Vishgraz the Doomhive | Flickering Poison | Commander | EDH | Budget | Cut-Rate Commander | MTG

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  • Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024

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  • @GrazzetMTG
    @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +13

    Please let me know in the comments below what you think of the build, if you think there are any other cards that I should have considered, and what commanders you want to see from Phyrexia: All Will Be One in future polls!

    • @vgpatman9728
      @vgpatman9728 Год назад +1

      Maybe champion of lambholt to give the mites unblockable?

    • @amazinchestahead8825
      @amazinchestahead8825 Год назад

      Love the build. Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa amd Saryth, the Vipers Fang are able to grant evasion to the mites while Saryth also adds protection for Vishgraz.

    • @flamingdrake6665
      @flamingdrake6665 Год назад +1

      Love the build and I'm slowly building it over time I've managed to find a few of the more expensive upgrades like Elesh Norn, MoM but I have some cards lined up which I wanted to put in the deck which I would like your point of view on whether or not they would fit in the deck?
      Vorinclex, monstrous raider
      Odric, Lunarxh Marshal
      Mite overseer
      Skrelv, Defector Mite
      Phyrexian Vindicator
      Skrelv's Hive

  • @ericjenkins1909
    @ericjenkins1909 Год назад +28

    For the last year or more your videos have become like Saturday morning cartoons for me when I was a kid, always look forward to them. Thanks for doing what you do, your builds are always fun and make up most of my collection!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +6

      That is a high honor indeed (you made me all nostalgic for the Fox Kids and Kids WB)!
      Glad you enjoy the content and hearing that makes makes it worth making!

  • @shanemccullen2172
    @shanemccullen2172 Год назад +5

    This is why you’re the best! I had almost zero interest in Vishgraz but you built it in a way that looks incredibly fun to play. Well done!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Mission accomplished then! Seriously though, glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Shadowstar108
    @Shadowstar108 Год назад +2

    “Lastly, my old nemesis, The Great Henge.”
    Lol, dying over here. Love your work, keep it up!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed that! Honestly, I'm still waiting on that reprint because its been 3 years!

  • @mdatfamu
    @mdatfamu Год назад +1

    I’d just like to say that I just found your channel yesterday and this is the commander I wanted to turn into my infect deck for my heel turn at my LGS. My build is more focused on small creatures with toxic and as many spells that have proliferate stapled on them. It plays very midrangey and I wanted it to be faster so I saw this build and got really excited. The cards have been purchased and this will be my first Flicker deck but not my first Abzan deck (hello Myrkul!)
    Thanks for the video and build, I’m excited to try it out.

  • @jakeelston1207
    @jakeelston1207 Год назад +1

    Coming back after playtesting this around on moxfield against other decks I've been considering. 3 of your decks made it to the top 4 (Titania/Vish/Ramses - although I swapped Titania to Force of Nature as the commander seemed more consistent) They all run really well and it's awesome! I'm not the best at deck building (mostly precons+ upgrades) so these are great ways to get new decks that aren't just what WOTC puts out. I may be forgetting if there is a section but I don't see it in the show notes but possibly an upgrade(s)/cards to consider if you want to take the deck a little further would be awesome! For sure gonna build Titania and Vish to add to the collection

  • @robertwagner7367
    @robertwagner7367 Год назад +1

    Perfect timing on the video drop

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +2

      Hope you enjoyed it!

    • @robertwagner7367
      @robertwagner7367 Год назад

      @Grazzet MTG of course. I'm currently brewing Vishgraz and I'm trying to take in as much as I can.

  • @scottricks1676
    @scottricks1676 Год назад

    Love the lore blurbs kicking thigns off!!

  • @williambryant9557
    @williambryant9557 Год назад

    Love the upgrades to this deck. Exactly what I was thinking on how to change the base precon. Thanks!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Glad you like it! I'm not seeing a lot of other folks take Vishgraaz in a flicker direction, so its good to know that I'm not crazy for doing so myself!

