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@@GummyDinosaursify not hating on them but they're defibetly more like the Clique Club but better considering "most" of the member have at least known each others but not with the horribleness of Nijisanji (They're still horrible with the Veibae, Nyanners and Silvervale situation but not s big as Nijisanji)
@@Ghstkng123 Bro Vie,Nyan and Silver chose to leave, because of that it was like a blessing to Vshojo then henya arrived this cenario was like that avengers thing Vshojo:we lost three members But we have henya
@@ffwast To make sense and streamline it, the reality is, some events and facts are more random than straightforward, like a road going up a mountain, curves and curves all around.
Giga-chad lawyer telling her to ghost them. He probably did the math and realized that it would cost them more in travel, retaining a US-based lawyer, and court fees than they would be able to "recover" from her in the form of damages
He may not have even been a Giga-Chad , or even a Chad, just an actual everyday run of the mill competent lawyer. In order to even start attempting to collect any money from her, they’d have to sue her in the US, and the suit would have been thrown out of the court the second any US judge took a look at the contract. It was 100% unenforceable and void as a matter of law. LegalMindset’s stream on it went into detail on everything unenforceable under US law, which amounted to the entire contract. Just because it’s written down in a contract doesn’t mean it’s legally binding if the contract stipulations are in and of themselves illegal, and the entire contract was full of illegalities under US law, so much so that no judge would enforce any clause in it. Good thing to come out of all of this was I discovered AlienMixture from this whole mess, and she’s a great streamer.
@@yououttapocket Not in any country that isn't trying to literally end itself faster than the US. You show this to a judge and within the first minute they'll burst out laughing and order you to get out of their court. And that'd be the best outcome for this agency.
@@Dice-Z that is if they get a nice judge, now imagine a grumpy judge with their docket (court file that they have to go through for the whole day) is ultra stacked. lmao that judge would chew them so hard for shit like this
"Quintuple damages" alone will get you laughed out of court. Treble is the most for event the most egregiously punitive damages. They didn't hit the tobacco companies with quintuples, they didn't hit the thalidomide companies with quints either. McDonald's didn't get hit with even triples after getting exposed for conspiring to jury tamper on the spilled coffee case by tainting public perception (which is what largely sunk their defense). Quintuple damages is COMPLETELY unreasonable even if she literally flew to South Korea and shot the CEO in the head.
A company that would put this stuff in a contract can't be trusted. I wouldn't put it past them to add something like that in after. I also think they breached the contract by not paying her unless they somehow negotiated not paying her. So they aren't entitled to any compensation even according to their insane contract
remind me of Phase Connect (another vtuber company, lead by h2oSakana a.k.a fishman) FORCE their potential talents to have a lawyer go through the contract BEFORE SIGNING. if they cant do that then fishman would go as far as but not limited to introduce lawyers to the potential talents if they dont know any, or lend money for the lawyers fee if they cant afford (which honestly not much but impressive that they did offer it).
How did they even create this contract did they just slam a keyboard on their office table Just imagine not getting paid for months when putting in your time and love into a job you dont even get paid for
I first heard of her on one of her ads so I checked her channel, subbed, one day her profile pic was gone, realized she's terminated and found out what her agency did to her. As bad as they were, not even nijisanji pulled a stunt this outrageous as far I know. It really sucks.
@@Tahanok2 True, at this point I don't watch most Vtuber news channels because the anti niji sentiment is too strong and feels like a vendetta at this point, and I've stopped watching all the talent because it's exhausting....
@@nowaxapen Fr. now most of the videos are "Niji liver said X" followed by REEEEEEEEEEEE Niji Bad. The hate has gone well beyond holding a company accountable and now both sides just fight like children in comments sections lol.
To be fair, there are a number of cases where seemingly the only reason Niji wasn't as bad is because even they couldn't conceptualise getting away with quite That level of nonsense, and are staggeringly incompitent at actually following through on such things (the number of Nijisanji NDAs that are completely void because they couldn't even get the name of the other party right or similar nonsense...)
@@Goldenjews1234 yea she could win that and then resue for the damages they caused they really goofy bru i swear these vtuber companies are slow asl 😅
i miss the good ole days when vigilantes would punish bad behavior. Seemed like the world was a better place when people where punished for being A-holes to people.
@@cooltwittertag considering the ease of getting information to avoid "innocent people" from getting hurt now with the internet, I'd say bring it back in, but you strike me as a person who believes the victims of pdfiles are the perpetrators and not the children hurt by them
@@vexile1239 you sound like the kind of person to sho-ot an innocent man because some talking head on the internet told you hes something hes not, which is why you feel so trig-gered by my statement
I worked for a company that tried me to sign a non-compete and an NDA when they laid me off after working there for two months. The non-compete was so badly written you couldn't even work as a receptionist for the competition, and the NDA was ridiculous for someone who had only seen welcome power points. Apparently V&U hired the same Fiverr lawyer.
I've experienced some truly outrageous contract attempts just working as a software engineer. I can't imagine how much worse it must be in fields where the company at times tries to specifically select people who are vulnerable to being exploited/not reading their contract. One time where I was working for a company that (ironically) was a RUclips MCN, (mainly working on the software that interfaced with RUclips to handle things like revenue and analytics), I had made an offhand comment about our pay to some of the other programmers (along the lines of "I'm paid X and that's not enough to put up with Y"). A few hours later the CEO of the company walked into our room where we did the programming and just straight up said "none of you are allowed to discuss salaries with each other". I turned to my supervisor and told him "I'm going to go take a 2 hour lunch while I think about whether I want to keep working here or would rather report the CEO to the National Labor Relations Board and the California Labor Board. If I come back from lunch, I decided to keep working here." When I came back from lunch, the CEO pulled me into a meeting and flat out begged me to not quit. Companies do more and more illegal stuff until they find out what people will actually push back on.
years and years ago I had worked at a walmart as just a part time gig to pick up some extra money in winter time, worked in their garage changing oil, they basically fired a guy but had him sign a paper first an he did without looking an basically was a paper saying he quit so he couldn't get unemployment, they tried to do the same thing to me but I kept refusing to sign it I said if your going to fire me then fire me but im not quitting or signing anything an they legit sat there for a half hour trying to get me to sign this thing an the guy stood up in my face like he was gonna get physical which was the store gm eventually they told me to get out when time came for unemployment they were so bad at lying including about trying to trick me into signing that thing that the person monitoring the conversation on the phone laughed at them an gave me the unemployment an that gm was fired a year later for millions missing. All this was over helping a customer get a piece of metal that was stuck in his brake pad which we weren't suppose to be working on. They also were mad that we were doing oil changes to fast because their policy is to make customers wait 45mins for oil 2 hrs for anything else even if it takes 10 mins because they wanted you to walk around the store an spend more money. We had to sign a nda and weren't allowed to speak to any press or anyone.
