That dont work cause dbz movies scale above the anime Raditz in the manga can be like planer lv And garlic jr can be star lv To solar system lv depending on where you scale black holes
Power scaling methods are weird... just because you can summon a portal to another dimension doesn't mean you can like... destroy multiple dimentions or whatever. Glad you didn't say that, but even the thought was weird.
@@enragedbard In the original filler They said he created it But in later media they kinda change it to just garlic just open the portal ( maybe they relise how inconsistent it is so they decide to make a retcon)
Man I always laugh as hell when I see broly tanking that kamehameha "no reaction" but in all seriousness this video is awesome as always much love brother
Saitama is atleast getting until the broly(from dbz) movie, since broly is an ABSOLUTE beast, since he powers up out of knowhere, +we know the fact that saitama unnitentionally mocks his enemies, making them angrier, which is something that broly uses to power up. His own anger.
@@Unremarkable6969 yea im also in between janemba and broly, which both are stated to violate the whole universe if they wanted to, so its kinda hard to choose in between whose stronger.
@@ro-player2.045 what i think is the differential is How Broly is portrayed in PRE DBS Media, especially in games and Guide Books, making me think TOEI implies that broly is that guy
Saitama (most likely) clears until late namek era - Androids appear. Saitama scaling: High end (Highball/wank) - High Universal AP/dura infinite speed. Mid end (consistent scale) - Galaxy - Multi Galaxy AP/dura Mftl+ speed. Low end (low-ball/downplay) - Star level - Small Solar system AP/Dura w ftl speeds. While Im a guy who does put feats + statements above "narrative", I'm going to wait for more proof that saitama can be scaled to universal+ consistently to have him breach that 1st movie Cooler point. Saitama is a Cell saga tien victim btw.
@crashtime3429 He scales to low Multiversal, and he has the feats for it. You can’t say high universal is a wank when he literally has a low Multiversal feat
@@thegodofnamekians2074 dimension slash, although it can't destroy the universe its literally cutting it, meaning uni+ AP, he caught 2 of the attacks from the blade making him low multiversal
The scan where you say Saitama’s bleeding is very vague, I’m sure not everyone would agree with him bleeding. Void escaping to the higher dimension is hax, it has nothing to do with his AP, Void has shown no feat that he can affect the higher dimension, he doesn’t scale to and certainly his blades don’t scale it, however, Saitama catching the dimension blades can be argued to be infinite attack speed since they say it ignores distance.
@@siphezulu5119 yea duh he doesn't scale to the hyperspace he's in which would be multiversal+ or low complex multi but he scales to the lower space since he's now able to affect it which is Uni+
@@siphezulu51191. of course it's hax he wasn't trying to argue it scales to AP 2.He goes there to make his slash stronger so the slash is 4D 3. It ignoring distance is a mistranslation
Nah bro broly’s growth isn't depicted as limitless in the same way as Saitama's. Broly's power increases through intense emotions and battles, but there are still constraints within the Dragon Ball universe. Saitama's nature as a parody character means he defies the logic and rules that apply to characters like Broly. His feats, such as shaking universes and transformations, are exaggerated to highlight the absurdity of typical superhero and shonen anime power-ups. Also, regarding the nosebleed and injuries, do you count bruises or cuts on Goku when he is just in his base form? No, because minor injuries don’t define their power. The same applies to Saitama. He’s as strong as he needs to be in any given situation. Given that he's a gag/parody character, Saitama just beats everyone. His minor injuries are mere plot devices rather than true vulnerabilities
A couple things. One, you might be thinking of DBS Broly. DBZ Broly is a completely different character, and his growth works differently. Two, Saitama is a parody, and I have my own thoughts about this, but to make it brief I think people are oversimplifying it, by saying he's an unbeatable gag character. Three, I included those two pages because people claim Saitama has NEVER been hurt before.
@@Unremarkable6969 Yes, I was talking about DBZ Broly. As I mentioned, he isn't considered truly limitless like Saitama. For those who simplify Saitama as a parody/gag character, they're correct. He is clearly depicted as such, defying conventional laws and norms. You can choose not to believe it, but that's how he's portrayed. And yes I know, you were just showing it for that, and I was simply explaining on why that is.
@@Xit_ff4xYeah probably in his own way. they serve a different purpose compared to Saitama's feats. Kid gokus accomplishments in the series highlight his strength, resilience, and innocence, often adding a sense of adventure and humor. However, Saitama is designed as a parody character with limitless power, intentionally defying conventional superhero tropes. They aren’t really comparable
Ive shared my points, if you dont agree thats fine, im not gonna reply, because i know how lengthy youtube anime arguments can get lol. And im too old for it nowadays
I want to point out for the garlic jr part, saitama has punched through phoenix space which is a spiritual/mental space outside of the physical realm where time flows differently. Saitama said he heard whispers from somewhere and just punched a space into the realm…he heard whispers in another realm. Now idk what that does to his scaling but I don’t think the dead zone would stop saitama regardless
13:20 OBJECTION! As a fellow OPM meat-rider, Saitama DID NOT BLEED, it was just the shards of Garou's fist. Q. Why did Saitama got knocked back, if he wasnt hurt? A. HE GETS KNOCKBACKED EVERYSINGLE TIME HE FACES A OPPONENT. Its cleary mentioned even in the OPM manga that saitama admits in this fight that he wasn't affected at all. no hate btw:3
I'm still a bit iffy at the Uni+ scalling of Saitama as you need to affect or destroy a 4D space in order to be Uni+, we do know Void's slash is from a higher dimension but we don't know if it scales TO THAT higher dimension, it is stated capable of slicing space though so that could scale him up to 4D + if you use that transcending dimensions statements maybe that could work. Regardless yeah Janemba's bullying him 😂
There's a few common mistakes that I've seen a lot of people repeat. First is attributing Namek's explosion directly to Frieza. He held back and only used enough power to destroy the core. That was it, that's all Frieza did to the planet. Then without its core it destabilized in about 5 minutes and basically self-destructed. Frieza didn't plant a bomb in it, he just destroyed the core and then it blew up on its own. Obviously Frieza could've destroyed Namek easily, that's not the issue. The issue is when people take the explosion and attribute it to Frieza. People even try to get it to galaxy level because there's some guidebook snippet that says light and debris from Namek was cast across the galaxy or something. Second is that people keep saying Broly destroyed a galaxy by powering up. The Z Broly movie opening shows a galaxy fading away, while the subtitles say that the South Galaxy has come under attack by a Super Saiyan. The dub says that the South Galaxy has been shattered by a Super Saiyan, but considering that half the movie takes place in the South Galaxy with stars and planets all over, it's safe to say that the dub is a little misleading if taken to mean the galaxy was wiped out all at once. Also nothing anywhere ever even indicated that Broly powering up destroyed anything at all, so I don't know where people keep getting the idea that him powering up destroyed a galaxy. You didn't say that, but it is something I see all the time. Another is taking an interpretation of an image caption in a guidebook over the primary source material of both the manga and anime. It is directly shown many times that Other World and the mortal realm work with the same time frame and are part of the same dimension. Beings in Other World directly observe events in the mortal realm as they happen in real time, with no idea of what will happen and no control over events. If Other World was a higher dimension completely transcending the mortal realm, this wouldn't be the case. While characters on Earth wait six months for Goku to complete his training with King Kai, Goku is training for six months. While Gotenks is training for a day on Earth, Gohan is training for a day with the Kaioshin. This point is even laid out explicitly in the Buu saga. When Gotenks and Piccolo take Buu into the time chamber, Goku is no longer able to sense their ki. Old Kai explains that it's because they're in the another dimension. The same thing happens with Cocette's bubble dimensions in the ToP. Characters can't detect each other from different dimensions, yet they routinely detect each other between Other World and the mortal realm. They are the same dimension. And finally a minor point - Saitama's growth as shown on the graph was only over the span of trading a few punches, and it was something like a 55 times increase, not just a few. It then continued to an unknown degree until Garou could no longer even measure the gap. It's a very, very dramatic rate of growth which would make Saitama unimaginably stronger in even less than a second. True exponential growth is nutty. And that's not the limit of his growth rate, as having no limiter removes all growth restrictions. Not just overall potential, but rate of growth as well. The only thing Saitama really needs to increase his growth rate is motivation.
I don't even like scaling characters, but you're absolutely down playing half of the feat this characters have shown, and if anything, you're absolutely giving saitama some absurd ass feats. saying "it was something like a 55 times increase in a few punches" is fucking insane, when never in the manga it was stated that any of the things that you have said are TRUE. anyways, janemba crippled, with no sight and hearing would ABSOLUTELY body slam saitama, and I think saitama is fucking strong and probably clears most of dbz/dbz movies.
@@Demon-mu1mt I didn't downplay any feats. I explained that Namek's explosion and the destruction in the South Galaxy are commonly misunderstood. Frieza didn't blow up Namek and Broly didn't wipe out the South Galaxy. I can't downplay these feats because these feats don't exist. And I wasn't downplaying the characters either, I even said that Frieza could easily destroy Namek. I was just clarifying what actually occurred. There's nothing absurd about knowing how to read a graph. Though my memory was a bit off, it's more like 50 times. He started at about 0.3 units on the y axis and grew to about 16 units. That's a growth of 48 times. You can be more precise by pasting the image in a pixel counter. Then he grew to a level Garou could no longer measure. Keep in mind that previously Garou had instantly measured and copied Saitama's serious punch which accidentally wiped out countless stars, even though till that point the strongest punch he copied was Saitama's normal punches which didn't cause any collateral damage.
I disagree with your otherworld point. 1: the reason the beings in the afterlife cant interact with the living world is because the living world and the abstract are abstract from each other, they are only connected in the most metaphysical sense. 2: the reason why it seems like they run on the same time rate, it's because there's no time dilation between the two. Time dilation can only happen when both of the realms have time, the afterlife didn't have time. And before you come up with any argument saying that it does have time. Answer this analogy The train is time The place is present The train never stops constantly changing places. You are taken out of that train for an hour and then are put back into that train if that train gonna be in the same place or is it gonna be in a different place. 3: the reason why they probably couldn't sense their ki in the time chamber, it's because there's a time dilation There. And the top incident is probably because the wov is poverty even on a more abstract level then the afterlife. Since the wov is abstract from the entirety of the universes. As for the rest of the text i don't really disagree.
