Try this for yourself - www.racedepartment.com/downloads/wonderful-winter-layout-for-kunos-nordschleife.56727/ (yes i know noise gate is still ass, i recorded a couple of videos in a row before I realised)
@@test-tl8dt Toyota Corolla E70 for the OG experience 😄 They are getting increasingly rare though and I can't even remember when I last saw one. When I was at that age people were going sideways mostly with Sierras, BMW E30, E34 and E36, Mercedes E190 and old Volvos. Nowadays even those are becoming a rare sight or that is what is feels like.
@@vaenii5056 I have two friends who slide Sierras, but I think it depends on where you're from. In the southern countryside there's still variety from the 80's to mid-00's, though BMW E46 and W203 Mercedes are getting more common to see at the cost of Toyotas and E30s.
You know what could be cool? having The Ring used in the winter, somehow. Not the whole of it, imagine plowing all that when snow is heavy, then getting stuck; don't think that's realistic. No, I'm talking about only "localized playgrounds" near some of the various exits/entrances/parking spots, where various events could be held, like idk, fun snow driving/drifting, short sectors snow time attack accompanied by some winter driving school with theory and all that. The kind of events where 150 hp car might win vs a 500hp one. Maybe he can have that, IRL in the future.😁
Looks like there's a bit too much grip for a regular street tire, but then a regular winter street tire would do better than this. The under/over-steer characteristics of the car looks just about right though, for someone who's spent quite a few years daily-driving a GC8 in Sweden. It's often quite understeery, especially if you drive it gently, and slowly lean it into the turns. Giving it throttle at that point will usually just continue the understeer. So the trick is to get it to start rotating and then give it throttle, enough to break traction at the rear, then let it sit in a nice 4-wheel drift. If you get a bit of opposite lock is also fine, but at that point you need to start taking more car with the throttle as it's easy to over-do it. Get too much sideways and at that point it's really hard to catch. If you stay on the throttle it will spin around, but if you lift off the throttle it will also spin around. Snow is great as it let's you easily reach fun territory, without having to go crazy fast.
i think PGR4 is the only game brave enough to have snowburgring as a built-in track out of the box, it's a little weird how few games bother with what's an obviously fun idea
One time, I wanted to take a shortcut home via a snowy road. I thought "okay, what happens if I need to brake here?" Hit the brake, did a perfect 180, decided to take that as a sign to drive the long way :D
Growing up in the midwest this looks like so much fun. Always used to drive fast in some windy late at night in the snow when I was younger and got really good at controlling spins because of it.
I think this video will be the one i show people when they ask why I'm such of fan of Jimmy Broadbent. This has it all. Just a regular bloke casually drifting through the Nordschleife on snow talking about why we all love sim racing. It's no wonder you've succeeded in making your hobby into a way of life. You're an ambassador for all of us that have ever attatched a wheel to whatever flat surface they have and fired up whatever simulator they had and just belted out laps. Honestly you're the one who made me think sim racing was something I'd like to do for a hobby, and I've enjoyed thousands of hours since the first time I used a wheel. Thank you Jimmy.
We gotta see a new “how fast can ____ lap the Nurburgring” series, but in the snow. Maybe like a little weekly winter special, just for fun, crashing ok. I think we all enjoy watching and listening to you have fun more than just trying to drive fast anyways.
There was an official run on the ring a couple of years ago in a slightly modified Formula 3 racecar, I think it was. It might have just been studded tyres. But there's a video on here that you can search for "Single seater driven around Nurburgring Nordschleife in the snow!".
This is a much more relaxed experience than Monte Carlo in Winter in WRC. The moment that ice road kicks in the wheel goes completely soft and floaty and it terrifies me every time XD
there are "Rally" car mods for AC now that tap into CSP weatherfx. they come with dirt/rain tires probably would be a lot more fun. AC seems to have a suction effect on street tires + adverse weather
It would be interesting to see how it would do on Winter tyres (also called snow and slush, as opposed to studded ice tyres). They make a huge difference on normal roads in the snow we have here, in Germany.