I feel like every corrupt Vtuber company has just decided that they want to have a competition of who makes the absolute worst business decisions. Like what the heck is this!? Microsoft and Sony all over again!?
I’m not even a part of any vtuber community, yet watching all this content, can’t help, the storytelling is too good. And the stories themselves are absolutely crazy.
@@Markel_GR Though it's scary at how miniscule the drama is for Vtubers, compared to basically any other Media Idol industry from places like Korea and Japan.
@@alyasVictorioFalseEyed and Khyo are horrible places to get your news. They’re extremely biased in how they present information. Mujin is much better in that regard and mostly just neutral in his reporting, immediately making him better than them
As a korean, I'm proud to say our genorosity regarding coworkers and capability of writing formal documents are finally shown to the public! (Seriously, avoid working with South Korean corporate at any cost, rather cooperate with Northern homies!)
not for Indies :) i stopped watching corpos in 2022 and i only support independent talents now. im not paying money to any corpo they all abuse their talents. there are plenty of successful streamers on Twitch and RUclips that are their own boss that make more money than some of the corpos. and guess what? they can play any game they want and collab with whoever they want
How do you explain in court that you asked for 400k+ refund from someone you paid less than 30k during the entire time she worked for u? Like wtf? Puting in a contract that you are going to ask for 5x what you invested if she can't find it out by herself is even crazier.
Music industry A&R’s: we’ll sign teenagers to 10-album, 20- year contracts and full recuperables V&U agency: Hold this v-tuber rig that’s not even ours
@@Fishman465the usual thing is that you become a trainee as a teen, while learning to be an idol you gather dept cuz company pays for your training. Then when you debut the standard is a 7-year contract. For a good while most of the money you make goes to paying off the dept. If you try to leave before the contract expires it is very hard, cuz usually they are written inna predatory way. If you violate the contract you might get kicked out of the company and even blacklisted. Music industry is fcked up as a whole, but Korean seems to be next level tbh. The amount of stuff we learn when some idols sue their companies or leave the industry is crazy. But also how much money the idols earn depends heavily on the company, cuz some might not even be predatory, but simply all the money the idol earns need to be reinvested in order to keep them afloat. Crazy stuff tbh
@@CCHO12346 No this is worse. This is like working at McD's and then when you quit they want you to give them back all the money they paid you while you were working because they consider those to be their damages. Even though that is what they paid you in exchange for you working for them and making them money during that time period.
Funny you mention Niji since there're a lot of paralleles to Zaion's termination. The smear attempt, the extortion (niji's talent must pay their own model but everything from the theme to the quality is decided by the compagny) and the "sisters" going for the throat on her. Since everything is much smaller, it didn't get as messy as Niji and ended much faster. One thing I want to add is the fact that V&U invested a lot in their talents after Solstice : 3D chibi, full 3D MV, short in the same vein of hologra voice by the talents. With Niji outed as keeping all the money for themselves, it was a good sign ! How blind we were ! And yet, for the OGs, the sign were here since their first talents expressing distress over the stress, the lack of merch and other things. Another real problem here : most of the talent in the first, second and third gen are south Korean and live in South Korea. The contract is enforceable for them, as ridiculous as it seems.
There's too much abuse and corruption in Vtuber contracts The crazy thing is this could be life ruining. Not just career ruining. This is playing with the lives of people and could put someone in crippling debt. Withholding 2 months and extra of payment is also illegal
sadly it was the meteoric rise of vtubrs' popularity in the past few years, people wanted the ideal job of working as a content creator from home and getting paid bank for it, which isn't the case unless you have a massive channel, and so many companies saw a way to exploit those people who they knew would skim over their contracts and sign on the dotted line no questions asked. All the company had to do was dangle some shiny things in front of them and wait for the people to bite. The acting/music/modeling industry does the same thing.
@@citizenspaghetti I'm not really knowledged in acting or whatever but yea I also know how Music and modeling often have quite corrupt systems. ESPECIALLY modeling IMO. It's just crazy to me. Being naive and compulsive is bad, yes. But taking advantage of it is simply disgusting.
@satanm8c40 modeling is definitely the worst of the bunch. At least a vtubr doesn't have the pressure to look a certian way and be forced to maintain it. Yeah, the fault lies 75% with the shady agency 25% with the impulsive and dumb person. The average liver is usually college-aged, so they don't have the real-world experience to know when someone is taking them for a ride. All they see is "I'm gonna be the next Ironmouse," and the agency will gladly let them believe it to get a signature on that paper.
@citizenspaghetti I wouldn't say any of the fault lies with the Vtuber Being Naive and compulsive is bad but it doesn't warrant abuse and doesn't dissolve any of the fault of the agencies themselves. If it did you could also go as far as to claim a murder victim holds some fault for being out at night in an alleyway. It's dumb but doesn't dissolve the murderer of his fault.
@satanm8c40 A bit different than being a victim of a crime. Being a victim isn't a choice. Signing an employment contract is. Anyone signing a contract is under the obligation to understand its terms. In this case, the contract wasn't properly written and had terms that wouldn't be considered legally binding. Any lawyer could have told Serafi that after a few minutes of reading it. Hell, after seeing that shit show of a contract, I could have told her it was ludacris and she should run for the hills and I run a restaurant. However, if it had been written properly and still exploited the worker, then they would be in for a very long battle in court to fight it. The music industry has tons of examples of that happening. Look at what happened to Kesha. Her contract was insane but written so that it was legal. She was told she would be rich and famous if she signed, and the reality was she was signing away everything to the label.
The contract was probably structured by a greedy “businessman” who have no legal common sense and is just daydreaming throughout the whole process. And someone had to draft it and/or translate it
I wouldn't be surprised if this contract can be enforced in Korea tho, but yea not in USA or any other country that doesn't allow slavery by contract...
@@giantmastersword This one seems to be completely beyond even that, I have to say. If absolutely nothing else, it doesn't even attempt to specify which venue to use! Wild.
I follow three Vtuber agencies. V&U, Vreverie, and Phase Connect. All three have had some level of drama but by far the worst has come from V&U with Vreverie coming in a close second. Yes losing over 60% of your talents due to mismanagement in a few months looks terrible but I think what V&U has done is worse.
East Asia's legal standards are insane. SK basically lets the company own you, and in Japan you can get sued for defamation and lose even if everything you say is true and provable.
@@giantmastersword confucianism is chinese, so idk why thats relevent when were discussing korea and japan, both of which have been nearly built from the ground up by the US after ww2 and take many values from "western" ideals ??
