentionally. I don't think it's a lack of people owning them, but rather the amount of effort to launch, clean, maintain and store all the electronics etc... makes for a heavy uplift in effort and time to go fishing resulting in people not using them as frequently as they would a simpler setup. They look great on RUclips videos until you have to deal with all the weight and complexity. My setup is very agile. Further, if I want to use my wheels, it's not hard for me get to harder to reach places off the beaten path by 100 yards or more in a single, easy trip. One more key point for us inshore fisherman.... LOW TIDE. With my Mirage drive and using a flutter stroke or my paddle, I can be out on the lower portion of the tides when these motorized yaks can't. You add all that weight from motors, batteries etc... and all of a sudden you draft deeper and it's a bear to paddle if you need to. Long live the pedal kayak - stay active people!
I have the Old Town Sportsman PDL 120. I am mounting an XI3 on the front soon. I have the idea of having the pedal drive as a backup in case something happens to the motor. Then I have 3 options just in case . Thanks for great information that you always put out. Much appreciated 🙏
I fished for team NU last year out of a NuCanoe unlimited with xi3. The previous season I was fishing out of a Titan 10.5. I can honestly say that having the open deck space is super nice. It makes standing and fishing so much easier. You can literally fish 360 around the kayak in the unlimited with spot lock on. However I have started to miss my pedal drive because of having the option of going out without a motor just being super light and simple and also not being able to really fish my non motor kayak only lakes like I could when I had the Titan.
For me! Paddling has been ok. But it's not always great when trying to fish. When needing to maneuver the boat it can be a trick. Also, even though I have drip rubbers on my paddle. I still get water on me from paddling. It drips all over and you have to watch what you are getting wet. Peddle drive offers the best all around. It's your legs controlling the power forward or reverse instantly. Its virtually hands free for fishing. Maybe it's safe to say E-motors don't normally offer that quick of controls. Some don't even have reverse. I someday might consider an e-motor. Only for the more consistent speed for trolling. Which I don't troll much. But e-motor and all running hardware just gets too heavy. It becomes not simple anymore. If I do get an e-motor it will be likely and inexpensive Minnkota under $100 and rig up separate remote speed control. Most custom-made e-motors for particular brands of kayaks. Most certainly are way overpriced. Even peddle drives are ridiculously priced.
@@thebeardedpaddler Well, I have a Wilderness Radar. I highly doubt their pod drive for this kayak. Will change much price anytime soon. I realize it comes with everything. Drive, Batt, and charger. But such a unit becomes problematic. The batt. is a custom fit mount. Which when one needs to replace it. It's always going to come with that special gold price. Maybe there is a way around it, with a different type of batt. For no more than I really need an e-drive. I just cannot bring myself to invest much money at it. So, far in this point and time. I've seen some minnkota hacks that use the same drive ports. If nicely done. It can look very simple and compact. Maybe a future plan when I feel the need to tinker. Will keep my eye on the price of the e-drives though. See if the pod drive price becomes more practical/ down to earth. But it's Paddle and peddle for now!
Yes Sir thank you for sharing your on this subject, although I have made my decision to tournament fish I would go for the complete motor setup to get me to place to place and then bring me back home. I do like the peddle drive for more socializing adventures places that are tight like rivers and for getting a workout. Great points and when I do start to setup my kayaks I will be giving you a call. Tight lines and take care.
If they had a pedal drive on that new wilderness tac pro it would be head and shoulders above everything else on the market. The instant reverse is huge. Who knows, maybe at icast 2025 they will have that or maybe native will copy that angled bow motor mount and pre-wire everything like wilderness?
I have the old town 120 pdl Im 76 I love it .....I looked at the EPDL its $8000.00 CDN no way I would pay that much for any kayak plus it being so heavy I would need a trailer , my 120 I can easily put in the back of my truck
This is my first season with a pedal drive. I got a Slayer Max 12 and I was a little bit worried when I started seeing all these motorized ready kayaks like the new Bonafide for example. This video hit on all the reasons I purchased the specific kayak that I did. It was good to here. You mention all those reasons to still buy pedal 🎣
In California, once you add a sail or a motor you have to register your kayak as a boat. With that being the case, if the option is to add a motor , you might as well buy an actual boat.