In the 80s, to learn how to drive in the snow (Wisconsin), my dad took me out in our Chevy Suburban (RWD) at night in a blizzard, deliberately put it in a ditch a few miles outside of town, and said, "Okay, now drive home." ... The point being, Jimmy. You gotta do RWD in the snow. So much fun. ;)
This is so cool, because me and my friends group does a walk on the Nordschleife at the end of every year and its been 80/20% in the snow so far for roughly 10 years,. Love the vibe there in this weather.
Nice to see the impreza getting love. Owning one for 12 years now, so nice to see it here. There is a video of an instructor driving the formula bmw in the snow. But I think this was an one time deal.
I agree so much! Sim racing at its best is just the experience, the escapism and the challenge. These kind of videos feed both the car nerd part of the brain and the imagination. Love it. Good one Jimmer 😊
IRL the back straight would be absolutely lethal, at 1C most of the snow on the road would be slush & hitting a slush pile even at every day commute speeds can and will pull your car into a ditch, at the Nurburgring it'd probably just launch you face first into the barrier.
Man, I laughed hard at that downhill joke and then the Seinfeld credits showed up. About the experience, I never think I watched that in reality, not even in rallying, because Rally Germany is raced in August. But back in the day the Spa Rally had some special stages in Spa-Francorchamps circuit (the rally is run in February) and it was pure awesomeness to watch the likes of Patrick Snijers and Marc Duez sending it in Gr. A cars in Spa circuit covered in snow.
So when it comes to snowburgring irl, it has been done in a pretty mental machine. a 917-10 back in 1973. having driven the -20 and -30 in sims, can say that car isn't easy to drive in normal circumstances so cannot even begin to imagine how difficult it would be it in the snow for real. Edit: Looked it up and it's even more insane, not only was it a 917 in the snow, the then president of germany was in the passanger seat which was there for regulations only so had no belts and was mounted higher than the drivers seat due to the extinguisher being under it. apparently they were doing 250+ down the straight on the return to the pits
they did great with that skin, the trees look SO good! even if they did rebel tree dirty... i might turn my heat off and get it nice and cool in my house before trying this in vr.
We booked a trackday in an Oct when it snowed one year and we were not allowed to go out. Was a disappointing visit. There was a Spa day the next day so we all pilled over there for some fun as that was clear.
Always good to see you back at the Nordschleife! That scoobydoo may have been slow, but it was at least faster than your shed. Or, for that matter, the thumping great quarry truck that you attempted to take round the green hell. You were wondering how an F1 car would handle the snow, and that would surely be a glorious thing to behold; but . . . How would a Praga R1 handle the snow? I believe you know someone who owns an actual real-life R1, right?
When I was rallying upstate NY in Geneseo when ever it snowed I always pull the ABS fuse as I was told by everyone ABS is detrimental to braking distance on snow, it keeps you straight but you'll over shoot braking distance by miles. And sure it enough left the ABS on once and it took what felt like a mile to get the car slowed down, luckily I overshot in a spot that was a T junction so had to u turn the car and drive back to the stage. So ABS always gets pulled on my cars on the snow.
Seeing a scooter go sideways reminds me of two drivers Colin Mcrea at any rally course and Mark Higgins on the the Isle of man (also known as ' the moment' ) it's well worth the watch .
Nice to see you enjoying a mod I could participate in (I am the author of the track skin itself). I lost my dear feline buddy today but you could help me make the day a bit better and bring a smile on my face.
6:40 Certified Broadbent moment: After saying 'masterfully avoided' and avoiding a collision with the wall, he accelerates toward an even sharper corner instead of losing just a little speed in the minimalistic straight line before, hoping to navigate the corner successfully. as he likes to say "never give up"....yes but loose a little speed my dude !
11:23 literally me this morning. it was snowing like crazy, im trying to stop, on the tram tracks, sliding all about. and a mum with her son thought it was a great Idea to cross the road 😳😳😳😳 I had not stopped yet....
