@@1rummiiThe guilt of having to kill the child has made Odysseus make choices he normally would have been able to use logic to understand is necessary. For instance, the whole reason he showed mercy to Polymepheus is because he was tired of his hands being stained with blood from those who can no longer fight back (referencing the baby who couldn't fight at all). Not to mention, if he had a baby in tow that he was treating as his own, as his second Telemacheus, dude would have been ruthless with his orders against his men from jump because now they aren't just jeopardizing getting home, they are endangering his new child. Oh, heads would roll if anyone so much as places a finger on the bag of wind. The first half of this song, he does speak on how Polyphemus, Circe, and even himself with his Trojan horse tactic to kill sleeping Trojans, none of them felt guilty for doing what is necessary for each of their goals. Poly for avenging and protecting his flock. Circe for protecting her nymphs. Ody for ending the war and getting his men home. They all did what could be seen as monstrous acts, but their situations required them to be monsters to safeguard everyone. Before being required to kill an infant, Ody understood this innately. He didn't have to reason through emotions, he just did it.
he was forced to do alot of things he didn't want to and now he has nothing to lose to achieve what he wants, in his head he is already the monster, there's no turning back
Don't get me wrong, the Circe saga is phenomenal, but all I can think of is how we're one step closer to getting this MASTERPIECE in the Underworld Saga
Omg is this the Tiresias prophecy scene where Odysseus has to literally confront all his ghosts and everything he lost?? I love how you paired that with this song - it’s such an emotional scene and Odysseus having his pride and cockiness totally broken down by it is devastating. The progression from “I’m just a man” to “im a monster” is just UGHH. And the parallels to that animatic in this one is UGHHH. Wolfy you’re so awesome. Happy birthday!
The use of such drastic angles to signify the height of the wall and Odysseus feelings from back then is masterful; it makes the hight feel so much greater- and the weight of his actions is amplified as the angle would have been the infants view. Phenomenal job on all the mist-like movement, I can't imagine how hard it is to do something like that while also making it seem thick enough for him to have to claw through it. Knocked it out of the park again.
it is part of the underworld saga according to the tracklist! the next saga is Ocean saga, then after that Circe saga, and then finally Underworld saga@@peach_heartsss6318
I really like this take. Most other interpretations I see show Odysseus as being cold and callous, but the way you animated it almost makes it look like he's making a sacrifice, taking up a burden in his mind.
Omg I LOVE how this design of Odysseus is so much more sharp and angled than your usual depiction of him, it really hammers home the MONSTER feel and gives it a more villainous vibe but it’s also so tragic because you’ve so perfectly shown how desperate he is to get home! Chefs kiss!!!🤩
This is absolutely beautiful! I loved how you showed Odysseus crying when he admits that he would drop another child off of the wall to protect him and his loved ones shows how he's become the thing he tried so hard not to be. Amazing animatic as always. Also happy birthday!🎂
This is so incredible. I love the look in his eyes when he admits he'd drop another infant, a thing he'd so struggled with. He's crying and he's terrified at what he's willing to do, but at the same time he's lost so much he's determined to save what he has left and meet his family. I also love that what he left for the war Telemachus had been a baby, but now Odysseus imagines him as the boy he should be, even though he doesn't know his face. He stares at Penelope's face, remembering her, but then he stared at Telemachus's, imagining how he's grown. It's such a neat detail that they're both faceless, that everyone is faceless
He could have at least left the baby in the wilderness. It's not the first time nature or real life had human infants adapt to nature. And he's cunning enough to pull that off. To fake a baby's death. The only reason Poseindon began going after him was because he was arrogant, and boasted about his true identity as he left the Cyclop's island. In other words...It's his own fault he turned out like this. He had at least two chances to change his ways. Three, if we count with his neglect of the wind sack, allowing his men to open it and delay his return.
@@JabamiLainDude. Zeus already said that the Gods will KNOW and will let the child know if he drops it off somewhere. They can see and do everything. It wasn't his fault, he literally was forced to choose and decide whether to risk his family's life or not. The blood would be spilled either way, that has been decided. That was the will of the Gods. Basically fate. I would hate to be in that position but it's not him that's guilty but those who made him choose in the first place. I would do anything for my family - including killing others, innocent or not if it meant saving their lives, but i don't want to do that and it would be a really awful situation. He is relatable to many people because many would do horrible things to keep those we love safe. We owe them much more than strangers, so even risking their lives is not always a good option, and here he really didn't have much choice.
you are so insanely talented! i love how Odysseus looks towards his dead mother off screen unlike the other two ghosts that do appear on screen. i interpret it as Odysseus ignroing his grief like he does in the text, immediately moving on from his mother's ghost instead of truly mourning her. this may not be what you intended but its how i view it😅 your art is so amazing!
Seeing Odysseus cry as the mist approached him and the misty figure reaching it's hands to Odysseus, but he can't lean on it and just falls to his knees... yeah, that got to me fantastical work, thank you
Ok, so this amazing animatic finally made me realise the genius of Tiresias’ self-fulfilling prophecy. Be warned: This will be long. And contain SPOLIERS for the original Odyssey, making reference to the other songs as evidence for my theory (though, bear in mind that this is just me and my red string board, so feel free to ignore me if all of this is proven entirely wrong). - “I see a man that gets to make it home alive, but it’s no longer you.” This is (currently) the last line in the snippet of Tiresias’ prophecy song. Odysseus likely takes it as: ‘there was a future where you got home, but that’s gone now’. Because of this line, he then sings this song, Monster, about throwing away his humanity to get him AND his men home at any costs. But my interpretation is ‘I see you get home, but you’re a fundamentally changed man from whom you are now.’ The tragedy is that, by embracing ruthlessness, when he faces Scylla, he sails away as fast as possible from the conflict, leading to him losing (according to the Odyssey, I think) 6 of his men. Eurylochus then mutinies him for this, as he realises that he’d sacrifice crewmen to get himself home - another thing that Tiresias prophesises: - “I see portrayals of betrayals and a brother’s final stand.” In the original text, the blind prophet also instructed Odysseus that under no circumstances should they eat Helios’ golden cows on this specific island. After the mutiny in Epic, likely following Eurylochus’ lead, the crew are going to do just that to hold off starvation when stranded on said island, as showing in Zeus’s line in Thunder-Bringer, ‘Since hunger was far too great’. Whether Odysseus does or doesn’t then try to take their place in punishment afterwards, I cannot say, but in the end, everyone but Odysseus dies and (according to the text) he spends 7 years on Calypso’s Island. All this is to say that, due to that damning interpretation of Tiresias’s words in the underworld, when haunted by the cries of the dead crew that trusted him to get them all home (and likely the ghost of Polites, because he sings ‘What if I’m the one that killed you’ in Monster), he embraced the worst of himself to save himself and his crew future heartache. Except his ruthlessness led to sacrifices that led to them losing faith, which likely stopped them from listening to him when warning them against eating the golden cows, eventually getting them obliterated by Zeus and him marooned. The sad part was that, in the book, had they not eaten the cows, I think the prophecy foretold them all getting home smoothly. He changed to break the prophecy, but walked straight into it instead. As I said: self-fulfilling. And that is why I LOVE the ghost of Tiresias at the end of the animatic! Beautifully done!
