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Prof, I like ya, but screw you man. I don't play helldivers, i don't play video games even at this point but i would just tell someone i don't care about your game. You would care if it was wotc ruining mtg. Oh wait...
I hope to see one day a game where everyone builds a deck and trades them between each other but you all roll for highest then pick which deck you want besides the one you built
As a Tomb Raider fanboy I feel the need to to let everyone know that Lara Croft does indeed have a PhD in Archaeology and Comparative Mythology from Oxford.
@@ZoidbergForPresident the original Lara went to finishing school. They mostly teach about etiquette, language, history, and practical skills demanded by high class young women. She skipped higher education entirely and went archeology expedition early
DrLupo has a “Seven tools of the bandit” sort of way of thinking- be ready for anything lol. Always nice to have options, plus if you KNOW an opponent is playing a deck that has cards that block or stop incursion you can know what lovely masterpieces not to play to avoid someone playing a counter to it deck lol 😆 The cleaver player comes prepared- 😎 but 15 decks and never played commander before… *I feel that says* he has WAY too much free time… 🤭
I specifically bought a bag that will fit twelve deck boxes for the rare occasions that I go looking for a game outside my own rec room - one deck in each two-colour combination, one for dice, and one for tokens and counters and such.
@@tarvox14 Literally the first time they said "we know threat assessement" was to have Prof attack Lupo instead of Ash, because his commander is scary I guess? But on the board Ash had her priest of the forgotten gods, making Lupos board basically nothing, on top of having more life than Lupo, but still he's the threat
Exactly the same threat assessment as most casual tables - you hit me, I'll hit you back. If you want cEDH, watch something else. If you want an observer's seat at a kitchen table, this is great content.
@@daniellewis1789 uhh cool?? Unless your offended i shared my opinion of the game, your comment was unwarranted. I love the channel... so that's a thing.
@@daniellewis1789 No, that's not what he's saying. It's just not great content, neither to watch or to participate in, when people aren't playing by the same rule book. Most of this game was essentially a three player game, except one of them had twice the turns, twice the cards and twice the mana. I've had this happen to me at an LGS. Not a great experience, I have to say. It sort of low-key says: "We want to play at this table, but not against you". It abjectly sucks to sit across from.
@@franklesisabella2942 Honestly watching a very typical casual table - they aren't playing optimally, they're making interesting board states happen and having fun - is what I watch this channel for. If you want a totally balanced tier Commander game, watch a competitive channel for it? Or accept that people playing casually play like casuals, and that's okay.
For all the talk of threat assessment, the pod let the player who was actually the threat dictate all the plays. Never let someone control the game like that through politics; take them out swiftly because it shows they have hidden plans. I knew from twenty minutes in who would win purely because of that.
I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one who felt this way watching it. I could feel myself cringing every time she brought up being a pro at threat assessment.
@@clasherking4528 the definition of *poggers: surprised or excited reaction to something.* Honestly, til I looked it up I had put my theory that it was a version of ‘crazy’ but something that goes beyond the normal realm… Like crazy to the tenth power 😅
@@CentaurionArcherhuh, looked it up, simple definition of *Fanum Tax: An internet “slang term” describing the theft of food between friends* Originally coined by American *streamer* Fanum, the term has become an internet meme, particularly by Generation Alpha. The full listed definition on the net lol 😂
Magic the gathering could be often described as the embodiment of “poggers”… Though even though I like & will play Magic, like YuGiOh, is broken with the madness you can do with a deck built right… When/ if you choose to play to win and care nothing about if others can still ‘enjoy’ the game playing against such a deck…
I kinda think threat assessment wasn't done correctly, While Nile kept pointing to others she was controlling the whole game. It felt a bit worse to see a 2 v 1 v1
honestly yeah. the others were so dumb to get tricked by that when it was very obvious how dangerous nile was just with how you knew the deck was sure to be constructed. I woulda been gunning them down ASAP
Lupo didn't violate the alliance. He didn't attack you. That was the deal. I see nothing wrong here Mr. "Attack him, get the initiative, then agree to no more attacks." lol
let me put it to you in this scenario. let's say two countries are involved in a war and another gets hit by their collateral damage. it is natural that that third country would consider the collateral damage as an attack. thus, the good doctor must certainly did attack the professor... no very indirectly. indirectly not, it is still an attack. The professor however should have simply forgave and forgot. The doctor could have been a good ally, at least for the moment. it was the unity of the women that was their greatest strength and weakness of the two fighting men.
This may be one of the harder episodes to watch. Not only did the decks not feel balanced. But it felt like 2 people were a team the whole time and the other two were just punching bags cause they were playing vs everyone instead of a team. 😬
Lupo being on all my favorite magic shows is putting the biggest smile on my face. I’m so happy to see my fav streamer with my favorite magic personalities
This was basically 2v1v1 I guess these kind of commander games happen but it wasn’t really fun to watch the game. Loved the banter between lupo and prof though!
