I bought the same exact Snare way back in 1971 and have done the same restoration every few years, even the Ludacris act of cutting and bending up the broken Snare Wires!!!
I enjoyed the vid, nice job. That is the same drum Hal Blaine used, although an earlier version. Karen Carpenter gifted a new Supraphonic to me on my 16th birthday, I still use it.
David, Hal Blaine and Karen Carpenter are two individuals that made me want to start playing/collecting vintage drums. That's amazing that she gifted you a supra on your birthday! It's always the stories attached to each drum that excites me the most! Thank you for watching!
@@destination_percussion They were a big influence on me as well. Joe Osborn is my Dad and I went to many sessions with him and got to know Hal very well. I met Karen when they were recording in dad's garage studio. She was the one who showed me how to change drum heads and some jazz tricks as she was advanced compared to my beginner status. Both top shelf people, I think of them often.
@@timm1139 Do you think I should? You see, my father is Joe Osborn. That's how I knew Hal and Karen. I am going to make an Internet presence for my Dad , his story is an interesting one. I am currently working on his discography which is vast, more so than even I knew. I very recently learned he played on "soolaimon" by Neil Diamond. There have been other surprises as well... And the beat goes on.
@@davidosborn146 Absolutely! I think people would be interested in all of those stories that were a part of your life. It's not just from a historical standpoint, but, tips, tricks & recording methods that were used. Plus the memories of your father & the people both of you interacted with. Let us all know when your channel launches!
Totally understand the "gigging drum" vs "home drum" thing. It's really hard to replace vintage instruments. Also depends on the gig. I'm also very/not surprised about the holes in the butt plate: I had to tap these recently (M4 works great w/o drilling), and you'd think after 5 years, Ludwig would have fixed this. INDe for my next one for sure.
Me too! But I've also been diving into Flitz Metal Polish and Mother mag and aluminum polish. Both are more gentle than brasso. I've learned that over the years while doing more projects like this one. Thanks for watching @manderson9289!
Hi, congratulations on your video, could you tell me the size of the nylon washers for the tie rods? Or maybe give me the ebay link? Thank you very much
Hi! Below is a link to some more recent washers that you can pick up for a decent price. I used to be able to buy 100 washers for about $6 but now they have since doubled in price since I released the supraphonic video. Link is in the comment below this one. Thank you so much for watching!
Thank you very much. I ended up buying Tama washers in Italy. Unfortunately, the ones in your link have high shipping costs and arrive in a long time. Thanks again
Hey James! The cotton ball dampens the spring on the inside of the lug. If you don't dampen the springs when you put the drum back together, you'll hear them rattle when you hit the drum. Let me know if you have any more questions. Thank you for watching!
@@destination_percussion Oh okay, I see. Just curious, is there any actual dampeners made for this purpose that you can buy? Also one more question, Im looking to get new hoops for mine, its the 5x14, do you have any suggestions? I dont feel the need to get original vintage ones unless some come along cheap, but was thinking maybe something that will actually improve the sound for harder playing, but still keep it in the ballpark of the Ludwig sound, so maybe triple flanged of some kind.
@@underpressureman Some Ludwig drums have foam dampeners for the springs, but over time they disintegrate. Cotton balls are just the easiest and cheapest option that I've found. As for hoops, I would recommend the 2.3mm triple flanged Hoops from Gibraltar if you can't find any original ones. Super rigid hoops and not that expensive. They can defiantly take a beating! Great rimshot sounds!
Awesome. I bought a kit off a guy and he had the whole thing wrapped this snare is underneath that ugly blue wrap. I’m just scared to rip it off and make it worse. Might have to give it a try.
The thing with P85 strainers is that they get sticky after a while (forcing you to turn the snares on with 2 hands). Its a fixable issue, but I recommend it if you are on a tight budget. A new p85 should cost around $20-$25. If you have a few extra dollars I would look into a p88ac or a Inde Snare Drum Strainer. Best of luck to you, and thanks for watching! DR
Hey Ethan, first off thanks for watching! These are the songs that I could remember from this video. "Crescent" by Anomalie "love juice" by Owane "Bonus Points" - Laid Back Enjoy!
