Thanks for watching the video, I hope you enjoyed it, I know its very long. Please remember everything is done by one man in terms of the video production, cameras, lighting, sound editing and presenting.
Hi, if you don’t mind me asking; which Perlisten sub did you go for and how did it improve on the Rel S/510z I ask as I want to upgrade from my Rel S3 and was considering Perlisten and the Rel S/510. Thanks
Großartiges Video! Sehr sehr interessant! Ganz klasse Technikinformationen in Sachen Akustik von 3 tollen enthusiastischen Menschen auf der Suche nach dem perfekten Klang! Thank's for this interesting clip!👍👍🌄🎶
Great video Terry - "A listers" here for many home theatre enthusiasts! Karma AV are superb for the UK market and bring us some brilliant products to explore. Well done on capturing the enjoyment in can bring!
Cracking video Terry. Thank you. Yorkshire AV had a reference Perlistan audio cinema room set up at the North West Auido Show 2023. Very impressive it was too I did spend some time in there. 3 visits. If your thinking of a cinema room Perlistan should be on your short list.
Loved this review Terry, really enjoyed it. My room has changed a lot since you calibrated it courtesy of the addition of Perlisten S range so you'd be more than welcome to see how you can indeed recreate these fine rooms in the home too as you rightly say.
As someone without a TV and who hasn't watched a movie for over 10 years, this isn't for me, but 3 interesting and engaging interviews, followed by Terry jumping in front of a 5m screen made for great entertainment, much appreciated! An amazing amount of technology in one place - you mentioned 3 different price points, can you give approximate figures for each of the rooms total cost? Thanks!
Very good video Terry. Having such a quantity of speakers makes me, as an audiophile with 2.1 speakers, wonder if a multi-channel expansion is possible in the future. Especially to enjoy some SACD-recordings! Would be nice to do a video how you can upgrade an existing stereo system with a seperate AV-processor (Anthem, Emotiva, Primare, etc.?), adding some (wireless) surround/sub speakers to keep your stereo experience and use it for multi-channel music and movies too. Btw, noticed a Sony DVD-player. Seems a bit underrated regarding the rest of the systems (expected a Panasonic UB-9000, Reavon UBR-X200 or Magnetar UDP-800/900). Which sources are being used?
Hello, I was wondering do you remember the speaker setup in the ascendo cinema, you did speak on the fronts having beryllium tweeters, do you remember the surround sound speakers? Thanks.
Hi Terry, another great review, I’ve talked to Karma Av and I am trying to sort a date to go down and see and hear their systems, I am going completely in wall so not worried about aesthetics, so looking at perlisten R5 speakers, but been told there bringing out a larger centre channel the same as on the S range. Or a Ascendo system with 12” speakers for the sides and a 10” or 2 x 6” drivers for the centre, using 2 x SVS SB 16 for the base. What’s your thoughts thanks
Hello Terry. Thabk you for this video. Try as you might have to hide it, you seemed more impressed with the Ascendo system's dynamics and visceral impact. But were the Ascendo systems or the Perlisten systems better with resolution / clarity? (Or was there simply not enough time to make a judgement in that regard?)
Their 32inch has a 90mm linear excursion maybe that is why that number reference was made, the website says the 32 is the equivalent of 15 normal 18s. Remember this is referring to the infrasonic region 20hz and below
@@PursuitPerfectSystem It's impressive for sure, but that number is inflated when it really doesn't has to be. There is something to be said about having more coils to dissipate heat as well rather than 1 giant sub. Their website says 16 liter displacement. Any decent 18" should do 2 liters. So thats 8 x 18. Still a lot, but far from 20.
I suppose then in the practical terms of the big system in the video having 2 x 32 inch subs and 4 dual 18 inch subs is the equivalent using your summation of 24 18's that would be hard to make work and I think that is why they exist.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem That depends on the 18" used. There are plenty high displacement 18" to choose from, so I will argue a lot less can do the job. There's also SPL to consider that isnt infrasonic. It's not that I don't see a place for a 32". My main issue is the overstatement of the displacement of the one 32". I just don't think it is accurate to say its comparable to twenty 18" subs. I've had the pleasure of demo'ing the 80" version from Ascendo so I know what they can do. If you have a look at their own Ascendo 18" sub it does 2.66 liter displacement, so that would "only" take 6-7 of those for the same displacement. The 32" is stated with a 16.6 liter displacement.