Maybe it's just me, maybe it's her deck, but all Nile seemingly did was just preventing cool things from happening while Ash was profiting off her not being able to turn her head 90°. I hope this isn't taken personally - I don't know her as a person. I just can talk about what I was watching here.
Yeah I agree. Nile was just controlling the whole game and the politics as well. Felt very unfun to watch. I just stopped halfway through and this is the first episode I have done that in. I feel like part of it is they brought a cEDH mindset to the table which they kept on saying they were a cEDH player. But it was a casual table and it just felt ... bleh. Not going to watch any more episodes with her in it. I kind of hope we get more with Ash though she was funny.
the helldivers 2 incident is actually really relevant to mtg, it's a story of a big company doing something that pissed off its playerbase and then the players organized and retaliated and the company reversed its decision (sort of) (also steam offering refunds regardless of playtime and costing Sony a whole mess of money likely influenced Sony's decision)
I love Ashlizzle's accent and how she just brought mono black classics. I was laughing so hard when Prof did the Bugs Bunny joke 😂😂😂 I can't believe the rest didn't burst out laughing
@@JohnSmith-vk9ds Specially if your deck is also a sacrifice deck. The ONLY reason to let it live is if you have removal in your hand, but even then you just let it live for a short while. There is no way Ash could win 1v1 if Nile has the devil on board, and Ash is a good player so she should know that too.
They shook on a temp alliance, killing the commander of a ally is a break of that. If the goal was to knock the other 2 down then nah Lupo broke it first. If Lara hadn't died once before he might have made her have it.
@@atk9989 while that might be the spirit of the agreement, the wording was "lets stop attacking each other" and that's what they shook on. Lupo never broke that deal, even later on when he really should have to get back the initiative with Obeka, the only person who reneged on a deal here was the prof.
@@MrDegan2 In edh the spirit of the agreement is the only thing that matters. It doesn't actually serve you to make deals in bad faith, it annoys the table and stops people from working with you in the future.
While the guests were great. I felt this was one of the furthest game from the spirit of commander and was pretty hard to watch as a shuffle up and play episodes. It was like watching a 2v1v1 on top of singleton without the commander part. While the professor and Dr.Lupos were trying to keep the commander on the board to show off the deck design by recasting/protection. After Ash and Nile lost their commander there's no attempt to bring it back or focus on their commander's idea. In fact they weren't even targeting each other from the beginning at all so it was clear the "commander politics" didn't matter and there weren't even much of it. The funniest part of the video was the prof and Dr.Lupo fighting over the initiative which is kind of saying something. It makes sense they are used to playing competitively but it didn't make for a fun viewing experience when you know one side of the side board clearly had all the threats. Even a non magic player could see there's more creature on one side and have more CARDS in the player hands.
@@nilejoanrivers it would've be funny to ask for a deck shuffle by getting the land destroyed. That way another sacrifice could have been added to the stack. While playing some mega mind games. Again good game nonetheless, hopefully more semi competitive but clowning/jester rakdos commander decks in the future?
I usually enjoy your gameplay content, but man this was an extremely frustrating game to watch. What horrible threat assessment and some truly bad politics and “alliances”. Dr Lupo has some amazing patience man, props to him for staying upbeat and avoiding getting salty.
Also I do genuinely feel like both of the "comp" players refused to target each other basically all game... They even shared information between each other the whole time... it's a little crappy.
Ultimately, I don't think it matters whether or not Dr Lupo broke the deal - what matters is that he should never have made it. The Professor had the initiative, and Lup needed to take it back to get into the game. If the Prof decided to keep swinging into Lupo for the initiative, he'd have lost that race as Lupo's board was, at the time, bigger and more evasive. Professor had nothing he could meaningfully offer Lupo in exchange for nonaggression, and would only have hurt himself by continuing to steal the Initiative for value instead of focusing on the sacrifice decks that were triggering each other's synergies
Sorry prof, but the word of the temporary alliance was that DrLupo would not attack you, while the deluge may violate the spirit of the alliance no court would uphold your complaint
An attack immunity agreement versus temporary alliance have two distinct meanings. Alliance implies team work for a period of time, so yeah it absolutely was breaking the agreement.
When the comment was made about "Imagine disrespecting your creatures enough to just throw them into the trash," I thought about it. Mono black has a lot of Zombies, Skeletons, and Vampires, so technically the GY is their home and it reminded me of the Happy Gilmore scene where he's yelling at the golf ball to go home.
the agreement: "Let's stop attacking each other as of right now." *gives each creature -6/-6* "You violated the alliance!" That is not in the agreement my guy, that was not a violation.
hadn't heard of Lupo before, but seeing that a friend dragged me back in to magic (after over 20 years) with the Transformers cards (Love my "Ramos in The Skies" themedeck) and I absolutely had the same train of thought as him - must be a cool guy.
Dr. Lupo's Obkea Experience(TM) is exactly why I can't groove with Grixis. I feel like every Grixis deck I make is so desperate to have mana up AND the commander out AND fodder on board. Glad to see it's not just me.
