Tbh I'd be perfectly fine with it if Disney became bankrupt or something in 12 hours, the golden age of Disney has been over for quite a while and Disney is hardly even like what it was made to be (it's even to be point it's bordering on hypocrisy if you take into account the intentions of the founder of Disney)
No, this is still a theory: A. It hasn't been proven that Disney did all of this intentionally out of spite, it just as easily could have been the writers finding themselves lost in a rut after a few bad decisions. B. It all starts with a hypothesis about Disney intentionally sabotaging the X-Men and the history lesson is the supporting evidence. I feel like people like you just don't get what a theory is.
Lee I have to say this is now my favorite film theory. You have really stepped up to the plate and taken on the big issues like Disney doing things like this. Thank you for saying what NEEDS to be said and also explaining WHY people should care. Keep doing incredible ❤
Magneto’s backstory was that he was a Jewish boy who was sent to a death camp during the Holocaust, where his entire family was killed. This formed the background for what he believes and why he acts the way he does.
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Honestly, I've always preferred the X-men as their own thing than part of the larger Marvel Universe. It just makes more sense and the roster is large enough that it could be its own thing (as the 2000s movies and most of the animated series show).
If they were handled better and more consistently, then they probably could've been big enough to be their own franchise for years to come. At least we have X-men 97
It's funny that Disney tried to completely distance themselves from X-men because it was oned by a rival studio, but they didn't really do that with Spider-Man (and Hulk I guess). I guess Spider-Man is too big of a cash cow to mess with.
They tried with Spider-Man at first, mainly by not having him being the face of the company anymore, however they owned the rights for the animated shows so they had nothing to loose and went back to push him as if nothing ever happened
If I remember correctly, I still find it funny that Stan Lee created the X-Men because he was sick and tired to come up with origin stories for each character, so what did Stan do? BAM!!! Mutants and that's it 😂
This is not a theory, this is just a history lesson which comic fans have known for quite a while. It's still funny how Disney fixed everything they ruined with the mutants the moment they got their hands on them. Disney didn't hate the X-Men. They just hated that such a valuable IP was owned by a rival studio.
@@dgray7537 The theory channels have always had a mix of theories and lore/history lessons (which ultimately just the evidence proving the hypothesis, aka, components of a theory,) I just can't agree with your assertion
the one notable counterish point was that deadpool whom mostly was associated with x-men was kept more or less relevant in other media and remained more or less relevant in the 2010s even when the x-men were sidelined
I was wondering when Film Theory would tackle this topic. I mean, Bob covered this YEARS ago on either "In Bob We Trust" or "The Big Picture" (I forget which) and as a guest writer, it just makes sense that Team Theorist would cover this topic. And this week is the PERFECT time for it.
@@pokegardCause of the marvel vs capcom fighting collection announcement this week on the Nintendo direct, most of the games in it heavily focus on the X-Men
In honor of A Quiet Place: Day 1 coming out soon, it would be amazing if you guys did a theory on how loud you have to get before one of the aliens hears you.
That mentality is what lead to Wonder Woman '84, Rebel Moon, and the Star Wars Prequels. We don't need to kick the producers out and promote the creatives; we need to foster a balance between the two.
@@josephhenderson2538 Those are the results of letting a single creative go unchecked, there are non shareholder options to do that. Like producers, or just not having the writer and director be the same person.
The corporation, by law, must do all it can to benefit it's shareholders. They can literally be sued if they don't. It creates the perverse incentives we see where companies to absolutely anything they think will benefit their shareholders the most, because they must. The issue are the laws around corporations. The executives can still make bad decisions, but they will make ones that may hurt us, because they have no legal duty to us or anyone else, only the shareholders.
Disney: "We wAnT TO mAKe RepEseNTaTiOn iN mEDiA" X-Mem: *being a metaphorical story about protected groups fighting for their rights* Disney: "I don't want X-Men to be successful"
Remember how people kept saying that they purposely kept ruing, (not for them) these franchises yet didn’t connect dots when they said, “they made X thing worse” (not for me). “Companies don’t know what they’re doing”, No they sadly do.
It's so true with the merch. At Deadpool and wolverine midnight release pretty much everyone was wearing a Deadpool t-shirt and basically no one was wearing a t-shirt to do with wolverine.
"Some of their characters are... less recognizable." *Picture of Forget-Me-Not flashes briefly across the screen.* Hey, I saw what you did there, and your writers are still top-notch and brilliant.
Donald the Duck: Why don't you show some respect,mutie? You're looking at the Mouse who wiped out your kind. Mickey the Mouse: My friend Donald overstates.He makes it sound more brutal than intended. The goal was not to end the mutant kind, but to control it. Logan: Making Inhumans of your own?