OK, I couldn’t get this out of my head. This essay is a PART 2 to the original comment. This is going to be ridiculously long.😅 And thank you for everyone that liked the original!!! Again, I want to emphasise that these are JUST MY OPINIONS and, as I wrote in my previous comment, these predictions could all be proved wrong with the release of full songs in the future, or clash with your own head cannons and interpretations, so take what I say with a pinch of salt. . . Ruthlessness in Epic: The Musical One of the common negative comments I see around the messaging around Epic is related to the theme of ruthlessness and how it appears to be a blanket endorsement of it to get what you want. This is best articulated in Poseidon’s introduction song, the aptly named Ruthlessness. Though I want to expressly clarify that these are just my opinions and interpretations, I feel confident enough in my reading of the released lyrics up to this date (26/11/23) to give my take on how ruthlessness may be being explored in Epic as a slow progression of theme, and will try to bring some order to the existing collection of snippets. Over the course of Epic, there are several dichotomies that are explore, namely the themes of pacifism and ruthlessness (represented by Polites and Poseidon respectively), and the ideals of being ‘just a man’ vs becoming ‘the monster’. At first listen, it appears that the narrative is advocating for ruthlessness above all else, because in the first act, the characters that display ruthless tendencies (at least initially) appear to succeed where Odysseus fails. They protect what is theirs or get the vengeance they desire. That is, until he starts taking the initiative to be ruthless back. For instance, the narrative argues in the Cyclops and Ocean Saga that, had he not spared Polyphemus after blinding him, he and his crew could have sailed home without consequence, because Polyphemus’ father, Poseidon, wouldn’t have known whom to hunt down. Similarly, a sorceress, named Circe, turned his crew into pigs pre-emptively, because it’s hinted that she’d allowed strangers onto her island in with far less caution in the past, which led to ‘a heavy cost’ - the loss of many of her beloved nymphs. (With the parallels of a leader faced with an unknown threat to those that rely upon them, this latter example could be illustrative of a lesson Odysseus needs to learn in order to protect his own crew). However, I believe that this championing of ruthlessness is also a cautionary tale. Returning to the Cyclops, was it a lack of ruthlessness that got Odysseus’ crew killed, or that classic Greek flaw of hubris and arrogance? If anything, I feel that ruthlessness caused this whole ordeal in the first place. In Polyphemus’ opening song, we see Odysseus unwittingly kill the cyclops’ ‘favourite sheep’, but we then see him owning up to his actions and endeavouring to make amends. It’s Polyphemus’ decision to take vengeance that leads the humans to take violent action in return, because according to the lyrics to Remember Them, Polyphemus had trapped the crewmen inside of the cave with his massive body when he succumbed to a sedative, covering the cave opening. As such, Odysseus had to incapacitate the Polyphemus enough to leave him at a disadvantage when he awoke, but capable enough to move out of the way and set them all free as well. (I believe that the original text of the Odyssey had the cave opening being covered by a boulder that only the cyclops could move, but the result is the same is essentially the end). Had the cyclops taken the offering, everyone would have walked away alive and unharmed. Even if Polyphemus didn’t take the route of total forgiveness and asked for more than just the wine as compensation, as is understandable as he is the injured party in this matter, it could have been a teaching moment for Odysseus and others. More specifically, Polites, whom is the light of pure optimism with his moto of ‘Greet the world with open arms’, could have learned the value of caution, since in the Polyphemus’ song, he sees the bounty of food and immediately assumes that they get to keep it without questioning why it’s there - “I can't believe this cave has all this for us to keep”. In contrast, Odysseus could have seen the value in a moderate amount of good faith, since the winnions did in fact lead him to food, but still be reaffirmed in his philosophy of not extending unconditional trust to strangers, as illustrated in his lines ‘It's almost too perfect, too good to be true. Why would the lotus eaters pass up on all this food?’ showing how he’s excited but not without due suspicion or caution - the kind of caution that Odysseus later shows in spiking the wine with lotus. This is also present in the aforementioned sorcery that Circe performs on the crew. Though it was extreme on Circe’s part and required divine intervention for Odysseus to get them back, it was a non-lethal spell. In her own words, ‘if you make one wrong move then you’re done for’. She very well could have killed them outright but she didn’t. Even if it was terribly slim and probably unintentional, she still left them - or rather Odysseus - with a chance to retrieve them. . . . the essay was too long, so wait part 3.
PART 3 . . From one demonstration of ruthlessness choices made and not made, we come to the embodiment of ‘ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves’ - the ocean god, Poseidon, himself. This divine being reprimands Odysseus particularly harshly, because Odysseus’ actions clash with his philosophy that the way to deal with enemies is to wipe them out so that they can’t come back for revenge later. He sees this human’s compassion as a fundamental weakness and thus uses the drowning of over 500 of the crew to hammer home his own philosophy on dealing with foes - the idea that, ‘you totally could have avoided all this had you just killed my son. But no.’ Firstly, I want to recognise that his son was mutilated, so he too is an individual negatively affected by Odysseus’ actions. In the absence of the boulder to move, Odysseus technically only needed to get Polyphemus to move out of the way, but the Cyclops also proclaims his intentions to kill all 600 of his men, so Odysseus’ actions aren’t without necessity. (Though he could have stabbed a leg to slow the cyclops down as they ran, but then Polyphemus could have seen and pointed to the crewmen in the cave when the other cyclopes arrived, so the blinding was narratively necessary… But that is nitpicking a world-renowned 3-thousand-year-old poem, so let’s end this though-experiment here). What I mean to say is that Poseidon has a reason to seek vengeance upon Odysseus just as much as Odysseus had motivation to blind Poseidon’s son, but I as you this: what does ruthlessness get Poseidon in the long run? In Get in the Water, we hear this plea from Odysseus: - “Aren't you tired, Poseidon? It's been 8 years, how long will this go? We're both hurting from losses So why not leave this here and just go home?” This brings me back to the second of my original two dichotomies: man vs monster. In my previous comment, I explored the tragedy of Tiresias’ self-fulling prophecy and the negative character arch it leads Odysseus down, but something occurred to me later. Tiresias says ‘a man who gets to make it home alive’. A man. Not a monster. The next song after Monster, the last in Act One, is about Odysseus’ transformation into a monster so he might defeat his own destiny and get them all home; however, this just leads to him losing everything anyway. Let us compare the lyric of Monster to those in Eurylochus’ mutiny. Odysseus goes from: “Would it keep our foes at bay? If I became the monster to everyone but us,” and “And if I gotta drop another infant from a wall in an instant so we all don't die,” to Eurylochus exclaiming “You miss your wife so bad you trade the lives of your own crew”. Odysseys became a monster for the sake of his crew, but ended up being the monster that his crew feared the most. And it’s this commitment to ruthlessness that is to blame; this fixation on a single goal to the detriment of everything else. In the spirit of how ancient Greeks loved their fatal flaws, my idea is this: Poseidon is the embodiment of ruthlessness and thus appears to have no enemies because of this, but he’s also unable to grow or change or feel for anyone but himself. Think back to the Get in the Water lyrics. It’s been nearly a decade and, in that time, Odyeesus has lost his best friend, his mentor, his mother, his blood brother, his whole crew, and then spent a decent number of years (if we go by the original text, 7 years) marooned on an island, meaning he lost the best years of his son’s youth and the same number of years with his one true love, his wife. Essentially, Poseidon has taken everything of meaning from him. If he were going by the rules of ruthlessness, he should be plotting to take Poseidon on so he can protect what he has left, but he’s been down that route. He’s been a pure monster and it lead him to ruination. In this song, he appeals to Poseidon as a man. Perhaps, even as a father. He recognises the grief they both share. In these lyrics at least, he sounds like he’s past anger and just wants to go home. In contrast, Poseidon isn’t. In his dedication to pure ruthlessness, he’s stagnated in time, stewing in his resentment and vengeance, which leads us to the song 600 Strikes, in which Poseidon is presumably trying to drown Odysseus and Odysseus is steadfast in his determination to survive. Here, our protagonist is likely displaying his established propensity for ruthlessness (though with the limited lyrics, it’s more of an educated guess). This is, what I believe at least, to be one demonstration of the point of this whole narrative so far; that there’s a balance to ruthlessness, a spectrum. Just as there is a balance to optimism and compassion. Living only by ruthlessness likely leave Poseidon a bitter, hateful being, not as angry about the blinding of his son as the perceived slight by Odysseus has dealt him by continuing to die despite his efforts to kills him, as shown in this line: - “I've got a reputation I've got a name to uphold So I can't go letting you walk or else the world forgets I'm cold” On the other hand, for all the good he meant by it and goodness that can be derived from his point of view, Polites’ unconditional positivity blinded him to dangers that were obvious to everyone else but him. Odysseus needed to not only see, but feel what it was like to be both of those extremes to discover his own balance. That’s why he’s willing to appeal to this hateful god, whose been blinded his own pride and ruthlessness, but when faced with 108 murderous suitors, he doesn’t bargain or negotiate. He kills them. In fact, had Odysseus abandoned ruthlessness entirely in the aftermath of becoming a monster, he wouldn’t have made it home to reunite with his hunted sun and save his wife, and by extension his kingdom, from an unthinkable fate. This all reminds me of the saying: you can turn a civilian into a soldier, but it’s harder to turn a soldier into a civilian. After the war, Odysseys has to deal with what he’s endured and reckon with what he’s done. He’s got to take what war has taught him, whilst not sinking into the worst of what war, fear and hate can do to a person. He begins as just a man, throws that humanity away to become a monster, before learning the value of that humanity and empathy, so that when he returns to Ithica, he is, as Tiresias predicted, no longer the man that he was when he left, but a man nonetheless - the man who gets to make it home alive. . . . . ✨ If you made it to the end, well done! You're braver than I am!✨
@@kristinahughes2668 read both parts, amazing take, genuinely well-written and engaging. I won't get into it rn, but I agree with the idea that Epic is an exploration of ruthlessness rather than a cookie-cutter endorsement of ruthlessness or mercy.