I've known about this series for a while but never watched it because of I'm not personally a fan of watching other people play Magic online because a lot of shows are overproduced or have a bunch of expensive cards being thrown around that it loses that casual charm that I love about Commander. But this series just has the energy of a bunch of friends playing a game together in a basement, with a good mix of optimized and casual play that it doesn't lose that charm for me. It doesn't feel like I'm watching a show, it feels like I'm watching some people just play Commander in the back of an LGS.
DrLupo definitely broke the agreement. Technically speaking, he didnt. But in commander mtg, he did. He ALSO was being bullied after his turn in that one rotation 😂😂 and its banter like this why i love commander in general anf this channel
sure seems like the game was thrown at the end with the wrong target for eaten alive. Other than that, it was not fun watching to people team up against two solo players.
Agree, I was really excited to see a Lara deck being played so I could pick up some ideas for mine but teaming up from the start kinda ruined the game for me :/
Hearing “poggers” and “roflstomp” in the same episode was like learning cleopatra lived closer in time to the moon landing than the construction of the great pyramids
it was actually painful watching Lupo and the Professor fight each other. The prof should have let Lupo hit for initiative and stop taking it from him. Lupo should have deluged for 5. They should have stopped swinging at each other as soon as possible ToT
That Diregraf coming in with next to no counters on it is exactly the trap I've fallen into building Gisa myself. She's a zombie lord, but at the same time, playing zombies kinda feels off when you want to be committing crimes as often as possible. I'm currently building her more into a crime focused control/disruption deck and ditching some of the less impactful zombies😂
Prof, you are the wrost at the art of deals! "[Now that I stole the initiative from you,] let's make a deal to never attack each others!!" Also, Toxic deluge was not a break of your alliance.
TECHNICALLY 🤓: As with all multi-choice cards, Rankle and Torbran choices must go in order, so you would sacrifice first and THEN pick the additional 2 damage. Since mayhem devil triggers go on the stack and wait their turn to resolve it doesn't matter here, but its a tricky rule bit that does pop up occasionally. Nile is great though, so she probably is aware and just doesn't explain out full stack shenanigans since it is irrelevant here.
yeah, but modal effects are a single object on the stack (700.2b), after it resolves the sacrifices happen and the mayhem devils abilities triggers go on the stack.
Yeah thats what I meant by "They wait their turn" but perhaps it wasn't clear enough. I was pointing out the order is top to bottom per 608.2c. So yes while it doesn't matter here because of how the mayhem devil triggers go on the stack, it DOES matter for say Cryptic Command, so its important to remember you MUST go top to bottom during resolution. As an recent example that actually happened to me I had a creature with "Your spells cannot be countered". Cryptic command counters, and THEN bounces. So they could not bounce my guy and then counter my spell after he is gone.
Wee bit cringe to say "We know how to do threat assessment" and then send Mayhem Devil triggers at Prof when his board has just been cleared and he's at single digit life... meanwhile the player directly to your right is at 31 and has a commanding board presence lol. And apparently no one else had the presence of mind to notice that as a problem...
You missed the keyword, "WE". The prof tried to subtly call out their team-play a few times but ultimately gave up instead of causing a scene. What can you do, some people just can't play fair in a FFA game.
As a guy who loves the Initiative and dungeon mechanics, I'm so proud of the Professor finally playing with it. Like... he's starting to see how fun it can be. I am really bummed he didn't get to the Throne Room. I wanna see him make a deck with Initiative play now.
I always like Shuffle up and play content but this felt like such a throw. Ash and Nile barely touched each other's board until the very end and even then it was very forced. For everyone talking about "threat assessment" it's crazy that nobody mentioned "that Mayham Devil has to go"
Thanks for all you do prof, I can’t afford to play magic and haven’t been able to for a few years but it’s so much fun to watch all your content and play magic vicariously through you and your wonderful friends.
I need to know where Nile got that nail polish, her manicure looks fantastic. Also I'm glad Prof is way more chill about initiative this time, that game with Vince was miserable tbh
Prof, you should do an episode where everyone builds an EDH deck where the Commander is from Homelands. (I did with my friends, and trying to keep a pre-2000's card pool, and was very funny).
I agree with the Professor that toxic deluge for 6 made Dr lupo and him lose the game. Dr lupo should have made a deal he toxic deluges for 5 intrude for a free hit with Obeka.
Lara Croft has access to blue and the professor didn't even use ONE COUNTERSPELL... Just saying how suspicious that is. I'm sure bad deck probably had access to counterspells.
I'm pretty sure the game shouldn't have ended that way because of rule 608.2c: Rankle and Torbran would have caused each player to sacrifice a creature before the final ability, causing the 4 mayhem devil triggers to only deal a combined 4 damage rather than 12. 608.2c "The controller of the spell or ability follows its instructions in the order written."
This is not correct - all the choices are part of one triggered ability. This means that all modes chosen are resolved before the Mayhem Devil triggers, so they still gain the extra damage
@@unraveki Yes they do, and if I were to guess you were told to draw a card then immediately discard it, if you have no cards in hand Rankle would make you discard your nothing then draw a card in that order.