@@gamerforever300 I don't know, sounds too much like head canon. Beings from Other World and the Living World are perfectly capable of interacting with each other. Bulma could be brought to the Grand Kaioshin planet and kick Old Kai right in the nards, it's not like she needs to be given some special transcendental or metaphysical form, or like she has any trouble comprehending these divine beings. And there's nothing in the material somehow using time dilation as a reason for why both realms obviously share the same time frame. There's one or two references to time working differently in Other World, which refers to Goku expending energy. It could easily be interpreted to mean that Goku had more time to train during the time that he was in Other World, or that time works differently in that a spiritual body doesn't have to worry about energy or running out of stamina. Interpreting it to mean that time literally doesn't exist there would contradict basically every arc. If time didn't exist, then characters would be able to train there as much as they want with no time passing on Earth. If time is a train and the present is a place, then when you get off the train you will be frozen in the present moment. You can do whatever you like for as long as you like, and time (the train) will have no effect on your place (the present). Then when you get back onto the train, you will continue on from that present moment to the next present moments at the rate that time passes. What I meant by having no control over events was that if Other World was a higher dimension that exists outside and above the spacetime of the Living World, then that would mean that these "higher dimensional beings" wouldn't be stuck biting their nails worried about what will happen next. They should already know what happens, they should completely transcend the entire situation. There is time dilation between the time chamber and Universe 7, but there was no time dilation between the ToP arena (which did have normal passing time) and Cocette's dimensions. Everything happened at the same time inside and outside them. Just the fact that it was a different dimension made Goku unable to detect them. If Other World was a different dimension from the Living World, Goku would not be able to detect others on Earth from there. If Other World was in a higher dimension literally transcending the time and space of the Living World, there should be dramatic time dilation and again, Goku would not be able to detect people on Earth.
I'm not sure of when or how I found out about you but you're one of my favorite Power scaling channels alongside Lonk's Takes and Goji Chronic. Love your stuff, keep pumping peak 💪🏻
Remember the devil guy? His beam could even one shot frieza if it hit him But his power level are still super low just because his pure stat are weak So I dont really see any problem with garlic Jr since his pure stat are kinda weak. I think that power level in Dragon ball only count your stat and not your abilities/hax Second I also dont think Garlic Jr immortal are as strong as Zamasu one. I think it more like buu one,which could instant heal him unless you can vaporize him in to nothing(i think saitama with current feats could do that,since garlic durability is really weak) And you forget to mention about metal cooler speed:}}} Anyway,the video is pretty good
W and it's stated in super exciting guide books that it's don't have the concept of time and space and in the daizenshuu 4 it's stated that it's Transcend dimensionality and in the rpg guide books it's stated that after life is connected to microcosm in the most highest possible level of metaphysical
I brought up two of those things later in the video, but I don't generally like the info in the RPG guidebook. It's fine, just not usually needed for my points.
Not bad though considering I think he is built to power creep faster and he has had a shorter manga run (200+ chapters compared to the 1000 chapters in db-dbs).
I think the real question is would Saitama be motivated to stop the main villain? Think of all the monsters and disasters he doesn’t fight simply because he can’t be bothered
Great video as always, despite u accurately scaling Saitama I’m sure u will still get comments from Saitama glazers saying he’s infinitely strong when he’s so obviously not 💀
Honestly can’t wait for super vs gt goku! Keep up the great work man your videos are honestly more entertaining than most of the people on the platform. You’re the goat! Keep it up!
Bro got opm fans happy for a second before crushing it by mentioning fusion reborn and the 4d to outer scaling of afterlife. Ngl that was funny to watch, i had to rewatch that
Sorry if I’ll be a nerd, but saitama did not bleed during the battle with cosmic garou, it would make no sense for the purposes of the story since it is almost assumed that there will be a fight towards the end of the series between Saitama and God (that having given a small part of its power to cosmic garou is obviously infinitely stronger than the latter) and for the purposes of logic that was not blood but debris (probably derived from the same arm of cosmic garou that began to shatter in contact with saitama’s face) While for noisebleed, that was not a noisebleed but simply called them (dirt caused by the fight) I do not know how to call them (I am not native English) and finally if really saitama had bled, the author would have done everything to highlight it since it would be a historical event for the serie
@HORROR-vt1gm And YOU have no idea how ki works lmao Ki=life force. Simple his ki is lowered he takes more damage if he's sleeping again lowered takes damage
@@Bardocks_Fig_Collection mmm,so you wanna say saitama can one shot any goku if he relax? because by your word,if goku relax than his durability low to street lvl,because he was hurt by pebble and was killed by some laser beam that gonna reflect from saitama bald head damn you really underrated him by that way saitama get hurt by cat,than goku from that cat gonna be dead by your word again..dont put jokes scenes+saitama was already being slashed by monster cat and he was not care about that
@@Bardocks_Fig_Collection I mean the cat thing Is probably just a gag, but i saw a theory very very plausibile, saitama's power have a limite, it's imagination, he thinks cat scratches hurts so it hurts, he thinks flys are uncatchable so he can't catch a fly and he thinks he is too strong for everyone so he doesn't get hit, but just a theory
About Hakai : Beerus's statement was probably a bluff as mortals were relying too much on god's so he wanted mortals to deal with their problems on their own. We can literally see Goku erasing Merged Zamasu using an imperfected Hakai.
@@frieza1143 when I said "Goku erasing Merged Zamasu using an imperfected Hakai" it means I am talking about Manga since Goku doesn't use Hakai in anime.
Saitama grows EXPONENTIALLY. VSBW calcs that it's FIFTY-FIVE TIMES. And the only person who knew how powerful he was had become so left in the dust that YET AGAIN, HIS POWER SEEMED INFINITE.
Freeza trained for TEN YEARS In four months, Freeza went from weaker than SSJ Goku on Namek to stronger than SSJ Blue Goku in RoF Saitama is not touching Black Freeza
Thats not blood thats just effects like dirt and whatnot. Literally every single fight has this stuff, including past fights with Saitama. If Saitama was actually injured for the first time in the series it would've been a big deal and explicitly stated.
In that time he only wants to kill garou and have no care for any thing so it obvious that he doesn't show any thing to when he spit blood That's how blood looks in the manga
@@Unremarkable6969 Garou has crumbly crackling skin which broke several times throughout the fight. It's probably some of his flaky ass skin. Imagine you throw a piece of charcoal at a stone wall. The charcoals going to shatter and the wall will be completely intact but have charcoal residue stuck on it from the impact. That's what I believe, either that or various dusts / debris. Like I said, if Saitama ever takes damage, you'll know.
I can’t believe immediately after I asked Unremarkable about Goku vs Saitama HE MADE THIS VIDEO. Funny thing is that the fucking comment I replied to was from a “how far would Saitama go in this dragon ball z movie bracket” or some goofy shit. W video man
Dragon ball Solar system is size of a galaxy the glaxy is the size of a universe, and universe is size of a multiverse and there's infinite more those in the db universe
Thing is, considering that the supposed "last boss" of OPM, is someone reffered as "GOD", it can be said that Saitama will show either something close to his actual power ceiling, or his actual power ceiling, and whatever that is, might make him on par with Janemba.
@@jayblueguy9932 Saitama is a lot more complex than "funny strong guy", and I honestly think people who boil him down to an unbeatable gag character are missing the point. We have multiple examples of Saitama punching someone, and not killing them instantly. Mostly comedic moments, but also serious ones like Saitama VS Boros. Saitama is an endgame protagonist who's too strong for the story he's in. Everyone else in his verse is drastically underpowered compared to him.
Well you could argue that they're similar, for example, in OG Dragon Ball Goku was a gag character. His "gag" was that he was incredibly strong, despite being so small and innocent. Which was in stark contrast to the VERY popular Fist of the North Star, which inspired a lot of Dragon Ball's later elements like the tournaments.
If we’re high balling the dbz movies to outer, then why didn’t you highball saitama to outer? He definitely showed some outerversal feats that not too many people know about
Phoniex mans space is a spiritual realm. The spirit realm isn’t bound by dimensionality or time. There’s also a few other stuff I can tell you about if you want.
@@shubhamsonsurkar3782 yes, it’s from the manga. I believe it would be in OPM season 3 since this happened during the early days of the monster association arc. If you research the spiritual dimension, you would know it is a non-physical space where it isn’t bound by dimensionality or time/space. It’s not a complicated topic like the MWI in OPM. I suggest you take a look at it and then tell me what you think.
I don't think his growth was an emotional reaction. I think it's part of his gimmick: Saitama will grow to outmatch whoever he is facing because he's a parody of power scaling. Garou is the cliche anime character that gets stronger due to his drive and emotions, and Saitama dunks on that by getting stronger just because.
@Unremarkable6969 Saitama's pants were ripped when he merged with his past self, so he had some power transfer from the fight with Garou, so I think that's why he could catch the swords from empty void.
Good thing you pointed out how bs that statement about the Death Zone is. I’m kinda tired of seen people just accepting that without considering the narrative of the series
Empty void is 5D, we have already seen the 4th dimension before in MA arc when saitama uses zero punch. Void is not only outside of the universe he’s outside the causality of the universe *which is basically a timeline* and outside of the timeline we would see a higher dimensional space that holds other timelines, this is where 5D and MWI comes in. 5D is usually Multiversal+ but in voids case it’s only low Multiversal bcuz he can only slash through 2 universes at a time (2 blades). A 5D being is only Multiversal+ when they can slice through every universe at once Therefore empty void is *Low Multiversal 5D*
@SolarNovaBlast just say hyperspaces are 4D spatial. But theres the addition of a temporal dimension. Making them 5D. Hyperspaces contain something known as the W axis. Which is the special additional dimension making the dimension slash 5D and by proxy Saitama
@@Unremarkable6969in his mouth? His mouth was closed the whole time lmao you blind? Tht was dirt on his face like a real person would have during a fight. 😂Saitama never take damage so far. You mad that goku ss3 got hurt and bleed by janemba weak azz slash sword and you goku ss3 can beat Saitama? You really are a db fan. I don't even like Superman and I know that Superman beats Saitama and goku.
You keep getting better with every video lil bro 🙏 btw make a video discussing whether Saitama could surpass Gojo's Infinity (no I don't have money it's just a suggestion 😭)
On the topic of Fusion Reborn, remember that iconic scene where Goku going Super Saiyan 3 is felt throughout the entire afterlife? In the latter part of the Buu saga, Goku and Vegeta on Sacred World of the Kai’s (supposedly in their Ssj2 forms) power up, and Kid Buu, who is in the otherworld, feels their energy, and teleports there to fight them. At this point, Goku and Vegeta must be stronger than they were when they fought earlier in the saga, with Vegeta likely being stronger than when he was Majin Vegeta. Goku meanwhile, according to someone I heard somewhere I’m not sure where, is around Ultimate Gohan because of his revival at Old Kai’s hands. Maybe this isn’t as impressive as Gogeta being sensed on Earth from Hell, but maybe it is. Another Kai was seen with King Kai when Buu attacked the afterlife, so maybe it isn’t heaven , I don’t remember. Also, Kid Buu going to the afterlife was something I’ve only heard of from the anime, so I’m not sure if the manga did something similar. With the movies’ Wack scaling, I don’t know if these two feats are comparable, but I just wanted to point this out somewhere.
The Zammasu immortality is not the same immortality that the og dragon balls grant since the immortality of Zammasu was granted by Super Shenlong (so its the strongest possible version of immortality available in verse) Judge by statement from og Shenlong he cannot do or grant whats not in the power of his maker so at best the granted immortality from him would allow you to survive a lot of punishment but the Berrus stament isnt applicable. Cool vid btw man
I would argue that the wishing for Immortality would produce the same result, no matter which Dragon you wish upon. But I did consider that as a possibility while making the video.
