As a gay man growing up Catholic, going to Catholic school, being an altar boy, I can say honestly Cade is so well spoken and his overall assessment of his life in the Catholic Church is spot on. He expressed his true experience growing up gay in the Catholic Church without criticizing or vilifying his church. He did a lot better than I would’ve. I have no tolerance for organized religion or the Catholic Church in particular. I’ll refrain from my personal opinions of the Catholic Church, but I will say that a number of its faithful, who preach through their actions not their words, have gained my respect during my lifetime.
John 3:3 King James Version 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
I’m in the Arlington Diocese. The first time I was ever exposed to adult material on a computer was in a rectory. But I slowly learned that these priests are trying to unpack difficult things. We should not condemn them. Nor should we pretend they are perfect. It’s ok to be a Christian on the way, and having not already arrived perfect.
Wait I saw this guy randomly on my feed yesterday and I watched his video in awe! When I saw him pop up on my feed this morning I thought I was having dejavú. But when I saw it was under this podcast I rushed to click play His story parallels my story so much. And he is a great storyteller. The next guy you should bring in is Darius son of RUclips famous BLove. He actually touches the science of being gay and has a very practical outlook.
I joined a seminary in 1971/72 to cover up my sexuality as Cade said …by the end of the second year I was an emotional wreck so I decided to leave ..I confided in one of the mentors who was neutral in his advice and didn’t help …it wasn’t till I left I realised I had left the biggest closet in the world and that the mentor I spoke to was gay and was sexually active …I consider myself an atheist now
It seem odd to me that whatever we claim our creator to be, that they would make you to be a certain way, but then deny you the right to live that way. Either there is no God or He has a crewel streak. I've compared it to creating a dog and giving it a great desire to bark, but then punishing it every time it barks. Somewhere out there, there is someone that is longing for your love and dedication...and perhaps vice versa. I'm 74 years old and heavily lean toward traditional Catholicism, but I hate it at the same time and that's a hell of a position to be in. I went to confession once to admit a same sex activity that I was ashamed of at the time. I went to seek God's forgiveness but the priest told me that although God understands all things, there was no way He could forgive that sin. He did end up giving me absolution but I never felt forgiven. That caused the greatest trauma and I felt a total rejection. That's been 35 years ago and I haven't been to confession again since and don't plan to. I've asked God many times to heal the damage that was done to me but nothing ever happens and I don't expect it to either. You make some very interesting points in your story and I wish you the very best in your life.
I’m so sorry that happened to you. That priest was incorrect; the Catholic Church is crystal clear that there is only 1 unforgivable sin: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (it’s actually very difficult to commit; and involves on purpose committing a heinous specifically to spite God) I feel the devil was speaking through that priest; he’s the one who try’s to convince people that God won’t forgive them.
In the Catholic faith there is something called “an act of pure contrition” that can act in place of absolution. It’s when you come to god in repentance for a sin not because you’re afraid of punishment; but because you’re truly sorry for having hurt God. Listen to the song Miserere Mei Deus with subtitles; (psalm 51). King David did a very very very bad thing. That song (psalm) is him coming to the Lord in an act of pure contrition.
OMG YESSSSSSS I literally discovered both of your channels this past week and love both of you!! This is an amazing video and I haven't watched a single second of it yet.
Of course, it's a pleasure to encounter a super bright and articulate man who is happy and working to treasure and grow intentionally with his partner. Myself, i grew up in Protestant Christianity and was never as intellectually sharp and trained. For me, since i chose to be a Christian, it's always been about my love for Jesus and my need to connect with authentic Christian community. At some point, i experienced the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and in my 30s, i joined the RCIA group at a progressive and vibrant Jesuit Catholic church. We were 50 in the RCIA group in September and 48 of us made it through the two scrutinies to the Easter Vigil the following spring when i became a member of the Roman Catholic Church. I knew that homosexual people are "intrinsically disordered" according to official Church teaching but i was fully encouraged to join (in contrast to Cade's rejection to become a priest because he was same-sex attraction.). I was led to believe there would always be a place for me in the Catholic community. The reality is more nuanced that Cade's hardcore group. Cade in a big way had it lucky. He joined an ultra-Conservative part of the Church that today exists in great tension with Pope Francis over the Latin Mass, for example. He made his way to a very black and white group that then allowed him perhaps to quickly look honestly at the teachings of the Church. At any rate, i am a Christian and it looks like i will die a Christian. I'm more complicated than Cade. Lately, i'm realised that always i will remain on the periphery of the Catholic Church as a gay man, despite the fact that there are plenty of Catholic groups made up of actively gay men and women (e.g., Dignity and Fr Jim Martin's world). Recently, i begrudgingly have become a part of an Episcopal Eucharistic Communty that treasures fully the gifts of everyone, including women and queer people in the life of the community. It's a community that wants to get it right, that supports one another and holds each other accountable to the Gospel. The Body of Christ assembled reflects the Really Present Body of Christ in the Eucharist. Religion is a tricky thing but right now i'm finding a home with this community. I've NEVER had the idea that Chrirstianity exists just to keep me from murdering others. There are plenty of awesome people who devote their lives to others who are not Christian. For me it's a chance to live out life in community on our journey with Christ into the Kingdom. Cade is bright and healthy and i wish him peace and continued success in his endeavors. I guess i'm still needy and complicated. Cade is blessed with the ability to see through things clearly.; he has an excellent mind. Maybe, though, my inability to see things so black and white keeps me in relationship with Christian community. I sure appreciate this video and Cade's willingness to share his compelling story.
John 3:3 King James Version 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
@@repent6238 I’m assuming this is a homophobic comment if it is god is suppose to be a LOVING god so you should think to spread kindness instead of these indirect comments of bible verses.
@@repent6238 Do you know how dangerous it is to say "person of venerance said its true so it has to be true"? Does your brain not tickle with more than that explanation?
So glad i've found your channel through this video. You got a new subscriber. :) I find Cade's story very relatable as a gay man who is catholic myself. I just want to comment regarding what Cade says at 23:34 regarding the chruch being infallible. There is a lot of misconception about the infallibility of the church. Actually the catholic church has never claimed to be infallible, but there is a teaching on the magisterium or what is otherwise called the infallibility of the pope (not the church). I'm not going to go into detail but it doesn't mean that the pope cannot err or do no wrong thing. In fact, the church has gotten a lot of teachings wrong numerous times in history! To name a few: the church changed its position on slavery (it was for it before!!!), the teaching on limbo, pope john paul ii, said sorry for excommunicating galileo after 350 years for saying that the sun is the center of the solar system (not the earth, which was the widely accepted belief back then, how it had religious connections, i leave to you to research. haha). I guess my point is, as a gay catholic, i still choose to be with the church not because it is perfect or that it's teachings are all correct. But because the community and support it provides is valuable to me. I hope all gays in the church find your peace and happines - inside the church or otherwise. More power to you Cade, and to this channel. Sources: The Catholic Church's biggest reversals: foreignpolicy.com/2008/11/01/the-list-the-catholic-churchs-biggest-reversals/ Galileo was right: www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/world/after-350-years-vatican-says-galileo-was-right-it-moves.html
the Church will never "reverse" on the teaching on homosexuality. Thinking it will and proclaiming it does (not saying you are) will only lead people to a false hope.
@@classicworks0316 i agree with you 100%. That's why it's important to have real expectations on the church regarding that. it always makes me sad to think that teaching in homosexuality isn't going to change. call me brainwashed but i cannot imagine leaving the church.
Napoleon threatened the Catholic Church to a French Cardinal. The Cardinal wished him luck saying if the Church itself with all of its faults could not destroy itself, no single man could do it.
Great episode. I have so much respect for this guy and the confidence he has in himself and his story, especially at such a young age. It's wild to me. Best of luck to him.
Wish I'd had his smarts and good heart when I was his age. I like him stressing that morality is based on shared fellow feeling. I'd like to add that's how religion got its morality, not the other way around.
Such is the life for most religious people that are gay. Funny enough for me, I get accused so often of not wanting to be religious because I'm gay, but I knew god was nothing more than a concept humans invented to cope with reality being so harsh and life being so hard long before I knew I was gay. Even if I was straight, I would still know with absolute certainty that there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. I'm so sick and tired of people that base their worldview on a stupid book written 3100 years ago, and not by going out into the world and seeing people themselves. You've got to allow yourself to live and get to know people before you judge them. It really is that simple.
Yes, it's a shitty thing to go through. The worst about it is that you exactly know what is right and what you want to choose (God), but it sometimes seems almost impossible to actually choose it.
Cade's story is truly awesome. Choosing life instead of a book story. I am not sure if Cade will see this, or even care. but your relationship will organically grow advice and coaching from others is good and helpful, but there is no black and white with any relationship. take advice but let it grow and evolve organically Be most happy with groth. this is from a 63 YO life long gay man. Be well your entire life.
This young guy is smart, articulate and handsome. In my experience of being gay and Catholic is very different than his. The Church is not black and white! It’s a community of individuals on a journey. The fact that he joined up with an extreme group of Latin mass an ultra conservative small group of extreme catholics. They are a small minority in the Church. It is an insight into this young mans needs. Catholic are Christians. He could be part of Christianity if he wanted to. Th Christian Church is huge and welcoming to all walks of life Lastly, he is giving out dating and relationship advice? Really? He had been in a relationship for a year? I think i will pass on his advice. His understanding of Catholicism is blinded by his black and white understanding of faith. I wish him success in his endeavors.
I completely agree with you. Cade is very well spoken and intelligent. His study of Catholicism was so extreme. Catholicism is not black and white. I have many friends that are gay and Catholic. I love them so much. Cade, you can still be happy with Trek and have religion in your life.
As an excatholic gay man who also went to seminary, thank you for your testimony. Ive found my peace by taking the beautiful, throwing out the ugly or unsatisfactory, and allowing myself to find peace without the Roman church
@@calson814He wrote without the Roman church, not without God. Not saying he believes in God, but he didn't say either way on that. Catholics sometimes think there is no truth apart from them. Such a putting head in a hole approach for those who do.
