@@elvadiatolputt9742not with M1917 markings, it isn’t. The British .455’s pre date the M1917. This one was probably fitted with the barrel and cylinder from a 2nd model hand ejector for some reason. Probably had two damaged revolvers and made one out of both.
Wow! That's an interesting one! I've seen several 1917's in .455 that were factory made that way. Probably private purchased revolvers. I kind of wonder if it was made either from a leftover US frame, or if it was a US issued revolver, then rebuild and sent as a lend lease weapon? This one really is worthy of getting a letter from S&W to at least understand how it left the factory and who was the initial buyer. That is a fantastic revolver!
Haha, Very Nice to see You Back on YT my Friend ,with a Nice short video. I actually get Dirty Harry Vibes from That Revolver from the looks... .44 Mag. Vibes. Wish ya a great Sunday
Maybe another Indiana Jones gun😂😂😂 just kidding glad to see forest firearms back! Missed y'all and for a suggestion can y'all see maybe doing a video on the mauser c96 red 9?
If it's a British contract S&W in 455 Webley, it's supposed to also take 45 colt as well as opposed to the American M1917s by both Colt & S&W, which were only in 45 ACP
My guess is rear it was a war time private purchase, as all officers were required to purchase their own firearms, and after the war it’s been tinkered with. The rough barrel and US army grip being evidence of that. That front blade also seems to be a home made modification done during the same time I imagine.
Parts gun build most likely. The Mk2 hand ejects and the 1917 are essentially the same just different calibers (and the cylinder is different in the 1917 for allowing clips).
If it is war time production, a lot of the finer finishing was forgone in favour of speed of production, so I wouldn't read too much into the barrel finish. That front blade sight might have been added when the pistol was shot to confirm it's accuracy and zero. If it was shooting too high, a taller front blade sight would have been added. A soft metal like copper is easier to fine adjust with a file.
The quick answer is to use cerasafe (serasafe?) to take a casting of a chamber. That will answer your questions. As to the pistol itself, I suspect it is a WW1 bring back. One of the ugly truths of WW1 was that American Doughboys were heavily reliant on British & French armaments.
The Smith and Wesson Triple Lock was sold to Britain and Canada along with other revolvers of other companies to compensate for the slow production of Webley Mk.V's (Although the purchase slowed after the MK.VI was introduced and Webley managed to catch up) .What you are holding is a Mk.II , a modification requested to Smith and Wesson that removed various features for increased Battlefield effectivity , such as removing the Ejector Shroud (Minus the locking lug) and the Oil Grooved that ended up just accumulating mud . So it is technically not an M1917 but a predecessor . These guns (Including the Colt New Service) were sometimes favoured by Soldiers over the Webley revolvers .
So British needed guns they need help really bad and asked America for guns so america already got Smith and Wesson to build revolvers and colt to build revolvers because the issued handgun was the 1911 and we didn't have enough of them so they chambered them to shoot 45 acp with moon clips so anyway when Britain needed more guns they didn't have enough of they're Webley s we sent them the colts and smiths chambered in 455 Webley and I have one fully restored chrome plated with me black vz grips looks like it just left the factory and it's one of my favorite guns I love it
Maybe it started life as a 1917, then someone rebuilt it to 455? Someone's project gun from after WW2. Or, it is an original 455, but someone stamped 1917 on the grip.
