This is the first time I've seen a Muslim/Ex-Muslim bring up what happened to Yezidi women, and it immediately brought tears to my eyes. Not very many acknowledge what happened to our women 😢
My husband had UD interpreters in 2009 Iraq that were such wonderful people. The group that turned into Isis was on his radar when he was there, and so we learned about the plight of Yezidi early on. I want you to know that I spent hours a day over many months, writing letters and emails and phone calls to everyone. I could think of to try to get attention onto what was happening on Mount Sinjar. I tried to connect women who escaped from Isis to our state department to the media to people in Congress to various NGO, or anyone who could either move the issue into the spotlight or help women who escaped recover or Anyone or anything who could help. I still keep the Yezidi people in my thoughts and prayers along with the Hostages held by Hamas. 🦚
I had cousin that lived there and her husband was a pilot for the prince... In her home the only thing she had to do physically was keep her and her husband's room clean, everything else was handled by maids, when her marriage started going south, she had three children two girls and a boy.... Her husband told her she could take the girls but.... she's not taking the boy.... So my cousin had to get an escape plan, there's some really, really great people there! My cousin was able to flee with all three of her children... Thank God... So for her that was pretty traumatic, they're all grown now... so I don't know what or if they've ever seen their dad again, because he's on the no-fly list.
@@perfectdawah4535are you still Muslim? And who says she won't get the truth from ex-Muslims?? She definitely will choose whom SHE CHOOSES to get her information from and her true stories from. Are you a Muslim woman? If you want to tell your story you should contact Shelise.
@Miapetdragon69 Glad your cousin got out with all three of her children! The fear of the marriage going bad would eliminate any of the joy of having maids and servants and an opulent lifestyle.
@therealdeal3672 I am an ex apostate. I was wrong when I became atheist. That was because I didn't have the right knowledge of Islam. I am a great enemy of that radical Islam. We are a group of Muslims who believe in absolute equality between men and women. How can I contact Shelise?
@@perfectdawah4535well the channel is Cults to Consciousness, so most of her interviews are with people who have left high demand religions and completely changed their perspective. But I imagine Shelise may be interested in talking with you. If not her you might try Apostate Aladdin. To find Shelise's information it is in the video description where it says "more..." and you can click that and find all her different social media contact information.
Always a pleasure to listen to two beautiful smart compassionate women talk and always a useful learning experience as well. If nothing else, you are both great role models, leading by example with a well balanced world view which is something we all need more of ❤
@@chrissy138 My cousins best friend was raped by a priest. She was only 12 years old and he got her pregnant once her father found out he blamed her. She killed herself. Nothing happened to her rapist nothing. He raped more then 20 young girls.
My dad told me about "Chop Chop Square" many years ago when I was little. He visited Saudi Arabia at times on assignment for the US Air Force. He said some people on his crew went but he refused; he was NOT comfortable with that at all.
Thank you for part 2. Brave, courageous, articulate. Both of you. Good questions. Insightful answers. I really hope all the Cults to Consciousness stories are heard far and wide. So important.
It has been so enlightening to listen to Parts 1 & 2 of Nuriyah's journey. It is good to hear first hand accounts of living in certain cult circumsrances. Her journey reminds me of the movie, "Not Without My Daughter" with Sally Fields and Alfred Moulina. This movie is about an American woman married to an Iranian doctor who go to Iran to visit his family, and what transpires there; the devolution of her situation and the foreshadowing of her daughter's life under Islam, until she finally takes a treacherous trip through the foothills of Turkey with her 6 year old girl to reach an American embassy, I forget now, but I think the embassy was on the outskirts of Istanbul. Anyway, this movie is a true story and years later there were some interviews with Mahtob, the daughter. Excellent movie that clearly shows what usually happens because of the fundamentalist male-dominated indoctrination. (Highly recommend it.) Many thanks to C2C for bringing lamps of light to dispel the cults of religious darkness. 🥀
I do remember that movie it was very well acted by Sally Field & watching the shock & grief processing through her mind as the film progressed left such an impression. The escape for both mother & daughter was fraught with many dangers, thankfully it ended well @ the US embassy, etc.
Nuriyah, thank you so much for sharing your story. I can see how brave you are, and the terror you went through.I see how you continue to be brave in the sharing of your story and the hardship you have had in having to lwave behind your faith and your belief system. Not easy. I lived in Saudi when I was around 11. I like you, lived in a compound as well. One time we were out on a trip outside of the compound, and I was modestly dressed to repect the culture, however, I was not wearing anything over my light coloured hair. I had an older man with a beard grab my wrist and pull me into a side lane. I couldnt understand what he was saying in Arabic, however, I knew he was scolding me and motioning to my head that my hair needed to be covered. I got away from him luckily, and ran back to our bus. I was sitting and waiting for some of my mates to return. It was hot and the window was open. I had long hair, and I guess some of it was hanging out of the window. I had my eyes closed and was resting after my ordeal with the older male, when all of a sudden, I felt hard tugging o n my hair. I looked down and their was a boy a few years older that was trying to jump up again and grab my hair. It was so freaky. I know what you mean about how much more safe you felt in the compund. Life in the compound was like a fairy tale. We had an Olympic sized pool, a restaurant we could eat at for free, and a community centre for kids to play games and watch movies and hang out. I met my best friend there, and we have been life long friends. My story pales in compairison to yours; however, it really opened my eyes at how different everything was. The next time I went ouside the compound, I was on guard. Take care.
Nuriyah is very fortunate to have the support of her family. I can only imagine what this scenario would have been like if she hadn't. The outcome may have been very different. Family support and resources are extremely important.
There’s no such thing as a true religion, all bible scriptures are up for interpretation henche all the Abrahamic religions have a number of different beliefs due to how the scripture is interpreted. The only religion that should be the norm is do good be a good human being. ❤if anything religion has done nothing for humanity
Absolutely correct. All cults follow the disinformation and lies. Again Pawer, sex, money that can include fear to control followers all equals a cult. ❤
@@nauticdixons I agree . There should be massive electronic billoards set up everywhere in every country with quotes from both the quran and the new testament.....side by side . That should help educate the general public .
Fascinating. Thank you for sharing your harrowing story! I remember watching the movie “Not Without My Daughter” in the 80’s or 90’s and I think about those trapped in that situation often. I had the opportunity to live in the Middle East with my husband for two years, and I passed it up. I was very uncomfortable with what life would look like for me and my daughter. I didn’t want to be stuck in a compound for two years.
My husband was offered a job there over 25 years ago. Having sons it was okay but I as a woman feared it. We decided not to go which was a good decision. So glad you got out safely!
Thank you, the talk about the child "wife" and how the IS is backed up by the Quran made me remember/resurface memories how my groomer talked about it and some things make a little more sense now. He would also claim it as THE truth and push for me to read it and if I would read it, I would understand the world. I never did as I just previously decided that religion isn't for me and I am really glad. It would have probably given him a bigger hold over me than he already had. Honest thanks, this will help further with my therapy. Much love to you 💕
It's one of the most important and good channels in yt. Sadly a lot of people prefer to watch stup!d things and channels that often spread hate and misinformation
Two beautiful powerful smart brave women having discussion. It was my pleasure to watch you ladies. You are the real women heroes in our times. Not those who go to protests so they can be loud and scream and then ignore or not care at all about the sufferings women in arab countries go through..Hope they wake up and realize how hypocrite their "feminist movement" truly is.
