Exploring a $4,700,000 Abandoned Mansion with Tennis Court and Gucci Left Behind | Found $100,000

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  • @fernandovelarde0825
    @fernandovelarde0825 5 месяцев назад +13

    I like how you narrate the story of the house and it’s owners. You are respectful of the things they left behind. There’s definitely a sad story for the families who owned it. A gentle reminder to us that our possessions are nothing once we consume our lives here. Please wear a mask coz molds in abandoned houses can make you sick.

  • @hawaiianpunchoner
    @hawaiianpunchoner 9 месяцев назад +13

    I love this channel...I can appreciate all the fancy expensive stuff but what I'm reminded of is it's just empty stuff without family and loved ones.

  • @jomama5186
    @jomama5186 2 года назад +160

    Guys, PLEASE wear special masks in there. You can die from getting bacteria in your lungs. A friend of ours was cutting an old tree down and breathed in dusty bird pooo. Dead in 2 weeks. Lungs can be very delicate and I don't want you all getting sick at all! And sorry, I am a Mom and worry and think I'm everybody's Mom now that I am older. 🙏❤

    • @sheilak3835
      @sheilak3835 2 года назад +8

      Yes. The MOULDS R VERY VERY BAD ID NEVER GO IN WITHOUT MASKS AND CLEAR EYE GOGGLES!!

    • @sheilak3835
      @sheilak3835 2 года назад +4

      YES AND URINE AND DEER MOUDE DROPPINGD VAN GIVE U "HANTA VIRUS" I DROPLET INHALED ... UR DEAD IN 4 DAYS VERY VERY SERIOUS. KILLER DISEASE!!!!

    • @parttimefairy1237
      @parttimefairy1237 2 года назад +9

      My sister nearly died from hantavirus! It most commonly spreads from mouse droppings, which is no doubt all over some abandoned places.

    • @domarkerus
      @domarkerus 2 года назад +1

      I legit had no idea, thank you. But I don’t think it will be a problem to wear masks since… you know

    • @sweettrubble4635
      @sweettrubble4635 2 года назад +5

      I have been thinking the same thing watching these guys explore old buildings. So much dust and filth. Gloves and masks a must. Maybe goggles, too.

  • @morecowbell235
    @morecowbell235 2 года назад +101

    I like exploring but I always get sad when I see that places have been trashed by others.
    There's no reason or right to trash something that isn't yours. Leave it for the next people to enjoy. I'm glad you guys don't trash and steal things from these places.

  • @sschumer23
    @sschumer23 Год назад +13

    I wonder if any families have ever contacted them telling them that used to be their family home etc. Would be cool for him to get full details and stories.

  • @tomrogers9467
    @tomrogers9467 2 года назад +64

    “The Insurance Company was stealing money from it’s clients”. Well, yes, that’s what they all do!

    • @annawallace3264
      @annawallace3264 Месяц назад +3

      yes we had it happen to us by an Insurance Co……greed that’s it!

  • @Neuwerks
    @Neuwerks 2 года назад +79

    House appears to have actually been built in 1984 and has had additions over the years including the out buildings and pool. Insane that property & school taxes for that place are over $100,000 and is still being paid! County records indicate the home was was re-deeded to family. Not the most expensive house in that area, would be awesome to see the place across the street!

    • @1000CalorieSnackPack
      @1000CalorieSnackPack 2 года назад +17

      @@joshuanicholson1315 Great...now people are guna go and wreck this place.

    • @243wayne1
      @243wayne1 Год назад +5

      @@1000CalorieSnackPack Watch me not care.

    • @johnnied8734
      @johnnied8734 Год назад +8

      @@1000CalorieSnackPack This excuses are BS. Most people in the surroundings already know where the place is and, if they wanted to vandalize it, they would have done it anyway.
      Most people watching on the internet just want to google it and see the place from satellite.
      Urban explorers pretend to keep the locations secret for security reasons, but they actually do it because of selfishness and jealousy

    • @colleentitgen1356
      @colleentitgen1356 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@johnnied8734 I mean how do we know these urban explorers are honoring their word and not taking something off camera.

    • @johnnied8734
      @johnnied8734 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@colleentitgen1356 very much indeed.