The image of Tiresias at the end is just so good. as this is the part odyssey start to become someone else, starting the to fufil the the line in the prophecy. "A man who makes it home but its no longer You"
When Wolfe uploads, I come speeding through Edit: Your depiction + design of Odysseus + Athena are my absolute favourites. I love how you make Odysseus’ desperation so clear and capture how close he is to snapping but also how much he just craves to go back to his family. I love the little details you include, especially when Odysseus bends down to peer at the face of (the faceless) Telemachus. He holds him with such love and tenderness. You just capture emotion so well! That, and your composition + the way scenes flow in your animatics are always so impressive. I adore your art Wolfy!
This is gorgeous. You really put a lot of thought into character designs, emotions, settings, compositions, everything! Just like Jorge’s songs, you make everything intentional, and it’s stunning. Truly, well done. Also, Happy Birthday! 🎉🥳
This is amazing!! The ghosts/flashbacks were gorgeous. The images of Patroclus, Penelope, Telemachus, Athena Tiresias...**chef's kiss** Also Happy Birthday, Wolfie.🎉🎉🎉
Your art omgawd its so impressive my mind is blow away i love seeing the animatics. And omg the blind Phrophet at the end and how he said Odysseus would change and everything ahhh. Your attention to detail is missive I love it and I love rewatching the animatics.
Oh, my gosh, since n o o n e else seems to be talking about it, I just want to say how much it hurts to see the sheer sorror on his face at the part of "I lost my mom". Like, he looks so, so s a d, and the way he reaches out, his body kinda deflating? I feel so bad for the dude I feel like it's not given enough thought by people that not only did he miss his child growing up, spending a life with his wife, and all 600 of his men, but his mom who by this point he hadn't seen in, what, 13 years? He was barely a man in his 20s when he left for war. He didn't even find out she died until he saw her ghost in the Underworld!
@@aviniciussouza100 I've actually thought about that before, cause imagine, 600 go to war and only 1 comes back after 20 years. Imagine the sorrow the entire kingdoms felt. Of course, Odysseus isn't the only one with people waiting for him, I never meant to suggest otherwise! 600 people with family and friends and lovers. All to never be seen again. Makes me really wish there was an epilogue to the Odyssey, so we can see the aftermath of Odysseus's return and the tragedy that followed in suit. The kingdom probably didn't recover from the losses years and years.
He could have at least left the baby in the wilderness. It's not the first time nature or real life had human infants adapt to nature. And he's cunning enough to pull that off. To fake a baby's death. The only reason Poseindon began going after him was because he was arrogant, and boasted about his true identity as he left the Cyclop's island. In other words...It's his own fault he turned out like this. He had at least two chances to change his ways. Three, if we count with his neglect of the wind sack, allowing his men to open it and delay his return.
Oh-- yeah! I know all about Odysseus and his entire journey and why it happened I'm very hip to my Greek mythology :) Poseidon still is not a nice god like he's truly an a-hole.
Zeus was watching him during the whole moment where he ended prince hector's child (in EPIC). Zeus even said that if you do not listen to me I will let him know as he grows older to hunt you down and your family.
You have been my biggest inspiration ever since your channel was called a channelwithoutaname and can I just say I am DEEPLY in love with the way you portrait each and every story and characters, its beautiful and your artstyle is breathtaking, I hope you continue to mesmerize this world
Odysseus at the end of the Trojan war: no, you can’t order me to kill this infant, there must be another way! Odysseus near the end of the odyssey: I would drop babies off a cliff if it would make this boat go faster (You captured his desperation and resolve so well!!! Love this)
OHMIGOD again what an AMAZING animatic that just takes the lyrics and brings it to a whole new level! i love where we see each person he mentions, i lovelovelove the moment where the mist goes around him and he cries and the tear becomes part of the mist, i love how at the end we see the seer! it's so great !!
This is great. I love the intensity and mood in every panel, it’s all quite perfect and the last shot of the prophet before it ends as he sees Odysseus’s resolve is chilling.
Aughhh I love it so much!! This turning point is so crazy for his character and you portrayed that so well. Put him right on that wall again with a different thought of mind.
RRRGH THIS MAKES ME SO EMOTIONAL AAA. THE FUCKIN. THE FLASHBACK TO HIM LOOKING DOWN AT THE BABY. THE. THE SAD LOOK AT THE END FROM TIRESIAS. THE SHADOW OF POSEIDON. DEVASTATING
Sorry this is such a small thing, but I'm a huge VFX animation fan, and I love the visuals in this. The way the wisps of fog just flow over his shoulders is so well executed, even in this animatic format with no inbetweens you managed to make it flow so smoothly, it actually gives me shivers in the best way. Seriously the weight of it, both emotionally and physicaly as you see the way Odysseus pushes threw it, it moves with him and flows over him, it's fantastic. Tremendous work great job.
I wonder what his reaction will be to Athena coming to disguise him on his way back to Ithaca, considering how they left off and how the last time a God appeared to him when he finally got back the first time turned out. Will he apologize and thank her, or will he be angry at her, assuming that she has more shit for him to go through before he can go home. Not really much to do with this specific video, but something I had been wondering for a while now.