Hey James, the late 70’s Supraphonic and Supersensitive have the same exact shell composition (Chrome over Aluminum) as well as having the same lugs and hoops. The only difference between them is the throw off systems. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for Watching! Is the hoop fading to a sort of goldish brass color? If so, you’d have to take it somewhere and get it re-plated. Most of the hoops on the 20’s stuff is nickel over brass.
@@StuartJrBarrett Combonation of pitting and imperfection in the plating process. Most of the plating was done by hand back in that time. (About 100 years ago) After I polished another project of mine the nickel rubbed off and exposed the brass like your hoops. I’ve just accepted the look for right now until I can replate my parts.
Try using viniger and water mix wrap a cuetipwith tin foil dipt in the mix and clean the pit marks by gently rubbing and dry with a cloth...pit marks will be gone.🥁🤓
@@destination_percussion Just a thought.. they sell ‘cut to fit’ a/c filters at HD and Lowe’s.. you can cut them with scissors, they’re plastic (not organic like cotton) and wouldn’t hold moisture. I’m not a drummer, never tried this, but just a suggestion.
Actually this guy is a much better drummer than he is a snare drum restorationist. He left a lot of a corrosion on the top and bottom rims and on the lugs. The orange rubbing compound is much too harsh to use on a chrome surface. It tends to scratch the Chrome. Mother's mag and chrome wheel polish works very well for what he was trying to accomplish. The drum sounds much better than it looks. Just my two cents worth.
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I bought the same exact Snare way back in 1971 and have done the same restoration every few years, even the Ludacris act of cutting and bending up the broken Snare Wires!!!
Thanks for watching!
Have a 71' myself.👍
you did a great job, just pulled my dads old supraphonic out of the garage, amazing classic
Have the same '68 Supra. Great condition.
High tuning sounds great !
Tom Parsons Thanks for watching!
i feel a lot rdavidr vibe in this video, great content by the way, thanks!
good job buddy
I’ve got a 68. It is, by far, my favourite snare drum ❤️
My '68 Supraphonic is absolutely my best-sounding snare. No contest. It makes me wonder if there's something about that year.
I enjoyed the vid, nice job.
That is the same drum Hal Blaine used, although an earlier version. Karen Carpenter gifted a new Supraphonic to me on my 16th birthday, I still use it.
David, Hal Blaine and Karen Carpenter are two individuals that made me want to start playing/collecting vintage drums. That's amazing that she gifted you a supra on your birthday! It's always the stories attached to each drum that excites me the most! Thank you for watching!
@@destination_percussion
They were a big influence on me as well. Joe Osborn is my Dad and I went to many sessions with him and got to know Hal very well.
I met Karen when they were recording in dad's garage studio. She was the one who showed me how to change drum heads and some jazz tricks as she was advanced compared to my beginner status. Both top shelf people, I think of them often.
Amazing story David. Please record all of your stories somehow so they can be preserved. These memories need to be saved for future generations.
@@timm1139
Do you think I should? You see, my father is Joe Osborn. That's how I knew Hal and Karen. I am going to make an Internet presence for my Dad , his story is an interesting one. I am currently working on his discography which is vast, more so than even I knew.
I very recently learned he played on "soolaimon" by Neil Diamond.
There have been other surprises as well... And the beat goes on.
@@davidosborn146 Absolutely! I think people would be interested in all of those stories that were a part of your life. It's not just from a historical standpoint, but, tips, tricks & recording methods that were used. Plus the memories of your father & the people both of you interacted with. Let us all know when your channel launches!
Really nice video. I just bought a “neglected” Sup-Sen Supraphonic and I’m going to do what you did. Thanks so much for the tips!!
Just8 2Much Thanks for Watching! 🙏🏻
@@destination_percussion I will buy a used Ludwig Supraphonic from the 1960's and restore that drum the same way how you did it.
@@SuperheroJunior Best of luck to you! If you have any questions during the process I would be glad to answer them. Thanks for watching!!!