3:47 porsche testdriver Willi Kauhsen took the German federal president round in the snow in the 70s in a 1000hp Porsche :D And the only car that crashed was the police car scouting the track before them
I wish you used a BMW for this, it snowed for half an hour earlier and in 5 minutes i went past 1 BMW on the verge, another in a ditch and a new X6 tail slapping about 5 or 6 times as it tried crossing lanes 😂
Well, that was fun. Future suggestions - Lambo Gallardo, Audi R8 V10, Ford GT40, Porsche 911 Turbo (any one will do for the lols), and the utimate challenge... the Hillman Avenger!!!
AFAIK just like TC the ABS is also bad because the friction is so low it can't work properly, and it's just better to lock the wheels and cause snow di pile up in fron of them to help the car slow down, same applies for gravel.
Try this for yourself - www.racedepartment.com/downloads/wonderful-winter-layout-for-kunos-nordschleife.56727/
(yes i know noise gate is still ass, i recorded a couple of videos in a row before I realised)
Thanks kind sir
jimmy you forgor to pin the pinned comment
it is important to master the specific physics of the car in CM on snow and water
what temps did you use
do you have the car link jimmer?
Tonight: Jimmy discovers why Finland dominates racing
need a 90 horsepower ford sierra around this for the proper finland going to school as a 18 year old experience
@@test-tl8dt Toyota Corolla E70 for the OG experience 😄
They are getting increasingly rare though and I can't even remember when I last saw one. When I was at that age people were going sideways mostly with Sierras, BMW E30, E34 and E36, Mercedes E190 and old Volvos. Nowadays even those are becoming a rare sight or that is what is feels like.
@@test-tl8dtfor me it was a 250whp s13, snow driving in that thing is so much fun
@@test-tl8dt Just don't go crashing into a truck on the expressway, or it might be the last time you'll crash
@@vaenii5056 I have two friends who slide Sierras, but I think it depends on where you're from. In the southern countryside there's still variety from the 80's to mid-00's, though BMW E46 and W203 Mercedes are getting more common to see at the cost of Toyotas and E30s.
You almost have to specify in the title if it's sim vs RL these days Jimmer, you being the real deal with actual green hell experience😁
what I was thinking
White hell temporary.
I was thinking the same thing.
Its closed in the winter, that may have been your first clue.
If the video is shorter than 15 minutes then most likely is sim
These are the types of videos that got me hooked on your channel. I love the spirit of trying something you maybe can't try irl.
You know what could be cool? having The Ring used in the winter, somehow. Not the whole of it, imagine plowing all that when snow is heavy, then getting stuck; don't think that's realistic. No, I'm talking about only "localized playgrounds" near some of the various exits/entrances/parking spots, where various events could be held, like idk, fun snow driving/drifting, short sectors snow time attack accompanied by some winter driving school with theory and all that. The kind of events where 150 hp car might win vs a 500hp one. Maybe he can have that, IRL in the future.😁
Jimmy finally turned the Nürburgring into a rally stage XD
It already is a rally stage in Rally Koln
Imagine nords as an RX track. More cars, more turns, more slides. Who needs safety anyways?
New Nordschleife hot lap series in the snow? 12 hot laps of christmas? 👀
Awesome idea, very festive
Nice idea, one of the "dishes" should be a Stratos!
Looks like there's a bit too much grip for a regular street tire, but then a regular winter street tire would do better than this. The under/over-steer characteristics of the car looks just about right though, for someone who's spent quite a few years daily-driving a GC8 in Sweden.
It's often quite understeery, especially if you drive it gently, and slowly lean it into the turns. Giving it throttle at that point will usually just continue the understeer. So the trick is to get it to start rotating and then give it throttle, enough to break traction at the rear, then let it sit in a nice 4-wheel drift. If you get a bit of opposite lock is also fine, but at that point you need to start taking more car with the throttle as it's easy to over-do it. Get too much sideways and at that point it's really hard to catch. If you stay on the throttle it will spin around, but if you lift off the throttle it will also spin around. Snow is great as it let's you easily reach fun territory, without having to go crazy fast.
i think PGR4 is the only game brave enough to have snowburgring as a built-in track out of the box, it's a little weird how few games bother with what's an obviously fun idea
You can do it on Project Cars as well
PC2 does as well
Someone needs to come up with Cheeseburgring, I think.