SO FUCKING IN LOVE WITH THAT ONE oh my god?? The cinematography is insanely creative and so damn dynamic, the way your art is fits and enhances the drama of the song!! Not to mention but your style especially in this animatic gives SUCH strong 2D Disney in the 2000s vibes and I absolutely LOVE it
Just admiring how you drew Odysseus’ profile and the movement of the fog ❤ Also, the way you drew Odysseus following the beat as he climbed up the ship? Flawless and satisfying!
Your interpretations of this musical are OTHERWORLDLY. Every time I watch an EPIC animatic from you, I literally cannot look away from the screen. Your flow and framing is immaculate, and I absolutely adore your character design choices and the way you illustrate all this deep emotion. Wonderful work, rock on man!
i can't stop thinking about that one shot here of Odysseus holding Astyanax - he's supporting the baby's head. such a little detail, but. this man is a father. he knows how to hold a baby. idk why it hits me so hard every time but it does
What really got me with Wolfys animations is the importance of detail, or lack of. Especially as Odysseus says “Then we’ll make it home” - he isn’t just trying to get home alone now, he’s carrying all 600 men with him back to Ithaca. There is no one left to remember them and their endings but him.
Odysseus has been the man who strives for mercy .. Now the man is gone and left in it’s place is the monster. @WolfyTheWitch you continue to have us in awe! 🤗👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Phenomenal as always, Wolfy! Such a great animatic. Such emotion in Jay's voice, and it translates so well here. I got chills from the call backs and ghosts. I can't wait for Christmas to come!
omgee the amount of perspectives, I can sense ur wrist hurting from my screen!!!!! im speechless bcus this is amazing, also I like odysseus’ sharp hair!
I think I've seen this like, 9 times since you've posed it form on the various social medias and I keep coming back to it. I love it. What is crack cocaine in comaprison. This is art. I need it injected directly into my bloodstream.
From the years of watching animatics and animations, yours is the one I feel is the best of the best when it comes to facial expressions and emotion, keep up the good work, for I like what I see.
Perfect, i loved that telemachus still a child in ody pespective, makes sense with the fact that he dosen't now how much time has pass, is a cool detail
To be honest..I can’t blame him, I mean. I can..BUT. He literally told us his reasons in the song, he lost his best friend, his mom, his own mentor and his men. That can cause someone to probably go insane, PLUS. He was forced to kill a baby and go to war sooooo..(not saying I support his actions, however I do understand his reasons)
I’m to amazed every time you post these animations. Your truly an inspiration for mythology/ history nerds and artist alike. Every little detail gives me chills. Keep up the absolutely amazing work
I love how you have the ghosts of polites show up and him continuing to reach out but can't. He lost them and now he's lost. You have shown poseidon over the boat indicating he's towering over Odysseus given he's a god. You made that flashback to when he killed the baby. The intent is clear there. Odysseus realizes that life is a horse and the infant scenario. With every choice you make, someone will have to pay the price. The blood on his hands will always be there but he has to chose whose blood he wants to spill. Since he decided to be the monster, he chose the worlds blood. The animatic ends with a image of tiersias. Its a call back to when he said that he sees a man who gets back home and its no longer Odysseus. The song is the reason why. Before, Odysseus accept the ideology of polites where he shows kindness. Now he accepts the philosophy of poseidon where ruthlessness is mercy for himself. Hes no longer the man we see from the beginning. Hes a monster
I normally don’t comment on videos, but I just wanted to note that your work is amazing!! The usage of anatomy, the expressions of Odysseus, and effects are so immersive that I have found myself to just loop play all your EPIC animatics for the past couple of weeks^^;; Keep up the *Epic* work and Happy Birthday!!
He could have at least left the baby in the wilderness. It's not the first time nature or real life had human infants adapt to nature. And he's cunning enough to pull that off. To fake a baby's death. The only reason Poseindon began going after him was because he was arrogant, and boasted about his true identity as he left the Cyclop's island. In other words...It's his own fault he turned out like this. He had at least two chances to change his ways. Three, if we count with his neglect of the wind sack, allowing his men to open it and delay his return.
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Odysseus has had odyssenough
he’s reached his breaking point 😔😔
He's Odysseen some sh*t
Odyssenough is a hilarious word xD
His Odyssoul has left the chat. XDDD
How does it feel to be the funniest person rn
the fact that he says that he’d throw a child off a wall versus when he literally begged zeus to let him choose another choice
The next nice thing he did got him thoroughly chewed out by his mentor and hundreds of men killed
The part that makes this even more depressing is if Zeus did let him keep Hectors son, a lot of what has happened wouldn't have happened.
@@RazielTheUnbornWait what would've happened? I only read what happens when his illegitimate son with Circe kills him
@@1rummiiThe guilt of having to kill the child has made Odysseus make choices he normally would have been able to use logic to understand is necessary. For instance, the whole reason he showed mercy to Polymepheus is because he was tired of his hands being stained with blood from those who can no longer fight back (referencing the baby who couldn't fight at all).
Not to mention, if he had a baby in tow that he was treating as his own, as his second Telemacheus, dude would have been ruthless with his orders against his men from jump because now they aren't just jeopardizing getting home, they are endangering his new child. Oh, heads would roll if anyone so much as places a finger on the bag of wind.
The first half of this song, he does speak on how Polyphemus, Circe, and even himself with his Trojan horse tactic to kill sleeping Trojans, none of them felt guilty for doing what is necessary for each of their goals. Poly for avenging and protecting his flock. Circe for protecting her nymphs. Ody for ending the war and getting his men home. They all did what could be seen as monstrous acts, but their situations required them to be monsters to safeguard everyone. Before being required to kill an infant, Ody understood this innately. He didn't have to reason through emotions, he just did it.
he was forced to do alot of things he didn't want to and now he has nothing to lose to achieve what he wants, in his head he is already the monster, there's no turning back
TIRESIAS AT THE END-
“I’ll become the monster”
“No longer you”
OH MY GOSH
By throwing away humanity, Odysseus proved the Prophet’s words true.
You should feel IMMENSELY proud of yourself for these animatics they're INCREDIBLE
The gold standard of epic animatics
Don't get me wrong, the Circe saga is phenomenal, but all I can think of is how we're one step closer to getting this MASTERPIECE in the Underworld Saga
I KNOWW
Happy Day, the Underworld Saga was released today :)
“And if i have to drop another infant from a wall in a instance so we all don’t *die?“*
That line got me
OMG, HOW DID I NOT HEAR THIS LINE?! This is... It hurts! It f*cking hurts!
Omg is this the Tiresias prophecy scene where Odysseus has to literally confront all his ghosts and everything he lost?? I love how you paired that with this song - it’s such an emotional scene and Odysseus having his pride and cockiness totally broken down by it is devastating. The progression from “I’m just a man” to “im a monster” is just UGHH. And the parallels to that animatic in this one is UGHHH. Wolfy you’re so awesome. Happy birthday!
"When does a man become a monster" be hittin DIFFERENT
@@Icepiq72 the answer is, right now.
The use of such drastic angles to signify the height of the wall and Odysseus feelings from back then is masterful; it makes the hight feel so much greater- and the weight of his actions is amplified as the angle would have been the infants view.
Phenomenal job on all the mist-like movement, I can't imagine how hard it is to do something like that while also making it seem thick enough for him to have to claw through it.
Knocked it out of the park again.
haha yeah! it isn't super obvious but i wanted the mist to be as if the ghosts are trying to stop him
OH MY GODS THE AMOUNT PERSPECTIVES AND EMOTION IN THIS ANIMATIC IS INSANE WHAT?!
When the official track drops, will you be doing a full version?
Because this is phenomenal
dunno!
