Gertrude: Elias I need this suspicious amount of things that go boom or cause flames. Elias: Seems like a legit purchase for an archivist who spends their day surrounded by paper.
okay but I think one of the scariest thing about this podcast is that, for something based on the supernatural, it is terrifyingly realistic. The people who give statements are almost never acting stupidly in their situation. It isn't like a horror movie where you scream at the characters for being so idiotic. They're all normal people who do what most of us would do in their experiences, but yet things still don't usually turn out well for them. And that is pretty frickin Scary to me
It's so funny that the comment right below this is talking about how "the most comforting part of this podcast is that there is always a solution or away out for these people," and that at least they survived to give the statement. Two types of people.
Have we agreed to collectively ignore the fact that Salesa and Lukas placed a bet on whether that man survived? Is that what happened? What is this? Lukas: bruh sick u were right Salesa: ay brovah. U owe me 20 Lukas: a shiet
I love looking through theories, even though this is my third run through, because I never did pay attention to the fact that Sasha's laptop was always broken. Went right over my head.
@biancamlf288 I think the NotSasha was breaking her computer on purpose. The real Sasha was a bit of a hacker and knew how to backdoor into police databases. The NotSahas doesn't know how to do that, so she is sabotaging her laptop so she isn't suspicious.
The most comforting thing about this horror podcast is that there is always a solution or a way out for these people. If they were able to leave the statement at the very least they were able to survive, and I think that's what contributes to me being able to listen to this podcast without freaking out too much. The post statements are always so matter of the fact that even if they end up dead like a week later its okay lmao
Eh. When they are capable of giving a statement, its either that they survived, or they are still affected or 'cursed', so they end up dying soon after giving the statement. If they are unlucky, which they often are, the only escape from their situation is death.
I like to think Salesa was this regular illegal antiques dealer who found out about supernatural shit; so he's partly concerned about these people who touch his crazy objects but also he's not gonna try to fight or help against unknown supernatural shit.
Salesa knows he deals with highly arcane and dangerous objects - selling to very specific clients. He seems to feel bad when innocents get mixed up in it
"supplement: I broke into the lost and found at the airport gertrude made her last trip to. Martin if you're listening to this, sorry I lied about my holiday"
As someone working in the health system, all I can think about is "I really hope he wore compression socks. My guy is probably going to get thrombosis."
Quick tip for a scenario like this: *Do. Not. Scream.* Try your best not to hyperventilate. This will use up precious oxygen and make you delirious and/or faint :)
@@nathanj3528 Yeah, I imagine it would be hard to avoid screaming without training of some kind. Hopefully, we'd try to calm down first and then proceed from there.
You know, we only have unreliable narrator Martin's word that Gertrude died of bullet wounds. What if he just saw small holes? Mr hallway labyrinth demon Michael has long spindly fingers doesn't he? And Gertrude was found in the tunnels right? Also I have a theory on the disarray. What if that thing the old soldier encountered under Alexandria was some sort of library spirit, and it can appear/has power in places where large collections of knowledge are kept organized (normally this would only be libraries but the Archives would also qualify)?If Gertrude knew about it and knew what it was she might have taken steps to prevent against it.
I thought about how it's only been 66 episodes and we're starting to get a bigger picture... and then I realized that in my mind I said "ONLY 66 episodes". Time really has flown by and it's because of the amazing voice acting and story. I'm emotionally attached to a lot of characters already. Thank you so much for this series. Also, I knew Gertrude had made a mess of her files on purpose!!! =D
Interesting how the team can go anywhere around the world if they want to, but they can't quit their jobs. What if they just decide not to go back to work? Would something subconsciously make them return there?
I really need to stop listening to these at night. I get paranoid after dark if I consume spooky media. Luckily, watching cosplay tutorials calms me down a bit.
Hi! It's 11:40 PM, just read this comment and realized that I've been listening to this podcast for 4 weeks straight around 10:00 PM-12:00 AM. Been a ritual lately... Hmm... Anywaysss i should maybe stop and start listening to this mid day before i get some creepy dreams.
