There’s a theory being that Adam is in heaven cuz he didn’t eat the apple so he doesn’t know right or wrong which is actually a very logical conclusion based on what we know
So it's not how you act, that brings you into hell, but acting bad, even though you know it's bad does. Interesting idea. That would mean adam would be judged like a toddler doing "bad" stuff? That only works on adam, though. Since some sinners, that we have already seen, seem to think themselfs to be in the right to do what they did (for example the dude from Ohio in the helluva boss pilot, who couldn't comprehent, why he got executed for "lovingly killing his wife")
@@p3chv0gel22 so this idea only works with Adam because everyone else the children of Eve who did eat the apple so they’re off rip sinner vs Adam who is a human who doesn’t know anything about good or bad is an exception to this rule
@@p3chv0gel22It's kind of a thing in Christianity. If you commit a sin because you didn't know it was a sin you didn't actually commit a sin, if you were forced to do it it is specifically attributed to the person who forced you to do it. Catholics, for one, define sin as intentional and willing rejection of the love of God. (Essentially breaking his rules, but also denouncing him, for example) Since Adam was unaware, in Catholic understanding he would be sinless, moreso fully sinless since he wasn't struck by the primordial sin. (Though he should also be immortal in that case, since the primordial sin is supposed to be what makes humans mortal(
This was a really interesting theory, but it does seem a lot more likely that there is something helping to guide souls, as Vox would most likely choose to go to heaven, and there is also the fact sir pentious appeared in front of Sera and Emily instead of the gates for unknown reasons. Great video though.
"choice" may not be the best word as it's not necessarily a conscious decision rather than a subconscious expectation. st peter seems kind of pointless, though? like sera even says that they know a soul deserves to be in heaven when that soul manifests in heaven. they don't know why, they just know that "a soul appears before us" (not at the gates) and they don't question it.
@@dietotaku Agreed. Even while alive, Vox probably recognized he was likely going to hell for his actions. However, I still hate the premise because that means good people who simply feel bad for doing something that probably wasn't a big deal goes to hell. While sociopaths and psychopaths and narcissists who usually cause a lot of real harm will go to heaven simply because they feel entitled to it.
Carmilla having large hands is also partly into her thinking selling her weapons when alive and not using them kept blood off her hands. Now her hands are massive and will be impossible to keep clean. She can't deny her involvement is sin like she did when alive
Well, Pentious is one of the few characters that aren't owned by other sinners. I can Imagine that Angel, for example, can act as good as he wants but can't be redeemed as long as his soul is tied to Valentino.
@@tobsonasanya4765 It just occurred to me a while back. While it's proof Angels soul is tied by a contract forcing him to sin, he can hardly be redeemed.
@@tobsonasanya4765 I don't have proof but I also thought of this cause in a whole system of who goes to heaven or hell and even redemption the problem whit it couldn't just be because the angels don't know how it works or cause a sinner didn't try before, just 1 or 2 ingredients doesn't make a cake, so the soul dealing causing problems in this too is a good aswer along with the other factors since the soul is part of you and is now tied and lost to a contract with a sinner or hellborn and with that in hell, it would be liked if you gave your documents to someone or left it in a place so in turn you cannot go to some areas since you need to identify yourself.
That's a possibility. Though it really depends on what the show considers to be the rules of heaven, and I don't think it's anything we really have in irl Christianity. Mostly because of the kids in cannibal town. Pretty much all Christian denominations have the concept of an "age of accountability" where before a certain age you cannot be held accountable for sin because you aren't aware that you're committing a sin. In some branches too, there's a rule that if somebody forces you to sin, then it's on them not on you. But since there's kids in hell, I don't think any irl rules apply to the show
Before the rules were set, it wasn’t clear, But now they are, they may be arbitrary bullshit, but they are clear rules, and all it takes is to not break them. Which is hilarious concept, and i like this,
This is kinda terrifying in terms of heaven. If believing in your actions based on whatever sins you may or may not have committed is what determines whether you manifest in heaven or hell, learning about that could cause a massive shift in souls. People who generally believed themselves to be good based solely on the fact that they manifested in heaven will be largely forced to reconsider since if a soul can remanifest in heaven by the belief that they can be redeemed, it may very well be possible to remanifest in hell after dying in heaven. This could even turn into a massive problem as now certain people who may have developed beef over the years, believing that they are stuck with one another could potentially bully someone out of heaven should they belittle them enough to make the other think they deserve damnation.
I think I’ve seen a similar theory in an fanfic. Basically guilt over your sins is what condemned you to Hell rather than the sins themselves. If you think you are unworthy of Heaven, you were judged as such and kicked down.
@@mercedesbenz6657 Radio Healed the Video Star on ao3. There is a lot going on in this story and it was written during the wait between the pilot and the official series.
Pentious' ascension does raise many questions. Obviously, the big one is if one can die redeemed in Hell and wind up in Heaven, then can the reverse be true? But also, how many times can this happen? Can a soul just go from one to the other indefinitely, or is there actually a limit to how often they can change realms? 🤔
i think it wouldn't make a lot of sense for someone to believe themselves fit for hell, be redeemed *and* killed (necessary to remanifest in either realm), ascend to heaven, then turn back around and revert to total scumbag and be killed *again* just to remanifest back in hell. if there is some outside influence determining who goes where, then it's probably one round trip max - so adam could potentially remanifest in hell and have to actually redeem himself and be killed again in order to get back into heaven, but i don't see anyone who started out in hell and made it to heaven ending up back in hell again, much less "redeeming" themselves AGAIN to get back to heaven.
This could actually explain why Molly's in heaven (assuming her original backstory still applies). Even if she wasn't nearly as ruthless and murderous as her father and Aracniss and not incredibly lustful like Angel she was still part of the Mafia and probably did get her hands dirty to some extent. However she might have left that life behind after her twin brother died or tried to make amends in general and believed herself worthy of heaven in the end.
To me, I don’t think Sir Pentious knew he’d actually get into Heaven based on how surprised he was. He may have believed in Charlie’s dream and gave redemption a chance, but he mainly was happy to have a safe place where he had friends, could be vulnerable and didn’t need to constantly try to conquer in order to prove himself, so him defending the hotel was him genuinely just trying to do what he could to save the hotel and his friends; he definitely didn’t think he was going to come back since he kissed Cherri Bomb and confessed his feelings.❤ If you are right about belief coming into play and that empathetic people are more likely to go to Hell for even minor things they feel bad about, that would be really tragic.😢 Also, I see you PlushCut.😳😠
I still love that when Adam answers ugly people when Charlie says about their shared problem he looks at the viewer that’s actually really funny because the joke is of course that we are ugly
Pentagram Moon might be Purgatory/Limbo? A state of unknowing where to go. We could see Samael incorporated as its sort of protector, helping people discover their truths and what afterlife they belong to. This could be a rare process that only helps Winners, but that's only speculation.
i love this theory SO MUCH because it ties in to what i see as the preponderance of scientific evidence of how the "afterlife" actually works in reality. a few things we know for empirical fact, based on studying people who have had near-death experiences and been clinically dead for varying amounts of time: (1) as the brain dies, one's perception of the passage of time stretches out. 10 seconds feels like, say, 10 minutes, 10 minutes feels like 10 days, an hour feels like 10 years, and so on into infinity; (2) to alleviate or distract oneself from the pain and terror of dying, the brain generates hallucinations which seem to be almost entirely based on one's expectations of what will happen next. hence, people see visions of departed loved ones, and experience a glimpse of whatever kind of afterlife they expect they are headed for (most people see heaven, naturally, but a few people have reported visions of *hell* and, once revived, unburdened their souls of whatever guilt they were feeling for their transgressions). so in this sense you see how the overwhelming majority of people in "hell" fit a stereotype of people who "belong" there; alastor was a serial killer cannibal who probably practiced voodoo, where else would he expect to go? adam and lute perfectly represent the kind of belligerently religious person who is not only convinced that they're going to heaven despite their abhorrent behavior but BECAUSE of it, they believe they are exerting "god's will on earth" and will be rewarded for their cruelty. and so they go where they expected to go and continue on as they always have. meanwhile because it's actually all a hallucination, no soul is actually trapped anywhere so long as they believe there is a way out. even the souls killed by angelic weapons still re-manifest in hell, just in a different form because that is what they have been told happens. once pentious is convinced that redemption is possible, that's exactly what happens to him when he confesses his feelings and puts his life on the line to defend his friends. his mortal brain is *still dying* at this point, but the time dilation and hallucinations have influenced his subconscious expectations and so he "re-manifests in heaven."
The real reason angels seem so terrible? Imagine this you’ve been hanging out in heaven for 5 million years and you get bored. You decide **** this I want to do something new! And then the corruption sets in.