They resolve in the order written but the ability is a single object on the stack (700.2b) The creatures get sacrficed after it resolves, the sacrifice triggers the mayhem devils ability.
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Prof, I like ya, but screw you man. I don't play helldivers, i don't play video games even at this point but i would just tell someone i don't care about your game. You would care if it was wotc ruining mtg. Oh wait...
I hope to see one day a game where everyone builds a deck and trades them between each other but you all roll for highest then pick which deck you want besides the one you built
As a Tomb Raider fanboy I feel the need to to let everyone know that Lara Croft does indeed have a PhD in Archaeology and Comparative Mythology from Oxford.
Yup. She's an accomplished Woman.
It was mentioned in the new tomb raider games 👍
Correct as a fan i can also confirm.
@@dragonmaster1601 It's a reboot though... what about the original Lara? :D
@@ZoidbergForPresident the original Lara went to finishing school. They mostly teach about etiquette, language, history, and practical skills demanded by high class young women. She skipped higher education entirely and went archeology expedition early
From "screw the initiative" to "you are not getting it back"
Turns out is is pretty good, but you'll never hear me admitting it! ;p
@@TolarianCommunityCollege im waiting for Vince to come charging into the comments :D
@TolarianCommunityCollege I kept saying "I'm so proud of you" this video when you advanced.
I'm telling Vince that you love initiative
Character development
Plays 1 Commander Game. Brings 15 Commander Decks. this DrLupo is of my people.
DrLupo has a “Seven tools of the bandit” sort of way of thinking- be ready for anything lol. Always nice to have options, plus if you KNOW an opponent is playing a deck that has cards that block or stop incursion you can know what lovely masterpieces not to play to avoid someone playing a counter to it deck lol 😆 The cleaver player comes prepared- 😎 but 15 decks and never played commander before… *I feel that says* he has WAY too much free time… 🤭
I’m replying with a 👍 because I don’t wanna wreck the 69 likes 😂
I specifically bought a bag that will fit twelve deck boxes for the rare occasions that I go looking for a game outside my own rec room - one deck in each two-colour combination, one for dice, and one for tokens and counters and such.
Someone should have told Lupo and the professor that this was 2 headed giant.
One of the giant kept headbutting himself, probably ogre magi, which is a gamer reference.
Honestly the most frustrating part of the episode for me, so much talk about threat assesment while completely ignoring half the table 😐
@@tarvox14 Literally the first time they said "we know threat assessement" was to have Prof attack Lupo instead of Ash, because his commander is scary I guess? But on the board Ash had her priest of the forgotten gods, making Lupos board basically nothing, on top of having more life than Lupo, but still he's the threat
Never listen to sacrifice players
So I am not the only one seeing that…
Tbh the girls are very arrogant imao
I love this two headed Giant game where one is just sack black and the other keeps punching itself in the face.
Exactly the same threat assessment as most casual tables - you hit me, I'll hit you back. If you want cEDH, watch something else. If you want an observer's seat at a kitchen table, this is great content.
@@daniellewis1789 uhh cool?? Unless your offended i shared my opinion of the game, your comment was unwarranted. I love the channel... so that's a thing.
@@Solidwake This episode could have been so much better if that couple weren't on it. Was boring. imo - loved the Prof and Dr. as always.
@@daniellewis1789 No, that's not what he's saying.
It's just not great content, neither to watch or to participate in, when people aren't playing by the same rule book. Most of this game was essentially a three player game, except one of them had twice the turns, twice the cards and twice the mana.
I've had this happen to me at an LGS. Not a great experience, I have to say. It sort of low-key says: "We want to play at this table, but not against you". It abjectly sucks to sit across from.
@@franklesisabella2942 Honestly watching a very typical casual table - they aren't playing optimally, they're making interesting board states happen and having fun - is what I watch this channel for. If you want a totally balanced tier Commander game, watch a competitive channel for it?
Or accept that people playing casually play like casuals, and that's okay.
the professors complete inability to give half a fuck about helldivers 2 is great :D
Feels a bit more like two-headed giant. Probably should have actually committed to helping each other, lol.
3 headed giant from that one Ghidora meme
For all the talk of threat assessment, the pod let the player who was actually the threat dictate all the plays. Never let someone control the game like that through politics; take them out swiftly because it shows they have hidden plans. I knew from twenty minutes in who would win purely because of that.
it was wild to watch her draw like 7 cards from braids, and still apparently be considered safe to negotiate with.
@MrDegan2 it was so frustrating, it felt like nobody's deck got to do anything because nobody was actually dealing with the problem
I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one who felt this way watching it. I could feel myself cringing every time she brought up being a pro at threat assessment.
isn't that true...
I was actually getting angry at them for just letting her runaway with it
Lupo and Prof's interactions are so awesome. If you have seen their Commander at Home episode, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Profs confusion at the start is something I can really empathise with hahaha
My younger coworkers talk about things that make me feel like that
I recall them frantically trying to explain Fanum Tax (?) to me at the last Christmas part... I still don't really get it
I'm 25 and still don't understand what in the theros underworld they are talking about..... What IS poggers?