  • @JeremyXplores
    @JeremyXplores 2 года назад +23

    You ALWAYS deliver, dude. Yesss

    • @BigBankz
      @BigBankz  2 года назад +4

      Haha thank you my dude!!

  • @josephinehunte1250
    @josephinehunte1250 2 года назад +96

    Love the granite tops in kitchen love wood cabinets. I wish people would stop trashing places and respect the properties, even if they r abandoned, some of these places may b or can b designated as historical sites. U never know....

    • @locabynature
      @locabynature 2 года назад +5

      this house is still in pretty good shape minus the mold in the basement. it could still have a chance if someone would spend a little time and money on it.

    • @PJL7095
      @PJL7095 2 года назад +1

      You’d would have to get that place for literally pennies on the dollar. It needs a lot of work & work means $$$. If it was remotely worthwhile it would be done.

    • @glennwall552
      @glennwall552 2 года назад +1

      Yar wombats watching a group on RUclips yesterday exploring historical old building you could see it was under restoration..one started locking into power tool cases all empty " bummer they're all gone." Then another " I just wants smash something!" Ugly little taggers.... turning stuff on and leaving it on...opening windows and doors left to allow weather in so angry.

  • @romie426
    @romie426 2 года назад +92

    lol I love the explanation on why they’re whispering and 2 seconds later, they’re making enough noise in the woods to alert everyone for miles that they’re there😂 great content as always man, love your vids. Btw, have you ever tried the front door?

  • @blanning2058
    @blanning2058 2 года назад +59

    "Guys let's be as quiet as possible"
    Proceeds to crunch through the woods making as much noise as possible 😂

  • @vondathrower2572
    @vondathrower2572 2 года назад +17

    I love that bathroom with all of that natural light!!

  • @christine_TK66
    @christine_TK66 2 года назад +65

    This place is incredible! Great video! Side note, if you find canned goods or other food items, check for expiration dates. That could get you somewhat closer to the abandonment date. Keep up the good work!

  • @b4gurl368
    @b4gurl368 Год назад +17

    Hi BB, I just started watching your videos and I enjoy exploring with you very much. It does make me a bit sad to see these places going to waste when there are people out there who could be taking care of it and living in it while it's being in an abandoned state.

  • @cherylpetrey2233
    @cherylpetrey2233 2 года назад +22

    Love this house the floors were gorgeous and the layout was beautiful

  • @blanning2058
    @blanning2058 2 года назад +41

    I would bet there's a secret room somewhere in that house.

  • @TheStoneWhisperer
    @TheStoneWhisperer 11 месяцев назад +1

    Another FANTASTIC Exploration video! Thanks for a wonderful view inside this beautiful home! Appreciate how you respect the properties you explore! 🙏🙏👌👌

  • @user-iamRobinV68
    @user-iamRobinV68 2 года назад +26

    That is an awesome mansion!!!! Great explore 🥰🥰🥰

  • @maggi666
    @maggi666 2 года назад +4

    I'm about to watch this. I must say that i like the way you present your videos, also the respect that you show!

  • @cherishnichole6096
    @cherishnichole6096 2 года назад +1

    I love these videos!! Thank you for sharing.

  • @VincentOtienoShow
    @VincentOtienoShow Год назад +26

    When you watch these luxury multi-million dollars abandoned house you realize that everything in this world is truly vanity.

  • @Whoever68
    @Whoever68 2 года назад +149

    Homes like this are lavish but certainly I would not want one. Makes me wonder how drastically the former owners lives have changed and where they might be living now. The higher up the harder the fall.

    • @mariah5056
      @mariah5056 2 года назад +18

      That was deep but true it’s sad

    • @JohnShinn1960
      @JohnShinn1960 2 года назад +11

      I know they were smart enough to have something hidden away, the amount I don't know. 🤔
      Their lives may have not changed at all.

    • @nicolaoffert4006
      @nicolaoffert4006 2 года назад +13

      There's still a lot of valuable stuff there, seems odd it hasn't been taken. I'd love to do this but I'd be scared of getting caught. I assume you guys get permission but it sure feels like you don't ! I love your channel, thanks for the brilliant videos !

    • @CatalinaFOIA
      @CatalinaFOIA 2 года назад +12

      Facts 💯 I'd never want a house of this caliber. You couldn't pay me to live there.