That is really a short-sighted comment. A typical kayak with a troll motor costs an ass-load less than a full on boat, even in Calf. Even if registration is the same...and it is not. Not only that, but the costs and logistics of "an actual boat" are considerably more to deal with. Think it through a little and see it that doesn't start to make sense.
So I find it interesting. 10 years ago when I started kayak fishing the question was paddle or pedal and will paddling become obsolete. I still paddle, enjoy it and can still be relevant in human powered tournaments.
I paddled this week and still do. I also motorize for big water and love it. My passion is rivers and creek fishing so paddling adds to that (for me) Great feedback
True, BUT there are other options that are considerably cheaper. Hobie Passport at $1799 Native propel 10 $2299 There are options but if motors are in the conversation, they can be a huge value
I agree with you. Doomed? No. A little stagnant when it comes to some RUclipsrs thirsty for content? I’d say so. Ie that dude down in FL who flips kayaks for views. Anyhow, the extinction of pedal driven kayaks is like that mindset in the past that our cars would be flying in the future. Pedal kayaks will be here for a long time. At least in some variation. Most folks looking to get into a propulsion kayak are not going to want to put in the money, effort & time into retrofitting a motor in a kayak. Let’s not forget, registration process depending on the state. The more probable case would be to get into a pedal kayak or one with a motor, fitted from the factory, with a warranty, such as OT. Albeit pedal yaks are getting ridiculously pricey, that’s still the more likely scenario. Fortunate enough to own a few kayaks, which all have their specific uses. I actually fish in them, predominantly in saltwater. When I’m out there to de-stress or I come home with a limit of fish for my family, the thought of pedal kayaks are dead never crosses my mind.
I have a cheap bass pro ascend kayak. I bought it a few years ago to primarily get to places off a lake to deer and turkey hunt. This year I have gotten into bass fishing off the kayak way more than ever. Because I want a kayak I can hunt and fish off, after all my research I am thinking that a Nucanoe U10 may be right up my alley at what I’m looking for. Stable enough to haul a deer and gear but has the fishing check list to fish when I’m not hunting. Plus I have a battery and minn kota trolling motor I could slap on it if I’m going a mile or two. I appreciate all your info!
Well brother, you made me feel better, after watching BD’s “Bearded Dad” video he had me thinking I should have gone with a motor setup.. lol Just kidding, but he came out with that video and I’d just bought my pedal drive.. Haven’t even taken it out yet! I pretty sure I like the simplicity of the pedal drive.. More though and go.. Thanks for the video BP!
Good video. An important issue that was not mentioned is that many states require a vessel registration from the DMV once a motor is added to a kayak. That is just one more government annual fee to add to all the others. There will be a requirement of a vessel number affixed to the side of the kayak. If you do not like dealing with a government agency such as the DMV, a motor might not be in your future.
...and that is not necessairly as expensive as we assume. Look it up for your state. Call someone one even. It may not be as much as you think. Here in Texas its definitely not as much as I assume it would be based on other things that are stupid expensive.
I have the old town sportsman 106 , absolutely love it , I looked at the auto drive but I would have to register it as a boat and that's what I don't want , who wants to pay boat fees for a kayak
I've been leaning on the motorized part cause I would like to cover more ground and a buddy of mine had a spot lock in his kayak and to watch him sit in one place or more freely at will and fish I wanted that. I'm only 38 but kind of feel it. And being able to get more places than a boat, being able to reach more places with ease being motorized and being able to spend more time fishing and controlling something with a button kinda got me sold. Pedal drives are really like a paddle and can be something be there like a car when your car gets a flat tire. Dependable. I've taken .y time on getting things for my kayak so I don't over do it. But the one thing with motorizeing your kayak you get some more time fishing and I'm steering in that direction.
I've been researching pedal kayaks but I love the nucanoe unlimited for all the space and swivel seat. I'm leaning toward the hoodoo impulse but I seen stuff about the quality.
Depending on which one you get there are options for assisted living devices for roof topping or if you really want to make it easier look at getting a trailer, I have a trailer for my knarr but I just use a kayak cart when launching and recovering it so I don't worry about waiting at boat ramps
What do you think about ePDL and is that considered motorized when it comes to these non-motorized lakes? Also will other manufacturers start giving that ePDL option more in the future?