You've heard of Burger King, now get ready for Burguring
"Nürumburgerkingring" is a running in-joke in my friend circle.
One time, I wanted to take a shortcut home via a snowy road. I thought "okay, what happens if I need to brake here?"
Hit the brake, did a perfect 180, decided to take that as a sign to drive the long way :D
car?
snow Nurburgring + RUF Yellowbird seems like a great idea
Growing up in the midwest this looks like so much fun. Always used to drive fast in some windy late at night in the snow when I was younger and got really good at controlling spins because of it.
Midwesterner too. Huge parking lots for drifting, back roads for rally
Midwest where? UK? US? Germany?
@@ajrichar0 midwest is in the US
The Shelby Cobra would be a wild time around this too
I think this video will be the one i show people when they ask why I'm such of fan of Jimmy Broadbent. This has it all. Just a regular bloke casually drifting through the Nordschleife on snow talking about why we all love sim racing. It's no wonder you've succeeded in making your hobby into a way of life. You're an ambassador for all of us that have ever attatched a wheel to whatever flat surface they have and fired up whatever simulator they had and just belted out laps. Honestly you're the one who made me think sim racing was something I'd like to do for a hobby, and I've enjoyed thousands of hours since the first time I used a wheel. Thank you Jimmy.
I second this 👏
We gotta see a new “how fast can ____ lap the Nurburgring” series, but in the snow. Maybe like a little weekly winter special, just for fun, crashing ok. I think we all enjoy watching and listening to you have fun more than just trying to drive fast anyways.
There was an official run on the ring a couple of years ago in a slightly modified Formula 3 racecar, I think it was. It might have just been studded tyres. But there's a video on here that you can search for "Single seater driven around Nurburgring Nordschleife in the snow!".
Surely Jimmy must know this exists? Heck of a driving instructor advert.
I remember in PGR 4, I had to do a challenge in the career mode, I had to drive a 50s f1 car around the nurburgring in the snow
You remember another game that let you do this ? Project Gotham Racing 4 from 2007. This game also had Macau too.
Anyone else remember this but in PGR 4? I remember driving it and having no idea what I was driving on but thought it was way too long for a “track” 😂
Should try with a Volvo 240 for the real Swedish winter forest mood 😊
This is a much more relaxed experience than Monte Carlo in Winter in WRC. The moment that ice road kicks in the wheel goes completely soft and floaty and it terrifies me every time XD
Needs a snow tyre mod to really get the full experience, that looked like a baby deer on an ice rink at times!
there are "Rally" car mods for AC now that tap into CSP weatherfx. they come with dirt/rain tires probably would be a lot more fun. AC seems to have a suction effect on street tires + adverse weather
That final straight under the Bilstein bridge was genuinely some of the most impressive driving I've seen on this channel
It would be interesting to see how it would do on Winter tyres (also called snow and slush, as opposed to studded ice tyres). They make a huge difference on normal roads in the snow we have here, in Germany.
Great video, Jimmer. I like this new editing style of having just your voice over the replay of the car's exterior. It's a new perspective, lol.
"I'll leave a link down below" Forgets link as usual LOL
Wow! Love this kind of videos! 110% agree on the real beauty of simracing!
Used to love messing around with a Lada & snow track mod for AC. Was so much fun because the car physics were tweaked to have less grip ect
In the 80s, to learn how to drive in the snow (Wisconsin), my dad took me out in our Chevy Suburban (RWD) at night in a blizzard, deliberately put it in a ditch a few miles outside of town, and said, "Okay, now drive home." ... The point being, Jimmy. You gotta do RWD in the snow. So much fun. ;)
you could do a Touristenfahrten lobby in the snow
This is so cool, because me and my friends group does a walk on the Nordschleife at the end of every year and its been 80/20% in the snow so far for roughly 10 years,. Love the vibe there in this weather.
