14,000 rpm RC 4 Cylinder Engine & 3 Speed MANUAL Gearbox!
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Howin L4-172 Specifications:
Displacement: 17.2cc (4×4.3cc)
Four-cylinder
Four-stroke
SOHC
Cylinder Diameter: 18.00mm
Stroke: 17.00mm
Rpm: 3000-15000rpm
Power: 2.4ps@13000rpm
Water Cooled
Fuel: Glow fuel (nitro) 20-25%
Ignition Method: Ignition Modules (Included)
480 starter motor
Starting Power: 12V/3S Li Battery (Not Included)
Dimensions: 15.2 x 10.1 x 10.6cm
Weight: 1200g
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YOU ARE AMAZING!!!
I’m a Lifetime Motörhead (78 yrs) and YOU SIR are a TRUE GENIUS.
I’d Love to see that set up in a chassis.
Again, Its an honor to see your work.
Thank you!!
Make the dogs shorter and wider rectangles instead of round pins. Distribute the load across a larger face rather than point loading on a barrel. Distance out from the face increases bending force. Distance out from center increases bending force. The more compact you make it both radially and axially the more robust it will be.
Take what this person said ^^ and combine that with your idea to make them out of steel. That should bring a damn near bullet proof trans for that 4 banger. 10/10 Awrsome content!!
This man already answer your question but go for a flex steel not to flex but this can decrease the vibration on it. Or make it a longer shift rotation.
Might also want to add a slight angle to the contact faces of the dogs. Think most motorcycles use this concept to help pull the dogs in toward each other under load. Helps gears engage better without the dog "bouncing" of the other when there's a small amount of overlap on initial contract. Might be tricky to machine though.
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@@frikcoetzer1776 and also a slight angle on the sliding face, so they are moving together when slipping.
Look at the transmission/reverse linkage for a traxxas t maxx. It will stop the buzzing and reduce the load on the servo in 1st and 3rd. Or you could also set endpoints on your transmitter if it supports that - looks great BTW :)
11:42 those universal joints between the clutch and the gearbox are moving radially quite a lot
I would employ CV joints.
Oh man, with load this is going to sound epic with those shifts! Amazing job as always 👌
Can this be used as a generator?
@@debbiebernhardt5406 there is no point of using that as a generator
@@mynameislev how much can it generate? If it can’t handle large loads would smaller loads due?
@@debbiebernhardt5406 these engines make roughly from .06-.09hp or about 45-70 watts. youd maybe be able to power a decent flashlight but not much anything else useful.
@@wormydiaz if it is that much, then a 8 cylinder mini should be able to generate enough power to run aux systems in a car
I think a clutch would remedy the problem. I've been at the stage you're at. The dogs always break off. I built a 3 speed transmission and tried a lot of things but it came down to creating clutch action between motor and transmission. I used an electric motor instead of a gas engine. I built a car and installed the transmission. You can see it being demonstrated on my RUclips video. I really enjoyed your video it is really cool. Keep it up!!
Nice to see gearbox lubricated and covered! Also, I think that dogrings should be made from some flexible metal that can absorb vibration, but not too flexible so it doesn't bent.
Make the dogs out of a softer metal than aluminum. Steel would turn your gears into a consumable when the dogs should be the point of wear. Try brass with smaller square dogs so there’s is more point of contact spreading the force of impact. Like 1mm dogs and 1.25mm slots on the gears themselves. Take a look at motocross bike transmissions and also use gear oil in a sealed case. Grease will only fly off the gears with heat and centrifugal force. Oil will always climb up the gears from the reservoir at the bottom of the case.
Try 5 dogs that are shorter and smaller. The point of a dog box is that so you can no lift shift and that’s why sequential gearbox box’s are big money for racing. ☺️
Also gotta use GL4 rated fluid since it causes the brass to develop a layer of oxidation that hardens/helps lubricate
With all that machining capability, could you make a synchromesh system instead of just dogs? Also, how does the clutch work? How do you start out from a stop? The engine idles like over 1500 RPM, doesn't it?
It looks to me like you are really pushing that engine and transmission hard. I'm not saying you shouldn't. I guess your goal is racing. Maybe you could video that transmission at high frame rate and play it back slow motion so we can see more what's happening. It's amazing how well it all works for being so small! Cool!
