Homosexuality in the Catholic Church - Interview with Manny Gonzalez
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
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Brothers, thank you! I am so happy to see people like you, struggling and bearing your crosses well. I will definitely include you in my prayers, and I hope you can pray for me too.
Thank you Manny for your words and for your life testimony! It serves people like me across the world to keep striving on God’s path, and I’m sure it helps to sooth many hardened hearts on this topic❤
Love Manny! I watched all his videos 5 yrs ago as I was discerning becoming catholic.Great to see him back on RUclips again.
I did become Catholic btw, praise God!
Thank you for your honesty. God bless you in Jesus name
Thank you for your honesty.
One can substitute the Name Catholic or Baptist or Anglican etc the experience is almost identical.
As a gay who is a Protestant I can relate to you very much.
The nicest persons who have genuinly goid hearts, seem to be the ones who break free from religious childhood teachings.
This was really helpful!!
Great conversation!
Hey there. I'm not religious at all (in particular, i have no experience with Catholicism other than having lived my life in Brazil and Portugal), and so normally i avoid commenting on videos like these, but early on the video, Manny makes a point (timestamp is 4:46), which amounts to something like, "If you are a same-sex attracted man or woman then you cannot live in the church" being a misconception that you would like to debunk, but i'm sorry to say, no, that is probably not a misconception at all.
You see, just yesterday i watched a video by a youtuber that goes by "Gay (ex)Trad Speaks", namely his video entitled "Coming Out in the Catholic Church: Discerning the Priesthood, Same-Sex Attraction, and Why I Left", and me watching that video is probably what made the RUclips video algorithm recommend KC's own here to me. And in that video, the gentleman is pretty clear: he had a clear goal, which was to join some sort of monastic Catholic organization (again, i'm not deeply familiar with Catholicism, so please excuse me if i have any details wrong and just watch the video instead), but because he disclosed that in the past he had a same-sex experience, he was denied entry to the organization. I believe the specific organization are the Carmelites, and if i am reading their website correctly, people who had sinful lives in the past are still allowed to become monks.
In other words, no, if you struggle with same-sex attraction, there definitely are aspects of Catholicism that you will not be able to embrace; and this is disregarding the obvious stuff, like life with an opposite-sex spouse.
You can rationalize this as much as you want - "Oh, but that's just a tiny part of what the church as a whole represents, you can still live your life within regular Catholicism", or, "Well, we can't exactly be having same-sex attracted people locked in with fellows of the same-sex 24/7, what if something happens, who is gonna be responsible then" - but the reality of the matter is that these so-called "small incompatibilities" are bound to have unforeseen consequences (case in point, the person in the video i've mentioned eventually deconstructed all the way out of the religion entirely).
I have no reason to doubt Manny. I believe him when he says he leads a fulfilling and complete life as a practicing Catholic who happens to be same-sex attracted. I just think people should be real, real careful before doing any sort of generalization based on biased anecdotes, and i'm leaving this comment here as a signpost towards other experiences that you might consider evaluating before coming to a conclusion on this subject.
Men with homosexual “deep-seated tendencies” or that are living a homosexual lifestyle are barred entry into religious life, but that is not the same as being same-sex attracted: feeling an attraction is not the same as acting out on them, and this is why many men who have same-sex attraction are ordained priests, they are fundamentally no different than straight men. That said, a person who is attracted to the same sex and is acting on their impulses, though they can’t fully partake of the sacraments, is still invited to attend Mass and to live an active life within their parish and the Church. We are all on a path of conversion even if God’s work of sanctification is not evident to our eyes.
Yes, i love that finally we have counter narratives. People damaged by Catholic dogma are starting to speak out. Every-time they parade an ‘ex gay’ around we’ll now have our own testimonies to direct them two.
"Living in the Church" does not mean one must be a priest or religious. There are many other factors that prevent plenty of other people from being accepted into a religious order (personality conflicts; history of mental illness; age limits; college debt) and the priesthood (being female; age limits; history of mental illness)... The vast majority of Catholics are just regular lay people, like Manny and myself, and we are"living in the Church" as much as any priest or religious. Straight people frequently aren't accepted into seminary and religious orders, too.
I want you to imagine something for me. Just for a second.
Imagine you are a teacher, its your turn to supervise the lunch room while the kids are eating. Its a special day today, and to reward the kids for doing so well on their tests the lunch ladies are serving ice cream. Each kid has a smile on their face, they're all enjoying themselves...all except for one, Dylan
Poor Dylan looks so sad, so you walk over to him and ask him whats wrong.
"I wanted ice cream." He says.
"Did they not give you any?"
"I...cant have it."
"Oh i see, does the milk upset your tummy?"
"No."
"Are you allergic to something in it?"
"No its not that."
You notice Dylan is not making eye contact, his chest is heaving and his face looks like he might start to cry. You sit down next to him and him earnestly:
"Its ok dylan, you can tell me, why cant you have any ice-cream?"
"Because, my dad thinks its evil. And he'll burn my hand on the stove if he finds out i ate some."