My theory from this episode and what we know so far: The box had rules, like the coffin of "do not open" has rules too. For this box, the rules are to not touch its inside, maybe even not touch it at all. Salesa even tried to warn him afterwards, "don't fall asleep", so it truly was an accident, he didn't want for the witness to suffer like he did. But after he touched the box, Salesa was now in front of an opportunity to make a deal out of it, and the deal was with Lukas. I believe the witness's Alzheimer and the money Lukas gave to Salesa are connected, 'cause once the witness touched the box he became a potential object for sale as well, and whether he was indeed worth of a trade or not was solely dependent on whether he would survive the box's curse or not. I don't know what the thing of him that Lukas bought could have been though. Now, as I said the box has rules. You can't touch it. Once you do, the next time you fall asleep you then end up inside it. Since there are parallels with the coffin, I believe that the reason he shouldn't have fallen asleep was because, once he did, he actually sleepwalked towards the box and inside of it, like the witness in the first season almost did lots of times and how daisy's partner went inside the coffin willingly after he opened it. Once you enter the box, it works as a portal and you're in a different dimension; the fact that the witness has spend 4 days inside and his clock was working just fine with him while, in our dimension, it was only one night, proves it. What I don't know is why the witness was left out. Did he pass a "test" and was deemed to be released? Or did Salesa and Lukas freed him themselves in order to make the deal between them? From what he hear in this episode, I believe that there was a process going on in order for the box to fully "eat" him, like, the box wanted for the witness to reach a certain state or certain point, and only after that to fully "own" him, but Salesa and Lukas interrupted the process, which resulted in us thinking they saved him, but actually they just did it for their own personal goals. As for Gertrude, we were hinted that she was the one trying to find and buy the Leitner books from the first episode were they were mentioned, because that's where he heard for the first time the nickname "grbookworm1818". But that and her buying all these explosive items make us question whether she was trying to do good by obtaining the books so no bad guy will and using the materials to burn and destroy locations of the bad guys, or if she was trying to obtain power from the books and using the materials to destroy the ones who would be in her way. We also don't know if she was getting the books and the explosive materials as a pawn of a supernatural entity or as a player herself.
Did Salesa actually put him in the box or was it Lukas? The was Salesa acted after, and the warning against falling asleep makes me wonder if he just knew what was coming, rather than being the one who caused him to be put in there. Edit: I'm also VERY curious about whether his brush with... whatever that box was, is what caused Vincent to get hit with the Alzheimers, or if it's just natural...
He didn't cause it. It was a cursed artefact, and anyone who touches it in certain place gets transported into it when they next sleep. Notice how Salesa was careful not to touch the box when he helped the guy out. Then he and the captain made a bet on whether he was in the box, or whether he survived - no way to know which, but I'm guessing the latter.
So I'm standing here listening to the podcast heating up some mac and cheese and my sister is standing next to me waiting for the microwave when suddenly at the point he said "two shots of vodka" I hear her say "dumbass"
Seems like Salesa didn't want Vincent Yang to go through the horror of being in the box, he even warned him not to fall asleep. I hope we learn more about Salesa soon, does he hate putting innocent people through hell but is forced to?
It kinda takes me out of another plane of consciousness when I remember the characters can’t die because they have to survive to write these letters (only the writers, everyone else can die)
She was pretty damn cavalier about Mary Keay murdering and skinning multiple people. She might have been sporting the world's best poker face for the sake of getting the whole statement, but I don't trust her a lot since then.
@@nanahuatli2144 Frankly, the fact Gertrude was buying Leitners is more suspicious than anything. Those books have power, and mark people. In ways that I am pretty sure is not meant to happen, even in this world.
(Spoilers for the supplemental) I don't usually comment, since anything I'd point out is already there, but I haven't seen anyone else mention Gertrude's ordering of petrol.iirc at the end of The Observer Effect, the person who gave the statement murdered a delivery driver from a company that *usually* delivers things like paper to the Magnus Institute, stole the truck, and went driving (presumably to the Institute, at least by Jon) with a truck *full of petrol*. Was the petrol already in the truck, because Gertrude ordered it? Was she involved in that in some way? Or Two completely separate, coincidental incidents of petrol being delivered to the institute?
Ive seen other ppl throwing the idea that she was destroying other archives, maybe the lady from observer effect was gonna give the magnus archives the same treatment?
Kansas native here! I'm suprised that she went to Witchita and not Atchison. Atchison has a surprisingly large number of haunted houses in their area, including the infamous Sally House. I doubt this series would go to classic ghosties when they're dealing with this cosmic horror conspiracy. Still tho, Witchita???
The first time there was a leitner book the guy searched the name and found out someone w that username had bought one of his books called key of solomon or smth
Confirmed, She has the Leitner books, before those were taken from her, probably one of the stolen stuff when she was murdered. In burial rites, as an immortal, shots in the heart will end it. So the same goes for the archivists...???
Spoilers for MAG 181 It is very interesting to rewatch these episodes that deal with Mikaele Salesa (probably misspelled sorry) now that he's made an appearance in-podcast. He has a very different personality than I had originally pictured, but it fits quite well! I am sure he would enjoy being named alongside god and the devil as the third party.
I was thinking the same thing. He's a fascinating character to be sure. He cuts such an intimidating figure from everything we've heard about him and then he's all smiles and generosity in the apocalypse???