@@RobPinionYes you're right he did not say "not without God". If a person left the Church, he/she left Christ too. I know we catholics talks alot about the Truth. But the truth is that we do have the Fullness of the Truth and we do not say that "only we have the truth" NO.
I did exactly the same thing as Cade . I joined the ultra-conservative Roman Catholic Order called The Legionaries of Christ. I’m so glad I left . I’m now openly Gay and Jewish .
No judgement but my understanding is we transcend religion… once you understand what God is and love is what’s important you know how to be religiously in your life.
Don’t seek religion. Can you still Seek God and abandon religion? I think so. After all it’s about relationship with him. Internally. He is your Father/creator. He longs for you to seek him. He will accept you as you are. All the rules…none of us are perfect at & will never be. If you were once a person of faith, I would imagine that you would find yourself still turning to him without rejection. He loves you still I think the church has failed us. And that in itself may be the Bibles purpose. He can only be found within. The church should only be a place to point us to him. *AND I say that without believing His intent is to make you straight! Simply that you talk to Him brings him joy. I don’t want to change my daughter. I love her just the way she is. I do believe we are ever changing and hopefully refining our character. That is the way of life. But that is different, I don’t need her to be with a man to love her.
As a lapsed Catholic I have always been sorry not to have been born into an Anglican/Episcopalian family because in general they treat their religion as a pleasant side issue in their lives.
@@williamstringer6519 We welcome you in the Episcopal Church ... any time. I have often wondered how much less stressful it would have been to grow up within the Anglican communion (at least in the western world.)
John 3:3 King James Version 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
What Cade described is the same situation with divorced and remarried Catholics who are without a Church annullment. Neither can they receive communion . So basically gays and divorced and remarried Catholics are welcomed at mass and loved by many priests and congregants. The sad thing is the hierarchy treats these people like second class citizens without saying it.
Not only them but children of divorced parents, gay parents, and single parent households were not allowed to be considered for priesthood. Not anymore but it's still enforced.
I don’t know if this means anything to you. But regardless of the church Cade is definitely walking in his God given purpose (with the podcast, running, etc.) and it is evident that he will continue to walk in it in his current and next pursuits.
like Cade i also at one point thought i wanted to be a priest, but it was only to run away from the "same sex attraction" thankfully it did not happen but i realized i suppressed so much of who i was. I would sometimes go and kneel and try to pray the gay away... i would often cry... ironically enough it was two priests who helped me come to my senses and get out of the catholic church. I am still single but no longer struggling and hating myself just for being gay. It's awsome that Cade found himself very early in life instead of going thru years of struggling as a closeted self hating catholic.
This is very similar to the Conservative evangelical views on the subject. I spent 15 years in a church, worked 12 years in ministry work. And I stayed single, and I found that they don't treat single people as good as they treat married people, though they wouldn't say that out loud, that was the outcome. I did try marrying a girl, but thankfully that fell through, because I was in denial I fear that that marriage would have been miserably. Like the hosts, I'm amazed that he's 22 and already figured all this out
I went to Catholic school for all 12 years as well as going to Catholic Church almost every week. When I was growing up we had many " flamboyant " priests and brothers and many masculine looking and acting nuns and yet nobody seemed to be able to put 2 and 2 together. And at the Catholic high school I went to they have been in the news in the last few years because of firing both the principle and a long time English teacher when it was discovered that they were gay . And yet I still get constant mail asking for me to donate money to the school . I could really go on a long rant but I won't . But the hypocrisy , yikes !
You might want to look at the Episcopal Church which is very Catholic, but open to gays who serve with distinction. The high Anglican Tradition has the Anglo-Catholic tradition, but also open to gay persons. You might want to explore.
Where can I listen to his podcast with the long term gay relationships? I want to listen. Been with my husband for 12 years now, 7 married. I would love to hear it!
Hi Cade. Very impressed. Have you read any of James Alison's books? He's a gay Catholic priest who believes the Catechism is wrong on same sex relationships. Also Frederic Martel on the closet of the Vatican.
A lot is being said about relationships here. I am Jewish thus take it with a grain of salt. I thought the Catholic Church frown upon relationships of any kind for its priests and leaders. Not just SSA (same sex attraction) but any kind. As to the followers, I don't think the Church cares which orientation you follow. They will not perform a gay wedding but if you are gay and leaving with another man, they still will receive you in their messes and church activities. Here in Chicago, there one priest that I know very well. I am sure everyone that has talked with him thinks he is gay. He has one of those personality that no closet can hold it. At the best of my knowledge, he is fine among other priests and the followers really enjoy his messes. BTW I have had two or more priests telling me that I look good in their eyes and we both knew what he was talking about.
If you are a closeted LGBTQ+ Roman Catholic, and discerning the call to the priesthood, consider converting to certain denominations in Protestantism, for example the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), The Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, the United Church of Christ, and now the United Methodist Church that are all LGBTQ+ affirming. You can both freely live out your sexual orientation, AND your call to ordered service in the Church.
Oh wow. Looove this. I have a story: i was out, then I joined a cult for 23 years and became “straight,” then had to come out again. What a horrible burden. But free now.
I chased Jesus and the moment I sought after building my relationship with Christ instead of chasing religion, only then did my same sex attraction diminish. Now I’m happily married to a woman.
The Catholic Church has a lot of beauty. At the same time, the Catholic Church has changed over the last 30 years on gays and lesbians. When I came out in 1998 as a gay divorced man, there was little tolerance from the Church. Being celebate for your entire life is nonsense. However, there are Catholic priests over that period who have been understanding and have been supportive of gay men and lesbians having sexual relations. Yet, the Catholic Church still continues its policies opposing gays and lesbians.
@Jeremy-wp4yh The Bible does state that a man should not sleep with another man from what we have interpreted today. It is highly probable that the author felt that gay sex would decrease the birth rate. The world had a lot fewer people 2,000 years ago, and very few babies survived to one years old. The author wanted the Earth's population to grow. Yet, the Bible does not mention that it is sinful for a woman to sleep with another woman. Why? The 40 authors of the Bible wrote passages based upon what they knew during those times and what they thought God would want. The male author for that passage about sex between men was unable to fathom that two women could have sex. Biblical scholars agree that man wrote the Bible, not God. We have hundreds of Christian faiths with a variety of interpretations of the Bible. I do not believe God would want us to spend hours guessing what he wanted or the meaning of Biblical stories. Some books that were intended to for the Bible were never added. Who made the decision about what books were meant for the Bible? The Catholic Bible is not the same as the St. James version of the Bible. What are the reasons for that?
@@kirkmarusak7800 I'm not catholic, so I cannot speak on catholicism. However, there are several other scriptures that speak on marriage and relationships. It's very clear that the Bible does not condone SS relations.
@Jeremy-wp4yh Since man rather than God wrote the Bible in Biblical times, it does not make sense to treat those passages as the literal word of God. Pastor Stan Mitchell of Nashville used to condemn homosexuality during his sermons. He would regularly precide over the funerals of gay and lesbian teenagers in his congregation who had committed suicide. Mitchell finally figured out that he was the cause of their deaths through his words on Sundays. Applying every passage of the Bible literally does not make sense when young people end up killing themselves over their sexual orientation. I am a man who is gay and was once married to a woman. The Bible can be beneficial to people's lives. But urging gay and lesbian people to live a life of a heterosexual based upon the words of the Bible often results in pain to everyone around them. Just ask the former spouses of gay men and lesbian women how they feel about those Biblical passages on homosexuality.
So many times I’ve gotten on here to comment in the middle of your video and have had to delete my questions because I have not got to the end. Once again, I’ve not listened to the whole thing, but I was raised Catholic and, by the way, I am not gay. I am a straight mom With a gay daughter, but in my childhood, there was a wonderful priest in our parish and one day he was just gone vanished. I heard that he confessed that he wanted to date women. Which was breaking his vow of celibacy. So if you change your mind or if life changes, things change, you are let go. Basically the contract becomes void. Kind of like changing jobs. It could just be time to move on. Hopefully they are still friendly, loving and accepting toward you. They present the vow of celibacy as a law and if broken there are consequences. I think you can seek God and abandon religion. He is your Father after all.
Jesus (Yeshua) embraced the LGBTQI community. This is evident when he cured the centurions beloved slave. All these truths are in the Gospel of Thomas. I was Catholic, now I know the truth of what Yeshua taught, now I have a real relationship with Him.
To bad you weren't in my SoCal parish: "ALL ARE WELCOME." We have an official LGBTQ+ ministry that receives $10k for outreach, education, etc. Our Monsignor can now bless same-sex marriages. Your experience seems so foreign to my Catholic experience.
You are not in a Catholic Church if they are blessing "same sex marriages". The sacrament of marriage is a lifelong partnership of the whole of life, of mutual and exclusive fidelity, established by mutual consent between one man and one woman, and ordered towards the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring. If the priests at your church are confused about the definition and sacrament of marriage and are also confusing the faithful, this is a problem and a big red flag. What other sacraments are they misunderstanding?
Yes. In the catholic faith. Its known as excommunication. And its in every faith. But grace and mercy and forgiveness is given once you confess and then jump through hoops I would call it. But after all that, your hiding again. And to me, if your comfortable with what your doing then excommunication means nothing. So to speak. My opinion
I have been bi (same sex attracted) since i was 10 years old but never engaged in anal sex. I grew up in the church and i will never deny my faith even as the church doesn’t support or help with my attractions. I grow in the grace and mercy of the Lord every day with this attraction i have. But, instead of being single to stay in line with church teachings, how about accepting that the New Testament view on any relationship forbids sexual activity outside of monogamous hetero marriage, called “porneia “. That’s very challenging when same sex attraction seems natural and never ending. The Bible specifically calls out “catamite” (effeminate, passive, submissive, bottom) and “sodomite” (dominant, top) . But there are many loving same sex relationships in the Bible that are not sexual. David and Jonathan loved each other passionately with love more than that of a woman. John reclined on Jesus chest. And many others who showed deep affection for the same sex. Modern church (19th century) changed these specific words to the generic homosexual. This is not biblically accurate. You can be in a loving, affectionate same sex relationship and not engage in anal sex. The sex part is what determines sodomite/catamite or not. Well, that’s my view anyway.