@@clasherking4528 the definition of *poggers: surprised or excited reaction to something.* Honestly, til I looked it up I had put my theory that it was a version of ‘crazy’ but something that goes beyond the normal realm… Like crazy to the tenth power 😅
@@CentaurionArcherhuh, looked it up, simple definition of *Fanum Tax: An internet “slang term” describing the theft of food between friends*
Originally coined by American *streamer* Fanum, the term has become an internet meme, particularly by Generation Alpha.
The full listed definition on the net lol 😂
@CentaurionArcher is it weird I don't know what that is, but I know what Biboo Tax is? Lol
Pogger Up and Play
That is a horrible joke, take my like
Pogger up and Slay
@@ChillingWithChu hell yeah
Magic the gathering could be often described as the embodiment of “poggers”…
Though even though I like & will play Magic, like YuGiOh, is broken with the madness you can do with a deck built right… When/ if you choose to play to win and care nothing about if others can still ‘enjoy’ the game playing against such a deck…
Shuffle up and Pog.
The game pretty much immediately became two-headed dragon, except 1 team kept sniping each other instead of the enemy team.
I kinda think threat assessment wasn't done correctly, While Nile kept pointing to others she was controlling the whole game. It felt a bit worse to see a 2 v 1 v1
Lying about threat assesment when you are indeed the threat is still a valid stratagy
Or just controlling the entire game with it.
honestly yeah. the others were so dumb to get tricked by that when it was very obvious how dangerous nile was just with how you knew the deck was sure to be constructed. I woulda been gunning them down ASAP
I agree, I didn't like the style of gameplay by Nile.
@@thatepicwizardguy and it would have worked too
Lupo didn't violate the alliance. He didn't attack you. That was the deal. I see nothing wrong here Mr. "Attack him, get the initiative, then agree to no more attacks." lol
let me put it to you in this scenario. let's say two countries are involved in a war and another gets hit by their collateral damage. it is natural that that third country would consider the collateral damage as an attack.
thus, the good doctor must certainly did attack the professor... no very indirectly. indirectly not, it is still an attack.
The professor however should have simply forgave and forgot. The doctor could have been a good ally, at least for the moment. it was the unity of the women that was their greatest strength and weakness of the two fighting men.
I don’t think I’ve ever watched a video with prof or lupo that I didn’t entirely enjoy. I get alliances and politics but this really was a 2v1v1
The Helldivers intro killed me lmfao that was hilarious
Correction, they stopped offering Helldiver's 2 in those countries
@@avtv71 They did in fact do that, but it also blocked access to everyone in those countries that had already bought the game.
This may be one of the harder episodes to watch. Not only did the decks not feel balanced. But it felt like 2 people were a team the whole time and the other two were just punching bags cause they were playing vs everyone instead of a team. 😬
18:07 must be the consequence of Prof winning the last Commander Shuffle Up & Play. The Universe tries to prevent it from ever happening again.
Lupo being on all my favorite magic shows is putting the biggest smile on my face. I’m so happy to see my fav streamer with my favorite magic personalities
Professor zoning out to I don’t know what the Helldivers 2 that was is the Shuffle Up content I crave.
I thought RUclips changed video on me for a sec
Should have left in the whole ten minutes of him zoning out
21:18 the censoring of the Director in the background made me replay it over and over, perfect sound editing!
Sounds like Prof needs a piping hot cup of Liber-tea
'i will open my heart to poggers'
😂😂😂😂😂
Someone please make this a meme!
im honored tbh
Oh my god, thanks for inviting Ash! Love her❤️
Well this was basically two headed giant against two people. Honestly made gameplay a little rough to watch.
Nice 2v1v1, makes the win feel really deserving
4 super villians just got their origin stories from breaking "contracts"
I love that, since Prof never played the original Fallouts, he doesn't even know his Tragic: The Gathering joke is in Fallout
The alliance was specifically a non-attack treaty; no violations occurred, until Prof decided to bully the good Doctor.
Agreed and the toxic deluge saved their ass too 😅
This was a great two-headed giant episode, when is commander being played next? ;)
tell me why i already knew how this pod would end just from being at local lg's where couples team up till the have to kill eachother.
IDK about other couples but my wife tries to kill me with reckless abandon every game we play together. She will choose my death over securing a win
This was basically 2v1v1 I guess these kind of commander games happen but it wasn’t really fun to watch the game. Loved the banter between lupo and prof though!
Maybe it's just me, maybe it's her deck, but all Nile seemingly did was just preventing cool things from happening while Ash was profiting off her not being able to turn her head 90°.
I hope this isn't taken personally - I don't know her as a person. I just can talk about what I was watching here.
Couldn't agree more.
Yeah, this one was kind of an underwhelming. I gave up on this game when it was first uploaded, and am just circling back now.