Lots of people named early on gain a kind of mystique because they're encountered by a terrified statement giver. Then we actually meet them, and that mystique evaporates. Leitner is _the_ best example. Both Jon and Gerard Keay have a built up, larger than life expectations of Leitner, but when they meet him, he's underwhelming and in Gerard's case he doesn't actually believe it's really Leitner.
So wait he got kidnapped in his sleep or teleported into the box/coffin? Wonder if this is the coffin from before and if the destination of it can change? 👀
Wichita, Kansas may seem like a random place for Gertrude to have visited, but as a native Wichitan I can tell you, that place is BIZARRE. Back in the 90s a bunch of high ranking Wiccans apparently convened to erect a "protective barrier" around the city due to some energetic shenanigans. I moved away from the place the first chance I got. Also, odd side note, Wichita has more crows than pigeons.
Literally, I mostly don't have an issue with being pressed in on all sides, but being stuck in an uncomfortable position without being able to move is something I've always hated with a passion
So Salesa has a creepy box and the moving men have a creepy coffin. Wonder if the two are related? I also wonder if Selasa might be with the Other. The mysterious mercant who sells you your doom? Sounds a bit like that guy from episode 2.
I find it hilarious that Jon has seemingly resigned himself to having Parker luck (although I have a feeling some of this is rather quite intentional given the few spoilers I’ve seen)
don't look at me ay, I like Salesa, dude was possibly wearing a tank top, had the sass to tell this man "go ahead and check inside" possibly because he either wanted Vincent to be proven wrong or simply to get this over with so he doesn't have to deal with some stupid papers, showed concern for the man and then *gently* lifted him out of the box. I wanna be gently lifted out of the box by Salesa too, not that box though
Which episode was selasa from, again? I swear. You gotta take notes for this series cuz I'll hear names and references from previous episodes but I'll forget.
I notice that Yang said he prayed to God, then the devil, and then Salesa. I feel like that foreshadow that Salesa may be some sort of entity of his own 👀
@@emilybarclay8831 other way around actually! :D Orient came from French and originally meant "point at the east". It first popped up in that meaning in English in the early 18th century, with orientate (with that same original meaning) first popping up a few decades later via "orientation" and people treating it analogously to "origination". (Back then "origin" could be used as a verb meaning the same thing as "originate" does today, but people did the same backformation to coin the word "originate", and in that case it displaced that usage of "origin" entirely.) And they both shifted to mean "point in a particular direction" about a century later at around the same time, which is also when you start seeing disorient/disorientate.
Idk this is my first time but could a lot of supernatural things cause high temperatures because they can often be destroyed by fire and they want to make the victims wary of heat? Like, the only cold (that I can recall) is from man-made or natral things. Most supernatural things can apparently be killed by fire (vampires, the bug things, lightner books) Idk tho it doesn't help that it's oppressively hot recently
You lost me at "I could see my watch" after describing him in his pajamas in this one. Nobody wears their watch in bed, way too easy to either hurt yourself in your sleep.
I went to sleep cuddling my open computer, I woke up with my hand grabbing the screen tightly so it won’t fall. I know people who sleep with their inconvenient jewelery so this is plausible if you sleep like the dead and nothing bothers you.
Eh, Ive fallen asleep with my watch on plenty of times. Granted a lot of those times i was also falling asleep in my khakis and hadn't changed into my pajamas before conking out, but this is still very possible if you change clothes earlier in the evening. Also im guessing it was more of a plastic sports watch with little to no pointy edges.
accidently open box. :| the box comes back for revenge 0.o BRUH SILAZER AND MYSTERIOUS GUY REALLY JUST BET ON WHETHER OR NOT VINCENT WOULD FRICKEN LIVE
i was reading the transcript for pageturner after mary keay's statement and i noticed grbookworm1818 mentioned there and i was like omg gertrude robinson?????? AND I WAS RIGHT
“Piecemeal”, “Lost and Found”, and “Blood Bag” I’m pretty sure those are the only times he’s been mentioned so far, apart from this episode, of course. :)
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Gertrude: Elias I need this suspicious amount of things that go boom or cause flames.
Elias: Seems like a legit purchase for an archivist who spends their day surrounded by paper.
elias might have been in on it 👀
Oh sweetie what episode are you on...
Then again...
@@lorenam2430 it's my first listen..! currently on ep 72 ;~;✌️
Oop, you're in for a wild ride soon.
Have fun and beware spooky tunnels.
okay but I think one of the scariest thing about this podcast is that, for something based on the supernatural, it is terrifyingly realistic. The people who give statements are almost never acting stupidly in their situation. It isn't like a horror movie where you scream at the characters for being so idiotic. They're all normal people who do what most of us would do in their experiences, but yet things still don't usually turn out well for them. And that is pretty frickin Scary to me
Oh yeah it’s so good! It gives the impression that this kinda thing could happen to anyone. I absolutely love it
There are some things you just can’t fight against.