There's another theory floating around that heaven might actually have a population cap. This has to do with some verse in the Bible I'm assuming it's in revelations about a very large but specific number and if Adam died like permanently died that would mean a space was cleared up for a redeem sinner.
@@CherryCrystalBall They better hope that's not how it works because that means heaven was full 2,000 years ago with people only from those specific tribes mentioned and everyone else is going to hell. XD
I believe in the Hazbin-verse (and for real life) all humans were originally meant to go to Heaven when they died but after evil found its way to earth, H*ll was created, and the divine order shattered making it so not all humans were good enough for Heaven even in the AD era, but all that’s changing with Charlie who’s not only fixing the order but improving it BTW I think the reason (Hazbin) Adam is in Heaven is because unlike Eve and his real life counterpart he never ate the fruit of knowledge their for never been capable of fully comprehending the difference between good and evil so I highly doubt going into Heaven or H*ll is a choice in the Hazbin-verse
I had an idea regarding Adam being in Heaven. Perhaps he went there because he was the first human. Due to this, he could hide under ignorance and not knowing better in regards to eating the fruit. Due to this, God or whatever force sends ppl to Heaven or Hell, decided to give him a chance to change. In the end he never changed and the only reason he was still there is cause he didn’t die, yet.
9:40 you know, those were my exact thoughts regarding the system implemented in the TV show "Lucifer". I know they say that people know deep down, but I don't think everyone would
Not to mention all the people who were told they were going to hell because they said no to their parents who wanted them to do something bad. People can be tricked into thinking they're going to hell when they're good people. And bad people can be tricked into thinking they're gong to heaven no matter what harm they cause.
If it’s true, there should be moment in the show where it’s revealed, and we see how Pentious is struggling: If he chooses Hell, he would meet Cherry again, love of his life. But he knew they would destroy all Charie’s hopes and she would doubt her doings. And if he chooses Heavens, he can rest easy, hoping that Charlie would get message from Emily about Pentious being in Heaven
My theory is that Charlie wont redeem everyone, since people like Cherry seem to be happy in hell, and it won't fit Charlies character to force those to be better And maybe heaven kinda splits over the issue of the extermination, leading to a change of goverment, that is open to more friendly relations with hell, so they may need some embassador in hell. And who would be better fir that job than the only person, who actually manifested in both realms? This would allow both Cherry to stay in hell, fighting, blowing stuff up, whatever she wants and pentious to be able to see his loved one, since as an embassador, he'd be able to go down there
The idea that you go wherever you think you deserve to could certainly explain Adam being in heaven, but he's also the only confirmed human soul in heaven that we actually meet, and even among humans, he could be a bit of an exception. I also like the idea that he's never shown or said to have eaten the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, so he's innocent by default because he's literally incapable of knowing right from wrong.
I dunno. Sir Pentious didn’t seem like he considered himself destined to Heaven when he wound up there in utter confusion. My guess is that he unknowingly found the path of redemption after he apologized to Charlie, made legit friends out of the hotel staff and confessed his true feelings to Cherry, hereby dropping the thing that kept him anchored to Hell. The only reason that Adam was allowed into Heaven, it seems, is due to his position as the first mortal man. Either Heaven made a special exception of him because of his circumstances, or there’s also the possibility that the opposite with Sir Pentious can happen in Heaven - that a Winner’s soul could wind up becoming corrupt and could become ‘fallen’. Either way, the enigmatic power behind this system is what intrigues me. It seems like it’s conscious of people’s actions since it brought Sir Pentious to Heaven without his knowledge, and yet the angels don’t seem to know the exact rules. Given that God is noticeably absent in the series, I suspect that he is either behind this system or he is the one who put it in place, and in his absence, the angels in charge are unaware of how it operates.
The cherubs reminds me of Care Bears that have to keep good feelings around or convince the person to live . So - the souls have time to redeem themselves on Earth: plot twist, to prevent them from entering Heaven for the longest time.
It could also partly being running on Little Nicky logic with doing something good before you die (or in this case die again) helps get you into Heaven. And doing something bad helps earn you a spot in Hell.
I think god is the one who decides who is gets to go heaven or hell. Even though we haven’t seen or at least been mentioned yet in either shows, I still think god is playing an important role in the future.
@@rainbowquartz9513Not only that, but a lot of stuff from the pilot/past livestreams doesn’t apply to the show (such as Charlie’s last name, Vaggie originally being a sinner, and so on)
K so the reason Adam is there bc when he died, he deserved to be in heaven, but then as the years when on and his feelings marinated, he got arrogant. So yeah the “angels can do whatever and remain in the sky” is most likely true. My personal side theory is that in order to switch to whatever you actually belong to, you need to die first, hence why angel wasn’t in heaven, and why I believe Adam will become a sinner.
8:21 if so I’m wondering why the overlords killed by Alastor didn’t manifest back in hell. Maybe tearing their souls apart sends them to a true hell with no escape or they reincarnate back in the living world.
The one big wrench in the theory of Sir Pentious CHOOSING to go to Heaven is that the very last thing he did was wage war against Heaven while defending his home in Hell. On top of that, Sir Pentious didn't wake up at the pearly gates. He got dropped right into Sera's and Emily's living room. Almost as if whatever cosmic force sent him to Heaven wanted to make sure, not just that he got in, but that the person most likely to oppose his entry knew damn well that it was for real and not to be questioned. I think there is a greater power, and I'll even go the extra mile and say that Hell is an intentional (or at least accepted after the fact) component of the grand design, both so that Heaven can exist in contrast as opposed to just in ignorance, and so that sinners -- even if only a very rare few -- can be molded by all the trials of Hell into angels most powerful (or at least the most durable) than have ever been seen before. So... Yeah, I'm accepting a "greater power" narrative. Though I suspect it will have to be one that Sera and co. will have to accept will go completely unseen and remain unknowable except in these exceptionally rare of instances.
I think it would be interesting to see how heaven's population would react to knowing about how the exterminations happen. Would their opinions change? What about potential family members (like Molly for example)
You know what would be funny?! If Adam changed the rules the moment he wrote that sheet of paper so now anyone that meets that criteria will get into heaven. I do agree on the afterlife is a choice. I like to think you look at your life without knowing it’s your life and judge whether that person should go to heaven or hell. I’d like to think that it’s thanks to Charlie giving him a second chance that he got into heaven.
I think that Adam is a special case. Since in the opening he isn’t by Eve’s side when given the fruit I think that he doesn’t know anything about good and evil by default…. Therefore his seemingly narcissistic trait becomes more of a child that never learned what’s good or evil
I have an alternative idea: I think Adam put Sir Pentious into heaven unintentionally through killing him. Hear me out: hell is the final chance for souls that due to various sins fail to go to heaven. When they manage to redime themselves in hell through a selfless act of love they go to heaven when killed by an exorist otherwise they die for good. It could also be that they need to meet certain criteria decided by the angles and you could argue that Sir Pentious through his sacrifise checked Adam's list. This would also explain why no demon before him manifested in heaven after being killed by the angles, there were no such list.
The theory may make sense. Sinners are forever bound to reside in only the Pride ring after dying and going to Hell. And some of them shown did show negative qualities such as narcissism and arrogance, which are relating traits to the bad side of pride. But for others, like our main cast, were pretty apathetic-driving themselves deeper into their wrong choices and accepting their fates in Hell. Sir Pentious was once bad in life since he devoted himself to villainy. He wasn't that prideful in a sense, but rather he wanted to paint himself as a person committed into doing bad things. Before he self-sacrificed himself to save everyone, we see changes in his character where he's slowly breaks away from his negative qualities and accepts good ones
I have a theory that Adam is only in heaven because he didn't eat the fruit. In the scene of Lilith giving Eve the fruit, Adam is nowhere to be seen, he's just a bad person who doesn't know what bad is, so how can he be punished for something he didn't know he did?
Imagine being sent to heaven. But you have friends or relatives that didn't make it with you. Now that the word is out about exterminations, and sinners can be redeemed. How would you feel knowing there was a chance you could have seen them again, and now they might be gone for good. And it was at the hands of those whose job it is to protect your immortal soul and make sure you're happy in heaven.
In the show 'Lucifer' on CW the concept of hell was that sinners were there because the felt they deserved to be there based off of their actions. They didn't necessarily choose to be there over heaven but they were trapped in hell because of how they felt about their past actions/lives, that they deserve to be there. So I don't think it is a stretch to say the hell in this universe can work that way as well. I enjoy this theory
Headcanon now: Molly is in heaven, not because she is narcissistic, but because she believed that’s where her brother went, so that’s where she believed she should go. Then upon arrival, as some Christian faiths believe, she forgot who angel was, as those in heaven forget their relationship with those in hell
Great theory, I was thinking along the same lines, after a binged the show. But I hope it won't be true, both being shades of grey would feel better imo than the plottwist of heaven is where narcisists go. I like to imagine nowdays that Adam went to heaven, because he didn't eat from the apple and had no other chance to sin.
