Hit a Great Kick Serve With These Simple Steps
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Here are the steps to hit a kick serve. It's simple, just not that easy. First you have to develop a slice serve. If you slice it upwards you'll have yourself a topspin/kick serve!
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Big thanks, coach. Haven’t figured out the sick kick serve. But your tip of topspin slice, not chopping but pronation, is the game changer. Finally got a powerful safe second serve after struggling 3 years.
I like how you explained and demo. Simple and effective.
Your focus on the throw is so useful.Without this, the strokes are colourless, with, an explosion of colour.
I absolutely love your teaching style and methods! Thank you Tom
Thank you very much Tom, your explanation is excellent!
The deuce side demonstration was good! Its very rare to see this side talked about regarding topspin/kick serves, just wish you had a dedicated video for this.
Insightful info/video!
Brilliantly done
Big Thanks . You are amazing . I corrected my Serve by your tips
Also something new. Good stuff. Finally got a ping pong analogy in.
Great great advice on the true conti grip Finally I got it 🎉
great video !
Hi Tom, the lesson is nice. The combination of kick and slice is better than a pure kick and mentioned it. Perhaps you could add some approaching drills for a kick. Yes, kick is better in add box as a second serve and for a duce box slice is more affective. Flat and slice have a lot in common but kick has a different aspect to understand. Mostly philological as you have more your racket to the sky which is difficult to understand for a player. Take care, Alex
Thanks Tom, this is a perfect demonstration, I was following you from you’re a short video you ever told how to power up in kick serve :)
Can you elaborate little how to control in the halfway at the service box (deuce side)? My big problem now is I can have massive kick near the service line but hardly land at the halfway....
I don’t believe it’s from slower/softer swing but sometimes it makes it, thank you
Yah, I feel the same way with staying on that side of the court for serving and then switching sides. Idk if you have ever come across this type of serve where the server will serve a kick serve but instead of it bouncing somewhat high, it stays low and kicks at you with incredible kick, to the point where you can pretty much hear it cutting through the air. The ball comes in slow like literally, and then propels to like idk like 5x the speed if not more of what it came in the box at. It's a really interesting serve idk if you know anything about it, but if you do you should make a video about it because it's a really interesting type of kick serve its pretty much all kick and speed.
Thanks
I like the deuce side demonstration. What would you suggest for a Lefty? Should they hit more of a topspin serve on the ad side rather than a kick for a 2nd serve?
If I was lefty I’d put a bit of slice on everything
Nice what racket are you using the older Dunlop cx200 or cx200+ ?
yes. great racket
Re. the kick serve on the deuce court since you so rightly say “there’s much less court to work with if” the target is the T, why not to kick serve there to the body?
It’s can be a good serve. Just gotta have a great serve to execute it. And if you don’t execute it it’s easy to hit.
High elbow, high kick !
In my opinion the kick serve is not worth learning for about 99% of tennis players. This is primarily because a vast majority of players do not have the technical fundamentals needed to make the racquet move fast enough for their kick serve to move around in a way that hurts the opponent. The “slick” serve or topspin serve as Tom calls it is much more viable since you can still have decent speed in addition to the spin. I understand Tom talked about most of this in the video. It is extremely difficult to hit a true kick serve on the deuce side (as a righty). As a 5.0 level player, I’m not sure I have a true kick serve on the deuce side myself.
Agree with all that! I had an 8 year old talking about him hitting kick serves the other day. I kinda made this video to tell people not to bother and to develop other serves instead, but it didn’t fully end up that way.
I teach continental grip to babies. If they ain’t hitting topspin by age 5, I tell them to pick up chess.
Have you developed more tennis or chess players?
All chess players.
@@tennisproslav1237 how’s your chess, Slavy ?
My dad beats me with just 2 Rooks and his pawns, so it needs some work. I’m much better at top-spins.
Quite a handicap, sounds like you have a smart Dad. Speaking of topspin, been rewatching the TPA video showing you and Tom working w Nitzan on attacking high balls on the forehand - learned so much from that one - thanks again Slavy
why don't we see pros use the reverse slice serve (on the ad side) posted by Simon Freund on his Instagram?
Because you can’t hit it as hard because there’s less racket speed, and there’s less margin for error.
The tennis serve is a crucial shot that can greatly impact your performance on the court. Learn it
That’s the third time you have wrote this comment. Be better Bucky
It is rare to see a kick serve. Most of the serves I have seen are actually variations of slice and spin serves. To me the real kick serve is what I called a "hook" serve. The ball literally jumps up high after it hit the ground. In my experience I have only seen one guy who was able to do the kick serve.