@@XiaoYueMao Confusianism was still an important foundational ideology for both countries through most of history. The American-led reconstructions did change some aspects of political culture, but a few years won't uproot centuries of tradition
15:45 Just a clarification on the non-compete clause legality. The ruling is not retroacive and won't go into effect until September 4th so there's still plenty of time to sign those abusive contracts.
@@lewax00 my understanding is that it cannot be retroactive (retroactively applicable laws cause a LOT of problems of the sort that most funcitonal governments put significant efforts into avoiding), in the sense that no one can get in trouble for anything done before the law came into effect, but it can absolutely apply, as of that date, to contracts made before that point, funcitonally causing all non-compete clauses (well, those it applies to, seems there are some limited exceptions?) to terminate at that point.
These are the times where I’m so happy I grew up surrounded by lawyers because “You don’t sign ANY contract that you haven’t fully read, comprehended and checked with a lawyer” was hammered into my head pretty early on.
@@dsuffers3032 I mean technically an Angel is just an extraterrestrial from a certain point of view... maybe she was always an alien and just dropped the Angel motif
Should go to show how broad the community is despite it being a niche. It seems like a huge deal, and yet it has very little bearing on Indies or the other companies
Korean/japanese companies expoiting teens and young adults as entertainers isnt new, the idol industry has always been like this. The Vtuber side of thing just exposes this to a larger audience.
honestly? vtubers just want to get into the gig so badly as its more of a hobby than a job, so they signup with whoever offers first and dont even bother checking if things are aboveboard
Corpo Vtuber agencys really took in the worst of idol culture huh? Theres a wide range between bad and good (thankfully), but I really don't understand how they treat their streamers. Its like, the Name and the Avatar is worth more then the Person behind it....Which is just not true and wouldn't work alone.
You can broadly break the Vtuber agencies into three catagories: the good ones, the bad ones, and the ones we don't yet know enough about to say. The good ones? They're basically exactly what they look like... so long as you remember that the talents are absolutely working regular 9-5+ hours, 5+ days a week to achieve that because there is a LOT of behind the scenes work that has to get done on top of the streams, videos, live appearances, concerts etc. that you actually See (well, less for the smaller outfits that don't go as insanely all out, but still a significant amount of work). They get compensation, holidays, opportunities, and working conditions that absolutely make it worth it though. The bad ones? Well, often it's the worst of the black company part of the idol industry merged with scammy tech bro garbage, and often more of a get rich quick scheme than an actual business. (sometimes it's more a matter of incompitence and then a mad scramble to keep things afloat that ultimately doesn't pan out, but those tend to follow a rather different pattern of failure.)
Hollywoke making nothing but trash no one wants to see. Music industry being exposed for (illegally moving underaged people and brainwashing) V-Tuber industry corps being exposed for the shady POS it really is. 2024 is insane period. 😂
Hi Mujin! I LOVE your channel and it has been such a wonderful experience watching it grow. I absolutely ADORE how it slowly became a place shit on crappy vtuber companies! It was very wholesome.
A lot of companies try to cheat the system with fine print saying "users always have to take our side". Even by the time of Diablo 3 Reforged, this was called out as not legally binding, or at least not as much as country laws
Because joining these companies is one of very few ways to get recognized. You either stream for years with only 5 viewers in an attempt to get recognized... or join a company that will instantly give you thousands of viewers at the low price of your soul.
@@dizz6340 exactly it's just like the old Macinima contracts. And Just like Macinima 90% of the time after you sign them they basically ignore you when you need something.
Frankly, in this case signing it isn't really a problem if you're really on the ball. As mentioned in the video, the thing wasn't even enforceable in an American court.
The absolute IRONY of me getting an ad of a Vtuber FROM THE V&U AGENCY IN THIS VIDEO. At this point going Indie might even have less of a risk than joining a company with how wild these terminations are getting
I would like to point out, that in Poland we have a law about NDA's, in order a company to enforce it on someone, you have to pay them at least the same amount montly as you payed them as employee, and NDA ends the moment company stops paying
Day 71 thanking Mujin for making my day Man, I'm so glad I'm still learning and not working but damn both ways are hard. I guess it's the best to be self employed
Was a fan and was so busy with work I didn't notice she was gone time just flew by and I was wondering when she'd come back till this popped up in my feed.
I swear, this is one of the reasons I'm so hesitant in anything to do with companies. There's a very few that actually care for their talents in any way.
Indeed. The good ones are very good. The bad ones are very bad. There are a lot more bad ones than good ones. And then, of course, there's the inevitable issue of what happens when there is a change in ownership...
I would say phase connect and idol Corp are doing fairly well, though I did hear that one of phase's talents did something they shouldn't have and was terminated because of it
What the heck is going on with Vtubers and Vtuber companies in 2024!? Why has it only been now that everything is starting to occur like what the heck 😂
In fact, apart from a few, corpo overlords have always acted like this. It's just that now the international public is involved. A public that simply despises this Asian culture of submission to corporations, and is therefore willing to expose all the bullshit they do.
People are finally realizing that these companies don't have to own your soul. All these laws for "protecting corporations" make them feel invincible. ... and they are, in their own countries. They take their talent for granted, and now they have to accept that their slave contracts are unenforceable.
Some of the companies involved in these contract "issues" apply a great deal of pressure on their potential talents or talents to sign the contracts without letting them read it or get a lawyer to read it
Because agencies like these guarantee that you get views. You either stream for 5 viewers until you give up on your dream, or join a big company that will get your name out in the public. Those are the options.
See, this is why before you sign a contractor-based employment contract, you should probably look it over and give it to a lawyer. Man, all these agencies are just shit.
I don't even think it's legal to tell someone to pay back their salary to their employer if the employee already successfully completed all requirements of their contract. You can't undo someone's time and effort and energy they expended doing the work, and all work needs to be compensated.
16:25 Somebody probably already pointed it out, but the contract said that arbitration will take place in Seoul, South Korea. (Of course a corporation is using an arbitration clause 🤢, it's like night and day, really.) Which is completely unenforceable according to LegalMindset since the work is being conducted within the U.S., not in Korea.
The V tubers from America should propably just sign the contract ending their signature with V.C. idk if it works in American law but in Dutch law it basically means they forced you to sign this and that you are not entirely (or completely) in accordance with the terms of said contract
Yup. Where I live that's called "Firma en disconformidad", and means exactly the same. Is really useful in labor disputes. Removing benefits? "I read it, but I disagree". Hired as full remote during the pandemic and now being forced to go to the office? Excuse me, let me talk to my lawyer real quick. (Runs to update their résumé)
Ah, i forget if it was V&U or another corpo, but when their contract or behind the scenes was exposed, people call the CEO out for literally tries to turn their VTuber into his harem.