The problem is that the Catholic Church and Christian religion preach falsehoods and their scriptures are in error. To let these institutions and books created purely by ancient men be a guide on morality, science, government or anything of importance would be a grave mistake.
My understanding of the Bible is that it condemns predatory, dishonoring exploitation (αρσενοκοίται) and craven moral cowardice and self-debasement (μαλακοί), not merely being a top or bottom, as we use those terms today. The Greek words are morally loaded, not neutral descriptions of physical acts. In the modern day (esp. with lube) anal sex can be mutually loving, pleasurable, and co-submissive. I transitioned to female, so dating a man wouldn't even necessarily be "gay" for me. 😇🏳⚧⚧
John 3:3 King James Version 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
@@frannynet553 homosexual is a word that was added to the Bible in the 1800’s, so based on that i agree. The original Greek doesn’t have that word but focuses on porneia (a general word for sexual immorality), sodomite and catamite. If someone hasn’t had gay sex then i would question if they are actually gay or just same sex attracted. We just have to use the correct biblical terms and words.
Cade the catholic church and the priesthood are evil you are perfect as who you are as what god made you a handsome young gay man and as a fellow gay guy i am happy you accept your truth and i wish you the best
Praying for this beautiful young man. Our entire society is totally f*cked y’all. Everything we’ve been taught is totally upside down. Watch Fr. Rippergers 6th Generation talk. I can see why the enemy pursued him hard. He had incredible potential to be an amazing priest. Maybe still could be someday. When he said he felt he had to choose between God, and a higher good; I almost wept. There is no higher good than God. He was deceived in to choosing a lesser good. (Romantic relationship, desires of the flesh) “who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” Honoring your parents is in the commandments; and here Jesus is telling us that if faced with choice between blood relationships and relationship with God; God is the higher choice. He doesn’t promise us happiness; he says we “must die to ourselves”; and “pick up your cross and follow me” 😢✝️ I love you all so much; praying for us all.
He is an excellent speaker. He puts it plainly. He decided he wouldn’t be single. So he gave up on Gods word as truth so he can have a possibility and companionship that could or could no work out. That remains a fact regardless if you believe the practice of homosex is wrong or right.
I missed the liturgy of the hours so I ended up needing to make a simple one of my own. I did so by finding passage from books, poems, quotes I liked and organizing them. Don't try to do it all at once. Start with a morning, evening and night "prayer" then focus on building out the week. Don't rush it don't try to do it all at once. Leaving that type of structure can be hard.
How intelligent. Wow. He would be Bishop or Cardinal material. Married here with gay attraction. Great children and grands; love the family life. Conservative Catholic too. Obviously goes to Confession. What Cade missed is that each Catholic is ultimately responsible for his own beliefs, his own conscience. The Church was established for us; we are not created for the Church. Where did he pick up the Church thinks it is infallible. Wrong dude. The Church does not say where everyone goes after death. Judge not...He took took all or nothing to a peculiar level.
Excuse me, what do you mean by 'married with gay attraction'? You're in a gay marriage? Don't tell me you're in a straight marriage and dragged a poor woman into a deceitful lie where you pretend to be sexually attracted to her when you're not? ...Unbelievable..
Cade, you have superior intelligence. What you do not have, and you shall, is maturity. Just try to keep your thinking open in regard to Jesus. Believe it or not talking about Jesus so much now, even saying you are disbelieving Him, pleases Him and makes Him happy as you continue to think about Him. You have a long life ahead of you. God's love is always there. Wish you well. Life is not easy.
Interesting that Cade was rejected from the monastic life just because of your attractions, when so many priests are gay and there are openly gay priests now (celibate ones). As a gay Catholic, I am actually at odds with Cade about clarity and the all-or-nothing aspect. I find it frustrating how unclear a lot of the teachings are, and how we are supposed to reconcile the Church's belief in progressive revelation with the idea that current teaching has authority. You mention how it is clear who goes to hell and who doesn't, but I actually think it's really murky. The Church teaches that believing cannot guarantee salvation, and that a mortal sin can send you to tell but only if you have full knowledge and cooperation, and sometimes strong emotion or mental health issues that impede that, and St. Faustina believed everyone has a chance to repent when/after their die in this spacetime outside spacetime. And also, there is massive diversity of belief within Catholic tradition and across different segments of the Church - for example, with the teachings on abortion and usury changing over time and with the German bishops wants to recognized same-sex relationships while the African bishops thinking gay sex should be a jailable offence (neither of which are official church teaching). And I also know that the Church teaches that the sacraments are barred to people "in mortal sin" but we all know that the Church in practice regularly gives the sacraments to people who should be excommunicated under Canon law, such as politicians who are openly in support of abortion. I relate a lot with the male host about needing to be honest about the intense love you can experience through religion and the Church specifically, and not being sure about how to do that while also acknowledging it is also connected to a lot of bad stuff. And somehow it is easy to accept when a Muslim or Buddhist say they have had a deep experience of the divine without perfect theology, but it's harder to accept when it comes to you - even when your religion teaches that it doesn't know everything.
I didn't always have a positive relationship with religion, yet I still maintain a bit of faith, but yeah I'm going through exactly what buddy went through, if I choose to live in my truth I'd be choosing my sexuality over religion. In my community, there's no in-between.
Well you could always just realize that your community doesn't and shouldn't get to dictate how you live your life. If you want to be in a loving same-sex relationship and be religious, there's nothing illegal about that. Your church may kick you out, but that would be their problem, not yours. As an analogy, imagine if you were married to someone, and then one day you decided to start playing golf as a hobby. Imagine your partner responding to that by telling you that golf is wrong to them, and if you don't stop playing golf they're going to leave you. You understand there's nothing wrong with playing golf, so do you stop just to appease your partner's irrational feelings? Or do you refuse to give up a part of yourself that makes you happy and doesn't harm anyone, just because your partner wants you to? I get that when you've been with someone or a group of people for a long time, the thought of leaving that person or group can be scary. But if this person or group of people are making unreasonable and irrational demands of you in order to stay with them, I think you have every right to prioritize your own well-being and mental health. Some people or groups of people aren't worth sticking around with. Better to be alone and happy than surrounded by people that make you miserable.
@@scottmoore7588I feel like In a religious context they can just say “you don’t love God enough to give up your desires, you will get enteral life, Gods love is everlasting and this is only temporary, you should choose God over everything else, devils temptation,” etc.. there are many celibate Christians who sacrifice this part of themselves for God. They could simply say you just don’t love God enough to give this up for him, it was too much for you, you rather give into your temptation than Gods will etc.. so I don’t see this actually going anywhere.
@@nylalyris I don't really know if I understand your last sentence, but yeah, the way christians use the Bible to coerce people into living a life that they find approvable is extremely disgusting behavior. You don't see gay people trying to coerce christians into not being christians. Yet ironically enough, Christians have always been harming gay people more than the reverse. Seriously, why do christians care so much if gay people stay gay? How is it harming them? As you said, they'll often appeal to missing out on heaven and facing the threat of eternal damnation, but both of those are concepts that christians came up with. Christians are essentially saying "You should stop being gay because god's going to punish you for that", and it's like, cool, if god wants to come down and actually put his money where his mouth is, then we can talk. But as it stands, all we're being given are empty threats. I'm fairly certain if I went to a christian's house and told them that god said they had to give me all their money or he'd burn them for eternity, they'd laugh me off their doorstep. So why they think gay people should take them seriously is beyond me.
@@nylalyris I don't really know if I understand your last sentence, but yeah, the way christians use the Bible to coerce people into living a life that they find approvable is extremely disgusting behavior. You don't see gay people trying to coerce christians into not being christians. Yet ironically enough, Christians have always been harming gay people more than the reverse. Seriously, why do christians care so much if gay people stay gay? How is it harming them? As you said, they'll often appeal to missing out on heaven and facing the threat of eternal damnation, but both of those are concepts that christians came up with. Christians are essentially saying "You should stop being gay because god's going to punish you for that", and it's like, cool, if god wants to come down and actually put his money where his mouth is, then we can talk. But as it stands, all we're being given are empty threats. I'm fairly certain if I went to a christian's house and told them that god said they had to give me all their money or he'd burn them for eternity, they'd laugh me off their doorstep. So why they think gay people should take them seriously is beyond me.
@@nylalyris I don't really know if I understand your last sentence, but yeah, the way christians use the Bible to coerce people into living a life that they find approvable is extremely disgusting behavior.
Cade reminds me so much of Timothée Chalamet. He doesn't really look like him, but has such a similar aura. I wonder whether anyone else has noticed this... or is it just me 😊
Accept your GAY SELF and then go to church. Mind your own business at church (Don't show up wearing a GAY FLAG). Give thanks to God etc, etc. Then go home. TA DAH! God and you are pleased.
I tried being a pastor as a woman and the devil said no ie life events . I am low income my car is about to fail ie parents car no more cars from them and I can’t add a car bought. I might get my parents car it’s paid off but it’s old no guarantee it survives a few yrs. I am moving into town and my church requires a car bus won’t go there
If one is in a Radical Traditionalist group one is hardly really in the Church. I converted to Theravada Buddhism but my divorce from the Church writ large is not quite so stark. I don't want to return but the Church as a whole is not as starkly black and white as your experience.
33:48 - actually, we Catholics do believe this too! You can be gay and still strive to live as a Christian. I respect the interviewee here for his authenticity and honesty. I also would like for you to interview other people who might be able to provide a contrasting perspective both in Catholicism and Christianity: Kim Zember and Pieter Valk are their names!