    • @joelbuzbee1750
      @joelbuzbee1750 2 года назад +18

      Wonder why this house was not put on the market - why do they allow such homes to just deteriorate- makes no sense- not my taste at all but someone would have purchased it.

  • @Paul1440p
    @Paul1440p 2 года назад +13

    Well a quick search from what he said in the backstory, It could be Joseph Ross. He had an insurance company which did close for fraud for 8 million in 2013 just as he suggested in the video. He was also a Baseball coach at Washington State University. Correct me if I'm wrong?

    • @bossblck6399
      @bossblck6399 Год назад

      He stole with Sheldon Silver? They stole from the Metropolitan Jewish poverty $9m.

    • @tpowell7159
      @tpowell7159 4 месяца назад

      Yep, looks like you have that correct. Thanks!!!

  • @karen81681
    @karen81681 2 года назад +10

    Omg😲🥰👌👏👏👏👏👏Absolutely beautiful!! All these gorgeous abandoned homes and millions of homeless people that need a place to live!! The staircase🥰🥰🥰

    • @Starbeoghtuser3475
      @Starbeoghtuser3475 3 месяца назад +1

      Why should a homeless person live in a mansion when people that work every day don’t?

  • @mariax6951
    @mariax6951 Год назад +5

    You should check the expiration dates on the stuff left in the pantry! That should get an idea to when it was abandoned..

    • @brentj.peterson6070
      @brentj.peterson6070 10 месяцев назад

      I say that every time they do a new video. You would have a good idea when it was abandoned.

  • @cmi7439
    @cmi7439 2 года назад +6

    Love that master bath & those windows overlooking the pool. I love a great view!
    Imagine the monthly utility bills alone with all those electrical boxes in the basement. These lavish lifestyle are almost impossible to sustain. Its hard to understand how anyone fortunate enough to own such an amazing property, can let it slip away.

  • @maricellabrooks5738
    @maricellabrooks5738 2 года назад +2

    Wow! That was some mansion! I love the way you make it like a great adventure. Great presentation!!!

  • @309lincoln
    @309lincoln 2 года назад +37

    The fuse boxes are massive! I wonder what the utility bill was like?

    • @kathywilliams5152
      @kathywilliams5152 2 года назад +3

      i’m not being critical in any way but fuses in houses went out many decades ago. Now it is an electric panel with breakers in it. Most houses have 200 amp but I wonder if a house this size would have a larger service.

    • @scottstempmail9045
      @scottstempmail9045 2 года назад +2

      @@kathywilliams5152 Yes, each panel looked like a 200 amp panel.

  • @youdaman5069
    @youdaman5069 2 года назад +6

    Rewatched it several times so far. The room in basement that you called a shower was a steam sauna. It did have a hand held shower for spraying down the area. I’ve seen similar at YMCA’s and other group work out gyms.

  • @linaoliveira8935
    @linaoliveira8935 Год назад +2

    What a wonderful, spectacular, ball-show mansion. They abandon and time ends up consuming everything. Congratulations, you find beautiful abandoned places. 🤩🤩

  • @josephinemiller4780
    @josephinemiller4780 2 года назад +32

    Sad what greed does to people.

  • @christinediaz9707
    @christinediaz9707 Год назад +1

    I love your channel. I love the way you explain everything. In the way you record you don’t go so fast you do an amazing job. Keep it up. God bless you.❤

  • @bradwyatt6705
    @bradwyatt6705 2 года назад +21

    Also, one of the closets you opened up stairs had a pair of Ballet slippers, then in the downstairs workout area there was a mirror and a silver metal Ballet Bar. Someone, maybe the daughter, was heavy into Ballet.
    Great find with that house. Great explore.

    • @TheRealMerkinSeason
      @TheRealMerkinSeason Год назад

      There’s a video up of 2 others dudes looking at this house saying that Rihanna owned it at one point.

