@@hiddenleaf414 its still damage to the board by letting Yuriko slug everyone, and his decklist has plenty of ramp to just keep doing it. Though personally I would have probably been hitting Yuriko more to try and get Blue Big Spells out of the equation.
@@ColorfulHelices It was less damage on board then just not giving it to him and having 2 more players get in for damage the first few turns. Either the Yuriko player would have died sooner or one of the other 2 players, seeing how Muddstah won with such low life, one extra swing could have been the game for the Slicer player.
@hiddenleaf658 You know slicer converts if it doesn't pass off, right? It was either give it to Yuriko or no one gets it. The first swing hit Opps for 7, so it basicly did a successful round while unequipped. Second time wiffing is just a Yuriko feature.
100% I could be missing something, but did you use Phyrexian altar to activate Eldrazi displacer in the last round? Cause I don’t think Phyrexian altar produces colourless mana.
He tapped two lands and sacrificed one mite. I don't understand why Max conceded here, though. With the Arbiter on the field, he can block the one creature and not get a poison counter-more or less two of them. Or get the one counter from the Apparition. Still not 10. I'm not sure what I'm missing here 😅
I mean it’s a may ability. He could have chosen to give it to the other players and they could have knocked out the Yuriko player or make sure they didn’t have any creatures.
@@hiddenleaf414 Not giving Slicer causes it to flip back into vehicle mode, though, which in turn unattaches all equipment and auras from it, so Max would have to waste mana reequipping Slicer every turn. So Max chose to gamble and hope Micah ran out of ninjas in hand.
I have a doubt, I have Megatron as a commander and I wanted to use him with some equipments, just to protect him or to use the swords, but I thought that when Megatron convert him self he would lose the equipments, but in this game it appeared to me that he would not lose the attachment, can anyone explain to me the ruling? thanks in advance.
Commander ninjutsu should be updated to just include and update commander tax as if you cast it from the command zone. Then they can also print more commander ninjutsu creatures as well. I will say this everytime I see a Yuriko deck.
If he doesn't give Slicer to someone, then it converts. Yeah, it gave Micah an extra attacker to Ninjitsu, but he can only do that so many times before he just has to let Slicer connect, then he can keep giving Slicer to his other opponents.
I don't know if i missed something or not but when slicer had lifelink from basilisk collar, it would have given life link life to everyone who attacked with it
Basically this channel is battle cruiser Cedh, where your old pet deck is 100% optimized and just a turn or three behind an in-meta grindy midrange competitive list. Depending on the opening hand(s), of course.
My 2 favorite decks that I own are slicer and Yuriko. My Yuriko deck is way more consistent than slicer but I play my slicer a bit more aggressively than what this video showed. Also I wouldn’t give slicer to Yuriko because that’s what they want lol.
Giving Slicer to the Yuriko player over and over again is just a big L. Also, Slicer is no longer a casual commander, similar to Kinnan, Winota, Kenrith, Atraxa the Grand Unifier etc.
Like Yuriko decks, Slicer decks can be toned down for more casual EDH. Most cEDH Slicer decks aren't as equipment-heavy as this one. In fact, a lot of them are Godo decks with Godo hidden in the 99, with Slicer being removal bait. As for not giving Slicer, Max had no choice: it's either give it and hope Micah runs out of ninjas in hand and command zone, or let Slicer flip back into vehicle mode and stay useless until Max's next turn, then waste mana to reequip it again. Also, once life totals became dangerously low, people had to block Slicer, meaning Micah could no longer ninjutsu it.
@@DarkEinherjar I am aware as I also have a Slicer cEDH deck. Yes, most cEDH decks with him run Godo combos, yes most of them are stax oriented. Yet some equipment and auras are still ran. I hear the argument that all life totals going down is a net positive for Slicer. Still though, that early on when Yuriko was going to be able to benefit off of it was imo when it was not necessary.
Why does a commander being cedh-able mean they can't be played in casual? That's an overly restrictive rule in my opinion. You build the decks to match your playgroup's power. Commanders don't solely define power of a deck regardless of whether or not some are stronger than others.
Why would you give the Yuriko player Slicer with other opponents who can’t block it? Also just curious because it’s hard to tell in the game but what were you using to give you the colorless mana for the Eldrazi Displacer’s ability each time? Edit: Forgot Slicer converts again if you don’t give it to an opponent!
As I answered in my comment, Micah may not always have ninjas in hand, and not giving Slicer to him means it flips back into vehicle mode, unattaching all permanents from it and preventing more Slicer shenanigans until Max's next turn anyway. Additionally, once Yuriko's and Slicer's damage started to pile up, everyone had to block Slicer, meaning Micah can no longer ninjutsu it.
@@ColorfulHelicesO I didn’t realize Brushland got changed into colorless mana, I only have the old prints with generic mana. How did he do it at the end right before the game ended? He blinked both the displacer and vishgraz but only had a brushland, temple garden and phyrexian altar.
