"If I can't hunt for free, I'll just poach"
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- You may have heard me say it before but it's worth saying again. We face a crucial time in our hunting history. If we are not prepared to stand to our digs and support true recreational hunting, then just accept what you get. Changes to firearm ownership in WA and Qld should give you a warning if you have the mindset to listen. If you want everything for free and without effort, then brace yourself for what is to come.
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he's a doctor, thus well versed in "poaching".
The poaching doctor story has been told before
Needed telling again for those that simply cannot grasp the message
Interesting clip, Clark. Coming from Western Australia, I have never paid to hunt. Most property owners over here are happy to let us come and hunt for them. Costs them nothing, and we remove the pests for them for free. I fear this is all about to change in the next few years with what's happening over here with the firearm laws at the moment. If the government get their way, property owners will need to get permission to allow hunters in. Then, the hunters will need to get permission from the property owner.
Smart man this bloke a national treasure
As always Clarke, you hit the nail on the head! We need all hunters to make an effort before it’s too late. I’m hunting Chital again next year which will be my 8th time traveling from NSW to embark on a paid guided Chital deer hunt. I see the value of our deer populations and will continue to support landowners, guides and many others by putting money on the table to hunt “their” land, stay in their accommodation, buy fuel, food and the list goes on. It’s common sense and these hunts are some of the best hunts I’ve ever encountered, worth every cent!!
Vote No to the Voice. It’s only going to get much worse if it gets up.
exactly
Still have an unused Deer Tag somewhere at home.
And I always got my duck & quail permit every season......until the Government with the help of the bird fanciers lobby had the season banned for ever.
Well said, Clark! Here in North America Big Game Trophy Clubs played a crucial role in conservation and in curbing the poaching and market hunting. The hardest thing is to get people to see the big picture and buy into the solution.
Very interesting facts mate on hunting in Qld....with most things in life people dont want to look at the big picture and make a considered judgement...Cheers from Sydney town mate.
Here in WA we have access to Station country if your invited by Station boss. On ex Pastoral lease Stations if your in a gun club like the SSAA, access can also be provided via a permit with Dept Biodiverstiy Conservation and Attractions. This is through a MOU between the gun club and the WA State Govt. It involves paperwork and sign off but it works and means we can go and shoot ferals for free on that ex Pastoral lease. DBCA requests shooters take ear samples of donkeys, dogs and camels for their research. It allows us to work in with our Govt officials, helps the bush and gives gun club members exclusive access under permit to a lot of country where ferals roam. I appreciate this arrangement and have taken advantage of it to get out on hunting trips.
Sadly not for much longer.
This is why I, living in Queensland, keep a NSW R licence. I pay my annual fee of $50 as a pensioner and go hunting to any available NSW State forests as many times as I want. I don’t pay for guides, animals or property fees. We should have the same system in Queensland. John
I talk with hundreds of R licence holders each year and have done so for many years. Great system, however, many areas are being shot out, most deer herds have the best genetics and younger animals slaughtered, many adjoining landholders are sick of the boundary fence hunting mentality etc etc. Read the position statement on the www.theridgegroup.net website to learn the reasons why Qld is a completely different ballgame.
That's the history hunters need to hear.
Couldn't agree more Clark.
I now live in QLD, but am happy to pay for my VIC Game Licence, even If I only get down once a year to chase Sambar. I'm sure the money for VIC Game Lic could be better spent, but I think it's important that people express their interest in hunting, so we don't lose the opportunity (like in QLD).
I'm happy to pay for the opportunity to hunt, but getting access to freehold land in QLD to do so is almost impossible! This may lead people saying "screw it" and act outside of the 'law'.
Poaching is poaching, but private versus public land.....
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Well put, a very interesting and informative video
Thank you kindly
I'm not surprised people weren't buying tags if they were $75 in 1980. That's $387 with inflation. And you can't even pack the meat under current laws. In Victoria a 42 month game licence is half that. And you can put the meat in the freezer.
Agreed. However, my opinion back them is still the same today. Instead of ignoring the system, it needed to be maintained, then improved, made fair and equitable, treasured.... but the hunting groups of this State openly rejected it, publicly and blatantly flaunted untagged trophies at displays and in competitions etc, giving the powers that be the reason to close it down. Smart like rock.
hey clarke, do you ever go after the yowie, the hairyman, the dogman, anyway good luck and get the dogs
When we launch our private channel soon, stories like that will be told
Well Said. Ive never hunted Deer when I was younger as they were not in our area for years, So never got in my blood like hunting pigs, I love hunting pigs more is my trouble,
Hey mate hope you are doing well, love your videos and always leave a like. In NSW you can get a r licence that allows you to hunt in most state forests (obviously not National Parkes) Is that available in QLD aswell?