  • @ariscaprice7766
    @ariscaprice7766 2 года назад +11

    Great find! Thanks for bringing us on the adventure. I liked and hit notifications

  • @catsuess1878
    @catsuess1878 2 года назад +8

    I'm a new subscriber & I love your work. Your videos are clean & thorough. Bible verse a great way to open. You're very respectful of the property. I enjoy your descriptions & reactions to what you see & find. If this belonged to the insurance guy who fleeced $8M from his customers, where is this place? His Hamburg estate was $6.3M. You state this place is $4.7M. Love to know location. We do some exploring (with respect to property & past owners) & would love to check this beautiful place out. It is an amazing property. It's a shame it had to be abandoned. This place deserves to be filled with family, love & laughter. Fantastic work! God bless you & your team. Looking forward to seeing more.

  • @jamiebabb4471
    @jamiebabb4471 2 года назад +4

    This was my favorite one so far!! Great find and we’ll done guys …. Thanks 😊

  • @isabelr1973
    @isabelr1973 2 года назад +2

    Thanks for sharing. Sending love from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @mikefitchNYC1971
    @mikefitchNYC1971 2 года назад +1

    This was an outstanding video! Awesome job!

  • @brandonowens1904
    @brandonowens1904 2 года назад +9

    I'm addicted to watching these "abandoned" videos

  • @asiaking9422
    @asiaking9422 2 года назад +8

    💙the bible verse in the begining.
    The house was big but unimpressive. The bathrooms were small. Kitchen was small. Thanks for the vid. Im ur new fan😛

  • @katkostan15
    @katkostan15 2 года назад +3

    I can't wait to see this!

  • @onthefencee
    @onthefencee 2 года назад +1

    Awesome home, thanks for sharing!

  • @mutatedsilverunicorn
    @mutatedsilverunicorn 2 года назад +66

    This house had to be abandoned around 2010ish because that's when the first angry birds came out. It's always amazing to see how much is left behind in places like this.

    • @akilchaney
      @akilchaney 2 года назад +2

      Do you know the name of the guy who had to abandon this house?

    • @brentxavier_b2370
      @brentxavier_b2370 2 года назад +3

      He said 2013

  • @maxmoovin
    @maxmoovin 2 года назад

    I just subscribed. I greatly enjoy your content. Your research detail and guts to enter the multiple structures calmly. Keep up the good work. Entertained from Colorado.

  • @ChrissiesPurpleLibrary
    @ChrissiesPurpleLibrary Год назад +1

    I just recently found your channel from Ethan Minnie! Love these locations. It’s crazy how much is just sitting and being wasted. Also, the scripture verse 💜👏🏾🙌🏾. Great video Bankz💜🔥🔥

  • @jomama5186
    @jomama5186 2 года назад +10

    Love the skylights. They had to hate leaving there.

  • @sarabeckham3647
    @sarabeckham3647 2 года назад +4

    Another very lovely home since this house was built in 1985 in the same year I was born into too so wow I hope someone can save this house indeed.

  • @adventuringwithtrevor447
    @adventuringwithtrevor447 2 года назад

    Great video bro as always!!

  • @debraschnieber8140
    @debraschnieber8140 2 года назад +2

    that is an awesome house, I enjoyed the video, so sad it is going to waste like that, thank you for sharing

  • @marilymtsosie4380
    @marilymtsosie4380 2 года назад +3

    You did a good job Really liked the way you went to all the room's

  • @brucebeamon5460
    @brucebeamon5460 2 года назад +5

    NORMALLY I not a fan of recent builds but THIS ONE ABSOLUTELY VERY NICE well built too .. Putting it on my MOST DEFINITELY YES LIST

  • @jomama5186
    @jomama5186 2 года назад +13

    Very smart never to go exploring alone.

  • @josephinehunte1250
    @josephinehunte1250 2 года назад +5

    Love those built in office desk, some good wood..

  • @jomama5186
    @jomama5186 2 года назад +7

    Wow, shame it sits empty. Great job! 🙏❤

  • @desarenas8554
    @desarenas8554 2 года назад

    im so amaze watching videos of abandon mansion..many people around the world have no shelter other people left their belongins hays..so so sad

  • @kristenhall8461
    @kristenhall8461 2 года назад

    All of your videos are so wonderful and I enjoy watching them all and may God bless you all

  • @rockinrobyn77
    @rockinrobyn77 2 года назад +18

    Love the double staircase. This house is massive & absolutely fascinating. Why didn't they or the bank in charge sell it??? What a shame that it's abandoned.