Ex-evangelical here. In the high-control evangelical churches I grew up in, people who left the faith, especially people who came to the faith later in life, are called "backsliders." The church only wanted members to interact with them to the ultimate end of bringing them back to the fold. This knowledge of manipulation makes it hard for me to be close to my family that remains beyond general pleasantries. However, one of my closest relatives growing up has a wonderfully open-minded new spouse. I got to be in their wedding, tattoos and all, in the church's main worship space. That was a huge deal. Maybe over time, the spouse will be able to help them to a more reasonable worldview, with less self hatred and guilt around the rules of the church. I miss the person they were in high school and college, but they view that time of their life and testing of their own boundaries as such a shameful time period instead of a beautiful period of growth and mistakes... gosh I miss them being close and open with me. I guess we both judge each other now, but I just want them to believe that the life we live on this earth is as important as the next life or heaven. I want them to be happy in their skin on this planet and not fixated upon the return of Jesus as a possibility every single day. I want them to view the world as a place than can be fixed with compassion and good works instead of held in disdain for its "worldliness" and the failures of humanity. They tell me they finds joy in their life now (and with the new addition to our family, that can't hurt), but I see something else too when we talk about religion or politics or even music. Something dark that isn't like them, and it breaks my heart...
Hi Jessica, I also left, but Christianity in total. Yeah it's a cult alright & a complete counterfeit & replacement to the Lord Jesus Christ, as the only Pastor. It's also confusion at best with it's 'moral relativism' which degrees from Church to Church, with it's hierarchies creating laws expecting their sheep to follow, which contradicts 2 things, the Book of Galatians & John 10. law & the Sheep who are supposed to be listening to him, not some 🤡 behind the pulpit, having no authority from the lord Jesus Christ. Christianity is a Cult & counterfeit with no basis in the new testament. What we see now is actually a daughter to Rome! With all denomination springing from her & differing from her by degrees. You as I have the right thing by leaving. Don't give up on Jesus Christ. He's the real deal.
Thank you both for this presentation, Nuriyah for your courage and Shelise for allowing your guests to tell their stories without continual interruptions.
Nuriyah, you are SEEN and you are HEARD! I wish I had seen this live stream, sorry I missed it. Your video was so motivating and I loved to see that your family had your back. ❤
At 18:00, where sexual assault (S.A.) is seen as adultery, that breaks my heart. In 2008 in Somalia, a 13 year old girl was SA'd and reported it to the authorities, who happened to be Al Shabaab, an offshoot of Al Queda. The girl was charged with adultery, the terrorists thought she was an adult, and they stoned her to death. So, yes, I get so upset, especially about that part of Sharia Law. Prayers to the women suffering, and hope that the laws change in the future 🙏.
Thank you for sharing your story. I can relate to the challenges of navigating different cultures and belief systems. I used to live by the principles of Islam and the culture that came with it, but I have since left the faith. However, my journey took an unexpected turn when I married my ex-husband from the Middle East and moved to America. Despite living in a progressive country, he still holds onto a backward and rotten mentality that has made our life together extremely challenging.
Thank you gorgeous sisters to share this powerful message to so many Muslims women for what they are going through My heart goes out for all Muslims women You are so brave to share this Thank you beautiful sisters 💗 💓
Love you guys together! Subscribed to Holy Humanist. Everybody who escapes a high control and high demand religion is showing great fortitude and personal strengths to be able to examine all they've known since childhood. Critical thinking takes intelligence and the strength to challenge authority (as safely as possible obviously.) ❤
Hi, I am an ex-Muslim as well. I want to add to the language barrier part that even in countries like Egypt the language is a barrier .. Egyptian slang is very far from formal Arabic despite that we're familiar with the alphabet and we learn Arabic in school .. I remember reading a Quran in Formal Arabic with English translation and when I read the English translation I was like "Is that what this verse actually means?" .. Many Muslim-lite people do not really know what their religion actually is!!
Actually, there is no Turkish translation of the Quran in Turkey, all the texts we have are not translations of the Quran but interpretations of religious scholars and this is why there is always a question mark in the minds of thinking people, we need real knowledge not interpretations, for this reason even though I am a Muslim, I have not read the Quran, if I can be a good person, that is enough for me.
Thanks for another great interview! And what a fantastic point to make - addressing the existential fear of considering ‘something else’. So true! There’s the journey of understanding, deconstructing, dealing with all sorts of people/society etc. but it’s such a huge ‘risk’ to address one’s own fears/mind, many many people will never go there. You pointed that out so well. It does take guts. Also I can imagine trauma hinders many people from even considering another reality. I relate to people that keep asking questions (many despite experiencing trauma/dealing with past trauma), love it!!!
i would LOVE an episode of you, Nuriyah, Amanda, and Chavi just vibing! That converasation would be AMAZING! It woudl be like, "The Consciousness View" or "Consciousness Talk"
Thanks for sharing, it was very interesting, I'm glad you're okay now, I hope that one day there won't be any more religions/sects in the world and people will respect each other as equals.
Dear Nuriyah, I think you were very courageous and I admire you and your journey. In my daily life I see many muslim women having many children. many of them cry when they find out they're pregnant yet again. I see young women who are not allowed to say no to sex. I see girls whose mothers take away their birth control when they find out. Those are the women like you who live in Europe and have insight to the western lifestyle, who at least in theory can weigh their options. My thoughts go out to all the women who don't even know they have options. Most of them we will never hear about. sometimes I am so angry and frustrated, it just breaks my heart.
I love these two together.. it explains how Muslims are very progressive in areas that matter. In some societies she could suffer a 'honor killing'. Aka a version of mormon 'blood atonement. I know many progressive Muslims who take only the good from Islam. Like my father, is a very active Mormon.. but loves me, my voice, and understands his daughter. And any good Father would want smart educated children regardless of 'sex'. Sadly boys suffer as well in high demand religions. My experience is good people come from all these places. And lead others to real healing by being honest, and loving. Great podcast!
As someone who was living in kingston at the time of the sharia murders of 2 young sisters these videos have been very interesting and eye opening. I can understand a little more about the law, the mindset, and the religion now. Thank you for being vulnerable and educating us❤
You'd think it would be simple enough to find out whether punitive amputations are still carried out in Saudi Arabia, and what (if any) care is provided afterward. But Google is eerily silent or obtuse on the issue. Seems no one wants to publicly discuss it.
Thank you so much for sharing. One of the great things about the internet is the spread of free information (misinformation obviously being a downside) but for those who want to know, we can learn and connect with others; find knowledge to be able to find and use our own voices
Thank you Nooria and beautiful presenter for bringing this horrible cancer and making people aware about this . I am an ex Sikh and I can tell Sikhism is the same or worst in some cases . Love your videos Nooria khan ❤
Dear NURIYAH KHAN, Very pleased to see you again on this channel! PLEASE, PLEASE NEVER think of going back to that land even if ALLAH ITSELF comes to pick you up in a PERSONAL PLANE! (I don't use a "living" pronoun for Allah.) You may not have heard of THE CAMEL'S REVENGE (GRUDGE) but its almost ETERNAL! BE SAFE! God bless you!
At times, I'm gobsmacked. Am a 46 year-old Muslim and it has never been this strict in Turkey. Ear piercing and staff for the husband to decide?! I think some Asians and Middle Easterners are pretty strict. The religion we know is nowhere near these things. We always say do your best and stay connected and thats it. I feel very sad for everyone who has had to go through all that. May God help them.
I am also a 64 year old Turkish woman. I have never felt obliged to give account to anyone since the moment I turned 18. I do not remember ever asking permission from my family or husband. I only provide information because I feel respect and love. The choice of clothes I wear and the type of alcohol I drink are only my business. I grew up in such a lifestyle in my family. Of course, I respect different lifestyles, but I prefer not to have them in my close circle. Yes, I am a Muslim Turkish woman and according to our religion, faith is between Allah and the servant and third parties have no right to intervene.