@@DrMDHyde some hungers too deep
It's so funny that the comment right below this is talking about how "the most comforting part of this podcast is that there is always a solution or away out for these people," and that at least they survived to give the statement.
Two types of people.
This is an excellent observation, so true
"Holy shit he's alive, Mikaele! You owe me 20 quid!"
Fr betting on the poor dudes life😭
This is the most fucked up telling of Madagascar ever
💀💀 This really helps me with the paranoia I'm getting from this episode lmao
This broke me 😭
salesa: "you were mildly bureacratic with me, you now have to stay in the box for a few weeks"
bad and naughty children get put in the pear wiggler to atone for their crimes
Salesa didn't make that choice, the box did.
@@mae_er3Why did I laugh at this ☠️
"I can't blame it all on drugs anymore :(" -John Spooky
Tim can be such a mood, lol.
John Spooky will live in the history books
JON SPOOKY!!!!
Have we agreed to collectively ignore the fact that Salesa and Lukas placed a bet on whether that man survived? Is that what happened? What is this?
Lukas: bruh sick u were right
Salesa: ay brovah. U owe me 20
Lukas: a shiet
I KNOW RIGHT I WAS LIKR R THESE PPL REALLY IGNORING THIS
Exactly what I thought. I was like "What?"
Maybe Salesa was paying Lukas to open the box for him, so he wouldn't have to touch it?
@@AbstractQueer oh shiet. Galaxy brain. Still funnier if they just did for shits and giggles
I was like oh cute salesa telling him not to sleep
Wait
It was a fucking BET
another mention of sasha not being able to use digital technology, just like how the "real" statements cant get recorded by digital means!
"I'm sorry I can't take part in online classes, I'm a supernatural entity and can't use technology"
Which is curious, because the computer expert from "Binary" made a point that the magnetic tapes ARE in fact a low tech form of digital recording...
_before you complete this form:_
_▢ are you human?_
not!sasha: ...aw DANGIT
I love looking through theories, even though this is my third run through, because I never did pay attention to the fact that Sasha's laptop was always broken. Went right over my head.
@biancamlf288 I think the NotSasha was breaking her computer on purpose. The real Sasha was a bit of a hacker and knew how to backdoor into police databases. The NotSahas doesn't know how to do that, so she is sabotaging her laptop so she isn't suspicious.
John season 1:
No evindece. Sounds fake bruh
John season 2:
IT IS TOO SCARY AND WEIRD, SO IS ALL FUCKING TRUE I GUESS!!!
The most comforting thing about this horror podcast is that there is always a solution or a way out for these people. If they were able to leave the statement at the very least they were able to survive, and I think that's what contributes to me being able to listen to this podcast without freaking out too much. The post statements are always so matter of the fact that even if they end up dead like a week later its okay lmao
truth. thats the only thing that got me through the slaughter house episode lmao
Eh. When they are capable of giving a statement, its either that they survived, or they are still affected or 'cursed', so they end up dying soon after giving the statement. If they are unlucky, which they often are, the only escape from their situation is death.
@@gizmo5041 Sometimes they can't even get that! The poor lady that got trapped in a maze...
@@РитаРязанова-д2й It's honestly tragic imagining that moment of realization she must have had as soon as the door closed behind her.
Kind of. Half the people didn't have happy endings after this. Especially the appearing door woman.
I like to think Salesa was this regular illegal antiques dealer who found out about supernatural shit; so he's partly concerned about these people who touch his crazy objects but also he's not gonna try to fight or help against unknown supernatural shit.
This or if they're more connected / powerful they are mostly just neutral moving powerful stuff around kinda like the cockney delivery men.
@@fish3977like that one firm from the SCP wiki that sells anomalies to the rich and powerful.
Don't like that antique dealer, but the fact he seemed concerned for this dude made me warm up to him a teensy bit.
wasn't he concerned only because he made a bet with captain lukas? that's what it sounded like
@@f_mva I think op was talking about when he touched the crate for the first time and the salezo acted concerned
@@f_mva his thoughts were instead probably "ohhh no here we go again. i wonder what crazy shit will happen this time"
@@bingotries Nah cos then he wouldn't have known that the victim going to sleep would be the trigger for ending up trapped in the box.
Salesa knows he deals with highly arcane and dangerous objects - selling to very specific clients. He seems to feel bad when innocents get mixed up in it
Saw the title and thought "What has Jon done now?"