I 've often heard fans complian about how Marvel writers like to torture Spiderman. Considering that it's Sony that owns the Spiderman film franchise, and not Disney, I now wonder how much of this torture is just normal and how much of it is encouraged by Disney.
@@Michealmewers His Godzilla x Kong theory just didn't sit right with me. It felt flawed and innacurate, as if not enough attention was given to the movie when watching it. All this to say, me too
@@dewey_montana I've also noticed that viewership on all the channels is dropping. That's not a good thing, only time any of them get at least a million it's game theory, and even then it's not much a million at least
Because much like Disney, you don't want people you don't like to be able to use characters you like. Just because the video has Disney as a focal point doesn't mean that fans with your mindset aren't the reason this was allowed to go on to begin with. You guys also refuse to accept new takes and new content. For everything good the fans have done, we have also played our part in making this mess and people need to acknowledge how lazy and short sided as we were
Being someone that's collected X-men comics since the mid 80s I've witnessed Disney's attempts at destroying the X-men first hand, especially thru the comics and it's been so frustrating. Now that they own these characters I see the pathetic attempt to rectify their damage.
I appreciate Lee going over this serious topic, and giving more details I didn’t know/ realize about the X-Men treatment during the 2010s. Keeping going Lee!
You know, when I first watched the X-men animated tv show, I looked at my father and said, “I really like morph, he’s cool,”. My father just looked at me after that, with pain in his eyes. R.I.P Morph.
Morph's always been interesting to me. They were the show's OC, they were killed off immediately, then they were brought back, but not really as a member of the team, then they were, and now they're...a knockoff of Spider-Man's Chameleon? I feel for them the most because it really feels like no one knows what to do with them! An outcast among outcasts!
@@TF2Fan101 I was so sad to see Wander Over Yonder and Tron Uprising go. Both of them were so good. I wasn't as into motor city, but I was watching and it seemed like they were starting to lay some good groundwork for the story, then suddenly it was gone before anything happened with that.
if all of Disney banning X-Men's merch is real, that could explain why Marvel vs Capcom Infinity didn't get to star the X-Men only to push MCU characters and also why only now MvC games are surging from their graveyard in the latest Nintendo Direct
Honestly the worst part about that was they kinda lied that the X-Men would appear later as DLC. Granted, I only said "kinda" because the game did pretty poor in sales so any future plans for that game were scrapped, so we'll never know if that was ever gonna hold true.
@@kongk4 I'd like to give Capcom the benefit of the doubt that they were working behind the scenes to try to convince Marvel to let them use X-men characters, but that it just wasn't going to happen until after Marvel crushed Fox
@@robertstull8759 I mean the "lie" was from Feige IIRC, and his statement about it was probably the first hint of Disney's Fox acquisition, which was properly announced three months after Infinite's release. So maybe they were hopeful to release them as DLC in 2019. But to me that... is pretty unrealistic, even if Infinite did great in sales, the budget and return investment were mostly going towards the licensing. It would've had to outdo Capcom's Monster Hunter series to commit for that long.
1:33 Ideally I'd love to have Gambit's kinetic powers. In actuality my current mutant power is that my chest hair already grows in the shape of the X-men X so I just wouldn't need to wear the suit I guess.
Oddly enough, mutants could be the answer that Disney/Marvel Studios needed to get "Blade" out of its developmental funk. It's not that tough -- Blade finds vampires, he fights them, he ends them, and moves on. But... what if there were a REALLY old vampire? And.. what if said vampire were a mutant? One exists -- her name is Selene. Just have the Daywalker deal with Selene and her army. This movie would be the bridge between the Midnight Suns (you know they're gonna make a movie with them) and the X-Men.
The theory channels' viewers are known to watch videos on a large range of topics they might not already know about. Like me. I didn't know any of this. So it's perfect for that section of the audience
0:21 I know he's not listed under editors for this episode, but did Lee himself edit the first little bit of the episode? It feels like his style to me, the flow!
I had been wondering about the decline of XMen and all that...and this video has been super helpful to understand what's been going on. Thank you for another great, insightful video!
Hi!!! I thought in honor of the new A Quiet Place movie coming out, maybe you guys could make a theory about how loud you have to be in a quiet place before one of the aliens hears you.
I actually noticed that the Inhumans were doing more X-men type plots in those years but I had no idea that Disney was actively pushing it! Thanks for the info!
Great video! Only thing I have is that Ms. Marvel Kamala Khan had her comic cancelled, revived, and canceled 5 times cause she was so unpopular. Her show also didn't have very many viewers as well so she wasn't a smash hit. Yeah good rating, but if only 1,000 people watch it and 85% it is good that's not as good as 1Mil people watching and saying it's 85% good.