I think the realistically Saitama would get about as far as Battle of Gods before he loses. Up until then, it could be argued that every character during the time frame of Z doesn't even break Universal due to translations, filler and other non canon stuff that a good portion of people in the fandom don't consider canon even by movie standards. It's only when you get to Beerus that Saitama folds because he's stated to be far above universal in BOG alone due to him and Goku nearly destroying the universe on accident with a single punch.
W scaling but i think he would stop at bog movie bcz i think goku shaking the other world would be universal since the statements of other world trascending the living world and the living world being infinite aren't backed up by feats and i don't think it being backed up by takoyama doesn't help either since it's will be considered an author fallacy so it's would be universal only But your scaling is valid unlike some people who try to say that kid goku from the original db is 4D don't ask me how bcz i don't understand how they managed to get him there in the first place
@Unremarkable6969 yeah I already saw someone saying that any character in dragon even the weakest one is high outer (i'm not joking) I can't wait for the next update where db fans try to say a random newborn baby 0.000001% power is inaccessible layers into boundless
My theory is that a character needs a certain amount of power in their universe to broke that universe and basically be infinite in that infinite space (a 3D infinite space), doesn't matter if it has more or less power after that amount, so basically a star level character can be 3D infinite because it surpass the power their universe can handle, this also highly depends on the story writer
Here is my thing, first off, ironically regardless of how we scale Saitama; he ends around buu saga and janemba in terms of how far he goes. We actually agree on that. But when it comes to scaling you must be able to destroy, create, or significantly affect an object in order to scale to it. Creating hyperspaces and going to higher dimensions doesnt scale you anywhere. Just because i can create a door or destroy a door, doesnt mean i can make or destroy a house. Just because i walk into a house doesnt mean im as strong as one. Thats simply not how scaling works. But if you believe it does work like that, then yes saitama would be 4D. Scaling to empty void. And guess who would also fit that description? Garlic jr for creating hyperspaces. And it doesn't have to make sense to the anime since it doesnt scale to the anime. Anime garlic jr is not the same as the movie version. Same as goku in the movies isnt the same as anime goku. And honestly people have wanked frieza to universal based on statements alone, so garlic jr being universal + isnt that far off. 😂 Also planet earth in dragonball contains the time room, a room where all timelines exist and converge. In the og dragonball kid goku uses this place to go back into time. Meaning it contains at least one timeline. Meaning by the time you are planet level, you actually can scale to at least 1 timeline, which is universal +. So unironically garlic jr can scale to universal + anyway. 🤷♂️ And guess who would also scale to universal +? Gotenks and super buu for breaking a hole in reality. Which is 4D since they broke a portion of a universe. And this is to say nothing of heaven and otherworld, which you agree is a higher dimension. Goku goes there all the time. 😂 and he attacked from this dimension during the bojack movie and in canon with the father son kamehameha. Is this not what empty void did? Would this upscale cell and bojack to 5D or higher? Probably.😂 but its the same as what empty void did. _____ So scale however you want, but be consistent. You cant have one anime scaling off of a different definition of scaling. Bare minimum the definitions must be applied equally. Goku has to literally nearly destroy multiple 4D spaces or shake them in order to qualify to 4D. But all saitama has to do is touch some portals or catch some swords? 😂 And this is considered fair?😂 And im not just picking on saitama, bleach and naruto fans do the exact same thing. Weve got 4D naruto's and ichigos running around based on the exact same logic. 😂 _____ Now remember i reject all of this scaling. Goku doesnt get solid 4D scaling until DBS. And in the movies he doesnt reach it at all. Saitama doesnt either. ____ So ironically saitama makes it to janemba anyway, with broly being a really close fight which could go either way. 🤔 Come to think of it, how is saitama getting past metal coolers immeasurable speed? And metal cooler can just destroy the planet and leave saitama floating in space. 😂 thats bfr. 😂
For the last part Saitama is more than durable enough to survive a planet exploding, also if Meta-Cooler did blow up the planet it would also destroy the Big Gete Star. (Which would destroy Meta-Cooler in the process)
This. Pretty much being saying this. Void ninja out here literally just travels around the multiverse like miguel O'Hara with a technique rather than technology and I Don't see no one say that he's 4d. All Empty Void is doing is travel to other worlds and teleporting attacks onto people from outside them. Like if I walked outside a house and Was able to shoot someone from outside it while they're locked in there. That doesn't scale me to destroying the house. I'm just shooting them through an open window or the wall. Without damaging the house. Same ways goes for him. He hops into the little multiverse hub. Looks at what universe he's interest in and he can either travel to it or send an attack into it from the outside. If it was 4d immeasurable speed bs then flashy flash should scale to it since he dodged it ☠️ Fodder flash out here outscaling saitama and Cosmic Garou. Is that what OPM fans want? Anyone who knows of for example Error sans. From the undertale fandom. The guy literally does the same shit as void ninja. He lives in a higher dimensional space and can travel to alternative universes. And even attack them. But unlike void ninja he can actually destroy them but he usually requires going inside the universe and killing characters to then begin tearin the world appart slowly. He's actually capable of destroying universes. And yet he's doubted any 4d scaling. Originally that's what everyone agreed on but they realized that unless he was tearing multiple universes with ease he wouldn't scale to that 4d space he's in. So ultimately he was left at Universal+ and that's for a character who has way more feats than void. And is actually shown destroying timelines and universes. So where does that put empty fraud?
Giving Saitama Universal+ levels of ap just because he can interact with 4D objects or stop 4D attacks is a ridiculous wank imo. Until Saitama is stated to or is shown destroying an entire universe he's staying at multi solar system to multi galaxy level max.
Mm, SeththeProgrammer has been making good videos recently, so that's a compliment? I think. I really liked his recent discussion video on Death Note's ending.
@@Unremarkable6969 yeah it's a match no one pays attention to and on here it be a first one for a longer format video since all it had is basically shorts. Hell you can give saitama everything he has shown even the time travel for it to be somewhat fair
@@Mexican1632and goku neg diff arale via erasing arale from existence ALSO yes arale would get erase also goku can erase her so its very bad using that argument. 😂😂
2:28 he literally pulled empty void through the 4th demension right down to the third Edit: what kind of twisted warfare did I wake up to in the replies?💀
@@Unremarkable6969 it's the 5th dimension. Saitama has actually gone to the 4th dimension once already in MA arc when he uses zero punch. What he traveled through was the 4th dimension allowing him access to another coordinate which is time. If u play minecraft u will understand easier. Also Mwi Multiverse = 5D Outside of Causality = 5D Remember 4D is still bound by physical laws aswell since it's still within the space-time
I think there's a few points you didn't really mention and one of these is the immeasurable speed that Meta Cooler would scale to. Meta Cooler and Goku fight each other inside instant transmission a space stated to not have time or space in it which would give him immeasurable speed due to fighting Goku for a prolonged period of time. You could argue that Saitama would never be able to hit Meta Cooler it might end in a stalemate unless Saitama grows to Meta Cooler's speed. The second point is that Takao Koyama calls Broly to be the strongest movie villain and he couldn't make anyone stronger. Now I'm not saying this is necessarily correct or anything. But if you take this statement literally Broly would scale above Super Saiyan Gogeta who demolished Super Janemba. I don't personally scale Broly to that level but I think for the sake of the video you could mention that as a stopping point. The last point is that I wouldn't necessarily take Goku shaking the afterlife as the feat of choice because I remember SethTheProgrammer making a video on the movie villains and he said that shaking the universe wouldn't scale you to the universe it would only scale you to the shaking. So it would be like a Multi-Galaxy feat. The comparison was if a person shakes a car by pushing the top that your not car level your just shaking a part of the car. The feat I would compare Goku to is the fact that Fat Janemba was able to warp more than 1 world using his reality warping by simply existing and Goku was able to fight this Janemba to the point where Fat Janemba had to transform to beat Super Saiyan 3 Goku which would make Goku and Janemba Low-Multiversal in my opinion massively scaling above Saitama and having immeasurable speed.
I just don't see Saitama getting past Cooler who can fight within the instant transmission dimensions, constantly adapts, and has near limitless recovery. Saitama would need to oneshot the entire Cooler army and the Big Gete star in a single punch to prevent Cooler from just adapting again and again to his attacks.
This would just be a garou scenario again where saitama breaks metal cooler and he adapts but saitama within that instance would just throw a punch even greater
@@Unremarkable6969 you're not so smart as garlic Jr. IF garlic jr cant defeat Saitama then don't you think garlic jr would try to open up that dumb weak portal to try to kill Saitama? But cant since Saitama too strong and ending up punching garlic Jr inside?. Same way you're coming up with dumb azz what if scenario, then so can I. 😂. This guy.
@@Unremarkable6969 because you make no sense. At least danco shows power attack and durability. Not u tho because you know dbs fighters as the durability of a mountain level
The maker of the video said that was a highball. But in my oppinion,it is a good highball considering the fact that Saitama has a loth of statement suggesting that hes strength is limitless/bottomless,plus catching that sword which is a higher dimensional attack
Yea didn't speed and sonic saw it before getting telepleded. That like me saying goodbye to my lived one's before getting hit by the omega beams same attack that made flash run his fastest.
@@samuraiblack8840 ff and sonic seeing the attack doesn't change the fact that the attack is a smurf attack and has a loth of other higher dimensional properties
isn't it crazy how bro was able to point out only 2 parts of the manga where saitama was hurt. all they were was him spitting a lil blood and him with a lil nose blead.