Personally, I think it’s actually about change. The show is putting a lot of emphasis on how people grow and change. This is also a big conversation that needs to be had about a lot of prisons and is very relevant to today’s world - especially in America. There are prisons increasing the prisoners on death row, because the prisons are too full. Rehabilitation is near impossible due to the marks left on their records - keeping former convicts from getting jobs and forcing them to return to crime to survive. Is it fair to imprison someone for something they did fifty years ago - even after they’ve changed and show no sign of doing anything like that again? What even is a prison really trying to accomplish? Is it punishment, containment, or justice? When does justice become revenge and cruelty? What happens when the lawmakers are breaking the laws? When the prisons to protect humanity are inhumane to those within? How do you hold everyone accountable, maintain a civil society, and keep it all fair without destabilizing everything? Especially since there are often complicated situations like Angel Dust’s. Like, really, did he ever have a true chance to be better? He’s clearly been abused by a lot of people for a long time. I suspect that he just truly was stuck in abusive situations during his entire life and afterlife. Charlie tried to help him get out and Valentino actually hurt him for it. At that point, is it even his choice anymore if he’s being threatened into it? Then again, he does still fight people, but usually it seems to be in response to something else. What I’m trying to say is… Angel Dust has done bad things, but I don’t think he really has a choice. His wellbeing is at risk here. Also, despite what he may say, Angel Dust is very clearly choosing the Hotel to try and get out of his situation. He took the initiative to change and it’s… honestly impressive. I think that’s where Hazbin Hotel is going with this. I think it’s going to tie back to a lot of the arguments about the debates on the morality of prisons and rehabilitation vs punishment. I bet Pentious’s experience in Heaven is going to mirror some of the issues people may deal with in the aftermath of facing jail time. I wonder if at least one character will hop from hell to heaven to hell as a result of what they experience in heaven? Tldr: I think the show might be giving commentary on the prison system.
This theory is very intersting, though i suppose we would need to see more narcicistic people in heaven to prove that point. It seems to me that Adam only really is in heaven because he was the first man, and I dont think any other people like him would ever make it to heaven. If they did heaven would be another place. I also dont think that it is as simple as being good or bad, because the whole core Idea of the show is that people can be both, and its not always one or the other. What i rather think is that you will get to heaven if your soul is without burden and struggle. "Purer" so to speak. What we have seen from heaven so far in the form of mortal sinners that went to heaven, seem to be more peacefully naive in nature. Sera, adam and the exorcists are different, because sera is of course more ancient and wise then mortals could ever be. Adam would have a "pass" because he was the first human (the angels wouldnt really like to admit that he was f*cked up from the start), and the exorcist are also just mere mortal souls who seem to be hand-picked and corrupted by adam. The other mortal souls who we saw so far seemed to be sheepishly peacefull (this could still change of course). People that are just so "on the nose" good and pure that it would be very difficult to find anything remotely "bad" in their character. These could be people who mostly lived a sheltered life and always followed the rule. People who never went astray, where never "tempted" by seductions born from evil, like drugs etc. People who never knew violence or trauma during their life. Or people who where simply to naive and innocent to go to hell. Like the majority of kids for example. This would explain why the ony kids we see seem to primarily live in canibal town. They went to hell because they did something morily bad, like eating another person. But a kid does not just become a cannibal like that, but likely just did so to survive or was fed by an adult. Otherwise they would be mostly innocent. Of course kids could also suffer other "sins" like drug abuse, so maybe we will see more "sinner-kids" in the future linked to these sins. But mostly i recon that most traumatized kids wouldnt be blamed for the stuff they encountered and would end up in heaven. Adulds on the other hand would may be given a more moral responsibility for their actions, so even if lifes circumstances forced them to, sell/take drugs, use violence or kill someone, they would be held more acountable then kids would. Anyhow it seems that people in hell, even though they might be a good person overall, get send there because of destructive behavior, trauma and other things they cant let go of. And as long as they cant let go of it or refuse to let go of it they would stay in hell until they can. Its like finding enlightenment. So i believe what send Pentious to heaven was the fact that he could finally let go of all his wrongdoings. We saw him genuinely apologize, better himself, leave old habits behind (episode about trust), and instead found something else that he could live for. He could let go of his past and finally be pure of heart and intention, which is was let him to heaven after he died. So i think hell is literally like rehab for souls. If you can withstand temptation of your past mistakes, and those who want to take advantage of you (via soul contracts for example), then you could decent into heaven once you worked on yourself enough. That also said: it seems like pentious was all in all a very lonely character at the start of the season. He bugged people because he wanted their attention, not of evil motives. But because he found friends and people who genuienly cared for him, he fullfilled his own pure hearts wish and let go of the trauma of feeling lonely.
It's an interesting idea, and suggests all the Overlords were people that took to heart the idea, "it is better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven." I would hope that there is some accountability concerning mortal sins, and many of them possibly not existing when Adam died, since he was probably the first mortal to do so. Perhaps we'll get a better idea if any of the Exterminators reform in Hell instead of Heaven after this battle. Something that no one really thought about during the battle, though, is that Sir Pentious wasn't killed with Angelic Steel, so he should have reformed anyway -- even if it was just back in Hell. The Exterminators very specifically need to use their weapons to permanently kill the immortal souls populating the Pride Ring.
i dont think pentius knew he was getting ANY afterlife after this. the result may have been BECAUSE he didnt know, because it meant his sacrifice MEANT SOMETHING
Honestly i can see it being based off your mindset when you die. If you live a very sinful life and dont feel youre worthy of or even want to go to heaven they end up in hell. Like the first episode of Helluva boss. The teacher very much couldve gone to heaven had she not given into her wrath, killed her cheating husband then off herself. Had she risen above her rage she wouldve been perfect to ascend and become an angel when she dies naturally. It could explain why Adam is in Heaven despite his episode and personality. He felt he deserved that spot and probably felt him being the first human made him holier than everyone else so he gets into heaven
There's also this theory that Adam might not have truly died and recieved judgement as a human. The theory is supported by the fact that all the souls in both heaven and hell have animalistic traits, the ones in hell are given traits they hate, while the ones in heaven are given forms they like. The only human like beings in heaven seem to be either natural heavenborn like Emily and Sera, the exorcists like Lute or Adam who never takes off his mask while in heaven because he still appears human. Adam also has one trait different to Sara, Emily and Lute, he still has his human ears while the three female angels don't have ears at all, at least not visibly. My theory is that after Adam and Eve did their duty on earth, making more humans, Adam was brought straight up to heaven, this would lead Cain to eventually kill Abel becomming the world's first Murderer who could very well be Zestial since he's the oldest Overlord. But yeah Adam never died a human death, was never truly judged, was brought to heaven and turned into an angel and had to wear his exorcist mask 24/7 otherwise the souls in heaven would know something was up. So when Adam's mask eventually broke during his fight with Lucifer in hell, then he was stabbed to death by Niffty, is fair to think he might come back as a sinner since now he's actually died for the first time and was finally judged and deemed unfit for heaven. It would make sense, especially if Sera was trying to save face and get Adam into heaven despite him not being fit for heaven at all, he's her dirty little secret.
I think this is a very cool idea of how it all works. Maybe if Adam ends up reforming in hell the thought could be revised a little bit. But it is really solid and I can get behind it as of season 1.
Helluva boss is set in the same universe. The Teacher (Episode 1 I believe) that went to Hell was suprised. She definately believed she should have gone to Heaven
thinking you will go to heaven and truly believing you will go to heaven aren't really the same thing. I wouldn't read too much into someone's off handed claims of what they deserve because a lot of people in hell clearly act like they deserve better, but its not the same as having Adam's mental gymnastics of belief.
@@CartoonUniverse From what we saw she lived a very good life. Being a very frirndly and caring person. From what I interpreted from the character, she truely wanted to and believed that she would go to heaven.
hard disagree, yes she lived a good life but from what we saw she was willing to murder two people for a love affair. I don't think that her mind is so pure that she legitimately felt that she deserved heaven after killing the two of them then killing herself. She has a meltdown before shooting herself about the horrors of what she's done, especially in front of children. She was clearly conflicted before she died and we have no reason to assume she has a narcissistic level of 'I would be in heaven'. She has shown too much self reflection for that.