  • @happy2b773
    @happy2b773 2 года назад +14

    Enjoyed seeing this find very much. Thanks for sharing! Stay safe!

  • @josephinehunte1250
    @josephinehunte1250 2 года назад +12

    Yes make sure u hv ur face mask & gloves when u enter these mansions for health & safety measure, carry a couple of each

  • @lissa274
    @lissa274 Год назад +3

    Looks like a for closure by the way the upstairs is vacant.
    They were past eviction.
    They might of had money at one time but surely not when they left.
    Great explore:)

  • @josephinehunte1250
    @josephinehunte1250 2 года назад +3

    Hey there, u & ur amazing finds, great job great videos.

  • @samanthacourt
    @samanthacourt 2 года назад +3

    Absolutely stunning property.

  • @susanpantoja1503
    @susanpantoja1503 2 года назад +3

    Great place ashame its molding and being abandoned 😪😪
    Thanks for sharing 😍👌

    • @brucebeamon5460
      @brucebeamon5460 2 года назад

      The banks rather abandon these places , And let them deteriorate than sell them for less than it’s worth ... SHAMEFUL ! There SHOULD BE LAWS put in place to prevent this from. happening , There Lobbyists would fight and win ! 😒

  • @blwolz8772
    @blwolz8772 2 года назад +5

    Cool place. Odd shaped bedrooms. Definitely a lot of house.

  • @latriciacarlyle1640
    @latriciacarlyle1640 2 года назад +6

    Loved this explore its a shame this place got left behind like it did

  • @stevee5519
    @stevee5519 2 года назад +4

    Oh I love it!! Keep them mansions coming. Love your videos!!

  • @ericagrissom4800
    @ericagrissom4800 2 года назад

    I finally found it I sort of saw you guys do this place first and been searching for your video to watch the whole thing over good video.

  • @dianelafreniere1362
    @dianelafreniere1362 2 года назад +58

    That’s a gorgeous house, but I would never want to have that opulence at the expense or the hardship of others!! Obviously, he lost it all in the end!!

  • @maurisolomon5166
    @maurisolomon5166 2 года назад +4

    You would think with all the papers left behind there would be names of the owners…….awesome find. Cool explore.

  • @hailysims3706
    @hailysims3706 Год назад +2

    Great video! Wonderful shots and loved the history and extra details you added with smells and sounds,etc. About more than just the visual. I found this house to be horrid. Didn't like the layout, colors, and glass everywhere. Thank you for sharing!

  • @kieshawallace2090
    @kieshawallace2090 Год назад

    I want so badly to know all about this house. It is crazy!! Omg and the kitchen will most likely be the biggest teller of when homes became abandoned. Love your videos!!

  • @mariagasperazzo8245
    @mariagasperazzo8245 2 года назад +7

    So o lugar e paraíso com uma paisagem maravilhosa 💖 a casa 🏠 e linda demais espetáculo amei 💕❤️

  • @joannshelton6603
    @joannshelton6603 2 года назад +8

    I love watching your shows. It just amazes me how some can walk off or family leaves this stuff empty. And sad we have so many homeless people with empty houses this big. But I'd love to have this place lol.

  • @lsmalls8252
    @lsmalls8252 2 года назад +8

    standing in an almost 5 million dollar house: nothing
    already saw the elevator and the master closet that is like 2000 square feet: nothing...
    sees an empty prada shoebox: "these guys must have had money..." lollll

  • @GS-xt8fu
    @GS-xt8fu Год назад +2

    One of the most beautiful homes I’ve seen in a long time. When it was completed and clean it would have been absolutely gorgeous. They spared no expense on the materials in the home. I have a very nice house but not nearly that nice nor do I need one that large. However it is absolutely gorgeous it would’ve been something beautiful. It’s also a shame

  • @DaynaE65
    @DaynaE65 2 года назад +10

    If you’re trying to ascertain the last time people lived there, be sure to check the expiration dates of any food products or medicine bottles.

  • @tammyasbury6517
    @tammyasbury6517 Год назад

    Loved this house,love houses has so many rooms you get lost ,good explore

  • @Calmingsounds1234.
    @Calmingsounds1234. 2 года назад

    I love theses type of videos

  • @lakeishagalloway6840
    @lakeishagalloway6840 2 года назад

    That was so much fun I loved the video.