Im still on the fence about the EPDL. I dont think it was as popular as Old Town thought it was going to be. I think it would do better if they offered it on the Sportsman series instead of the BigWater 132. To me the EPDL is a better option for the offshore anglers. As for the classification, I havent heard a real definitive answer on that. To me, you dont need a motorcycle endorsement to ride an e-bicycle so I dont know if this is considered a motor since its electric assist. great question
Motors new? Jeff Little was motorized back in 2010 or 2012. And that was with a Torqeedo, a commercially made kayak specific motor. Guys had been rigging trolling motors for ages before that. As for the topic, I don't think anything is finished. Paddle, pedal, and motor all have their times and places. If you are not mechanically or electrically inclined then DIY motors can be quite involved and more costly in both time and money than youtubers let on. Not as much money as factory motorized kayaks, which definitely are cost prohibitive for many. Pedals and good old fashioned paddles will get you where you are going just fine until you feel ready or can afford to tackle a motor.
@@truecrimson1 people have had motors on canoes for many years. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking Mainstream and kayaks being designed to be motorized which is fairly recent in the overall scheme of things
Good points! While there is a place still for pedal drive kayaks, I believe that the electric motor and lithium battery revolution will boost the sale of no frills paddle only yaks! I'm 70 and have been fishing from my 2016 Slayer Propel for the last 8+ years! My limited range and speed to the honey hole prompted me to buy the NK300 last October. Now I'm moving 6 to 6.5 mph instead of 3 to 3.5 mph. I recently relocated the NK300 to a 2018 ATAK 120 that I bought used a few years ago as a backup. Now, with more room in the cockpit due to no intrusive pedal drive, I am enjoying the ATAK 120 with the NK300. I do believe in powering a kayak that paddles well for backup - hence, I have no interest in a PA14 type of barge! Now I love my ATAK 120!!! I covered almost 9 miles this week in Louisiana brackish, inshore fishing, running about 80% power with 33% battery remaining! Power, baby!
does it make sense to peddle and paddle at the same time, so that way you kinda using the peddle drive as a paddle assist option? just curious your thoughts.
Anyone saying pedal drive are not relevant is crazy. The majority of people buy yaks will most likely not buy a motor. Motor are for the people who are deep in the niche. But for recreational BUY a pedal.
I agree, but to each their own. Im not anti anything. I like anything that gets people into kayaking. I will say this, as the technology advances there will be a lot more budget friendly options (and some pricey options) that will get more people into it. Thanks for your feedback!
The kayak industry starting to act like a 3rd world country. Its a low budget paddle or full boar motorized steer and bow. I'm a little behind and trying to pick my first pedal kayak, propel 10. The Ohio Kayak Fishing (OKF) series finale classic is at a paddle lake, one of my favorite lakes.
Without watching your video I'm going to guess the answer is, if you want a pedal drive kayak you should get one...? I don't mean to be a troll but it looks like you are just making videos to make videos. I am bitter, VERY BITTER. I am connected to a foley catheter as I just had prostate surgery, I'm not a freaking happy camper! So far this summer I got out ONE TIME! and there will be no yaking for the rest of this year for me so your damn videos are just pissing me off (for lack of a better term). Just bustin yer balls, I still love your channel!
Definitely valid pros and cons. I think one thing people may not consider, is that in most states (if not all). As soon as you motorize a vessel, now you have to register that boat and pay the state every year.
@@jaxon1174 very true
Unfortunately here in Minnesota, anything 10' or more needs a State license.
Main reason I'm looking at a pedal drive is for the exercise that it gets you. I'd definitely see that as a pro
Absolutely
One of the biggest cons for me with a motor drive is Oregon, along with many other states require motor drives to be registered. Another expense, hassle and red tape. Great video!
Dude, great response! You brought up some amazing points to consider!
The “ready out of the box” reason is solid. If you just want to go and not fuss, pedals are the answer!
Appreciate it bro. I love the innovation right now though.
That's why I think many of these motor only kayaks have issues as you have to get the set up then you have to get them registered before you can legally use them while in many states a pedal drive you can buy it and put it in the water same day
It took me two days. A total of 9 hours and going to two different DMV’s last week to get my kayak registered. I almost decided it wasn’t worth the time and effort because the first DMV was trying to require me to have insurance, and everything on a checklist large gas powered vessels are required to have to register. (made local news while I was at the first DMV). The second DMV I went to only asked for hull number photo, bill of sale & assessment.