Enjoyed your part two. Such a lovely articulate young lady. Glad she is free to live her life her way. Sad that all religious which are supposed to unite and bring people to joy and love grow into such instruments of hate and destruction.
I want ex orthodox christians speak up! I really want to know what their journey be like! We now have ex-scientologists, ex-mormons, ex-muslims, ex-evangelicals, we can’t miss out our ex orthodox friends!
I’m an ex Orthodox Christian, there’s nothing to tell I just don’t believe in God anymore. Orthodox Christian is more cultural, you can go to church or not, no one cares, most parents don’t force anything on their kids despite the religion being strict. For example, 99% of Greeks are Greek Orthodox and the church is prominent in the country, everyone goes to church, celebrates Easter, Christmas etc. but it’s a liberal country. Orthodoxy, Catholicism etc isn’t a cult, the churches are big and have a lot of power but they’ve adapted to societal changes.
For example I could do so. But my story would be quite short. My country is reasonably secular so my exit was really mild compared to what the ladies above experienced. Also the young people are turning to atheism quite fast and in a large number so I find support quite easily.
@@angelal7068 Exactly, I'm a former Catholic and consider it more cultural, am not raising my kids in the church despite having baptized them, while my dad attends Catholic mass weekly. These religions are just nowhere near as all encompassing as Islam or Mormonism. No one cares if we only go to a church on holidays. There have been Catholics on the channel, but they were either in a more extreme sect or were abused by the clergy.
I think orthodox must be more hardcore. I used to want to tell my story on this channel or culture shock but it's pretty boring compared to what most of these guests have been through.
Welcome to Australia Nuriya. I truely wish our government was more compassionate when it came to helping women trying to escape Muslim countries with Sharia.
I was appalled that the Australian government did nothing to help those Muslim girls who fled from Saudi Arabia ! They turned their backs on them. Especially that Payne woman. So typical of Australian government members! They are evil!
Great interview. What a beautiful young lady! She is so fortunate that she had a supportive and loving family or the outcome could have been different. It would be interesting to know what happened once the police and her husband realised that she had fled the country. What were the repercussions to her family? So glad she has freedom and a future of her choosing.
In your previous video, you had mentioned looking to the original Arabic Koran. This inspired me on my own journey. I come from a Christian background and I have religious trauma related to the verse "children obey your parents in the lord. Honor your father and mother." I went back to the original Greek and found that the word for children is adolescent and younger, not as in English we can have adult children. Also, the word for honor is to assign a value to someone or something, not necessarily a positive value. This breaks the idea that adults should continue to be subservient to thier parents forever.
Excellent conversation, both parts! I just discovered your channel today and got two new subscriptions at once! Thank you both and keep up the great work!
Both of you are amazing! Thank you for sharing with the world your experiences in these terribly controling cults. It is so important for other women and girls that there is more than an abuse place where they might be caught. I am sure you give many people hope. And you give me hope as well. I am not in a very good place these days. As an European Christian, I developed a sort of paranoya when I see how things evolve after the continuos flood of imigrants from the Arabian countries. It is also woring because the islamists use the Western freedoms to push their ideologies and impose their ways. I also feel bad as I start being rejective and suspicious and close myself in a self-defence mode like in a shell. If a couple of years ago I would not even notice differences at people in the streets, now I feel a sort of hardening of my mind when I see signs of a non-European person. And by nature I am very friendly, curious to interract and share with people of various origins, from places I have never been and most likely I will not be able to visit. And at first they seemed to be run away from a horendous war, later their declared intent changed, and from refugees they became invadors. When one hears the islamists braging how they came to force us to change to the right faith, to force the Sharia, threatening to outnumber us,... the continuous bullying, ... then the statistics, ... then the grooming gangs, ... the aggressivness of the woke movement... Now the Labor party won the elections... I expect that Muslims in general will be radicalized and declare open war to the rest of the people. It seems as if we were sliding faster and faster down a slope towards the barbaric age when freedom will be abolished at all levels, everything that makes the life in a civilized country will be denounced as haram, women will be deprived of basic rights, treated like servants and men's property. And I cannot look further into the mutilation that would result in such conditions. On the other hand, I am thinking that it may be possible that girls and women, but also young people in general, have not been completely brainwashed as they go to schools with others, refine their views, start understanding what normality is, still have laws and worganizations that can protect them against abuse. Nuriya, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Rahaf Mohammed, Mona Walter and so many other ladies all over the world that prove so high intelligence to escape the brainwahsing and courage to voice their views.
Great talk. Thank you both! I first came across Nuriyah as a guest on a video with Apostate Prophet and Apologetics Roadshow, and was very impressed by her. This was a fascinating glimpse into her incredible life story, and journey. Brave woman! I will definitely go watch the first part of your encounter and obviously also check out your other content.
A friend of my sister's married a Turkish man and had at least one child with him. At some point she moved there with him; I'm not sure whether she was able to bring her children with her when she escaped. I really need to contact her and compare experiences. My ex-husband lives in UAE withhis 4th wife, his two daughters by his second wife live in Jordan with his sister, and I'm relieved that i never had children with him. My story would have been much different if I had!
why do you insist on using the phrase "escaped from Turkey" because anyone with a passport is free to leave Turkey regardless of whether they are divorced or not, if your friend is not divorced, of course they have the right to take their child with them, but if there is a divorce, I think the other parent needs to have permission, but I don't know the exact situation legally, what you don't know is that Turkey is not an Islamic country, it is one of the first countries in the world where gender equality is enshrined in our laws and women were given the right to vote and be elected (1934); Turkey is a secular country and is not governed by sharia law; thank God, Turkey is not an Arab or Latin American country🙏🏻
Thank you, ladies! This is extraordinarily useful in busting the myths around embracing Islam and assisting the ill-informed in understanding the dangers therein - esp for females! Kudos to this woman for her intelligent, honest portrayal of her dangerous journey through a Muslim ‘marriage’, and her triumphant escape. Bravo for the work she is doing to educate, inform and support those who need to have clarity around the archaic, abusive practices within Islam. I thank God she wasn’t, (like so many within Islam) subjected to FGM. I hope the works she’s doing includes educating about, and preventing, the barbaric, misogynistic practice of FGM. Blessings on your journey 🙏🏻🌟💞☮️
(commented in last interview) A friend in the Pentagon has the history of Islam recorded as it began as a military front to conquer other lands / countries. It was turned into a religion when they saw they could tell the ignorant and children their cause was from a god. They gained men with lusts, fears, supremacy, and afterlife promises. And women by honor in duty. The Quran has borrowed biblical scriptures to try to show its legitimacy but because it must be a different Creator changes were needed to keep people in it with no real free will without death. It was how they created a 2 billion person army for global hopeful conquering and they get used as attack dogs too by the globalists for agendas. There are different kinds too because of control and interpretation issues. It's very sad. I'm glad she's safe now.
Why do so many religions seem to serve as excuses for men who fear engaging with women, instead choosing to control them through restrictive "laws"? Great to hear Nuriyah again! Hope she stays safe and gets a long happy life.
Okay here’s my question. Since 9/11 I’ve tried so hard to change peoples minds in the US about Islam. Over the years I’ve worked with so many patients from the Middle East. Started with asylum seekers from Iran and Iraq then with Saudi diplomats and patients from Dubai and UAE. Because of my experiences and relationships I’ve formed I’ve defended their religion as nauseum. I’ve learned a little Arabic and have even been invited into the homes for tea. If anyone would tell me that women are oppressed I’d tell them what the patients would tell me (both women and men)….they are not. That women are second to god and the most holy and to be cared for with respect. Listening to these interviews on Islam makes me so sad not only because I’ve spent 20 years defending the religion but also because I feel that I’ve been lied to. I’m not sure how to come to terms with this or if I should even consider changing my stance on Islam. It makes me so sad.