Has anyone made a servo-operated friction clutch, or a fluid coupled torque converter at this scale?
add a small spring or rubber in the engaging faces so you can reduce the impact while allowing a smoother engaging, add steel shafts across the teeth no need to make them out of steel, and add small chamfer tin the opposite side to the face that rest against the dog pin so they don't grind and just fall into the groove
Man I bet you had the biggest smile on your face seeing this work. I know I did. Freakin awesome bud, this needs to be in a RC car immediately lol. Will you need that big wheel too, or just let it do its thing? Amazing job and video. It runs so smoothly. I really want to see it in action. Will the torque of the wheels change everything? Or will it pop a wheelie in 1st and 2nd gear like my triple gear Schumacher 21 motor lol.
You make me want to get that bad boy back on the road again.
I cant wait to see what you have planned for this. You're one smart guy and I thoroughly enjoy your channel.
I’m sure the big wheel is just for load or else the engine rpm wouldn’t change at all when he shifts as the gearbox doesn’t require much power to spin at all.
I wouldn't make the dogs out of anything harder than what your gears are made of. The idea is that the dogs wear out before the gears so your failure point is less catastrophic. I'd just find a way to make them shorter and a tad wider to keep the forces closer to the body of the ring and mitigate the amount of torque at the base of the pins whilst simultaneously making them more robust with he size adjustment. You're extremely close though! Very cool!
You're making a whole new level of fun on this scale. There are so many uses for an engine that small and being able to select three speeds is amazing! That gearbox is spinning over 10,000rpm! Please keep developing this I love seeing your progress
Steel might work for the dog rings, but you might be chasing the failure elsewhere. I'd lean towards using brass, and redesigning so the teeth are much stronger. Once you have the traction and inertia of a car in the system, the dog rings are going to grenade if they're not at least an order of magnitude stronger.
Is it possible to automatically return the throttle servo to idle when shifting? If you have a microcontroller in the loop, it's just a few lines of code to coordinate it.
Like quickshifters on a bike do, except I think they kill the spark rather than the fuel iirc,
Add a clutch pack
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Love watching your videos. All my childhood wonders and visions coming to life thru your builds. Literally all the craziest things I thought were impossible YOU made possible. Would there ever be a chance for someone to own one of your creations? Like a actual working car or even a table top model sort of like this?
I was thinking of redoing the brass synchros then making a sealed gearbox housing to be able to put transmission oil.
Bravo for the quality work!
Also, did you try downshifting? Lol this is one of the coolest things I've ever seen, definitely make them out of metal, have extra gears on standby hahaha 😆. Great job bud, it's so cool to see something you thought up, built and ran, work like it should. 👏 👏 👏 👏 Just awesome
it can't "downshift" as you mean because of the centrifugal clutch
@@dmartinr41 he did it in the video, the downshifting would only apply the clutch more
I run brass dogs on my tamiya semi and they stick under load I think steel would be great but with a nylon bushing in the center to slide
Awesome video as always
It seems that the strength of the dogrings is more of an issue than lubrication, but once everything is made of metal, I think filling the transmission roughly halfway with gear oil (and maybe the grease too) would be a good idea. And set endpoints on the shifter servo so it stops buzzing as others have said. Only make it throw the linkage far enough to get into gear.
For lubricant you’d want to use one or the other, not both, grease isn’t soluble in oil so it’ll just make a mess, grease in this case would probably be best as the case doesn’t really have to be sealed as it would with oil, but having a sealed case with a gear oil bath would give better lubrication
I find it amazing all these great machines use the Dewalt router as their router. Every machine at my job uses it. I love it.
The attention to detail in the engine is mind blowing, amazing the way its been engineered like that with so much detail, it blew my mind.,,it sounds like a mini motorbike engine the way it spooled up so quickly, fantastic the way it blew through the gears. Wow.
A couple of things. The dogs should be rectangle.
A tip is to also cut a back angle on the dogs teeth and the matching hub/slider, this ensures that when the dogs are engaged they lock together.
Also even though they can be shifted at WOT there still needs to be some load taken off the dogs by either slightly lifting the throttle or as we do in race cars is cut ignition. Obviously that’s not an option for you.
