Sylvain Guintoli, 1 time WSBK champion and 1 time EWC champion as well as former MotoGP test rider for Suzuki has a video about using the brakes in which he talks about brakes theory and then say: personally I never used the rear break during my WSBK winning season…
One tip that I keep trying to get riders to try is using their rear brake in those Oh $h!t pucker factor moments entering a corner or mid-corner. So many crashes happen because the rider gives up too soon on the corner, target fixates on something, and runs wide. If you find yourself starting to run wide just scrub your rear brake while maintaining your throttle. I've saved many a decreasing radius corners by scrubbing the rear brake to allow the bike to turn in faster and easier. It's the same principle as opening or closing the throttle only it doesn't upset the front end nearly as much and hardly any weight is transferred forward. It feels like it causes the rear to "squat" ever so slightly which makes the front easier to turn in.
if you want to slow down use rear brake if you want to stop use front brake 70% and back 30% at the same time...simple...for racing rear brake is used more to slow then accelerate again because if you use front brake all the speed force is shifted into the front and will be difficult to accelerate efficiently
Using the front brakes to slow and lean into a corner is the goal because it loads the front forks, If you dont properly load the front forks in a corner you have a good chance of losing the front.
@@schwifty7996 this is what i said...if you use front brakes all the force will be put to an halt it is like a car hitting a bump it is considered as emergency stop ...but if you push slightly on the back brakes it will slow and press the front brake very very light for precision while turning you won;t lose momentum :)
@@bramweinreder2346 riders in competition slide off doing what you said...i mean most accidents occur when front brakes are clenched...many people reported they fell off because of pressing too much the front brak due to adrenaline rush..
@@Teanagemewtantninja I can totally see that. Racing slicks are actually very hard, if you brake like that on softer road tires then the rubber will compress and "glass up" (becomes hard to the point of being slippery). Like a six year old put it: don't surprise the tire.
My top pro braking tip is... Brake as late as possible. Rear braking helps me tip in closer to the apex.. depending on the corner.. I ride a V-twin Aprilia RS 250..( Road to Race) !! mega corner speed. 💪👊👊
Wasted a few minutes of my life watching that.. Where’s the pro secret sorry? Rear brake for control in both stability and suspension loading is what it’s always been for as far as I knew from my learner days. That and easy hill starts. That’s why it’s so undersized in the first’s place.
They moving how much brake they want on the front or the back and traction control on every corner. They always switching the setting on every corner. Half way thru the race they will be changing mapping to save fuel and how much power they want out of certain corners. It’s crazy how much hand and finger moment they are really doing with changing the settings and then use the clutch and the front and rear brakes just to go as fast as they can through each turns
Trailbraking past apex makes champions. Rear brake mainly fine tunes your steering radius into a turn. I can brake just as good as any motogp rider in a straight line. The braking into the apex is a different story
When to apply the throttle is the secret that Rossi used to win so many races back in the day. Getting on the throttle right before the apex is key, even if you're still trail braking.
Front brakes perform a very important function he didn’t mention, unless I missed it. Applying the front brakes loads the fork which compresses the bikes geometry by reducing the rake angle (I believe) which also compresses the turn radius of the bike, which allows you to turn more aggressively, as long as the fork stays compressed. So in a performance turn, use the rear brake sparingly (if at all) until your exit line is well established. Ride safe…
I raced in the 70’s and 80’s and in roadracing I rarely used the rear brakes but back then the frame, suspension and tires cannot compare to today. And we did not have slipper clutches nor did we have ABS brakes. Near the end of my roadracing career slipper clutch and ABS became available but not quite reliable enough. But when I raced motocross I used the rear brake often very much for the same reasons MotoGP riders do today
There is no such thing as) as absolutely every rider uses it especially one a 1000cc machines , once you start racing at the high level of competition like BSB WSBK you’ll eventually start using it constantly 🙃
You also have to remember they have million dollar set ups, professional engineers / mechanics that set up the bikes per track / conditions, even AMA bikes don't compare to world bikes and those barely compare to moto gp bikes. You want to learn about this stuff commenters? Twist to the wrist by keith code, track days / camp days with professionals. GG
WTF ?? All bike racing has to use the front brake to transfer the weight to the front tire or the front tire will slide out? this is like the 4th video you have no idea what your talking about lol. Also the torque mapping controls the front wheel, motogp isnt using the rear brake to stop the front wheel from raising while accelerating.....