Yes and no. Ppl w same-sex attraction per canon law cannot marry to the opposite sex or participate in priesthood or religious life. They cannot be put in teaching positions, and they are only allowed to do up to 4 hours of heavily supervised ministry a day. They have NO place in 5he Catholic church, they will not have a place. As am excatholic gay former seminarian I understood so much because it echoed my own experience.
@@Jamesjoseph626no. All you have said applies to people who are acting on their same-sex attraction with another person, not with those who remain celibate.
@mattie_dubs thank you for your contribution, father, though I no longer am catholic I do still greatly respect men of the cloth, even those that cast me out. They will have their come uppamce for vengeance is min saith the Lord.
John 3:3 King James Version 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
You might want to find and connect to Dean Willis; retired from Canterbury & has a relationship with a partner & could perhaps help you find a Catholic perspective to serve as a gay priest openly in a very Catholic tradition.
The Catholic Church is definitely misunderstood in many ways....in what appears to be this major rules that are so black and white or will get you kicked out, are actually healthy boundaries leading to a deeper inner freedom and helping one detach from disordered desires. It teaches true love for every human & values every human, just not necessarily tolerating every action which can hurt humans in the long run. There's a difference between freedom & relief.
OK, so if im hearing this correctly you put down your cross and gave up on catholicism because you were told you could not become a priest ? To me it sounds like you let your pride get in the way of your faith. I WILL NOT SERVE ! sounds a lot like an angel that let his pride get in the way of serving the GOD MAN because he was to be human. If God wanted you to become a priest believe me YOU WOULD BECOME A PRIEST as long as you accepted the vocation. Did you ever think that maybe it was a test to see how much you wanted it ? how long would you fight for ? I personally think it was a way to weed out the ones that deep down will not pick up their cross daily and follow him. If you gave up on God because you were told no to becoming a priest ,then ask yourself how deep was your faith ? i'm not here to judge but there are lots of things i want in life but i would never give up on my faith because i was told no . As for being gay or same sex attracted THAT SIR IS YOUR CROSS ....you have a choice to make . You can pick up your cross or choose not to . I find a lot of people say "it's not fair " what i was dealt in life is unfair. NOBODY'S cross is light. When people find that its "unfair" and choose not to pick up that heavy cross i find they go looking for man made religions that will say YES WE BELIEVE IN JESUS however feel free to put that heavy cross down and be gay . Life is much easier when you are the rule maker yet say oh yes i follow JESUS. People forget that life here is 60 ,70 maybe 80 or 90 years long. They think i want to be happy and enjoy life. Once you take that last breath, those 90 years will pale in comparison to eternity . Believe me i'm not judging nor am i saying i'm better. I lived your opposite life. I was far from the church for decades. I came back because i knew my faith was worth it and i'd rather pick up my cross daily than deal with the results after for eternity. Being same sex attracted or 'GAY" if you will isn't easy, neither is being born blind or an amputee. The priests we need in todays world are ones who are strong in their faith and will not go searching for an easy way out.
Reading your first sentence, you didn't actually listen to Cade at all. Why'd you waste your time if you didn't want to listen? He realised, rightfully, that religion is harmful to society, especially for LGBT people.
First, it sounds like Cade has some misunderstandings about Catholicism and he tends to be a black and white thinker who is presenting the Catholic Church as black and white, but it's not. When it comes to the sexual ethics of the Catholic Church, they apply to everyone regardless of whether one experiences same sex attraction, opposite sex attraction, or both. The purpose of sex is both procreative and unitive, and is only to be done in marriage. Yes, it's a hard teaching. But God's laws are for human flourishing. Stop and think about how our our hyper sexed, porn-filled culture would change if people actually followed this teaching. If people only engaged in sex when in a loving bond, committed for life, and dedicated to the care and well being of their children, it would have significant benefits for society. Abortion would become obsolete. Divorce, which is devastating for children and many adults, would also become obsolete. Single parenthood, which is really hard on the parent and the children, would decrease significantly. People who are not built for marriage do not have to merely pursue hedonistic pleasures - they can instead use their gifts to love others in friendship, in brotherhood, sisterhood, and engage in activities that help the community. There are many Catholics who do this. Some become consecrated virgins. They do not join the priesthood, the monastics, nor the convents, but they dedicate themselves to God and take vows of chastity and live and work just like everybody else. There are some people in the Church who were in same sex relationships prior to becoming Catholic but have now chosen to live chastely with the person they love, and they live together and care for each other, just without the sex. David Morrison, a former gay activist, wrote a book about this called "Beyond Gay". David Morrison is an example of someone who found a way to stay in a fulfilling relationship with a man while also staying in full communion with the Catholic Church. Cade chose to hide his attractions and pretended to be something he wasn't. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if he had been more honest and told people that he was experiencing same sex attraction but trying his best to live in accordance with God's designs for sex. We all struggle with sexual sin, regardless of who we are attracted to, and the Catholic Church offers help for everyone who struggles with sexual sin, and she also offers radical love and mercy. Could the Church do better? Of course. She is not perfect, she is full of sinners, but there are good reasons for these teachings on sex. Go back and read how the pagans treated women and children. It was awful. Christians changed all of that for the better, and now people are trying to reverse it and we see the consequences. Online porn, sex trafficking, fatherlessness, abortion, and divorce have all gotten worse since the sexual revolution.
Traditional Catholic options for all humans regardless of gender or orientation: 1. Marry someone of the opposite sex 2 Marry Jesus (religious vows) 3. Celibate single life The reason comes down to the purpose for which God created sex. Study that deeply and everything makes sense.Read the Old Testament (it’s actually hilarious). God strikes a guy dead for pulling out 😂 Most Catholics have completely strayed from the Church’s teaching, and I can see why young SSA wouldn’t put up with the hypocrisy. If people were following the faith, it’d be easier because everyone is suffering.
God is a tiny bit more lenient on illicit hetro s*x bc there’s still the possibility of creation of life (which is the purpose of sex according to God) But this is why sodomy is a no-no even for married couples. Contraceptives are a no-no. SS acts. Self-stimulation. Any non-reproductive form of sexual expression cuts God out of the equation and is a form of idolatry. it’s fine for a while but the society implodes.
Catholicism: the religion of ceremonies, vestments, catechisms is not a peoples' religion. Jesus was all about people: love, charity, acceptance!!! Their toleration of gay people is strictly Middle Ages: circa 1500! Religion needs to modernize (there was a transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament) and that transition was Jesus !! The Catholic Church is too mired in the Middle Ages to ever change!!!
Hmm... I was an intensely religious Evangelical incel for 20 years. When repression and gender dysphoria got to be so bad that I realized my whole life was falling apart, I seriously considered converting to Orthodoxy or Catholicism (found a local, very conservative, Byzantine Catholic church), to totally lean into enforced celibacy and self-shaming. I even tried dating a girl who was converting to Catholicism (which was a huge deal for me). But... when we tried to make out, it felt so wrong, somehow that experience finally broke through to me that I must not be straight, and might not even be a real "man" at all. Anyway, now I'm 3 years into medical gender transition, and have radically deconstructed my faith, thank God! 😇🏳⚧⚧
Good grief. I'm not sure I've ever seen such a well spoken, introspective, and clearly intelligent 21 year old. Wise well beyond his years.
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Yes, mature and introspective.
I was going to say! I honestly wish i had him as friend when I was first coming out.
There are plenty of smart, well spoken people who mislead others.
As a gay man growing up Catholic, going to Catholic school, being an altar boy, I can say honestly Cade is so well spoken and his overall assessment of his life in the Catholic Church is spot on. He expressed his true experience growing up gay in the Catholic Church without criticizing or vilifying his church. He did a lot better than I would’ve. I have no tolerance for organized religion or the Catholic Church in particular. I’ll refrain from my personal opinions of the Catholic Church, but I will say that a number of its faithful, who preach through their actions not their words, have gained my respect during my lifetime.
🙏 I try to be fair, but like you, the Catholic Church boils my blood
John 3:3
King James Version
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
What an amazing, articulate young man! Wishes for happiness and love for him on his journey! I look forward to listening to his podcast.
I’m in the Arlington Diocese. The first time I was ever exposed to adult material on a computer was in a rectory. But I slowly learned that these priests are trying to unpack difficult things. We should not condemn them. Nor should we pretend they are perfect. It’s ok to be a Christian on the way, and having not already arrived perfect.
Wait I saw this guy randomly on my feed yesterday and I watched his video in awe! When I saw him pop up on my feed this morning I thought I was having dejavú. But when I saw it was under this podcast I rushed to click play
His story parallels my story so much. And he is a great storyteller.
The next guy you should bring in is Darius son of RUclips famous BLove. He actually touches the science of being gay and has a very practical outlook.
He was such a good guest. Very thankful he gave us his time!
I joined a seminary in 1971/72 to cover up my sexuality as Cade said …by the end of the second year I was an emotional wreck so I decided to leave ..I confided in one of the mentors who was neutral in his advice and didn’t help …it wasn’t till I left I realised I had left the biggest closet in the world and that the mentor I spoke to was gay and was sexually active …I consider myself an atheist now
You are an inspiration to me Cade.. gives me a glimmer of hope for today's youth❤❤
It seem odd to me that whatever we claim our creator to be, that they would make you to be a certain way, but then deny you the right to live that way. Either there is no God or He has a crewel streak. I've compared it to creating a dog and giving it a great desire to bark, but then punishing it every time it barks. Somewhere out there, there is someone that is longing for your love and dedication...and perhaps vice versa. I'm 74 years old and heavily lean toward traditional Catholicism, but I hate it at the same time and that's a hell of a position to be in. I went to confession once to admit a same sex activity that I was ashamed of at the time. I went to seek God's forgiveness but the priest told me that although God understands all things, there was no way He could forgive that sin. He did end up giving me absolution but I never felt forgiven. That caused the greatest trauma and I felt a total rejection. That's been 35 years ago and I haven't been to confession again since and don't plan to. I've asked God many times to heal the damage that was done to me but nothing ever happens and I don't expect it to either. You make some very interesting points in your story and I wish you the very best in your life.