Lol
i was like "lmao did jon get arrested smh"
"supplement: I broke into the lost and found at the airport gertrude made her last trip to. Martin if you're listening to this, sorry I lied about my holiday"
As someone working in the health system, all I can think about is "I really hope he wore compression socks. My guy is probably going to get thrombosis."
The real question, why killed Gertrude?
When killed gertrude?
they always ask _who_ killed gertrude and _why_ killed gertrude, but they never ask... _how_ killed gertrude
@@marinao4412 Bullets
Killed Gertrude Who?
Kelben V02
Maybe. Or just nice, round, stab wounds.
Quick tip for a scenario like this:
*Do. Not. Scream.* Try your best not to hyperventilate. This will use up precious oxygen and make you delirious and/or faint :)
Easy to say when we've never been in that situation
@@nathanj3528 Yeah, I imagine it would be hard to avoid screaming without training of some kind. Hopefully, we'd try to calm down first and then proceed from there.
@@nathanj3528 hopefully assuming he hasn't being In that situation before
I haven't started the statement yet...WHAT
i mean if theres bad ventilation like here anyway wouldnt you want to faint? slow breathing = more air gets in + fainting skips time for u
Too tight, I cannot move.
Too deep, I cannot scream.
Too dark, I cannot see.
Too close, I cannot breathe.
too .ong, i cannot die
You know, we only have unreliable narrator Martin's word that Gertrude died of bullet wounds. What if he just saw small holes? Mr hallway labyrinth demon Michael has long spindly fingers doesn't he? And Gertrude was found in the tunnels right?
Also I have a theory on the disarray. What if that thing the old soldier encountered under Alexandria was some sort of library spirit, and it can appear/has power in places where large collections of knowledge are kept organized (normally this would only be libraries but the Archives would also qualify)?If Gertrude knew about it and knew what it was she might have taken steps to prevent against it.
I do like your theory, I can't help but feel that all these labyrinths of tunnels are connected...
@@tearez13 For now I think every instance of a morphing tunnel is all Michael, mostly because I can't think of any other possible Entity for it.
Well now I'm scared
I thought about how it's only been 66 episodes and we're starting to get a bigger picture... and then I realized that in my mind I said "ONLY 66 episodes". Time really has flown by and it's because of the amazing voice acting and story. I'm emotionally attached to a lot of characters already. Thank you so much for this series.
Also, I knew Gertrude had made a mess of her files on purpose!!! =D
"Don't fall asleep... Don't.. fall... asleep...." --Yoda, Bad Lip Reading
First thing I thought of
yeah that's the first thing i thought of XD
glad to know i'm not the only one who thought about that
Interesting how the team can go anywhere around the world if they want to, but they can't quit their jobs. What if they just decide not to go back to work? Would something subconsciously make them return there?
maybe it's something similar to the strings from the halfway house
The weird table really likes to pull people in. Evil table.
@@dorianvukin4845 The table? Interesting.
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Tim tried. didn't go too well.
I really need to stop listening to these at night. I get paranoid after dark if I consume spooky media. Luckily, watching cosplay tutorials calms me down a bit.
Same, I had to limit myself to only listen while there's sunlight outside. Gets too spoopy for me after.
Hi! It's 11:40 PM, just read this comment and realized that I've been listening to this podcast for 4 weeks straight around 10:00 PM-12:00 AM. Been a ritual lately... Hmm... Anywaysss i should maybe stop and start listening to this mid day before i get some creepy dreams.
any cosplay tutorial recs? I swear this podcast singlehandedly gave me an overactive imagination now I see faces everywhere
it's the opposite for me, I never seem interested when there's light out...I'm probably just as bad as Jon right now ._.
me too budy me too
So Gertrude went around destroying Archives?
I thought it was gonna be sleep paralysis for a second there. So glad it wasn't º¤º
But i mean, being trapped in a hateful box that keeps getting smaller is SO much worse isnt it?
My theory from this episode and what we know so far:
The box had rules, like the coffin of "do not open" has rules too. For this box, the rules are to not touch its inside, maybe even not touch it at all. Salesa even tried to warn him afterwards, "don't fall asleep", so it truly was an accident, he didn't want for the witness to suffer like he did. But after he touched the box, Salesa was now in front of an opportunity to make a deal out of it, and the deal was with Lukas. I believe the witness's Alzheimer and the money Lukas gave to Salesa are connected, 'cause once the witness touched the box he became a potential object for sale as well, and whether he was indeed worth of a trade or not was solely dependent on whether he would survive the box's curse or not. I don't know what the thing of him that Lukas bought could have been though.