@@hiddenleaf414as far as I can see the Brushland was always available, even partially seperated so it seemed like Muddstuh was aware. Unless you have a specific Timestamp. Misplays can always happen with tapping specific lands
So sad, slicer given to yuriko was a bad move and the yuriko player could have attacked and AFTER combat damage from slicer then ninjitsu yuriko in at the end of combat step. This would have reduced the damage he took from slicer.
Why did maximus keep giving slicer to the yuriko player? It's a may ability, sure having it flip to its vehicle side is annoying but it's better than having to recast it every turn. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Either Micah would run out of ninjas to sneak into the field, or life totals would become so low that people would be forced to block Slicer, so it can't be ninjutsu'd out of the field. Apparently both ended up happening.
You can Ninjutsu *after* first strike damage but *before* normal damage.
Micah could've done a lot more damage with Slicer.
Could also ninjitsu at the END of combat after all damage was dealt
rip in Peace Maximus having a Ninjutsu deck follow his turn with Slicer.
Doesn’t make sense why he would give it to the Yuriko player. It’s a may ability.
@@hiddenleaf414 its still damage to the board by letting Yuriko slug everyone, and his decklist has plenty of ramp to just keep doing it. Though personally I would have probably been hitting Yuriko more to try and get Blue Big Spells out of the equation.
@@ColorfulHelices It was less damage on board then just not giving it to him and having 2 more players get in for damage the first few turns. Either the Yuriko player would have died sooner or one of the other 2 players, seeing how Muddstah won with such low life, one extra swing could have been the game for the Slicer player.
@hiddenleaf658 You know slicer converts if it doesn't pass off, right? It was either give it to Yuriko or no one gets it. The first swing hit Opps for 7, so it basicly did a successful round while unequipped. Second time wiffing is just a Yuriko feature.
Drinking game: drink every time Muddstah says Slicer.
You'll have 10 Poison counters before the 10 minute mark.
That was a good one. Poison deck won but not with poison, and Slicer and Yuriko were menacing as always
RIP Maximus and his Slicer deck for having the Yuriko player going right after him.
What a hard counter, reminds me of a time I had Krarkk vs an artifact deck and I had moggsalvage opening hand
I'm about to build Vishgraz and I'd love to see your list for the flicker interactions
100% I could be missing something, but did you use Phyrexian altar to activate Eldrazi displacer in the last round? Cause I don’t think Phyrexian altar produces colourless mana.
He tapped two lands and sacrificed one mite. I don't understand why Max conceded here, though. With the Arbiter on the field, he can block the one creature and not get a poison counter-more or less two of them. Or get the one counter from the Apparition. Still not 10. I'm not sure what I'm missing here 😅
Toxic 1 gives 1 poison counter even if it’s blocked by a creature.
No
8:06 - okay, didn't see that coming.
Any Chance you have a decklist for your deck MTG Muddstah?
Would love to see the Vishgraz list up on moxfield
Same. Every video I’ve ever seen with Vishgraz, the deck list is omitted.
Haha, I had completely forgotten that Ninjutsu wrecks Slicer strats.
I mean it’s a may ability. He could have chosen to give it to the other players and they could have knocked out the Yuriko player or make sure they didn’t have any creatures.
@@hiddenleaf414 Not giving Slicer causes it to flip back into vehicle mode, though, which in turn unattaches all equipment and auras from it, so Max would have to waste mana reequipping Slicer every turn. So Max chose to gamble and hope Micah ran out of ninjas in hand.
@@DarkEinherjar Ahhhh true forgot about it converting back!
That was a brutal game. Well done!
I have a doubt, I have Megatron as a commander and I wanted to use him with some equipments, just to protect him or to use the swords, but I thought that when Megatron convert him self he would lose the equipments, but in this game it appeared to me that he would not lose the attachment, can anyone explain to me the ruling? thanks in advance.
Megatron isn't a voltron commander. You wanna abuse things like Spine of Ish Sah, Ugin's Nexus, or Portal to Phyrexia with it instead.
@@lokumo13 I know, I didn't ask that >:(
@@lokumo13lol what a useless answer ahahahahahahah
Transforming a creature does not change the zone, so equipments and auras does not fall off, this is the short answer
@@papanurgle1169 Thank you so much! :)
Sorry but how do you flicker at the end, eldrazi displacer requires colorless mana to activate right?
Andrew has a land that produces colorless or white/green mana
I had Brushland out which can tap for colorless.
O okay thanks for clarifying 😅
@@MTGMuddstahHow did you blink both displacer and vishgraz at the end with only one brushland?
@@hiddenleaf414He didn't. Displacer can't flicker itself. I don't know why Max scooped it up here.
Commander ninjutsu should be updated to just include and update commander tax as if you cast it from the command zone. Then they can also print more commander ninjutsu creatures as well. I will say this everytime I see a Yuriko deck.
I don't think maximus knew that slicer's trigger is a may
If he doesn't give Slicer to someone, then it converts. Yeah, it gave Micah an extra attacker to Ninjitsu, but he can only do that so many times before he just has to let Slicer connect, then he can keep giving Slicer to his other opponents.
@@Googleflax Oh shoot I didn't realize that. Ig I didnt read the card lol.