You are horrified by Dylans words, and soon you are making the necessary calls to CPS.
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Somehow christians get away with doing the exact same thing, threatening people with burning over something as innocuous as what genitals the person you love has. Come to your senses gentlemen.
this guy needs to meet danny gonzales
Mandy, you are a beautiful man that will one day find your fulfillment in the arms of another man. Hopefully brother sooner than later. What you are fighting is not your battle. You were created from inception between your parents cells, DNA and the chromosomes that encompassed you manifesting in the extravagances that you are.. Except your destiny of exceptionalism. Do Not Except Men Below Your Stance. In dignity you will bring a world joy.
Here's the thing I don't give a crap on how much Christians "love" us gays. You would vote away my rights in a heartbeat. You people honestly believe I should be a second-class citizen in my own country
your rights?
Remember, their Bible in Leviticus literally commands them to murder anyone that has gay sex. The only reason they don’t that now is because they don’t have the power. They are no different than radical Islamists. Never forget that.
what rights ?
@aceraphael The right to marry the person that you are physically attracted to.
The right to work where you choose without getting fired.
The right to earn as much as heterosexual.
The right to live in a rental unit without being kicked out.
There are literally hundreds of rights that have to still be fought for not only in this country but countries around the world.
In many countries you can be imprisoned or killed.
Children are born with clean slates. The religions are imposed upon them. If you were born in Iraq, you would be Muslim and may be just as passionate as you are, if not more!
You believe as you do because you were taught to believe so.
"So we were taught, so we believed. The priest continues what the nurse began, hence the child imposes upon the man. "
Speaking as a 55 year gay Catholic who attempted to feel included in the Catholic Church, I came to the realization that it just tolerated my presence in the Church!
Moving to the Lutheran Church, I found the assistant pastor was a lesbian with a child and realized that here was real acceptance and it was outside the Catholic Church.
Jesus was about people: about love, charity, and acceptance.
The Catholic Church is all about ceremony, scriptures, catechisms, candles, incense, missals - all non-people!
Jesus would not recognize His church and the inhumanity of the Catholic Church!
And the sad irony is that probably half of Roman Catholic priests are gay-and many-especially the cardinals and bishops in the Vatican -are sexually active whilst hypocritically condemning homosexuality.
It’s good to see Pope Francis developing a more inclusive and accepting stance.
@@keithrogers4170 I agree!!!
ECLA is no better. They allow their Congregation to refuse to have LGBT ministers or have SS Weddings
hey im 20 year old lesbian i have been in crisis of faith because im the type of person who is real and being on a enviroment judgmental with a closed mentality is so hard. Its like even people who know my sexuality they dont respect it but they "tolerate it" in their minds im straight person with just a trauma and thats so dismissive and so disrespectful . Its hard for me to stay but i love jesus, i just hate the enviroment. This is getting worse to the point i feel so uncomfortable on masses, i start to feel really hot and anxious because i disagree a lot with what i hear , i even wonder who i didnt gave up ...
@@carolinaduque9639 Carolina: My heart goes out to you!
I an 88 year old teacher (3rd, 4th, 5th grade) and I know the territory.
Remember: God created coyotes, weeds, and people.
He loves us like a Father and we don't need to earn His love.
His love is all-encompassing, not exclusionary and this sin-bit is a Catholic overreach!
The Catholic Church mistake is that one needs to go to Mass on Sunday to go to heaven.
Meanwhile, life is to be lived for other people and then everyone (God's children) goes back to their Father!
Sadly, you are right! Being born gay means you are an "outsider."
I was born into a super-Catholic family and so I never developed gay relationships because of moral reasons.
I married for 18 years, had 4 kids, but split up!
Then had a prostate removal surgery and sex was now impossible for me!
I would say that you might hate the Catholic Church version of Jesus.
The real Jesus loved his fellow apostles with a genuine affection: especially John (shadows of gay!).
The real enemy for gay Catholics is the Catholic Church who instead of embracing gay people, just tolerates them.
Forget the Catholic Church and just live your life knowing God loves you!!!
What evidence do you actually have that Jesus is a real entity today? It seems to me that you are truly into self-punishment and are inviting other young persons to do the same.
We all live on a home that soars around the Sun. It is the only place that we know that exists where we are able to live and breathe.
Catholicism is not based in truth, but training a naturally curious mind to instead believe in myth as fact.
Disappointed in this video. Seems like more of blaming the church - what about the responsibility of the LGBT community and the new unimaginable heights of sin they've been reaching?
Please come to the realization that you are living in a hate-world that you constructed yourself.
Not all gays are living sinful lives and I am one of them: 88 years old, no same-sex relationships, married for 18 years with 4 children: divorce, of course!
Gays were created by God to be who they are.
After all he created coyotes, weeds, and tulips and He loves all He created!
People like you wouldn't know Jesus if he met Him on the street!
Could I wear my Miraculous Medal while performing at OnlyFans? It is an important sacramental in my Roman Catholic faith.