  • @deltazbar
    @deltazbar 11 месяцев назад

    In my build I have added cards that also synergize with the proliferation. So I use mana rocks like Everflowing Chalice, Replicating Ring, and Astral Cornucopia that I can drop at 2 or 3 CMC, but eventually pump to produce a lot of mana (plus Glistening Sphere). I also like Black Market and Beastmaster Ascension for similar reasons. Other ideas are Gift of Immortality, Aura Shards (so your creature blink adds repeatable removal), Skullclamp to translate the 1/1s into cards, and Throne of Geth (to translate the 1/1 tokens into proliferation). I also have a few token doublers, but I am not sure they are worth the slots. One more - I would replace Cultivate with Expand the Sphere that can just proliferate late in the game.

  • @tatz717
    @tatz717 Год назад

    Nice. I like the direct upgrade recommendations.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Glad you like them! I personally am not a huge fan of them myself (since I like folks to make their own choices as far as what they like and don't like in the deck to swap) but enough people were asking for it and I suppose it does help those folks who want to get my input on what switches I would make.

  • @Neofin
    @Neofin Год назад

    Great build! I like how all your list encourage a fun play style and you give nice ideas how to upgrade if desired. Mostly though all your lists really look like having a good time and staying casual, keep it up!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Glad to hear you enjoyed it and will do!

  • @kaichisaki5267
    @kaichisaki5267 3 месяца назад

    Grafted exoskeleton is a very good card with vishgraz as well as a side wincon

  • @dieuwtjin
    @dieuwtjin Год назад

    This is an amazing video. I was looking for a unique way to get back into my first control deck of Abzan for commander and it hits the spot perfectly. The only things I'd add over the upgrades are Aura shards (absoutely disgusting value on enchantment/artefact removal turning each flicker into *four* disenchants), Yawgmoth thran physician, cathar's crusade and beastmaster's ascension. Yes, those combined probably cost 75% of the deck but they make both the ETB, token beatdown and poison proliferate theme so much better imo.

  • @taylorjohnson5148
    @taylorjohnson5148 Год назад

    Awesome, this is the commander I wanted to build around

  • @newtpondskipper
    @newtpondskipper Год назад

    As a long time Astral Slide player this deck calls to me.

  • @asafrodriguez3727
    @asafrodriguez3727 Год назад

    Man i love your videos, such a fun way to view at builds

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Glad you think so and to hear that you've been enjoying them! It makes it worth making them!

  • @TrueZero88
    @TrueZero88 Год назад

    Chiss-Goria! Myrs look fun, but the value engine on a dragon looks fun!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Glad you think so because most voters agreed with you and a Chiss-Goria build will be coming soon!

  • @fernandodeassis5594
    @fernandodeassis5594 Год назад

    Very nice build, definitely going to build it

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Glad you like it and let me know how it works out for you!

  • @Galchoo1
    @Galchoo1 Год назад +2

    Damn. This deck is so toxic it got canceled for being an abusive partner. Bad jokes sneakily related to the recent Chris LeBlanc drama aside, amazing upgrade as always! Maybe we can name the build Schrödinger's Vishgraz, what with all the flickering in and out of existence he is doing along with his comrades?
    Also hey, we got some damn good lore right before the Creature section! Schweet!
    As for the vote, I am gonna choose the Myr Tribal build, simply because the art and concept are downright heartwarming. Reminds me of Wall-E, great movie. (Also, the words "Affinity for Artifacts" might be giving me a bit of PTSD.)
    As a side note, I think there was a strange little pause for about a second after Emiel, The Blessed. Not sure if it's your software glitching, you stopping for a breath, or me tripping, but you might wanna check it just in case.
    Day 563 of waiting for the face reveal. Thoughts on the idea of a player needing 20 poison counters to die in Commander? Cause it is a pretty common idea, even if I don't think it's a good one.