@@destination_percussion Thanks so much. I will definitely reach out to you when I start this project with the Ludwig Supraphonic snare drum.
@@destination_percussion I have a question. Why is it that the Ludwig Black Beauty snare drum is more expensive than the Ludwig Supraphonic??
Totally understand the "gigging drum" vs "home drum" thing. It's really hard to replace vintage instruments. Also depends on the gig. I'm also very/not surprised about the holes in the butt plate: I had to tap these recently (M4 works great w/o drilling), and you'd think after 5 years, Ludwig would have fixed this. INDe for my next one for sure.
I've been wanting to try the INDe throw and butt plate for a while. I'll have to buy a set for my next project. Thanks for watching!
Just realized I had one of these (I think it’s a 1979 based on the serial number) and this video is super helpful.
Well done!
MAD Cross stick skills!!! LOVED that. You do great vid’s man!!
Thanks for watching!! I'll try the A/C filter idea next time I restore a snare drum!!
@@destination_percussion Cool! Hope it works!
well done .I need to do the same to mine.
The head should not to wedged on there so tight that you need a deadblow mallet to take it off.
It's a sure sign that the shell is out of round.
Thank you Karen.
Because it's a Remo head.
@@branwerks6978 you don't know what you're talking about.
si sente dal suono che e' ovalizzato.
Cool
love me some brasso!
Me too! But I've also been diving into Flitz Metal Polish and Mother mag and aluminum polish. Both are more gentle than brasso. I've learned that over the years while doing more projects like this one. Thanks for watching @manderson9289!
Ludwig now has the 18 strand, metal end plates available like the original 1960s $20.00 Thats part of what made that 400 Supraphonic sound Great
Hopefully Santa will bring me some of those wires for Christmas this year, I’ve been pretty good.. I think 🧐……
Thanks for watching!!!
Good job
mine is from 1971, i love it
Hi, congratulations on your video, could you tell me the size of the nylon washers for the tie rods? Or maybe give me the ebay link? Thank you very much
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Hi! Below is a link to some more recent washers that you can pick up for a decent price. I used to be able to buy 100 washers for about $6 but now they have since doubled in price since I released the supraphonic video. Link is in the comment below this one. Thank you so much for watching!
Thank you very much. I ended up buying Tama washers in Italy. Unfortunately, the ones in your link have high shipping costs and arrive in a long time. Thanks again
Awesome. I just picked up a 72 in pretty great condition. Jusr curious, whats the cotton for under the springs?
Hey James! The cotton ball dampens the spring on the inside of the lug. If you don't dampen the springs when you put the drum back together, you'll hear them rattle when you hit the drum. Let me know if you have any more questions. Thank you for watching!
@@destination_percussion Oh okay, I see. Just curious, is there any actual dampeners made for this purpose that you can buy? Also one more question, Im looking to get new hoops for mine, its the 5x14, do you have any suggestions? I dont feel the need to get original vintage ones unless some come along cheap, but was thinking maybe something that will actually improve the sound for harder playing, but still keep it in the ballpark of the Ludwig sound, so maybe triple flanged of some kind.
@@underpressureman Some Ludwig drums have foam dampeners for the springs, but over time they disintegrate. Cotton balls are just the easiest and cheapest option that I've found. As for hoops, I would recommend the 2.3mm triple flanged Hoops from Gibraltar if you can't find any original ones. Super rigid hoops and not that expensive. They can defiantly take a beating! Great rimshot sounds!
Awesome. I bought a kit off a guy and he had the whole thing wrapped this snare is underneath that ugly blue wrap. I’m just scared to rip it off and make it worse. Might have to give it a try.
Would it make sense to soak the springs in WD40?
This is the snare that Mick Tucker played the most famous shuffle in history on - Ballroom Blitz.
The snare cleaned up nice but I would have taken the shell to a chrome plating shop and have it Re-chromed and make it like new !
I don't understand why you didn't have the Shell rechrommed. It doesn't cost that much, and you would have a mint looking drum.
HI! Do you recomend the P85 strainer?