I don’t understand why these companies feel the need to exaggerate specs. I mean, it’s already impressive enough to say they have a 32” driver. I suppose they are trying to justify the silly pricing when they say that. And, what would be considered a ‘normal’ 18” driver?? Lol There are some amazing 18” drivers out there.
moving into home cinema content too terry? ive a 11.4.2 arcam / ps audio theatre/ listening room .ive been into home cinema for years. great content as usual. cheers
Hey there, I'm kind of curious what sort of camera setup you use in terms of your videos. Truthfully I love your content and I always like your opinion on gear and even have purchased a few items based on your recommendation.
My highly provisional assessment of the Perlisten system from the NW Audio Show, agrees with you about the soft presentation. I disagree with you about liking the midrange. I hated it. Far too soft. Movies deserve to be played back with crisp clarity on transients. All those gunshots etc. They shouldn't be soft and unfocused! The quality of the main front and centre speakers should not be underestimated. The centres ought to be excellent at speech reproduction. And the mains should be the sort of speakers that would be great in a stereo music system. Get those 3 speakers right and you don't have to spend a lot on the Atmos receiver, nor the 4k blu-ray player.
Lindsay you would like the ascendo system more but without the 4k disc player you get compressed Atmos sound only from streaming which is good but not good compared to full fat on disc not even close actually
Sadly the room that I had running at the NWAS was MASSIVELY compromised on acoustics and positioning - was simply too small. The room at KARMA AV is S series (a lot more forward with it being TPCD/Beryllium) whereas we were showing the R series which is soft dome. In a proper, purpose built environment - I think you would have a much better experience :)
Lee Lindsay has very acquired taste for the sound and design of much older speakers and would never like a modern design of speaker, dont take offence as he is a good guy. That is why I said he would prefer the Ascendo as its larger drivers with compression driver tweeters more in line with older design just much better :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem It is not true that I have an acquired taste for the sound and design of older speakers. The joint best speakers that I've heard use modern (high efficiency) drivers. What I crave is the very best sound for the least cost. Which in my hi-fi journey has resulted in me buying some bargain speakers from ebay - that happened to date from the 1960's to 1970's with - I guess - major reasons for them being so cheap for the sound quality on offer was the size and the looks and the (cosmetic or repairable) condition as well as the bias that many people have against older speakers as well as ebay being an "imperfect market" and sometimes stuff selling for cheaper than it normally would. If I found a modern speaker that I could buy for (even) less money that sounded better than my classic speakers, I'd sell on the older speakers in a heartbeat. There is a lot of vintage equipment that has a vintagey type, flub-a-dub, pipe-and-slippers sound. EG Spendor BC1's. I don't like that type of sound. I prefer audio equipment that sounds crisp, clear, detailed, dynamic, transparent. I am familiar with the challenges in getting good sound in hotel rooms at hi-fi shows. With me having exhibited 3 times at Scalford. My highly provisional assessment was that Perlisten speakers are poor to mediocre and would sound poor to mediocre, regardless of the room they are in. This is supported by Terry's "soft" comment. I expect I would prefer the sound of the Ascendo system. I wouldn't like the price. I agree with you Terry in getting the highest AV sound quality from Blu-rays. That's why I have a subscription to Cinema Paradiso. From Yorkshire AV's point of view I can understand why they don't stock the sort of system that offers the best sound quality for the lowest money. Because that would involve the use of either DIY'd or used bargain purchase speakers.
Sorry Lindsay I didn't mean to offend you, but you defo have an acquired taste / approach to HiFi that is not the norm but that has led you down the path you have taken and formed your very strong opinions. I think that is fair to say
Dominus rated speakers are such a useless thing. Taking a second to actually see what dominus is, its a viewing distance of 6m, with an volume of 184 metres cubed. 0.00001% of the people has a room/theather like that. It makes no sense to spend your budget on a perlisten dominus rated speakers, when the average room is thx select or thx compact.