Nope, 1917s use a different frame. It's definitely a S&W no.2 hand ejector, which were originally produced from 1915-17 in 455 Webley for the British. The only mystery is how "US ARMY MODEL 1917" got stamped in the butt
I know this video is over a year old, but I think I know more or less what this is and I can't find anyone else who's said it so I'll leave it as a comment anyways. If you look closely at the chamber rims, there's a little rebate in there, and those chambers run nearly to the end of the cylinder before they narrow down to the throats. This is a very common modification on 2nd model hand ejectors that was done on these guns to allow them to chamber .45 Colt, and still properly headspace .455 Webley since the rims on those cartridges are wide enough to bridge the gap and rest on the original cylinder face. The 2nd model hand ejector and the S&W model 1917 used the exact same frame, the only differences being that the 1917's had slightly shorter barrels and were chambered and barreled for .45 ACP on moon clips. I think what happened is someone had a model 1917 laying around during the interwar period, possibly with some sort of issue with the barrel or cylinder, and they decided to buy up a cylinder and barrel from a 2nd Model converted to .45 Colt that had been stripped for parts. If there was something wrong with the original gun's barrel/cylinder, this would fix it. It would also provide a marginal power boost shooting the more powerful .45 Colt. The .45 Colt originally used .454" diameter bullets, while .45 ACP used .452" bullets. After WWII, Colt decided they should start loading their .45 Colt ammunition with .452" bullets since there were a lot more 1911's in circulation, and started making their cylinders and barrels the correspondingly tighter diameter. If the modification had been done post WWII, they wouldn't have needed to switch out the barrel from the tighter .45 ACP one to the .455 one. The sight modification was likely done because the .45 Colt cartridge would've been hitting much higher than the .455 Webley that sight was originally filed for, due to muzzle rise and the increased recoil of the more powerful cartridge. So yes, it is a frankengun, and you should try shooting some (gentle, original spec) .45 Colt rounds through it.
Someone put the barrel and cylinder from a 2nd model hand ejector, on a M1917 frame. Maybe back in the days when half moon clips were scarce, or possibly ruined the barrel on the M1917 and repaired it with whatever was available.
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The revolver is a Smith and Wesson MK2 hand ejector, it’s a factory made 455 revolver made for the British army
Yes it is
@@elvadiatolputt9742not with M1917 markings, it isn’t. The British .455’s pre date the M1917. This one was probably fitted with the barrel and cylinder from a 2nd model hand ejector for some reason. Probably had two damaged revolvers and made one out of both.
Wow! That's an interesting one! I've seen several 1917's in .455 that were factory made that way. Probably private purchased revolvers. I kind of wonder if it was made either from a leftover US frame, or if it was a US issued revolver, then rebuild and sent as a lend lease weapon? This one really is worthy of getting a letter from S&W to at least understand how it left the factory and who was the initial buyer. That is a fantastic revolver!
That’s not a bad idea!
Glad to see y’all back!
So good to have you back
Haha, Very Nice to see You Back on YT my Friend ,with a Nice short video. I actually get Dirty Harry Vibes from That Revolver from the looks... .44 Mag. Vibes. Wish ya a great Sunday
Great to see you upload again!
Maybe another Indiana Jones gun😂😂😂 just kidding glad to see forest firearms back! Missed y'all and for a suggestion can y'all see maybe doing a video on the mauser c96 red 9?
If it's a British contract S&W in 455 Webley, it's supposed to also take 45 colt as well as opposed to the American M1917s by both Colt & S&W, which were only in 45 ACP
My guess is rear it was a war time private purchase, as all officers were required to purchase their own firearms, and after the war it’s been tinkered with. The rough barrel and US army grip being evidence of that. That front blade also seems to be a home made modification done during the same time I imagine.
Parts gun build most likely. The Mk2 hand ejects and the 1917 are essentially the same just different calibers (and the cylinder is different in the 1917 for allowing clips).
If it is war time production, a lot of the finer finishing was forgone in favour of speed of production, so I wouldn't read too much into the barrel finish.
That front blade sight might have been added when the pistol was shot to confirm it's accuracy and zero. If it was shooting too high, a taller front blade sight would have been added. A soft metal like copper is easier to fine adjust with a file.
what kind of watch are you wearing? cant get a clean shot of it but it seems to be some fleiger inspired time piece.
Welcome back Ivan ✌️😎
So glad to see You! ;DDD
Awesome find!!
does the frame have the flaming bomb arsenal mark on the left hand side?
It's really fantastic video
The quick answer is to use cerasafe (serasafe?) to take a casting of a chamber. That will answer your questions.
As to the pistol itself, I suspect it is a WW1 bring back.
One of the ugly truths of WW1 was that American Doughboys were heavily reliant on British & French armaments.
"Hey kid.... have you ever danced with the devil on a pale moonlight?"