But this wasn’t a Disney directive, it was Ike perlmutter. You even said it in the video, so I’m so confused why you kept saying it was Disney when it was really marvel themselves.
This is an example of what's called the Fandumb Menace. Fans will see things from a twisted Nostalgia that their version of the thing is perfect or any changes are Heretical and thus try to blame it on everything they view as bad, from more women and POC characters to changes in franchise direction, the Fandumb has always got its Rose-tinted Nostalgia Goggles applied so tightly to their faces they might as well be blind. Fox also contributed to the issues by pumping out subpar X men films that did not do well except for Logan and that was because it was adapting a REALLY good story.
1:45 my superpower would be the ability to make small inconveniences for example I could make it so your eye would twitch or become vaguely blurry for no reason, sneeze in super inconvenient moments, cause you to step on a Lego brick in places where there should not be Lego bricks, get stuck in traffic even if you're flying, swimming, or traveling in any other way, and probably my most powerful move of all... Stubbing your toe and then just before it fully heals stubbing it again
Ok, the idea of the last 2 episodes are directly connected to what's happening in our world. Explaining how wars work and what war crimes is an obvious one, I did'nt realize this one until you showed the barrier then it clicked. I appreciate how you try to make us aware of this without directly telling us, which is kinda of the point of this channel, to figure things out, to uncover the truth. And the fact you always come so close to actually spilling out what your referring shows how you actually care. Thank you
My mutant power would likely be slowing down time at will. it's like quicksilvers ability, but the world slows when I use my abilities, fitting my lazy attitude, willing too take things slowly.
@nimzi4479 i said "can be." And both can be true. The saboteur could be the extremely toxic fan they aren't mutually exclusive. Personally, i think disney needs to start over and jump so far ahead in the timeline that the material we currently have are now myths and legends.
People are saying that since X-men ‘97 did so good they should revive the 90s Spider-man show. But you what, I say they should revive Wolverine and the X-men.
If their going to revive another X-Men series, I hope they do X-Men Evolution. That was the show I grew up. Also, they need to bring back Spectacular Spider-Man.
personally i feel it's redundant after watching 97. I say this as 97 feels like in it's DNA witholds all prior x-men shows in some form of capacity with how the show is paced, concept they present etc. the original show sacrificed a bit of character for stronger payoff whilst evolution was the opposite, 97 does both and executes it phenomally and wolverine and x-men has concepts such as genosha being a paradise and later we will see emma frost take charge and become an x-men herself
Y'all are way behind the curve on this. Anyone that was paying attention during the last decade already knew that studio politics was destroying X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Spider-Man. The blame is not all on Disney. Fox and Sony deserve just as much blame, because they were constantly pushing out garbage movies just to maintain their hold on those properties, while refusing to sell them back to Marvel, where they belonged. Sony is still doing this with the side Spider-Man characters. That's why I was so glad Disney bought Fox to put an end to some of this nonsense. Now Marvel will be happy to include X-Men and Fantastic Four in anything they can. Now they will bring them back. Saying that we should be worried about what they do with them next is just because you want to hate on Disney when, in reality, now that they are back under Marvel's control, Marvel will do them right. I mean, we've already seen evidence of that with X-Men 97.
My dream mutant power would be making dreams come to life, like being able to dream up an image and pull it straight out of my mind and use it however I see fit! Awesome! Good job on this video and definitely for sure I would say the worst thing that Disney did in this situation was mess with the Maximoff family! That truly drove me bonkers! Glad to know they changed it back but doing it in the first place was a huge mistake! Always got to be careful of those corporate influences! Keep up the great work!
Can we just like….punch Disney? I’m sorry but seriously, CAN WE?? I am disgusted and frustrated, and this gives me even more self righteous joy that I use someone else’s Disney plus password and support independent creators Every time I sign into the Disney plus I get slightly annoyed at how bad their UI is and disappointed at how limited the selection feels (and that’s saying a lot considering how FRIGGIN MUCH there is on Disney plus). But I keep doing it because it’s my small way of lifting an enormous 🖕to Disney. See, this is why I prefer smaller creators like Vivsiepop because her stories aren’t being ruined by business politics on the back end. What Disney has turned into is flat out disgusting
6:10 The placement between the avenger's nfinty war and end game saved Captain Marvel movie from obscurity. Just look how the Marvel's sequel of captain marvel did without the avenger's help. Also, your not going to touch how many number ones that Ms. Marvel comics series the character had?
👿 What would your mutant power be?
Rizz😊
Idk
Being able to make people oil up
freak
Transforming into anything I stare at for seven hours straight.