At this point I think that the vtuber companies just don’t want to give you money anymore, also why is all my favorite vtubers leaving... I’m honestly beginning to believe that vtubers is a thing of the past lol
God, I've subscribed to Serafi since 2023, and she was really was a nice angel. Now I see why her channel has been wiped of its contents since I checked her channel after I've forgotten her.
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serafi said dont attack the company, ok i accept it,but @anom_batman who totally not me still will
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Shoutout to the lawyer straight up telling Serafi to just ignore them like you would a child throwing a temper tantrum xD
Contracts are only enforceable up until proper law begins.
She doesn't have to talk to them herself???
@@mikuenjoyerXD She didn't later on. Pretty sure the video mention it as well
Honestly yeah, get me this lawyer damn that man is amazing
@@RhinslovesomMan even US Bus stop poster lawyers would want this case out of the US Labour laws broken.
Vtuber companies trying not to abuse their talents challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
I dont know, VShojo (aka: the survivors of Niji club) seems to be pretty chill
@@GummyDinosaursify not hating on them but they're defibetly more like the Clique Club but better considering "most" of the member have at least known each others but not with the horribleness of Nijisanji (They're still horrible with the Veibae, Nyanners and Silvervale situation but not s big as Nijisanji)
What about Phase Connect?
Hololive : laughs
@@Ghstkng123 Bro Vie,Nyan and Silver chose to leave, because of that it was like a blessing to Vshojo then henya arrived this cenario was like that avengers thing
Vshojo:we lost three members
But we have henya
Somehow every vtubers’ lore is not as crazy as real life like wtf
Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense.
@@ffwast To make sense and streamline it, the reality is, some events and facts are more random than straightforward, like a road going up a mountain, curves and curves all around.
@@ffwast lsd dream simulator
@@TheDoctorFromArknights Make sense... Story plot can't be as random as rl
I need a vtuber with a lore like this 😂
>Explotive contract
>South-Korea based company
Oh well, understandable.
Yep…if it’s Korea-
I wanna be surprised but i cant😭 korean entertainment companies can be the worst ngl😭😭
That contract was like written by a High Schooler the Agency was probably made by High Schoolers tryna hussle lol
@@Reiswalt *_Now where have I heard about a Vtuber agency hiring high schoolers with subpar english hmmmmmmm_*
South Korean companies exploit their employees? Well, maybe she should've tried a North Korean company instead.
Giga-chad lawyer telling her to ghost them. He probably did the math and realized that it would cost them more in travel, retaining a US-based lawyer, and court fees than they would be able to "recover" from her in the form of damages
He may not have even been a Giga-Chad , or even a Chad, just an actual everyday run of the mill competent lawyer. In order to even start attempting to collect any money from her, they’d have to sue her in the US, and the suit would have been thrown out of the court the second any US judge took a look at the contract. It was 100% unenforceable and void as a matter of law.
LegalMindset’s stream on it went into detail on everything unenforceable under US law, which amounted to the entire contract. Just because it’s written down in a contract doesn’t mean it’s legally binding if the contract stipulations are in and of themselves illegal, and the entire contract was full of illegalities under US law, so much so that no judge would enforce any clause in it.
Good thing to come out of all of this was I discovered AlienMixture from this whole mess, and she’s a great streamer.
That's if the contract is even enforceable.
@@yououttapocket Not in any country that isn't trying to literally end itself faster than the US. You show this to a judge and within the first minute they'll burst out laughing and order you to get out of their court. And that'd be the best outcome for this agency.
@@Dice-Z that is if they get a nice judge, now imagine a grumpy judge with their docket (court file that they have to go through for the whole day) is ultra stacked. lmao that judge would chew them so hard for shit like this
"Quintuple damages" alone will get you laughed out of court. Treble is the most for event the most egregiously punitive damages.
They didn't hit the tobacco companies with quintuples, they didn't hit the thalidomide companies with quints either. McDonald's didn't get hit with even triples after getting exposed for conspiring to jury tamper on the spilled coffee case by tainting public perception (which is what largely sunk their defense).
Quintuple damages is COMPLETELY unreasonable even if she literally flew to South Korea and shot the CEO in the head.
Lesson learned?
-Have a lawyer go through ANY contract before you sign it.
Truly a necessary evil.
I remember the days when that job is the butt of many jokes with "evil" or "hell" as the punchline
Extra galaxy brain move, have a lawyer look over their contract, then sign it after the lawyer tells you it is illegal and unenforceable
A company that would put this stuff in a contract can't be trusted. I wouldn't put it past them to add something like that in after. I also think they breached the contract by not paying her unless they somehow negotiated not paying her. So they aren't entitled to any compensation even according to their insane contract
remind me of Phase Connect (another vtuber company, lead by h2oSakana a.k.a fishman) FORCE their potential talents to have a lawyer go through the contract BEFORE SIGNING. if they cant do that then fishman would go as far as but not limited to introduce lawyers to the potential talents if they dont know any, or lend money for the lawyers fee if they cant afford (which honestly not much but impressive that they did offer it).
I know vShojo found a contract lawyer and paid them for one of the talents to have a lawyer read their contract before it was signed.
How did they even create this contract did they just slam a keyboard on their office table
Just imagine not getting paid for months when putting in your time and love into a job you dont even get paid for
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@@elylioney6390 Omg yeah
@@elylioney6390that would explain some of the weird phrasing, actually...
That’s the life of a K-pop idol.
$500/month is criminal. You can't even pay rent with that. That's 1 day of work for me and that's her monthly.
"Kurosanji no!"
Kurosanji: "What?"
"Sorry, force of habit."
*Kusosanji...
I fucking thought the same
Give it time, they’ll find a way to (is it still called “topping” if it’s worse?) it soon enough
@NotsilYmerej I think the term you were looking for, is: dig a deeper hole
I am here as soon as I see it and thought "What kind of atrocities did they do this time"
Humanity should have forced Ninjisanji executives to be conscripted into Ukraine's army back in 2014
@@christiandauz3742 wasn't it the RUSSIAN ARMY wanting more meats?
I first heard of her on one of her ads so I checked her channel, subbed, one day her profile pic was gone, realized she's terminated and found out what her agency did to her. As bad as they were, not even nijisanji pulled a stunt this outrageous as far I know. It really sucks.
The Niji issue has continued snowballing to the point of absurdity, both in internal issues and anti-Niji behavior
@@Tahanok2 True, at this point I don't watch most Vtuber news channels because the anti niji sentiment is too strong and feels like a vendetta at this point, and I've stopped watching all the talent because it's exhausting....
>not even nijisanji pulled a stunt this outrageous
yet
@@nowaxapen Fr. now most of the videos are "Niji liver said X" followed by REEEEEEEEEEEE Niji Bad.
The hate has gone well beyond holding a company accountable and now both sides just fight like children in comments sections lol.