Now, as I said the box has rules. You can't touch it. Once you do, the next time you fall asleep you then end up inside it. Since there are parallels with the coffin, I believe that the reason he shouldn't have fallen asleep was because, once he did, he actually sleepwalked towards the box and inside of it, like the witness in the first season almost did lots of times and how daisy's partner went inside the coffin willingly after he opened it. Once you enter the box, it works as a portal and you're in a different dimension; the fact that the witness has spend 4 days inside and his clock was working just fine with him while, in our dimension, it was only one night, proves it.
What I don't know is why the witness was left out. Did he pass a "test" and was deemed to be released? Or did Salesa and Lukas freed him themselves in order to make the deal between them? From what he hear in this episode, I believe that there was a process going on in order for the box to fully "eat" him, like, the box wanted for the witness to reach a certain state or certain point, and only after that to fully "own" him, but Salesa and Lukas interrupted the process, which resulted in us thinking they saved him, but actually they just did it for their own personal goals.
As for Gertrude, we were hinted that she was the one trying to find and buy the Leitner books from the first episode were they were mentioned, because that's where he heard for the first time the nickname "grbookworm1818". But that and her buying all these explosive items make us question whether she was trying to do good by obtaining the books so no bad guy will and using the materials to burn and destroy locations of the bad guys, or if she was trying to obtain power from the books and using the materials to destroy the ones who would be in her way. We also don't know if she was getting the books and the explosive materials as a pawn of a supernatural entity or as a player herself.
OMG I totally forgot about that nickname mention in the first episode **mind-blowing**
Did Salesa actually put him in the box or was it Lukas? The was Salesa acted after, and the warning against falling asleep makes me wonder if he just knew what was coming, rather than being the one who caused him to be put in there.
Edit: I'm also VERY curious about whether his brush with... whatever that box was, is what caused Vincent to get hit with the Alzheimers, or if it's just natural...
He didn't cause it. It was a cursed artefact, and anyone who touches it in certain place gets transported into it when they next sleep. Notice how Salesa was careful not to touch the box when he helped the guy out.
Then he and the captain made a bet on whether he was in the box, or whether he survived - no way to know which, but I'm guessing the latter.
@@birdbrainiac I think its specifically that touches it when opened?
It's like the opposite of a tardis, it's smaller on the inside
Sidrat
doctor who fan in the wild no way
So I'm standing here listening to the podcast heating up some mac and cheese and my sister is standing next to me waiting for the microwave when suddenly at the point he said "two shots of vodka" I hear her say "dumbass"
Seems like Salesa didn't want Vincent Yang to go through the horror of being in the box, he even warned him not to fall asleep.
I hope we learn more about Salesa soon, does he hate putting innocent people through hell but is forced to?
It kinda takes me out of another plane of consciousness when I remember the characters can’t die because they have to survive to write these letters (only the writers, everyone else can die)
Lukas?!?! Is that the Lukas family!?
yeah, the captain of the ship in season 1, I think 🤔
So Gertrude buyed these books? So cool to get to know more about her and her dark secrets
She was pretty damn cavalier about Mary Keay murdering and skinning multiple people. She might have been sporting the world's best poker face for the sake of getting the whole statement, but I don't trust her a lot since then.
@@nanahuatli2144
Frankly, the fact Gertrude was buying Leitners is more suspicious than anything. Those books have power, and mark people. In ways that I am pretty sure is not meant to happen, even in this world.
(Spoilers for the supplemental)
I don't usually comment, since anything I'd point out is already there, but I haven't seen anyone else mention Gertrude's ordering of petrol.iirc at the end of The Observer Effect, the person who gave the statement murdered a delivery driver from a company that *usually* delivers things like paper to the Magnus Institute, stole the truck, and went driving (presumably to the Institute, at least by Jon) with a truck *full of petrol*.
Was the petrol already in the truck, because Gertrude ordered it? Was she involved in that in some way? Or Two completely separate, coincidental incidents of petrol being delivered to the institute?
That didn’t even occur to me but yeah, what if they’re connected?
Ive seen other ppl throwing the idea that she was destroying other archives, maybe the lady from observer effect was gonna give the magnus archives the same treatment?
I'm sorry did he say Gertrude traveled to WICHITA
Probably has something to do with a later episode (which I won't spoil here in case)
Yeah she probably ran into a couple hunters....🤔🤣
Kansas native here! I'm suprised that she went to Witchita and not Atchison. Atchison has a surprisingly large number of haunted houses in their area, including the infamous Sally House. I doubt this series would go to classic ghosties when they're dealing with this cosmic horror conspiracy. Still tho, Witchita???
@@ameliaschwarz1595 I'm sorry but seeing Atchison reminded me of Overland Park and that reminded me of The Most Popular Girls and I cackled.........
the thing that baffles me is that kansas horror media never seems to take place in topeka
the first three digits of all topeka zip codes are 666
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Wasn’t the GR Bookworm 1818 name brought up earlier on? Like in season 1 at the beginning?