Disney has the same energy as the angry spoiled little sibling who can’t share, and would rather break something than give it to someone else
Tbh I'd be perfectly fine with it if Disney became bankrupt or something in 12 hours, the golden age of Disney has been over for quite a while and Disney is hardly even like what it was made to be (it's even to be point it's bordering on hypocrisy if you take into account the intentions of the founder of Disney)
I believe you're describing the cutthroat world of business there
@@christianwhite8877same
Really thank Ryan giving Fox heroes a second chance
I love how this weeks video isn't a theory, it's sort of a mini video essay on what happened to the x-men as of late
But you can go literally anywhere else for that kind of content.
It‘s not even a good essay if I have to be honest.
There’s a lot of this video that is just factually wrong too. Like, who did the research for the video?
No, this is still a theory: A. It hasn't been proven that Disney did all of this intentionally out of spite, it just as easily could have been the writers finding themselves lost in a rut after a few bad decisions. B. It all starts with a hypothesis about Disney intentionally sabotaging the X-Men and the history lesson is the supporting evidence. I feel like people like you just don't get what a theory is.
Been like that since mat pat left, no theories just a bunch of recaps
@@homerman76 true
"Disney is the biggest villain of X-Men"
Meanwhile the Justice League: first time??
I mean, the X-Men case was active sabotage, DC just suffered from bad film makers.
to quote Scarlet witch
"No More Mutants"
literally describes Disney to X-Men
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House of D, in this reality all of your favorite movie characters are real, they're just controlled by Disney international
Scarlet Perlmutter.
EXCEPT nO MORE MUTANTS WAS 2005, disney didnt buy marvel until 2009, 4 years later. In fact marvel did the entire inhuman swtich up BEFORE disney
*disapproved
6:28 The fact that the x men and fantastic 4 were huge parts of Lego marvel superheroes 1 but were no where in the sequel is just infuriating
And the Fantastic Four never had any official Legos (outside of the one Dr Doom Minifigure from Ultimate Spider-Man)
@@CaptainCat101 one thing that’s a huge missed opportunity is selling tie in sets for Lego video games
Lee I have to say this is now my favorite film theory. You have really stepped up to the plate and taken on the big issues like Disney doing things like this. Thank you for saying what NEEDS to be said and also explaining WHY people should care. Keep doing incredible ❤
Magneto’s backstory was that he was a Jewish boy who was sent to a death camp during the Holocaust, where his entire family was killed. This formed the background for what he believes and why he acts the way he does.
That his x-gene responded to his cultural desire to gather gold/sheckels to himself and control things?
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The X-Men were so big at their peak, they may as well have been their own brand seperate from Marvel.
Honestly, I've always preferred the X-men as their own thing than part of the larger Marvel Universe. It just makes more sense and the roster is large enough that it could be its own thing (as the 2000s movies and most of the animated series show).
In the 80´s The X-Men sales were better than any other Marvel AND DC comic
When I was a kid I thought they were a separate brand
If they were handled better and more consistently, then they probably could've been big enough to be their own franchise for years to come.
At least we have X-men 97
It's funny that Disney tried to completely distance themselves from X-men because it was oned by a rival studio, but they didn't really do that with Spider-Man (and Hulk I guess). I guess Spider-Man is too big of a cash cow to mess with.
They tried with Spider-Man at first, mainly by not having him being the face of the company anymore, however they owned the rights for the animated shows so they had nothing to loose and went back to push him as if nothing ever happened
If I remember correctly, I still find it funny that Stan Lee created the X-Men because he was sick and tired to come up with origin stories for each character, so what did Stan do? BAM!!! Mutants and that's it 😂
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The Inhumans where not ripoffs of the X-Men until Disney. Half of the similarities came after the X-Men Purge.
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And then the X-Men ripped off the Inhumans with zionist undertones.
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Bro I know. I was just watching the animated shows with them at the time, like Avengers Assembled and I kinda liked them in that show.
Disney trying to completely get rid of the X-Men is, ironically enough, lore accurate to how the mutants are treated in-universe.
This is not a theory, this is just a history lesson which comic fans have known for quite a while. It's still funny how Disney fixed everything they ruined with the mutants the moment they got their hands on them.
Disney didn't hate the X-Men. They just hated that such a valuable IP was owned by a rival studio.
It's a garbage video cynically aimed at the dumb right-wing incel crowd.
I have a theory that these theorist channels are going in a new direction and it isn't just about the host.
@@dgray7537 The theory channels have always had a mix of theories and lore/history lessons (which ultimately just the evidence proving the hypothesis, aka, components of a theory,) I just can't agree with your assertion
And yet they didn't do the same thing with Spider-Man. Ironically, Sony is doing more damage
the one notable counterish point was that deadpool whom mostly was associated with x-men was kept more or less relevant in other media and remained more or less relevant in the 2010s even when the x-men were sidelined
I was wondering when Film Theory would tackle this topic. I mean, Bob covered this YEARS ago on either "In Bob We Trust" or "The Big Picture" (I forget which) and as a guest writer, it just makes sense that Team Theorist would cover this topic.