Hm, the theory is interesting, but i don't think Sir Pensios was specifically aiming for redemption. He just found people whose company he enjoyed, a person who he loved and therefore he didn't really have a reason to be evil anymore
it makes me wonder if guilt plays a part in it. for example what if you do something wrong and you feel guilty for it because you know you were wrong then you die and boom you're in hell. it would also make sense that if someone does things that are wrong knowingly and never feel remorse for their actions they go to hell too. so if you feel guilty and think you deserve to be punished you go to hell and if you are remorseless you go to hell, therefore only being repentant and forgiving, to yourself or others, will you go to heaven. it's hard to guess since there's no god or Jesus in the show. (yes I know god is mentioned in Helluva boss but he's not a character.)
Okay, I dont think u get to choose simply cause the teacher on episode 1 of helluva boss seems like she really thought she doesnt deserved being in hell
I disagree. Sir Pentious clearly made improvements in his life. If anything I think the condition for arriving in Heaven is not having self destructive or destructive to others behavior. Viv doesn't focus on sin. Instead her stories revolve around characters mental well being. The people in Hell are there literally and metaphorically. The issues Pentious appeared to be dealing with was mostly social anxiety and socialization issues. This was something that could be addressed with Charlie's 50 million watt positivity approach. She accepted Pentious. He had never been part of a social group. And because things were on the speed run setting he quick stepped through his improvement. Because the people of the hotel accept him and they give him advice on how to connect to others. This was compared to others such as Angeldust a relatively easier path. Thus he found his way to wellness and because he had developed empathy for others he was able to perform a truly altruistic act. Thus he moved to Heaven. Adam I suspect is in Heaven because he never ate the Apple. The lore only mentions Eve eating the Apple. Because of this, whether it was original sin or some other mechanism, he got a free pass while Eve went to Hell (hence the reason she is missing in action). Adam also did not learn about Good and Evil because he never ate the Apple. This is why when he said he had never done anything wrong he is technically correct. Because he does not know what is wrong. As to Carmilla I am pretty sure she is a fallen high order Angel. I suspect she was the armorer of Heaven. And when she found out what her weapons were being used for she rejected it and fell as a result. Evidence for this is the color pallet of the Angels in Hell. She is virtually the same color pallet as Vaggie. She is an expert in Angelic weapons. And there is multiple connections to Vaggie. Vaggie sings more duets with Carmilla than with Charlie. Carmilla becomes her mentor because she knows how Angels fight. Its not because she was fighting them all the time. She clearly stated that she expected she would never have to have blood on her hands. She knows how Angels fight because she was the armorer and had to know fighting to understand how to make the best weapons for the task. And of course there is the fact that she has her children with her in Hell. Sinners cannot have children. And while it is possible if she was human for her daughters to wind up in Hell as well we don't really see sinner family units tied that close together. I suspect Carmilla met a Hellborn and fell in Love only to lose him after his children were born. And the final clue to her being an Angel comes from the Pilot (admittedly not canon any longer but still indicative of intent). In the opening of the pilot we see Carmilla, Zestial, and Lucifer (as well as the large Dinogirl who's name I am blanking on) bunkered down for the Extermination. Lucifer's primary issue is that he lost faith in Humanity. He hates the sinners. He left them to the execution as he just does not care about them any longer. He would not bunker down with sinners. I think we were shown the nonsinner Overlords in that shot. Carmilla a fallen higher order Angel, Zestial a Hellborn Lovecraftian Demon, and Dinogirl another form of Hellborn Demon).
Definitely an interesting theory but i feel like vox and the vees as a whole wouldn't have been in hell. After all they're all very narcissistic and entitled that like Adam if true would believe they deserve heaven
I still think the heavenpuppy is still cute. Also, might wanna do something about that horned yeen's halo and polo. Or is that a leggy, based on the shape and coloration of the muzzle?
sorry, the scene where i threaten to kill my employees and they disappear, which appears right after I said it. There will be a new animated gag based on the poster in the next two days though
while i LOVE this theory, i'm really hoping to see adam as a sinner in the next season so i'm slightly hoping this isn't true. i still love the concept though!!
Whether it's Heaven or Hell, I'm sure Sir Pentious will never forget anyone down there in Hell and who knows, maybe Cherri Bomb would reunite with Sir Pentious if she got redeemed.😊💕
I understand the point, but I do think the theory wouldn't match up with some Like for example the client of Helluva Boss's first episode ended up in hell, despite thinking that she deserved to go to heaven since she "was good her whole life" aside from her little murder spree
Do you really think that she felt that she deserved heaven? like she just went on a murder spree then shot herself, do you really think in that moment she thought 'i deserve heaven'?
Yeah she was screaming about the horror of what she had done. I don't think in that moment she believed, whether authentically or narcissistically, that she was going to heaven.
The I don't think Sir Pentous choose heaven. There is a mystery, a process outside Heaven and Hell. That decides who goes where when they die. They also mentioned this process, is called "Divine Judgement". But Neither demons nor angels know how it works. A theory I have is that every time a sinner "die" in hell, he receives a new divine Judgement, but since most of them don't do anything to redeem themselves, they simply remanifest again in Hell. Sir Pentous being the only soul to die, not by an angelic weapon, and doing something selfless and good received a new divine judgement that took him to heaven. What do you think?
The issue With that, Is that The only Person who Could satisfyingly Pass judgement, Without heaven Knowing, would Be god. Viv said They aren't Going to Bring them Into the Series, so There wouldn't Be a Satisfying result In that Regard. Otherwise, there Needs to Be some Form of "People get Sent to Hell by Their own Will" or, Ones actions Are directly Linked to Where they Go, without A specific Judge.
@@dr.blockcraft6633 I don't think God is the "Only one" that could pass divine judgement, but certainly neither the demons nor the angels do. Even if Divine Judgment is the most mysterious mystery in the show, is one that doesn't matter at all. Because the show is not about how they receive divine judgement, but what happens after they receive it. Its just a piece in a system we don't see clearly,
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The employees got reincarnated throughout the video..
The employees are missing hmm wonder what happened
There’s a theory being that Adam is in heaven cuz he didn’t eat the apple so he doesn’t know right or wrong which is actually a very logical conclusion based on what we know
Maybe
So it's not how you act, that brings you into hell, but acting bad, even though you know it's bad does. Interesting idea. That would mean adam would be judged like a toddler doing "bad" stuff?
That only works on adam, though. Since some sinners, that we have already seen, seem to think themselfs to be in the right to do what they did (for example the dude from Ohio in the helluva boss pilot, who couldn't comprehent, why he got executed for "lovingly killing his wife")
@@p3chv0gel22 so this idea only works with Adam because everyone else the children of Eve who did eat the apple so they’re off rip sinner vs Adam who is a human who doesn’t know anything about good or bad is an exception to this rule
@@p3chv0gel22But what if your example knew killing his wife is bad, just justified it by thinking it was out of love?
@@p3chv0gel22It's kind of a thing in Christianity. If you commit a sin because you didn't know it was a sin you didn't actually commit a sin, if you were forced to do it it is specifically attributed to the person who forced you to do it.
Catholics, for one, define sin as intentional and willing rejection of the love of God. (Essentially breaking his rules, but also denouncing him, for example)
Since Adam was unaware, in Catholic understanding he would be sinless, moreso fully sinless since he wasn't struck by the primordial sin. (Though he should also be immortal in that case, since the primordial sin is supposed to be what makes humans mortal(
The fact that the employees actually got killed off…(•_•’)
They all got killed off, and pulled a sir pentious power move and remanifested in heaven
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Sir Pen also didn't steal those weapons and such, he bought them. He checked all three things
This was a really interesting theory, but it does seem a lot more likely that there is something helping to guide souls, as Vox would most likely choose to go to heaven, and there is also the fact sir pentious appeared in front of Sera and Emily instead of the gates for unknown reasons. Great video though.
"choice" may not be the best word as it's not necessarily a conscious decision rather than a subconscious expectation. st peter seems kind of pointless, though? like sera even says that they know a soul deserves to be in heaven when that soul manifests in heaven. they don't know why, they just know that "a soul appears before us" (not at the gates) and they don't question it.
@@dietotakumaybe that name appears in St Peter’s book?
Exactly. It was as though there was a force showing Emily and Sera that there's a reason why he showed up in heaven.
@@dietotaku Agreed. Even while alive, Vox probably recognized he was likely going to hell for his actions. However, I still hate the premise because that means good people who simply feel bad for doing something that probably wasn't a big deal goes to hell. While sociopaths and psychopaths and narcissists who usually cause a lot of real harm will go to heaven simply because they feel entitled to it.
Leads to the question of whether the two are 2 sentient somehow? Or controlled by something sentient?
To be able to choose to go to Heaven or Hell… Sounds like an interesting idea.
I thought so too!
Eh not really
@@tobsonasanya4765 How so?