Please do not listen to those that are spreading propaganda and do not take their words as the gospel. Don't allow them to tarnish your own experience with Muslims. Actions speak louder than words. Nuriya isn't an Islamic scholar and she gets so many things wrong that she spewing as factual. She gets her information from Islamophobic websites by doing a Google search! Prophet Mohammad DID NOT consummate his marriage with Aisha when she was 9 years old. Aisha was much older when Prophet Mohammad married her. She had already been engaged to another man prior. How old do you think the Virgin Mary was when she gave birth to Jesus? It's estimated that she was 12/13 years of age since back in those times after girls and boys entered puberty, they were of marriageable age and considered to be "adults". Islam was the first religion to give women their God given rights. Islam is perfect, Muslims are not. Are there some Muslims that do not follow Islam the proper way? Certainly but there are more Muslims that do follow Islam properly. Some Islamic countries' culture gets twisted with Islam. There's a huge difference between Islam and culture. Nuriya's ethnic background is Pakistani. Not once does she mention the laws and rules of Pakistan. They distort Islam more than some Arab and/or Persian countries. So again, I implore of you not to listen to this rubbish.
I don't think you've necessarily been lied to because religion is very subjective and while some people have good interpretations of it, a great majority use it to harm others. I don't suppose something can be inherently bad or good as it's up to the people that practice it.
That’s so interesting about the pork. I grew up in a different cult, Seventh Day Adventist. They don’t allow pork, alcohol, caffeine, shellfish, all kinds of things. I love my coffee and tea. I drink alcohol. It’s the foods that I still can’t do. It’s been 20 years, and I can’t eat anything that was considered “unclean” still. It still turns my stomach. I have no idea why.
How in the world can you call this humble healthy lifestyle an a cult 😮The message that tells men to love your wife as your own flesh. To lay your life down for a friend. Not forceful, but a choice. Please, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. You that coffee, caffeine, cigarettes, alcohol etc. is bad for you. To love your enemies as well as your neighbors. Praying for you 🙏 friend
Ayisha tried to talk to Muhammad in defense of a Woman who came to her for some sort of protection. She said the woman was greener from bruising than the color of her gown which was green. Ayisha said the Muslim woman suffer the most.
That you Shalise and Nuriyah for your wise and courageous work shining your light in all the dark spaces! Something that comes to me as I watch Nuriyah's segments and others on this channel is that no one seems to talk much about the Old Testament of the Bible, the horrific things it contains , and where that can lead. I did hear Nuriyah mention that a Muslim man can marry someone from the "people of the book" and that points out what seems pretty obvious to me, but , again, I don't hear much talk about it. The rules for women in the Old Testament are nearly the same as Nuriyah reports of Shariya. The Old Testament lists women as property, gives the death penalty for unwitnessed rape, promotes child marriage, polygamy, beating, all much the same, it's all in there. The rules for war are also very similar. Wipe out all the males, and assault and kill the married women, assault and /or marry the girls and take slaves of those who remain ....The more "conservative" the sect of any of these "Abrahamic" religions the more closely they will adhere to these harmful patriarchal values. In countries with Sharia we can see these things play out very overtly, whereas in the other regions and religions we see it become more hidden and cult-like in the home or the church/mosque/temple group to different degrees. Dress codes, modesty rules, obedience to father, brother, husband.....all so similar and all so traumatically abusive. I remember feeling quite shocked, traumatized and angry when I first went through the Old Testament and saw these barbaric rules for war and women, death penalties, cutting off off limbs, stoning, etc. and realized that there are folks that want the whole society to move in back in that direction and are actively working toward it. It makes it all the more important that people come forward with their stories as they do on this channel. Thank you both.
There is no polygamy in the Jewish faith. I’m a Jew, I study Torah with my clergy along with Hebrew. I’m a Reform Jew. I go to a Reform synagogue. The interpretation is more modern. Every week I read through the D’var Torah which talks about the portion for the week and the main lesson for the week. I’m a proud Jew!
@@PinkHawk191 not now. There was in what Christians call the Old Testament. For that matter, it was apparently common in the early Christian church, because a rule was made that a church leader (elder/bishop) must be “husband of one wife.”
I just feel Hinduism is so adaptive and ever evolving, it has so many sects and good teachings, nothing can suffocate you in such an adaptive way of life.
I once saw a clip of three middle-eastern muslim women on a talk show happlily discussing how to best use make-up to cover the bruises and marks left from their husband's beatings. The clip is probably gone now because people from the west were freaking out that these women had normalized having to cover bruises.
Anybody telling you to go back to Dubai or are you at or Saudi Arabia? These people are not your friends because they don’t care about your safety. They just wanna see you and have fun but this is real dangerous for you and I think it’s better to stay in the west, I would say Great Britain the USA Canada
This is the first time I've seen a Muslim/Ex-Muslim bring up what happened to Yezidi women, and it immediately brought tears to my eyes. Not very many acknowledge what happened to our women 😢
My husband had UD interpreters in 2009 Iraq that were such wonderful people. The group that turned into Isis was on his radar when he was there, and so we learned about the plight of Yezidi early on. I want you to know that I spent hours a day over many months, writing letters and emails and phone calls to everyone. I could think of to try to get attention onto what was happening on Mount Sinjar. I tried to connect women who escaped from Isis to our state department to the media to people in Congress to various NGO, or anyone who could either move the issue into the spotlight or help women who escaped recover or Anyone or anything who could help. I still keep the Yezidi people in my thoughts and prayers along with the Hostages held by Hamas. 🦚
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The media purposefully hiding it. It could be all over the news but it's not.. they don't want the world to know about those women sufferings
sending such love to you and your people ❤
Sending love to yezidi mothers,sisters, and daughters 🙏
I had cousin that lived there and her husband was a pilot for the prince... In her home the only thing she had to do physically was keep her and her husband's room clean, everything else was handled by maids, when her marriage started going south, she had three children two girls and a boy.... Her husband told her she could take the girls but.... she's not taking the boy.... So my cousin had to get an escape plan, there's some really, really great people there! My cousin was able to flee with all three of her children... Thank God... So for her that was pretty traumatic, they're all grown now... so I don't know what or if they've ever seen their dad again, because he's on the no-fly list.
If you are looking for the truth, then you should interview me too. Not only Ex-Muslims.
@@perfectdawah4535are you still Muslim? And who says she won't get the truth from ex-Muslims?? She definitely will choose whom SHE CHOOSES to get her information from and her true stories from. Are you a Muslim woman? If you want to tell your story you should contact Shelise.
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Glad your cousin got out with all three of her children! The fear of the marriage going bad would eliminate any of the joy of having maids and servants and an opulent lifestyle.
@therealdeal3672 I am an ex apostate. I was wrong when I became atheist. That was because I didn't have the right knowledge of Islam. I am a great enemy of that radical Islam. We are a group of Muslims who believe in absolute equality between men and women. How can I contact Shelise?
@@perfectdawah4535well the channel is Cults to Consciousness, so most of her interviews are with people who have left high demand religions and completely changed their perspective. But I imagine Shelise may be interested in talking with you. If not her you might try Apostate Aladdin. To find Shelise's information it is in the video description where it says "more..." and you can click that and find all her different social media contact information.