@@I-WILL-o2z But the dead zone scaling is inconsistent with how it is shown in the actual movie 💀 And Saitama has greater strength and speed feats than radits lvl fodder like garlic jr
Stops at garlic or metal cooler, you do realize that metal cooler has immeasurable speed, and garlic junior is uni+ due to the movies being another dimension in the series so they aren’t in the same universe so that means they aren’t the same as in the regular z series also Broly destroys a cluster of galaxies which are Inf so yea he stops at garlic
@orion_paxx a hyperspace is a space with more than 3 dimensions meaning 4 or more which is universal metal cooler is the same person who caught goku in instant transmission like in the midst of teleporting and they were in a place where they moved beyond linear time
The hyperspace is a place that 3d construct connecting two 3d areas. It is not a 4d area. And being above 3d is not equal to being universal, or anything, it just means you ignore one of the laws of space or time. You still can’t create or destroy universes. The 4th dimension is space or time, neither of which metal cooler cracks. In the movie instant transmission is shown as going into a new dimension to move, that is not immeasurable speed. That dimension is not beyond time, it’s just a zone to use instant transmission. They’re just in another place
That isn't blood, just visual effect to show the punch's power. Like the dust they use on movies (as he is literally healead in the next panel with no stamina consumption everytime this type of scene is shown in the manga). Saitama there isn't saying 'oh my blood', he is remarking that his clothes have been dirtied when he had promised the ugly kid that he wouldn't even get scratched once on his clothes while kicking Garou's butt. There are multiple things you also didn't consider in this video: - we don't have nor know the scale of that graph, nor the timeline of it (given they are fighting at more than teleportation speed, the several power increase (of unknown quantity) is happening faster than the 0.1 sec that takes Goku to predict enemy's movements), as Garou has the power to COPY the POWER of the opponent by simply watching him perform his move, instantenously. And already with this technique Garou, not even Saitama, would beat 99% of DB universe as just a glance of any technique/power can make him reach that power level and further improve that technique. This can be seen in the graph as Garou, when copied in the dotted points in the graph, was stronger than Saitama. Also, as you know, Garou didn't have any gravity techniques, he copied and improved them from Blast, meaning he has no problem copying higher dimension techniques. Even with all this, Garou himselves could't understand (chapter 168 cubari opm) how he was getting left behind as he was copying Saitama's power as soon as Saitama was using it. What this means is that Saitama grows faster than 'INSTANT' time, and grows exponentially more powerful, as we can see from the graph of the power where the lenght of the power line gets longer and longer with each growth. Read carefully those pages, the full dialogue says His, as in Saitama's, rate of growth had gone unnoticed by everyone, as he was already so above everyone else, except to the character that could copy his power and technique but, at that moment, right then, even a character that could copy power, couldn't observe his growth anymore. - Same chapter it says Saitama can INSTANTLY copy any technique he sees as well, he is just too chill to do. The Time travel technique isn't Saitama's, he observed one time Garou perform it and did it perfectly. In between their fight in the previous chapter, Garou angrily asks Saitama 'are you mocking me' when Saitama was teasing him with Garou's own techniques. Meaning Saitama can learn Goku's Kaoioken or even his super sayan forms just watching him once, even the 'True Ultra Instinct', if he cared for it. - The point isn't that Saitama has 'immeasurable speed', the point is that Saitama can zero punch your a**. In technical terms, meaning the punch damages you before it gets thrown. I will explain it a bit in more depth, but what it means is that the punch is 'CANON' event. And it isn't creating any new multiverse as the text in the chapter says it is a 'reversal of causality' punch, meaning it alters the main timeline. To given an more accurate example, lets say the two stopped fighting for a brief moment and they decided to stand sill. Suddendly, the enemy gets 'zero punched' by Saitama. (Notice, they don't need to do this, it is just so what i will write ahead will be more clear to visualize). What happened, behind the scenes, is that in that same universe, the two characters actually continued to fight till future Saitama reached a point where his power growth was so big that his enemy, like Garou, couldn't catch up anymore. Then, that same Saitama got back into the past at the point where present Saitama and the opponent were standing still, and punched the opponent instantly defeating them. Present Saitama has not experienced all this and the future, where infinitely stronger Saitama than opponent exists, gets merged with the present Saitama as the punch is a canon event that reverses causality, but the punch exists, and so the opponent is defeated with present Saitama having thrown ZERO punches. This will be true for any opponent Saitama will face.
The Saitama growing in instant time is pure headcanon lmao and NOTHING in the manga suggests that. The Garou being able to copy and overpower abilities is a no limits fallacy. Garou initially in his cosmic form was as strong if not stronger than Saitama at that time until Saitama started outgrowing him.
Also Saitama can’t learn Kaioken or Super saiyan forms. Kaioken is a ki based technique and Saitama doesn’t have that energy system. Super saiyan is a BIOLOGICAL transformation that Goku has. Saitama NOR Garou can copy ki based attacks or biological transformations lol.
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I think that Janemba and Goku would be more likely Low Multiverse level. I think that 5D is a bit of rat wank for Janemba, and Outer is complete wank. Since Goku just powering up shook both Heaven and Hell I think infinite to inaccessible speed is reasonable for Goku and Janemba. Still does not change the fact that Janemba would slice Saitama in half and drink his Blood like Dracula did to Ganondorf.
Realistically he solos the verse. His power is literally to be stronger than any opponent. He was only matched by Garo who had the ability to literally copy his exact power
Yall in denial. The fact that he essentially got stronger than even himself at full power (Garo) shows that he will always be as powerful as he needs to be to dog walk his opponent
Like and subscribe if Raditz is a multiverse slaying God
That dont work cause dbz movies scale above the anime
Raditz in the manga can be like planer lv
And garlic jr can be star lv
To solar system lv depending on where you scale black holes
Yo, doesn't mecha cooler have immeasurable speed? Because he was fighting Goku in the instant transmission dimension or smth
He's Radiversal
@@Unremarkable6969 god killer raditz be like…💀💀💀💀
When’s GTku v Superku pal
Power scaling methods are weird... just because you can summon a portal to another dimension doesn't mean you can like... destroy multiple dimentions or whatever. Glad you didn't say that, but even the thought was weird.
He is creating those dimensions
@Light-qs1qk He's just summoning the portal to the Dead Zone, not creating it. It existed before Garlic Jr.
@enragedbard idk but is it stated
@@enragedbard In the original filler
They said he created it
But in later media they kinda change it to just garlic just open the portal ( maybe they relise how inconsistent it is so they decide to make a retcon)
@Light-qs1qk Koyama confirmed he didn't actually create the dead zone, so it doesn't scale to garlick junior at all lmao
Also janemba can clone himself, crate clone of the enemy and copy enemy attacks, i feel bad for saitama
It was NEVER close. Janemba is one of the few guys to make Goku run.
@@Unremarkable6969They fr needed Gogeta to defeat him
This guy is the only scaler I trust
When you use proof one punch man fans still say its false
Janemba was so powerful he saved Hirudegarn from getting annihilated
Hirudegarn is his own beast, but he ain't Janemba
He’s stopping at cooler cause he’s the strongest in the universe
Cooler is NOT the drink 😭
@@Unremarkable6969 obviously, he's just the "cooler" machine
@@Unremarkable6969At least he got the drink in him
But the Big Geti Star allowed him to cheat death! How can this be?!
Man I always laugh as hell when I see broly tanking that kamehameha "no reaction" but in all seriousness this video is awesome as always much love brother
Thanks ✌️😎
Saitama is atleast getting until the broly(from dbz) movie, since broly is an ABSOLUTE beast, since he powers up out of knowhere, +we know the fact that saitama unnitentionally mocks his enemies, making them angrier, which is something that broly uses to power up. His own anger.
Broly is implied to be the strongest movie character
Saitama VS Broly would go hard
There's a lot of conflicting information, regarding who is the strongest movie villain. I'm a Janemba guy, personally
@@Unremarkable6969 yea im also in between janemba and broly, which both are stated to violate the whole universe if they wanted to, so its kinda hard to choose in between whose stronger.
@@ro-player2.045 what i think is the differential is How Broly is portrayed in PRE DBS Media, especially in games and Guide Books, making me think TOEI implies that broly is that guy
Note: The South Galaxy isn't just "A Galaxy" it's a whole system of multiple Galaxies.
@NoIdeas529 Nebulas*
@SolarNovaBlast Nebula's are a collection of solar system's not galaxies
Saitama (most likely) clears until late namek era - Androids appear.
Saitama scaling:
High end (Highball/wank) - High Universal AP/dura infinite speed.
Mid end (consistent scale) - Galaxy - Multi Galaxy AP/dura Mftl+ speed.
Low end (low-ball/downplay) - Star level - Small Solar system AP/Dura w ftl speeds.
While Im a guy who does put feats + statements above "narrative", I'm going to wait for more proof that saitama can be scaled to universal+ consistently to have him breach that 1st movie Cooler point.
Saitama is a Cell saga tien victim btw.
@crashtime3429 Saitama is Outerversal and farts away the verse.
@sphera4147lol
@crashtime3429 He scales to low Multiversal, and he has the feats for it. You can’t say high universal is a wank when he literally has a low Multiversal feat
@SolarNovaBlast what feat is this?
@@thegodofnamekians2074 dimension slash, although it can't destroy the universe its literally cutting it, meaning uni+ AP, he caught 2 of the attacks from the blade making him low multiversal
Nah I'd win I'm Cellversal trust.
The scan where you say Saitama’s bleeding is very vague, I’m sure not everyone would agree with him bleeding.
Void escaping to the higher dimension is hax, it has nothing to do with his AP, Void has shown no feat that he can affect the higher dimension, he doesn’t scale to and certainly his blades don’t scale it, however, Saitama catching the dimension blades can be argued to be infinite attack speed since they say it ignores distance.
@@siphezulu5119 yea duh he doesn't scale to the hyperspace he's in which would be multiversal+ or low complex multi but he scales to the lower space since he's now able to affect it which is Uni+
@@siphezulu51191. of course it's hax he wasn't trying to argue it scales to AP
2.He goes there to make his slash stronger so the slash is 4D
3. It ignoring distance is a mistranslation
Nah bro broly’s growth isn't depicted as limitless in the same way as Saitama's. Broly's power increases through intense emotions and battles, but there are still constraints within the Dragon Ball universe. Saitama's nature as a parody character means he defies the logic and rules that apply to characters like Broly. His feats, such as shaking universes and transformations, are exaggerated to highlight the absurdity of typical superhero and shonen anime power-ups.
Also, regarding the nosebleed and injuries, do you count bruises or cuts on Goku when he is just in his base form? No, because minor injuries don’t define their power. The same applies to Saitama. He’s as strong as he needs to be in any given situation. Given that he's a gag/parody character, Saitama just beats everyone. His minor injuries are mere plot devices rather than true vulnerabilities
A couple things.
One, you might be thinking of DBS Broly. DBZ Broly is a completely different character, and his growth works differently.
Two, Saitama is a parody, and I have my own thoughts about this, but to make it brief I think people are oversimplifying it, by saying he's an unbeatable gag character.
Three, I included those two pages because people claim Saitama has NEVER been hurt before.
@@Unremarkable6969 Yes, I was talking about DBZ Broly. As I mentioned, he isn't considered truly limitless like Saitama. For those who simplify Saitama as a parody/gag character, they're correct. He is clearly depicted as such, defying conventional laws and norms. You can choose not to believe it, but that's how he's portrayed. And yes I know, you were just showing it for that, and I was simply explaining on why that is.
Kid Goku as better gag feats 💀💀
@@Xit_ff4xYeah probably in his own way. they serve a different purpose compared to Saitama's feats. Kid gokus accomplishments in the series highlight his strength, resilience, and innocence, often adding a sense of adventure and humor. However, Saitama is designed as a parody character with limitless power, intentionally defying conventional superhero tropes. They aren’t really comparable
Ive shared my points, if you dont agree thats fine, im not gonna reply, because i know how lengthy youtube anime arguments can get lol. And im too old for it nowadays
I want to point out for the garlic jr part, saitama has punched through phoenix space which is a spiritual/mental space outside of the physical realm where time flows differently. Saitama said he heard whispers from somewhere and just punched a space into the realm…he heard whispers in another realm.