A classic broadbent video. Love it!
Suggestion: a 3 wheeler in the snow 😉
I remember dirving on this track with snow in PGR4. Its was insane!
As a Canadian this just looks like a random Tuesday in the winter😅
Nice to see the impreza getting love. Owning one for 12 years now, so nice to see it here.
There is a video of an instructor driving the formula bmw in the snow. But I think this was an one time deal.
I agree so much! Sim racing at its best is just the experience, the escapism and the challenge. These kind of videos feed both the car nerd part of the brain and the imagination. Love it. Good one Jimmer 😊
RIP Rebel tree 1843 - 2023
i remember having the option for snow in PC2 and it was amazing...
F40 next? i can barely keep that thing on track in the summer.
Editor chan got me howling at 9:54 😂😂
Would love to see you race your friends round the snowy ring in a class of your choice !
It reminds me of Project Gotham Racing 4. I think it was first game which offered Nurburgring at snow ❄️ That was fun.
IRL the back straight would be absolutely lethal, at 1C most of the snow on the road would be slush & hitting a slush pile even at every day commute speeds can and will pull your car into a ditch, at the Nurburgring it'd probably just launch you face first into the barrier.
Man, I laughed hard at that downhill joke and then the Seinfeld credits showed up. About the experience, I never think I watched that in reality, not even in rallying, because Rally Germany is raced in August. But back in the day the Spa Rally had some special stages in Spa-Francorchamps circuit (the rally is run in February) and it was pure awesomeness to watch the likes of Patrick Snijers and Marc Duez sending it in Gr. A cars in Spa circuit covered in snow.
1:27 - note: snow be wet
Someone did this IRL in a single seater. Must've been amazing fun.
So when it comes to snowburgring irl, it has been done in a pretty mental machine. a 917-10 back in 1973. having driven the -20 and -30 in sims, can say that car isn't easy to drive in normal circumstances so cannot even begin to imagine how difficult it would be it in the snow for real. Edit: Looked it up and it's even more insane, not only was it a 917 in the snow, the then president of germany was in the passanger seat which was there for regulations only so had no belts and was mounted higher than the drivers seat due to the extinguisher being under it. apparently they were doing 250+ down the straight on the return to the pits
If you want to go crazy no 4wd in this scenario, try the RUF yellow bird - that should be fun
That was last Saturday here in Kansas. Driving in 8 inches (20 cm) of the stuff is always fun.
it is important to master the specific physics of the car in CM on snow and water
Definitely need a Nurburgring lap series in snow!!!!
Looks like a relaxing drive through Northern Ontario Canada...
Just missing the layer of ice under the snow...
what ive learned playing on snow maps in the last couple months is that its mad easy to go a little too fast 😂
So awesome. Would love to see more of this with different cars.
they did great with that skin, the trees look SO good! even if they did rebel tree dirty...
i might turn my heat off and get it nice and cool in my house before trying this in vr.
We booked a trackday in an Oct when it snowed one year and we were not allowed to go out. Was a disappointing visit. There was a Spa day the next day so we all pilled over there for some fun as that was clear.
Gonna try this with a hot hatch over the weekend, relieve my youth for a while 😂
Always good to see you back at the Nordschleife!
That scoobydoo may have been slow, but it was at least faster than your shed. Or, for that matter, the thumping great quarry truck that you attempted to take round the green hell.
You were wondering how an F1 car would handle the snow, and that would surely be a glorious thing to behold; but . . . How would a Praga R1 handle the snow?
I believe you know someone who owns an actual real-life R1, right?
When I was rallying upstate NY in Geneseo when ever it snowed I always pull the ABS fuse as I was told by everyone ABS is detrimental to braking distance on snow, it keeps you straight but you'll over shoot braking distance by miles. And sure it enough left the ABS on once and it took what felt like a mile to get the car slowed down, luckily I overshot in a spot that was a T junction so had to u turn the car and drive back to the stage. So ABS always gets pulled on my cars on the snow.