To be fair, there are a number of cases where seemingly the only reason Niji wasn't as bad is because even they couldn't conceptualise getting away with quite That level of nonsense, and are staggeringly incompitent at actually following through on such things (the number of Nijisanji NDAs that are completely void because they couldn't even get the name of the other party right or similar nonsense...)
Thanks for amplifying this one as well, literally the most insane attempt to blackmail a talent financially.
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It's The Man, The Myth, The Legend himself
Days without controversy in the Vtuber community: 0
Most days without controversy in the Vtuber community: 2
Now that's just not true
Yeah, that 2 should be a 1.5
Days without controversy in the Vtuber community: 0
Most days without controversy in the Vtuber community: Also 0
Considering hololive has been around for so long with rare controversies or phase connect
Demandin’ an ex-talent pays you $400k is big talk for a company that wont travel overseas to pursue legal action. 🤨
Because they can't due to extortion at that point and can't force you pay back all the money that is earned. They should call an L on this one.
@@Goldenjews1234 yea she could win that and then resue for the damages they caused they really goofy bru i swear these vtuber companies are slow asl 😅
@@Goldenjews1234especially if theres proof of them not holding up to there end of the bargain
brb gonna email v&u for a contract real quick im sure nothing bad will happen
Leak it to the public.
i miss the good ole days when vigilantes would punish bad behavior. Seemed like the world was a better place when people where punished for being A-holes to people.
@@Daytruinriiiight, vigilante punishment was always so just and never targeting innocent people or handing down severe punishments for minor actions
@@cooltwittertag considering the ease of getting information to avoid "innocent people" from getting hurt now with the internet, I'd say bring it back in, but you strike me as a person who believes the victims of pdfiles are the perpetrators and not the children hurt by them
@@vexile1239 you sound like the kind of person to sho-ot an innocent man because some talking head on the internet told you hes something hes not, which is why you feel so trig-gered by my statement
I worked for a company that tried me to sign a non-compete and an NDA when they laid me off after working there for two months. The non-compete was so badly written you couldn't even work as a receptionist for the competition, and the NDA was ridiculous for someone who had only seen welcome power points. Apparently V&U hired the same Fiverr lawyer.
I've experienced some truly outrageous contract attempts just working as a software engineer. I can't imagine how much worse it must be in fields where the company at times tries to specifically select people who are vulnerable to being exploited/not reading their contract.
One time where I was working for a company that (ironically) was a RUclips MCN, (mainly working on the software that interfaced with RUclips to handle things like revenue and analytics), I had made an offhand comment about our pay to some of the other programmers (along the lines of "I'm paid X and that's not enough to put up with Y"). A few hours later the CEO of the company walked into our room where we did the programming and just straight up said "none of you are allowed to discuss salaries with each other".
I turned to my supervisor and told him "I'm going to go take a 2 hour lunch while I think about whether I want to keep working here or would rather report the CEO to the National Labor Relations Board and the California Labor Board. If I come back from lunch, I decided to keep working here."
When I came back from lunch, the CEO pulled me into a meeting and flat out begged me to not quit.
Companies do more and more illegal stuff until they find out what people will actually push back on.
Relationshit over now, until death do us part! Women Studies huzzah peasant!
@@jordanledoux197 I will never NOT read a contract cuz what the hell?
Well, I've been laid off from my job. I can't wait to see if my soon to be ex employer pulls a V&U or are reasonable people.
years and years ago I had worked at a walmart as just a part time gig to pick up some extra money in winter time, worked in their garage changing oil, they basically fired a guy but had him sign a paper first an he did without looking an basically was a paper saying he quit so he couldn't get unemployment, they tried to do the same thing to me but I kept refusing to sign it I said if your going to fire me then fire me but im not quitting or signing anything an they legit sat there for a half hour trying to get me to sign this thing an the guy stood up in my face like he was gonna get physical which was the store gm eventually they told me to get out when time came for unemployment they were so bad at lying including about trying to trick me into signing that thing that the person monitoring the conversation on the phone laughed at them an gave me the unemployment an that gm was fired a year later for millions missing. All this was over helping a customer get a piece of metal that was stuck in his brake pad which we weren't suppose to be working on. They also were mad that we were doing oil changes to fast because their policy is to make customers wait 45mins for oil 2 hrs for anything else even if it takes 10 mins because they wanted you to walk around the store an spend more money. We had to sign a nda and weren't allowed to speak to any press or anyone.
You’d think this was Nijisanji but no. V&U really said “hold my idol body pillow” when it comes to bad management
I feel like every corrupt Vtuber company has just decided that they want to have a competition of who makes the absolute worst business decisions.
Like what the heck is this!?
Microsoft and Sony all over again!?
Didn't expect to see Riot here.
Also, at least it wasn't "WACTOR" or "Project F" levels or nonsense.
@@Power-9Hunnid yo Power! At least it wasn’t that bad but it’s still pretty bad, this contract screams extortion in all capital letters
@@Power-9HunnidArguably, it IS, sadly. Both are court of justice levels of mismanagement.
I’m not even a part of any vtuber community, yet watching all this content, can’t help, the storytelling is too good. And the stories themselves are absolutely crazy.
Real 😆
In the same boat lol. The drama from the agencies alone is crazy interesting lol
@@Markel_GR Though it's scary at how miniscule the drama is for Vtubers, compared to basically any other Media Idol industry from places like Korea and Japan.
Each passing day i have nightmares of seeing a Job Application
why do i feel like Vtuber Drama is always popping up these days and Mujin is the news anchor for these dramas
That's your algorithm
Mujin isn't alone. There's both FalseEyed and Khyo, as well as non-vtuber-content channels like Hero Hei
Mujin is actually a newcomer! Falseeyed and khyo has been at it since forever.
@@alyasVictorioFalseEyed and Khyo are horrible places to get your news. They’re extremely biased in how they present information. Mujin is much better in that regard and mostly just neutral in his reporting, immediately making him better than them
Vtuber thingy really is complicated
As a korean, I'm proud to say our genorosity regarding coworkers and capability of writing formal documents are finally shown to the public!
(Seriously, avoid working with South Korean corporate at any cost, rather cooperate with Northern homies!)
stopped editing my mujin video to watch this
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This is the Dark Ages for the VTuber Community folks
Disagree. This is an age of reckoning, where the guilty are exposed, the unethical punished, and the innocent are rewarded.
Better the "Dark Ages" of truth and revelations than the "Golden Ages" of lies and deception.
not for Indies :) i stopped watching corpos in 2022 and i only support independent talents now. im not paying money to any corpo they all abuse their talents. there are plenty of successful streamers on Twitch and RUclips that are their own boss that make more money than some of the corpos. and guess what? they can play any game they want and collab with whoever they want
The selen tatsuki really a can opener, to shade the light on dark side of vtubing, and company human exploitation.