@@jbean530 He probably didn't for most of his career more than specific points of specific tracks. Guintoli said himself he didn't touch the rear brake in 2014 when he won WSBK for Aprilia. I'm pretty sure Biaggi didn't use it either, nor Lorenzo. Biaggi famously didn't even use GP shifting but stuck to street shifting for the longest time. Not sure if he ever changed it. I remember when Hayden first entered MotoGP he had twice the disc size back as everyone else, because he actually used the rear. Now, everyone uses it. But it wasn't so long ago almost nobody did.
how the fuck are you saying 90% are using only front brakes , dude they will skid or drift their bikes . especially in rainy condition they'll lose control .
It's not the rear break. It's the engine being used as a rear brake slowing the rear down. It's called "backing it in." Moto GP uses the rear brake, but it's all electronicly assisted. SBK and below,,, A skilled rider RARLEY applies pressure on their own unless an overshoot is detected and engine decel isn't giving enough slip. Thats why they invented the slipper clutch. It assists in letting the rear end slip for a more controlled transition into the corner after 3 to 4 gear downshifts in about 1 to 1.5 seconds.
Lets not discredit this brake video only using Toprak as an example. His examples are on human riders. and how they normally use brakes. Topraks dad was a big time stunt rider, there are many videos of toprak at 4 to 5 yrs old stunting old heavy bikes like its a stunt bike. He was a dirt and stunt rider before even getting on the track, and he literally uses the stopie in the race to turn the bike, when for most riders this that deep into a turn will mean, a crash for sure, he acts like as if his riding a unicycle. thers videos
I never used the back brake at all through all my bikes including an RG500, it was only when I moved to a 1200 four stroke I realised the benefit of engine braking and what that slight braking force actually does ie keeps the rear in line under hard braking , I now use the back brake always before front to 'preload' the suspension and reduce front dive, it effectively 'flattens' the bike downwards. Think of the force transferred down the swingarm onto the chassis at the fulcrum under braking. I even use the rear on corner exit to dull the power. I'm converted completely, I lost my rear brake while out last summer and boy did I notice the difference..try it.
I found this garbled. Too fast. Too much stuff flashing in the screen. No logical flow to the content. Just throwing in one thing on top of another. Sounds like a load of information has been gathered off the internet then presented in a fast paced monologue. "Some riders use the rear more than the front". Name them.
Who do you think is best rider on the brakes? Let me know in the comments below⬇⬇⬇
I just watched today MotoGP race in Thailand and it was crazy to me that how much time Marc gained on braking zones each time.
I’m going with toprak on this, brembo rep basically said nobody brakes like him lol
Rider weight transfer when and where
03:09 Razgatlıoğlu “topraking” Toprak!
Toprak is best rider on the brakes.
Toprak is the master on the brakes.
Can't argue with that statement. Imagine him and Marquez on track together!
Absolutely. The way he rides it looks like the bike is just an extension of his body
03:09 right there the “toprake”!
@absolutedan9173 yeah marc would take him out
@@absolutedan9173 Marquez learned from Toprak. You should watch the past races..
Sylvain Guintoli, 1 time WSBK champion and 1 time EWC champion as well as former MotoGP test rider for Suzuki has a video about using the brakes in which he talks about brakes theory and then say: personally I never used the rear break during my WSBK winning season…
One tip that I keep trying to get riders to try is using their rear brake in those Oh $h!t pucker factor moments entering a corner or mid-corner. So many crashes happen because the rider gives up too soon on the corner, target fixates on something, and runs wide. If you find yourself starting to run wide just scrub your rear brake while maintaining your throttle. I've saved many a decreasing radius corners by scrubbing the rear brake to allow the bike to turn in faster and easier. It's the same principle as opening or closing the throttle only it doesn't upset the front end nearly as much and hardly any weight is transferred forward. It feels like it causes the rear to "squat" ever so slightly which makes the front easier to turn in.
Yep that’s saved me a few times
3:10 STOPrak 😎
“toprake”
The GOD of the brake is Toprak Razgatlıoğlu. All riders included MotoGP or WorldSBK. No argue!
if you want to slow down use rear brake if you want to stop use front brake 70% and back 30% at the same time...simple...for racing rear brake is used more to slow then accelerate again because if you use front brake all the speed force is shifted into the front and will be difficult to accelerate efficiently
Using the front brakes to slow and lean into a corner is the goal because it loads the front forks, If you dont properly load the front forks in a corner you have a good chance of losing the front.