I’m so sorry that happened to you. That priest was incorrect; the Catholic Church is crystal clear that there is only 1
unforgivable sin: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (it’s actually very difficult to commit; and involves on purpose committing a heinous specifically to spite God)
I feel the devil was speaking through that priest; he’s the one who try’s to convince people that God won’t forgive them.
In the Catholic faith there is something called “an act of pure contrition” that can act in place of absolution. It’s when you come to god in repentance for a sin not because you’re afraid of punishment; but because you’re truly sorry for having hurt God. Listen to the song Miserere Mei Deus with subtitles; (psalm 51). King David did a very very very bad thing. That song (psalm) is him coming to the Lord in an act of pure contrition.
OMG YESSSSSSS I literally discovered both of your channels this past week and love both of you!! This is an amazing video and I haven't watched a single second of it yet.
Glad you enjoyed our channels!
Same!!! I binged this guys 50 minute video yesterday and he had me sold by the middle of the video. So glad they got him on here
Of course, it's a pleasure to encounter a super bright and articulate man who is happy and working to treasure and grow intentionally with his partner. Myself, i grew up in Protestant Christianity and was never as intellectually sharp and trained. For me, since i chose to be a Christian, it's always been about my love for Jesus and my need to connect with authentic Christian community. At some point, i experienced the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and in my 30s, i joined the RCIA group at a progressive and vibrant Jesuit Catholic church. We were 50 in the RCIA group in September and 48 of us made it through the two scrutinies to the Easter Vigil the following spring when i became a member of the Roman Catholic Church. I knew that homosexual people are "intrinsically disordered" according to official Church teaching but i was fully encouraged to join (in contrast to Cade's rejection to become a priest because he was same-sex attraction.). I was led to believe there would always be a place for me in the Catholic community. The reality is more nuanced that Cade's hardcore group. Cade in a big way had it lucky. He joined an ultra-Conservative part of the Church that today exists in great tension with Pope Francis over the Latin Mass, for example. He made his way to a very black and white group that then allowed him perhaps to quickly look honestly at the teachings of the Church. At any rate, i am a Christian and it looks like i will die a Christian. I'm more complicated than Cade. Lately, i'm realised that always i will remain on the periphery of the Catholic Church as a gay man, despite the fact that there are plenty of Catholic groups made up of actively gay men and women (e.g., Dignity and Fr Jim Martin's world). Recently, i begrudgingly have become a part of an Episcopal Eucharistic Communty that treasures fully the gifts of everyone, including women and queer people in the life of the community. It's a community that wants to get it right, that supports one another and holds each other accountable to the Gospel. The Body of Christ assembled reflects the Really Present Body of Christ in the Eucharist. Religion is a tricky thing but right now i'm finding a home with this community. I've NEVER had the idea that Chrirstianity exists just to keep me from murdering others. There are plenty of awesome people who devote their lives to others who are not Christian. For me it's a chance to live out life in community on our journey with Christ into the Kingdom. Cade is bright and healthy and i wish him peace and continued success in his endeavors. I guess i'm still needy and complicated. Cade is blessed with the ability to see through things clearly.; he has an excellent mind. Maybe, though, my inability to see things so black and white keeps me in relationship with Christian community. I sure appreciate this video and Cade's willingness to share his compelling story.
Thank you for trying to be a priest.
I love y'all. Gay grandma 63.
John 3:3
King James Version
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
I love how your pfp just stares into my soul....
@@repent6238 I’m assuming this is a homophobic comment if it is god is suppose to be a LOVING god so you should think to spread kindness instead of these indirect comments of bible verses.
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Jesus said it, so it has to be true, The Lord does not lie.
@@repent6238 Do you know how dangerous it is to say "person of venerance said its true so it has to be true"? Does your brain not tickle with more than that explanation?
So glad i've found your channel through this video. You got a new subscriber. :)
I find Cade's story very relatable as a gay man who is catholic myself. I just want to comment regarding what Cade says at 23:34 regarding the chruch being infallible. There is a lot of misconception about the infallibility of the church. Actually the catholic church has never claimed to be infallible, but there is a teaching on the magisterium or what is otherwise called the infallibility of the pope (not the church). I'm not going to go into detail but it doesn't mean that the pope cannot err or do no wrong thing. In fact, the church has gotten a lot of teachings wrong numerous times in history! To name a few: the church changed its position on slavery (it was for it before!!!), the teaching on limbo, pope john paul ii, said sorry for excommunicating galileo after 350 years for saying that the sun is the center of the solar system (not the earth, which was the widely accepted belief back then, how it had religious connections, i leave to you to research. haha).
I guess my point is, as a gay catholic, i still choose to be with the church not because it is perfect or that it's teachings are all correct. But because the community and support it provides is valuable to me. I hope all gays in the church find your peace and happines - inside the church or otherwise. More power to you Cade, and to this channel.
Sources:
The Catholic Church's biggest reversals: foreignpolicy.com/2008/11/01/the-list-the-catholic-churchs-biggest-reversals/
Galileo was right: www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/world/after-350-years-vatican-says-galileo-was-right-it-moves.html
the Church will never "reverse" on the teaching on homosexuality. Thinking it will and proclaiming it does (not saying you are) will only lead people to a false hope.
@@classicworks0316 i agree with you 100%. That's why it's important to have real expectations on the church regarding that. it always makes me sad to think that teaching in homosexuality isn't going to change. call me brainwashed but i cannot imagine leaving the church.
Napoleon threatened the Catholic Church to a French Cardinal. The Cardinal wished him luck saying if the Church itself with all of its faults could not destroy itself, no single man could do it.
Great episode. I have so much respect for this guy and the confidence he has in himself and his story, especially at such a young age. It's wild to me. Best of luck to him.
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Great interview!!’. Thank you!!! The placement of the couch in front of the paintings is excellent! We can see you now! 👍
Cade would have a blast visiting Europe. We have so much of the architectural beauty he described.
Wish I'd had his smarts and good heart when I was his age. I like him stressing that morality is based on shared fellow feeling. I'd like to add that's how religion got its morality, not the other way around.
Wow. What a torturous story in having to choose between God and having a samesex partner. I want to cry.
Such is the life for most religious people that are gay. Funny enough for me, I get accused so often of not wanting to be religious because I'm gay, but I knew god was nothing more than a concept humans invented to cope with reality being so harsh and life being so hard long before I knew I was gay. Even if I was straight, I would still know with absolute certainty that there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. I'm so sick and tired of people that base their worldview on a stupid book written 3100 years ago, and not by going out into the world and seeing people themselves. You've got to allow yourself to live and get to know people before you judge them. It really is that simple.
When you stop crying , accept yourself. Be the man you are.
@@ElmerBaez-f5m What a disgusting comment, you should be ashamed.
Yes, it's a shitty thing to go through. The worst about it is that you exactly know what is right and what you want to choose (God), but it sometimes seems almost impossible to actually choose it.
@@ElmerBaez-f5m Wow, what an insensitive comment.
Cade's story is truly awesome. Choosing life instead of a book story. I am not sure if Cade will see this, or even care. but your relationship will organically grow advice and coaching from others is good and helpful, but there is no black and white with any relationship. take advice but let it grow and evolve organically Be most happy with groth. this is from a 63 YO life long gay man.
Be well your entire life.
This young guy is smart, articulate and handsome. In my experience of being gay and Catholic is very different than his. The Church is not black and white! It’s a community of individuals on a journey. The fact that he joined up with an extreme group of Latin mass an ultra conservative small group of extreme catholics. They are a small minority in the Church. It is an insight into this young mans needs. Catholic are Christians. He could be part of Christianity if he wanted to. Th Christian Church is huge and welcoming to all walks of life Lastly, he is giving out dating and relationship advice? Really? He had been in a relationship for a year? I think i will pass on his advice. His understanding of Catholicism is blinded by his black and white understanding of faith. I wish him success in his endeavors.
I completely agree with you. Cade is very well spoken and intelligent. His study of Catholicism was so extreme. Catholicism is not black and white. I have many friends that are gay and Catholic. I love them so much. Cade, you can still be happy with Trek and have religion in your life.
Leaving my 5 🌟 review!!
Great information about the Catholic side of being gay!! Will be hear every week! 😊
As an excatholic gay man who also went to seminary, thank you for your testimony. Ive found my peace by taking the beautiful, throwing out the ugly or unsatisfactory, and allowing myself to find peace without the Roman church
So you don't believe in God anymore?
@@calson814He wrote without the Roman church, not without God. Not saying he believes in God, but he didn't say either way on that. Catholics sometimes think there is no truth apart from them. Such a putting head in a hole approach for those who do.
@@RobPinionYes you're right he did not say "not without God". If a person left the Church, he/she left Christ too. I know we catholics talks alot about the Truth. But the truth is that we do have the Fullness of the Truth and we do not say that "only we have the truth" NO.
I did exactly the same thing as Cade . I joined the ultra-conservative Roman Catholic Order called The Legionaries of Christ.
I’m so glad I left . I’m now openly Gay and Jewish .
I remember legionaries... I'm so sorry. I'm glad you're thriving now
did you enjoy tali's Eurovision performance given that you're jewish and Luxembourgish? :)
how about eden's?
No judgement but my understanding is we transcend religion… once you understand what God is and love is what’s important you know how to be religiously in your life.
@@MAHOSHTRAHOSHIsrael should not have been in the Eurovision for sure… worst year for Eurovision on record.
You guys have an awesome blog here. Please keep the enlightenment coming.
Don’t seek religion. Can you still Seek God and abandon religion? I think so. After all it’s about relationship with him. Internally. He is your Father/creator. He longs for you to seek him. He will accept you as you are. All the rules…none of us are perfect at & will never be.