F for the rebel tree, gone but never forgotten
Seeing a scooter go sideways reminds me of two drivers Colin Mcrea at any rally course and Mark Higgins on the the Isle of man (also known as ' the moment' ) it's well worth the watch .
That looks like a practical and easy-to-drive car.
Really cool video! Thanks for sharing this with us jimmer, very fun as always, I have been hooked to this combo since you posted the video
I love the "Trying to drive x around the Nurburgring" series!
Nice to see you enjoying a mod I could participate in (I am the author of the track skin itself). I lost my dear feline buddy today but you could help me make the day a bit better and bring a smile on my face.
Sorry to hear about your feline buddy! I've lost a few over the years and feel your pain. Awesome mod :)
6:40 Certified Broadbent moment: After saying 'masterfully avoided' and avoiding a collision with the wall, he accelerates toward an even sharper corner instead of losing just a little speed in the minimalistic straight line before, hoping to navigate the corner successfully. as he likes to say "never give up"....yes but loose a little speed my dude !
It would be so cool for WRC to do an event at a snowy nurb
The ruturn of the snowy boiiii
rebel tree has grown out of its rebellious phase
truly a sad day
i think we may need a full series of different cars and laptimes
2:32 me in my first winter of driving. Good thing I only drove 30kph and there was no other car.
Rebel tree, no! You're considered a local landmark on Google maps, you can't give in! YOU CAN'T GIVE IN!
11:23
literally me this morning.
it was snowing like crazy, im trying to stop, on the tram tracks, sliding all about.
and a mum with her son thought it was a great Idea to cross the road 😳😳😳😳
I had not stopped yet....
I would love to see F1 car trying this, maybe using wet tyres would be the key.
As always though an awesome video.
Definitely gonna have to go play with some of the rally cars on this track
Hmmm, I wonder how a Nurburgring snow race in Reliant Robins with Jardier, Bailey and co. would go down.
Project Cars 2 also has snowy Nordschleife, for those of you who don't want to mess with mods or are on console.
More of this please
A race on that mod would be cool to see
Project cars 2 had really good snow physics on the ring
I think you should give this map a try in a Toyota cellica 4wd rally version. That car is nuts on pavements. On snow probably even more fun
Jimmy: What's steering like at this speed?
Snowy Nordschleife: *Bugs Bunny meme* no
Definitely looking up for F1 cars in Snowburgring
We need more cars in this!
Sick video. Gimmie snow Jimmy Norborgering Focus RS
sim crashing is SO much cheaper than IRL crashing, heheheh. i'll have to try this version of the nordy.
WDT (world drift tour) has a winter car and track pack and it is so much fun to play with drifting in those is like super slow-mo and just stupid fun
Man, that subaru has seen some life! Only 999999 km on trip meter
3:47 porsche testdriver Willi Kauhsen took the German federal president round in the snow in the 70s in a 1000hp Porsche :D And the only car that crashed was the police car scouting the track before them
Can Am race car from 70s would be a great challenge
4:40 as the owner of a 2000 Subaru I cried
I wish you used a BMW for this, it snowed for half an hour earlier and in 5 minutes i went past 1 BMW on the verge, another in a ditch and a new X6 tail slapping about 5 or 6 times as it tried crossing lanes 😂
It is now canon that rebel tree has become conformist tree.
Well, that was fun. Future suggestions - Lambo Gallardo, Audi R8 V10, Ford GT40, Porsche 911 Turbo (any one will do for the lols), and the utimate challenge... the Hillman Avenger!!!
You should go driving on frozen lakes in Sweden, mega fun!
There is a vid of the lead instructor doing this IRL in a single seater somewhere!
I am happy when I see you enjoy making your videos. And I agree with what simracing is to you: enjoy and experiment
As a sim racing dude that smokes like a chimney, why are we all living basically the same life
I'll one up your F1 in the snow idea. High hp FWD Honda civic (with slicks if there is such a thing).
AFAIK just like TC the ABS is also bad because the friction is so low it can't work properly, and it's just better to lock the wheels and cause snow di pile up in fron of them to help the car slow down, same applies for gravel.