And this week is the PERFECT time for it.
Don't read my name
Why is this week perfect?
@@pokegardCause of the marvel vs capcom fighting collection announcement this week on the Nintendo direct, most of the games in it heavily focus on the X-Men
@@zombombhuntermcoc3342good to know, and okay/thank you for clarifying
whos a guest writer of what
In honor of A Quiet Place: Day 1 coming out soon, it would be amazing if you guys did a theory on how loud you have to get before one of the aliens hears you.
They alredy did one! :)
NO WAY!!! I COULD NEVER BELIEVE THAT DISNEY IS AS PETTY AS REVERSE FLASH!!! HOW COULD THEY BE!?!?!?
Disney is missing one key factor before they can be Reverse Flash: they're too straight
“It was me Gambit. I was the one that gave you the Paul treatment.”
No one should ever be Reverse Flash levels of petty. Shame on you Disney.
I am always one step ahead!
How didn't you know this?
Shareholders should NEVER be allowed a single finger on the steering wheel of creative meetings.
That would be illegal look it up
That mentality is what lead to Wonder Woman '84, Rebel Moon, and the Star Wars Prequels. We don't need to kick the producers out and promote the creatives; we need to foster a balance between the two.
@@josephhenderson2538 Those are the results of letting a single creative go unchecked, there are non shareholder options to do that. Like producers, or just not having the writer and director be the same person.
Thats what they doin at disney.... Their shareholders leaving one by one
The corporation, by law, must do all it can to benefit it's shareholders. They can literally be sued if they don't. It creates the perverse incentives we see where companies to absolutely anything they think will benefit their shareholders the most, because they must.
The issue are the laws around corporations. The executives can still make bad decisions, but they will make ones that may hurt us, because they have no legal duty to us or anyone else, only the shareholders.
Disney: "We wAnT TO mAKe RepEseNTaTiOn iN mEDiA"
X-Mem: *being a metaphorical story about protected groups fighting for their rights*
Disney: "I don't want X-Men to be successful"
"To me, My Theorists"
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@@HobbCap I see the Prime Sentinels have already been activated💀
*Reads Title*
Me: “Yeah, most works of fiction should be.”
Disney will ruin X-Men too. That is for sure.
Just people i general should fear Disney.😂 Disney would control the planet if they could 😂😂
Remember how people kept saying that they purposely kept ruing, (not for them) these franchises yet didn’t connect dots when they said, “they made X thing worse” (not for me). “Companies don’t know what they’re doing”, No they sadly do.
@@technician0096 They want to be Buy N Large
@@JB-1138they didn’t ruin X-Men ‘97
It's so true with the merch. At Deadpool and wolverine midnight release pretty much everyone was wearing a Deadpool t-shirt and basically no one was wearing a t-shirt to do with wolverine.
"Some of their characters are... less recognizable."
*Picture of Forget-Me-Not flashes briefly across the screen.*
Hey, I saw what you did there, and your writers are still top-notch and brilliant.
Oh, man i missed that! (goes back to watch it again)
Oh, there it is. (Reads comments again) Oh man i missed that! (and the loop goes on...)
I noticed that too. That was amazing! 😂
Donald the Duck: Why don't you show some respect,mutie?
You're looking at the Mouse who wiped out your kind.
Mickey the Mouse: My friend Donald overstates.He makes it sound more brutal than intended.
The goal was not to end the mutant kind, but to control it.
Logan: Making Inhumans of your own?
The real X-men's were the friends we made along the way
After what happened with the sequel Trilogy in Star Wars I'd be surprised if there was a franchise out there that wasn't afraid of Disney
I 've often heard fans complian about how Marvel writers like to torture Spiderman. Considering that it's Sony that owns the Spiderman film franchise, and not Disney, I now wonder how much of this torture is just normal and how much of it is encouraged by Disney.
This would also explain why Spider-man hasn't been allowed to be happy in the comics for the last 15 years
Fair point, however counter argument: Spiderman is never allowed to be happy in the comics or anywhere.😢
A fellow fan calls this Peter Parker's luck.
@@KrisRN23935 this extends to fans, as every series he stars in ends abruptly and horribly
No actually they just hire writers who hate him and gis fans
Nah, that has always been mostly the case, he has never been happy ever since created for more than some issues to then take all of him away
He's been living up to matpats Legacy 👏
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By the way ikr 😝
I...I don't know. I'm still on the fence
@@Michealmewers His Godzilla x Kong theory just didn't sit right with me. It felt flawed and innacurate, as if not enough attention was given to the movie when watching it. All this to say, me too
@@dewey_montana I've also noticed that viewership on all the channels is dropping. That's not a good thing, only time any of them get at least a million it's game theory, and even then it's not much a million at least
I remember when people really wanted the X-Men in the MCU…nowadays they want them far away cuz people don’t want them to be ruined
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Because much like Disney, you don't want people you don't like to be able to use characters you like.