So in my experience depending on if a DMV location is familiar with registering kayaks could make registering kayaks a nightmare.
@@mumbles1justin exactly, now if they really wanted to boost sales on these motor only kayaks have the option for them to come pre rigged with your motor of choice and help get it registered if possible
@@imperialwhovian3461 Thats almost BS. In many cases you can register online and print out proof that you are waiting on your sticker...or in person and get the sticker onsite. Even if thats not an option, you can still get wet before the bank closes...just use paddles. Not a terrible idea anyway to get familiar with the boat before going full throttle.
As always a great video. I went with the Hobie Lynx mainly for the lightness of the kayak and the simplicity. I car top it and can easily launch pretty much anywhere. Also, I believe is keeping the body active especially as we age so I enjoy using the pedal drive as a form of exercise.
@@ernestsurman4997 we own a Lynx and love it as well
I bought my Lynx for the same reasons. I am 63 and I cartop my kayak. The Lynx is ideal for this. I also like getting some exercise.
Same here! I’m 75 and love the Lynx for ease of van top transport and capabilities once I’m out there, from the Great Lakes to inland lakes. I don’t see anything close to it for all that. I’m not into trailering.
The obvious answer is to own all three!!!
I have a bow mount kayak as my primary tourney rig, a slightly smaller pedal yak for places I either am not allowed to bring any kind of motor or places where the access is too rough to bring in the bigger boat, and then I have a smaller paddle kayak for tiny creeks, ponds, thick weeds, or extreme remote places.
@@tylersweet3554 same here!
This exact comment is on point. Although I am going to have at least two motored kayaks (one for me and one for the Misses or a paid guide job) four to eight peddle for my guide and rental business and five paddle for my kids and friends to use on local shallow water.... Along with a hunting job boat, fishing jon boat, fiberglass lake fishing boat, and a family pontoon boat and my jet Jon.... Maybe a couple of aluminum jet boats... I love the old tracker jet boats. All are a business write off for me.
Very interesting video, I live in Ontario Canada and must admit I don't see too many motor driven kayaks so did not know they were increasing in number. I am still old school (paddling a Tarpon 120) but definitely see myself getting a pedal kayak down the road for larger water.
Am I the only one that thought a pedal drive video sponsored by a motor battery was a bit funny 😆? Great video Andy 👊😎
Lol
You can have a fish finder on a pedal drive with a lithium battery!
@@thebeardedpaddler Yeah, but not 100ah...point stands
IMO, When your kayak has most of the components of a boat (motor, trailer, etc), it’s no longer a kayak. Unless you like the novelty of being in something that classifies as a kayak, if you want a better performing system, get a 14-16’ aluminum boat with a small 4 stroke and/or quality trolling motor.
I have had many paddle and peddle kayaks over the past 15 years and returned to a paddle kayak for the past 2 years. However, I’m close to moving back up to a peddle kayak looking for that sweet spot of a simple but functionally sensible platform for fishing with a balance of handling it on and off the water.
I started kayak fishing in a perception pescador pro 120. Loved being able to fish and get a little exercise at the same time. I’ve since upgraded to an old town 120PDL. I can still get some exercise and have much better control of the boat while fishing. I don’t see myself ever going motorized.
Absolutely! I've switched back and forth for different reasons. I enjoy both
Being an older angler I like the motor to get to and back from my spots on a bigger body of water or tidal current . I use the pedal system for positioning.. I don’t always Plus I don’t always have to bring the motor for spur of the moment trips.
I like them both for different reasons. But I really like motors for lakes
I have a Hobie PA 360/XR. I'm 71. Fishing, I use the pedal fins. But when I want to travel a long distance, I use my Bixpy motor. Installation of the Bixpy is so simple that even I could do it! However, the price of the motor/battery combo and all the adapters was more than SOME kayaks! But for me, retired with unknown future ability to kayak, totally worth it.
The one other motor (or feature) I would think could be awesome is spotlock.
Roger, The Smiling BassHole
100% agree.
You have a setup that planned for future use. Spotlock is nice but an anchor could solve is as well unless in deeper water.
Thanks for watching Roger!
@@thebeardedpaddler Good to know re Spotlock. I only fish smaller lakes and ponds, and love it!