Go to the www.theridgegroup.net website and read the Position Statement and other docs
@@ClarkMcGhiesWildCountry thanks mate I’ll have a look 😁
where are the most deer in Qld and Northern NSW I am from Tenterfield and left in 1964 and I cannot recall anyone talking about deer back then.
Probably our biggest population would e the Samar in Vic and NSW but aerial shooting is hitting them hard atm
It's a bloody sad situation Clarke I live in Victoria born and bred and I've hunted a lot in my 74 years on this planet and the only people making money from hunting here is the Grubberment not land owners and a lot of hunters don't hunt fringe country and around where i live most of the landowners don't want hunters because they like the deer and there are tens of thousands of hectares of country that are closed to hunting and the deer breed like flies who the hell is going to win not the hunters.
It is heading towards a very sad situation. If we the hunters want to "own" the deer and therefore the hunting, then we need to pay the piper. Maybe we have gone too far down the track before we got this sorted and now the options are limited?
Wise words
Victoria D&RE have just completed a 2nd round of helicopter shoots from Geelong-moriav area all the way to south Australia border with 3500 animals shot and left to rot
Its disgusting but its not because there are too many deer its that the government makes getting a permt so hard they have introduced Marksman quality qualifications on shooters
I run a gun shop snd i get both sides of the argument i hear that most shooters would go for deer but the areas we can go get smaller and the rules change so they are frustrated with the system and some of the farmers attitudes
Things need to change and quickly or we wont have any deer left
A lot of shooters down here only shoot deer on private property where a license is not needed
These guys do not realise the damage that they are doing to the image of deer hunters
Deer need to be valued and seen as a resource not a pest
I see Vic hunter organisations as the only hope we have got, one the best hopes we have of a change. Unfortunately, for many years, they have had their heads rammed up out of the sunlight as this train wreck of slaughter headed straight at them. 35yrs ago, I tried to say this was the inevitable path we were on and got scorned.
What is a fair price or price range for a deer Clark? I would be all for a permit system if it meant some public land was opened up for those who wanted to follow the system. I would be willing to pay some royalties particularly to a farmer for any game species, but I feel the value is key to success. I understand in reality this is not an easy question as what does it cost to raise a deer instead of the cattle you have a market for, supply and demand ect. But I am probably more interested in what your thoughts would be on a starting point?
Good work by the way love the channel.
Morning. Just replied to @jodyherd2010 on this same issue so I will follow on here. If we believe in the property owners right (on a house block or a 100K farm), then we believe in the right of that landholder to say "NO" to anyone entering their land or to put up with an animal residing on their land? Right or wrong? If you agree, then I flick back to many years ago when a landowner I know, with many thousands of deer on his property, was dictated to by Govt at a time when the deer were classed as "Introduced Fauna". He simply sent them an invoice for the upkeep and maintenance of the huge herd of "their" deer on his land because if he didn't "own" them, the Govt (we the people) did. This is the basic sticking point at the bottom of this argument. Who owns the deer? or other ferals?
Ok, if they are on public land, again, who owns them and is responsible for their upkeep, damage, impact on landholders next door? We, the people are.
What sort of deer are you wanting to hunt? As a private breeder of Red and fallow, I can tell you that for a good trophy sized animal (14 point plus Red) it might take me 5-6-7 years raising that animal, making sure it gets the right nutrition and the land is not over grazed by cattle or sheep (which I could make money on yearly), keeping the poachers off it, keeping it in 10,000 acres of 2m high fencing that costs $20K/km plus upkeep. Each doe only has one fawn/year. 50% chance it is female. So I'm amazed when hunters think they can just get a quality animal for peanuts. In NZ south, you could pay $10,000/day plus to hunt the tops, plus trophy.
Hey Clarky. What amount do you see as a fair amount to charge to harvest a deer in QLD. Last time I looked at prices it seems expensive. What's your thoughts?
Ok, in many ways a tricky question. If you are someone who believes in free enterprise and property rights, ie; a capitalist system rather than a socialistic system, then you believe in the right of a landowner/landholder to determine the price placed on entry to their land, or even the price charged for any animal taken off that land. True or false? If you hold this as true, then commercial reality will dictate what a person is prepared to pay and what they say no to. If a landholder charges too much, then they don't get hunters. This is the basis of free enterprise.