Just because the video has Disney as a focal point doesn't mean that fans with your mindset aren't the reason this was allowed to go on to begin with. You guys also refuse to accept new takes and new content. For everything good the fans have done, we have also played our part in making this mess and people need to acknowledge how lazy and short sided as we were
@@dogleggedhades0
Oh, this is an interesting point 🤔
To be fair, the last movies with Fox weren't that good. The last good one was Logan.
7:10 You left out a big detail. Disney OWNS 21st Century Fox and its assets. And this has been since 2019.
He did
That was just later in the video
Being someone that's collected X-men comics since the mid 80s I've witnessed Disney's attempts at destroying the X-men first hand, especially thru the comics and it's been so frustrating. Now that they own these characters I see the pathetic attempt to rectify their damage.
The X-Men were great in the ‘80s.
I appreciate Lee going over this serious topic, and giving more details I didn’t know/ realize about the X-Men treatment during the 2010s. Keeping going Lee!
So this is why I wasn't exposed to such an amazing thing when I was younger
You know, when I first watched the X-men animated tv show, I looked at my father and said, “I really like morph, he’s cool,”. My father just looked at me after that, with pain in his eyes. R.I.P Morph.
First time it was broadcast I had a similar thought.
One of the few from my youth I still remember, for it didn't shy away from the 'darker' side.
Morph's always been interesting to me. They were the show's OC, they were killed off immediately, then they were brought back, but not really as a member of the team, then they were, and now they're...a knockoff of Spider-Man's Chameleon? I feel for them the most because it really feels like no one knows what to do with them! An outcast among outcasts!
Disney absolutely tanking a show that was going well? They’ve never done that before!
Another reason to boycott them
TRON Uprising, Motor City, Wander Over Yonder.
There’s probably more, but those are the ones that hurt the most.
@@ArtemisAYOgood luck boycotting a company like Disney
@@TF2Fan101most recently, doctor who
@@TF2Fan101 I was so sad to see Wander Over Yonder and Tron Uprising go. Both of them were so good. I wasn't as into motor city, but I was watching and it seemed like they were starting to lay some good groundwork for the story, then suddenly it was gone before anything happened with that.
if all of Disney banning X-Men's merch is real, that could explain why Marvel vs Capcom Infinity didn't get to star the X-Men only to push MCU characters and also why only now MvC games are surging from their graveyard in the latest Nintendo Direct
That's 100% what happened.
Yeah... It was an open secret during it's entire, very short lifespan
Honestly the worst part about that was they kinda lied that the X-Men would appear later as DLC. Granted, I only said "kinda" because the game did pretty poor in sales so any future plans for that game were scrapped, so we'll never know if that was ever gonna hold true.
@@kongk4 I'd like to give Capcom the benefit of the doubt that they were working behind the scenes to try to convince Marvel to let them use X-men characters, but that it just wasn't going to happen until after Marvel crushed Fox
@@robertstull8759 I mean the "lie" was from Feige IIRC, and his statement about it was probably the first hint of Disney's Fox acquisition, which was properly announced three months after Infinite's release. So maybe they were hopeful to release them as DLC in 2019.
But to me that... is pretty unrealistic, even if Infinite did great in sales, the budget and return investment were mostly going towards the licensing. It would've had to outdo Capcom's Monster Hunter series to commit for that long.
1:29 The power to control problems
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My power is to cause them
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My mutation is that whenever I tell a lie, I have a very high chance of that lie will come true, but someone has to believe the lie
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Ideally I'd love to have Gambit's kinetic powers.
In actuality my current mutant power is that my chest hair already grows in the shape of the X-men X so I just wouldn't need to wear the suit I guess.
I think Lee is doing a great job of being a host 👍
12:05 you can't fool me! That's just Civil War with a new texture pack
Justice For ForgetMeNot
Justice for who?
The goa..... who
Oh…. that guy..?
Who?
Who's that? I can't seem to remember.
To be fair, everyone should fear Disney
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Your breathing is now a conscious activity!"
When discord gives you notifications faster than RUclips 😅
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Oddly enough, mutants could be the answer that Disney/Marvel Studios needed to get "Blade" out of its developmental funk.
It's not that tough -- Blade finds vampires, he fights them, he ends them, and moves on. But... what if there were a REALLY old vampire? And.. what if said vampire were a mutant?
One exists -- her name is Selene.
Just have the Daywalker deal with Selene and her army. This movie would be the bridge between the Midnight Suns (you know they're gonna make a movie with them) and the X-Men.