I single access rivers and let me tell you that sometimes it is hell getting back to the ramp or to the area you want to fish because of the current and I’m in good shape. I just bought a motor but before that I paddled my kayak . I was thinking about a pedal drive but the only option I felt that was good for a shallow river that wasn’t crazy heavy was the Hobie Outback and I just don’t like the cramped deck on that boat. Also I just know I would bend that drive on a rock.
Thx for the important reminders. Easy to get all caught up in the motor idea and then you have to stop and look at your individual needs. I am easily influenced by all of the motorized options, but at the end of the day it’s all about the pedal. I love the reverse option as well. This is a great video for people who are just getting into the sport and they’re being swayed by some pretty sophisticated sales people.
Thank you for watching!
I’ve got a Big Fish 120 that I use both motorized via a sonar pod mount in front of me, and also motorless just paddling. Considering a pedal drive for a second kayak but I’m not seeing much out there that are also lightweight. Great channel, love your advice and thought process on things. 👍
Native propel 10 is pretty light and worth a look. But you're right, most of them will be on the heavy side
Well put sir. Paddle drive all the way. Paddle first- future motor… or not?
Nice hi-lights. Thanks.
Thank you for watching!
Like I said on Beardeddadfishing:
Having the PDL is great for trolling with a rod in your hand(back peddling is a plus) Like you said!!!Money!!!
To each is own. Mine works great for me.
Sportsman’s 106 PDL
Stern mount: Newport Nk180Pro
3 options: PPM (Paddle shallow , Peddle while fishing , motor for distance)
😎🤙 thanks to you both, great advice for the next Kayak/Angler.
@@Flippencz thanks for the feedback
I work with a local kayak shop and they sell sub $1500 paddle and pedal kayaks 5 to 1 over "motorized, serious kayaks". Pedal and paddle not going anywhere.
@@bigguyinalittleboat7927 oh 100% but it's a business that people are buying what they see others. Our business is abou 70% recreational kayaks. But the fishing kayaks definitely pay the bills
I will go with a pedal drive. Because in my state you don't have to register them like a motor drive.
Most states you don't have too. But not all of them unfortunately
I'd like to elaborate on what I feel is your most important point - SIMPLICITY! I inshore fish in the Gulf (FL) about 100 days a year out of a Hobie Outback. I typically launch off a popular causeway with access to the water. I'll pull up, unstrap my kayak from the bed of my Tacoma, pick it up and carry it 15' to the water and then put my seat, drive, rods in. I'm parked and on the water in 2-3 minutes. I see people, very infrequently, with these elaborate motorized rigs pull up and spend 15 minutes getting everything loaded onto their kayaks, connecting carts etc... I mention "very infrequently" intentionally. I don't think it's a lack of people owning them, but rather the amount of effort to launch, clean, maintain and store all the electronics etc... makes for a heavy uplift in effort and time to go fishing resulting in people not using them as frequently as they would a simpler setup. They look great on RUclips videos until you have to deal with all the weight and complexity. My setup is very agile. Further, if I want to use my wheels, it's not hard for me get to harder to reach places off the beaten path by 100 yards or more in a single, easy trip. One more key point for us inshore fisherman.... LOW TIDE. With my Mirage drive and using a flutter stroke or my paddle, I can be out on the lower portion of the tides when these motorized yaks can't. You add all that weight from motors, batteries etc... and all of a sudden you draft deeper and it's a bear to paddle if you need to. Long live the pedal kayak - stay active people!
Great feedback. Thank you
I have the Old Town Sportsman PDL 120. I am mounting an XI3 on the front soon. I have the idea of having the pedal drive as a backup in case something happens to the motor. Then I have 3 options just in case . Thanks for great information that you always put out. Much appreciated 🙏
I fished for team NU last year out of a NuCanoe unlimited with xi3. The previous season I was fishing out of a Titan 10.5. I can honestly say that having the open deck space is super nice. It makes standing and fishing so much easier. You can literally fish 360 around the kayak in the unlimited with spot lock on. However I have started to miss my pedal drive because of having the option of going out without a motor just being super light and simple and also not being able to really fish my non motor kayak only lakes like I could when I had the Titan.
Very true and both are good points
For me! Paddling has been ok. But it's not always great when trying to fish. When needing to maneuver the boat it can be a trick. Also, even though I have drip rubbers on my paddle. I still get water on me from paddling. It drips all over and you have to watch what you are getting wet.