I know most people don't care, but aren't the he/him's redundant? Can't you just state it at the beginning like on tcc and just have gameplay after?
How did Micah get Sword Coast Serpent back? It should've been in his graveyard.
That was fun to watch.
I don't know if i missed something or not but when slicer had lifelink from basilisk collar, it would have given life link life to everyone who attacked with it
Basically this channel is battle cruiser Cedh, where your old pet deck is 100% optimized and just a turn or three behind an in-meta grindy midrange competitive list. Depending on the opening hand(s), of course.
Why Slicer didn't go with the equipaments?
My 2 favorite decks that I own are slicer and Yuriko. My Yuriko deck is way more consistent than slicer but I play my slicer a bit more aggressively than what this video showed. Also I wouldn’t give slicer to Yuriko because that’s what they want lol.
Weird but entertaining game. Slicer was pretty brutal, kinda makes me wanna build it xD No table is complete without a mono-red bully.
kinda wanna make a Sarah Jane and Second Doctor deck that just turns into a Teshar turbo combo in the 98😜
Giving Slicer to the Yuriko player over and over again is just a big L. Also, Slicer is no longer a casual commander, similar to Kinnan, Winota, Kenrith, Atraxa the Grand Unifier etc.
I would be so mad if I was at the table. It's completely idiotic.
Yurikk isn't casual
Like Yuriko decks, Slicer decks can be toned down for more casual EDH. Most cEDH Slicer decks aren't as equipment-heavy as this one. In fact, a lot of them are Godo decks with Godo hidden in the 99, with Slicer being removal bait.
As for not giving Slicer, Max had no choice: it's either give it and hope Micah runs out of ninjas in hand and command zone, or let Slicer flip back into vehicle mode and stay useless until Max's next turn, then waste mana to reequip it again.
Also, once life totals became dangerously low, people had to block Slicer, meaning Micah could no longer ninjutsu it.
@@DarkEinherjar I am aware as I also have a Slicer cEDH deck. Yes, most cEDH decks with him run Godo combos, yes most of them are stax oriented. Yet some equipment and auras are still ran.
I hear the argument that all life totals going down is a net positive for Slicer. Still though, that early on when Yuriko was going to be able to benefit off of it was imo when it was not necessary.
Why does a commander being cedh-able mean they can't be played in casual? That's an overly restrictive rule in my opinion.
You build the decks to match your playgroup's power. Commanders don't solely define power of a deck regardless of whether or not some are stronger than others.
Atraxa is not a broken cEDH commander. I have an atraxa deck that focuses on incubate, it’s definitely not broken by any means 😂
I understand why you wanted to save the Yuriko player but I feel like that’s a mistake. Yuriko just wins out of nowhere
i don't understand that either xD
Why would you give the Yuriko player Slicer with other opponents who can’t block it?
Also just curious because it’s hard to tell in the game but what were you using to give you the colorless mana for the Eldrazi Displacer’s ability each time?
Edit: Forgot Slicer converts again if you don’t give it to an opponent!
brushlland
As I answered in my comment, Micah may not always have ninjas in hand, and not giving Slicer to him means it flips back into vehicle mode, unattaching all permanents from it and preventing more Slicer shenanigans until Max's next turn anyway.
Additionally, once Yuriko's and Slicer's damage started to pile up, everyone had to block Slicer, meaning Micah can no longer ninjutsu it.
I think it’s worth giving slicer around to get more slicer action
@@ColorfulHelicesO I didn’t realize Brushland got changed into colorless mana, I only have the old prints with generic mana. How did he do it at the end right before the game ended? He blinked both the displacer and vishgraz but only had a brushland, temple garden and phyrexian altar.
@@hiddenleaf414as far as I can see the Brushland was always available, even partially seperated so it seemed like Muddstuh was aware. Unless you have a specific Timestamp. Misplays can always happen with tapping specific lands
Why doesn’t Andrew kill Micah with commander damage?
Close one! ❤
More Slicer gameplay is always welcome!
I see syr ginger, I click.
Aw.. i wanted to see syr ginger go off :( maybe next time.
Why does he keep giving slicer to yuriko? It’s a may trigger and he is just giving yuriko free value
Vishgraz 🙌🙌🙌
I hate hate hate yuriko decks
So sad, slicer given to yuriko was a bad move and the yuriko player could have attacked and AFTER combat damage from slicer then ninjitsu yuriko in at the end of combat step. This would have reduced the damage he took from slicer.
Better yet, the Yuriko player could let Slicer deal first strike damage, then ninjutsu a ninja for the regular combat damage.
Slicer is so annoying 😅
it can’t be sacrificed
@@Sakkyun oh shit, i didnt realize that, boi do i hate slicer 😭
Why did maximus keep giving slicer to the yuriko player? It's a may ability, sure having it flip to its vehicle side is annoying but it's better than having to recast it every turn. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
The first time he forgot, which happens. Subsequent turns was because that's just how he wants to play the deck.
Either Micah would run out of ninjas to sneak into the field, or life totals would become so low that people would be forced to block Slicer, so it can't be ninjutsu'd out of the field. Apparently both ended up happening.
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