The P38 may not be the last word in refinement or build quality, but it was from an era where LR still took Autobiographies off the assembly line for hand trimming and finishing. Nowadays everything just comes off an assembly line. And the wood & trim shops are long gone since Tata took control.
I still find the P38 looks exceptionally refined and understated - a very rare quality in modern cars - although I'll freely admit that could just be my Stockholm Syndrome talking. I owned one (or maybe it owned me) for several years and I absolutely loved it. Every drive in it felt like a special occasion. Nothing I've been in since has ever quite matched it for physical comfort, there was just something magical about the cabin. The greasy parts, the parts Land Rover understood, all worked extremely well but it was all the fancy gubbins they put in and clearly had only a vague idea what they were doing that were an absolute dog in terms of reliability. Everything was enormously over complicated and constantly broke down. From the Hevac to the air suspension, the accumulator powered brakes, the big nest of electronics under the seat so that they could get flooded when wading, the fact that the circuit board for the fuse box under the bonnet was a sandwich job (two layers welded together) without adequate cooling so it would crack. You had to individually recalibrate the power windows if your battery ever went down. It couldn't stand the battery going down by even half a volt by the way, all sorts of problems would start to appear, and of course the battery would go down because between the ant-theft sensors and the ride height leveling the car liked to wake itself up every 30 seconds and fidget a bit. The remote central locking and immobiliser would lock you out if you parked too close to your home or office because they'd been designed before wifi was a thing and would get confused by the signals. When that happened you had to have memorised a secret defeat code that you entered by putting the key in the door lock and then turning it A times left, then B times right, then X times left again, then Y times right again - it was like a secret handshake invented by 11 year olds! I could go on for pages about all the things that were wrong with it. A lot of it can be placed at Ford's doorstep as they owned the company at the time and were very mean about the development funding. The bottom line though is that if someone offered me a brand new one that had been preserved in some sort of bubble, even knowing everything I know I would still have it in a heartbeat.
I have owned and still own a P38 4.0 petrol autobiography for 20 years - I thankfully had the ECU for the remote changed and that stopped the battery drain and voltage issues. Engine and gearbox have been great! I had the 3.9 SE classic before and do think the P38 was a big step forward. I additionally bought and still own a 2010 4.4 TdIv8 L322 and a TDSv8 L405, both brilliant cars but each with pros and cons. The size of the P38 is ideal for English roads and country lanes.
Theres a P38 Holland and Holland that's been sitting in a Morrisons car park close to where i live. I thought it was maybe a worker's but when i passed it the other day its now looking abandoned. Tyres are getting soft and the air suspension has started going down in the rear. Id love to know who owns it and see whay the plans are for it if any at all
I own a 96 4.0l manual, and every time i drive a post 2015 car and then go back to the so called rot box, horrible, un dependable and so forth, it's like night and day. The comfort is just superb.