Yeah I agree. Nile was just controlling the whole game and the politics as well. Felt very unfun to watch. I just stopped halfway through and this is the first episode I have done that in. I feel like part of it is they brought a cEDH mindset to the table which they kept on saying they were a cEDH player. But it was a casual table and it just felt ... bleh. Not going to watch any more episodes with her in it. I kind of hope we get more with Ash though she was funny.
This is the most interesting game of Two Headed Giant I have ever seen
the helldivers 2 incident is actually really relevant to mtg, it's a story of a big company doing something that pissed off its playerbase and then the players organized and retaliated and the company reversed its decision (sort of) (also steam offering refunds regardless of playtime and costing Sony a whole mess of money likely influenced Sony's decision)
I love Ashlizzle's accent and how she just brought mono black classics. I was laughing so hard when Prof did the Bugs Bunny joke 😂😂😂 I can't believe the rest didn't burst out laughing
so cool seeing Ashlizzle in a commander format, awesome episode :)
She's been in quite a few episodes of The Worst Possible Commander Show recently too, in case you're unaware.
I really like Ash but damn did she misplay by letting that Mayhem devil live. It cost her the game
@@JoseSanchez-cq9rg Yeah at the tables where I regularly play, Mayhem Devil is pretty much a kill-on-sight regardless of the context.
@@JohnSmith-vk9ds Specially if your deck is also a sacrifice deck. The ONLY reason to let it live is if you have removal in your hand, but even then you just let it live for a short while. There is no way Ash could win 1v1 if Nile has the devil on board, and Ash is a good player so she should know that too.
Only Prof could fumble an updog joke into a funnier, more endearing joke
Prof's proposed olive branch was "let's stop attacking each other", they shaked on that. Prof broke the deal
They shook on a temp alliance, killing the commander of a ally is a break of that. If the goal was to knock the other 2 down then nah Lupo broke it first. If Lara hadn't died once before he might have made her have it.
@@atk9989 while that might be the spirit of the agreement, the wording was "lets stop attacking each other" and that's what they shook on. Lupo never broke that deal, even later on when he really should have to get back the initiative with Obeka, the only person who reneged on a deal here was the prof.
@@MrDegan2 and then right after that in the very next breath he says remporary alliance in those exact words. He broke it.
@@MrDegan2 In edh the spirit of the agreement is the only thing that matters. It doesn't actually serve you to make deals in bad faith, it annoys the table and stops people from working with you in the future.
The Professor: "You play Magic online!"
Ashlizzle: "Well, yes, but also no."
this felt like i was watching a 2v1v3 ngl lol
While the guests were great. I felt this was one of the furthest game from the spirit of commander and was pretty hard to watch as a shuffle up and play episodes. It was like watching a 2v1v1 on top of singleton without the commander part. While the professor and Dr.Lupos were trying to keep the commander on the board to show off the deck design by recasting/protection. After Ash and Nile lost their commander there's no attempt to bring it back or focus on their commander's idea. In fact they weren't even targeting each other from the beginning at all so it was clear the "commander politics" didn't matter and there weren't even much of it. The funniest part of the video was the prof and Dr.Lupo fighting over the initiative which is kind of saying something. It makes sense they are used to playing competitively but it didn't make for a fun viewing experience when you know one side of the side board clearly had all the threats. Even a non magic player could see there's more creature on one side and have more CARDS in the player hands.
Headline: greedy girl sacrifices a land to braids, immediately loses her 5 mana commander, struggles to find 7 mana after that 😅
@@nilejoanrivers it would've be funny to ask for a deck shuffle by getting the land destroyed. That way another sacrifice could have been added to the stack. While playing some mega mind games.
Again good game nonetheless, hopefully more semi competitive but clowning/jester rakdos commander decks in the future?
The “commander politics” often resulted in a “you can’t gaslight us, we’re PROS, we KNOW how to assess threats”
and that is why, Ladies and Gentlemen, you never-ever let a Mayhem Devil resolve. >.>
I usually enjoy your gameplay content, but man this was an extremely frustrating game to watch. What horrible threat assessment and some truly bad politics and “alliances”. Dr Lupo has some amazing patience man, props to him for staying upbeat and avoiding getting salty.
He was the one resistant to working with the prof, he had the ability to use politics but chose not to.
Seeing prof with the initiative is a whiplash, i wasn't prepared for it
Ashlizzlle didn’t grasp the fact that there are more opponents than just who is across her 😂
imagine if Samson had been a commander player... I feel like his game would have went a lot like this one.
She should've killed Mayhem devil instead of Kroxa
really seemed like a team of 2 vs two single players. Feel bad for prof and Lupo
DrLupo and Ashlizzle are just speedrunning every mtg channel and tbh I’m down for it
The way my jaw DROPPED at how fast Prof agreed to attack Lupo, I'm dead
Very weird to me that they let the Mayhem Devil live all that time.
Prof being ready to throw the game over the initiative is crazy. Also, keeping the initiative off your upkeep deck ally doesn't seem like an alliance
Loving how the prof keeps saying “Laura” instead of “Lara” through the whole game
Also I do genuinely feel like both of the "comp" players refused to target each other basically all game... They even shared information between each other the whole time... it's a little crappy.