Peddle drive offers the best all around. It's your legs controlling the power forward or reverse instantly. Its virtually hands free for fishing. Maybe it's safe to say E-motors don't normally offer that quick of controls. Some don't even have reverse.
I someday might consider an e-motor. Only for the more consistent speed for trolling. Which I don't troll much. But e-motor and all running hardware just gets too heavy. It becomes not simple anymore. If I do get an e-motor it will be likely and inexpensive Minnkota under $100 and rig up separate remote speed control. Most custom-made e-motors for particular brands of kayaks. Most certainly are way overpriced. Even peddle drives are ridiculously priced.
@@dave8456 you will probably see some options coming out in the future from manufacturers on this now with the blow up in motors
@@thebeardedpaddler Well, I have a Wilderness Radar. I highly doubt their pod drive for this kayak. Will change much price anytime soon. I realize it comes with everything. Drive, Batt, and charger. But such a unit becomes problematic. The batt. is a custom fit mount. Which when one needs to replace it. It's always going to come with that special gold price. Maybe there is a way around it, with a different type of batt. For no more than I really need an e-drive. I just cannot bring myself to invest much money at it. So, far in this point and time. I've seen some minnkota hacks that use the same drive ports. If nicely done. It can look very simple and compact.
Maybe a future plan when I feel the need to tinker. Will keep my eye on the price of the e-drives though. See if the pod drive price becomes more practical/ down to earth.
But it's Paddle and peddle for now!
Yes Sir thank you for sharing your on this subject, although I have made my decision to tournament fish I would go for the complete motor setup to get me to place to place and then bring me back home. I do like the peddle drive for more socializing adventures places that are tight like rivers and for getting a workout. Great points and when I do start to setup my kayaks I will be giving you a call. Tight lines and take care.
If they had a pedal drive on that new wilderness tac pro it would be head and shoulders above everything else on the market. The instant reverse is huge. Who knows, maybe at icast 2025 they will have that or maybe native will copy that angled bow motor mount and pre-wire everything like wilderness?
Well they kinda do in the Recon 120 HD. The Tactical Pro is basically a redesigned Recon with more motorized capability.
@@thebeardedpaddler the features on the tac pro are way ahead of the recon. There is a whole lineup of natives I’d go for over the recon.
I have the old town 120 pdl Im 76 I love it .....I looked at the EPDL its $8000.00 CDN no way I would pay that much for any kayak plus it being so heavy I would need a trailer , my 120 I can easily put in the back of my truck
Yeah the EPDL is nice I'm sure but the value is just not there. I actually appreciate the innovation though
This is my first season with a pedal drive. I got a Slayer Max 12 and I was a little bit worried when I started seeing all these motorized ready kayaks like the new Bonafide for example. This video hit on all the reasons I purchased the specific kayak that I did. It was good to here. You mention all those reasons to still buy pedal 🎣
Glad you like your yak! Great feedback!
In California, once you add a sail or a motor you have to register your kayak as a boat. With that being the case, if the option is to add a motor , you might as well buy an actual boat.
Well, there are advantages and disadvantages to both. Personally I like the functionality and portability a lot better with a kayak
That is really a short-sighted comment. A typical kayak with a troll motor costs an ass-load less than a full on boat, even in Calf. Even if registration is the same...and it is not.
Not only that, but the costs and logistics of "an actual boat" are considerably more to deal with. Think it through a little and see it that doesn't start to make sense.
So I find it interesting. 10 years ago when I started kayak fishing the question was paddle or pedal and will paddling become obsolete. I still paddle, enjoy it and can still be relevant in human powered tournaments.
I paddled this week and still do. I also motorize for big water and love it. My passion is rivers and creek fishing so paddling adds to that (for me)
Great feedback
The cost is definitely another huge factor. Considering you can get into an unlimited with an xi3 and battery for about what a titan x 12 retails for.
True, BUT there are other options that are considerably cheaper.
Hobie Passport at $1799
Native propel 10 $2299
There are options but if motors are in the conversation, they can be a huge value
Really enjoyed the video. I'm just thinking about jumping in and you have answered some of my questions.
I'm glad it helped! Thanks for watching!
I agree with you.
Doomed? No. A little stagnant when it comes to some RUclipsrs thirsty for content? I’d say so. Ie that dude down in FL who flips kayaks for views.