Look up Mark Phillippousis on kick serve (online). He can do it. But look what he does with palm and string bed and calls a flick. Parallel to court. Parallel to back fence. Parallel to court. Surrounds the ball. Calls it all a flick.
I learned it. Bounced a ball over a midget and pulled him off the court. Tried it on a person of average height. Didn't work. That is when I went back to what Tom advocates.
I wrote an online book called A NEW YEAR’S SERVE. Everything in it was wrong except for the title.
Now I hesitate to say anything about serving since I am apt to change my mind the next day.
But when I watch Tom Allsopp’s videos, I get a bunch of new ideas since he likes to fool around too.
A famous online service guru who shall remain nameless has advised extremely turned around initial stance like McEnroe, Sampras and the old baseball pitcher Luis Tiant. He advised this but with the caveat, “if you can do it.”
What? I thought. Why is he instilling doubt? Doesn’t want to see anyone on the other side of the net with back turned toward him? Is turned around serving difficult? To me it’s just the same.
The personal challenge is not to jump up in the air and land on the partial replacement in my left leg.
So I like Tom’s suggestion to remain on the ground, keep the back foot down, and use kinetic chain more.
Okay, but I think the variations instructors offer in describing kinetic chain (if they describe it at all) are altogether too many.
I went back to the letter from the Braden Tennis College pasted into the front cover of my copy of TENNIS FOR THE FUTURE.
First link from feet to knees (who does that?). Second link from knees to hips. Third link from hips to shoulder. Fourth link the arm.
When I’m turned way around with my feet parallel and pointed at the right fence post, I want to glide my hips and knees to get up on my toes.
Tom says “along the baseline.” Me, I’m going slightly backward.
And I want to do this early within Mark Phillippoussis’ 3-count rhythm which I feel is excellent for a tall octogenarian with limited shoulder range.
Count one is toss including enough shoulders turn to activate the hips. Mark’s online cue from his childhood is use a smooth gravity drop to lop off your toes.
Count two is getting racket up and back on straightened arm and then bending it and going straight to power position without stopping for trophy position or anything silly like that. This is a longer tract than probably you’ve ever used in this part of the serve but it works just fine.
I think it especially economical if strings are slightly open at address. This somewhat spoils the amputation but as Robert Frost says all metaphors break down.
The thing one needs to add may be the hip push (toward right fence post, I am saying) and make it so early that you have time for a two-legged Charleston pivot that screws the heels and knees so feet though turned are still parallel to each other. It delays hips at the same time.
Who does this? I do. I’m out to restore Braden’s lost link. And I put this in count two not three which is the actual serve.
Now in count three the second and third links fire in rapid succession-hips and shoulders. Guess what? The arm just squeezed together into a needle. And I looked for an easier way to stop the shoulders than Danil Medvedev’s shoving of his left hand up into his right armpit.
Just move bent arm toward the net is my present idea.
This outlined serve may not be fastest in the world but leads to good ball movement. It saves legs for late. It chops upward to transform into internal shoulder rotation/pronation to end of the follow through.
The head no longer droops sadly down before contact as Tom says occurs 90 per cent of the time for all servers in the world.
One watches Taylor Fritz on TV. His head doesn’t go down but rather up as he makes contact.
He started with feet splayed. The thrust of his legs therefore spins the hips characteristic of modern serving. The entire arm-work is so fast and economical that the human head and racket head are still going up at contact.
Bad imitations, as Tom suggests, fly bod high so that it and arm then crash down on the ball as all kinetic chain is lost.
So is there kinetic chain in a modern serve? Yes, but most of it is automatically built into the initial thrust from splayed feet.
Older ways of serving are more complicated. The restoration of Vic Braden’s lost link is revolutionary.
Everything changes,, like it or not. Am now swirling ha in on the toss to get racket square for looping off the toes. Which makes immediate swirl the other way powerful and effective in sending the racket a long way toward the net (count two). This turning out is therefore good for timing since it unifies getting the arm straight then bent then twisted with racket tip low.
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Anything useful you got out of this?
Yes, I love the idea of a topspin serve just being a slice serve but up.
Yes. The motion of the wrist.
What's helpful to me is thinking about striking the ball along the axis of a clock's hands...topspin serve is hit along the 6-12 o'clock axis. Slice is hit at 1 o'clock or 8-2 o'clock, etc.
Your point about the true continental grip is very valuable. I do this mistake .
I think if you can hit a slice serve you should be able to hit a kick serve. Take care to stay sideways and do not open up to the net. If you do this and toss correctly above your head and let the ball drop more (lower contact point for kick than a flat or slice serve) the kick should automatically happen. 🎾