At this point let's end the world.
corruption exists at every part of the world
@@whimsicalchronicles8798 even my country is where corruption still rampant.
"500 USD a month" bro I earn three times that much working retail part-time💀
I make that much a WEEK working as a security guard. Aiyiyi...
(Including benefits)
I get almost double that at a gas station part time job being paid biweekly
Jesus, I earn twice as much working as a McDonald's grunt
I earn double that working at a shoprite
I make double that in a week as a bellhop
How do you explain in court that you asked for 400k+ refund from someone you paid less than 30k during the entire time she worked for u? Like wtf? Puting in a contract that you are going to ask for 5x what you invested if she can't find it out by herself is even crazier.
Me: Ok, it's gonna be an easy-going video right?
Mujin: So picture this, ok?
Me: Oh no...
Music industry A&R’s: we’ll sign teenagers to 10-album, 20- year contracts and full recuperables
V&U agency: Hold this v-tuber rig that’s not even ours
I heard things like this are normal in k-pop things
@@Fishman465the usual thing is that you become a trainee as a teen, while learning to be an idol you gather dept cuz company pays for your training. Then when you debut the standard is a 7-year contract. For a good while most of the money you make goes to paying off the dept. If you try to leave before the contract expires it is very hard, cuz usually they are written inna predatory way. If you violate the contract you might get kicked out of the company and even blacklisted. Music industry is fcked up as a whole, but Korean seems to be next level tbh. The amount of stuff we learn when some idols sue their companies or leave the industry is crazy. But also how much money the idols earn depends heavily on the company, cuz some might not even be predatory, but simply all the money the idol earns need to be reinvested in order to keep them afloat. Crazy stuff tbh
HELP WHAT??? EVERY SINGLE MONEY SHE GOT AND THEY WANT IT BACK BECAUSE SHE RESIGNED???
Oh wait I need to watch the video
Thats like turning 18 and your parents go: well now you gotta pays all the meals we made for you
@@CCHO12346"Oh you cant remember how much? Dont be afraid! We'll calculate it for you,five times of it obviously"
@@thenewbie6335With a little unexplained extra cost written down as "etc."
@@CCHO12346 No this is worse. This is like working at McD's and then when you quit they want you to give them back all the money they paid you while you were working because they consider those to be their damages. Even though that is what they paid you in exchange for you working for them and making them money during that time period.
Funny you mention Niji since there're a lot of paralleles to Zaion's termination. The smear attempt, the extortion (niji's talent must pay their own model but everything from the theme to the quality is decided by the compagny) and the "sisters" going for the throat on her.
Since everything is much smaller, it didn't get as messy as Niji and ended much faster.
One thing I want to add is the fact that V&U invested a lot in their talents after Solstice : 3D chibi, full 3D MV, short in the same vein of hologra voice by the talents. With Niji outed as keeping all the money for themselves, it was a good sign ! How blind we were ! And yet, for the OGs, the sign were here since their first talents expressing distress over the stress, the lack of merch and other things.
Another real problem here : most of the talent in the first, second and third gen are south Korean and live in South Korea. The contract is enforceable for them, as ridiculous as it seems.
Sad reality. You dont know how bad it is, until its so bad that even week old corpse smells more appetizing.
If true, that is unbelievable that South Korea allows companies to force their employees to pay the company for their own labor.
@@xraze6906 The law protect the talents but do they know that ? I doubt it.
There's too much abuse and corruption in Vtuber contracts
The crazy thing is this could be life ruining. Not just career ruining.
This is playing with the lives of people and could put someone in crippling debt.
Withholding 2 months and extra of payment is also illegal
sadly it was the meteoric rise of vtubrs' popularity in the past few years, people wanted the ideal job of working as a content creator from home and getting paid bank for it, which isn't the case unless you have a massive channel, and so many companies saw a way to exploit those people who they knew would skim over their contracts and sign on the dotted line no questions asked.
All the company had to do was dangle some shiny things in front of them and wait for the people to bite. The acting/music/modeling industry does the same thing.
@@citizenspaghetti I'm not really knowledged in acting or whatever but yea I also know how Music and modeling often have quite corrupt systems. ESPECIALLY modeling IMO. It's just crazy to me. Being naive and compulsive is bad, yes. But taking advantage of it is simply disgusting.
@satanm8c40 modeling is definitely the worst of the bunch. At least a vtubr doesn't have the pressure to look a certian way and be forced to maintain it.
Yeah, the fault lies 75% with the shady agency 25% with the impulsive and dumb person. The average liver is usually college-aged, so they don't have the real-world experience to know when someone is taking them for a ride. All they see is "I'm gonna be the next Ironmouse," and the agency will gladly let them believe it to get a signature on that paper.
@citizenspaghetti I wouldn't say any of the fault lies with the Vtuber
Being Naive and compulsive is bad but it doesn't warrant abuse and doesn't dissolve any of the fault of the agencies themselves. If it did you could also go as far as to claim a murder victim holds some fault for being out at night in an alleyway. It's dumb but doesn't dissolve the murderer of his fault.
@satanm8c40 A bit different than being a victim of a crime. Being a victim isn't a choice. Signing an employment contract is.
Anyone signing a contract is under the obligation to understand its terms. In this case, the contract wasn't properly written and had terms that wouldn't be considered legally binding. Any lawyer could have told Serafi that after a few minutes of reading it. Hell, after seeing that shit show of a contract, I could have told her it was ludacris and she should run for the hills and I run a restaurant.
However, if it had been written properly and still exploited the worker, then they would be in for a very long battle in court to fight it.
The music industry has tons of examples of that happening. Look at what happened to Kesha. Her contract was insane but written so that it was legal. She was told she would be rich and famous if she signed, and the reality was she was signing away everything to the label.
The contract was probably structured by a greedy “businessman” who have no legal common sense and is just daydreaming throughout the whole process.
And someone had to draft it and/or translate it
I wouldn't be surprised if this contract can be enforced in Korea tho, but yea not in USA or any other country that doesn't allow slavery by contract...
That's just south korean business. Most confuscian countries have absolutely horrific labor contracts.
@@N0xiety yup the in Entirety of the EU and in Canada this would be illegal and if anything EU lawmakers would 100% go after the company.
@@giantmastersword This one seems to be completely beyond even that, I have to say. If absolutely nothing else, it doesn't even attempt to specify which venue to use! Wild.
I follow three Vtuber agencies. V&U, Vreverie, and Phase Connect. All three have had some level of drama but by far the worst has come from V&U with Vreverie coming in a close second. Yes losing over 60% of your talents due to mismanagement in a few months looks terrible but I think what V&U has done is worse.
Remembering that Ophelia, Rana, Erika and Cheri graduated around early this year still bums me out.