Always a pleasure to listen to two beautiful smart compassionate women talk and always a useful learning experience as well. If nothing else, you are both great role models, leading by example with a well balanced world view which is something we all need more of ❤
Wow, thank you! That’s very kind
Well said!
If Nuriyas parents weren't so tolerant she could be honor killed for leaving Islam.
In the middle east girls are murdered for even lesser ''crime'' like meeting boys or rejecting arrange marriage.
Thank you Nuriyah for your courage, and thank you Shelise for having her on.
I so happy she was able to escape. Religion is a women’s worst nightmare. No one should be abused in the name of religion.
Misogyny is outside of religion as well.
@aasiyapowell875 yeah but we should acknowledge that but now we talk about religion specifically and it's a big source of misogyny
@@chrissy138 My cousins best friend was raped by a priest. She was only 12 years old and he got her pregnant once her father found out he blamed her. She killed herself. Nothing happened to her rapist nothing. He raped more then 20 young girls.
Religion isn't a woman's worst nightmare. Men misusing Religion as an excuse to abuse and control women is a woman's worst nightmare.
Not all religions. Orthodox Christianity literally has a woman as the most important human being ever born on Earth
Thank you for being courageous to share your story
My dad told me about "Chop Chop Square" many years ago when I was little. He visited Saudi Arabia at times on assignment for the US Air Force. He said some people on his crew went but he refused; he was NOT comfortable with that at all.
The rape without a four man witness squad being adultery item was beyond cruel.
How could anyone not love Nuriya. She’s smart and well spoken
Exactly, well said
Thank you for part 2. Brave, courageous, articulate. Both of you. Good questions. Insightful answers. I really hope all the Cults to Consciousness stories are heard far and wide. So important.
It has been so enlightening to listen to Parts 1 & 2 of Nuriyah's journey. It is good to hear first hand accounts of living in certain cult circumsrances.
Her journey reminds me of the movie, "Not Without My Daughter" with Sally Fields and Alfred Moulina.
This movie is about an American woman married to an Iranian doctor who go to Iran to visit his family, and what transpires there; the devolution of her situation and the foreshadowing of her daughter's life under Islam, until she finally takes a treacherous trip through the foothills of Turkey with her 6 year old girl to reach an American embassy, I forget now, but I think the embassy was on the outskirts of Istanbul. Anyway, this movie is a true story and years later there were some interviews with Mahtob, the daughter. Excellent movie that clearly shows what usually happens because of the fundamentalist male-dominated indoctrination. (Highly recommend it.)
Many thanks to C2C for bringing lamps of light to dispel the cults of religious darkness. 🥀
I do remember that movie it was very well acted by Sally Field & watching the shock & grief processing through her mind as the film progressed left such an impression. The escape for both mother & daughter was fraught with many dangers, thankfully it ended well @ the US embassy, etc.
Another wonderfully positive exchange. Thank you both for your openness, courage, and kindness.
Nuriyah, thank you so much for sharing your story. I can see how brave you are, and the terror you went through.I see how you continue to be brave in the sharing of your story and the hardship you have had in having to lwave behind your faith and your belief system. Not easy. I lived in Saudi when I was around 11. I like you, lived in a compound as well. One time we were out on a trip outside of the compound, and I was modestly dressed to repect the culture, however, I was not wearing anything over my light coloured hair. I had an older man with a beard grab my wrist and pull me into a side lane. I couldnt understand what he was saying in Arabic, however, I knew he was scolding me and motioning to my head that my hair needed to be covered. I got away from him luckily, and ran back to our bus. I was sitting and waiting for some of my mates to return. It was hot and the window was open. I had long hair, and I guess some of it was hanging out of the window. I had my eyes closed and was resting after my ordeal with the older male, when all of a sudden, I felt hard tugging o n my hair. I looked down and their was a boy a few years older that was trying to jump up again and grab my hair. It was so freaky. I know what you mean about how much more safe you felt in the compund. Life in the compound was like a fairy tale. We had an Olympic sized pool, a restaurant we could eat at for free, and a community centre for kids to play games and watch movies and hang out. I met my best friend there, and we have been life long friends. My story pales in compairison to yours; however, it really opened my eyes at how different everything was. The next time I went ouside the compound, I was on guard. Take care.
Nuriyah is very fortunate to have the support of her family. I can only imagine what this scenario would have been like if she hadn't. The outcome may have been very different. Family support and resources are extremely important.
Using fear to gain power, using sec against women, using power to get money ; all this demonstrates a cult and not a true religion. ❤
any religion in a nutshell lol
Religions are mythology, all of the existing ones!
Religion is ideology. Patriarchy is an ideology of dominate and exploit.
There’s no such thing as a true religion, all bible scriptures are up for interpretation henche all the Abrahamic religions have a number of different beliefs due to how the scripture is interpreted. The only religion that should be the norm is do good be a good human being. ❤if anything religion has done nothing for humanity
I'm extremely grateful for you speaking about these topics. We need more of this!!❤❤
I would suggest the Achilles Heal of Islam is information...very public information.
Absolutely correct. All cults follow the disinformation and lies. Again Pawer, sex, money that can include fear to control followers all equals a cult. ❤
Same with Christianity
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I agree . There should be massive electronic billoards set up everywhere in every country with quotes from both the quran and the new testament.....side by side . That should help educate the general public .
Fascinating. Thank you for sharing your harrowing story! I remember watching the movie “Not Without My Daughter” in the 80’s or 90’s and I think about those trapped in that situation often. I had the opportunity to live in the Middle East with my husband for two years, and I passed it up. I was very uncomfortable with what life would look like for me and my daughter. I didn’t want to be stuck in a compound for two years.
My husband was offered a job there over 25 years ago. Having sons it was okay but I as a woman feared it. We decided not to go which was a good decision. So glad you got out safely!
Thank you, the talk about the child "wife" and how the IS is backed up by the Quran made me remember/resurface memories how my groomer talked about it and some things make a little more sense now. He would also claim it as THE truth and push for me to read it and if I would read it, I would understand the world. I never did as I just previously decided that religion isn't for me and I am really glad. It would have probably given him a bigger hold over me than he already had. Honest thanks, this will help further with my therapy. Much love to you 💕
I hope this channel really blossoms ❤
It's one of the most important and good channels in yt. Sadly a lot of people prefer to watch stup!d things and channels that often spread hate and misinformation
same! the world needs these discussions so badly...
Two beautiful powerful smart brave women having discussion. It was my pleasure to watch you ladies. You are the real women heroes in our times. Not those who go to protests so they can be loud and scream and then ignore or not care at all about the sufferings women in arab countries go through..Hope they wake up and realize how hypocrite their "feminist movement" truly is.
Glad I caught the end of this live. ❤ hearing different viewpoints and experiences, very brave people who come of your podcast.
If you are looking for the truth, then you should interview me too. Not only Ex-Muslims.
Ex-evangelical here. In the high-control evangelical churches I grew up in, people who left the faith, especially people who came to the faith later in life, are called "backsliders." The church only wanted members to interact with them to the ultimate end of bringing them back to the fold. This knowledge of manipulation makes it hard for me to be close to my family that remains beyond general pleasantries. However, one of my closest relatives growing up has a wonderfully open-minded new spouse. I got to be in their wedding, tattoos and all, in the church's main worship space. That was a huge deal. Maybe over time, the spouse will be able to help them to a more reasonable worldview, with less self hatred and guilt around the rules of the church. I miss the person they were in high school and college, but they view that time of their life and testing of their own boundaries as such a shameful time period instead of a beautiful period of growth and mistakes... gosh I miss them being close and open with me. I guess we both judge each other now, but I just want them to believe that the life we live on this earth is as important as the next life or heaven. I want them to be happy in their skin on this planet and not fixated upon the return of Jesus as a possibility every single day. I want them to view the world as a place than can be fixed with compassion and good works instead of held in disdain for its "worldliness" and the failures of humanity. They tell me they finds joy in their life now (and with the new addition to our family, that can't hurt), but I see something else too when we talk about religion or politics or even music. Something dark that isn't like them, and it breaks my heart...