You've looked at this in completely the wrong way. Firstly its 'up to' 6m viewing distance and 'from' 3.6m that Dominus certification is given. This doesn't mean they can't be used in smaller rooms by someone who wants to push them to limits, past others, and still be confident of minimum distortion levels - a huge part of THX certification is about distortion in the signal at given levels, in this case 120dB Rooms above 3.6m are massively common in private home theatres and there are way more than you think that reach 6m. Theres definitely a space and requirement for Dominius rated speakers which is why more and more manufacturers are investing a lot of time and money into developing products that can achieve the rating, and of course why THX Dominus exists.
@@wazzacee6960 - indeed, many manufacturers now pushing Dominus rated speakers i.e. KEF with their new products. Not all of Perlisten products are Dominus rated in isolation too. i.e. the R5i-LR are Dominus rated for surround but not for LCR application. The R series subs need to be doubled up or in some cases quadrupled up for the certification. Overhead + Distortion levels are what it's about.
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Thanks for watching the video, I hope you enjoyed it, I know its very long. Please remember everything is done by one man in terms of the video production, cameras, lighting, sound editing and presenting.
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Loved this. Thanks! Watched the whole thing!!
I love how you interviewed everyone and let them talk. I'm interested in Ascendo, so i really liked hearing the technical details.
Your REL S/510 video kicked off my journey to adding a sub to my 2 channel system. I tried REL, SVS and finally landed on a Perlisten
Hi, if you don’t mind me asking; which Perlisten sub did you go for and how did it improve on the Rel S/510z
I ask as I want to upgrade from my Rel S3 and was considering Perlisten and the Rel S/510.
Thanks
Großartiges Video! Sehr sehr interessant! Ganz klasse Technikinformationen in Sachen Akustik von 3 tollen enthusiastischen Menschen auf der Suche nach dem perfekten Klang!
Thank's for this interesting clip!👍👍🌄🎶
Most impressive Terry...mad respect for this level of pursuit of perfection in home theater!
I agree, it was mental, I cant get the sound experience out of my mind it was something else
Ascendo explanation were on point and understandable. Totally backed up the reasons to make their products as they do. 4x 15” wont cut it anymore😄
Great video Terry - "A listers" here for many home theatre enthusiasts! Karma AV are superb for the UK market and bring us some brilliant products to explore. Well done on capturing the enjoyment in can bring!
WOW! Fabulous post, Terry - many thanks indeed!
I love both Ascendo and Perlisten.
Great video and one of the best reviewer out here!!
Thanks very much
Cracking video Terry. Thank you.
Yorkshire AV had a reference Perlistan audio cinema room set up at the North West Auido Show 2023. Very impressive it was too I did spend some time in there. 3 visits. If your thinking of a cinema room Perlistan should be on your short list.
Loved this review Terry, really enjoyed it. My room has changed a lot since you calibrated it courtesy of the addition of Perlisten S range so you'd be more than welcome to see how you can indeed recreate these fine rooms in the home too as you rightly say.
Love the Ascendo stuff- being with the end in mind = whats actually required to "create" multi-ch immersive sound
As someone without a TV and who hasn't watched a movie for over 10 years, this isn't for me, but 3 interesting and engaging interviews,
followed by Terry jumping in front of a 5m screen made for great entertainment, much appreciated! An amazing amount of technology
in one place - you mentioned 3 different price points, can you give approximate figures for each of the rooms total cost? Thanks!
From 3k to around 250k so quite a range :)
Best video ever !
Great review, amazing gear. Thank you xx
You’re looking well Terry!
Seriously Matt or Banter?
Serious! You looked quite trim in your into piece to camera.
Incredible theater
Very good video Terry. Having such a quantity of speakers makes me, as an audiophile with 2.1 speakers, wonder if a
multi-channel expansion is possible in the future. Especially to enjoy some SACD-recordings!
Would be nice to do a video how you can upgrade an existing stereo system with a seperate AV-processor (Anthem, Emotiva, Primare, etc.?), adding some (wireless) surround/sub speakers to keep your stereo experience and use it for multi-channel music and movies too.
Btw, noticed a Sony DVD-player. Seems a bit underrated regarding the rest of the systems (expected a Panasonic UB-9000, Reavon UBR-X200 or Magnetar UDP-800/900). Which sources are being used?