Hi team…… The P38 was not the first luxury Range Rover!!!! Land Rover went up market with the Range Rover in the early 1980’s with the In Vogue RR!!! Then they decided just to call it the Vogue RR…. I purchased a 1983 Nevada Gold RR one of 500 world wide!!! It was a special vehicle‘cause it was the first RR to have an automatic transmission!! 737 torque flight by Chrysler I believe!!!! The RR had air con…. Arm rests front and rear a picnic set and a chilly bin!!! It didn’t have electric windows…. But carpet was everywhere!!! The P38 RR often referred as the London taxi!!!’cause it looked like a bloody London taxi!!! The P38 in design was a brilliant idea but alas it was a bridge too far for Land Rover!!! I know I bloody bought one 1995 HSE in Beluga Black with Saddle leather interior!!! But everything broke on the damn car!! And sadly enough I still own the damn thing but it’s in storage and NOT running!!! My daily drive is a 1990 3.9 V8 automatic Range Rover with 280,889 kms on the clock!! Re the V12 into the P38…..BMW did consider this option…. But the mota was too long for the current engine bay!!!! To make it fit they would have needed to extend the front of the car… but this made the car look ugly and made the approach angle too low….hence effecting the off road dynamics of the P38!!! Unfortunately the the next RR the L322 or third generation was a BMW car…. And Germans don’t build very good cars!!! I have subscribed!!! Kind regards Ian 👨🎤🇳🇿😎👍🍸🍸😂
P38 4.6 on bulk LPG best comfortable long distance towing work horse You can find for BANGERNOMICS budget motoring 🤠 I have owned & driven D2 /D3 / D4 /D5 😬 G wagons 🙃, landcrusser👌, shoeguns👍 (3) & Navaras 🫣(2 ) but when towing hard they all = money pits !!! Owned 4 l322 s ,4.4 V8 LPG , 3.6 TDV8 & 4.4 TDV8 🤦= rot box , money pits which are a nightmare to work on. Keep going back to a well sorted robust rot free P38 4.6 on LPG Best BANGERNOMICS workhorse by miles, way cheaper than any diesel when setup correctly with proper LPG system, all the quirky electrics are easy fix when you tune into them, You can work on any part of a P38 yourself AND it was made in Britain 🇬🇧👍
Or more precisely the first Range Rover was the first luxury Range Rover. The non-luxury utilitarian vehicle was called the Land Rover Series 2, later the Series 3 and ultimately the Defender. Then in the 90s they introduced things like the Discovery and Freelander because a new market segment had been created by the likes of the Nissan Pathfinder, Mitsubishi Pajero, Honda CRV and Toyota RAV4.
Say no to cheap Chinese hunter wellies and say yes to Le Chameau French made wellies! Also you gotta love the L322, it’s just a great all rounder. I smile every time I get to drive mine. The 4.4 makes you smile just a tad more though.
@@npet6842 ah they’ve moved it since I was selling them so. They used to make the made to measure in France. Still though a far superior product than hunter.
@@eoghanfla6343 I've not had Morrocan ones , but there are many unhappy with the quality apparently . Soles separating from heel had been mentioned often . I always use a boot rack or the wooden steps to remove the Wellington by the heal , not pulling on the sole which could separate . Good to hear from you :-)
Hunter, another company that did produce quality and then moved production abroad. Now a total waste of money and utter sh1te, I would sooner get some from Aldi.
@@darrenhaywood9260 you are 100% right. At least with Aldi you aren’t paying a premium for a name! In fairness to le chateau I have mine 12 to 13 years now and they are still good. I used to sell one version to vets and they’d get two years full time wear but compared to cheap wellies they lasted probably 6-10 times longer with professional wear.
Sorry, but so many inaccuracies in this video! For instance, gun cabinets were not standard fit in either P38 or L322 Holland & Holland Range Rovers, although they could be ordered from a third party via your dealer, but few did. Please do some research before putting these videos out!
Yep, she also said having electric sunroof and windows were special features of the H&H. They clearly just showed up and pressed record, they had no idea what they were talking about. 🙃
Jeremy on Top Gear when reviewing this car stated that they would replenish the drinks cabinet in the back if you ran out. Wonder if that is still valid
Really sorry guys- simply not true that this was the first time Range Rover was luxurious. The P38 was not a sea change- it was pretty useless with little that was better than the previous classic. The Range Rover LSE of 92-93 was true luxury, and long wheelbase… look them up- forget the P38, the L322 was the sea change…
The v8s in the p38 are not BMW engines at all they hvae the same block as the previous v8s in the classic. They just have different strokes to give the different capacities
P38 4.6 on bulk LPG best comfortable long distance towing work horse You can find for BANGERNOMICS budget motoring 🤠 I have owned & driven D2 /D3 / D4 /D5 😬 G wagons 🙃, landcrusser👌, shoeguns👍 (3) & Navaras 🫣(2 ) but when towing hard they all = money pits !!! Owned 4 l322 s ,4.4 V8 LPG , 3.6 TDV8 & 4.4 TDV8 🤦= rot box , money pits which are a nightmare to work on. Keep going back to a well sorted robust rot free P38 4.6 on LPG Best BANGERNOMICS workhorse by miles, way cheaper than any diesel when setup correctly with proper LPG system, all the quirky electrics are easy fix when you tune into them, You can work on any part of a P38 yourself AND it was made in Britain 🇬🇧👍
How about doing your research beforehand instead of offering a click and paste presentation. It doesn't take a spotter to notice the smattering of flawed information provided by VBH & Co.