I mean it feels too easy @@SweetOrangeGirl
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Carmilla having large hands is also partly into her thinking selling her weapons when alive and not using them kept blood off her hands. Now her hands are massive and will be impossible to keep clean. She can't deny her involvement is sin like she did when alive
Large hands can also show how she had her ''hands in everything'' lol
Well, Pentious is one of the few characters that aren't owned by other sinners. I can Imagine that Angel, for example, can act as good as he wants but can't be redeemed as long as his soul is tied to Valentino.
Is there proof of this
@@tobsonasanya4765 It just occurred to me a while back. While it's proof Angels soul is tied by a contract forcing him to sin, he can hardly be redeemed.
@@tobsonasanya4765 I don't have proof but I also thought of this cause in a whole system of who goes to heaven or hell and even redemption the problem whit it couldn't just be because the angels don't know how it works or cause a sinner didn't try before, just 1 or 2 ingredients doesn't make a cake, so the soul dealing causing problems in this too is a good aswer along with the other factors since the soul is part of you and is now tied and lost to a contract with a sinner or hellborn and with that in hell, it would be liked if you gave your documents to someone or left it in a place so in turn you cannot go to some areas since you need to identify yourself.
Good point.
That's a possibility. Though it really depends on what the show considers to be the rules of heaven, and I don't think it's anything we really have in irl Christianity. Mostly because of the kids in cannibal town. Pretty much all Christian denominations have the concept of an "age of accountability" where before a certain age you cannot be held accountable for sin because you aren't aware that you're committing a sin. In some branches too, there's a rule that if somebody forces you to sin, then it's on them not on you. But since there's kids in hell, I don't think any irl rules apply to the show
It would be funny that the moment Adam wrote those rules it became possible for a soul to be redeemed.
Of course after being killed.
Before the rules were set, it wasn’t clear,
But now they are, they may be arbitrary bullshit, but they are clear rules, and all it takes is to not break them.
Which is hilarious concept, and i like this,
@@panmopsel i know right
@panmopsel it only takes trying to redeem yourself probably
This is kinda terrifying in terms of heaven. If believing in your actions based on whatever sins you may or may not have committed is what determines whether you manifest in heaven or hell, learning about that could cause a massive shift in souls. People who generally believed themselves to be good based solely on the fact that they manifested in heaven will be largely forced to reconsider since if a soul can remanifest in heaven by the belief that they can be redeemed, it may very well be possible to remanifest in hell after dying in heaven. This could even turn into a massive problem as now certain people who may have developed beef over the years, believing that they are stuck with one another could potentially bully someone out of heaven should they belittle them enough to make the other think they deserve damnation.
Yep it is, however those actions should get you kicked out, instantly, because it’s clearly a sin
I think I’ve seen a similar theory in an fanfic. Basically guilt over your sins is what condemned you to Hell rather than the sins themselves.
If you think you are unworthy of Heaven, you were judged as such and kicked down.
What is the name of the Fanfiction?
@@mercedesbenz6657 Radio Healed the Video Star on ao3.
There is a lot going on in this story and it was written during the wait between the pilot and the official series.
Eh no
so basically, ALL NARCISSISTS GO TO HEAVEN??????? ADAM???? HOLY SHIBBLESCRONKERS
@@dartyious3842to quote our favorite hotel Manager:
That means... Ooohhh. That explains so much
Pentious' ascension does raise many questions. Obviously, the big one is if one can die redeemed in Hell and wind up in Heaven, then can the reverse be true? But also, how many times can this happen? Can a soul just go from one to the other indefinitely, or is there actually a limit to how often they can change realms? 🤔
i think it wouldn't make a lot of sense for someone to believe themselves fit for hell, be redeemed *and* killed (necessary to remanifest in either realm), ascend to heaven, then turn back around and revert to total scumbag and be killed *again* just to remanifest back in hell. if there is some outside influence determining who goes where, then it's probably one round trip max - so adam could potentially remanifest in hell and have to actually redeem himself and be killed again in order to get back into heaven, but i don't see anyone who started out in hell and made it to heaven ending up back in hell again, much less "redeeming" themselves AGAIN to get back to heaven.
I mean Vaggie chose to stay in hell so Idk
Oh god. Now i imagina a sort of "heaven/hell" Elevator, where you get shot, whenever you need to travel between realms
We do know the reverse is true. Lucifer was infamously banished from Heaven to Hell, along with implications from Viv/her team of more fallen angels
This could actually explain why Molly's in heaven (assuming her original backstory still applies). Even if she wasn't nearly as ruthless and murderous as her father and Aracniss and not incredibly lustful like Angel she was still part of the Mafia and probably did get her hands dirty to some extent. However she might have left that life behind after her twin brother died or tried to make amends in general and believed herself worthy of heaven in the end.
Maybe
To me, I don’t think Sir Pentious knew he’d actually get into Heaven based on how surprised he was. He may have believed in Charlie’s dream and gave redemption a chance, but he mainly was happy to have a safe place where he had friends, could be vulnerable and didn’t need to constantly try to conquer in order to prove himself, so him defending the hotel was him genuinely just trying to do what he could to save the hotel and his friends; he definitely didn’t think he was going to come back since he kissed Cherri Bomb and confessed his feelings.❤
If you are right about belief coming into play and that empathetic people are more likely to go to Hell for even minor things they feel bad about, that would be really tragic.😢
Also, I see you PlushCut.😳😠
Angelcut? I think ‘Holycut’ or ‘Deepholy’ would be better.
What about Divinecut?
Saintcut?
Deepholy sounds very weird ngl
I still love that when Adam answers ugly people when Charlie says about their shared problem he looks at the viewer that’s actually really funny because the joke is of course that we are ugly
Pentagram Moon might be Purgatory/Limbo? A state of unknowing where to go. We could see Samael incorporated as its sort of protector, helping people discover their truths and what afterlife they belong to. This could be a rare process that only helps Winners, but that's only speculation.
i love this theory SO MUCH because it ties in to what i see as the preponderance of scientific evidence of how the "afterlife" actually works in reality. a few things we know for empirical fact, based on studying people who have had near-death experiences and been clinically dead for varying amounts of time: (1) as the brain dies, one's perception of the passage of time stretches out. 10 seconds feels like, say, 10 minutes, 10 minutes feels like 10 days, an hour feels like 10 years, and so on into infinity; (2) to alleviate or distract oneself from the pain and terror of dying, the brain generates hallucinations which seem to be almost entirely based on one's expectations of what will happen next. hence, people see visions of departed loved ones, and experience a glimpse of whatever kind of afterlife they expect they are headed for (most people see heaven, naturally, but a few people have reported visions of *hell* and, once revived, unburdened their souls of whatever guilt they were feeling for their transgressions).
so in this sense you see how the overwhelming majority of people in "hell" fit a stereotype of people who "belong" there; alastor was a serial killer cannibal who probably practiced voodoo, where else would he expect to go? adam and lute perfectly represent the kind of belligerently religious person who is not only convinced that they're going to heaven despite their abhorrent behavior but BECAUSE of it, they believe they are exerting "god's will on earth" and will be rewarded for their cruelty. and so they go where they expected to go and continue on as they always have. meanwhile because it's actually all a hallucination, no soul is actually trapped anywhere so long as they believe there is a way out. even the souls killed by angelic weapons still re-manifest in hell, just in a different form because that is what they have been told happens. once pentious is convinced that redemption is possible, that's exactly what happens to him when he confesses his feelings and puts his life on the line to defend his friends. his mortal brain is *still dying* at this point, but the time dilation and hallucinations have influenced his subconscious expectations and so he "re-manifests in heaven."
The real reason angels seem so terrible? Imagine this you’ve been hanging out in heaven for 5 million years and you get bored. You decide **** this I want to do something new! And then the corruption sets in.
There's another theory floating around that heaven might actually have a population cap. This has to do with some verse in the Bible I'm assuming it's in revelations about a very large but specific number and if Adam died like permanently died that would mean a space was cleared up for a redeem sinner.
144,000 from Revelations 7:4 the theory must be based on the JW belief in heaven as other Christian groups interpret that line a little differently
@@CherryCrystalBall They better hope that's not how it works because that means heaven was full 2,000 years ago with people only from those specific tribes mentioned and everyone else is going to hell. XD
I believe in the Hazbin-verse (and for real life) all humans were originally meant to go to Heaven when they died but after evil found its way to earth, H*ll was created, and the divine order shattered making it so not all humans were good enough for Heaven even in the AD era, but all that’s changing with Charlie who’s not only fixing the order but improving it
BTW I think the reason (Hazbin) Adam is in Heaven is because unlike Eve and his real life counterpart he never ate the fruit of knowledge their for never been capable of fully comprehending the difference between good and evil so I highly doubt going into Heaven or H*ll is a choice in the Hazbin-verse
I had an idea regarding Adam being in Heaven.