If you were once a person of faith, I would imagine that you would find yourself still turning to him without rejection. He loves you still I think the church has failed us.
And that in itself may be the Bibles purpose. He can only be found within.
The church should only be a place to point us to him.
*AND I say that without believing His intent is to make you straight! Simply that you talk to Him brings him joy.
I don’t want to change my daughter. I love her just the way she is. I do believe we are ever changing and hopefully refining our character. That is the way of life. But that is different, I don’t need her to be with a man to love her.
After coming out I transitioned from Evangelical to Episcopalian.
As a lapsed Catholic I have always been sorry not to have been born into an Anglican/Episcopalian family because in general they treat their religion as a pleasant side issue in their lives.
@@williamstringer6519 We welcome you in the Episcopal Church ... any time. I have often wondered how much less stressful it would have been to grow up within the Anglican communion (at least in the western world.)
John 3:3
King James Version
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
What Cade described is the same situation with divorced and remarried Catholics who are without a Church annullment. Neither can they receive communion . So basically gays and divorced and remarried Catholics are welcomed at mass and loved by many priests and congregants. The sad thing is the hierarchy treats these people like second class citizens without saying it.
Not only them but children of divorced parents, gay parents, and single parent households were not allowed to be considered for priesthood. Not anymore but it's still enforced.
I don’t know if this means anything to you. But regardless of the church Cade is definitely walking in his God given purpose (with the podcast, running, etc.) and it is evident that he will continue to walk in it in his current and next pursuits.
like Cade i also at one point thought i wanted to be a priest, but it was only to run away from the "same sex attraction" thankfully it did not happen but i realized i suppressed so much of who i was. I would sometimes go and kneel and try to pray the gay away... i would often cry... ironically enough it was two priests who helped me come to my senses and get out of the catholic church. I am still single but no longer struggling and hating myself just for being gay. It's awsome that Cade found himself very early in life instead of going thru years of struggling as a closeted self hating catholic.
This is very similar to the Conservative evangelical views on the subject. I spent 15 years in a church, worked 12 years in ministry work. And I stayed single, and I found that they don't treat single people as good as they treat married people, though they wouldn't say that out loud, that was the outcome. I did try marrying a girl, but thankfully that fell through, because I was in denial I fear that that marriage would have been miserably. Like the hosts, I'm amazed that he's 22 and already figured all this out
That is my story as well. Interesting. But I was kicked out after 2 years in the seminary.
Love is love never hide it from anyone
Imaging getting into a great relationship from your first date....most of us are out here wading through bad luck after bad luck.
I went to Catholic school for all 12 years as well as going to Catholic Church almost every week. When I was growing up we had many " flamboyant " priests and brothers and many masculine looking and acting nuns and yet nobody seemed to be able to put 2 and 2 together. And at the Catholic high school I went to they have been in the news in the last few years because of firing both the principle and a long time English teacher when it was discovered that they were gay . And yet I still get constant mail asking for me to donate money to the school . I could really go on a long rant but I won't . But the hypocrisy , yikes !
The catholic bishop robes are a dream for every drag queen.
You might want to look at the Episcopal Church which is very Catholic, but open to gays who serve with distinction. The high Anglican Tradition has the Anglo-Catholic tradition, but also open to gay persons. You might want to explore.
The Anglican Church doesn’t seem to believe in anything anymore.
Where can I listen to his podcast with the long term gay relationships? I want to listen. Been with my husband for 12 years now, 7 married. I would love to hear it!
Look up 'Queerly Ever After'
Great interview!
Hi Cade. Very impressed. Have you read any of James Alison's books? He's a gay Catholic priest who believes the Catechism is wrong on same sex relationships. Also Frederic Martel on the closet of the Vatican.
Very well spoken man, someone will be lucky to have him
A lot is being said about relationships here. I am Jewish thus take it with a grain of salt. I thought the Catholic Church frown upon relationships of any kind for its priests and leaders. Not just SSA (same sex attraction) but any kind. As to the followers, I don't think the Church cares which orientation you follow. They will not perform a gay wedding but if you are gay and leaving with another man, they still will receive you in their messes and church activities. Here in Chicago, there one priest that I know very well. I am sure everyone that has talked with him thinks he is gay. He has one of those personality that no closet can hold it. At the best of my knowledge, he is fine among other priests and the followers really enjoy his messes. BTW I have had two or more priests telling me that I look good in their eyes and we both knew what he was talking about.
Thank God he decided not to be a priest. He's definitely too cute to be closeted.
If you are a closeted LGBTQ+ Roman Catholic, and discerning the call to the priesthood, consider converting to certain denominations in Protestantism, for example the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), The Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, the United Church of Christ, and now the United Methodist Church that are all LGBTQ+ affirming. You can both freely live out your sexual orientation, AND your call to ordered service in the Church.
catholics follow the bible
@MichaelCCasey - Are you serious? or this is a joke!
Oh wow. Looove this. I have a story: i was out, then I joined a cult for 23 years and became “straight,” then had to come out again. What a horrible burden. But free now.
This was great.
Bless you all from eire love n light
I chased Jesus and the moment I sought after building my relationship with Christ instead of chasing religion, only then did my same sex attraction diminish. Now I’m happily married to a woman.
Then you were never gay in the first place. (Maybe biromantic?)
Excommunication is a lot like shunning.
You only get excommunicated for something very severe like teaching heresy
The Catholic Church has a lot of beauty. At the same time, the Catholic Church has changed over the last 30 years on gays and lesbians. When I came out in 1998 as a gay divorced man, there was little tolerance from the Church. Being celebate for your entire life is nonsense. However, there are Catholic priests over that period who have been understanding and have been supportive of gay men and lesbians
having sexual relations. Yet, the Catholic Church still continues its policies opposing gays and lesbians.
The church doesn’t tolerate you. They are forced to by the secular states. They have no choice.
How does that work? Do you just skip over that part biblically?
@Jeremy-wp4yh
The Bible does state that a man should not sleep with another man from what we have interpreted today. It is highly probable that the author felt that gay sex would decrease the birth rate. The world had a lot fewer people 2,000 years ago, and very few babies survived to one years old. The author wanted the Earth's population to grow.
Yet, the Bible does not mention that it is sinful for a woman to sleep with another woman. Why? The 40 authors of the Bible wrote passages based upon what they knew during those times and what they thought God would want. The male author for that passage about sex between men was unable to fathom that two women could have sex.
Biblical scholars agree that man wrote the Bible, not God. We have hundreds of Christian faiths with a variety of interpretations of the Bible. I do not believe God would want us to spend hours guessing what he wanted or the meaning of Biblical stories. Some books that were intended to for the Bible were never added. Who made the decision about what books were meant for the Bible? The Catholic Bible is not the same as the St. James version of the Bible. What are the reasons for that?
@@kirkmarusak7800 I'm not catholic, so I cannot speak on catholicism. However, there are several other scriptures that speak on marriage and relationships. It's very clear that the Bible does not condone SS relations.
@Jeremy-wp4yh
Since man rather than God wrote the Bible in Biblical times, it does not make sense to treat those passages as the literal word of God. Pastor Stan Mitchell of Nashville used to condemn homosexuality during his sermons. He would regularly precide over the funerals of gay and lesbian teenagers in his congregation who had committed suicide. Mitchell finally figured out that he was the cause of their deaths through his words on Sundays.
Applying every passage of the Bible literally does not make sense when young people end up killing themselves over their sexual orientation. I am a man who is gay and was once married to a woman. The Bible can be beneficial to people's lives. But urging gay and lesbian people to live a life of a heterosexual based upon the words of the Bible often results in pain to everyone around them. Just ask the former spouses of gay men and lesbian women how they feel about those Biblical passages on homosexuality.
Little do you know, GOD is responding to you through TREK, your partner. BLESSINGS!
I thought it was Troye Sivan in the thumbnail
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Hahahah I can see it
Homosexuality does not constitute a risk factor for the sexual abuse of children.
"Whenever there is an expansion, there is always a loss." A.H. Almaas
Hope you can invite Rev. Patrick Cheng to your podcast.
So many times I’ve gotten on here to comment in the middle of your video and have had to delete my questions because I have not got to the end. Once again, I’ve not listened to the whole thing, but I was raised Catholic and, by the way, I am not gay. I am a straight mom With a gay daughter, but in my childhood, there was a wonderful priest in our parish and one day he was just gone vanished. I heard that he confessed that he wanted to date women. Which was breaking his vow of celibacy. So if you change your mind or if life changes, things change, you are let go. Basically the contract becomes void. Kind of like changing jobs. It could just be time to move on. Hopefully they are still friendly, loving and accepting toward you.
They present the vow of celibacy as a law and if broken there are consequences.
I think you can seek God and abandon religion. He is your Father after all.
He's so self assured and has All the answers and refutations, with some sarcasm too. Let's hear from him in twenty or more years.
Jesus (Yeshua) embraced the LGBTQI community. This is evident when he cured the centurions beloved slave. All these truths are in the Gospel of Thomas. I was Catholic, now I know the truth of what Yeshua taught, now I have a real relationship with Him.
I had nearly the same- ish experience. Though I truly believe I was being groomed to become a priest by my school teachers.
To bad you weren't in my SoCal parish: "ALL ARE WELCOME." We have an official LGBTQ+ ministry that receives $10k for outreach, education, etc. Our Monsignor can now bless same-sex marriages. Your experience seems so foreign to my Catholic experience.
If your Monsignor is blessing same sex marriages, he should be reported and removed from his post.
You are not in a Catholic Church if they are blessing "same sex marriages". The sacrament of marriage is a lifelong partnership of the whole of life, of mutual and exclusive fidelity, established by mutual consent between one man and one woman, and ordered towards the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring. If the priests at your church are confused about the definition and sacrament of marriage and are also confusing the faithful, this is a problem and a big red flag. What other sacraments are they misunderstanding?