@@schwifty7996 this is what i said...if you use front brakes all the force will be put to an halt it is like a car hitting a bump it is considered as emergency stop ...but if you push slightly on the back brakes it will slow and press the front brake very very light for precision while turning you won;t lose momentum :)
You won't lose the front when you let the rear break out ;)
@@bramweinreder2346 riders in competition slide off doing what you said...i mean most accidents occur when front brakes are clenched...many people reported they fell off because of pressing too much the front brak due to adrenaline rush..
@@Teanagemewtantninja I can totally see that. Racing slicks are actually very hard, if you brake like that on softer road tires then the rubber will compress and "glass up" (becomes hard to the point of being slippery). Like a six year old put it: don't surprise the tire.
My top pro braking tip is... Brake as late as possible. Rear braking helps me tip in closer to the apex.. depending on the corner..
I ride a V-twin Aprilia RS 250..( Road to Race) !! mega corner speed. 💪👊👊
Wasted a few minutes of my life watching that.. Where’s the pro secret sorry? Rear brake for control in both stability and suspension loading is what it’s always been for as far as I knew from my learner days. That and easy hill starts. That’s why it’s so undersized in the first’s place.
03:08 proud of turkey, bmw wsbk 2024 pilot toprak razgatlıoğlu: i love his wheely braking called “:topraking”. :)
They moving how much brake they want on the front or the back and traction control on every corner. They always switching the setting on every corner. Half way thru the race they will be changing mapping to save fuel and how much power they want out of certain corners. It’s crazy how much hand and finger moment they are really doing with changing the settings and then use the clutch and the front and rear brakes just to go as fast as they can through each turns
Yep, still can't believe how many buttons they actually have on their bikes
Trailbraking past apex makes champions. Rear brake mainly fine tunes your steering radius into a turn.
I can brake just as good as any motogp rider in a straight line. The braking into the apex is a different story
When to apply the throttle is the secret that Rossi used to win so many races back in the day. Getting on the throttle right before the apex is key, even if you're still trail braking.
The rear break tightens up the corner, as in it helps hitting the apex.
Front brakes perform a very important function he didn’t mention, unless I missed it. Applying the front brakes loads the fork which compresses the bikes geometry by reducing the rake angle (I believe) which also compresses the turn radius of the bike, which allows you to turn more aggressively, as long as the fork stays compressed. So in a performance turn, use the rear brake sparingly (if at all) until your exit line is well established. Ride safe…
I raced in the 70’s and 80’s and in roadracing I rarely used the rear brakes but back then the frame, suspension and tires cannot compare to today. And we did not have slipper clutches nor did we have ABS brakes. Near the end of my roadracing career slipper clutch and ABS became available but not quite reliable enough. But when I raced motocross I used the rear brake often very much for the same reasons MotoGP riders do today
Can you make a deeper video about ABS and wheel locking? I Iack some basic understanding about both topics
This is a great video 👏
I'm not a pro driver but I think pro driver use front as the main brake and use rear for the adjustments depending on the situations
Motogp bikes have additional braking system which similar to a handbrake = thumb brake. Unlike any streetbikes
Dude, you ever been on a race track?!
Not on a bike...hopefully one day!
There is no such thing as) as absolutely every rider uses it especially one a 1000cc machines , once you start racing at the high level of competition like BSB WSBK you’ll eventually start using it constantly 🙃
Rear brakes straighten the bike this alone has helped me in effectively using the rear in many critical situations
The rear brake on my cbr1000rr doesn't even work, I use the clutch along with down shifts to slow the rear tyre
I'm sure they're using less front brake when raining
This is good content. Keep it up!
Thanks Miki!
good vid, rear brake is essential for modulation of braking forces.
There’s almost nothing in this video that is factual or accurate.
Nice braking 👍👍
Rear brakes have become so important many riders arenusing left hand rear brakes.
Saved!!! Good info. Thank you
You also have to remember they have million dollar set ups, professional engineers / mechanics that set up the bikes per track / conditions, even AMA bikes don't compare to world bikes and those barely compare to moto gp bikes. You want to learn about this stuff commenters? Twist to the wrist by keith code, track days / camp days with professionals. GG
rear break is use for power slide. .but most of the MOTOGP riders use front break . . .