Now idk what that does to his scaling but I don’t think the dead zone would stop saitama regardless
good point bro
Saitama would easily break out of the Dead Zone
Saitama reacting to and blocking attacks that came from outside of casuality proves he has immeasurable combat and reaction speed.
He didn't do that 🤨
@@Unremarkable6969 in the manga he did
@@Unremarkable6969yes, he did
If you're referring to Empty Void, it's not a 5D feat. The manga heavily implies it's 4D
@@Unremarkable6969 So we’re just lying now? Empty void is attacking outside of casuality lmaooo.
13:20 OBJECTION!
As a fellow OPM meat-rider, Saitama DID NOT BLEED, it was just the shards of Garou's fist.
Q. Why did Saitama got knocked back, if he wasnt hurt?
A. HE GETS KNOCKBACKED EVERYSINGLE TIME HE FACES A OPPONENT.
Its cleary mentioned even in the OPM manga that saitama admits in this fight that he wasn't affected at all.
no hate btw:3
nah u cant defend this one
That's how blood shows in manga
I wish more people used Ace Attorney as a template to debate
@Light-qs1qkread it again
@@gaudy1242for what you have nothing that say it's isn't blood it's how blood shows in manga
That isn't blood, Murata will show clear depiction if saitama was bleeding. It consistent with all it's art.
What is it then?
Then what is it
@@Unremarkable6969the same thing, shown when he fought boros
@@HaddingtonPaddingtonthe same thing shown when he fought boros 😂 dust.
I assure you after you get punched dust doesn't just appear @@gokusama4445
I'm still a bit iffy at the Uni+ scalling of Saitama as you need to affect or destroy a 4D space in order to be Uni+, we do know Void's slash is from a higher dimension but we don't know if it scales TO THAT higher dimension, it is stated capable of slicing space though so that could scale him up to 4D + if you use that transcending dimensions statements maybe that could work. Regardless yeah Janemba's bullying him 😂
@@wukongisas9564 the higher dimension powers up the Slash so 4D
I saw a theory that Saitama spitting "blood" was garous shell
You really cooked hard for this video🔥. I was eagerly waiting for you to upload 😁. This perfectly answers janemba vs empty void.
Empty Void bites the curb
I get so many excuses when I bring up garou hurting saitama ranging from “it’s spit”- to it’s fucking dirt
Someone said it was dust and a part of the authors art style??😂
@ yeah I had to take a minute Tom process that amount of cope
The "it's just dirt" excuse is hilarious, because it implies Saitama just had a mouthful of dirt for some reason
There's a few common mistakes that I've seen a lot of people repeat. First is attributing Namek's explosion directly to Frieza. He held back and only used enough power to destroy the core. That was it, that's all Frieza did to the planet. Then without its core it destabilized in about 5 minutes and basically self-destructed. Frieza didn't plant a bomb in it, he just destroyed the core and then it blew up on its own. Obviously Frieza could've destroyed Namek easily, that's not the issue. The issue is when people take the explosion and attribute it to Frieza. People even try to get it to galaxy level because there's some guidebook snippet that says light and debris from Namek was cast across the galaxy or something.
Second is that people keep saying Broly destroyed a galaxy by powering up. The Z Broly movie opening shows a galaxy fading away, while the subtitles say that the South Galaxy has come under attack by a Super Saiyan. The dub says that the South Galaxy has been shattered by a Super Saiyan, but considering that half the movie takes place in the South Galaxy with stars and planets all over, it's safe to say that the dub is a little misleading if taken to mean the galaxy was wiped out all at once. Also nothing anywhere ever even indicated that Broly powering up destroyed anything at all, so I don't know where people keep getting the idea that him powering up destroyed a galaxy. You didn't say that, but it is something I see all the time.
Another is taking an interpretation of an image caption in a guidebook over the primary source material of both the manga and anime. It is directly shown many times that Other World and the mortal realm work with the same time frame and are part of the same dimension. Beings in Other World directly observe events in the mortal realm as they happen in real time, with no idea of what will happen and no control over events. If Other World was a higher dimension completely transcending the mortal realm, this wouldn't be the case. While characters on Earth wait six months for Goku to complete his training with King Kai, Goku is training for six months. While Gotenks is training for a day on Earth, Gohan is training for a day with the Kaioshin. This point is even laid out explicitly in the Buu saga. When Gotenks and Piccolo take Buu into the time chamber, Goku is no longer able to sense their ki. Old Kai explains that it's because they're in the another dimension. The same thing happens with Cocette's bubble dimensions in the ToP. Characters can't detect each other from different dimensions, yet they routinely detect each other between Other World and the mortal realm. They are the same dimension.
And finally a minor point - Saitama's growth as shown on the graph was only over the span of trading a few punches, and it was something like a 55 times increase, not just a few. It then continued to an unknown degree until Garou could no longer even measure the gap. It's a very, very dramatic rate of growth which would make Saitama unimaginably stronger in even less than a second. True exponential growth is nutty. And that's not the limit of his growth rate, as having no limiter removes all growth restrictions. Not just overall potential, but rate of growth as well. The only thing Saitama really needs to increase his growth rate is motivation.
Man wrote a whole novel, respect
I don't even like scaling characters, but you're absolutely down playing half of the feat this characters have shown, and if anything, you're absolutely giving saitama some absurd ass feats. saying "it was something like a 55 times increase in a few punches" is fucking insane, when never in the manga it was stated that any of the things that you have said are TRUE.
anyways, janemba crippled, with no sight and hearing would ABSOLUTELY body slam saitama, and I think saitama is fucking strong and probably clears most of dbz/dbz movies.
@@Demon-mu1mt I didn't downplay any feats. I explained that Namek's explosion and the destruction in the South Galaxy are commonly misunderstood. Frieza didn't blow up Namek and Broly didn't wipe out the South Galaxy. I can't downplay these feats because these feats don't exist. And I wasn't downplaying the characters either, I even said that Frieza could easily destroy Namek. I was just clarifying what actually occurred.
There's nothing absurd about knowing how to read a graph. Though my memory was a bit off, it's more like 50 times. He started at about 0.3 units on the y axis and grew to about 16 units. That's a growth of 48 times. You can be more precise by pasting the image in a pixel counter. Then he grew to a level Garou could no longer measure. Keep in mind that previously Garou had instantly measured and copied Saitama's serious punch which accidentally wiped out countless stars, even though till that point the strongest punch he copied was Saitama's normal punches which didn't cause any collateral damage.
I disagree with your otherworld point. 1: the reason the beings in the afterlife cant interact with the living world is because the living world and the abstract are abstract from each other, they are only connected in the most metaphysical sense.
2: the reason why it seems like they run on the same time rate, it's because there's no time dilation between the two. Time dilation can only happen when both of the realms have time, the afterlife didn't have time. And before you come up with any argument saying that it does have time. Answer this analogy
The train is time
The place is present
The train never stops constantly changing places.
You are taken out of that train for an hour and then are put back into that train if that train gonna be in the same place or is it gonna be in a different place.
3: the reason why they probably couldn't sense their ki in the time chamber, it's because there's a time dilation There. And the top incident is probably because the wov is poverty even on a more abstract level then the afterlife. Since the wov is abstract from the entirety of the universes. As for the rest of the text i don't really disagree.
@@gamerforever300 I don't know, sounds too much like head canon. Beings from Other World and the Living World are perfectly capable of interacting with each other. Bulma could be brought to the Grand Kaioshin planet and kick Old Kai right in the nards, it's not like she needs to be given some special transcendental or metaphysical form, or like she has any trouble comprehending these divine beings. And there's nothing in the material somehow using time dilation as a reason for why both realms obviously share the same time frame. There's one or two references to time working differently in Other World, which refers to Goku expending energy. It could easily be interpreted to mean that Goku had more time to train during the time that he was in Other World, or that time works differently in that a spiritual body doesn't have to worry about energy or running out of stamina. Interpreting it to mean that time literally doesn't exist there would contradict basically every arc. If time didn't exist, then characters would be able to train there as much as they want with no time passing on Earth.
If time is a train and the present is a place, then when you get off the train you will be frozen in the present moment. You can do whatever you like for as long as you like, and time (the train) will have no effect on your place (the present). Then when you get back onto the train, you will continue on from that present moment to the next present moments at the rate that time passes.
What I meant by having no control over events was that if Other World was a higher dimension that exists outside and above the spacetime of the Living World, then that would mean that these "higher dimensional beings" wouldn't be stuck biting their nails worried about what will happen next. They should already know what happens, they should completely transcend the entire situation.
There is time dilation between the time chamber and Universe 7, but there was no time dilation between the ToP arena (which did have normal passing time) and Cocette's dimensions. Everything happened at the same time inside and outside them. Just the fact that it was a different dimension made Goku unable to detect them. If Other World was a different dimension from the Living World, Goku would not be able to detect others on Earth from there. If Other World was in a higher dimension literally transcending the time and space of the Living World, there should be dramatic time dilation and again, Goku would not be able to detect people on Earth.
I'm not sure of when or how I found out about you but you're one of my favorite Power scaling channels alongside Lonk's Takes and Goji Chronic. Love your stuff, keep pumping peak 💪🏻
Thanks dude ✌️😎
Cooler is simply....COOLER
Ah, I see what you did there
About Cooler : he has Immesurable - irrelevant speed via Instant Transmission dimension.
Remember the devil guy? His beam could even one shot frieza if it hit him
But his power level are still super low just because his pure stat are weak
So I dont really see any problem with garlic Jr since his pure stat are kinda weak.
I think that power level in Dragon ball only count your stat and not your abilities/hax
Second I also dont think Garlic Jr immortal are as strong as Zamasu one. I think it more like buu one,which could instant heal him unless you can vaporize him in to nothing(i think saitama with current feats could do that,since garlic durability is really weak)
And you forget to mention about metal cooler speed:}}}
Anyway,the video is pretty good
W and it's stated in super exciting guide books that it's don't have the concept of time and space and in the daizenshuu 4 it's stated that it's Transcend dimensionality and in the rpg guide books it's stated that after life is connected to microcosm in the most highest possible level of metaphysical
I brought up two of those things later in the video, but I don't generally like the info in the RPG guidebook. It's fine, just not usually needed for my points.
@Unremarkable6969 it's Valid tho . 👍
Saitama is getting the Pikkon special at best 😭
Not bad though considering I think he is built to power creep faster and he has had a shorter manga run (200+ chapters compared to the 1000 chapters in db-dbs).
I think the real question is would Saitama be motivated to stop the main villain? Think of all the monsters and disasters he doesn’t fight simply because he can’t be bothered
If he got off his ass for Vaccine Man than he will do so for these immensely stronger villains.
Garou has the literal power of God and Anime on his side...
I'm surprised no one has made this joke
@@Unremarkable6969 Same here.
Same.
Kinda weird with how massive the meme still is to this very day.
Well done this was a lot of fun thank you for sharing this!
Yee ✌️😎
Poor Mf ain't beating Immeasurable speed Metal Cooler 😂
I left speed out of the video because otherwise, Saitama would get dogwalked by every character after Meta-Cooler.