Great stuff mate , just makes me want to upgrade from R to S now! Cheers!!!!!
R still good :)
Great review Terry👌any idea what seating are they using in the Ascendo / Prlisten room?
Hello, I was wondering do you remember the speaker setup in the ascendo cinema, you did speak on the fronts having beryllium tweeters, do you remember the surround sound speakers? Thanks.
Hi Terry, another great review, I’ve talked to Karma Av and I am trying to sort a date to go down and see and hear their systems, I am going completely in wall so not worried about aesthetics, so looking at perlisten R5 speakers, but been told there bringing out a larger centre channel the same as on the S range. Or a Ascendo system with 12” speakers for the sides and a 10” or 2 x 6” drivers for the centre, using 2 x SVS SB 16 for the base. What’s your thoughts thanks
Hello Terry. Thabk you for this video. Try as you might have to hide it, you seemed more impressed with the Ascendo system's dynamics and visceral impact. But were the Ascendo systems or the Perlisten systems better with resolution / clarity? (Or was there simply not enough time to make a judgement in that regard?)
Perlisten must give some speakers for review so that we can know if the speakers agree with their self praise.
One 32" driver is ~ 4 x 18" in terms of surface area. Assuming twice the throw of a 32" it would equal about 8 x 18" and not 20 as mentioned.
Their 32inch has a 90mm linear excursion maybe that is why that number reference was made, the website says the 32 is the equivalent of 15 normal 18s. Remember this is referring to the infrasonic region 20hz and below
@@PursuitPerfectSystem It's impressive for sure, but that number is inflated when it really doesn't has to be. There is something to be said about having more coils to dissipate heat as well rather than 1 giant sub. Their website says 16 liter displacement. Any decent 18" should do 2 liters. So thats 8 x 18. Still a lot, but far from 20.
I suppose then in the practical terms of the big system in the video having 2 x 32 inch subs and 4 dual 18 inch subs is the equivalent using your summation of 24 18's that would be hard to make work and I think that is why they exist.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem That depends on the 18" used. There are plenty high displacement 18" to choose from, so I will argue a lot less can do the job. There's also SPL to consider that isnt infrasonic. It's not that I don't see a place for a 32". My main issue is the overstatement of the displacement of the one 32". I just don't think it is accurate to say its comparable to twenty 18" subs. I've had the pleasure of demo'ing the 80" version from Ascendo so I know what they can do. If you have a look at their own Ascendo 18" sub it does 2.66 liter displacement, so that would "only" take 6-7 of those for the same displacement. The 32" is stated with a 16.6 liter displacement.
I don’t understand why these companies feel the need to exaggerate specs. I mean, it’s already impressive enough to say they have a 32” driver. I suppose they are trying to justify the silly pricing when they say that. And, what would be considered a ‘normal’ 18” driver?? Lol
There are some amazing 18” drivers out there.
Bas lmpact is everything in the Cinema experience...
moving into home cinema content too terry? ive a 11.4.2 arcam / ps audio theatre/ listening room .ive been into home cinema for years. great content as usual. cheers
I haven’t done that much of it but always been into it, I made more in the past when my room was geared up better for it
11.4.2
I'm just wondering why you didn't allocate a couple more to the heights 🤔
How much a 7.1 system cost and can I use trinnov altitude 16 with ascendo. Which ascendo model is medium to high range
Hey there, I'm kind of curious what sort of camera setup you use in terms of your videos. Truthfully I love your content and I always like your opinion on gear and even have purchased a few items based on your recommendation.
Thanks very much, the cameras are Sony, I have an FX3 and A7SIII - in most instances lighting matters more than the camera
@@PursuitPerfectSystemthanks for that I really appreciate it
I wonder how the arendal thx monitors you reviewed compare to the r series monitors r5m
The big difference would be in the vocal region I think, but I couldn’t say without having both here :)
I agree one hundred on most of your money should be spent on the bass.
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My highly provisional assessment of the Perlisten system from the NW Audio Show, agrees with you about the soft presentation.
I disagree with you about liking the midrange. I hated it. Far too soft.