Jesus, early 2024 is rough time.
@@protostnl6369Cheri and Ophelia are active in their PL’s (and are doing very well).
Has erika came back as someone else yet?
East Asia's legal standards are insane. SK basically lets the company own you, and in Japan you can get sued for defamation and lose even if everything you say is true and provable.
Thank goodness confuscian values never took off in the west...
Then there's China's "legal system" which I doubt needs any introduction.
@@giantmastersword confucianism is chinese, so idk why thats relevent when were discussing korea and japan, both of which have been nearly built from the ground up by the US after ww2 and take many values from "western" ideals ??
@@XiaoYueMao Confusianism was still an important foundational ideology for both countries through most of history. The American-led reconstructions did change some aspects of political culture, but a few years won't uproot centuries of tradition
@@salter1630tell that to Mao Zedong
15:45 Just a clarification on the non-compete clause legality. The ruling is not retroacive and won't go into effect until September 4th so there's still plenty of time to sign those abusive contracts.
It is retroactive actually, for everyone except company executives.
@@lewax00 Oh I see. Thanks for the correction.
@@lewax00 my understanding is that it cannot be retroactive (retroactively applicable laws cause a LOT of problems of the sort that most funcitonal governments put significant efforts into avoiding), in the sense that no one can get in trouble for anything done before the law came into effect, but it can absolutely apply, as of that date, to contracts made before that point, funcitonally causing all non-compete clauses (well, those it applies to, seems there are some limited exceptions?) to terminate at that point.
this year's definitely not for vtubers lmao
These are the times where I’m so happy I grew up surrounded by lawyers because “You don’t sign ANY contract that you haven’t fully read, comprehended and checked with a lawyer” was hammered into my head pretty early on.
OH NO HE UPLOUDED (got the popcorn tho)
For some reason I read it as APPLAUDED and UPLOADED at the same time???
@@imnevergonnaloveagain HELPSJIAAJIAJAIA WHATAJAMAJAKAKAKA😭😭😭😭
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You can't imagine my surprise to find out nijisanji was not behind this one
Legit, saw the vid and was like "What the hell did Niji do this time~!?"
finding out that Niji was not behind this was quite a shock
"We tried to blackmail her to pay us $400k, we're truly shocked that she wasn't happy with that"
Man RIP Serafi...may she find peace
Maybe she didn't die... she just went home
Maybe she became an alien after all of that trauma
@@dsuffers3032 I mean technically an Angel is just an extraterrestrial from a certain point of view... maybe she was always an alien and just dropped the Angel motif
@@rwg6357as possible as that is, dont give me Ancient Aliens flashback, please
Was she an indie VTuber before this? Or was this her first VTuber?
what is going on with vtubers the amount of drama there is is crazy i hope theyre ok 😭
Should go to show how broad the community is despite it being a niche. It seems like a huge deal, and yet it has very little bearing on Indies or the other companies
Korean/japanese companies expoiting teens and young adults as entertainers isnt new, the idol industry has always been like this. The Vtuber side of thing just exposes this to a larger audience.
HOW IS IT CRAZIER THAN THE BACKSTORY OF HER CHARACTER WTH
Why is every vtuber drama I hear of so insane and illegal 😭
honestly? vtubers just want to get into the gig so badly as its more of a hobby than a job, so they signup with whoever offers first and dont even bother checking if things are aboveboard
@@XiaoYueMao truee
Thing will never stay not insane when it so big that they are enlisted as stock.
Fun thing always turn insane when money involves.
akin to idol/showbiz industry. in every new and popular media there's bound to be controversy waiting in to happen
Everytime I have the urge to become a Vtuber, I watch Mujin's videos. It helps me stay away even further by the day. Thanks Mujin!!
If you want to be vtuber
read or RE READ the contract of the vtuber company so that you can not become sl ave in under the company
Corpo Vtuber agencys really took in the worst of idol culture huh? Theres a wide range between bad and good (thankfully), but I really don't understand how they treat their streamers.
Its like, the Name and the Avatar is worth more then the Person behind it....Which is just not true and wouldn't work alone.
You can broadly break the Vtuber agencies into three catagories: the good ones, the bad ones, and the ones we don't yet know enough about to say.
The good ones? They're basically exactly what they look like... so long as you remember that the talents are absolutely working regular 9-5+ hours, 5+ days a week to achieve that because there is a LOT of behind the scenes work that has to get done on top of the streams, videos, live appearances, concerts etc. that you actually See (well, less for the smaller outfits that don't go as insanely all out, but still a significant amount of work). They get compensation, holidays, opportunities, and working conditions that absolutely make it worth it though.
The bad ones? Well, often it's the worst of the black company part of the idol industry merged with scammy tech bro garbage, and often more of a get rich quick scheme than an actual business. (sometimes it's more a matter of incompitence and then a mad scramble to keep things afloat that ultimately doesn't pan out, but those tend to follow a rather different pattern of failure.)
They really wrote and looked at the contract and thought “Yep, looks good!”
VTubers: acts insane
VTuber management: actually insane
Hollywoke making nothing but trash no one wants to see.
Music industry being exposed for (illegally moving underaged people and brainwashing)
V-Tuber industry corps being exposed for the shady POS it really is.
2024 is insane period. 😂
Hi Mujin! I LOVE your channel and it has been such a wonderful experience watching it grow. I absolutely ADORE how it slowly became a place shit on crappy vtuber companies! It was very wholesome.
A lot of companies try to cheat the system with fine print saying "users always have to take our side". Even by the time of Diablo 3 Reforged, this was called out as not legally binding, or at least not as much as country laws
Vtuber's companies are doing their best to be the worst companies I see
Meanwhile YAGOO is crying from successful broken dream xD
What about fishman and his sad girl company? I think they're doing fairly well except one person breaching reasonable contract
When you fail so bad, that you end up wiping your tears with stacks of bills:
THE FACT THAT THAT V&U MADE THE FIRST TWEET ABOUT HER HIATUS ON MY BDAY LMAOOO
I don't understand why people see these predatory contracts like "looks good to me, signed"
Because joining these companies is one of very few ways to get recognized. You either stream for years with only 5 viewers in an attempt to get recognized... or join a company that will instantly give you thousands of viewers at the low price of your soul.
They likely aren't reading them or understanding them.
@@dizz6340 exactly it's just like the old Macinima contracts. And Just like Macinima 90% of the time after you sign them they basically ignore you when you need something.
Frankly, in this case signing it isn't really a problem if you're really on the ball. As mentioned in the video, the thing wasn't even enforceable in an American court.
@PhysicsGamer yea that was another Macinima thing. The second you got a lawyer involved when trying to get out of your contract they gave up.