Hi Jessica,
I also left, but Christianity in total. Yeah it's a cult alright & a complete counterfeit & replacement to the Lord Jesus Christ, as the only Pastor.
It's also confusion at best with it's 'moral relativism' which degrees from Church to Church, with it's hierarchies creating laws expecting their sheep to follow, which contradicts 2 things, the Book of Galatians & John 10. law & the Sheep who are supposed to be listening to him, not some 🤡 behind the pulpit, having no authority from the lord Jesus Christ.
Christianity is a Cult & counterfeit with no basis in the new testament. What we see now is actually a daughter to Rome! With all denomination springing from her & differing from her by degrees.
You as I have the right thing by leaving. Don't give up on Jesus Christ. He's the real deal.
Thank you both for your bravery, you are an example of compassion for others, and I wish you both lots of blessings❤
Thank you both for this presentation, Nuriyah for your courage and Shelise for allowing your guests to tell their stories without continual interruptions.
So happy to see her back! My girl Shelise knows what her people want ❤❤❤
Nuriyah, you are SEEN and you are HEARD! I wish I had seen this live stream, sorry I missed it. Your video was so motivating and I loved to see that your family had your back. ❤
At 18:00, where sexual assault (S.A.) is seen as adultery, that breaks my heart.
In 2008 in Somalia, a 13 year old girl was SA'd and reported it to the authorities, who happened to be Al Shabaab, an offshoot of Al Queda. The girl was charged with adultery, the terrorists thought she was an adult, and they stoned her to death.
So, yes, I get so upset, especially about that part of Sharia Law. Prayers to the women suffering, and hope that the laws change in the future 🙏.
Thank you for sharing your story. I can relate to the challenges of navigating different cultures and belief systems. I used to live by the principles of Islam and the culture that came with it, but I have since left the faith. However, my journey took an unexpected turn when I married my ex-husband from the Middle East and moved to America. Despite living in a progressive country, he still holds onto a backward and rotten mentality that has made our life together extremely challenging.
What country was he from? Where did you live?
Thank you gorgeous sisters to share this powerful message to so many Muslims women for what they are going through
My heart goes out for all Muslims women
You are so brave to share this
Thank you beautiful sisters 💗 💓
Love you guys together!
Subscribed to Holy Humanist.
Everybody who escapes a high control and high demand religion is showing great fortitude and personal strengths to be able to examine all they've known since childhood. Critical thinking takes intelligence and the strength to challenge authority (as safely as possible obviously.) ❤
This is the most interesting interview I have seen in a long time. I have already subscribed to holy humanist! Can’t wait to start watching!!
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Hi, I am an ex-Muslim as well. I want to add to the language barrier part that even in countries like Egypt the language is a barrier .. Egyptian slang is very far from formal Arabic despite that we're familiar with the alphabet and we learn Arabic in school .. I remember reading a Quran in Formal Arabic with English translation and when I read the English translation I was like "Is that what this verse actually means?" .. Many Muslim-lite people do not really know what their religion actually is!!
Thanks for sharing that context!
SO TRUE, most don’t even read the Quran.
Actually, there is no Turkish translation of the Quran in Turkey, all the texts we have are not translations of the Quran but interpretations of religious scholars and this is why there is always a question mark in the minds of thinking people, we need real knowledge not interpretations, for this reason even though I am a Muslim, I have not read the Quran, if I can be a good person, that is enough for me.
Thanks for another great interview! And what a fantastic point to make - addressing the existential fear of considering ‘something else’. So true! There’s the journey of understanding, deconstructing, dealing with all sorts of people/society etc. but it’s such a huge ‘risk’ to address one’s own fears/mind, many many people will never go there. You pointed that out so well. It does take guts. Also I can imagine trauma hinders many people from even considering another reality. I relate to people that keep asking questions (many despite experiencing trauma/dealing with past trauma), love it!!!
They say your worst enemies are your best teachers. I also deconstructed from my religion as the result of a horrible husband.
i would LOVE an episode of you, Nuriyah, Amanda, and Chavi just vibing! That converasation would be AMAZING! It woudl be like, "The Consciousness View" or "Consciousness Talk"
Love the idea!
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Thank you for your service!❤
Thanks for sharing, it was very interesting, I'm glad you're okay now, I hope that one day there won't be any more religions/sects in the world and people will respect each other as equals.
Amazing!!!! Thank u both so much xo
Dear Nuriyah, I think you were very courageous and I admire you and your journey. In my daily life I see many muslim women having many children. many of them cry when they find out they're pregnant yet again. I see young women who are not allowed to say no to sex. I see girls whose mothers take away their birth control when they find out. Those are the women like you who live in Europe and have insight to the western lifestyle, who at least in theory can weigh their options. My thoughts go out to all the women who don't even know they have options. Most of them we will never hear about. sometimes I am so angry and frustrated, it just breaks my heart.
I love these two together.. it explains how Muslims are very progressive in areas that matter. In some societies she could suffer a 'honor killing'. Aka a version of mormon 'blood atonement. I know many progressive Muslims who take only the good from Islam. Like my father, is a very active Mormon.. but loves me, my voice, and understands his daughter. And any good Father would want smart educated children regardless of 'sex'. Sadly boys suffer as well in high demand religions. My experience is good people come from all these places. And lead others to real healing by being honest, and loving. Great podcast!
As someone who was living in kingston at the time of the sharia murders of 2 young sisters these videos have been very interesting and eye opening. I can understand a little more about the law, the mindset, and the religion now. Thank you for being vulnerable and educating us❤
Dank voor je information you are an angel 😇
The Catholic Church was dimished in Ireland due to the abuse info that came out. Churches empty these days
The church (or any religion organised by man) has sadly given God a very bad reputation 😢
They're very full where I live, hard to find a seat.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet many places have wound down. Not the same. Maybe where you live people have short memories.
In Italy, at least where I'm from (between Milan and the Swiss border), churches are empty, too
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Watched first interview today and was so excited to see this one!!! Love to you both, beautiful souls ❤❤
You'd think it would be simple enough to find out whether punitive amputations are still carried out in Saudi Arabia, and what (if any) care is provided afterward. But Google is eerily silent or obtuse on the issue. Seems no one wants to publicly discuss it.
Thank you so much for sharing. One of the great things about the internet is the spread of free information (misinformation obviously being a downside) but for those who want to know, we can learn and connect with others; find knowledge to be able to find and use our own voices
This was very informative, thank you
Thank you Nooria and beautiful presenter for bringing this horrible cancer and making people aware about this . I am an ex Sikh and I can tell Sikhism is the same or worst in some cases . Love your videos Nooria khan ❤
Dear NURIYAH KHAN, Very pleased to see you again on this channel! PLEASE, PLEASE NEVER think of going back to that land even if ALLAH ITSELF comes to pick you up in a PERSONAL PLANE! (I don't use a "living" pronoun for Allah.) You may not have heard of THE CAMEL'S REVENGE (GRUDGE) but its almost ETERNAL! BE SAFE! God bless you!
I just watched the previous episode last night and can't be happier to see Nuriya happy and well.