The thing with P85 strainers is that they get sticky after a while (forcing you to turn the snares on with 2 hands). Its a fixable issue, but I recommend it if you are on a tight budget. A new p85 should cost around $20-$25. If you have a few extra dollars I would look into a p88ac or a Inde Snare Drum Strainer. Best of luck to you, and thanks for watching!
DR
"Drum head is stuck to the shell"...well, it IS a Remo, after all...
56 bucks? Damn. I just got an old supraphonic from the 60s for 250 bucks that is kind of beat up and i thought i got a pretty good deal on it.
Where did you buy the nylon washer pack?
www.ebay.com/itm/100-NEW-Thick-White-Nylon-Drum-Tension-Rod-Washers-for-Snare-Toms-Bass-/293875949137?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
What songs do you have playing over this video?
Hey Ethan, first off thanks for watching! These are the songs that I could remember from this video.
"Crescent" by Anomalie
"love juice" by Owane
"Bonus Points" - Laid Back
Enjoy!
Do you know if a late 70's supraphonic and supersensitive are basically the same drum, aside from the throw off system?
Hey James, the late 70’s Supraphonic and Supersensitive have the same exact shell composition (Chrome over Aluminum) as well as having the same lugs and hoops. The only difference between them is the throw off systems. Thanks for watching!
An SS doesn't have snare beds.
Great video. I have a 1920’s Ludwig and the top hoop is fading a bit (chrome). What can I do to fix this??
Thanks for Watching! Is the hoop fading to a sort of goldish brass color? If so, you’d have to take it somewhere and get it re-plated. Most of the hoops on the 20’s stuff is nickel over brass.
Destin Ramos yes. That’s exactly what’s happening. Is that pitting?? Is this normal?
@@StuartJrBarrett Combonation of pitting and imperfection in the plating process. Most of the plating was done by hand back in that time. (About 100 years ago)
After I polished another project of mine the nickel rubbed off and exposed the brass like your hoops. I’ve just accepted the look for right now until I can replate my parts.
Destin Ramos sounds good man! Thanks! Glad to know that it’s normal.
Try using viniger and water mix wrap a cuetipwith tin foil dipt in the mix and clean the pit marks by gently rubbing and dry with a cloth...pit marks will be gone.🥁🤓
I see four holes in the butt plate, the two others does not fit?
Yes but I disagree with cotton in the lugs. Cotton hold moisture.
david rodriguez, I never took that into consideration, what would you use as an alternative?
@@destination_percussion Just a thought.. they sell ‘cut to fit’ a/c filters at HD and Lowe’s.. you can cut them with scissors, they’re plastic (not organic like cotton) and wouldn’t hold moisture. I’m not a drummer, never tried this, but just a suggestion.
exactly. no good reason for that. the lugs hold tension, the springs are just there to prevent things from falling apart during head changes.
4:48 name music?
Love Juice by Owane
@@destination_percussion thanks!
I clicked on this thinking you would show us how to deal with the 'pitting' on the shell... You did state; 'Restoration'...?
Only way to do this is to get it re-chromed. No real way to deal with it, and it is more than most people are willing to spend.
@@idontgrillonwed I've seen them stripped, and polished, also powder coated. Was hoping for possibly another viable option, or some useful tips.
Actually this guy is a much better drummer than he is a snare drum restorationist. He left a lot of a corrosion on the top and bottom rims and on the lugs. The orange rubbing compound is much too harsh to use on a chrome surface. It tends to scratch the Chrome. Mother's mag and chrome wheel polish works very well for what he was trying to accomplish. The drum sounds much better than it looks. Just my two cents worth.
Trench on the kit 4
Trench on the kit 4
Trench on the kit 4
Trench on the kit 4
The music is intrusive.
Low Tuning
Too bad the build quality of these drums was garbage. Chrome pitting and the throw off was junk.... I use mine to hold my beer ;)
The 70's version of this drum isn't cool... You need one with a vintage keystone badge. Just saying.
I agree that the keystones are much cooler! I have two keystones. One has 10 lugs and the other has 8.
cleaning a snare with brasso is not a restoration!!!
Sacrilege to replace original & perfectly useable parts for modern …….Don’t do it…..!!!!!