This is what they were built for, not for nipping to Waitrose to get the shopping, or wannabe gangsters with a number plate saying, B0SS DAWG or CE0 1. I personally hate the Range Rover trend. They definitely attract a certain type of character. Not the type that’s particularly friendly either, they’d rather drive over you than let you pass.
I know, sorry it’s just what I keep experiencing. I wouldn’t say it otherwise. I’m sure they’re not all like it, at least not in the first few weeks of ownership anyway 😂
@@project9320 the P38 suspension , software and most of the electrics were designed for a completely different kind of vehicle, they constantly failed and were replaced by components that were even less fit for purpose.
The P38 was and is a dog. Every LR specialist hates them. Horrible to work on snd ridiculously fragile. The worst car i ever owned. (The Disco 3 was the best)
P38 4.6 on bulk LPG best comfortable long distance towing work horse You can find for BANGERNOMICS budget motoring 🤠 I have owned & driven D2 /D3 / D4 /D5 😬 G wagons 🙃, landcrusser👌, shoeguns👍 (3) & Navaras 🫣(2 ) but when towing hard they all = money pits !!! Owned 4 l322 s ,4.4 V8 LPG , 3.6 TDV8 & 4.4 TDV8 🤦= rot box , money pits which are a nightmare to work on. Keep going back to a well sorted robust rot free P38 4.6 on LPG Best BANGERNOMICS workhorse by miles, way cheaper than any diesel when setup correctly with proper LPG system, all the quirky electrics are easy fix when you tune into them, You can work on any part of a P38 yourself AND it was made in Britain 🇬🇧👍
I owned 4 p38s all bought used with highish mileage but in great nick, never had too much of an issue on any of them save for regular wear and tear. People just dunno how to take care of them
P38 4.6 on bulk LPG best comfortable long distance towing work horse You can find for BANGERNOMICS budget motoring 🤠 I have owned & driven D2 /D3 / D4 /D5 😬 G wagons 🙃, landcrusser👌, shoeguns👍 (3) & Navaras 🫣(2 ) but when towing hard they all = money pits !!! Owned 4 l322 s ,4.4 V8 LPG , 3.6 TDV8 & 4.4 TDV8 🤦= rot box , money pits which are a nightmare to work on. Keep going back to a well sorted robust rot free P38 4.6 on LPG Best BANGERNOMICS workhorse by miles, way cheaper than any diesel when setup correctly with proper LPG system, all the quirky electrics are easy fix when you tune into them, You can work on any part of a P38 yourself AND it was made in Britain 🇬🇧👍
I bought a 2012 L322 Overfinch last April and it is good fun.
The P38 may not be the last word in refinement or build quality, but it was from an era where LR still took Autobiographies off the assembly line for hand trimming and finishing. Nowadays everything just comes off an assembly line. And the wood & trim shops are long gone since Tata took control.
Fantastic video ! Love it ! Thanks you so much !
I still find the P38 looks exceptionally refined and understated - a very rare quality in modern cars - although I'll freely admit that could just be my Stockholm Syndrome talking.