The first time there was a leitner book the guy searched the name and found out someone w that username had bought one of his books called key of solomon or smth
In the episode, Pageturner!
thanks! I have claustrophobia now
Glad someone thought outside of the box
Confirmed, She has the Leitner books, before those were taken from her, probably one of the stolen stuff when she was murdered.
In burial rites, as an immortal, shots in the heart will end it.
So the same goes for the archivists...???
In burial rites the guy didn't die. You cant die as an immortal as far as we have seen.
Spoilers for MAG 181
It is very interesting to rewatch these episodes that deal with Mikaele Salesa (probably misspelled sorry) now that he's made an appearance in-podcast. He has a very different personality than I had originally pictured, but it fits quite well! I am sure he would enjoy being named alongside god and the devil as the third party.
I was thinking the same thing. He's a fascinating character to be sure. He cuts such an intimidating figure from everything we've heard about him and then he's all smiles and generosity in the apocalypse???
Lots of people named early on gain a kind of mystique because they're encountered by a terrified statement giver. Then we actually meet them, and that mystique evaporates. Leitner is _the_ best example. Both Jon and Gerard Keay have a built up, larger than life expectations of Leitner, but when they meet him, he's underwhelming and in Gerard's case he doesn't actually believe it's really Leitner.
So wait he got kidnapped in his sleep or teleported into the box/coffin? Wonder if this is the coffin from before and if the destination of it can change? 👀
Its a wooden crate specifically being mentioned twice or thrice so I think not
The one dislike is from Gertrude’s ghost
The box shrinks, the time stretches. I'm wondering if there's some sort of dimensional conservation principle at work.
Your mystery comment for the day
Buried
think im beginning to understand what these mystery comments might be
Key of Solomon? Yeahhhhhh! Gosh I love it
As someone who lives near Wichita, why would she go to Wichita.
I second this
box go nom nom
Spoilers I guess...
- Heat
- claustrophobic , box get smaller
- artefact / Silesa?
- coffin from the street daisy ?
do you mean ''Salasa'' in ''celeaser''?
@@cezar3169 jup sorry for misspelling
@@flynland7366 It's fine. And this gonna sound awkward, it, but I also spelt mine wrong. It's actually Silesa... Sorry...
@@cezar3169 it's fine!
This statement was given a day after my birthday.
Happy super late birthday!
almost a week before mine
Wichita, Kansas may seem like a random place for Gertrude to have visited, but as a native Wichitan I can tell you, that place is BIZARRE. Back in the 90s a bunch of high ranking Wiccans apparently convened to erect a "protective barrier" around the city due to some energetic shenanigans. I moved away from the place the first chance I got. Also, odd side note, Wichita has more crows than pigeons.
“Do not fall asleep”
“Wanna help me with that, sugar????”
and no horror accidents 🤔
Literally, I mostly don't have an issue with being pressed in on all sides, but being stuck in an uncomfortable position without being able to move is something I've always hated with a passion
Man it sickens me that people record themselves playing games and it gets millions more views than this amazing stuff you guys put so much effort into
Rusty Quill has a gaming podcast too...
Gertrude went to Nairobi? I don't think we heard that statement.
The Buried with some elements of The Dark
Buried and Dark go hand in hand like Stranger and Spiral. They’re best friends :)
So Salesa has a creepy box and the moving men have a creepy coffin. Wonder if the two are related? I also wonder if Selasa might be with the Other. The mysterious mercant who sells you your doom? Sounds a bit like that guy from episode 2.
I was brushing my teeth while listening to the ending and literally did a spit take when I heard her ordering... [Spoiler]
Litner Novels
Look at that! I'm from Nairobi. Now what was Gertrude doing here.
What a flex to stand there in the cold like that. Man is a menace
The box is shape shifting on the inside??? Weird...
John has fallen so far into paranoia he's now suspecting the motivations of a dead woman
I like that he respects Gertrud but also realised that she is not a good example to follow.
"mymurderer.avi"
I don't have claustrophobia, but after this many episodes of being trapped in small spaces I might have developed it
good guy salesa warning him what not to do at least
he was wearing a....what? a tank top? is that what he said? oh how I would have loved to seen the fanart after this episode came out
Literally
Not even a minute in and I know this one's gonna be a nightmare.
Customs is no joke. Not as bad as immigration but it's definitely up there.