Nuriyah, You seem so calm, serene, so happy. It makes me happy that you are truly moving for ward into peace. YAY, so happy
At times, I'm gobsmacked. Am a 46 year-old Muslim and it has never been this strict in Turkey. Ear piercing and staff for the husband to decide?! I think some Asians and Middle Easterners are pretty strict. The religion we know is nowhere near these things. We always say do your best and stay connected and thats it. I feel very sad for everyone who has had to go through all that. May God help them.
I am also a 64 year old Turkish woman. I have never felt obliged to give account to anyone since the moment I turned 18. I do not remember ever asking permission from my family or husband. I only provide information because I feel respect and love. The choice of clothes I wear and the type of alcohol I drink are only my business. I grew up in such a lifestyle in my family. Of course, I respect different lifestyles, but I prefer not to have them in my close circle. Yes, I am a Muslim Turkish woman and according to our religion, faith is between Allah and the servant and third parties have no right to intervene.
So glad you shared your story between the two episodes but it sounded terrifying but you deserve whatever you want to be happy
Enjoyed your part two. Such a lovely articulate young lady. Glad she is free to live her life her way. Sad that all religious which are supposed to unite and bring people to joy and love grow into such instruments of hate and destruction.
Great interview.
I want ex orthodox christians speak up! I really want to know what their journey be like! We now have ex-scientologists, ex-mormons, ex-muslims, ex-evangelicals, we can’t miss out our ex orthodox friends!
That is gonna be very hard to find and their stories uneventful. Orthodox Chtistianity is a very mild, tolerant religion. No reason to leave it.
I’m an ex Orthodox Christian, there’s nothing to tell I just don’t believe in God anymore. Orthodox Christian is more cultural, you can go to church or not, no one cares, most parents don’t force anything on their kids despite the religion being strict. For example, 99% of Greeks are Greek Orthodox and the church is prominent in the country, everyone goes to church, celebrates Easter, Christmas etc. but it’s a liberal country. Orthodoxy, Catholicism etc isn’t a cult, the churches are big and have a lot of power but they’ve adapted to societal changes.
For example I could do so. But my story would be quite short. My country is reasonably secular so my exit was really mild compared to what the ladies above experienced. Also the young people are turning to atheism quite fast and in a large number so I find support quite easily.
@@angelal7068 Exactly, I'm a former Catholic and consider it more cultural, am not raising my kids in the church despite having baptized them, while my dad attends Catholic mass weekly. These religions are just nowhere near as all encompassing as Islam or Mormonism. No one cares if we only go to a church on holidays. There have been Catholics on the channel, but they were either in a more extreme sect or were abused by the clergy.
I think orthodox must be more hardcore. I used to want to tell my story on this channel or culture shock but it's pretty boring compared to what most of these guests have been through.
Welcome to Australia Nuriya. I truely wish our government was more compassionate when it came to helping women trying to escape Muslim countries with Sharia.
I was appalled that the Australian government did nothing to help those Muslim girls who fled from Saudi Arabia ! They turned their backs on them. Especially that Payne woman. So typical of Australian government members! They are evil!
Great interview. What a beautiful young lady! She is so fortunate that she had a supportive and loving family or the outcome could have been different. It would be interesting to know what happened once the police and her husband realised that she had fled the country. What were the repercussions to her family? So glad she has freedom and a future of her choosing.
In your previous video, you had mentioned looking to the original Arabic Koran. This inspired me on my own journey. I come from a Christian background and I have religious trauma related to the verse "children obey your parents in the lord. Honor your father and mother." I went back to the original Greek and found that the word for children is adolescent and younger, not as in English we can have adult children. Also, the word for honor is to assign a value to someone or something, not necessarily a positive value. This breaks the idea that adults should continue to be subservient to thier parents forever.
Great discussion
Excellent conversation, both parts! I just discovered your channel today and got two new subscriptions at once! Thank you both and keep up the great work!
This channel keeps it real. I love your guests.
I agree - you are both amazing. I love your chats together.
Please continue to vote for women's rights in America.
Thank you for sharing your story!
Both of you are amazing! Thank you for sharing with the world your experiences in these terribly controling cults. It is so important for other women and girls that there is more than an abuse place where they might be caught. I am sure you give many people hope.
And you give me hope as well. I am not in a very good place these days. As an European Christian, I developed a sort of paranoya when I see how things evolve after the continuos flood of imigrants from the Arabian countries. It is also woring because the islamists use the Western freedoms to push their ideologies and impose their ways. I also feel bad as I start being rejective and suspicious and close myself in a self-defence mode like in a shell. If a couple of years ago I would not even notice differences at people in the streets, now I feel a sort of hardening of my mind when I see signs of a non-European person. And by nature I am very friendly, curious to interract and share with people of various origins, from places I have never been and most likely I will not be able to visit. And at first they seemed to be run away from a horendous war, later their declared intent changed, and from refugees they became invadors. When one hears the islamists braging how they came to force us to change to the right faith, to force the Sharia, threatening to outnumber us,... the continuous bullying, ... then the statistics, ... then the grooming gangs, ... the aggressivness of the woke movement... Now the Labor party won the elections... I expect that Muslims in general will be radicalized and declare open war to the rest of the people. It seems as if we were sliding faster and faster down a slope towards the barbaric age when freedom will be abolished at all levels, everything that makes the life in a civilized country will be denounced as haram, women will be deprived of basic rights, treated like servants and men's property. And I cannot look further into the mutilation that would result in such conditions.
On the other hand, I am thinking that it may be possible that girls and women, but also young people in general, have not been completely brainwashed as they go to schools with others, refine their views, start understanding what normality is, still have laws and worganizations that can protect them against abuse.
Nuriya, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Rahaf Mohammed, Mona Walter and so many other ladies all over the world that prove so high intelligence to escape the brainwahsing and courage to voice their views.
Great talk. Thank you both!
I first came across Nuriyah as a guest on a video with Apostate Prophet and Apologetics Roadshow, and was very impressed by her.
This was a fascinating glimpse into her incredible life story, and journey. Brave woman!
I will definitely go watch the first part of your encounter and obviously also check out your other content.
A friend of my sister's married a Turkish man and had at least one child with him. At some point she moved there with him; I'm not sure whether she was able to bring her children with her when she escaped.
I really need to contact her and compare experiences. My ex-husband lives in UAE withhis 4th wife, his two daughters by his second wife live in Jordan with his sister, and I'm relieved that i never had children with him. My story would have been much different if I had!
why do you insist on using the phrase "escaped from Turkey" because anyone with a passport is free to leave Turkey regardless of whether they are divorced or not, if your friend is not divorced, of course they have the right to take their child with them, but if there is a divorce, I think the other parent needs to have permission, but I don't know the exact situation legally, what you don't know is that Turkey is not an Islamic country, it is one of the first countries in the world where gender equality is enshrined in our laws and women were given the right to vote and be elected (1934); Turkey is a secular country and is not governed by sharia law; thank God, Turkey is not an Arab or Latin American country🙏🏻
Thank you, ladies! This is extraordinarily useful in busting the myths around embracing Islam and assisting the ill-informed in understanding the dangers therein - esp for females!
Kudos to this woman for her intelligent, honest portrayal of her dangerous journey through a Muslim ‘marriage’, and her triumphant escape. Bravo for the work she is doing to educate, inform and support those who need to have clarity around the archaic, abusive practices within Islam. I thank God she wasn’t, (like so many within Islam) subjected to FGM. I hope the works she’s doing includes educating about, and preventing, the barbaric, misogynistic practice of FGM.
Blessings on your journey 🙏🏻🌟💞☮️
This will soon be THE channel for all women ex-muslims
Folks really don't want to address the cruel underbelly of this religion and the fanatics and the stragglehold it hss on women.