I owned one (or maybe it owned me) for several years and I absolutely loved it. Every drive in it felt like a special occasion. Nothing I've been in since has ever quite matched it for physical comfort, there was just something magical about the cabin. The greasy parts, the parts Land Rover understood, all worked extremely well but it was all the fancy gubbins they put in and clearly had only a vague idea what they were doing that were an absolute dog in terms of reliability. Everything was enormously over complicated and constantly broke down. From the Hevac to the air suspension, the accumulator powered brakes, the big nest of electronics under the seat so that they could get flooded when wading, the fact that the circuit board for the fuse box under the bonnet was a sandwich job (two layers welded together) without adequate cooling so it would crack. You had to individually recalibrate the power windows if your battery ever went down. It couldn't stand the battery going down by even half a volt by the way, all sorts of problems would start to appear, and of course the battery would go down because between the ant-theft sensors and the ride height leveling the car liked to wake itself up every 30 seconds and fidget a bit. The remote central locking and immobiliser would lock you out if you parked too close to your home or office because they'd been designed before wifi was a thing and would get confused by the signals. When that happened you had to have memorised a secret defeat code that you entered by putting the key in the door lock and then turning it A times left, then B times right, then X times left again, then Y times right again - it was like a secret handshake invented by 11 year olds!
I could go on for pages about all the things that were wrong with it. A lot of it can be placed at Ford's doorstep as they owned the company at the time and were very mean about the development funding. The bottom line though is that if someone offered me a brand new one that had been preserved in some sort of bubble, even knowing everything I know I would still have it in a heartbeat.
I have owned and still own a P38 4.0 petrol autobiography for 20 years - I thankfully had the ECU for the remote changed and that stopped the battery drain and voltage issues. Engine and gearbox have been great!
I had the 3.9 SE classic before and do think the P38 was a big step forward. I additionally bought and still own a 2010 4.4 TdIv8 L322 and a TDSv8 L405, both brilliant cars but each with pros and cons. The size of the P38 is ideal for English roads and country lanes.
@@goodfest007 That's a good point - it's very manoeverable. Like in fact the London cab it is unflatteringly sometimes likened to.
Theres a P38 Holland and Holland that's been sitting in a Morrisons car park close to where i live. I thought it was maybe a worker's but when i passed it the other day its now looking abandoned. Tyres are getting soft and the air suspension has started going down in the rear. Id love to know who owns it and see whay the plans are for it if any at all
The first nod to we can do luxury was the In Vogue classics.
Couldn’t agree more- P38… hmmmmm
I own a 96 4.0l manual, and every time i drive a post 2015 car and then go back to the so called rot box, horrible, un dependable and so forth, it's like night and day. The comfort is just superb.
Hi team……
The P38 was not the first luxury Range Rover!!!!
Land Rover went up market with the Range Rover in the early 1980’s with the In Vogue RR!!!
Then they decided just to call it the Vogue RR….
I purchased a 1983 Nevada Gold RR one of 500 world wide!!! It was a special vehicle‘cause it was the first RR to have an automatic transmission!! 737 torque flight by Chrysler I believe!!!!
The RR had air con…. Arm rests front and rear a picnic set and a chilly bin!!!
It didn’t have electric windows…. But carpet was everywhere!!!
The P38 RR often referred as the London taxi!!!’cause it looked like a bloody London taxi!!!
The P38 in design was a brilliant idea but alas it was a bridge too far for Land Rover!!!
I know I bloody bought one 1995 HSE in Beluga Black with Saddle leather interior!!!
But everything broke on the damn car!!
And sadly enough I still own the damn thing but it’s in storage and NOT running!!!
My daily drive is a 1990 3.9 V8 automatic Range Rover with 280,889 kms on the clock!!
Re the V12 into the P38…..BMW did consider this option….
But the mota was too long for the current engine bay!!!!
To make it fit they would have needed to extend the front of the car… but this made the car look ugly and made the approach angle too low….hence effecting the off road dynamics of the P38!!!
Unfortunately the the next RR the L322 or third generation was a BMW car…. And Germans don’t build very good cars!!!
I have subscribed!!!
Kind regards
Ian 👨🎤🇳🇿😎👍🍸🍸😂
Thanks Ian!
P38 4.6 on bulk LPG best comfortable long distance towing work horse You can find for BANGERNOMICS budget motoring 🤠
I have owned & driven D2 /D3 / D4 /D5 😬 G wagons 🙃, landcrusser👌, shoeguns👍 (3) & Navaras 🫣(2 ) but when towing hard they all = money pits !!!