I find it hilarious that Jon has seemingly resigned himself to having Parker luck (although I have a feeling some of this is rather quite intentional given the few spoilers I’ve seen)
This video's single dislike is from Michael
Samoa Joe should play Salesa in the inevitable TV adaptation.
don't look at me ay, I like Salesa, dude was possibly wearing a tank top, had the sass to tell this man "go ahead and check inside" possibly because he either wanted Vincent to be proven wrong or simply to get this over with so he doesn't have to deal with some stupid papers, showed concern for the man and then *gently* lifted him out of the box. I wanna be gently lifted out of the box by Salesa too, not that box though
Yeah Lukas
Weird sentence after someone will be alone and stuck in weird space
Categories
Alone
Spacer (previous name I used - Liminar Spaces)
Which episode was selasa from, again? I swear. You gotta take notes for this series cuz I'll hear names and references from previous episodes but I'll forget.
He was briefly mentioned in ep 14, but has a bigger role in ep 38 (the homophobic vase episode). Since then he’s been mentioned a few times
@@giulia5634LMAO THE HOMOPHOBIC VASE😭
1:10
ALRIGHT SO WE ARE JUST GOING RIGHT INTO THE DEEP END GOT IT
Seven minutes in and I am not sleeping tonight 😭😂
so captain lukas could have gotten his whistle from salesa gotchu
I notice that Yang said he prayed to God, then the devil, and then Salesa. I feel like that foreshadow that Salesa may be some sort of entity of his own 👀
is "disorientate" how folks in the UK say disorient or something? it throws me off every time and they say it so much in this series lol.
Disorientate is the original word before Americans shortened it. They’re basically the same word
@@emilybarclay8831 other way around actually! :D
Orient came from French and originally meant "point at the east". It first popped up in that meaning in English in the early 18th century, with orientate (with that same original meaning) first popping up a few decades later via "orientation" and people treating it analogously to "origination". (Back then "origin" could be used as a verb meaning the same thing as "originate" does today, but people did the same backformation to coin the word "originate", and in that case it displaced that usage of "origin" entirely.) And they both shifted to mean "point in a particular direction" about a century later at around the same time, which is also when you start seeing disorient/disorientate.
Idk this is my first time but could a lot of supernatural things cause high temperatures because they can often be destroyed by fire and they want to make the victims wary of heat? Like, the only cold (that I can recall) is from man-made or natral things. Most supernatural things can apparently be killed by fire (vampires, the bug things, lightner books)
Idk tho it doesn't help that it's oppressively hot recently
You lost me at "I could see my watch" after describing him in his pajamas in this one. Nobody wears their watch in bed, way too easy to either hurt yourself in your sleep.
I’ve gone to sleep with kitting needles and actual scissors in my bed, don’t underestimate stupid
I went to sleep cuddling my open computer, I woke up with my hand grabbing the screen tightly so it won’t fall. I know people who sleep with their inconvenient jewelery so this is plausible if you sleep like the dead and nothing bothers you.
I literally never take off my watch
Eh, Ive fallen asleep with my watch on plenty of times. Granted a lot of those times i was also falling asleep in my khakis and hadn't changed into my pajamas before conking out, but this is still very possible if you change clothes earlier in the evening. Also im guessing it was more of a plastic sports watch with little to no pointy edges.
I remember reading a two sentence short story of someone waking up in a coffin and being buried alive. 😊
accidently open box. :|
the box comes back for revenge 0.o
BRUH SILAZER AND MYSTERIOUS GUY REALLY JUST BET ON WHETHER OR NOT VINCENT WOULD FRICKEN LIVE
haha fucking Peter Lukas easter egg
where did he show up before this again? I forgot, so many names to keep track of
Anyone listening in 2024? 😊
Yep
interesting The 19th of January the day she got out of the box was the same day I got cut out of a womb
Wichita? That’s exotic?
It is when you’re British lol
i was reading the transcript for pageturner after mary keay's statement and i noticed grbookworm1818 mentioned there and i was like omg gertrude robinson?????? AND I WAS RIGHT
Remind me when wad salesa mentioned before??
“Piecemeal”, “Lost and Found”, and “Blood Bag”
I’m pretty sure those are the only times he’s been mentioned so far, apart from this episode, of course. :)
@@TheNitpickChick thanks
@@TheNitpickChick Blood Bag??
@@Alexthealright episode 45. It’s the one about the mosquitos. 🙂
@@TheNitpickChick No I Mean Where Was Salsas
"Near my head, near my head."
wow a magical getting shipped in a crate to china simulator
Wait... Is this the same crate the only smart guy had in his appartment?
The one with the orange juice?
nah cuz that guy hada coffin
WICHITA MENTION WOOOOO
Remember empty boxes?
YO MY NAMES VINCENT :DD
She was trying to buy WHAT??? 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
CALL 999 NOW!!!!!!!DO IT NOW, NOW!!!!!
12:51
Chills
Wichita?
Encomenda simulator
Here's to another ruined career