  • @amandarowell4932
    @amandarowell4932 Год назад +4

    Such a beautiful place to be abandoned. I cannot imagine having a home like that.

    • @bb-us4ew
      @bb-us4ew Год назад

      Probably not abandoned either foreclosed on or in probate with the family

  • @aolsweetsew
    @aolsweetsew 2 года назад +21

    Looks like they left in a hurry. Amazing how much money was sunk into that mansion, and how much was left behind. Thanks for the tour.

    • @243wayne1
      @243wayne1 Год назад

      Don't mention it Sue. Glad we could help and even more happy that you enjoyed our video!

    • @VincentOtienoShow
      @VincentOtienoShow Год назад +1

      No, they did not leave in a hurry. they are just so rich that they see no need to carry certain things.

  • @pony053
    @pony053 Год назад +3

    It's easy to live that lavish life, at the expense of others..guess it caught up with them. Nice find gentlemen...

  • @Mszahnclass95
    @Mszahnclass95 2 года назад +2

    It's crazy how big this mansion is .plus it's abandoned .I am surprised no ground keeper or guards

  • @holliepajak3772
    @holliepajak3772 2 года назад

    Stay safe . Kitchen was surprising not that big. Loved the master bedroom

  • @bettyjones3911
    @bettyjones3911 2 года назад +5

    Happy early Thanksgiving and God Bless

  • @susansanford9846
    @susansanford9846 Год назад

    Wonderful thanks was a great trip !

  • @JP-fe4ke
    @JP-fe4ke 2 года назад +17

    Wow ! I wonder what's going to happen to this place. It's a cool house it could be saved.

  • @jamesboberg
    @jamesboberg 2 года назад +9

    I wonder who cutting the lawn, it is so beautiful grass, I wish I would buy the house to be saved it forever. When I win the lottery then buy it.

  • @mariaangelina3936
    @mariaangelina3936 2 года назад +1

    Your place is beautiful!🌻

  • @michelletirey4057
    @michelletirey4057 Год назад +1

    Hey guys!! Great job on the guided tour of this mansion, very interesting!!! You mention about wearing a mask but in places like this it probably wouldn't hurt to go one step further and get respirators instead!!! I took a tour of the old Santa Fe prison, I don't know what I inhaled but I was sick for 3 months! It took 3 rounds of antibiotics to get well!!! You guys are young so take care of yourselves!!

  • @scotthall9525
    @scotthall9525 2 года назад +26

    Someone made the comment "these people had alot of money " well actually they didn't, they had alot of other people's money at least $8,000,000

  • @emmyguynn0000
    @emmyguynn0000 11 месяцев назад

    Insane is CORRECT...JUST WOW!!!GORGEOUSNESS...6 FAMILY'S could live in that easily..

  • @desertsunman5880
    @desertsunman5880 2 года назад +1

    Thx for the memories - yet so painful to see such beauty wrestling with a slow, daily death ...

  • @notofthisworld5267
    @notofthisworld5267 2 года назад +5

    My ex boyfriend’s parents had a house that was huge like this. It was beautiful, but it burned. They built a other one just as big and then divorced. Ppl that have money take for granted what many don’t or never will have.

  • @lindaschneidewind8164
    @lindaschneidewind8164 2 года назад

    Great explore!

  • @cinlyn
    @cinlyn Год назад +1

    This one Is more updated than most and absolutely beautiful.
    Master bathroom and closet are AMAZING!
    Why don't rich people buy / restore these mansions instead of building new?
    Has to be a lot cheaper.

  • @tammilynch3445
    @tammilynch3445 2 года назад

    Love this place, wow! Is all I can say.

  • @christinaeddings4171
    @christinaeddings4171 2 года назад +2

    I’m super interested in seeing what exactly is all in the house…did you take pictures of the items or videos going slow?

  • @MNorris1985
    @MNorris1985 2 года назад +9

    8 mil went missing 🤔 well you're looking where it went and a 3 mil private jet...freaking beautiful place though.

  • @kamsalirohith-
    @kamsalirohith- Год назад +1

    Really really loved the mansion a lot😍😍😍 and the way of life and standard of living of the family here ever since the construction of this,their joy and happiness are very much embedded in everycorner of the home and felt very pathetic for them..........