Owned 4 l322 s ,4.4 V8 LPG , 3.6 TDV8 & 4.4 TDV8 🤦= rot box , money pits which are a nightmare to work on.
Keep going back to a well sorted robust rot free P38 4.6 on LPG
Best BANGERNOMICS workhorse by miles, way cheaper than any diesel when setup correctly with proper LPG system, all the quirky electrics are easy fix when you tune into them, You can work on any part of a P38 yourself
AND it was made in Britain
🇬🇧👍
Or more precisely the first Range Rover was the first luxury Range Rover.
The non-luxury utilitarian vehicle was called the Land Rover Series 2, later the Series 3 and ultimately the Defender. Then in the 90s they introduced things like the Discovery and Freelander because a new market segment had been created by the likes of the Nissan Pathfinder, Mitsubishi Pajero, Honda CRV and Toyota RAV4.
Enjoyed this cheers
Ive owned about 4 p38s, all special editions, man I miss them. Also had a 03 autobiography. dont miss that as much
Say no to cheap Chinese hunter wellies and say yes to Le Chameau French made wellies! Also you gotta love the L322, it’s just a great all rounder. I smile every time I get to drive mine. The 4.4 makes you smile just a tad more though.
Haven't been French made for years .
@@npet6842 ah they’ve moved it since I was selling them so. They used to make the made to measure in France. Still though a far superior product than hunter.
@@eoghanfla6343 I've not had Morrocan ones , but there are many unhappy with the quality apparently . Soles separating from heel had been mentioned often . I always use a boot rack or the wooden steps to remove the Wellington by the heal , not pulling on the sole which could separate . Good to hear from you :-)
Hunter, another company that did produce quality and then moved production abroad. Now a total waste of money and utter sh1te, I would sooner get some from Aldi.
@@darrenhaywood9260 you are 100% right. At least with Aldi you aren’t paying a premium for a name!
In fairness to le chateau I have mine 12 to 13 years now and they are still good. I used to sell one version to vets and they’d get two years full time wear but compared to cheap wellies they lasted probably 6-10 times longer with professional wear.
Sorry, but so many inaccuracies in this video! For instance, gun cabinets were not standard fit in either P38 or L322 Holland & Holland Range Rovers, although they could be ordered from a third party via your dealer, but few did. Please do some research before putting these videos out!
Yep, she also said having electric sunroof and windows were special features of the H&H. They clearly just showed up and pressed record, they had no idea what they were talking about. 🙃
Fluff me she still looks good 😉
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 top video!
For the love of all that is holy, can someone please fix that squinty rear number plate on the L322?
Jeremy on Top Gear when reviewing this car stated that they would replenish the drinks cabinet in the back if you ran out. Wonder if that is still valid
Really sorry guys- simply not true that this was the first time Range Rover was luxurious. The P38 was not a sea change- it was pretty useless with little that was better than the previous classic. The Range Rover LSE of 92-93 was true luxury, and long wheelbase… look them up- forget the P38, the L322 was the sea change…
old rovers had picnic tables in the back as did a couple of other marks ,it wasn't just rolls .
The v8s in the p38 are not BMW engines at all they hvae the same block as the previous v8s in the classic. They just have different strokes to give the different capacities
Wonderful - just wish you could get reasonable insurance on them !!!
Insuring the older ones isn’t a problem at all 😂
500 quid my l322 4.4 tdv8 insurance. Im 31
P38 4.6 on bulk LPG best comfortable long distance towing work horse You can find for BANGERNOMICS budget motoring 🤠
I have owned & driven D2 /D3 / D4 /D5 😬 G wagons 🙃, landcrusser👌, shoeguns👍 (3) & Navaras 🫣(2 ) but when towing hard they all = money pits !!!
Owned 4 l322 s ,4.4 V8 LPG , 3.6 TDV8 & 4.4 TDV8 🤦= rot box , money pits which are a nightmare to work on.