Perhaps he went there because he was the first human. Due to this, he could hide under ignorance and not knowing better in regards to eating the fruit. Due to this, God or whatever force sends ppl to Heaven or Hell, decided to give him a chance to change. In the end he never changed and the only reason he was still there is cause he didn’t die, yet.
9:40 you know, those were my exact thoughts regarding the system implemented in the TV show "Lucifer". I know they say that people know deep down, but I don't think everyone would
Not to mention all the people who were told they were going to hell because they said no to their parents who wanted them to do something bad. People can be tricked into thinking they're going to hell when they're good people. And bad people can be tricked into thinking they're gong to heaven no matter what harm they cause.
are you freaking telling me I'm gonna end up in hell because I have low self-esteem???? ...... well that checks
He was rising above because he was out for love! Literally what Carmilla Carmine said! ❤
If it’s true, there should be moment in the show where it’s revealed, and we see how Pentious is struggling:
If he chooses Hell, he would meet Cherry again, love of his life. But he knew they would destroy all Charie’s hopes and she would doubt her doings. And if he chooses Heavens, he can rest easy, hoping that Charlie would get message from Emily about Pentious being in Heaven
I don't think it's supposed to be a conscious choice. It's what you think you deserve.
@@CaedmonOS but if person is good, it can choose the best for him/her
I think in the end he'd wait for Cherry in heaven
My theory is that Charlie wont redeem everyone, since people like Cherry seem to be happy in hell, and it won't fit Charlies character to force those to be better
And maybe heaven kinda splits over the issue of the extermination, leading to a change of goverment, that is open to more friendly relations with hell, so they may need some embassador in hell. And who would be better fir that job than the only person, who actually manifested in both realms? This would allow both Cherry to stay in hell, fighting, blowing stuff up, whatever she wants and pentious to be able to see his loved one, since as an embassador, he'd be able to go down there
The idea that you go wherever you think you deserve to could certainly explain Adam being in heaven, but he's also the only confirmed human soul in heaven that we actually meet, and even among humans, he could be a bit of an exception.
I also like the idea that he's never shown or said to have eaten the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, so he's innocent by default because he's literally incapable of knowing right from wrong.
The employees are in the double hell that Angel mentioned in the pilot o_O
I think it's going to be hard and tricky at this point to define what gets you into Haven in Hazbin Hotel, but I hope they do a good job of it.
I absolutely love these videos 0:12 deepcut seems to rock that heaven look
I dunno. Sir Pentious didn’t seem like he considered himself destined to Heaven when he wound up there in utter confusion. My guess is that he unknowingly found the path of redemption after he apologized to Charlie, made legit friends out of the hotel staff and confessed his true feelings to Cherry, hereby dropping the thing that kept him anchored to Hell.
The only reason that Adam was allowed into Heaven, it seems, is due to his position as the first mortal man. Either Heaven made a special exception of him because of his circumstances, or there’s also the possibility that the opposite with Sir Pentious can happen in Heaven - that a Winner’s soul could wind up becoming corrupt and could become ‘fallen’.
Either way, the enigmatic power behind this system is what intrigues me. It seems like it’s conscious of people’s actions since it brought Sir Pentious to Heaven without his knowledge, and yet the angels don’t seem to know the exact rules. Given that God is noticeably absent in the series, I suspect that he is either behind this system or he is the one who put it in place, and in his absence, the angels in charge are unaware of how it operates.
The cherubs reminds me of Care Bears that have to keep good feelings around or convince the person to live . So - the souls have time to redeem themselves on Earth: plot twist, to prevent them from entering Heaven for the longest time.
I still love "Sir Repentious."
Omg thank you. This has been my theory for so long and I’m so excited that someone is exploring it as well.
It could also partly being running on Little Nicky logic with doing something good before you die (or in this case die again) helps get you into Heaven. And doing something bad helps earn you a spot in Hell.
had to watch this twice as I was distracted by the background characters appearing 1 by 1 each time cut was on screen...
I think god is the one who decides who is gets to go heaven or hell. Even though we haven’t seen or at least been mentioned yet in either shows, I still think god is playing an important role in the future.
Viv said there won't be God in the series. Maybe a god-like creature, but nothing relating to the actual religion's God
@@Idk_br0111 then why in the cherub episode, one of the cherubs said, “and do not use the Lord’s name in vain.” ?????
@@rainbowquartz9513Either Christian values have started to rub off on the Heaven-born angels, or the Cherubs were originally human Christians.
@@rainbowquartz9513Not only that, but a lot of stuff from the pilot/past livestreams doesn’t apply to the show (such as Charlie’s last name, Vaggie originally being a sinner, and so on)
@@AthifArif-g4t but the helluva boss episode was canon , so the existence of god or a god is true.
"Not everything is spelled in Ink"
Now it is thanks Adam 😂
K so the reason Adam is there bc when he died, he deserved to be in heaven, but then as the years when on and his feelings marinated, he got arrogant. So yeah the “angels can do whatever and remain in the sky” is most likely true. My personal side theory is that in order to switch to whatever you actually belong to, you need to die first, hence why angel wasn’t in heaven, and why I believe Adam will become a sinner.
I haven't heard of any better theories. It also matches what we know of the characters, nobody seems think they should be in the other place.
8:21 if so I’m wondering why the overlords killed by Alastor didn’t manifest back in hell. Maybe tearing their souls apart sends them to a true hell with no escape or they reincarnate back in the living world.
The one big wrench in the theory of Sir Pentious CHOOSING to go to Heaven is that the very last thing he did was wage war against Heaven while defending his home in Hell.
On top of that, Sir Pentious didn't wake up at the pearly gates. He got dropped right into Sera's and Emily's living room. Almost as if whatever cosmic force sent him to Heaven wanted to make sure, not just that he got in, but that the person most likely to oppose his entry knew damn well that it was for real and not to be questioned.
I think there is a greater power, and I'll even go the extra mile and say that Hell is an intentional (or at least accepted after the fact) component of the grand design, both so that Heaven can exist in contrast as opposed to just in ignorance, and so that sinners -- even if only a very rare few -- can be molded by all the trials of Hell into angels most powerful (or at least the most durable) than have ever been seen before.
So... Yeah, I'm accepting a "greater power" narrative. Though I suspect it will have to be one that Sera and co. will have to accept will go completely unseen and remain unknowable except in these exceptionally rare of instances.
I think it would be interesting to see how heaven's population would react to knowing about how the exterminations happen. Would their opinions change? What about potential family members (like Molly for example)
I have a theory that the red pentagram in the sky is purgatory
You know what would be funny?! If Adam changed the rules the moment he wrote that sheet of paper so now anyone that meets that criteria will get into heaven.
I do agree on the afterlife is a choice. I like to think you look at your life without knowing it’s your life and judge whether that person should go to heaven or hell. I’d like to think that it’s thanks to Charlie giving him a second chance that he got into heaven.
Will Angel even want to go to heaven, it seems like he would be bored there, and go crazy.
4:27 ...you *are* aware that no one had died until after the fruit was eaten, right? There's no souls to be sent to heaven
I think that Adam is a special case. Since in the opening he isn’t by Eve’s side when given the fruit I think that he doesn’t know anything about good and evil by default…. Therefore his seemingly narcissistic trait becomes more of a child that never learned what’s good or evil
I have an alternative idea: I think Adam put Sir Pentious into heaven unintentionally through killing him. Hear me out: hell is the final chance for souls that due to various sins fail to go to heaven. When they manage to redime themselves in hell through a selfless act of love they go to heaven when killed by an exorist otherwise they die for good. It could also be that they need to meet certain criteria decided by the angles and you could argue that Sir Pentious through his sacrifise checked Adam's list. This would also explain why no demon before him manifested in heaven after being killed by the angles, there were no such list.
Nice Angel form Deep Cut, but it got me thinking what if Sir Pentious wants to come back to Hell if Heaven didn't fully excepted him?
2:44 the employees are coming back but for how long
Maybe it’s the employees turn to get rid of deep/angelcut 😂🤪🤣
I would love to see angel going next. Like as a big f u to Val. Im sure the reaction would be priceless!
But then he’ll have to leave Husk behind :’).
@@SweetOrangeGirland then he’ll see Molly again :’)
@@jalengreene7323 Oh true! But it’s still bittersweet to think about.
@@jalengreene7323thats cute
The theory may make sense. Sinners are forever bound to reside in only the Pride ring after dying and going to Hell. And some of them shown did show negative qualities such as narcissism and arrogance, which are relating traits to the bad side of pride. But for others, like our main cast, were pretty apathetic-driving themselves deeper into their wrong choices and accepting their fates in Hell. Sir Pentious was once bad in life since he devoted himself to villainy. He wasn't that prideful in a sense, but rather he wanted to paint himself as a person committed into doing bad things. Before he self-sacrificed himself to save everyone, we see changes in his character where he's slowly breaks away from his negative qualities and accepts good ones
My theory is the word SORRY! I only hear Sir Pentious, Charlie, and the angels say it!