If this is part of the oceans saga then December 25th if not TBA
@@WolfyTheWitch Spoken like a true artist
@@kathrynblakeley9823I don’t think it is, I think it’s part of a later saga (maybe the underworld saga? idk)
it is part of the underworld saga according to the tracklist! the next saga is Ocean saga, then after that Circe saga, and then finally Underworld saga@@peach_heartsss6318
I really like this take. Most other interpretations I see show Odysseus as being cold and callous, but the way you animated it almost makes it look like he's making a sacrifice, taking up a burden in his mind.
Tiresias, wondering why some commander is trauma dumping to him:
It's cause you traumatized an already traumatized man, dude.
Omg I LOVE how this design of Odysseus is so much more sharp and angled than your usual depiction of him, it really hammers home the MONSTER feel and gives it a more villainous vibe but it’s also so tragic because you’ve so perfectly shown how desperate he is to get home! Chefs kiss!!!🤩
This is absolutely beautiful! I loved how you showed Odysseus crying when he admits that he would drop another child off of the wall to protect him and his loved ones shows how he's become the thing he tried so hard not to be. Amazing animatic as always. Also happy birthday!🎂
This sounds as if "throw a child off a wall" was a common saying. Could we please make this happen?!
This is so incredible. I love the look in his eyes when he admits he'd drop another infant, a thing he'd so struggled with. He's crying and he's terrified at what he's willing to do, but at the same time he's lost so much he's determined to save what he has left and meet his family.
I also love that what he left for the war Telemachus had been a baby, but now Odysseus imagines him as the boy he should be, even though he doesn't know his face. He stares at Penelope's face, remembering her, but then he stared at Telemachus's, imagining how he's grown. It's such a neat detail that they're both faceless, that everyone is faceless
He could have at least left the baby in the wilderness. It's not the first time nature or real life had human infants adapt to nature. And he's cunning enough to pull that off. To fake a baby's death.
The only reason Poseindon began going after him was because he was arrogant, and boasted about his true identity as he left the Cyclop's island.
In other words...It's his own fault he turned out like this. He had at least two chances to change his ways. Three, if we count with his neglect of the wind sack, allowing his men to open it and delay his return.
@@JabamiLainDude. Zeus already said that the Gods will KNOW and will let the child know if he drops it off somewhere. They can see and do everything. It wasn't his fault, he literally was forced to choose and decide whether to risk his family's life or not. The blood would be spilled either way, that has been decided. That was the will of the Gods. Basically fate.
I would hate to be in that position but it's not him that's guilty but those who made him choose in the first place. I would do anything for my family - including killing others, innocent or not if it meant saving their lives, but i don't want to do that and it would be a really awful situation. He is relatable to many people because many would do horrible things to keep those we love safe. We owe them much more than strangers, so even risking their lives is not always a good option, and here he really didn't have much choice.
Oedipus' dad had the same thought when he heard the prophecy about his infant son, and look how he ended up
IT IS THE WILL OF THE GODS @@JabamiLain
POV: You have a group project but everyone just expects you to do it so you make it god awful and don't go in the day you present
watching this after official underworld saga release - my heart.. this is so good
bro ive got no words this is gorgeous, that turning sequence at the beginning is so cool
The “my goodbye” callbacks are so cool!
you are so insanely talented!
i love how Odysseus looks towards his dead mother off screen unlike the other two ghosts that do appear on screen. i interpret it as Odysseus ignroing his grief like he does in the text, immediately moving on from his mother's ghost instead of truly mourning her.
this may not be what you intended but its how i view it😅 your art is so amazing!
Seeing Odysseus cry as the mist approached him and the misty figure reaching it's hands to Odysseus, but he can't lean on it and just falls to his knees... yeah, that got to me
fantastical work, thank you
Ok, so this amazing animatic finally made me realise the genius of Tiresias’ self-fulfilling prophecy.
Be warned: This will be long. And contain SPOLIERS for the original Odyssey, making reference to the other songs as evidence for my theory (though, bear in mind that this is just me and my red string board, so feel free to ignore me if all of this is proven entirely wrong).
- “I see a man that gets to make it home alive, but it’s no longer you.”
This is (currently) the last line in the snippet of Tiresias’ prophecy song. Odysseus likely takes it as: ‘there was a future where you got home, but that’s gone now’. Because of this line, he then sings this song, Monster, about throwing away his humanity to get him AND his men home at any costs. But my interpretation is ‘I see you get home, but you’re a fundamentally changed man from whom you are now.’
The tragedy is that, by embracing ruthlessness, when he faces Scylla, he sails away as fast as possible from the conflict, leading to him losing (according to the Odyssey, I think) 6 of his men. Eurylochus then mutinies him for this, as he realises that he’d sacrifice crewmen to get himself home - another thing that Tiresias prophesises:
- “I see portrayals of betrayals and a brother’s final stand.”
In the original text, the blind prophet also instructed Odysseus that under no circumstances should they eat Helios’ golden cows on this specific island. After the mutiny in Epic, likely following Eurylochus’ lead, the crew are going to do just that to hold off starvation when stranded on said island, as showing in Zeus’s line in Thunder-Bringer, ‘Since hunger was far too great’. Whether Odysseus does or doesn’t then try to take their place in punishment afterwards, I cannot say, but in the end, everyone but Odysseus dies and (according to the text) he spends 7 years on Calypso’s Island.
All this is to say that, due to that damning interpretation of Tiresias’s words in the underworld, when haunted by the cries of the dead crew that trusted him to get them all home (and likely the ghost of Polites, because he sings ‘What if I’m the one that killed you’ in Monster), he embraced the worst of himself to save himself and his crew future heartache. Except his ruthlessness led to sacrifices that led to them losing faith, which likely stopped them from listening to him when warning them against eating the golden cows, eventually getting them obliterated by Zeus and him marooned.
The sad part was that, in the book, had they not eaten the cows, I think the prophecy foretold them all getting home smoothly.
He changed to break the prophecy, but walked straight into it instead. As I said: self-fulfilling.
And that is why I LOVE the ghost of Tiresias at the end of the animatic!
Beautifully done!
I'm reading this, having no clue of what's happening but in full support and still going "oh, dang" at your analysis lol
Rad analysis my dude
OK, I couldn’t get this out of my head. This essay is a PART 2 to the original comment.
This is going to be ridiculously long.😅
And thank you for everyone that liked the original!!!
Again, I want to emphasise that these are JUST MY OPINIONS and, as I wrote in my previous comment, these predictions could all be proved wrong with the release of full songs in the future, or clash with your own head cannons and interpretations, so take what I say with a pinch of salt.
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Ruthlessness in Epic: The Musical
One of the common negative comments I see around the messaging around Epic is related to the theme of ruthlessness and how it appears to be a blanket endorsement of it to get what you want. This is best articulated in Poseidon’s introduction song, the aptly named Ruthlessness. Though I want to expressly clarify that these are just my opinions and interpretations, I feel confident enough in my reading of the released lyrics up to this date (26/11/23) to give my take on how ruthlessness may be being explored in Epic as a slow progression of theme, and will try to bring some order to the existing collection of snippets.