    • @HughandVic
      @HughandVic Год назад +1

      Editor here: Gonna break my vow of silence to promote 20 counters for EDH, pls! k, bye

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Glad you enjoyed the build as usual and sorry for the late response (been really busy on my end and I'm working my way through the backlog of comments)
      Looks like Urtet didn't quite make it this time around, so you may have to brace yourself for the Affinity for Artifacts Mirrodin Flashbacks.
      Unsure about the audio issue, but thanks for bringing it to my attention.
      Regarding 20 poison counters - I honestly never thought about it. 20 seems a bit high, since most infect creatures are usually small and struggle already to do anything in the midgame onwards. Often, I feel that the problem is that an infect deck will knock 1 player out in 2 turns, then get wiped and never recover while the other 2 decks fight out - which sucks for the player that go eliminated. Will bumping poison counters to 20 fix that? Honestly I'm not sure.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      @Rei - Who let you out of the content mines! Get back in there!

  • @Maecii
    @Maecii Год назад +2

    I like the flicker theme. I personally chose to play it pretty straight forward with the new toxic creatures and less infect creatures from the past. My deck is very creature based and typical green ramp who tries to be very fast due to mana advantage. maybe my deck is more boring but comes with the big creatures at the end instead of flickering proliferate creatures.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +1

      Nothing wrong with going the traditional route with Vishgraaz - he can certainty helm it very well after all!

  • @deralpakakrieger7377
    @deralpakakrieger7377 Год назад

    That build looks sweet!

  • @Ev-gd2ys
    @Ev-gd2ys Год назад +1

    Golden Argosy is hugely underrated, in my opinion.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +1

      Agreed - being able to flicker your entire board each turn is pretty solid and I'm surprised more people don't run it. Now, to be be fair, we do have to attack in with it, but its pretty sturdy and, even it it dies, the mass blink should hopefully generate us enough value to make up of its loss.

  • @lelandmeade-miller5081
    @lelandmeade-miller5081 Год назад

    Solid build. Kaya, Geist Hunter would also be good for it - lets you double the amount of mites you're creating in the buildup phase, and then when you're ready to attack gives all those 1/1s with toxic deathtouch to make it more painful to block them, potentially clearing the board only for you to refill it by flickering. Comboing Kaya with Mite Overseer to give the mites first strike makes the trick all the more painful.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Good suggestion! Kaya, Geist Hunter certainly made the short list but not the final build since we have so many creatures that can't block that keeping walkers alive is difficult (with The Eternal Wanderer being an exception since only one creature can attack her per turn and it has to get past Vishgraz to do so). But she does get us a lot of extra mileage out of our flickering for a turn and makes our mites much more dangerous, so I can certainly see her being added to the build!

  • @Badassest
    @Badassest Год назад

    This looks fun as hell! Some of these cards i dont have but the idea of this deck is awesome:) personally i would run vishgraz voltron with doublestrike and trample and tyvar's stand effects- is that too obvious tho? Flicker will be stymied by elesh norn, myrel and etb tapped stax pieces.
    As a note i would think its cool to play vishgraz with a bunch of disenchant cards and liquimetal effects, so much removal that menace will be paramount

  • @kondziu124
    @kondziu124 Год назад

    What cards should we cut to make space for all of these from the video?

  • @taylorjohnson5148
    @taylorjohnson5148 Год назад

    Some stuff I’m running that I got ideas from other videos are Gift of Immortality, kaya’s ghost form, behind the scenes, champion of lamb holt, and possibly 1 or two of the lands you can pay mana into to make a creature unblockable. And because I was able to trade for them, I’m definitely throwing in both elesh norn cards 🎉🎉🎉

    • @taylorjohnson5148
      @taylorjohnson5148 Год назад

      And to keep it on theme I may add Skrelv and skrelv’s hive, Mondrak, and suture priest

    • @taylorjohnson5148
      @taylorjohnson5148 Год назад

      Forgot to add Druid’s deliverance because I assume people will want to swing at me and it sounds like I’ll have a lot of nonblocker’s lol

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      All good suggestions to take advantage of our tokens more and get more graveyard flicker effects in the build!