Wait so a game where they say you can make any sort of alliances you want and then someone does it is bad?
@@JosePineda-jn8jk When you have two casual players and two comp players; Yea I'd say so.
@@DrkNinja_ I mean prof knows who he is inviting 😆 some people are just too sensitive I guess 🤷🏽♂️
You really think the professor knows less about mtg then 2 gothic girls 😂 any one can call themselves a comp player@DrkNinja_
Ultimately, I don't think it matters whether or not Dr Lupo broke the deal - what matters is that he should never have made it. The Professor had the initiative, and Lup needed to take it back to get into the game. If the Prof decided to keep swinging into Lupo for the initiative, he'd have lost that race as Lupo's board was, at the time, bigger and more evasive. Professor had nothing he could meaningfully offer Lupo in exchange for nonaggression, and would only have hurt himself by continuing to steal the Initiative for value instead of focusing on the sacrifice decks that were triggering each other's synergies
Thank you for the support!
Most excellent, a great video to listen to while working, cant wait for the Behind the Campus video! Also Helldivers 2 is a great game. Very fun.
Yoooo I love Ash. I had a blast playing cookies during the standard season thanks to her
Sorry prof, but the word of the temporary alliance was that DrLupo would not attack you, while the deluge may violate the spirit of the alliance no court would uphold your complaint
Yup!
An attack immunity agreement versus temporary alliance have two distinct meanings. Alliance implies team work for a period of time, so yeah it absolutely was breaking the agreement.
When the comment was made about "Imagine disrespecting your creatures enough to just throw them into the trash," I thought about it. Mono black has a lot of Zombies, Skeletons, and Vampires, so technically the GY is their home and it reminded me of the Happy Gilmore scene where he's yelling at the golf ball to go home.
This video is a great example to new players to not make deals with people that will not honor them
Bring Nile back for another episode, her sass and vicious plays are so entertaining to watch
I now want vids solely dedicated to explaining internet current events to the Prof.
the agreement: "Let's stop attacking each other as of right now."
*gives each creature -6/-6*
"You violated the alliance!"
That is not in the agreement my guy, that was not a violation.
1:01:35 "Shuffle up your hand and play" Oh you mean Brian Kibler's new show?
hadn't heard of Lupo before, but seeing that a friend dragged me back in to magic (after over 20 years) with the Transformers cards (Love my "Ramos in The Skies" themedeck) and I absolutely had the same train of thought as him - must be a cool guy.
Dr. Lupo's Obkea Experience(TM) is exactly why I can't groove with Grixis. I feel like every Grixis deck I make is so desperate to have mana up AND the commander out AND fodder on board. Glad to see it's not just me.
God it hurts to watch sacrifice decks just kill everything every turn. I was so excited to see the upkeep deck 😂
I've known about this series for a while but never watched it because of I'm not personally a fan of watching other people play Magic online because a lot of shows are overproduced or have a bunch of expensive cards being thrown around that it loses that casual charm that I love about Commander. But this series just has the energy of a bunch of friends playing a game together in a basement, with a good mix of optimized and casual play that it doesn't lose that charm for me. It doesn't feel like I'm watching a show, it feels like I'm watching some people just play Commander in the back of an LGS.
DrLupo definitely broke the agreement. Technically speaking, he didnt. But in commander mtg, he did. He ALSO was being bullied after his turn in that one rotation 😂😂 and its banter like this why i love commander in general anf this channel
sure seems like the game was thrown at the end with the wrong target for eaten alive. Other than that, it was not fun watching to people team up against two solo players.
Agree, I was really excited to see a Lara deck being played so I could pick up some ideas for mine but teaming up from the start kinda ruined the game for me :/
Great episode! I loved seeing DrLupo play with prof. definitely have him on the show again!
Tbh that teamplay ruined the match. the rakdos player should have targeted the mono black player too instead of constantly kicking Prof
Hearing “poggers” and “roflstomp” in the same episode was like learning cleopatra lived closer in time to the moon landing than the construction of the great pyramids
it was actually painful watching Lupo and the Professor fight each other. The prof should have let Lupo hit for initiative and stop taking it from him. Lupo should have deluged for 5. They should have stopped swinging at each other as soon as possible ToT
That Diregraf coming in with next to no counters on it is exactly the trap I've fallen into building Gisa myself.
She's a zombie lord, but at the same time, playing zombies kinda feels off when you want to be committing crimes as often as possible.
I'm currently building her more into a crime focused control/disruption deck and ditching some of the less impactful zombies😂
+1/+1 counters are the bonus. You most likely care about his second ability
just dont play trash commanders
Prof, you are the wrost at the art of deals! "[Now that I stole the initiative from you,] let's make a deal to never attack each others!!" Also, Toxic deluge was not a break of your alliance.
TECHNICALLY 🤓: As with all multi-choice cards, Rankle and Torbran choices must go in order, so you would sacrifice first and THEN pick the additional 2 damage. Since mayhem devil triggers go on the stack and wait their turn to resolve it doesn't matter here, but its a tricky rule bit that does pop up occasionally.