Yes. In the catholic faith. Its known as excommunication. And its in every faith. But grace and mercy and forgiveness is given once you confess and then jump through hoops I would call it. But after all that, your hiding again. And to me, if your comfortable with what your doing then excommunication means nothing. So to speak. My opinion
I have been bi (same sex attracted) since i was 10 years old but never engaged in anal sex. I grew up in the church and i will never deny my faith even as the church doesn’t support or help with my attractions. I grow in the grace and mercy of the Lord every day with this attraction i have. But, instead of being single to stay in line with church teachings, how about accepting that the New Testament view on any relationship forbids sexual activity outside of monogamous hetero marriage, called “porneia “. That’s very challenging when same sex attraction seems natural and never ending. The Bible specifically calls out “catamite” (effeminate, passive, submissive, bottom) and “sodomite” (dominant, top) . But there are many loving same sex relationships in the Bible that are not sexual. David and Jonathan loved each other passionately with love more than that of a woman. John reclined on Jesus chest. And many others who showed deep affection for the same sex. Modern church (19th century) changed these specific words to the generic homosexual. This is not biblically accurate. You can be in a loving, affectionate same sex relationship and not engage in anal sex. The sex part is what determines sodomite/catamite or not. Well, that’s my view anyway.
The problem is that the Catholic Church and Christian religion preach falsehoods and their scriptures are in error. To let these institutions and books created purely by ancient men be a guide on morality, science, government or anything of importance would be a grave mistake.
homosexual does not equals sodmite or catamite
My understanding of the Bible is that it condemns predatory, dishonoring exploitation (αρσενοκοίται) and craven moral cowardice and self-debasement (μαλακοί), not merely being a top or bottom, as we use those terms today. The Greek words are morally loaded, not neutral descriptions of physical acts. In the modern day (esp. with lube) anal sex can be mutually loving, pleasurable, and co-submissive. I transitioned to female, so dating a man wouldn't even necessarily be "gay" for me. 😇🏳⚧⚧
John 3:3
King James Version
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
@@frannynet553 homosexual is a word that was added to the Bible in the 1800’s, so based on that i agree. The original Greek doesn’t have that word but focuses on porneia (a general word for sexual immorality), sodomite and catamite. If someone hasn’t had gay sex then i would question if they are actually gay or just same sex attracted. We just have to use the correct biblical terms and words.
Cade the catholic church and the priesthood are evil you are perfect as who you are as what god made you a handsome young gay man and as a fellow gay guy i am happy you accept your truth and i wish you the best
the fact that i’m Kade (with a K) and i just went through the same thing
Praying for this beautiful young man. Our entire society is totally f*cked y’all. Everything we’ve been taught is totally upside down. Watch Fr. Rippergers 6th Generation talk.
I can see why the enemy pursued him hard. He had incredible potential to be an amazing priest. Maybe still could be someday. When he said he felt he had to choose between God, and a higher good; I almost wept. There is no higher good than God. He was deceived in to choosing a lesser good. (Romantic relationship, desires of the flesh) “who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” Honoring your parents is in the commandments; and here Jesus is telling us that if faced with choice between blood relationships and relationship with God; God is the higher choice.
He doesn’t promise us happiness; he says we “must die to ourselves”; and “pick up your cross and follow me” 😢✝️ I love you all so much; praying for us all.
Your arrogance damns you. Literally.
He is an excellent speaker. He puts it plainly. He decided he wouldn’t be single. So he gave up on Gods word as truth so he can have a possibility and companionship that could or could no work out. That remains a fact regardless if you believe the practice of homosex is wrong or right.
Where in the Bible does it expressly condemn homosexuality?
@@Jamesjoseph626 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
@@elishamiyahira4301Have you have ever gotten drunk , filed a lawsuit or been greedy?😂😂😂
Nice… lucky chap… ❤ wishing you love and smooth sailing… 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🫶❤️🇸🇬
I missed the liturgy of the hours so I ended up needing to make a simple one of my own. I did so by finding passage from books, poems, quotes I liked and organizing them.
Don't try to do it all at once. Start with a morning, evening and night "prayer" then focus on building out the week. Don't rush it don't try to do it all at once.
Leaving that type of structure can be hard.
This podcast is everythiiiing
How intelligent. Wow. He would be Bishop or Cardinal material. Married here with gay attraction. Great children and grands; love the family life. Conservative Catholic too. Obviously goes to Confession. What Cade missed is that each Catholic is ultimately responsible for his own beliefs, his own conscience. The Church was established for us; we are not created for the Church. Where did he pick up the Church thinks it is infallible. Wrong dude. The Church does not say where everyone goes after death. Judge not...He took took all or nothing to a peculiar level.
Excuse me, what do you mean by 'married with gay attraction'? You're in a gay marriage? Don't tell me you're in a straight marriage and dragged a poor woman into a deceitful lie where you pretend to be sexually attracted to her when you're not? ...Unbelievable..
Cade, you have superior intelligence. What you do not have, and you shall, is maturity. Just try to keep your thinking open in regard to Jesus. Believe it or not talking about Jesus so much now, even saying you are disbelieving Him, pleases Him and makes Him happy as you continue to think about Him. You have a long life ahead of you. God's love is always there. Wish you well. Life is not easy.
Seems like many have tried that route.😂😂😂😂😳😳
This was so interesting same sex person as well from nyc
The church is not bad they just have a black and white way of looking at things period.
Interesting that Cade was rejected from the monastic life just because of your attractions, when so many priests are gay and there are openly gay priests now (celibate ones).
As a gay Catholic, I am actually at odds with Cade about clarity and the all-or-nothing aspect. I find it frustrating how unclear a lot of the teachings are, and how we are supposed to reconcile the Church's belief in progressive revelation with the idea that current teaching has authority. You mention how it is clear who goes to hell and who doesn't, but I actually think it's really murky. The Church teaches that believing cannot guarantee salvation, and that a mortal sin can send you to tell but only if you have full knowledge and cooperation, and sometimes strong emotion or mental health issues that impede that, and St. Faustina believed everyone has a chance to repent when/after their die in this spacetime outside spacetime. And also, there is massive diversity of belief within Catholic tradition and across different segments of the Church - for example, with the teachings on abortion and usury changing over time and with the German bishops wants to recognized same-sex relationships while the African bishops thinking gay sex should be a jailable offence (neither of which are official church teaching).
And I also know that the Church teaches that the sacraments are barred to people "in mortal sin" but we all know that the Church in practice regularly gives the sacraments to people who should be excommunicated under Canon law, such as politicians who are openly in support of abortion.
I relate a lot with the male host about needing to be honest about the intense love you can experience through religion and the Church specifically, and not being sure about how to do that while also acknowledging it is also connected to a lot of bad stuff. And somehow it is easy to accept when a Muslim or Buddhist say they have had a deep experience of the divine without perfect theology, but it's harder to accept when it comes to you - even when your religion teaches that it doesn't know everything.
I didn't always have a positive relationship with religion, yet I still maintain a bit of faith, but yeah I'm going through exactly what buddy went through, if I choose to live in my truth I'd be choosing my sexuality over religion. In my community, there's no in-between.
Well you could always just realize that your community doesn't and shouldn't get to dictate how you live your life. If you want to be in a loving same-sex relationship and be religious, there's nothing illegal about that. Your church may kick you out, but that would be their problem, not yours. As an analogy, imagine if you were married to someone, and then one day you decided to start playing golf as a hobby. Imagine your partner responding to that by telling you that golf is wrong to them, and if you don't stop playing golf they're going to leave you. You understand there's nothing wrong with playing golf, so do you stop just to appease your partner's irrational feelings? Or do you refuse to give up a part of yourself that makes you happy and doesn't harm anyone, just because your partner wants you to? I get that when you've been with someone or a group of people for a long time, the thought of leaving that person or group can be scary. But if this person or group of people are making unreasonable and irrational demands of you in order to stay with them, I think you have every right to prioritize your own well-being and mental health. Some people or groups of people aren't worth sticking around with. Better to be alone and happy than surrounded by people that make you miserable.
@@scottmoore7588I feel like In a religious context they can just say “you don’t love God enough to give up your desires, you will get enteral life, Gods love is everlasting and this is only temporary, you should choose God over everything else, devils temptation,” etc.. there are many celibate Christians who sacrifice this part of themselves for God. They could simply say you just don’t love God enough to give this up for him, it was too much for you, you rather give into your temptation than Gods will etc.. so I don’t see this actually going anywhere.
@@nylalyris I don't really know if I understand your last sentence, but yeah, the way christians use the Bible to coerce people into living a life that they find approvable is extremely disgusting behavior. You don't see gay people trying to coerce christians into not being christians. Yet ironically enough, Christians have always been harming gay people more than the reverse. Seriously, why do christians care so much if gay people stay gay? How is it harming them? As you said, they'll often appeal to missing out on heaven and facing the threat of eternal damnation, but both of those are concepts that christians came up with. Christians are essentially saying "You should stop being gay because god's going to punish you for that", and it's like, cool, if god wants to come down and actually put his money where his mouth is, then we can talk. But as it stands, all we're being given are empty threats. I'm fairly certain if I went to a christian's house and told them that god said they had to give me all their money or he'd burn them for eternity, they'd laugh me off their doorstep. So why they think gay people should take them seriously is beyond me.
@@nylalyris I don't really know if I understand your last sentence, but yeah, the way christians use the Bible to coerce people into living a life that they find approvable is extremely disgusting behavior. You don't see gay people trying to coerce christians into not being christians. Yet ironically enough, Christians have always been harming gay people more than the reverse. Seriously, why do christians care so much if gay people stay gay? How is it harming them? As you said, they'll often appeal to missing out on heaven and facing the threat of eternal damnation, but both of those are concepts that christians came up with. Christians are essentially saying "You should stop being gay because god's going to punish you for that", and it's like, cool, if god wants to come down and actually put his money where his mouth is, then we can talk. But as it stands, all we're being given are empty threats. I'm fairly certain if I went to a christian's house and told them that god said they had to give me all their money or he'd burn them for eternity, they'd laugh me off their doorstep. So why they think gay people should take them seriously is beyond me.