  • @crovax1375
    @crovax1375 Год назад

    At least Doubling Season sets up it's own joke for dramatically raising the base price of a deck!
    I opened a Graaz so I'm looking forward for that deck 😎

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +1

      Those are the jokes I like best - the ones that write themselves!
      Graz is (hopefully) dropping on 3/11 - so stay tuned!

  • @JustPixelNoIDontWantAnyNumbers

    Oh hey look another Deck that got me to start building a Deck at 1 am. Really gota stop doing this.
    Honestly really cool Idea to take it into a Flicker direction, im not the biggest fan of Poison Counters but this is an interesting Variant.
    I kinda messed around with it as well just now, using kenrith as my Commander as he:
    1) gives me access to all 5 colors
    2) has a one Mana Haste ability which is really neat
    Kinda went all in on Creatures that generate a lot of Tokens on ETB like Hornet Queen and Beetleback Chief, with some Boost Cards like Prava and Glory of Warfare, as well as some flicker goodstuff with Ravenous Chupacabra, Reclamation Sage and Eternal Witness (To be honest I kinda just took most of the flicker goodstuff from your Deck that didn't proliferate)
    Also went with gates for the Manabase since you have District Guide which can search them on ETB as well as a solid amount of Mana fixing. I then threw in some Creature Searching like Fauna Shaman and Rocco to search for anything you might be missing in terms of Creatures.
    Awesome Video and thanks for consistently giving me new Ideas to mess around with

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Glad you enjoyed it! Butting him in the 99 of a Kenrith token themed build is fair, since he just does so much for almost any kind of deck, so I'm sure it will turn out great!

  • @Cormix34
    @Cormix34 Год назад +1

    Been waiting for you to do this one,
    is this your first Azban deck?
    Do you think Vishgraz deck is more powerful than Ixhel?
    I really like this list, seems very fun to play
    Love how all the exile cards work to benefit the gameplan as well as protecting your commander
    Thanks for all you do, as always another great video
    Please never stop

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +1

      Glad to hear you enjoyed it! Flicker builds are always a blact to play and I'm happy I was able to tackle one on the channel!
      This is technically my 2nd Abdzan deck after the Ixhel Precon upgrade, but it is the 1st Abzan build I covered built from scratch.
      I would say that Vishgraaz is more mechanically powerful that Ixhel (his playstyle is more straight forward and he had more tools at his disposal to enable it).
      And I'll keep going for as long as I can so long as folks like you keep watching and supporting the channel!

  • @NateSix2Six
    @NateSix2Six Год назад

    The one thing I would add is if you have the money or got lucky, mondrak glory dominus is amazing. I actually put him into the rebel pre-con. It’s absolutely disgusting.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Yeah, Mondrak would make a superb upgrade - doubling our tokens and being on a easy to make indestructible body turns out to be pretty good!

  • @Charles0002
    @Charles0002 Год назад

    What would you think of Nim’s Deathmantle for this deck? It’s a bit expensive, but you can swing in with Vishgraz all you want and get more mites if they kill it. A bit mana intensive.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Oh yeah - Nim Deathmantle is an other great "on death" flicker style effect to get Vishgraz back into play for us - with the added benefit of making him bigger and "evasive" (though our mileage on that may vary since its Intimidate on a 3 color commander). The only downside with that 4 mana is a bit steep for us to pay to do this, but since we're mostly playing at instant speed anyway, I can see this still working very nicely.
      Great suggestion!

  • @long946
    @long946 Год назад

    Great build! Im going for this next actually (yes even with the LOTR hype 😂). Couple of changes I would make would be to include ixhel, windborn muse, norns decree and ghostly prison.. my playgroup plays a lot of flying and poison counters ahem are always perceived as high threat regardless. Any advice would be welcome!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +1

      Taking this in a more Pillowfort direction is certainly an option, which is what I did for the precon upgrade for Corrupting Influence (which Vishgraz was the alternate commander for) which can be found here - ruclips.net/video/FYSzm-euBdI/видео.html - if your looking for some idea's for a more Pillowfort style build. Hope that helps!