Stranglehold* ❤
Thankyou ❤️🔥 ❤️🔥 ❤️🔥
(commented in last interview) A friend in the Pentagon has the history of Islam recorded as it began as a military front to conquer other lands / countries. It was turned into a religion when they saw they could tell the ignorant and children their cause was from a god. They gained men with lusts, fears, supremacy, and afterlife promises. And women by honor in duty. The Quran has borrowed biblical scriptures to try to show its legitimacy but because it must be a different Creator changes were needed to keep people in it with no real free will without death. It was how they created a 2 billion person army for global hopeful conquering and they get used as attack dogs too by the globalists for agendas. There are different kinds too because of control and interpretation issues. It's very sad. I'm glad she's safe now.
You find the most amazing guest the information & stories they share are fascinating ❤ A world ruled by men for men only.😢
Why do so many religions seem to serve as excuses for men who fear engaging with women, instead choosing to control them through restrictive "laws"? Great to hear Nuriyah again! Hope she stays safe and gets a long happy life.
I was literally on the edge of my seat during the airport story, so scared for you 😢
Love what you're doing! Keep it up!
I am So glad that you found out sooner than later! All the grown and old women that have lived and died in that life! 😢
Thank God you have made it out in Dubai.
Okay here’s my question. Since 9/11 I’ve tried so hard to change peoples minds in the US about Islam. Over the years I’ve worked with so many patients from the Middle East. Started with asylum seekers from Iran and Iraq then with Saudi diplomats and patients from Dubai and UAE. Because of my experiences and relationships I’ve formed I’ve defended their religion as nauseum. I’ve learned a little Arabic and have even been invited into the homes for tea.
If anyone would tell me that women are oppressed I’d tell them what the patients would tell me (both women and men)….they are not. That women are second to god and the most holy and to be cared for with respect.
Listening to these interviews on Islam makes me so sad not only because I’ve spent 20 years defending the religion but also because I feel that I’ve been lied to. I’m not sure how to come to terms with this or if I should even consider changing my stance on Islam. It makes me so sad.
Please do not listen to those that are spreading propaganda and do not take their words as the gospel. Don't allow them to tarnish your own experience with Muslims. Actions speak louder than words. Nuriya isn't an Islamic scholar and she gets so many things wrong that she spewing as factual. She gets her information from Islamophobic websites by doing a Google search! Prophet Mohammad DID NOT consummate his marriage with Aisha when she was 9 years old. Aisha was much older when Prophet Mohammad married her. She had already been engaged to another man prior. How old do you think the Virgin Mary was when she gave birth to Jesus? It's estimated that she was 12/13 years of age since back in those times after girls and boys entered puberty, they were of marriageable age and considered to be "adults". Islam was the first religion to give women their God given rights. Islam is perfect, Muslims are not. Are there some Muslims that do not follow Islam the proper way? Certainly but there are more Muslims that do follow Islam properly. Some Islamic countries' culture gets twisted with Islam. There's a huge difference between Islam and culture. Nuriya's ethnic background is Pakistani. Not once does she mention the laws and rules of Pakistan. They distort Islam more than some Arab and/or Persian countries. So again, I implore of you not to listen to this rubbish.
I don't think you've necessarily been lied to because religion is very subjective and while some people have good interpretations of it, a great majority use it to harm others. I don't suppose something can be inherently bad or good as it's up to the people that practice it.
With any high control group, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
I praise God you are now free! I will be praying for your safety.
Great interview. I love Nuriyah. I wonder if you can get Jennifer Sutton on your podcast?
She's a double one. Ex-muslim and/ex-mormon in one person!
That’s so interesting about the pork. I grew up in a different cult, Seventh Day Adventist. They don’t allow pork, alcohol, caffeine, shellfish, all kinds of things. I love my coffee and tea. I drink alcohol. It’s the foods that I still can’t do. It’s been 20 years, and I can’t eat anything that was considered “unclean” still. It still turns my stomach. I have no idea why.
You are missing out on seafood and bacon!🥓 😮💨
How in the world can you call this humble healthy lifestyle an a cult 😮The message that tells men to love your wife as your own flesh. To lay your life down for a friend. Not forceful, but a choice. Please, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. You that coffee, caffeine, cigarettes, alcohol etc. is bad for you. To love your enemies as well as your neighbors. Praying for you 🙏 friend
Two very beautiful and brave women❣️
Agree!
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Ayisha tried to talk to Muhammad in defense of a Woman who came to her for some sort of protection. She said the woman was greener from bruising than the color of her gown which was green. Ayisha said the Muslim woman suffer the most.
Look up Tori Towey. Irish lady just escaped home after horror in Dubai. Thank God shes home. It's an awful ordeal.
You are both amazing🎉❤
That you Shalise and Nuriyah for your wise and courageous work shining your light in all the dark spaces! Something that comes to me as I watch Nuriyah's segments and others on this channel is that no one seems to talk much about the Old Testament of the Bible, the horrific things it contains , and where that can lead. I did hear Nuriyah mention that a Muslim man can marry someone from the "people of the book" and that points out what seems pretty obvious to me, but , again, I don't hear much talk about it. The rules for women in the Old Testament are nearly the same as Nuriyah reports of Shariya. The Old Testament lists women as property, gives the death penalty for unwitnessed rape, promotes child marriage, polygamy, beating, all much the same, it's all in there. The rules for war are also very similar. Wipe out all the males, and assault and kill the married women, assault and /or marry the girls and take slaves of those who remain ....The more "conservative" the sect of any of these "Abrahamic" religions the more closely they will adhere to these harmful patriarchal values. In countries with Sharia we can see these things play out very overtly, whereas in the other regions and religions we see it become more hidden and cult-like in the home or the church/mosque/temple group to different degrees. Dress codes, modesty rules, obedience to father, brother, husband.....all so similar and all so traumatically abusive. I remember feeling quite shocked, traumatized and angry when I first went through the Old Testament and saw these barbaric rules for war and women, death penalties, cutting off off limbs, stoning, etc. and realized that there are folks that want the whole society to move in back in that direction and are actively working toward it. It makes it all the more important that people come forward with their stories as they do on this channel. Thank you both.
YES.
There is no polygamy in the Jewish faith. I’m a Jew, I study Torah with my clergy along with Hebrew. I’m a Reform Jew. I go to a Reform synagogue. The interpretation is more modern. Every week I read through the D’var Torah which talks about the portion for the week and the main lesson for the week. I’m a proud Jew!
@@PinkHawk191 not now. There was in what Christians call the Old Testament. For that matter, it was apparently common in the early Christian church, because a rule was made that a church leader (elder/bishop) must be “husband of one wife.”
"Stay Tuned, This Is Not The End" would be an great name for a PodCast or a book title.
Watch not without my daughter with Sally feilds,great movie
I just feel Hinduism is so adaptive and ever evolving, it has so many sects and good teachings, nothing can suffocate you in such an adaptive way of life.
I’ve heard of women in Saudi Arabia, who were executed and given excessive amounts of lashes because they attempted to report a sexual assault.
The juice is not worth the squeeze!!!! Profound!!!
It's amazing how we can be imprisoned by our own minds belief system.
I once saw a clip of three middle-eastern muslim women on a talk show happlily discussing how to best use make-up to cover the bruises and marks left from their husband's beatings. The clip is probably gone now because people from the west were freaking out that these women had normalized having to cover bruises.
Wow!!
John 14:6 - “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”.
Anybody telling you to go back to Dubai or are you at or Saudi Arabia? These people are not your friends because they don’t care about your safety. They just wanna see you and have fun but this is real dangerous for you and I think it’s better to stay in the west, I would say Great Britain the USA Canada