I have a theory that Adam is only in heaven because he didn't eat the fruit. In the scene of Lilith giving Eve the fruit, Adam is nowhere to be seen, he's just a bad person who doesn't know what bad is, so how can he be punished for something he didn't know he did?
Imagine being sent to heaven. But you have friends or relatives that didn't make it with you. Now that the word is out about exterminations, and sinners can be redeemed. How would you feel knowing there was a chance you could have seen them again, and now they might be gone for good. And it was at the hands of those whose job it is to protect your immortal soul and make sure you're happy in heaven.
Nah Sir P looked as confused of Sera and Em. Sir P thought he was dying for good, but he sacrificed for his love of Cherry Bomb.
In the show 'Lucifer' on CW the concept of hell was that sinners were there because the felt they deserved to be there based off of their actions. They didn't necessarily choose to be there over heaven but they were trapped in hell because of how they felt about their past actions/lives, that they deserve to be there. So I don't think it is a stretch to say the hell in this universe can work that way as well. I enjoy this theory
Headcanon now: Molly is in heaven, not because she is narcissistic, but because she believed that’s where her brother went, so that’s where she believed she should go. Then upon arrival, as some Christian faiths believe, she forgot who angel was, as those in heaven forget their relationship with those in hell
Great theory, I was thinking along the same lines, after a binged the show. But I hope it won't be true, both being shades of grey would feel better imo than the plottwist of heaven is where narcisists go. I like to imagine nowdays that Adam went to heaven, because he didn't eat from the apple and had no other chance to sin.
Ya that would make crazy horrible sense
Angel cut is so darling!
Personally, I think it’s actually about change. The show is putting a lot of emphasis on how people grow and change. This is also a big conversation that needs to be had about a lot of prisons and is very relevant to today’s world - especially in America. There are prisons increasing the prisoners on death row, because the prisons are too full. Rehabilitation is near impossible due to the marks left on their records - keeping former convicts from getting jobs and forcing them to return to crime to survive. Is it fair to imprison someone for something they did fifty years ago - even after they’ve changed and show no sign of doing anything like that again? What even is a prison really trying to accomplish? Is it punishment, containment, or justice? When does justice become revenge and cruelty? What happens when the lawmakers are breaking the laws? When the prisons to protect humanity are inhumane to those within? How do you hold everyone accountable, maintain a civil society, and keep it all fair without destabilizing everything?
Especially since there are often complicated situations like Angel Dust’s. Like, really, did he ever have a true chance to be better? He’s clearly been abused by a lot of people for a long time. I suspect that he just truly was stuck in abusive situations during his entire life and afterlife. Charlie tried to help him get out and Valentino actually hurt him for it. At that point, is it even his choice anymore if he’s being threatened into it? Then again, he does still fight people, but usually it seems to be in response to something else. What I’m trying to say is… Angel Dust has done bad things, but I don’t think he really has a choice. His wellbeing is at risk here. Also, despite what he may say, Angel Dust is very clearly choosing the Hotel to try and get out of his situation. He took the initiative to change and it’s… honestly impressive.
I think that’s where Hazbin Hotel is going with this. I think it’s going to tie back to a lot of the arguments about the debates on the morality of prisons and rehabilitation vs punishment. I bet Pentious’s experience in Heaven is going to mirror some of the issues people may deal with in the aftermath of facing jail time. I wonder if at least one character will hop from hell to heaven to hell as a result of what they experience in heaven?
Tldr: I think the show might be giving commentary on the prison system.
So the argument Hazbin Hotel seems to be pushing is that people can change and we should aim for rehabilitation rather than punishment.
This theory is very intersting, though i suppose we would need to see more narcicistic people in heaven to prove that point. It seems to me that Adam only really is in heaven because he was the first man, and I dont think any other people like him would ever make it to heaven. If they did heaven would be another place. I also dont think that it is as simple as being good or bad, because the whole core Idea of the show is that people can be both, and its not always one or the other.
What i rather think is that you will get to heaven if your soul is without burden and struggle. "Purer" so to speak. What we have seen from heaven so far in the form of mortal sinners that went to heaven, seem to be more peacefully naive in nature. Sera, adam and the exorcists are different, because sera is of course more ancient and wise then mortals could ever be. Adam would have a "pass" because he was the first human (the angels wouldnt really like to admit that he was f*cked up from the start), and the exorcist are also just mere mortal souls who seem to be hand-picked and corrupted by adam.
The other mortal souls who we saw so far seemed to be sheepishly peacefull (this could still change of course). People that are just so "on the nose" good and pure that it would be very difficult to find anything remotely "bad" in their character. These could be people who mostly lived a sheltered life and always followed the rule. People who never went astray, where never "tempted" by seductions born from evil, like drugs etc. People who never knew violence or trauma during their life. Or people who where simply to naive and innocent to go to hell. Like the majority of kids for example. This would explain why the ony kids we see seem to primarily live in canibal town. They went to hell because they did something morily bad, like eating another person. But a kid does not just become a cannibal like that, but likely just did so to survive or was fed by an adult. Otherwise they would be mostly innocent. Of course kids could also suffer other "sins" like drug abuse, so maybe we will see more "sinner-kids" in the future linked to these sins. But mostly i recon that most traumatized kids wouldnt be blamed for the stuff they encountered and would end up in heaven.
Adulds on the other hand would may be given a more moral responsibility for their actions, so even if lifes circumstances forced them to, sell/take drugs, use violence or kill someone, they would be held more acountable then kids would. Anyhow it seems that people in hell, even though they might be a good person overall, get send there because of destructive behavior, trauma and other things they cant let go of. And as long as they cant let go of it or refuse to let go of it they would stay in hell until they can. Its like finding enlightenment. So i believe what send Pentious to heaven was the fact that he could finally let go of all his wrongdoings. We saw him genuinely apologize, better himself, leave old habits behind (episode about trust), and instead found something else that he could live for. He could let go of his past and finally be pure of heart and intention, which is was let him to heaven after he died.
So i think hell is literally like rehab for souls. If you can withstand temptation of your past mistakes, and those who want to take advantage of you (via soul contracts for example), then you could decent into heaven once you worked on yourself enough. That also said: it seems like pentious was all in all a very lonely character at the start of the season. He bugged people because he wanted their attention, not of evil motives. But because he found friends and people who genuienly cared for him, he fullfilled his own pure hearts wish and let go of the trauma of feeling lonely.
Redemption at its finest
In the tv show Lucifer your guilt and regrets got you sent to hell but once you let go of them you could get into heaven
It's an interesting idea, and suggests all the Overlords were people that took to heart the idea, "it is better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven." I would hope that there is some accountability concerning mortal sins, and many of them possibly not existing when Adam died, since he was probably the first mortal to do so. Perhaps we'll get a better idea if any of the Exterminators reform in Hell instead of Heaven after this battle. Something that no one really thought about during the battle, though, is that Sir Pentious wasn't killed with Angelic Steel, so he should have reformed anyway -- even if it was just back in Hell. The Exterminators very specifically need to use their weapons to permanently kill the immortal souls populating the Pride Ring.
i dont think pentius knew he was getting ANY afterlife after this. the result may have been BECAUSE he didnt know, because it meant his sacrifice MEANT SOMETHING
He was redeemed because he was a cat person who appreciated a cute tuxedo cat coming to him for attention.
U don’t understand how much I want this to be wrong
Honestly i can see it being based off your mindset when you die. If you live a very sinful life and dont feel youre worthy of or even want to go to heaven they end up in hell. Like the first episode of Helluva boss. The teacher very much couldve gone to heaven had she not given into her wrath, killed her cheating husband then off herself. Had she risen above her rage she wouldve been perfect to ascend and become an angel when she dies naturally. It could explain why Adam is in Heaven despite his episode and personality. He felt he deserved that spot and probably felt him being the first human made him holier than everyone else so he gets into heaven
There's also this theory that Adam might not have truly died and recieved judgement as a human. The theory is supported by the fact that all the souls in both heaven and hell have animalistic traits, the ones in hell are given traits they hate, while the ones in heaven are given forms they like. The only human like beings in heaven seem to be either natural heavenborn like Emily and Sera, the exorcists like Lute or Adam who never takes off his mask while in heaven because he still appears human. Adam also has one trait different to Sara, Emily and Lute, he still has his human ears while the three female angels don't have ears at all, at least not visibly. My theory is that after Adam and Eve did their duty on earth, making more humans, Adam was brought straight up to heaven, this would lead Cain to eventually kill Abel becomming the world's first Murderer who could very well be Zestial since he's the oldest Overlord. But yeah Adam never died a human death, was never truly judged, was brought to heaven and turned into an angel and had to wear his exorcist mask 24/7 otherwise the souls in heaven would know something was up. So when Adam's mask eventually broke during his fight with Lucifer in hell, then he was stabbed to death by Niffty, is fair to think he might come back as a sinner since now he's actually died for the first time and was finally judged and deemed unfit for heaven. It would make sense, especially if Sera was trying to save face and get Adam into heaven despite him not being fit for heaven at all, he's her dirty little secret.