That would work
Is it just me or has it been a while since I last saw a film theory.
This isn’t a theory, it’s just a history lesson. Everybody who has any kind of behind the scenes knowledge on movies and/or comics already knows this.
So? I don't inhale Marvel and learned a lot. Also, I appreciated the messaging at the end of the video.
@@Tatman2TheResQ it's more like if you were an xmen fan you were pretty much aware of this and disney's creep moves against them.
@@feuryie Isn't that basically what I said...?
The theory channels' viewers are known to watch videos on a large range of topics they might not already know about. Like me. I didn't know any of this. So it's perfect for that section of the audience
I came here for this comment. How is it a theory? It’s history.
0:21 I know he's not listed under editors for this episode, but did Lee himself edit the first little bit of the episode? It feels like his style to me, the flow!
I find it crazy how Matpat ran 4 full time RUclips channels
I had been wondering about the decline of XMen and all that...and this video has been super helpful to understand what's been going on. Thank you for another great, insightful video!
18:38 Lee is on the offense. Hopefully Disney doesn't get a temper tantrum and attempts to sue for defamation.
Disney? The villain? Nooooo, impossible!
18:30 For some reason I never expected this channel to say something like this
Reality can be harsh, and that's the unfortunate truth in life, not just media
The cat that walks through walls.
Kitty Pryde and Wolverine was my favorite limited series
Hi!!! I thought in honor of the new A Quiet Place movie coming out, maybe you guys could make a theory about how loud you have to be in a quiet place before one of the aliens hears you.
6:48 I love that the name of the movie was 'Spaceballs'
Classic movie
Mel Brooks movies are fantastic.
If you've never seen it, you should. A beautiful send-up of _Star Wars_ and other space opera movies that still holds up today.
I was to young to read or to understand emotions, but X-Men was having a safe place for me when I was growing up
breathing underwater with feet that looks like fish tails and gills
I actually noticed that the Inhumans were doing more X-men type plots in those years but I had no idea that Disney was actively pushing it! Thanks for the info!
Great video! Only thing I have is that Ms. Marvel Kamala Khan had her comic cancelled, revived, and canceled 5 times cause she was so unpopular. Her show also didn't have very many viewers as well so she wasn't a smash hit. Yeah good rating, but if only 1,000 people watch it and 85% it is good that's not as good as 1Mil people watching and saying it's 85% good.
Disney buys a company/studio and runs their franchises into the ground? I’m shocked!
(Heavy sarcasm)
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It’s become a normal Tuesday for them
@@Kanyewestbiggestfan123more like an hourly occurrence
@@akumaking1 probably happens every minute
Yeah, poor New Horizon Interactive...
YOOOOO film theory was on a crusade against disney with this video. BRAVO 👏 👏 👏 I really enjoyed this episode.
15:37 I agree with on all the levels they did not execute the X-men name properly with Wanda just killing them like that 😭🙏
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Film Theory Idea: Batman Analog Horror by Siltrics.
Me screaming like a banshee because my favorite childhood show „X-Men: Evolution“ was shown for 1 second. 😂 (1:47)
90s X-Men was my life
But this wasn’t a Disney directive, it was Ike perlmutter. You even said it in the video, so I’m so confused why you kept saying it was Disney when it was really marvel themselves.
Oh.
This is an example of what's called the Fandumb Menace. Fans will see things from a twisted Nostalgia that their version of the thing is perfect or any changes are Heretical and thus try to blame it on everything they view as bad, from more women and POC characters to changes in franchise direction, the Fandumb has always got its Rose-tinted Nostalgia Goggles applied so tightly to their faces they might as well be blind. Fox also contributed to the issues by pumping out subpar X men films that did not do well except for Logan and that was because it was adapting a REALLY good story.
It's called echo chamber click bait.
1:45 my superpower would be the ability to make small inconveniences for example I could make it so your eye would twitch or become vaguely blurry for no reason, sneeze in super inconvenient moments, cause you to step on a Lego brick in places where there should not be Lego bricks, get stuck in traffic even if you're flying, swimming, or traveling in any other way, and probably my most powerful move of all... Stubbing your toe and then just before it fully heals stubbing it again
Defiantly being able to make all my enemies fall asleep or being able to track the nearest candy
Whats your superpower?
I can find lore anywhere
Ok then check out this kids show
LOOORE
The war of the fourth wall breakers… Disney vs Deadpool
Ok, the idea of the last 2 episodes are directly connected to what's happening in our world.
Explaining how wars work and what war crimes is an obvious one, I did'nt realize this one until you showed the barrier then it clicked.
I appreciate how you try to make us aware of this without directly telling us, which is kinda of the point of this channel, to figure things out, to uncover the truth.