Square up the connection pins and use aluminum instead of Teflon. Try a 2:3 ratio for the pins.
This guy will have his own tiny army and take over the world with tiny cars and tanks
Holy cow dude! I love the tiny engine content... but BANGING GEARS through a tiny gear box ?! Now that's just awesome!!!!
I'd love to see different motors with a similar demonstration.
wonderful design. Try to make the external structure of the transmission in colorless material and in such a way that it is well sealed, and then instead of using bearing grease, use transmission oil, because I believe that with the grease in a few minutes you may lack lubrication and start creating stress on the parts. Congratulations on the project and dedication.
A scaled down synchromesh would be awesome to see, I don’t know how it would perform being so small though.
thank you for your videos I love them so much also appreciate the fact that you don't narrate or talk I'm sure you're a great person but I really love just not seeing people's faces when they're talking about the product and you make such an amazing product
l second that not talking through the video... in technical repairs or builds such as this one some people talk too much. all the talking is done with your mind and your hands, thanks.
with gears made of aluminum dogs of plastic, shape those dogs into rectangle as mentioned previously. next try stronger material im guessing is carbon reinforced plastic ?
anyways, try stronger material as needed til you find the strength needed without damaging aluminum gears...
27nov2022.dellthecomputer
Nice work
I agree dog rings out of steal or maybe brass. In full sized applications they are usually a very robust material.
I think it would be really neat if you could make a sealed gearbox case that used actual gear oil. You seem very talented at this small scale applications. I understand it’s a big undertaking but man that would be awesome.
I wish I was this good at something. Keep up the great work!
I still want to see someone build an RC car that is controlled by a racing wheel. Imagine driving an rc car with googles, steering wheel and a 6 speed manual gearbox. This is very cool though. I really enjoy watching you make things. Keep it up!
WOW! amazing sound of the gear box !!!
Geait job!
Have you thought of making the dogs out of Aluminium and the gears out of Plastic? As seen in the test, the teeth as realy the weakpoint an i think swaping the materials would work fine. Also a radii in thr corners would help a lot!
that's a good idea
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27nov2022.dellthecomputer
I would like to see the power output in each gear and then just the engine! Great work as always!
hardened steel dogs should do it 😅 Great work as always man
So nice to see this contraption finally come together, good job.
Use brass for the dog rings! That's what they use in automotive applications, but they also use an oil that causes the brass to develop a layer of oxidation that hardens/helps lubricate, so idk if using grease changes that enough to matter.
In many automotive standard transmissions, the Synchronizers are made out of Brass or bronze. That is what I would suggest making your next set out of. Also, I think it is fine that you made the load mounts with bushings but, why didn’t you just use bearings? Anyway, still enjoyed the watching the project. Thanks for the vid
Whoa!! The needle crank bearings are awesome!!!! I do see some major issues developing over time with that setup but hey, not like this thing is powering a semi truck. Its adding moving parts to an already chaotic atmosphere, internals of an internal combustion engine. Over time, no matter what you do, metal particles WILL make their way into those bearings. The second one of those needles gets scored enough to render it just the slightest bit smaller than the others, it will create insane vibrations and throw off the harmonics of the whole engine in turn causing catastrophic failure. Like i said, not an issue with this little guy but, a production engine thats gonna do 100,000 miles or more definitely an issue. Not to mention one could get something stuck between itself and the race causing it to stop rotating. Hell they could even bind up with one another because theres no seperation girdle.
The load was too small for the engine, it revs too quickly to notice that it changed gear. I wonder how it sounds when a bigger load is attached to it. Maybe it'll sound like a life sized one. Anyways, your contents brought smiles to millions of people. Keep up the good work man.
indeed ! maybe the load was too much for the plastic dogs...
redesign the dogs to rectangle and maybe it won't be a problem for the fully assembled vehicle-- depends on the weight of the vehicle compared to the load you're using here....
27nov2022.dellthecomputer
At those rpms the gears are going to fling all the grease off in short order. Suggest some kind of oil bath. Maybe seal up that case and fill it a third full.
Steel gears are a must I'd also say double the belt from engine to clutch with twin pulleys the belt might be the next weak point reving that high, beautiful workmanship as always to
It seems to me that the teeth on the dog rings are usually trapezoidal, so that they find alignment, but then once everything is lined up, you can have more and thicker teeth engage. I think that would give you less breakage.