Anyhow, the extinction of pedal driven kayaks is like that mindset in the past that our cars would be flying in the future. Pedal kayaks will be here for a long time. At least in some variation.
Most folks looking to get into a propulsion kayak are not going to want to put in the money, effort & time into retrofitting a motor in a kayak. Let’s not forget, registration process depending on the state. The more probable case would be to get into a pedal kayak or one with a motor, fitted from the factory, with a warranty, such as OT. Albeit pedal yaks are getting ridiculously pricey, that’s still the more likely scenario.
Fortunate enough to own a few kayaks, which all have their specific uses. I actually fish in them, predominantly in saltwater. When I’m out there to de-stress or I come home with a limit of fish for my family, the thought of pedal kayaks are dead never crosses my mind.
Very true and great feedback!
I have a cheap bass pro ascend kayak. I bought it a few years ago to primarily get to places off a lake to deer and turkey hunt. This year I have gotten into bass fishing off the kayak way more than ever. Because I want a kayak I can hunt and fish off, after all my research I am thinking that a Nucanoe U10 may be right up my alley at what I’m looking for. Stable enough to haul a deer and gear but has the fishing check list to fish when I’m not hunting. Plus I have a battery and minn kota trolling motor I could slap on it if I’m going a mile or two. I appreciate all your info!
@@stevehughes694 I love the U10
Well brother, you made me feel better, after watching BD’s “Bearded Dad” video he had me thinking I should have gone with a motor setup.. lol Just kidding, but he came out with that video and I’d just bought my pedal drive.. Haven’t even taken it out yet! I pretty sure I like the simplicity of the pedal drive.. More though and go.. Thanks for the video BP!
You're all good! Enjoy
Good video. An important issue that was not mentioned is that many states require a vessel registration from the DMV once a motor is added to a kayak. That is just one more government annual fee to add to all the others. There will be a requirement of a vessel number affixed to the side of the kayak. If you do not like dealing with a government agency such as the DMV, a motor might not be in your future.
...and that is not necessairly as expensive as we assume. Look it up for your state. Call someone one even. It may not be as much as you think. Here in Texas its definitely not as much as I assume it would be based on other things that are stupid expensive.
I have the old town sportsman 106 , absolutely love it , I looked at the auto drive but I would have to register it as a boat and that's what I don't want , who wants to pay boat fees for a kayak
Completely understand
I'm installing a generator off my pedal drive, to power the motor on my pedal kayak!!
interesting
I've been leaning on the motorized part cause I would like to cover more ground and a buddy of mine had a spot lock in his kayak and to watch him sit in one place or more freely at will and fish I wanted that. I'm only 38 but kind of feel it. And being able to get more places than a boat, being able to reach more places with ease being motorized and being able to spend more time fishing and controlling something with a button kinda got me sold. Pedal drives are really like a paddle and can be something be there like a car when your car gets a flat tire. Dependable. I've taken .y time on getting things for my kayak so I don't over do it. But the one thing with motorizeing your kayak you get some more time fishing and I'm steering in that direction.
I've been researching pedal kayaks but I love the nucanoe unlimited for all the space and swivel seat. I'm leaning toward the hoodoo impulse but I seen stuff about the quality.
Nucanoe is a different zip code for quality than the Hoodoo. Check out the Native and Old Town lineup as well for good pedal drive options
I really want a pedal drive kayak. But they are so heavy that Im just not sure that I want to deal with that.
Not all of them are heavy. Check out thr Hobie Passport or the Native Propel 10
@thebeardedpaddler Yup! I'm about a month away picking up a Propel 10
Depending on which one you get there are options for assisted living devices for roof topping or if you really want to make it easier look at getting a trailer, I have a trailer for my knarr but I just use a kayak cart when launching and recovering it so I don't worry about waiting at boat ramps
@imperialwhovian3461 Yes, I have a Yakattack Tow-n-stow bunkster cart, it will fit in the front haul of the propel 10
The #1reason in my opinion reason is "keeping it simple".
@@kjfishman547 absolutely
What do you think about ePDL and is that considered motorized when it comes to these non-motorized lakes? Also will other manufacturers start giving that ePDL option more in the future?
Im still on the fence about the EPDL. I dont think it was as popular as Old Town thought it was going to be. I think it would do better if they offered it on the Sportsman series instead of the BigWater 132. To me the EPDL is a better option for the offshore anglers.