Ok, then we need to look at public land. First go and read the "Tragedy of the Commons".
I'll pay a farmers, but the bush should be free hunting
Great dream. If the numbers are too high on public land and they impact landholders next door, then who then pays the bill? We (the hunters) should, if we want the rights to have those game animals move freely from State land to freehold and back. That means Govt taxes on every person, the anti hunters, tree huggers, vegans... everyone, to pay for your free hunting? Right? Or should we have a Pittman-Robertson style Act as in the US where the outdoors people pay for their outdoor pursuits? Similarly, if the people who demand huge unused tracts of NP land, free of hunters etc, then they (the woke mob) should pay for that themselves. What is fair?
Not going to happen in Qld until state owned land and National Parks are opened to recreational hunters.....
Clark i have you asked the question several times, who do we pay to make them stay? Not sure if you are seeing my question as an attack on you, im curious as what do you see as solution moving forward?
It is a mind-set we need to adopt as a whole. While we are now seeing more and more hunters willing to pay their way, there is still a huge section of our "team" who want everything for free, maybe like you would expect in a socialistic society. Tax everyone hard so that the Govt can give it back to you for "free", if they feel like doing so that is. The harsh reality that many hunters will not wake up to is the sound of turbine engines, slaughtering their way through introduced species. Why?? Because the powers that be see them as worthless, except for our enjoyment. Thats the second reality that so many will not face - most of our political parties would throw all hunters and gun/bow owners under the bus if they could. So who should pay? User pays.
In Qld, most "game" species are on private freehold and leasehold land and these mostly hard working decent people, watch the "Bottom line". If it pays, it stays. www.theridgegroup.net
@@ClarkMcGhiesWildCountry maybe it starts at the top and not the hunters, perhaps it's bureaucrats and landowners that need convincing not the hunters themselves, I'm well aware of access to hunting grounds in qld i live in the South Burnette like you, I also grew up in nz and turbine engines in the sky slaughtering what 'we' see as an asset its not a foreign thing to me..
$75 was too much. $20 would have been OK.
Back in those days, $100 was a lot of money (50c for a pie, 50c lt for fuel, etc). Instead of ignoring the system, make if we had banded together across all disciplines and pushed for a fair and equitable system?
This go wandering and shoot where you like only ends up going one-way ' usually a magistrate's court for one reason or another, as for the doctor and his views well I'm sure he's a decent guy but seriously doc you'll end up with anarchy ' I really don't envy you with this it's like a dog chasing its tail , it's a hard job getting everyone to sing from the same hymn sheet " maybe try the doc on brandy he might change his tune .
You fellas best get your ducks in a row.
I appreciate that, and well said
However, maybe tgere should be less government, and more people like yourself, who actually know, and the landowners decide, how their properties are managed.
Personaly, I'm done with government and corporate law enforcement agencies.
They are making outlaws of decent people for profit themselves.
With very much all due respect.
And thank you for thus channel, and all your efforts
I feel the same way. Sick of it totally. We the people must take responsibility if we want rights.
I poach anyways mate where ever I go has to be done longs ye don't get caught its all good
Well what an asset to society you are!! Congratulations hero.
And so hunting will quickly become the domain of the wealthy.
Yes, If you and others are silly enough not to adopt sustainable use principles with landholders asap. Look at the work done by www.theridgegroup.net
Nothings free in life, never own anything, pay your house off still gotta pay rates etc, just the way it is, we all gotta pay and keep paying till the end
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You are turning people off with all this political stuff. I'm guessing most used to come here to switch off & just watch you using your skills & knowledge. Keep it up & you'll have no subscribers I reckon.
Check the stats honky. You are the odd man out. Turn off and whack your head back up out of the sunlight. Your grandkids will thank you for being so unselfish
Well Bruce ! I think you’re telling it right
Bruce I once had a similar attitude about gun laws. I got sick of hearing the presenter bang on about politics when I just wanted to watch gun stuff. One of the presenters pulled me up on my attitude and I came to realise that attitudes like the one that I held, were the reason we were in a dire position. Where would we be if we did not take time to talk about and keep informed on gun laws? We would not join groups and help lobby for a better future for gun owners.
This is the same position. If we don't talk about it now and take action, we will have a future run by those that oppose our way of life. "You will own nothing and be happy" .Please have a think about it and consider putting your shoulder to the wheel.
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