And the fact you always come so close to actually spilling out what your referring shows how you actually care.
Thank you
My mutant power would likely be slowing down time at will. it's like quicksilvers ability, but the world slows when I use my abilities, fitting my lazy attitude, willing too take things slowly.
Deadpool better be addressing this stuff in his next movie.
5:08 We're in phase 5. Phase 4 ended with wakanda forever
Professor X was in Dr. Strange 2, which was a part of Phase 4, but yes the former two characters weren't in phase four
YES AN X-MEN EPISODE
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The only time the inhumans were done correctly was Agents of Shield.
"It's Greedy, It's Hollow, It's Transparent..." It's Disney
Disney's doing the same thing to Star Wars,but all you're gonna hear is "the Fandom is toxic".
It is toxic to dislike wet garbage
I would say both is true. Disney is killing their own franchises, but the fan base can be extremely toxic
@@Drako2577 you have a greater chance of running into a. Disney saboteur worker than a toxic fan.
@nimzi4479 i said "can be." And both can be true. The saboteur could be the extremely toxic fan they aren't mutually exclusive. Personally, i think disney needs to start over and jump so far ahead in the timeline that the material we currently have are now myths and legends.
@@Drako2577 if you've seen how they've been writing Star wars,you can tell they aren't fans.
People are saying that since X-men ‘97 did so good they should revive the 90s Spider-man show. But you what, I say they should revive Wolverine and the X-men.
That show was great, but i say Spectacular Spiderman deserves it the most
If their going to revive another X-Men series, I hope they do X-Men Evolution. That was the show I grew up. Also, they need to bring back Spectacular Spider-Man.
They Should Permanently Get The Streaming Rights
As Well As All Non-MCU Movies And TV Show
There's a lot of Marvel cartoons that should be brought back.
personally i feel it's redundant after watching 97. I say this as 97 feels like in it's DNA witholds all prior x-men shows in some form of capacity with how the show is paced, concept they present etc. the original show sacrificed a bit of character for stronger payoff whilst evolution was the opposite, 97 does both and executes it phenomally and wolverine and x-men has concepts such as genosha being a paradise and later we will see emma frost take charge and become an x-men herself
Bruh your voice is so comforting to listen to
even logan misses matpat *laughing*
Y'all are way behind the curve on this. Anyone that was paying attention during the last decade already knew that studio politics was destroying X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Spider-Man. The blame is not all on Disney. Fox and Sony deserve just as much blame, because they were constantly pushing out garbage movies just to maintain their hold on those properties, while refusing to sell them back to Marvel, where they belonged. Sony is still doing this with the side Spider-Man characters. That's why I was so glad Disney bought Fox to put an end to some of this nonsense. Now Marvel will be happy to include X-Men and Fantastic Four in anything they can. Now they will bring them back. Saying that we should be worried about what they do with them next is just because you want to hate on Disney when, in reality, now that they are back under Marvel's control, Marvel will do them right. I mean, we've already seen evidence of that with X-Men 97.
Keep up the good work
I love that scary movie is number 7 of best movies of the 2000's🤣🤣 3:49
My dream mutant power would be making dreams come to life, like being able to dream up an image and pull it straight out of my mind and use it however I see fit! Awesome! Good job on this video and definitely for sure I would say the worst thing that Disney did in this situation was mess with the Maximoff family! That truly drove me bonkers! Glad to know they changed it back but doing it in the first place was a huge mistake! Always got to be careful of those corporate influences! Keep up the great work!
Saw the whole vid, it was great
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If I had a mutant power I would want an infinite pocket
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Can we just like….punch Disney? I’m sorry but seriously, CAN WE?? I am disgusted and frustrated, and this gives me even more self righteous joy that I use someone else’s Disney plus password and support independent creators
Every time I sign into the Disney plus I get slightly annoyed at how bad their UI is and disappointed at how limited the selection feels (and that’s saying a lot considering how FRIGGIN MUCH there is on Disney plus). But I keep doing it because it’s my small way of lifting an enormous 🖕to Disney. See, this is why I prefer smaller creators like Vivsiepop because her stories aren’t being ruined by business politics on the back end. What Disney has turned into is flat out disgusting
literally just being an unnecessarily good artist that’s my power
6:10 The placement between the avenger's nfinty war and end game saved Captain Marvel movie from obscurity. Just look how the Marvel's sequel of captain marvel did without the avenger's help. Also, your not going to touch how many number ones that Ms. Marvel comics series the character had?
YESSS AN X-MEN THEORY
My x-men super power would be to turn any bad movie into an amazing one
0:45 “Slaps!” 👌
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Love your video and keep up the great work you are awesome
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ik i’m late but OMG FILM THEORY IS STILL GOOD IM TURNING NOTIFICATIONS BACK ON