I love how Mujin is always on the verge of cracking up or straight up losing it throughout the video, he‘s so funny
This year really isn't the year for Vtubers huh..
On the contrary, look at how Dokibird has revived. A paradigm has shifted.
The absolute IRONY of me getting an ad of a Vtuber FROM THE V&U AGENCY IN THIS VIDEO.
At this point going Indie might even have less of a risk than joining a company with how wild these terminations are getting
It is so funny that the lawyer just said ghost them because that's exactly what I would have wanted to do in this situation
Bro, these videos give me better gossip and news than what I see in mexican news channels and novelas or dramas
I would like to point out, that in Poland we have a law about NDA's, in order a company to enforce it on someone, you have to pay them at least the same amount montly as you payed them as employee, and NDA ends the moment company stops paying
Day 71 thanking Mujin for making my day
Man, I'm so glad I'm still learning and not working but damn both ways are hard. I guess it's the best to be self employed
Always going to be a good day when you upload
1:01 sounds very familiar to a job I have done before....
Was a fan and was so busy with work I didn't notice she was gone time just flew by and I was wondering when she'd come back till this popped up in my feed.
😕 how the hell did they even manage to get away with that level of corporate crimes?
South korean bureaucracy
They make their own rules as they go.
Zhongli be like “you will suffer the wrath of the rock or uh…. Do you have any…mora on you..?” In all seriousness though this is really really sad.
I saw the notification pops up and sees Vtuber in the thumbnail and my thought is how how we all think "Ah shit here we go again"
1:53 PARDON ME?
did he stutter 💀
i saw your comment and was like "what can he say for him to get a comment like that" 💀
amazing video U made :D!
I swear, this is one of the reasons I'm so hesitant in anything to do with companies. There's a very few that actually care for their talents in any way.
Indeed. The good ones are very good.
The bad ones are very bad.
There are a lot more bad ones than good ones.
And then, of course, there's the inevitable issue of what happens when there is a change in ownership...
Love how Mujin is becoming the Asmongold of VTubing
I swear Mujin is the happiest dramatuber I've ever seen. Keep enjoyin' life mah dude.
Finally a vid 🎉🎉🎉!!
I'm kind of glad that japanese and korean business practices are getting publicity like this. ... because this is common.
Bruh, can like, vtubers not have a problem for A WEEK.
ONE WEEK, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2024 has been a bad year for Company Vtubers (except Hololive).
Rise of Indie now finally.
I would say phase connect and idol Corp are doing fairly well, though I did hear that one of phase's talents did something they shouldn't have and was terminated because of it
What the heck is going on with Vtubers and Vtuber companies in 2024!?
Why has it only been now that everything is starting to occur like what the heck 😂
In fact, apart from a few, corpo overlords have always acted like this. It's just that now the international public is involved. A public that simply despises this Asian culture of submission to corporations, and is therefore willing to expose all the bullshit they do.
People are finally realizing that these companies don't have to own your soul. All these laws for "protecting corporations" make them feel invincible. ... and they are, in their own countries. They take their talent for granted, and now they have to accept that their slave contracts are unenforceable.
Why do people keep signing these wackass contracts? At this point I’m convinced they’re not reading them when signing 😭
Some of the companies involved in these contract "issues" apply a great deal of pressure on their potential talents or talents to sign the contracts without letting them read it or get a lawyer to read it
Because agencies like these guarantee that you get views. You either stream for 5 viewers until you give up on your dream, or join a big company that will get your name out in the public. Those are the options.
When will companies learn that being predatory towards their employees just does not make sense for the long term.
V&U and Nijisanji competing to see who can be the *WORST VTUBER COMPANY, EVER.*
Unrelated but YOUR GIGGLES AND LAUGHS ARE SO CONTAGIOUS!!!! I’m a new sub to the channel and I’ve been loving all your content so much!!!
See, this is why before you sign a contractor-based employment contract, you should probably look it over and give it to a lawyer. Man, all these agencies are just shit.
I don't even think it's legal to tell someone to pay back their salary to their employer if the employee already successfully completed all requirements of their contract. You can't undo someone's time and effort and energy they expended doing the work, and all work needs to be compensated.
At this time we need to get personal lawyer to accompany us to job interview for viewing their contract if they valid or nah
Contract lawyers make a lot of money looking over contracts with you. Every city has at least one.
I watch her and I’m glad she continued to entertain. She’s funny asf!
Never watched her during the V&U days, but I do now❤
I am not even suprised about the vtube companies at this point
16:25 Somebody probably already pointed it out, but the contract said that arbitration will take place in Seoul, South Korea. (Of course a corporation is using an arbitration clause 🤢, it's like night and day, really.)
Which is completely unenforceable according to LegalMindset since the work is being conducted within the U.S., not in Korea.
The V tubers from America should propably just sign the contract ending their signature with V.C. idk if it works in American law but in Dutch law it basically means they forced you to sign this and that you are not entirely (or completely) in accordance with the terms of said contract
Yup. Where I live that's called "Firma en disconformidad", and means exactly the same. Is really useful in labor disputes. Removing benefits? "I read it, but I disagree". Hired as full remote during the pandemic and now being forced to go to the office? Excuse me, let me talk to my lawyer real quick. (Runs to update their résumé)
Ah, i forget if it was V&U or another corpo, but when their contract or behind the scenes was exposed, people call the CEO out for literally tries to turn their VTuber into his harem.
Was it "WACTOR" levels of disgust?
@@Power-9Hunnid loke i said, i dont remember the corpo. You sure it isnt actually WACTOR?
It was AkioAir. The CEO force the girls to play online games with him.
@@DeltaAlternative-bk7nj ah, thanks
1 minute and 42 seconds in and this already sounds like the most illegal contract ever XD
At this point I think that the vtuber companies just don’t want to give you money anymore, also why is all my favorite vtubers leaving... I’m honestly beginning to believe that vtubers is a thing of the past lol
Nah, things will get better. Just gotta keep the international vtubing scene from becoming the toxic cesspit that japan's irl idol scene has become.
Shoutout to the different outros in every video I love them 😭
Nijisanji retirement home? (Flashes VSHOJO) XD I died
The carnival music as you review the contract is perfect
new video let's gooo
God, I've subscribed to Serafi since 2023, and she was really was a nice angel. Now I see why her channel has been wiped of its contents since I checked her channel after I've forgotten her.
While serafi left, i hope maeve is fine in VNU. She just hit 100k subs recently too
First mistake was being "friends" with HR 😂😂
Damn, 2024 is a really fuck up year for Vtubers huh, now imagine 2025 lmao
mujin talks about vtuber drama is the best thing i had ever encountered thank you
Asian Corporation try not to be scummy challenge: impossible
Western corporations: WRITE THAT DOWN ANYWAY
Literally everyone: Please, god no.