Odds are someone had a 1917 and a 455 mk II and/or parts of both and merged them together to make this revolver.
Pacific Northwest or Maine?
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The Smith and Wesson Triple Lock was sold to Britain and Canada along with other revolvers of other companies to compensate for the slow production of Webley Mk.V's (Although the purchase slowed after the MK.VI was introduced and Webley managed to catch up) .What you are holding is a Mk.II , a modification requested to Smith and Wesson that removed various features for increased Battlefield effectivity , such as removing the Ejector Shroud (Minus the locking lug) and the Oil Grooved that ended up just accumulating mud .
So it is technically not an M1917 but a predecessor .
These guns (Including the Colt New Service) were sometimes favoured by Soldiers over the Webley revolvers .
Why were they favoured?
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Better made , usually .That or ease of use .
@@liammeech3702 and some folks favored the Webley as well. Both are solid weapons.
What you have is a pieced together gun lol those guns are good shooters I have one I keep by my bed
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They’er back!
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Fun.
So British needed guns they need help really bad and asked America for guns so america already got Smith and Wesson to build revolvers and colt to build revolvers because the issued handgun was the 1911 and we didn't have enough of them so they chambered them to shoot 45 acp with moon clips so anyway when Britain needed more guns they didn't have enough of they're Webley s we sent them the colts and smiths chambered in 455 Webley and I have one fully restored chrome plated with me black vz grips looks like it just left the factory and it's one of my favorite guns I love it
I'm assuming all the numbers match?
Maybe it started life as a 1917, then someone rebuilt it to 455? Someone's project gun from after WW2. Or, it is an original 455, but someone stamped 1917 on the grip.
Nope, 1917s use a different frame. It's definitely a S&W no.2 hand ejector, which were originally produced from 1915-17 in 455 Webley for the British. The only mystery is how "US ARMY MODEL 1917" got stamped in the butt
I know this video is over a year old, but I think I know more or less what this is and I can't find anyone else who's said it so I'll leave it as a comment anyways. If you look closely at the chamber rims, there's a little rebate in there, and those chambers run nearly to the end of the cylinder before they narrow down to the throats. This is a very common modification on 2nd model hand ejectors that was done on these guns to allow them to chamber .45 Colt, and still properly headspace .455 Webley since the rims on those cartridges are wide enough to bridge the gap and rest on the original cylinder face. The 2nd model hand ejector and the S&W model 1917 used the exact same frame, the only differences being that the 1917's had slightly shorter barrels and were chambered and barreled for .45 ACP on moon clips.
I think what happened is someone had a model 1917 laying around during the interwar period, possibly with some sort of issue with the barrel or cylinder, and they decided to buy up a cylinder and barrel from a 2nd Model converted to .45 Colt that had been stripped for parts. If there was something wrong with the original gun's barrel/cylinder, this would fix it. It would also provide a marginal power boost shooting the more powerful .45 Colt. The .45 Colt originally used .454" diameter bullets, while .45 ACP used .452" bullets. After WWII, Colt decided they should start loading their .45 Colt ammunition with .452" bullets since there were a lot more 1911's in circulation, and started making their cylinders and barrels the correspondingly tighter diameter. If the modification had been done post WWII, they wouldn't have needed to switch out the barrel from the tighter .45 ACP one to the .455 one. The sight modification was likely done because the .45 Colt cartridge would've been hitting much higher than the .455 Webley that sight was originally filed for, due to muzzle rise and the increased recoil of the more powerful cartridge.
So yes, it is a frankengun, and you should try shooting some (gentle, original spec) .45 Colt rounds through it.
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Probably .455 Eeley. Basically .45 Colt.
Someone put the barrel and cylinder from a 2nd model hand ejector, on a M1917 frame. Maybe back in the days when half moon clips were scarce, or possibly ruined the barrel on the M1917 and repaired it with whatever was available.
It's a second model hand ejector made for the British Army in WWI. I have one... Or maybe not! As far as I know the 1917 model was in 45 ACP only!
It's a Lynn Lisa gun. c&r Arsenal
Could tell you everything about it.