If it were me doing it - I would make it all out steel - put it in a casing where it can draw up some lubricator- that sucker would work slick as hell. Really damn cool.
Steel or brass dogs are a must, and with a lot more teeth (6-8 minimum) to spread the load among them. Don't forget to chamfer the tops to ease engagement and reduce any gouging of the female parts. as they'll just act like a high-speed milling-cutter!
I'd be interested to see how hot the internals get after a long run under load, that'll likely show you the next point of faliure too! I love the case, it'll help keep the grease in, but if you find that localised heat build-up is an issue, you'll need to switch to using oil.
If you make a small radius at the bottom of the dogs flange face you will eliminate the stress riser causing the dogs to snap. Basically you are providing a place for the crack to start like a crease in paper.
Make the dog rings out of brass, it will have some natural give to it being softer than steel and harder than plastic 👌🏻👍🏻
Crazy grease is also amazing. I use it on all my RC gears and builds.
Steel dogs will make it sound like a mini race transmission, but it's going to be really hard on the gears if you're doing it under load. It will transfer the shock to the gear mesh where you only have a tooth or two in contact at a time. I'd keep the dogs made of a softer material and make the engagement shorter and fatter- more rampart than tower if that makes more sense.
I was thinking of making the dog rings out of carbon fiber
You should really set end points for your shifting servo or itll burn out!
I think brass dog rings and a gearbox with oil, not necessarily a heavy gear oil but something lightweight. Awesome job all the same.
Absolutely incredible little project that you have got going on there 👌🏻
If the gears are aluminum, steel wouldn't be the best material for the dog rings. It will probably tear up the gears. I would do a phosphor bronze or even copper. Alternatively, you could attempt to make a single slip ring using an abrasive against a set of brass mating surfaces, as you do still have input torque from flywheel momentum creating a jolt on the dogs.
JohhnyQ90 back at it with another stellar build! Aftermarket for these lil engines is what makes a geat head, a gear head! Keep up the work, it's paying off!!!
Having all 5 bearings makes this thing immediately 100 times better than the Toyan 4.
11:51 - might want address the shaft balance issues there before either the gearbox bearings explode, or the ending bearings, or the U joint!
Едренакопать, чел ты крут! хотелось бы увидеть такое чудо в маленькой RC машине)
You can set end points on the TX so your servo isn't buring up. You can use the dual rate I think.
This would make a fun remote control car or truck. The engine sounds beautiful.
Edit. I have no idea what to make them out of.
2:32 the drill bit makes a sound like an up keyed universal studios theme clip
so sick ! that sound of revs vrs shifting is gonna be so cool in a car !
You could try converting a water pump to use some sort of gear oil so it can be sprayed over the gears to keep them cool and lubricated.
You need a way to take the load off the transmission momentarily when you shift otherwise your gears spin at full power and the dogs are slowing down and when they come together it bangs the teeth. Old Harley transmissions are known for this problem, esp 2nd gear. You could also make a type of pressure synchro that goes between the gear and the dog with a light spring and some friction material. You should have gear oil not grease also not full to the top just about 1/4 of the way full.
just wondering why oil instead of grease ?
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27nov2022.dellthecomputer
Try brass dogs, with larger, shorter teeth, set closer to the centre of the dogs. If the gears are made from an oil-resistant (stabilised) material, then perhaps try to design the gearcase to be in an oil-bath, like a traditional automotive transmission. The bottom portion of the main gears being semi-submerged in oil will act as a vibration dampener when at that small size, and the splash-lubrication would be good for cooling as well.
Yes, definitely make the gears out of steel. I could watch machining videos all day.
Hey! I have the same transmitter for my RC stuff. Has been pretty great except sometimes the steering doesn't go completely back to neutral input when you're not touching the wheel. That being said, I do like that it has so many features, like exponential adjustment, virtual end point adjustments, ABS control, launch control, and many, many more. I would give it an 8 out of 10. I do like that you can get super simple or up to 6 channel recievers for it. And that it has if I remember right, 10 model memory.
Also, bronze may be a good choice for the sliding shift collars. Not as hard as steel, but tougher than plastic. And, that's generally what legit manual transmission synchronizers are made of.