Movies deserve to be played back with crisp clarity on transients. All those gunshots etc. They shouldn't be soft and unfocused!
The quality of the main front and centre speakers should not be underestimated. The centres ought to be excellent at speech reproduction. And the mains should be the sort of speakers that would be great in a stereo music system.
Get those 3 speakers right and you don't have to spend a lot on the Atmos receiver, nor the 4k blu-ray player.
Lindsay you would like the ascendo system more but without the 4k disc player you get compressed Atmos sound only from streaming which is good but not good compared to full fat on disc not even close actually
Sadly the room that I had running at the NWAS was MASSIVELY compromised on acoustics and positioning - was simply too small. The room at KARMA AV is S series (a lot more forward with it being TPCD/Beryllium) whereas we were showing the R series which is soft dome. In a proper, purpose built environment - I think you would have a much better experience :)
Lee Lindsay has very acquired taste for the sound and design of much older speakers and would never like a modern design of speaker, dont take offence as he is a good guy. That is why I said he would prefer the Ascendo as its larger drivers with compression driver tweeters more in line with older design just much better :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem It is not true that I have an acquired taste for the sound and design of older speakers. The joint best speakers that I've heard use modern (high efficiency) drivers.
What I crave is the very best sound for the least cost. Which in my hi-fi journey has resulted in me buying some bargain speakers from ebay - that happened to date from the 1960's to 1970's with - I guess - major reasons for them being so cheap for the sound quality on offer was the size and the looks and the (cosmetic or repairable) condition as well as the bias that many people have against older speakers as well as ebay being an "imperfect market" and sometimes stuff selling for cheaper than it normally would.
If I found a modern speaker that I could buy for (even) less money that sounded better than my classic speakers, I'd sell on the older speakers in a heartbeat.
There is a lot of vintage equipment that has a vintagey type, flub-a-dub, pipe-and-slippers sound. EG Spendor BC1's. I don't like that type of sound. I prefer audio equipment that sounds crisp, clear, detailed, dynamic, transparent.
I am familiar with the challenges in getting good sound in hotel rooms at hi-fi shows. With me having exhibited 3 times at Scalford. My highly provisional assessment was that Perlisten speakers are poor to mediocre and would sound poor to mediocre, regardless of the room they are in. This is supported by Terry's "soft" comment.
I expect I would prefer the sound of the Ascendo system. I wouldn't like the price.
I agree with you Terry in getting the highest AV sound quality from Blu-rays. That's why I have a subscription to Cinema Paradiso.
From Yorkshire AV's point of view I can understand why they don't stock the sort of system that offers the best sound quality for the lowest money. Because that would involve the use of either DIY'd or used bargain purchase speakers.
Sorry Lindsay I didn't mean to offend you, but you defo have an acquired taste / approach to HiFi that is not the norm but that has led you down the path you have taken and formed your very strong opinions. I think that is fair to say
Dominus rated speakers are such a useless thing. Taking a second to actually see what dominus is, its a viewing distance of 6m, with an volume of 184 metres cubed.
0.00001% of the people has a room/theather like that.
It makes no sense to spend your budget on a perlisten dominus rated speakers, when the average room is thx select or thx compact.
Also clean to 120db which is nice
Something something Koenigsegg Gemera vs. Toyota Camry.
You've looked at this in completely the wrong way. Firstly its 'up to' 6m viewing distance and 'from' 3.6m that Dominus certification is given. This doesn't mean they can't be used in smaller rooms by someone who wants to push them to limits, past others, and still be confident of minimum distortion levels - a huge part of THX certification is about distortion in the signal at given levels, in this case 120dB
Rooms above 3.6m are massively common in private home theatres and there are way more than you think that reach 6m. Theres definitely a space and requirement for Dominius rated speakers which is why more and more manufacturers are investing a lot of time and money into developing products that can achieve the rating, and of course why THX Dominus exists.
@@wazzacee6960 - indeed, many manufacturers now pushing Dominus rated speakers i.e. KEF with their new products. Not all of Perlisten products are Dominus rated in isolation too. i.e. the R5i-LR are Dominus rated for surround but not for LCR application. The R series subs need to be doubled up or in some cases quadrupled up for the certification. Overhead + Distortion levels are what it's about.