@@nylalyris I don't really know if I understand your last sentence, but yeah, the way christians use the Bible to coerce people into living a life that they find approvable is extremely disgusting behavior.
all immorality is wrong whether gay or straight
Cade reminds me so much of Timothée Chalamet. He doesn't really look like him, but has such a similar aura. I wonder whether anyone else has noticed this... or is it just me 😊
Yes, he has a very similar body language and thoughtfullness.
I tried a 51 year marriage to my wife and being a Baptist minister and missionary. It didn't work. I am gay, medically proven.
18:19, well Leviticus 18:22, is largely mistranslated.
Ok! is it me, or does he not remind you of actor Timothee Chalamet?
Let’s not forget that he suppressed himself… you could be a priest and be gay. I don’t think ppl realise that.
I can’t see the dislikes. Can someone tell me what they are please.
How about just following the TEN COMMANDMENTS. GOD gave us those so, just do that.
Accept your GAY SELF and then go to church. Mind your own business at church (Don't show up wearing a GAY FLAG). Give thanks to God etc, etc. Then go home. TA DAH! God and you are pleased.
I tried being a pastor as a woman and the devil said no ie life events . I am low income my car is about to fail ie parents car no more cars from them and I can’t add a car bought. I might get my parents car it’s paid off but it’s old no guarantee it survives a few yrs. I am moving into town and my church requires a car bus won’t go there
I was driving my parents' old car until it died this year. Now I ride an electric scooter. 😕
17:00 "The great thing" ?
So, who is gay in this podcast???
Everyone is gay 🤷🏻♂️
You.
@@scottmoore7588 yep!!
If one is in a Radical Traditionalist group one is hardly really in the Church. I converted to Theravada Buddhism but my divorce from the Church writ large is not quite so stark. I don't want to return but the Church as a whole is not as starkly black and white as your experience.
Ain't it funny? I'm a happy GAY Catholic and you're a happy gay NON-Catholic. WEIRD!
Jesus was probably gay given that he told Mary to treat him as his son.
33:48 - actually, we Catholics do believe this too! You can be gay and still strive to live as a Christian. I respect the interviewee here for his authenticity and honesty. I also would like for you to interview other people who might be able to provide a contrasting perspective both in Catholicism and Christianity: Kim Zember and Pieter Valk are their names!
Yes and no. Ppl w same-sex attraction per canon law cannot marry to the opposite sex or participate in priesthood or religious life. They cannot be put in teaching positions, and they are only allowed to do up to 4 hours of heavily supervised ministry a day. They have NO place in 5he Catholic church, they will not have a place. As am excatholic gay former seminarian I understood so much because it echoed my own experience.
@@Jamesjoseph626no. All you have said applies to people who are acting on their same-sex attraction with another person, not with those who remain celibate.
@@classicworks0316 nahhh look at the Canon law again
@mattie_dubs thank you for your contribution, father, though I no longer am catholic I do still greatly respect men of the cloth, even those that cast me out. They will have their come uppamce for vengeance is min saith the Lord.
John 3:3
King James Version
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
You might want to find and connect to Dean Willis; retired from
Canterbury & has a relationship with a partner & could perhaps help you find a Catholic perspective to serve as a gay priest openly in a very Catholic tradition.
The Catholic Church is definitely misunderstood in many ways....in what appears to be this major rules that are so black and white or will get you kicked out, are actually healthy boundaries leading to a deeper inner freedom and helping one detach from disordered desires. It teaches true love for every human & values every human, just not necessarily tolerating every action which can hurt humans in the long run. There's a difference between freedom & relief.
Me, too.
OK, so if im hearing this correctly you put down your cross and gave up on catholicism because you were told you could not become a priest ?
To me it sounds like you let your pride get in the way of your faith. I WILL NOT SERVE ! sounds a lot like an angel that let his pride get in the way of serving the GOD MAN because he was to be human. If God wanted you to become a priest believe me YOU WOULD BECOME A PRIEST as long as you accepted the vocation. Did you ever think that maybe it was a test to see how much you wanted it ? how long would you fight for ? I personally think it was a way to weed out the ones that deep down will not pick up their cross daily and follow him. If you gave up on God because you were told no to becoming a priest ,then ask yourself how deep was your faith ? i'm not here to judge but there are lots of things i want in life but i would never give up on my faith because i was told no .
As for being gay or same sex attracted THAT SIR IS YOUR CROSS ....you have a choice to make . You can pick up your cross or choose not to . I find a lot of people say "it's not fair " what i was dealt in life is unfair. NOBODY'S cross is light. When people find that its "unfair" and choose not to pick up that heavy cross i find they go looking for man made religions that will say YES WE BELIEVE IN JESUS however feel free to put that heavy cross down and be gay . Life is much easier when you are the rule maker yet say oh yes i follow JESUS.
People forget that life here is 60 ,70 maybe 80 or 90 years long. They think i want to be happy and enjoy life. Once you take that last breath, those 90 years will pale in comparison to eternity .
Believe me i'm not judging nor am i saying i'm better. I lived your opposite life. I was far from the church for decades. I came back because i knew my faith was worth it and i'd rather pick up my cross daily than deal with the results after for eternity. Being same sex attracted or 'GAY" if you will isn't easy, neither is being born blind or an amputee.
The priests we need in todays world are ones who are strong in their faith and will not go searching for an easy way out.
Reading your first sentence, you didn't actually listen to Cade at all. Why'd you waste your time if you didn't want to listen? He realised, rightfully, that religion is harmful to society, especially for LGBT people.
First, it sounds like Cade has some misunderstandings about Catholicism and he tends to be a black and white thinker who is presenting the Catholic Church as black and white, but it's not. When it comes to the sexual ethics of the Catholic Church, they apply to everyone regardless of whether one experiences same sex attraction, opposite sex attraction, or both. The purpose of sex is both procreative and unitive, and is only to be done in marriage. Yes, it's a hard teaching. But God's laws are for human flourishing. Stop and think about how our our hyper sexed, porn-filled culture would change if people actually followed this teaching. If people only engaged in sex when in a loving bond, committed for life, and dedicated to the care and well being of their children, it would have significant benefits for society. Abortion would become obsolete. Divorce, which is devastating for children and many adults, would also become obsolete. Single parenthood, which is really hard on the parent and the children, would decrease significantly. People who are not built for marriage do not have to merely pursue hedonistic pleasures - they can instead use their gifts to love others in friendship, in brotherhood, sisterhood, and engage in activities that help the community. There are many Catholics who do this. Some become consecrated virgins. They do not join the priesthood, the monastics, nor the convents, but they dedicate themselves to God and take vows of chastity and live and work just like everybody else. There are some people in the Church who were in same sex relationships prior to becoming Catholic but have now chosen to live chastely with the person they love, and they live together and care for each other, just without the sex. David Morrison, a former gay activist, wrote a book about this called "Beyond Gay". David Morrison is an example of someone who found a way to stay in a fulfilling relationship with a man while also staying in full communion with the Catholic Church. Cade chose to hide his attractions and pretended to be something he wasn't. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if he had been more honest and told people that he was experiencing same sex attraction but trying his best to live in accordance with God's designs for sex. We all struggle with sexual sin, regardless of who we are attracted to, and the Catholic Church offers help for everyone who struggles with sexual sin, and she also offers radical love and mercy. Could the Church do better? Of course. She is not perfect, she is full of sinners, but there are good reasons for these teachings on sex. Go back and read how the pagans treated women and children. It was awful. Christians changed all of that for the better, and now people are trying to reverse it and we see the consequences. Online porn, sex trafficking, fatherlessness, abortion, and divorce have all gotten worse since the sexual revolution.
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Traditional Catholic options for all humans regardless of gender or orientation:
1. Marry someone of the opposite sex 2 Marry Jesus (religious vows) 3. Celibate single life
The reason comes down to the purpose for which God created sex. Study that deeply and everything makes sense.Read the Old Testament (it’s actually hilarious). God strikes a guy dead for pulling out 😂
Most Catholics have completely strayed from the Church’s teaching, and I can see why young SSA wouldn’t put up with the hypocrisy. If people were following the faith, it’d be easier because everyone is suffering.
God is a tiny bit more lenient on illicit hetro s*x bc there’s still the possibility of creation of life (which is the purpose of sex according to God) But this is why sodomy is a no-no even for married couples. Contraceptives are a no-no. SS acts. Self-stimulation. Any non-reproductive form of sexual expression cuts God out of the equation and is a form of idolatry. it’s fine for a while but the society implodes.
What an insane view of Christianity.
if you are accepting homosexuality and don’t realize the spiritual warfare side of it you are the same thing the bible talks against
Catholicism: the religion of ceremonies, vestments, catechisms is not a peoples' religion.
Jesus was all about people: love, charity, acceptance!!!
Their toleration of gay people is strictly Middle Ages: circa 1500!
Religion needs to modernize (there was a transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament) and that transition was Jesus !!
The Catholic Church is too mired in the Middle Ages to ever change!!!
Churches pay well. By 40 sex is boring anyway
52:05
Hmm... I was an intensely religious Evangelical incel for 20 years. When repression and gender dysphoria got to be so bad that I realized my whole life was falling apart, I seriously considered converting to Orthodoxy or Catholicism (found a local, very conservative, Byzantine Catholic church), to totally lean into enforced celibacy and self-shaming. I even tried dating a girl who was converting to Catholicism (which was a huge deal for me). But... when we tried to make out, it felt so wrong, somehow that experience finally broke through to me that I must not be straight, and might not even be a real "man" at all. Anyway, now I'm 3 years into medical gender transition, and have radically deconstructed my faith, thank God! 😇🏳⚧⚧