This is essentially a motorcycle gearbox and you try to make it a quickshift which is quite common on bikes these days. Think you missed one thing in the concept though. The moment between increasing and decreasing rpm is the moment to shift clutchless, you can even do this on an old bike without quickshift, because at precisely that moment there is no accelerating nor decelerating force on the gearbox. On modern bikes, and any other race engine, this moment is achieved by cutting the ignition for a fraction of a second. That's all you need to do.
Synchrons! I want to see it with bronze synchrons! Amazing work by the way! Keep up!
This is definitely one of your cooler builds!
dogs are supposed to be dovetail shape on the mating surfaces, so they stay in gears under load and don’t try to pull apart
Great video as always. Got to show an updated version of your shop. Its been awhile. 🙃🙃🙃
My first instinct for this is to get a little arduino nano and fit it between the radio reciever and the servos so that when you tell it to switch up or down a gear it can automatically lift up off the throttle. in regular car engines you would have a clutch to disengage the power but lifting off the power was the old way of doing it before clutches were a thing. the only other way of doing it is to have sensors on the gear box to time when they angague like on a formula one car but that's even more complicated and still an electronic control system.
It annoys me that those little engines make it look like they’re double overhead cam but it’s just an idler pulley. Great video and craftsmanship as always.
Nice work. A suggestion would be to have a tachometer on the large flywheel and one on the engine to show the differences in RPM between the two.
Maybe make the dog rings out of carbon fiber... could be stronger than the plastic but lighter than steel. I think the rotational mass of the steel might snap the input shaft on shifts
Add a clutch pack to prevent the dogs from damaging as well as using metal
Need Tacky grease.. or try Lucas Oil additive. That stuff is amazing.
Sticks to the gears..
I'm surprised you didn't go with steel in the first place, but looks like it's gonna be awesome!
Might as well go with a 6 speed manual next! Great work as always.
and I didn't see a reverse, yet...
Amazing construction.👍 Maybe add a gear synchro?
I'd love to see what you could do with a full size cnc machine and the budget to go crazy with it
In bikes a "quickshifter" cuts ignition and fuel to prevent damage to the gearbox when shifting up under load. If the engine uses spark plugs this should be worth a try. Making them out of steel just breaks something else. Just a thought.
You could set up a system where a device knows what gear the transmission by where the selector arm is and can interpolate what RPM the engine needs to be to be in whatever gear you are selected therefore always being rev matched.
A small CVT would be awesome if there's something out there
I think it would be better to have a transmission submerged in oil instead of grease. The first case you printed with some RTV on the caps could work. I would use a heavy motor oil. Lighter than gear oil, but still better film strength. I'd start at 30 weight, or try 15w40 or 20w50. Someone mentioned changing the same of the dog teeth to better distribute force, and I concur. I would also shape the dogs to there is more of a "ramp" engagement instead of right angles. Kinda like how cork in a wine bottle is conical
It's the best motor yet and shifting ain't easy
sir, you can build another rc car from this, AMAZING
I agree with you about making the dog ring's out steel cause that's a lot of RPM for plastic to handle
9:20 we can hear engine speed, but can not notice change of speed of fly whell when shifting gears. You should next time put tacho on fly whell.
Do make the dog rings out of steel, maybe try making a sealed gearbox case as well which can be filled with oil instead of having to put grease on the gears.
Yes steel will have a much slippery change during gearing and longevity. Aluminum will just get wear out jamming till destroyed. Nice project!. 👍
Imagine if all nitro rc cars came with engines like these? They’d be so popular in the car community
Or aluminum for the ease of wear. Steel but steel on steel is what I think real dog box’s have so. Keep building Love it
I was using split needle bearing back in 1965 for textile machinery.
make rc truck from this stuff,its gona be owesome
5:13 -How much lube would you like?
- _Yes please_
Hey man🤘 I’m here to say that the best part of this concept will be the downshifts 🤤it’ll be the first fuel based scale engine rc build to acuity go through down shifts.
Have you guys yet seen the blower engine, it has that classic roots blower winding sound. We’re getting to that point… imagine all those features in one build.
WTF!! seriously, amazing....speechless!
This engine is better and more reliable than engines in BMW's
the separated bearings is what outboards used for many years