Over the course of Epic, there are several dichotomies that are explore, namely the themes of pacifism and ruthlessness (represented by Polites and Poseidon respectively), and the ideals of being ‘just a man’ vs becoming ‘the monster’. At first listen, it appears that the narrative is advocating for ruthlessness above all else, because in the first act, the characters that display ruthless tendencies (at least initially) appear to succeed where Odysseus fails. They protect what is theirs or get the vengeance they desire. That is, until he starts taking the initiative to be ruthless back. For instance, the narrative argues in the Cyclops and Ocean Saga that, had he not spared Polyphemus after blinding him, he and his crew could have sailed home without consequence, because Polyphemus’ father, Poseidon, wouldn’t have known whom to hunt down. Similarly, a sorceress, named Circe, turned his crew into pigs pre-emptively, because it’s hinted that she’d allowed strangers onto her island in with far less caution in the past, which led to ‘a heavy cost’ - the loss of many of her beloved nymphs. (With the parallels of a leader faced with an unknown threat to those that rely upon them, this latter example could be illustrative of a lesson Odysseus needs to learn in order to protect his own crew).
However, I believe that this championing of ruthlessness is also a cautionary tale. Returning to the Cyclops, was it a lack of ruthlessness that got Odysseus’ crew killed, or that classic Greek flaw of hubris and arrogance? If anything, I feel that ruthlessness caused this whole ordeal in the first place. In Polyphemus’ opening song, we see Odysseus unwittingly kill the cyclops’ ‘favourite sheep’, but we then see him owning up to his actions and endeavouring to make amends. It’s Polyphemus’ decision to take vengeance that leads the humans to take violent action in return, because according to the lyrics to Remember Them, Polyphemus had trapped the crewmen inside of the cave with his massive body when he succumbed to a sedative, covering the cave opening. As such, Odysseus had to incapacitate the Polyphemus enough to leave him at a disadvantage when he awoke, but capable enough to move out of the way and set them all free as well. (I believe that the original text of the Odyssey had the cave opening being covered by a boulder that only the cyclops could move, but the result is the same is essentially the end).
Had the cyclops taken the offering, everyone would have walked away alive and unharmed. Even if Polyphemus didn’t take the route of total forgiveness and asked for more than just the wine as compensation, as is understandable as he is the injured party in this matter, it could have been a teaching moment for Odysseus and others. More specifically, Polites, whom is the light of pure optimism with his moto of ‘Greet the world with open arms’, could have learned the value of caution, since in the Polyphemus’ song, he sees the bounty of food and immediately assumes that they get to keep it without questioning why it’s there - “I can't believe this cave has all this for us to keep”. In contrast, Odysseus could have seen the value in a moderate amount of good faith, since the winnions did in fact lead him to food, but still be reaffirmed in his philosophy of not extending unconditional trust to strangers, as illustrated in his lines ‘It's almost too perfect, too good to be true. Why would the lotus eaters pass up on all this food?’ showing how he’s excited but not without due suspicion or caution - the kind of caution that Odysseus later shows in spiking the wine with lotus. This is also present in the aforementioned sorcery that Circe performs on the crew. Though it was extreme on Circe’s part and required divine intervention for Odysseus to get them back, it was a non-lethal spell. In her own words, ‘if you make one wrong move then you’re done for’. She very well could have killed them outright but she didn’t. Even if it was terribly slim and probably unintentional, she still left them - or rather Odysseus - with a chance to retrieve them.
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the essay was too long, so wait part 3.
PART 3
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From one demonstration of ruthlessness choices made and not made, we come to the embodiment of ‘ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves’ - the ocean god, Poseidon, himself. This divine being reprimands Odysseus particularly harshly, because Odysseus’ actions clash with his philosophy that the way to deal with enemies is to wipe them out so that they can’t come back for revenge later. He sees this human’s compassion as a fundamental weakness and thus uses the drowning of over 500 of the crew to hammer home his own philosophy on dealing with foes - the idea that, ‘you totally could have avoided all this had you just killed my son. But no.’
Firstly, I want to recognise that his son was mutilated, so he too is an individual negatively affected by Odysseus’ actions. In the absence of the boulder to move, Odysseus technically only needed to get Polyphemus to move out of the way, but the Cyclops also proclaims his intentions to kill all 600 of his men, so Odysseus’ actions aren’t without necessity. (Though he could have stabbed a leg to slow the cyclops down as they ran, but then Polyphemus could have seen and pointed to the crewmen in the cave when the other cyclopes arrived, so the blinding was narratively necessary… But that is nitpicking a world-renowned 3-thousand-year-old poem, so let’s end this though-experiment here). What I mean to say is that Poseidon has a reason to seek vengeance upon Odysseus just as much as Odysseus had motivation to blind Poseidon’s son, but I as you this: what does ruthlessness get Poseidon in the long run?
In Get in the Water, we hear this plea from Odysseus:
- “Aren't you tired, Poseidon?
It's been 8 years, how long will this go?
We're both hurting from losses
So why not leave this here and just go home?”
This brings me back to the second of my original two dichotomies: man vs monster. In my previous comment, I explored the tragedy of Tiresias’ self-fulling prophecy and the negative character arch it leads Odysseus down, but something occurred to me later. Tiresias says ‘a man who gets to make it home alive’. A man. Not a monster.
The next song after Monster, the last in Act One, is about Odysseus’ transformation into a monster so he might defeat his own destiny and get them all home; however, this just leads to him losing everything anyway. Let us compare the lyric of Monster to those in Eurylochus’ mutiny. Odysseus goes from: “Would it keep our foes at bay? If I became the monster to everyone but us,” and “And if I gotta drop another infant from a wall in an instant so we all don't die,” to Eurylochus exclaiming “You miss your wife so bad you trade the lives of your own crew”. Odysseys became a monster for the sake of his crew, but ended up being the monster that his crew feared the most. And it’s this commitment to ruthlessness that is to blame; this fixation on a single goal to the detriment of everything else.
In the spirit of how ancient Greeks loved their fatal flaws, my idea is this: Poseidon is the embodiment of ruthlessness and thus appears to have no enemies because of this, but he’s also unable to grow or change or feel for anyone but himself. Think back to the Get in the Water lyrics. It’s been nearly a decade and, in that time, Odyeesus has lost his best friend, his mentor, his mother, his blood brother, his whole crew, and then spent a decent number of years (if we go by the original text, 7 years) marooned on an island, meaning he lost the best years of his son’s youth and the same number of years with his one true love, his wife. Essentially, Poseidon has taken everything of meaning from him. If he were going by the rules of ruthlessness, he should be plotting to take Poseidon on so he can protect what he has left, but he’s been down that route. He’s been a pure monster and it lead him to ruination. In this song, he appeals to Poseidon as a man. Perhaps, even as a father. He recognises the grief they both share. In these lyrics at least, he sounds like he’s past anger and just wants to go home.
In contrast, Poseidon isn’t. In his dedication to pure ruthlessness, he’s stagnated in time, stewing in his resentment and vengeance, which leads us to the song 600 Strikes, in which Poseidon is presumably trying to drown Odysseus and Odysseus is steadfast in his determination to survive. Here, our protagonist is likely displaying his established propensity for ruthlessness (though with the limited lyrics, it’s more of an educated guess). This is, what I believe at least, to be one demonstration of the point of this whole narrative so far; that there’s a balance to ruthlessness, a spectrum. Just as there is a balance to optimism and compassion. Living only by ruthlessness likely leave Poseidon a bitter, hateful being, not as angry about the blinding of his son as the perceived slight by Odysseus has dealt him by continuing to die despite his efforts to kills him, as shown in this line:
- “I've got a reputation
I've got a name to uphold
So I can't go letting you walk or else the world forgets I'm cold”
On the other hand, for all the good he meant by it and goodness that can be derived from his point of view, Polites’ unconditional positivity blinded him to dangers that were obvious to everyone else but him. Odysseus needed to not only see, but feel what it was like to be both of those extremes to discover his own balance. That’s why he’s willing to appeal to this hateful god, whose been blinded his own pride and ruthlessness, but when faced with 108 murderous suitors, he doesn’t bargain or negotiate. He kills them. In fact, had Odysseus abandoned ruthlessness entirely in the aftermath of becoming a monster, he wouldn’t have made it home to reunite with his hunted sun and save his wife, and by extension his kingdom, from an unthinkable fate.