“Please Unremarkable6969, us saitama stans NEED THIS!!!”
Great vide bro. Hope it does even better then the other saitama one
That would be amazing
Great video as always, despite u accurately scaling Saitama I’m sure u will still get comments from Saitama glazers saying he’s infinitely strong when he’s so obviously not 💀
Lots of Saitama glaze already, wish me luck 🫡
He is infinity strong, it says it, and he is 5d
@@gokusama4445crazy part is goku is also 😂
Saitama IS infinitely strong
Honestly can’t wait for super vs gt goku! Keep up the great work man your videos are honestly more entertaining than most of the people on the platform. You’re the goat! Keep it up!
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Super Goku stomps. It’s not even remotely close.
@@nocturne311 against 100 year time skip gt goku?
Bro got opm fans happy for a second before crushing it by mentioning fusion reborn and the 4d to outer scaling of afterlife. Ngl that was funny to watch, i had to rewatch that
OPM fans when Janemba absolutely curb stomps their goat
The new feat scales Saitama to 5D low complex because its beyond time distance and space
@@thegoldenknight577 Currently only 4D, God would be complex multiversal. Saitama and Empty Void have yet to scale to God
@@Unremarkable6969 saitama has done 5d
Could you highlight those feats
@@Unremarkable6969dude hes probably gonna use that Fan Manga
@@thegoldenknight577 when was it stated it's beyond time and space?
Sorry if I’ll be a nerd, but saitama did not bleed during the battle with cosmic garou, it would make no sense for the purposes of the story since it is almost assumed that there will be a fight towards the end of the series between Saitama and God (that having given a small part of its power to cosmic garou is obviously infinitely stronger than the latter) and for the purposes of logic that was not blood but debris (probably derived from the same arm of cosmic garou that began to shatter in contact with saitama’s face)
While for noisebleed, that was not a noisebleed but simply called them (dirt caused by the fight) I do not know how to call them (I am not native English) and finally if really saitama had bled, the author would have done everything to highlight it since it would be a historical event for the serie
It does make sense? Just because yakl think he's gonna fight someone stronger doesn't mean he can't be hurt, He's literally bleed from a cat scratch
@@Bardocks_Fig_Collection dont put...jokes scene...i can say things when goku show ant durability only...
@HORROR-vt1gm And YOU have no idea how ki works lmao Ki=life force. Simple his ki is lowered he takes more damage if he's sleeping again lowered takes damage
@@Bardocks_Fig_Collection mmm,so you wanna say saitama can one shot any goku if he relax? because by your word,if goku relax than his durability low to street lvl,because he was hurt by pebble and was killed by some laser beam that gonna reflect from saitama bald head
damn you really underrated him by that way
saitama get hurt by cat,than goku from that cat gonna be dead by your word
again..dont put jokes scenes+saitama was already being slashed by monster cat and he was not care about that
@@Bardocks_Fig_Collection I mean the cat thing Is probably just a gag, but i saw a theory very very plausibile, saitama's power have a limite, it's imagination, he thinks cat scratches hurts so it hurts, he thinks flys are uncatchable so he can't catch a fly and he thinks he is too strong for everyone so he doesn't get hit, but just a theory
About Hakai : Beerus's statement was probably a bluff as mortals were relying too much on god's so he wanted mortals to deal with their problems on their own. We can literally see Goku erasing Merged Zamasu using an imperfected Hakai.
because it was goku black with him.
@frieza1143 that concept was anime only and he was truly immortal in manga.
@@popl-chan anime or manga i mean you should have said because Toriyama said the anime is separated canon.
@@frieza1143 when I said "Goku erasing Merged Zamasu using an imperfected Hakai" it means I am talking about Manga since Goku doesn't use Hakai in anime.
@@popl-chan my bad
WE SAIYANS HAVE NO LIMITS🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
*Epic guitar riff
It’s futile 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🔥🔥
LET’S CHARGE TOGETHER AT FULL POWER🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
NAME FALLACY 😂
Saitama grows EXPONENTIALLY. VSBW calcs that it's FIFTY-FIVE TIMES. And the only person who knew how powerful he was had become so left in the dust that YET AGAIN, HIS POWER SEEMED INFINITE.
Exponential power increases are standard in dragon ball right?
That's a Super Saiyan increase, Goku just has to go God
@@Unremarkable6969 give sait one month prep he'll beat black frieza
Freeza trained for TEN YEARS
In four months, Freeza went from weaker than SSJ Goku on Namek to stronger than SSJ Blue Goku in RoF
Saitama is not touching Black Freeza
@@Unremarkable6969 HOW LONG?! Ok nvm 3 years prep
Thats not blood thats just effects like dirt and whatnot. Literally every single fight has this stuff, including past fights with Saitama. If Saitama was actually injured for the first time in the series it would've been a big deal and explicitly stated.
In that time he only wants to kill garou and have no care for any thing so it obvious that he doesn't show any thing to when he spit blood
That's how blood looks in the manga
Cap
Why does Saitama have dirt in his mouth?
@Light-qs1qk He explicitly doesn't want to kill Garou, did you even read the manga?
@@Unremarkable6969 Garou has crumbly crackling skin which broke several times throughout the fight. It's probably some of his flaky ass skin. Imagine you throw a piece of charcoal at a stone wall. The charcoals going to shatter and the wall will be completely intact but have charcoal residue stuck on it from the impact. That's what I believe, either that or various dusts / debris. Like I said, if Saitama ever takes damage, you'll know.
And some ppl said kid buu beats janemba
Janemba slaps
they cannot think and can't use logic
Kid Buu barely beats fat Buu and can’t get past Super Buu
Daaamn that´s far didn´t really think he would get that far, but I see your points.
I can’t believe immediately after I asked Unremarkable about Goku vs Saitama HE MADE THIS VIDEO. Funny thing is that the fucking comment I replied to was from a “how far would Saitama go in this dragon ball z movie bracket” or some goofy shit. W video man
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Realistically... these have been great. It's been a LONG time since we've seen accurate Saitama scaling. Keep it up. 👍
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This'll probably be my last fair with him for a while, unless the manga drops another crazy feat.
Dragon ball
Solar system is size of a galaxy the glaxy is the size of a universe, and universe is size of a multiverse and there's infinite more those in the db universe
Thing is, considering that the supposed "last boss" of OPM, is someone reffered as "GOD", it can be said that Saitama will show either something close to his actual power ceiling, or his actual power ceiling, and whatever that is, might make him on par with Janemba.
Deadzone works because its magic. Something powerscalers love to do is to take magic shit way to seriously and you get univetrsal garlic jr
Metal cooler appears in a power scaling video: and let the glazing begin!
Not even glazing
Ye I know you didn't but most do. They bring this man up for the instant transmission feat just to say bro has irrelevant speed
Ah, gotcha
So you decided to down play saitama in the end
Says the Saitama pfp
A Goku vs Saitama would be an unending battle, they would always grow
Saitama is a gag character whose gag is to be able to one punch anyone...
I would argue that his gag is a little more complex than that.
@Unremarkable6969 what do you think?
@@jayblueguy9932 Saitama is a lot more complex than "funny strong guy", and I honestly think people who boil him down to an unbeatable gag character are missing the point.
We have multiple examples of Saitama punching someone, and not killing them instantly. Mostly comedic moments, but also serious ones like Saitama VS Boros.
Saitama is an endgame protagonist who's too strong for the story he's in. Everyone else in his verse is drastically underpowered compared to him.
@@Unremarkable6969 Wouldn’t that be a parody character instead of a gag character?
Well you could argue that they're similar, for example, in OG Dragon Ball Goku was a gag character. His "gag" was that he was incredibly strong, despite being so small and innocent. Which was in stark contrast to the VERY popular Fist of the North Star, which inspired a lot of Dragon Ball's later elements like the tournaments.
If we’re high balling the dbz movies to outer, then why didn’t you highball saitama to outer? He definitely showed some outerversal feats that not too many people know about
name one outversal feat
💔 Saitama and outer in the same sentence
Phoniex mans space is a spiritual realm. The spirit realm isn’t bound by dimensionality or time. There’s also a few other stuff I can tell you about if you want.
@@BrandonLeonard-v6f how is not bound by dimensionality.. are u using manga for this feat?
@@shubhamsonsurkar3782 yes, it’s from the manga. I believe it would be in OPM season 3 since this happened during the early days of the monster association arc. If you research the spiritual dimension, you would know it is a non-physical space where it isn’t bound by dimensionality or time/space. It’s not a complicated topic like the MWI in OPM. I suggest you take a look at it and then tell me what you think.
I don't think his growth was an emotional reaction. I think it's part of his gimmick: Saitama will grow to outmatch whoever he is facing because he's a parody of power scaling. Garou is the cliche anime character that gets stronger due to his drive and emotions, and Saitama dunks on that by getting stronger just because.
the panel literally says he grew due to extreme emotions and you're saying otherwise lol
@@ucheshi2619The show is called One punch man😂. Of course he'll get stronger and one punch his opponent. How he gets there doesn't matter.
@@ucheshi2619they always do that.
Your videos are really good man
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@Unremarkable6969 Saitama's pants were ripped when he merged with his past self, so he had some power transfer from the fight with Garou, so I think that's why he could catch the swords from empty void.
SpongeBob ahh moment
Good thing you pointed out how bs that statement about the Death Zone is. I’m kinda tired of seen people just accepting that without considering the narrative of the series
There's no way a Saitama is surviving against z broly
Also you didn't mention the metal cooler speed feat
I hate to kick a fan base while they're down
@Unremarkable6969 you didn't have to 😭
That insta transmission thing is hax not a speed feat.
And Z Broly is high Uni saitama is Uni +.
And now that feat saitama did against Empty Void doesn't matter anymore cause the arc is getting redrawn again.
Empty void is 5D, we have already seen the 4th dimension before in MA arc when saitama uses zero punch. Void is not only outside of the universe he’s outside the causality of the universe *which is basically a timeline* and outside of the timeline we would see a higher dimensional space that holds other timelines, this is where 5D and MWI comes in. 5D is usually Multiversal+ but in voids case it’s only low Multiversal bcuz he can only slash through 2 universes at a time (2 blades). A 5D being is only Multiversal+ when they can slice through every universe at once
Therefore empty void is *Low Multiversal 5D*
@SolarNovaBlast just say hyperspaces are 4D spatial. But theres the addition of a temporal dimension. Making them 5D. Hyperspaces contain something known as the W axis. Which is the special additional dimension making the dimension slash 5D and by proxy Saitama
bro is again cooking W video
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@@Unremarkable6969 keep it up loved the video can you make video on gogeta and vegeto cuz i think people dont talk that much about them
Your taste in avatars is immaculate
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@@Unremarkable6969 You're anything but unremarkable bro 🙏 W vid
Thank you for addressing he actually can be hurt some idiot i was arguing with said he couldn't
That's one of the worst arguments I've ever heard anyone petal.