Nile is great though, so she probably is aware and just doesn't explain out full stack shenanigans since it is irrelevant here.
yeah, but modal effects are a single object on the stack (700.2b), after it resolves the sacrifices happen and the mayhem devils abilities triggers go on the stack.
Yeah thats what I meant by "They wait their turn" but perhaps it wasn't clear enough. I was pointing out the order is top to bottom per 608.2c. So yes while it doesn't matter here because of how the mayhem devil triggers go on the stack, it DOES matter for say Cryptic Command, so its important to remember you MUST go top to bottom during resolution.
As an recent example that actually happened to me I had a creature with "Your spells cannot be countered". Cryptic command counters, and THEN bounces. So they could not bounce my guy and then counter my spell after he is gone.
Wee bit cringe to say "We know how to do threat assessment" and then send Mayhem Devil triggers at Prof when his board has just been cleared and he's at single digit life... meanwhile the player directly to your right is at 31 and has a commanding board presence lol. And apparently no one else had the presence of mind to notice that as a problem...
You missed the keyword, "WE".
The prof tried to subtly call out their team-play a few times but ultimately gave up instead of causing a scene.
What can you do, some people just can't play fair in a FFA game.
Nile is so good at talking through gameplay! Really helps novices like me.
As a guy who loves the Initiative and dungeon mechanics, I'm so proud of the Professor finally playing with it. Like... he's starting to see how fun it can be.
I am really bummed he didn't get to the Throne Room. I wanna see him make a deck with Initiative play now.
I thought about picking up that dungeon deck a few times.
1:25 Don't worry lupo I thought it was interesting
I always like Shuffle up and play content but this felt like such a throw. Ash and Nile barely touched each other's board until the very end and even then it was very forced. For everyone talking about "threat assessment" it's crazy that nobody mentioned "that Mayham Devil has to go"
Thanks for all you do prof, I can’t afford to play magic and haven’t been able to for a few years but it’s so much fun to watch all your content and play magic vicariously through you and your wonderful friends.
Prof doing the "...electric Boogaloo" killed me. I'm happy someone else uses that joke lmao
Hey, that's Dr. Lupo! He knows how to snipe!
That first minute was like the scene from Tropic Thunder when Jay Baruchel tried to explain Blue-Ray vs. DVD.
I need to know where Nile got that nail polish, her manicure looks fantastic.
Also I'm glad Prof is way more chill about initiative this time, that game with Vince was miserable tbh
Great to see Dr. Lupo on here. Its like all of my favorite people in one place.
Prof, you should do an episode where everyone builds an EDH deck where the Commander is from Homelands. (I did with my friends, and trying to keep a pre-2000's card pool, and was very funny).
I got a Joven control deck. It's uses modern cards. Homelands is my favorite set.
Omg Ashlizzle on the show thats awesome glad to see her pop up on this and GK live
Besties assemble
I'm here for the "Dr Lupo got bullied" comments, is that line forming over here or am i in the wrong spot? Haha this was a fun one!
I can't wait for the next shuffle up and play. All my favorite streamers playing commander. It is the dream! Love you all!
I agree with the Professor that toxic deluge for 6 made Dr lupo and him lose the game. Dr lupo should have made a deal he toxic deluges for 5 intrude for a free hit with Obeka.
Them letting nile controll the game lost them the game
That's a good point.
Loving the new animations, like the additional upkeeps from Obeka moving to after combat
-5/-5 wouldn't have been violating the alliance, but -6/-6 definitely was.
Lara Croft has access to blue and the professor didn't even use ONE COUNTERSPELL...
Just saying how suspicious that is. I'm sure bad deck probably had access to counterspells.
and then nile boardwiping him just after saying she wouldnt touch him, he just got f** , that's why you don't politic in commander :D
Heck of a topdeck to win the game. Fun ending, great banter from the players!
Oke! I'm going to watch this while travelling!
Those Mayhem Devil triggers couldn't target Prof's stuff, they have Hexproof. What? Oh I see all the damn stack stacking. Makes sense now.
I'm pretty sure the game shouldn't have ended that way because of rule 608.2c: Rankle and Torbran would have caused each player to sacrifice a creature before the final ability, causing the 4 mayhem devil triggers to only deal a combined 4 damage rather than 12.
608.2c "The controller of the spell or ability follows its instructions in the order written."
Does the OG rankles abilities have to be resolved from top to bottom aswell then? Cuz if so I've just realised I got cheated in my lgs 2 years ago🤣
This is not correct - all the choices are part of one triggered ability. This means that all modes chosen are resolved before the Mayhem Devil triggers, so they still gain the extra damage
@@unraveki Yes they do, and if I were to guess you were told to draw a card then immediately discard it, if you have no cards in hand Rankle would make you discard your nothing then draw a card in that order.
They resolve in the order written but the ability is a single object on the stack (700.2b) The creatures get sacrficed after it resolves, the sacrifice triggers the mayhem devils ability.