As for the classification, I havent heard a real definitive answer on that. To me, you dont need a motorcycle endorsement to ride an e-bicycle so I dont know if this is considered a motor since its electric assist.
great question
@@thebeardedpaddler Thank you for your great answer, much appreciated. I totally agree with you on the sportsman, missed opportunity for sure.
Motors new? Jeff Little was motorized back in 2010 or 2012. And that was with a Torqeedo, a commercially made kayak specific motor. Guys had been rigging trolling motors for ages before that.
As for the topic, I don't think anything is finished. Paddle, pedal, and motor all have their times and places. If you are not mechanically or electrically inclined then DIY motors can be quite involved and more costly in both time and money than youtubers let on. Not as much money as factory motorized kayaks, which definitely are cost prohibitive for many. Pedals and good old fashioned paddles will get you where you are going just fine until you feel ready or can afford to tackle a motor.
@@truecrimson1 people have had motors on canoes for many years. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking Mainstream and kayaks being designed to be motorized which is fairly recent in the overall scheme of things
Good points! While there is a place still for pedal drive kayaks, I believe that the electric motor and lithium battery revolution will boost the sale of no frills paddle only yaks! I'm 70 and have been fishing from my 2016 Slayer Propel for the last 8+ years! My limited range and speed to the honey hole prompted me to buy the NK300 last October. Now I'm moving 6 to 6.5 mph instead of 3 to 3.5 mph. I recently relocated the NK300 to a 2018 ATAK 120 that I bought used a few years ago as a backup. Now, with more room in the cockpit due to no intrusive pedal drive, I am enjoying the ATAK 120 with the NK300. I do believe in powering a kayak that paddles well for backup - hence, I have no interest in a PA14 type of barge! Now I love my ATAK 120!!! I covered almost 9 miles this week in Louisiana brackish, inshore fishing, running about 80% power with 33% battery remaining! Power, baby!
That NK300 is the real deal for sure!
I might like paddling more than fishing sometimes. Motoring is not as fun.
@@FrankLadd I get that. It does take some of the experience away at times
Some states require you to register anything that is motorized on the water!!!
@@henrydempsey8786 some states require everything to be registered as well.
If I have a paddle first when my battery dies? Well, I’m good with having a deck to stand on vs trip on due to pedals.
Understand that
does it make sense to peddle and paddle at the same time, so that way you kinda using the peddle drive as a paddle assist option? just curious your thoughts.
Anyone saying pedal drive are not relevant is crazy. The majority of people buy yaks will most likely not buy a motor. Motor are for the people who are deep in the niche. But for recreational BUY a pedal.
I agree, but to each their own. Im not anti anything. I like anything that gets people into kayaking.
I will say this, as the technology advances there will be a lot more budget friendly options (and some pricey options) that will get more people into it.
Thanks for your feedback!
LOL! Backing down on a fish, on your pedal kayak..... common man!~!!
@@Machria23 huh?
Pedal here for the exercise.. but mainly because I can't afford a motorized 😂
Nothing wrong with that. Like most technology, it will become more affordable the longer its out there.
Thank you for watching!
Ya Motor cycles have completed destroyed the bicycle market.
You know, us normal people still think peddle kayakers are “try hards”. Imagine what we think of you when you show up in a motorboat.
Thanks for the comment
Pedal 4 ever.
Copy/Cat business well said. Everything these days is copy/cat business.
@@Patton243 there is what works and what doesn't. Companies are paying attention
The kayak industry starting to act like a 3rd world country. Its a low budget paddle or full boar motorized steer and bow. I'm a little behind and trying to pick my first pedal kayak, propel 10.
The Ohio Kayak Fishing (OKF) series finale classic is at a paddle lake, one of my favorite lakes.
Without watching your video I'm going to guess the answer is, if you want a pedal drive kayak you should get one...? I don't mean to be a troll but it looks like you are just making videos to make videos.
I am bitter, VERY BITTER. I am connected to a foley catheter as I just had prostate surgery, I'm not a freaking happy camper! So far this summer I got out ONE TIME! and there will be no yaking for the rest of this year for me so your damn videos are just pissing me off (for lack of a better term).
Just bustin yer balls, I still love your channel!
What about for short fat guys
@@johngissendanner5836
Plenty of options out there
My 106mk has a throttle. Wanna talk about instant reverse...