Nah, they don’t use the back breaks they “back it in”
WTF ?? All bike racing has to use the front brake to transfer the weight to the front tire or the front tire will slide out? this is like the 4th video you have no idea what your talking about lol. Also the torque mapping controls the front wheel, motogp isnt using the rear brake to stop the front wheel from raising while accelerating.....
Have you seen jorge Martins interview on the rear brake, he literally said he uses the rear brake to keep the front down
Larger brake disc not for stopping power, intended for beter cooling cause of surface area thats larger
you know 2 thing can be true at the same time. the primary reason is stopping power, otherwise they could just add cooling fins
@@fetBNo. F=m•N Tribology
Toprak was using 100% rear brake in that first clip.
Rossi has said he doesn't use the rear brake.
Lies.
@@jbean530 He probably didn't for most of his career more than specific points of specific tracks. Guintoli said himself he didn't touch the rear brake in 2014 when he won WSBK for Aprilia. I'm pretty sure Biaggi didn't use it either, nor Lorenzo. Biaggi famously didn't even use GP shifting but stuck to street shifting for the longest time. Not sure if he ever changed it. I remember when Hayden first entered MotoGP he had twice the disc size back as everyone else, because he actually used the rear.
Now, everyone uses it. But it wasn't so long ago almost nobody did.
Good information. Thank you!
how the fuck are you saying 90% are using only front brakes , dude they will skid or drift their bikes . especially in rainy condition they'll lose control .
It's not the rear break. It's the engine being used as a rear brake slowing the rear down. It's called "backing it in." Moto GP uses the rear brake, but it's all electronicly assisted. SBK and below,,, A skilled rider RARLEY applies pressure on their own unless an overshoot is detected and engine decel isn't giving enough slip. Thats why they invented the slipper clutch. It assists in letting the rear end slip for a more controlled transition into the corner after 3 to 4 gear downshifts in about 1 to 1.5 seconds.
This video it's for eeuu riders who only knows how to squeeze the front lever without any progressivity.
Where is Mike?
Lets not discredit this brake video only using Toprak as an example. His examples are on human riders. and how they normally use brakes. Topraks dad was a big time stunt rider, there are many videos of toprak at 4 to 5 yrs old stunting old heavy bikes like its a stunt bike. He was a dirt and stunt rider before even getting on the track, and he literally uses the stopie in the race to turn the bike, when for most riders this that deep into a turn will mean, a crash for sure, he acts like as if his riding a unicycle. thers videos
If you've ridden a bike for more than a week you'll already know this
You miss engine breaking technique.
Why would they even use the rear at all? Since the rear brake is so weak to make any difference. You end up fishtailing if you even touch the rear.
More so for the finer details. Front brakes will do the heavy lifting but the finer adjustments that need to be made is what they are used for
I feel it helps the bike turn.
I use the rear brake to turn at low speed corner as the front turning more with rear brake at low speed.
I never used the back brake at all through all my bikes including an RG500, it was only when I moved to a 1200 four stroke I realised the benefit of engine braking and what that slight braking force actually does ie keeps the rear in line under hard braking , I now use the back brake always before front to 'preload' the suspension and reduce front dive, it effectively 'flattens' the bike downwards. Think of the force transferred down the swingarm onto the chassis at the fulcrum under braking. I even use the rear on corner exit to dull the power. I'm converted completely, I lost my rear brake while out last summer and boy did I notice the difference..try it.
He says in the video: partly to reduce front wheel lift, while maintaining engine speed
can't believe I'm a racer, i use more often rear brake than front
Toprak 110%
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I found this garbled. Too fast. Too much stuff flashing in the screen. No logical flow to the content. Just throwing in one thing on top of another. Sounds like a load of information has been gathered off the internet then presented in a fast paced monologue.
"Some riders use the rear more than the front". Name them.
The audacity to make these know it all nerd videos. How about you show us some riding?
99% of all bikes come with abs
Dead wrong. It's an option for a lot of bikes but it's definitely not standard.
They are all eliminated on racing machines 🙃
@@soufilms I wish I could eliminate mine easily
@@MastaSquidge all the bikes I’ve ever bought within last decade came with abs,
@@MastaSquidge It's legally required in the vast majority of countries the entire world isn't the USA.