This all reminds me of the saying: you can turn a civilian into a soldier, but it’s harder to turn a soldier into a civilian. After the war, Odysseys has to deal with what he’s endured and reckon with what he’s done. He’s got to take what war has taught him, whilst not sinking into the worst of what war, fear and hate can do to a person. He begins as just a man, throws that humanity away to become a monster, before learning the value of that humanity and empathy, so that when he returns to Ithica, he is, as Tiresias predicted, no longer the man that he was when he left, but a man nonetheless - the man who gets to make it home alive.
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✨ If you made it to the end, well done! You're braver than I am!✨
@@kristinahughes2668 read both parts, amazing take, genuinely well-written and engaging. I won't get into it rn, but I agree with the idea that Epic is an exploration of ruthlessness rather than a cookie-cutter endorsement of ruthlessness or mercy.
I absolutely adore the way he starts looking around and seeing all the people who he’s lost, it’s matches the harsh beat so well!
The image of Tiresias at the end is just so good. as this is the part odyssey start to become someone else, starting the to fufil the the line in the prophecy. "A man who makes it home but its no longer You"
You giving *us* a gift on your birthday? This is incredible! The transitions are perfect!
I was already heartbroken and then SAD TIRESIAS APPEARED Wolfy your work is always so amazing 😭😭😭
When Wolfe uploads, I come speeding through
Edit: Your depiction + design of Odysseus + Athena are my absolute favourites. I love how you make Odysseus’ desperation so clear and capture how close he is to snapping but also how much he just craves to go back to his family. I love the little details you include, especially when Odysseus bends down to peer at the face of (the faceless) Telemachus. He holds him with such love and tenderness. You just capture emotion so well! That, and your composition + the way scenes flow in your animatics are always so impressive. I adore your art Wolfy!
This is gorgeous. You really put a lot of thought into character designs, emotions, settings, compositions, everything! Just like Jorge’s songs, you make everything intentional, and it’s stunning. Truly, well done.
Also, Happy Birthday! 🎉🥳
This is amazing!! The ghosts/flashbacks were gorgeous. The images of Patroclus, Penelope, Telemachus, Athena Tiresias...**chef's kiss**
Also Happy Birthday, Wolfie.🎉🎉🎉
It’s simple really I see Wolfy upload a video and instantly fall in love ❤
Literally goosebumps, love how you incorporate the silhouettes into the fog aghhh so mwah mwah chef's kiss and the camera angles, we see them 👀
Ok it looks like a Disney or dream work film I love it so much it deserves way much views like omg❤
Prince of Egypt aesthetic
Your art omgawd its so impressive my mind is blow away i love seeing the animatics. And omg the blind Phrophet at the end and how he said Odysseus would change and everything ahhh. Your attention to detail is missive I love it and I love rewatching the animatics.
God, I've been really loving these videos lately. You're so good at conveying emotion and motion
THE TRANSITIONS??? LIKE HELLO??? Wolfy how is every video of yours somehow better than the last one ❤❤❤
Oh, my gosh, since n o o n e else seems to be talking about it, I just want to say how much it hurts to see the sheer sorror on his face at the part of "I lost my mom". Like, he looks so, so s a d, and the way he reaches out, his body kinda deflating? I feel so bad for the dude
I feel like it's not given enough thought by people that not only did he miss his child growing up, spending a life with his wife, and all 600 of his men, but his mom who by this point he hadn't seen in, what, 13 years? He was barely a man in his 20s when he left for war. He didn't even find out she died until he saw her ghost in the Underworld!
"I took too long, ventured too far... while you were waiting."
Makes it almost sound like his crew has nobody waiting for them. Just him.
@@aviniciussouza100 I've actually thought about that before, cause imagine, 600 go to war and only 1 comes back after 20 years. Imagine the sorrow the entire kingdoms felt. Of course, Odysseus isn't the only one with people waiting for him, I never meant to suggest otherwise!
600 people with family and friends and lovers. All to never be seen again. Makes me really wish there was an epilogue to the Odyssey, so we can see the aftermath of Odysseus's return and the tragedy that followed in suit. The kingdom probably didn't recover from the losses years and years.
Ooooh the prophet at the end symbolizing that he finally changed and was no longer the same 💫❤️🔥
GREAT detail on Odysseus and how long his journey has been he looks old and tired. Like he said he just wants to go home 😢
He could have at least left the baby in the wilderness. It's not the first time nature or real life had human infants adapt to nature. And he's cunning enough to pull that off. To fake a baby's death.
The only reason Poseindon began going after him was because he was arrogant, and boasted about his true identity as he left the Cyclop's island.
In other words...It's his own fault he turned out like this. He had at least two chances to change his ways. Three, if we count with his neglect of the wind sack, allowing his men to open it and delay his return.
Oh-- yeah! I know all about Odysseus and his entire journey and why it happened I'm very hip to my Greek mythology :) Poseidon still is not a nice god like he's truly an a-hole.
Zeus was watching him during the whole moment where he ended prince hector's child (in EPIC). Zeus even said that if you do not listen to me I will let him know as he grows older to hunt you down and your family.
But I agree with you he did cause his own troubles
Your so talented honestly it’s amazing ❤
You have been my biggest inspiration ever since your channel was called a channelwithoutaname and can I just say I am DEEPLY in love with the way you portrait each and every story and characters, its beautiful and your artstyle is breathtaking, I hope you continue to mesmerize this world
Happy birthday Wolfy!🎂You have to be so damn proud of yourself and for all the effort and emotion you always add in your drawings!
YOU ARE AMAZING
I would kill for a fully animated version of this, this is fire, probably my favorite so far
YOO WHAT??? THREE ANIMATICS IN THE SPAN OF LIKE A WEEK AND A HALF?
Odysseus at the end of the Trojan war: no, you can’t order me to kill this infant, there must be another way!
Odysseus near the end of the odyssey: I would drop babies off a cliff if it would make this boat go faster
(You captured his desperation and resolve so well!!! Love this)
ASDSSDDJHD HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!
also you got me immensely into this musical and i cannot thank you more your animatics are GOLD
Honestly, the animatic i would really to see the most from you right now would be Open Arms, id love to see some wholesome Polites time
I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE THIS ANIMATION, IT LOOKS GREAT!
Gods, I thought I couldn’t be more in love with this song, here you go and breathe whole new life into it!! Great work Wolfy!
oh wow, i hadn't heard this song befoe but your animatic just makes it so powerful !!! 10/10
OHMIGOD again what an AMAZING animatic that just takes the lyrics and brings it to a whole new level!
i love where we see each person he mentions, i lovelovelove the moment where the mist goes around him and he cries and the tear becomes part of the mist, i love how at the end we see the seer!
it's so great !!
I heard this musical a while back and now im learning about it in school :)
So watching animatics are really cool! This is so good😊
This is great. I love the intensity and mood in every panel, it’s all quite perfect and the last shot of the prophet before it ends as he sees Odysseus’s resolve is chilling.
Aughhh I love it so much!!
This turning point is so crazy for his character and you portrayed that so well. Put him right on that wall again with a different thought of mind.