@Unremarkable6969 Exactly than when you provide evidence he can be damaged they say "Oh it was just dust" or "It's for a gag".
The "It was just dirt/dust" argument is hilarious, because it implies Saitama had dirt in his mouth, for some reason
@@Unremarkable6969Yeah it's honestly hella annoying
@@Unremarkable6969in his mouth? His mouth was closed the whole time lmao you blind? Tht was dirt on his face like a real person would have during a fight. 😂Saitama never take damage so far. You mad that goku ss3 got hurt and bleed by janemba weak azz slash sword and you goku ss3 can beat Saitama? You really are a db fan. I don't even like Superman and I know that Superman beats Saitama and goku.
I wanna see saitama after the anime is finished cuz his power lvl will be godly
Once the manga wraps up, I'll give Saitama his fair shake
You keep getting better with every video lil bro 🙏 btw make a video discussing whether Saitama could surpass Gojo's Infinity (no I don't have money it's just a suggestion 😭)
Nah, you're chill. I might do Saitama VS Gojo, but after this upcoming video I'm gonna be taking a break from the caped baldey for a bit
punching gojos infinity is comparable to punching the moon from earth. saitama easily jumped to earth in a couple seconds…
On the topic of Fusion Reborn, remember that iconic scene where Goku going Super Saiyan 3 is felt throughout the entire afterlife?
In the latter part of the Buu saga, Goku and Vegeta on Sacred World of the Kai’s (supposedly in their Ssj2 forms) power up, and Kid Buu, who is in the otherworld, feels their energy, and teleports there to fight them.
At this point, Goku and Vegeta must be stronger than they were when they fought earlier in the saga, with Vegeta likely being stronger than when he was Majin Vegeta. Goku meanwhile, according to someone I heard somewhere I’m not sure where, is around Ultimate Gohan because of his revival at Old Kai’s hands.
Maybe this isn’t as impressive as Gogeta being sensed on Earth from Hell, but maybe it is. Another Kai was seen with King Kai when Buu attacked the afterlife, so maybe it isn’t heaven , I don’t remember. Also, Kid Buu going to the afterlife was something I’ve only heard of from the anime, so I’m not sure if the manga did something similar.
With the movies’ Wack scaling, I don’t know if these two feats are comparable, but I just wanted to point this out somewhere.
The Zammasu immortality is not the same immortality that the og dragon balls grant since the immortality of Zammasu was granted by Super Shenlong (so its the strongest possible version of immortality available in verse) Judge by statement from og Shenlong he cannot do or grant whats not in the power of his maker so at best the granted immortality from him would allow you to survive a lot of punishment but the Berrus stament isnt applicable. Cool vid btw man
I would argue that the wishing for Immortality would produce the same result, no matter which Dragon you wish upon. But I did consider that as a possibility while making the video.
@@Unremarkable6969Fair.
I think the realistically Saitama would get about as far as Battle of Gods before he loses. Up until then, it could be argued that every character during the time frame of Z doesn't even break Universal due to translations, filler and other non canon stuff that a good portion of people in the fandom don't consider canon even by movie standards. It's only when you get to Beerus that Saitama folds because he's stated to be far above universal in BOG alone due to him and Goku nearly destroying the universe on accident with a single punch.
That feat actually wasn't in the original movie, Beerus is just stronger than everyone else to an unquantifiable degree.
W scaling but i think he would stop at bog movie bcz i think goku shaking the other world would be universal since the statements of other world trascending the living world and the living world being infinite aren't backed up by feats and i don't think it being backed up by takoyama doesn't help either since it's will be considered an author fallacy so it's would be universal only
But your scaling is valid unlike some people who try to say that kid goku from the original db is 4D don't ask me how bcz i don't understand how they managed to get him there in the first place
I've seen Outer Bulma arguments 💀
@Unremarkable6969 yeah I already saw someone saying that any character in dragon even the weakest one is high outer (i'm not joking)
I can't wait for the next update where db fans try to say a random newborn baby 0.000001% power is inaccessible layers into boundless
My theory is that a character needs a certain amount of power in their universe to broke that universe and basically be infinite in that infinite space (a 3D infinite space), doesn't matter if it has more or less power after that amount, so basically a star level character can be 3D infinite because it surpass the power their universe can handle, this also highly depends on the story writer
Here is my thing, first off, ironically regardless of how we scale Saitama; he ends around buu saga and janemba in terms of how far he goes. We actually agree on that.
But when it comes to scaling you must be able to destroy, create, or significantly affect an object in order to scale to it.
Creating hyperspaces and going to higher dimensions doesnt scale you anywhere. Just because i can create a door or destroy a door, doesnt mean i can make or destroy a house. Just because i walk into a house doesnt mean im as strong as one. Thats simply not how scaling works.
But if you believe it does work like that, then yes saitama would be 4D. Scaling to empty void. And guess who would also fit that description? Garlic jr for creating hyperspaces. And it doesn't have to make sense to the anime since it doesnt scale to the anime. Anime garlic jr is not the same as the movie version. Same as goku in the movies isnt the same as anime goku. And honestly people have wanked frieza to universal based on statements alone, so garlic jr being universal + isnt that far off. 😂
Also planet earth in dragonball contains the time room, a room where all timelines exist and converge. In the og dragonball kid goku uses this place to go back into time. Meaning it contains at least one timeline. Meaning by the time you are planet level, you actually can scale to at least 1 timeline, which is universal +. So unironically garlic jr can scale to universal + anyway. 🤷♂️
And guess who would also scale to universal +? Gotenks and super buu for breaking a hole in reality. Which is 4D since they broke a portion of a universe.
And this is to say nothing of heaven and otherworld, which you agree is a higher dimension. Goku goes there all the time. 😂 and he attacked from this dimension during the bojack movie and in canon with the father son kamehameha. Is this not what empty void did? Would this upscale cell and bojack to 5D or higher? Probably.😂 but its the same as what empty void did.
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So scale however you want, but be consistent. You cant have one anime scaling off of a different definition of scaling. Bare minimum the definitions must be applied equally.
Goku has to literally nearly destroy multiple 4D spaces or shake them in order to qualify to 4D. But all saitama has to do is touch some portals or catch some swords? 😂
And this is considered fair?😂
And im not just picking on saitama, bleach and naruto fans do the exact same thing. Weve got 4D naruto's and ichigos running around based on the exact same logic. 😂
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Now remember i reject all of this scaling. Goku doesnt get solid 4D scaling until DBS. And in the movies he doesnt reach it at all. Saitama doesnt either.
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So ironically saitama makes it to janemba anyway, with broly being a really close fight which could go either way. 🤔
Come to think of it, how is saitama getting past metal coolers immeasurable speed? And metal cooler can just destroy the planet and leave saitama floating in space. 😂 thats bfr. 😂
Wow
You saved me from making a similar reply 😂
For the last part Saitama is more than durable enough to survive a planet exploding, also if Meta-Cooler did blow up the planet it would also destroy the Big Gete Star. (Which would destroy Meta-Cooler in the process)
@@thej5448 cooler could also just IT to an empty void in space. Saitama can hold his breath for a long time, but he can’t do it infinitely.
This.
Pretty much being saying this. Void ninja out here literally just travels around the multiverse like miguel O'Hara with a technique rather than technology and I Don't see no one say that he's 4d.
All Empty Void is doing is travel to other worlds and teleporting attacks onto people from outside them.
Like if I walked outside a house and Was able to shoot someone from outside it while they're locked in there. That doesn't scale me to destroying the house. I'm just shooting them through an open window or the wall. Without damaging the house.
Same ways goes for him. He hops into the little multiverse hub. Looks at what universe he's interest in and he can either travel to it or send an attack into it from the outside.
If it was 4d immeasurable speed bs then flashy flash should scale to it since he dodged it ☠️
Fodder flash out here outscaling saitama and Cosmic Garou. Is that what OPM fans want?
Anyone who knows of for example Error sans. From the undertale fandom. The guy literally does the same shit as void ninja. He lives in a higher dimensional space and can travel to alternative universes. And even attack them. But unlike void ninja he can actually destroy them but he usually requires going inside the universe and killing characters to then begin tearin the world appart slowly. He's actually capable of destroying universes. And yet he's doubted any 4d scaling. Originally that's what everyone agreed on but they realized that unless he was tearing multiple universes with ease he wouldn't scale to that 4d space he's in. So ultimately he was left at Universal+ and that's for a character who has way more feats than void.
And is actually shown destroying timelines and universes.
So where does that put empty fraud?
Interacting wit a 4d object does not give you 4d ap tho????
No It doesn't.
Giving Saitama Universal+ levels of ap just because he can interact with 4D objects or stop 4D attacks is a ridiculous wank imo. Until Saitama is stated to or is shown destroying an entire universe he's staying at multi solar system to multi galaxy level max.
@@OmniDan26 he wasn't just interacting with it he tanked it it had killing intent
@@theangrynerd101 disingenuous because he didn't just interact with it and who says he has to destroy universes he can tank a 4D attack
Welcome back SethTheProgrammer
Mm, SeththeProgrammer has been making good videos recently, so that's a compliment? I think. I really liked his recent discussion video on Death Note's ending.
@@Unremarkable6969 Unremarkable did you allow AI comments or is that actually you😭
One of the matches you should do is Arale vs Saitama
Arale neg diffs
@thej5448 while i agree it's a match that is ignored while opm fans compare Saitama to Arale as to why he beats goki
Arale has better feats, even assuming Saitama is a gag character.
But that would actually probably make bank...
@@Unremarkable6969 yeah it's a match no one pays attention to and on here it be a first one for a longer format video since all it had is basically shorts.
Hell you can give saitama everything he has shown even the time travel for it to be somewhat fair
@@Mexican1632and goku neg diff arale via erasing arale from existence ALSO yes arale would get erase also goku can erase her so its very bad using that argument. 😂😂
Pfft, you posted this right after I found your channel.
I be like that
2:28 he literally pulled empty void through the 4th demension right down to the third
Edit: what kind of twisted warfare did I wake up to in the replies?💀
4th dimensional
@@Unremarkable6969 oh, I thought it was 5th🫤
@@Unremarkable6969 it's the 5th dimension.
Saitama has actually gone to the 4th dimension once already in MA arc when he uses zero punch. What he traveled through was the 4th dimension allowing him access to another coordinate which is time. If u play minecraft u will understand easier.
Also
Mwi Multiverse = 5D
Outside of Causality = 5D
Remember 4D is still bound by physical laws aswell since it's still within the space-time
@SolarNovaBlastone punch man does not follow many words interpretation 💔
@SolarNovaBlastbeing outside of causality DOES NOT mean 5th dimensional
I think there's a few points you didn't really mention and one of these is the immeasurable speed that Meta Cooler would scale to. Meta Cooler and Goku fight each other inside instant transmission a space stated to not have time or space in it which would give him immeasurable speed due to fighting Goku for a prolonged period of time. You could argue that Saitama would never be able to hit Meta Cooler it might end in a stalemate unless Saitama grows to Meta Cooler's speed.
