Good message! Jordan talked about Abraham leaving a life of comfort, heading the call, and sacrificing for something for himself, and ultimately for humanity!
@@gap525660what I say is simply and objectively true. When the mass becomes about self (my role, the priest must face me, I must be a Eucharistic minister, I need to be in front of the people and read and sing etc.) we oriented the mass towards self. Doing this not only looks and feel very Protestant, it becomes something much less than the traditions passed down for thousands of years. This leads to religious indifferentism which leads to skepticism and ultimately to the nihilism (see at 54:30) and will to power we see in the culture today. Head in sand is not a winning strategy, neither is being a jerk rad trad. In the words of CS Lewis, “we’ve removed the organ (tradition) and expect the function.”
How is the NO oriented towards the self when it repeatedly invoked the entire congregation to acknowledge each other and pursue worship of God together? It’s fine if you prefer the TLM-I think it’s a beautiful liturgy as well. But there is nothing wrong with the NO either. It’s a perfectly valid Mass, and maybe you should consider that it isn’t good for you to entertain despairing beliefs like this about your own liturgy. Those thoughts and views do not come from the Lord
@@Seliz463 The NO mimics Episcopalian services. How is it self focused? The priest must face the people, not God. The laity must have roles (“extraordinary” minister”, cantors who must stand in front of the laity) laity reading. Interesting position for a church based in/on truth, which is based in/on tradition to adopt worship practices of heretical churches. But yes, the evil one will use the skepticism that comes from this less obvious form of religious indifferentism, aiming towards the nihilism/will-to-power we see today. The answer has always been returning to tradition. We all need to wrestle with Dostoevsky’s Grand Inquisitor, because that’s the character of many running the church today. God bless you in these confusing times.
We absolutely have to accept our true identity as children of God. Otherwise, we follow all the false paths of identity
Keep the gardening going! I’m hooked on it.
Discipline equals freedom as jocko says
Thanks!
The Big 3🔥
Good message! Jordan talked about Abraham leaving a life of comfort, heading the call, and sacrificing for something for himself, and ultimately for humanity!
Amen!
I love the virtue of Hope. Thats my go to prayer in the theological virtues. The 1962 missal has a beautiful prayer towards hope.
Good stuff here. Finding Lent to be a nice reminder of just how much fun self denial is.
The package analogy is relatable 😂 25:19
Great episode!
@nathanngumi8467. Thanks! God bless you this Lent.
St. Escriva, pray for us.
He talked about sacrifice, the call, and so many things and connected it to the story of Abraham
Hidden in plain sight.
I went to Jordan Peterson’s talk this week
I have been twice and always enjoy the thought experience! - Blessings, John
Is this live?
The call to die to self as Jesus did in the garden. How does one see this in a mass largely oriented toward self as the NO mass is?
The Real Presence of Christ is right in front of us at any Catholic Mass. No need to denigrate the NO Mass or the Latin Mass
@@gap525660what I say is simply and objectively true. When the mass becomes about self (my role, the priest must face me, I must be a Eucharistic minister, I need to be in front of the people and read and sing etc.) we oriented the mass towards self. Doing this not only looks and feel very Protestant, it becomes something much less than the traditions passed down for thousands of years. This leads to religious indifferentism which leads to skepticism and ultimately to the nihilism (see at 54:30) and will to power we see in the culture today. Head in sand is not a winning strategy, neither is being a jerk rad trad. In the words of CS Lewis, “we’ve removed the organ (tradition) and expect the function.”
@@gap525660 The Real Presence is God's part. The Liturgy is ours.
How is the NO oriented towards the self when it repeatedly invoked the entire congregation to acknowledge each other and pursue worship of God together?
It’s fine if you prefer the TLM-I think it’s a beautiful liturgy as well. But there is nothing wrong with the NO either. It’s a perfectly valid Mass, and maybe you should consider that it isn’t good for you to entertain despairing beliefs like this about your own liturgy. Those thoughts and views do not come from the Lord
@@Seliz463 The NO mimics Episcopalian services. How is it self focused? The priest must face the people, not God. The laity must have roles (“extraordinary” minister”, cantors who must stand in front of the laity) laity reading. Interesting position for a church based in/on truth, which is based in/on tradition to adopt worship practices of heretical churches. But yes, the evil one will use the skepticism that comes from this less obvious form of religious indifferentism, aiming towards the nihilism/will-to-power we see today. The answer has always been returning to tradition. We all need to wrestle with Dostoevsky’s Grand Inquisitor, because that’s the character of many running the church today. God bless you in these confusing times.