RRRGH THIS MAKES ME SO EMOTIONAL AAA. THE FUCKIN. THE FLASHBACK TO HIM LOOKING DOWN AT THE BABY. THE. THE SAD LOOK AT THE END FROM TIRESIAS. THE SHADOW OF POSEIDON. DEVASTATING
I can’t express how incredible this is.
Your facial expressions are on another level!
Sorry this is such a small thing, but I'm a huge VFX animation fan, and I love the visuals in this. The way the wisps of fog just flow over his shoulders is so well executed, even in this animatic format with no inbetweens you managed to make it flow so smoothly, it actually gives me shivers in the best way. Seriously the weight of it, both emotionally and physicaly as you see the way Odysseus pushes threw it, it moves with him and flows over him, it's fantastic. Tremendous work great job.
I love the teardrop scene, showing the pain he's feeling for things he's done.
I wonder what his reaction will be to Athena coming to disguise him on his way back to Ithaca, considering how they left off and how the last time a God appeared to him when he finally got back the first time turned out. Will he apologize and thank her, or will he be angry at her, assuming that she has more shit for him to go through before he can go home. Not really much to do with this specific video, but something I had been wondering for a while now.
You've probably heard this a lot but the way you convey emotion, intention, and thought processes is amazing!
MAN your work is really inspiring!! So clean and the emptions are great!! Total art goals!
OKAY BUT I LOVE HOW YOU CAN STILL SEE SOME ODY AT 0:39 BUT JUST AFTER HE LIFTS HIS HEAD UP AT 0:47 IT'S NO LONGER HIM WTF THAT IS SO IMPRESSIVE
SO FUCKING IN LOVE WITH THAT ONE oh my god?? The cinematography is insanely creative and so damn dynamic, the way your art is fits and enhances the drama of the song!! Not to mention but your style especially in this animatic gives SUCH strong 2D Disney in the 2000s vibes and I absolutely LOVE it
OH MY GOD THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE
You are so insanely talented I’m not even overstating it you should be incredibly proud of yourself
This gonna be like Hamilton where the soundtrack haunts me through the algorithm til I finally get to see it years later?
just binged all ur EPIC animatics and holy fuckkk theyre so good oh my God🙏🙏🙏🙏
Just admiring how you drew Odysseus’ profile and the movement of the fog ❤ Also, the way you drew Odysseus following the beat as he climbed up the ship? Flawless and satisfying!
God that’s absolutely beautiful, the ending shot of Tiresias was MAGIC
Your interpretations of this musical are OTHERWORLDLY. Every time I watch an EPIC animatic from you, I literally cannot look away from the screen. Your flow and framing is immaculate, and I absolutely adore your character design choices and the way you illustrate all this deep emotion. Wonderful work, rock on man!
i can't stop thinking about that one shot here of Odysseus holding Astyanax - he's supporting the baby's head. such a little detail, but. this man is a father. he knows how to hold a baby. idk why it hits me so hard every time but it does
Thank you thank you thank you!!! I just...oh my god, animating the moment when Odysseus BREAKS...😭
This 0:33 scene with smoke is so strong ;-;
What really got me with Wolfys animations is the importance of detail, or lack of. Especially as Odysseus says “Then we’ll make it home” - he isn’t just trying to get home alone now, he’s carrying all 600 men with him back to Ithaca. There is no one left to remember them and their endings but him.
Getting back from the milk story is an odyssey for real
Odysseus has been the man who strives for mercy .. Now the man is gone and left in it’s place is the monster. @WolfyTheWitch you continue to have us in awe! 🤗👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Phenomenal as always, Wolfy! Such a great animatic. Such emotion in Jay's voice, and it translates so well here. I got chills from the call backs and ghosts. I can't wait for Christmas to come!
I dont know how you pump these AMAZING QUALITY animatics in such short amounts of time but I commend you for it and we love your work!!
I fricking love your epic : the musical animatics keep it up. great job
I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO ANIMATE THIS
AND HOLY SMITE I'M NOT DISAPPOINTED
he cries while accepting become the monster
omgee the amount of perspectives, I can sense ur wrist hurting from my screen!!!!! im speechless bcus this is amazing, also I like odysseus’ sharp hair!
ive never even seen EPIC, but this song is so… mwah. chefs kiss.
If Jorge decides to make an animated movie of Epic or something like that, I need Wolfy to be the one who animates it ❤
I think I've seen this like, 9 times since you've posed it form on the various social medias and I keep coming back to it. I love it. What is crack cocaine in comaprison. This is art. I need it injected directly into my bloodstream.
My Roman Empire is a 54 second animation. What have you done to me.
From the years of watching animatics and animations, yours is the one I feel is the best of the best when it comes to facial expressions and emotion, keep up the good work, for I like what I see.
Not only is every individual one of these amazing but you can literally see how he’s aging and the effects of the journey over time. Great work!
OMG CHILLS
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING
bro….. you are so powerful
Perfect, i loved that telemachus still a child in ody pespective, makes sense with the fact that he dosen't now how much time has pass, is a cool detail
“I see a man who gets to make it home alive… but it’s no longer you”
To be honest..I can’t blame him, I mean. I can..BUT. He literally told us his reasons in the song, he lost his best friend, his mom, his own mentor and his men. That can cause someone to probably go insane, PLUS. He was forced to kill a baby and go to war sooooo..(not saying I support his actions, however I do understand his reasons)
I’m to amazed every time you post these animations. Your truly an inspiration for mythology/ history nerds and artist alike. Every little detail gives me chills. Keep up the absolutely amazing work
I always cry when I see polites even if he died a long time ago; I live your work btw
Yo this made me tear up 🥺💔 so powerful!! Great job!!
I love how you have the ghosts of polites show up and him continuing to reach out but can't. He lost them and now he's lost. You have shown poseidon over the boat indicating he's towering over Odysseus given he's a god. You made that flashback to when he killed the baby. The intent is clear there. Odysseus realizes that life is a horse and the infant scenario. With every choice you make, someone will have to pay the price. The blood on his hands will always be there but he has to chose whose blood he wants to spill. Since he decided to be the monster, he chose the worlds blood. The animatic ends with a image of tiersias. Its a call back to when he said that he sees a man who gets back home and its no longer Odysseus. The song is the reason why. Before, Odysseus accept the ideology of polites where he shows kindness. Now he accepts the philosophy of poseidon where ruthlessness is mercy for himself. Hes no longer the man we see from the beginning. Hes a monster
Every time you upload a new animatic I always think you can’t possibly top this but then you make a new post and prove me wrong every time 😭😭😭
God the emotion in his face and every pose.. amazing 😢❤ absolutely gorgeous!
This animatic left a grown man bawling on his commute home. I have never heard of this song before and the video drove the emotions deeply.
When I first heard this song, I loved it. You just tripled that love. Thank you!!!
I normally don’t comment on videos, but I just wanted to note that your work is amazing!! The usage of anatomy, the expressions of Odysseus, and effects are so immersive that I have found myself to just loop play all your EPIC animatics for the past couple of weeks^^;;
Keep up the *Epic* work and Happy Birthday!!
He could have at least left the baby in the wilderness. It's not the first time nature or real life had human infants adapt to nature. And he's cunning enough to pull that off. To fake a baby's death.
The only reason Poseindon began going after him was because he was arrogant, and boasted about his true identity as he left the Cyclop's island.
In other words...It's his own fault he turned out like this. He had at least two chances to change his ways. Three, if we count with his neglect of the wind sack, allowing his men to open it and delay his return.
I keep watching this over and over again. Thank you for your amazing work !