Keep going back to a well sorted robust rot free P38 4.6 on LPG
Best BANGERNOMICS workhorse by miles, way cheaper than any diesel when setup correctly with proper LPG system, all the quirky electrics are easy fix when you tune into them, You can work on any part of a P38 yourself
AND it was made in Britain
🇬🇧👍
Lots of fun filming this 😂
How about doing your research beforehand instead of offering a click and paste presentation. It doesn't take a spotter to notice the smattering of flawed information provided by VBH & Co.
😘
This is what they were built for, not for nipping to Waitrose to get the shopping, or wannabe gangsters with a number plate saying, B0SS DAWG or CE0 1. I personally hate the Range Rover trend. They definitely attract a certain type of character. Not the type that’s particularly friendly either, they’d rather drive over you than let you pass.
That's quite a generalisation. Not all Range Rover drivers are wankers.. most maybe, but not all
I know, sorry it’s just what I keep experiencing. I wouldn’t say it otherwise. I’m sure they’re not all like it, at least not in the first few weeks of ownership anyway 😂
SHUT IT YOO SLAAAAG!! 😉
None of the P38 H&Hs came with a gun cabinet.
Bit of a lean on the P38?
They all do that, Sir 😂
I think your valuation is way off.
Thanks for your comment.
P38 was an electronic nightmare for me
The p38 looks like it is VICKY BUTLER HENDERSONS = V8 HHE
SORRY, I just cannot watch her but... good luck!!
Link in description to all upcoming lots 👆🏼
p38 all the way
RR P38 probably the RR that caused more stress to its owner than anything else they threw together. Absolute piece of crap
They were pretty good. Did you have a bad experience?
@@project9320 the P38 suspension , software and most of the electrics were designed for a completely different kind of vehicle, they constantly failed and were replaced by components that were even less fit for purpose.
P38 better than L322 Rot boxes
Inaccurate
love old Range rovers..the new ones are a expensive joke
The P38 was and is a dog. Every LR specialist hates them. Horrible to work on snd ridiculously fragile. The worst car i ever owned. (The Disco 3 was the best)
Not true nowadays a P38 is a welcome change from the modern L322 L405 Evoque and discoveries.
Not a complex car by any means.
P38 4.6 on bulk LPG best comfortable long distance towing work horse You can find for BANGERNOMICS budget motoring 🤠
I have owned & driven D2 /D3 / D4 /D5 😬 G wagons 🙃, landcrusser👌, shoeguns👍 (3) & Navaras 🫣(2 ) but when towing hard they all = money pits !!!
Owned 4 l322 s ,4.4 V8 LPG , 3.6 TDV8 & 4.4 TDV8 🤦= rot box , money pits which are a nightmare to work on.
Keep going back to a well sorted robust rot free P38 4.6 on LPG
Best BANGERNOMICS workhorse by miles, way cheaper than any diesel when setup correctly with proper LPG system, all the quirky electrics are easy fix when you tune into them, You can work on any part of a P38 yourself
AND it was made in Britain
🇬🇧👍
I owned 4 p38s all bought used with highish mileage but in great nick, never had too much of an issue on any of them save for regular wear and tear. People just dunno how to take care of them
P36 was the worst Range Rover ever made, L322 prob the best
How can these unreliable rot boxes compete with the Japanese alternative?, they can’t.
Jap 4x4's rot faster than most Land rovers, well known..
P38 4.6 on bulk LPG best comfortable long distance towing work horse You can find for BANGERNOMICS budget motoring 🤠
I have owned & driven D2 /D3 / D4 /D5 😬 G wagons 🙃, landcrusser👌, shoeguns👍 (3) & Navaras 🫣(2 ) but when towing hard they all = money pits !!!
Owned 4 l322 s ,4.4 V8 LPG , 3.6 TDV8 & 4.4 TDV8 🤦= rot box , money pits which are a nightmare to work on.
Keep going back to a well sorted robust rot free P38 4.6 on LPG
Best BANGERNOMICS workhorse by miles, way cheaper than any diesel when setup correctly with proper LPG system, all the quirky electrics are easy fix when you tune into them, You can work on any part of a P38 yourself
AND it was made in Britain
🇬🇧👍