I think this is a very cool idea of how it all works.
Maybe if Adam ends up reforming in hell the thought could be revised a little bit.
But it is really solid and I can get behind it as of season 1.
Helluva boss is set in the same universe. The Teacher (Episode 1 I believe) that went to Hell was suprised. She definately believed she should have gone to Heaven
thinking you will go to heaven and truly believing you will go to heaven aren't really the same thing. I wouldn't read too much into someone's off handed claims of what they deserve because a lot of people in hell clearly act like they deserve better, but its not the same as having Adam's mental gymnastics of belief.
@@CartoonUniverse From what we saw she lived a very good life. Being a very frirndly and caring person.
From what I interpreted from the character, she truely wanted to and believed that she would go to heaven.
hard disagree, yes she lived a good life but from what we saw she was willing to murder two people for a love affair. I don't think that her mind is so pure that she legitimately felt that she deserved heaven after killing the two of them then killing herself. She has a meltdown before shooting herself about the horrors of what she's done, especially in front of children. She was clearly conflicted before she died and we have no reason to assume she has a narcissistic level of 'I would be in heaven'. She has shown too much self reflection for that.
Whole theory is just summarized as “it’s a mind set bro” lol
Hm, the theory is interesting, but i don't think Sir Pensios was specifically aiming for redemption. He just found people whose company he enjoyed, a person who he loved and therefore he didn't really have a reason to be evil anymore
So were just not gonna talk about how in the background there is a panting of chibicut pushing impcut off a cliff
it makes me wonder if guilt plays a part in it. for example what if you do something wrong and you feel guilty for it because you know you were wrong then you die and boom you're in hell. it would also make sense that if someone does things that are wrong knowingly and never feel remorse for their actions they go to hell too. so if you feel guilty and think you deserve to be punished you go to hell and if you are remorseless you go to hell, therefore only being repentant and forgiving, to yourself or others, will you go to heaven. it's hard to guess since there's no god or Jesus in the show. (yes I know god is mentioned in Helluva boss but he's not a character.)
Okay, I dont think u get to choose simply cause the teacher on episode 1 of helluva boss seems like she really thought she doesnt deserved being in hell
Very interesting theory!
I disagree. Sir Pentious clearly made improvements in his life. If anything I think the condition for arriving in Heaven is not having self destructive or destructive to others behavior. Viv doesn't focus on sin. Instead her stories revolve around characters mental well being. The people in Hell are there literally and metaphorically.
The issues Pentious appeared to be dealing with was mostly social anxiety and socialization issues. This was something that could be addressed with Charlie's 50 million watt positivity approach. She accepted Pentious. He had never been part of a social group. And because things were on the speed run setting he quick stepped through his improvement. Because the people of the hotel accept him and they give him advice on how to connect to others. This was compared to others such as Angeldust a relatively easier path. Thus he found his way to wellness and because he had developed empathy for others he was able to perform a truly altruistic act. Thus he moved to Heaven.
Adam I suspect is in Heaven because he never ate the Apple. The lore only mentions Eve eating the Apple. Because of this, whether it was original sin or some other mechanism, he got a free pass while Eve went to Hell (hence the reason she is missing in action). Adam also did not learn about Good and Evil because he never ate the Apple. This is why when he said he had never done anything wrong he is technically correct. Because he does not know what is wrong.
As to Carmilla I am pretty sure she is a fallen high order Angel. I suspect she was the armorer of Heaven. And when she found out what her weapons were being used for she rejected it and fell as a result. Evidence for this is the color pallet of the Angels in Hell. She is virtually the same color pallet as Vaggie. She is an expert in Angelic weapons. And there is multiple connections to Vaggie. Vaggie sings more duets with Carmilla than with Charlie. Carmilla becomes her mentor because she knows how Angels fight. Its not because she was fighting them all the time. She clearly stated that she expected she would never have to have blood on her hands. She knows how Angels fight because she was the armorer and had to know fighting to understand how to make the best weapons for the task. And of course there is the fact that she has her children with her in Hell. Sinners cannot have children. And while it is possible if she was human for her daughters to wind up in Hell as well we don't really see sinner family units tied that close together. I suspect Carmilla met a Hellborn and fell in Love only to lose him after his children were born.
And the final clue to her being an Angel comes from the Pilot (admittedly not canon any longer but still indicative of intent). In the opening of the pilot we see Carmilla, Zestial, and Lucifer (as well as the large Dinogirl who's name I am blanking on) bunkered down for the Extermination. Lucifer's primary issue is that he lost faith in Humanity. He hates the sinners. He left them to the execution as he just does not care about them any longer. He would not bunker down with sinners. I think we were shown the nonsinner Overlords in that shot. Carmilla a fallen higher order Angel, Zestial a Hellborn Lovecraftian Demon, and Dinogirl another form of Hellborn Demon).
There’s one left we need to save the last one
Definitely an interesting theory but i feel like vox and the vees as a whole wouldn't have been in hell. After all they're all very narcissistic and entitled that like Adam if true would believe they deserve heaven
Adam only got into Heaven because he was the first human, so of course he’s going to have an over privileged mentality about himself.
I still think the heavenpuppy is still cute. Also, might wanna do something about that horned yeen's halo and polo. Or is that a leggy, based on the shape and coloration of the muzzle?
In the end all of the crew by the end of the video manifested in heaven instead of the deep dive (a pet). Where is he?
he's practicing for his new animation
@@CartoonUniverse oooh, that sounds cute
I am so confused what animated gag? I rewatched the beginning over and over again.
sorry, the scene where i threaten to kill my employees and they disappear, which appears right after I said it. There will be a new animated gag based on the poster in the next two days though
Absolutely goated
So the angels just said, heaven and hell already exist, they seem to be working, why not use them?! Makes sense actually.
while i LOVE this theory, i'm really hoping to see adam as a sinner in the next season so i'm slightly hoping this isn't true. i still love the concept though!!
So its not choosing its just people going to the place which they believe they should go to
The new background music is pretty cool
Whether it's Heaven or Hell, I'm sure Sir Pentious will never forget anyone down there in Hell and who knows, maybe Cherri Bomb would reunite with Sir Pentious if she got redeemed.😊💕
How rich is SP because he was able afford to buy 2 rounds for everyone in a club.
His employees come back as the video goes on
You are looking real classy in your angel form
I understand the point, but I do think the theory wouldn't match up with some
Like for example the client of Helluva Boss's first episode ended up in hell, despite thinking that she deserved to go to heaven since she "was good her whole life" aside from her little murder spree
Do you really think that she felt that she deserved heaven? like she just went on a murder spree then shot herself, do you really think in that moment she thought 'i deserve heaven'?
@@CartoonUniverse Fair point, I guess she did only unalive herself because she felt guilty
Yeah she was screaming about the horror of what she had done. I don't think in that moment she believed, whether authentically or narcissistically, that she was going to heaven.
Is the character at 9:04 in the front left Molly?
The I don't think Sir Pentous choose heaven. There is a mystery, a process outside Heaven and Hell. That decides who goes where when they die. They also mentioned this process, is called "Divine Judgement". But Neither demons nor angels know how it works.
A theory I have is that every time a sinner "die" in hell, he receives a new divine Judgement, but since most of them don't do anything to redeem themselves, they simply remanifest again in Hell. Sir Pentous being the only soul to die, not by an angelic weapon, and doing something selfless and good received a new divine judgement that took him to heaven. What do you think?
The issue With that, Is that The only Person who Could satisfyingly Pass judgement, Without heaven Knowing, would Be god.
Viv said They aren't Going to Bring them Into the Series, so There wouldn't Be a Satisfying result In that Regard.
Otherwise, there Needs to Be some Form of "People get Sent to Hell by Their own Will" or, Ones actions Are directly Linked to Where they Go, without A specific Judge.
@@dr.blockcraft6633 I don't think God is the "Only one" that could pass divine judgement, but certainly neither the demons nor the angels do.
Even if Divine Judgment is the most mysterious mystery in the show, is one that doesn't matter at all. Because the show is not about how they receive divine judgement, but what happens after they receive it. Its just a piece in a system we don't see clearly,
This just made me say HOLY SHIT out loud. It makes so much sense