The second point is that Takao Koyama calls Broly to be the strongest movie villain and he couldn't make anyone stronger. Now I'm not saying this is necessarily correct or anything. But if you take this statement literally Broly would scale above Super Saiyan Gogeta who demolished Super Janemba. I don't personally scale Broly to that level but I think for the sake of the video you could mention that as a stopping point.
The last point is that I wouldn't necessarily take Goku shaking the afterlife as the feat of choice because I remember SethTheProgrammer making a video on the movie villains and he said that shaking the universe wouldn't scale you to the universe it would only scale you to the shaking. So it would be like a Multi-Galaxy feat. The comparison was if a person shakes a car by pushing the top that your not car level your just shaking a part of the car. The feat I would compare Goku to is the fact that Fat Janemba was able to warp more than 1 world using his reality warping by simply existing and Goku was able to fight this Janemba to the point where Fat Janemba had to transform to beat Super Saiyan 3 Goku which would make Goku and Janemba Low-Multiversal in my opinion massively scaling above Saitama and having immeasurable speed.
I just don't see Saitama getting past Cooler who can fight within the instant transmission dimensions, constantly adapts, and has near limitless recovery. Saitama would need to oneshot the entire Cooler army and the Big Gete star in a single punch to prevent Cooler from just adapting again and again to his attacks.
Tho can he beat Normal cooler then?
This would just be a garou scenario again where saitama breaks metal cooler and he adapts but saitama within that instance would just throw a punch even greater
The officialdivine shade is crazy
I'll do it again
Yo his edits are fire asf 🔥
His editing hurts my head
@@Unremarkable6969 Epilepsy Warning on his videos😭
Dude just realizes he doesn’t have a video when the dead zone beats Saitama
Dead Zone can't pull Saitama in, even Kid Gohan was able to resist its pull. And Garlic Junior is actually negative IQ
4 year old gohan survived just fine i think saitama will be fine
@@Unremarkable6969 you're not so smart as garlic Jr. IF garlic jr cant defeat Saitama then don't you think garlic jr would try to open up that dumb weak portal to try to kill Saitama? But cant since Saitama too strong and ending up punching garlic Jr inside?. Same way you're coming up with dumb azz what if scenario, then so can I. 😂. This guy.
You are actually obsessed with me, stop it
@@Unremarkable6969 because you make no sense. At least danco shows power attack and durability. Not u tho because you know dbs fighters as the durability of a mountain level
We villains have no limits🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
*Epic Three Days Grace edit
I think raditz is raditz level
Maybe
I mean even Garlic Junior was out here opening hyperspace’s with a power level of like 400 lol
Movie guides state his PL is 1,450
Wasn't satima hurt by a cat
Then someone say "It's just comedy"
1:10 you forget he uses one hand the whole time and still clean his core and gloves😂
I'd argue that's more of a skill feat
Fun fact: a smart person only needs 1 fist to punch someone
I mean, I imagine most people only need one fist to punch someone
@@BappO-is-me not punch, fight. while also trying not to kill them, and his opponent was basically himself with more techniques at hand.
@gaudy1242 Saitama doesn't fight, he just punches. He has no style, he has no technique, he has no special moves; he just fucking punches.
How tf is satima universal+ for catching a sword that travels genuinely confused
Because it was a 4D sword
The maker of the video said that was a highball. But in my oppinion,it is a good highball considering the fact that Saitama has a loth of statement suggesting that hes strength is limitless/bottomless,plus catching that sword which is a higher dimensional attack
Yea didn't speed and sonic saw it before getting telepleded. That like me saying goodbye to my lived one's before getting hit by the omega beams same attack that made flash run his fastest.
Because of its very clear higher dimensional origins and the spatial features it outright ignores (stated by Blast)
@@samuraiblack8840 ff and sonic seeing the attack doesn't change the fact that the attack is a smurf attack and has a loth of other higher dimensional properties
isn't it crazy how bro was able to point out only 2 parts of the manga where saitama was hurt. all they were was him spitting a lil blood and him with a lil nose blead.
Garou is weak
Weak verse, relatively.
It's more than zero
He copied Saitama's strength
@@Ragebaiter368 rock is also week but it hurt goku 😂
Garlic Jr's dead zone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything Saitama has shown
L bait
@@AlmightyDivine2925i mean if you take both to their uptmost then hes not lying most dont thinks its that strong
@@I-WILL-o2z But the dead zone scaling is inconsistent with how it is shown in the actual movie 💀 And Saitama has greater strength and speed feats than radits lvl fodder like garlic jr
Bro ur apsolutly cooking with power scaling,keep it up💯💯🔥🔥
Got it ✌️😎
Stops at garlic or metal cooler, you do realize that metal cooler has immeasurable speed, and garlic junior is uni+ due to the movies being another dimension in the series so they aren’t in the same universe so that means they aren’t the same as in the regular z series also Broly destroys a cluster of galaxies which are Inf so yea he stops at garlic
Metal cooler is not immeasurable as he just went into a different dimension and garlic is absolutely not uni+ as that’s also just a dimension
@@orion_paxxIt says he created a hyperspace with his ki
@@yodogarou36 creating hyperspaces is not universal
@orion_paxx a hyperspace is a space with more than 3 dimensions meaning 4 or more which is universal metal cooler is the same person who caught goku in instant transmission like in the midst of teleporting and they were in a place where they moved beyond linear time
The hyperspace is a place that 3d construct connecting two 3d areas. It is not a 4d area. And being above 3d is not equal to being universal, or anything, it just means you ignore one of the laws of space or time. You still can’t create or destroy universes. The 4th dimension is space or time, neither of which metal cooler cracks. In the movie instant transmission is shown as going into a new dimension to move, that is not immeasurable speed. That dimension is not beyond time, it’s just a zone to use instant transmission. They’re just in another place
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That isn't blood, just visual effect to show the punch's power. Like the dust they use on movies (as he is literally healead in the next panel with no stamina consumption everytime this type of scene is shown in the manga). Saitama there isn't saying 'oh my blood', he is remarking that his clothes have been dirtied when he had promised the ugly kid that he wouldn't even get scratched once on his clothes while kicking Garou's butt. There are multiple things you also didn't consider in this video:
- we don't have nor know the scale of that graph, nor the timeline of it (given they are fighting at more than teleportation speed, the several power increase (of unknown quantity) is happening faster than the 0.1 sec that takes Goku to predict enemy's movements), as Garou has the power to COPY the POWER of the opponent by simply watching him perform his move, instantenously. And already with this technique Garou, not even Saitama, would beat 99% of DB universe as just a glance of any technique/power can make him reach that power level and further improve that technique. This can be seen in the graph as Garou, when copied in the dotted points in the graph, was stronger than Saitama. Also, as you know, Garou didn't have any gravity techniques, he copied and improved them from Blast, meaning he has no problem copying higher dimension techniques. Even with all this, Garou himselves could't understand (chapter 168 cubari opm) how he was getting left behind as he was copying Saitama's power as soon as Saitama was using it. What this means is that Saitama grows faster than 'INSTANT' time, and grows exponentially more powerful, as we can see from the graph of the power where the lenght of the power line gets longer and longer with each growth. Read carefully those pages, the full dialogue says His, as in Saitama's, rate of growth had gone unnoticed by everyone, as he was already so above everyone else, except to the character that could copy his power and technique but, at that moment, right then, even a character that could copy power, couldn't observe his growth anymore.
- Same chapter it says Saitama can INSTANTLY copy any technique he sees as well, he is just too chill to do. The Time travel technique isn't Saitama's, he observed one time Garou perform it and did it perfectly. In between their fight in the previous chapter, Garou angrily asks Saitama 'are you mocking me' when Saitama was teasing him with Garou's own techniques. Meaning Saitama can learn Goku's Kaoioken or even his super sayan forms just watching him once, even the 'True Ultra Instinct', if he cared for it.
- The point isn't that Saitama has 'immeasurable speed', the point is that Saitama can zero punch your a**. In technical terms, meaning the punch damages you before it gets thrown. I will explain it a bit in more depth, but what it means is that the punch is 'CANON' event. And it isn't creating any new multiverse as the text in the chapter says it is a 'reversal of causality' punch, meaning it alters the main timeline. To given an more accurate example, lets say the two stopped fighting for a brief moment and they decided to stand sill. Suddendly, the enemy gets 'zero punched' by Saitama. (Notice, they don't need to do this, it is just so what i will write ahead will be more clear to visualize). What happened, behind the scenes, is that in that same universe, the two characters actually continued to fight till future Saitama reached a point where his power growth was so big that his enemy, like Garou, couldn't catch up anymore. Then, that same Saitama got back into the past at the point where present Saitama and the opponent were standing still, and punched the opponent instantly defeating them. Present Saitama has not experienced all this and the future, where infinitely stronger Saitama than opponent exists, gets merged with the present Saitama as the punch is a canon event that reverses causality, but the punch exists, and so the opponent is defeated with present Saitama having thrown ZERO punches. This will be true for any opponent Saitama will face.
Not reading allat but very cool
The Saitama growing in instant time is pure headcanon lmao and NOTHING in the manga suggests that. The Garou being able to copy and overpower abilities is a no limits fallacy. Garou initially in his cosmic form was as strong if not stronger than Saitama at that time until Saitama started outgrowing him.
Also Saitama can’t learn Kaioken or Super saiyan forms. Kaioken is a ki based technique and Saitama doesn’t have that energy system. Super saiyan is a BIOLOGICAL transformation that Goku has. Saitama NOR Garou can copy ki based attacks or biological transformations lol.
Also Saitama can’t just fucking copy true ultra instinct lmao. It’s Goku’s own variation of ultra instinct.
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@@Unremarkable6969 I'm perfectversal because I'm super perfect cell :)
@@Sauce0119 agreed
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Deservded tho the content is great keep it up
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Would be nice if you cover Saitama terra 2
Because the author said the actual Saitama is gonna surpass that
When it happens, I'll update these
I think that Janemba and Goku would be more likely Low Multiverse level. I think that 5D is a bit of rat wank for Janemba, and Outer is complete wank. Since Goku just powering up shook both Heaven and Hell I think infinite to inaccessible speed is reasonable for Goku and Janemba. Still does not change the fact that Janemba would slice Saitama in half and drink his Blood like Dracula did to Ganondorf.
Realistically he solos the verse. His power is literally to be stronger than any opponent. He was only matched by Garo who had the ability to literally copy his exact power
I disagree, but that's a whole rant of itself
That’s not a specific ability Saitama‘s just a level 100 in a world full of level 2’s and 3’s
Yall in denial. The fact that he essentially got stronger than even himself at full power (Garo) shows that he will always be as powerful as he needs to be to dog walk his opponent
@@Unremarkable6969disagree all you want but he will grow nonstop unlike saiyans 😂
@Arcad1010 Exactly😂 Saitama will reach to a point where he will punch away reality if his opponent is strong enough, bet on it