  • @moreplease394
    @moreplease394 Год назад

    Grazzet, I love your deck techs. If I don't copy the deck you make then I at least build my own version. For instance, I did not even know this Commander existed because I've been so busy at work lately. I simply can't keep up with all the new releases. Thanks for all your content!
    P.S. are you using tcgplayer prices or Card Kingdom? I try to use CK prices because the shipping costs of tcgplayer come out to about the same as just buying it from one source like CK. Although some cards get crazy premium prices from CK that I am forced to buy from my LGS or TCG.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +1

      Glad you're enjoying the content and trust me, you're not the only one that can't keep up with all these new releases (WotC releases new cards faster than any content creator can make video's for)!
      I use TCG Player Market Place prices, not including tax or shipping - which is not 100% accurate to be fair but is the fairest way I found to price these out because, just like you said, retailers sometimes charge a premium for cards or take a while for their prices to stabilize - which tends to happen much faster on TCG player.

  • @Deaferbeats
    @Deaferbeats Год назад

    Bring back infect 2023!

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      ONE is certainly doing a great job at doing just that!

  • @antonio-ww7ve
    @antonio-ww7ve Год назад

    I would like to see a Tyrannax Rex build from you

    • @antonio-ww7ve
      @antonio-ww7ve Год назад

      Nevermind just saw your mono-green thicc creature video

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад +1

      Looks like past me already beat you to the punch!

    • @antonio-ww7ve
      @antonio-ww7ve Год назад

      @@GrazzetMTG haha yeah I threw him and “Thrun, Breaker of Silence” into a Halana and Alena build 💪🏽

  • @talos_tv
    @talos_tv Год назад

    Hey, I have two questions:
    The second effect of Vishgraz, which gets me +1/+1 tokens for each poison counter my opponents have, is that effect only when he enters the battlefield? Or is this a permanent effect and if my opponent gets another poison counter in the next round, Vishgraz also gains another +1/+1 token?
    The second question is:
    Is a player safe from poison counters if they have a card that gives hexproof to that creature and player?

    • @long946
      @long946 Год назад

      1. It doesn’t give tokens - it’s a static ability
      2. No they’re not sage from it

  • @gsys_ring
    @gsys_ring Год назад

    Atraxa grand unifier deck build next

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      She would make a fun build around, but I may not have the time to cover her with MOM right around the corner. We'll have to see!

  • @CharlesLacz
    @CharlesLacz Год назад

    Personal opinion, but if you need more than $65 to make the Graaz work well, do it.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      I was able to keep the Graaz build under $65 and, honestly, it works pretty well (though as usual, I included some upgrade options to make it run even better if we have the cash).

  • @barrysetser3909
    @barrysetser3909 Год назад

    A splashy new direction with your build styles - think this is your first blinky deck? Surprised you did not consider Venerated Rotpriest given all the ways you will be targeting your creatures with spells.

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Glad you enjoyed it! This is indeed the first blink deck I covered on the channel and Venerated Rotpriest did make the short list but its base price was just too much and we just had too many other upgrades to cover in the main video. Still, it would make a superb addition to spread our poison around since we have so many targeting spells in this build that hit our own creatures!

    • @barrysetser3909
      @barrysetser3909 Год назад

      @@GrazzetMTG Haven't tried this one yet. Have been slowly updating my various decklists online and have realized that about half my decks are either your designs, or have been modifications of decks you've put on the channel. Great work!
      Oh right, you dropped a new list today

    • @Krevee
      @Krevee Год назад

      ​@@GrazzetMTG What would you recommend taking out if you were to add Venerated Rot Preist?

  • @jinroh2015
    @jinroh2015 Год назад

    my vote is for Urtet

    • @GrazzetMTG
      @GrazzetMTG  Год назад

      Looks like the little myr couldn't stand up to the dragon, so maybe next time.