Benetton B186 BMW F1 Turbo 1350HP
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2013
- Gerhard Berger on a quick lap in his Benetton B186 at the Adelaide Street Cicuit in 1986.
Since it was the last race before taking effect of the boost pressure limitation it is probably the most powerful F1 car ever.
The 1500cm³ inline-four engine with up to 5.5bar (80psi) of single-turbo boost pressure revs up to 11500rpm with an estimated power of 1350HP.
There is no accurate information about the power because the BMW dyno was not able to messure the engine on full boost. 
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Wheel spin in every gear
AMENNN !!! ! !!! :-)
1350hp turbocharged without ABS and TCS. The era of brave and heroic drivers.
@@dimitris.4484 well... today, still no TCS or ABS, 950 to 1000 HP, turbo... still not bad, the only problem remaining is the sound
@@Nico-9138 I didnt know that. But nowdays F1 cars looks more stable and with better handling just imagine the improvements on cars and drivers.
@@dimitris.4484 yeah it's not the same handeling any more, these 80s cars were overteery, drifting all the time, when today's cars are more understeery and you need to be really smooth if you want to be fast, not savage like these old school drivers were
A 1.5 liter 4cyl turbo making ~1350hp...that sounds amazing today. It must have nearly been unbelievable back in 1980s.
still is today.
We will likely to see 4 cylinder back into F1 in near future in bid to save F1.
Pvulture b
Start by changing the governing regulations. F1 is losing fans by the day: I stopped watching since 2011 and now obsessed with WEC endurance racing.
Let the geniuses think of what engine, what setup & aero package to use. Just govern the basics like power & downforce limit and let the engineers go wild. Also proper racing tires (not the 'made of paper Pirellis') would also help: it is Formula 1 not 'who can last longest on 1 set of rubber'...
+Trades46 You're here to comment, and you dont even watch F1 ahahahahaha xD
THEY SHOULD USE THE 1.0 LITER 4C ENGINES AND MAYBE ON BIOETHANOL !!! ! !!!
This 4 cyl sounds way better than the new V6's!
Waaaaay better, and this BMW M12/13 had titanium valve springs rather than today's pneumatic valve-train, and it still sounds so much better.
Bujf vjg it doesn't mean anything the lotus also had pneumatic springs and still sounded glorious
maarcn can you make some sense PLEASE for FUCK sake.
I mean, WHAT THE FUCK is a PNEUMATIC SPRING? How can a spring be made of air?
Do you have any understanding of valvetrain?
Bujf vjg pneumatic valve springs are metal bellow filled with compressed air used as an alternative to the metal wire springs used to close the valves in high-speed internal combustion engines
That's a pneumatic spring
548kg car with 1350 hp output from a single turbo inline 4? This is Insane. 0.9 lbs per hp?! In comparison the output ratio of hypercars nowadays are at least 3 times that. What a monster. Absolutely mental yet brilliant at the same time! Oh how i wish i was born earlier for this.
Agreed. I wish I was around then to watch those races as well. Sometimes with my taste in cars and music I think I was born 15-20 years too late.
+BISH BASH BOSH Yes. But. A production car lasts for years, that F1 engine lasted maybe 4 hot laps then it had to be rebuilt
AMENNN !!! ! !!! :-))
the power to weight ratio is just insane mindbogling!!!! O_o
wait what over just 500kg wow!>!?!?! :O
5.5 Bar Boost. Madness.
5.4
slillyfunbum "Back in 1986, BMW used a boost of 5.5 bars (80.8 psi) in qualifying trim, for a power of 1300 bhp. A year later, in race trim, the boost was down to 3.8 bars (55.8 psi) for 900 bhp."
slillyfunbum
They also could only use full throttle in fifth and sixth gear because any gears below that would induce wheel spin. 180-200mph allowed for full throttle.
@@-Bonobo- 5.4 and 5.5 is the same madness
4 cyl, 1.5L and *80 FREAKING PSI*
I heard they were running water methanol injection. Would seem pretty impossible run that sort of manifold pressure without it.
@@ColdSmokes unless you're able to get agip or elf to make you some pretty volatile fuel
@@NismoDJ20
Seems like they were using nothing short of rocket fuel!
I read the article on this topic. I wish I was joking but I'm not.
💥🔥🔥💥🔥💯
These Turbo beasts were the most powerful engines in Formula 1 history!
1350 hp / 550 kg = 2,45 hp / 1kg ! Or 2450 hp for 1000 kg ! or again 4900 hp for 2000 kg...Totaly Awesome...
M. G. Thank you for this, always been thinking the same
I was at that event at Post 14 as a Flag Marshal. Benetton actually screwed up the boost to 1486 BHP, as Berger on his second run grenaded the engine. In 85, Piquet in the Brabham at that same event, I witnessed wheel spin in four gears, as he exited Turn 16. The BMW straight 4 was quiet compared to ear splitting V6’s from Honda, Ford , Ferrari, and Motori Modena ( Ossella & Minardi). The current V6’s in F1 are very muted today.
Thrilling unlike today. Those cars where like untamed hungry animals.
GOOD DESCRIPTION !!! ! !!! :-)
AMENNN !!! ! !!! :-)
This is an unleashed beast, you have to be a man to go full throttle with this machine.
Much respect to the drivers, awesome F1. Too bad I wasnt't born in those days.
Amennnnn !!! ! !!!
Wheelspin in 6th gear, ultra light chassis being completely overpowered by the extremely powerful engine
One of the greatest to never win a championship. Berger has been behind the wheel of just about all of my favourite cars from the 80s-90s.
This was the prettiest Benetton car ever made. Loved it.
Those cars were monsters to drive. Damn! So much HP and not enough road to use it. Those were the days! I was in college during the turbo era and was fortunate enough to witness them here in the USA. Man, it wasn't just the power, but the sound, the smell of the boutique fuels and what really impressed me were the 2-stroke dirt bike-like super fast shifts. As soon as I got close to the track it was goosebumps Heaven.
Therefore better!
1.5 Liter Turbocharged I-4 with 5.6 bar (81 psi) of boost. wildest thing ever
AMENNN !!! ! !!! :-)
Beside the Porsche 917/30 !!! :-)
This and the Honda's.... 1300+ in qualifying.... some estimates put them in the 1400 range at the higher speed tracks, but as said in description, no dyno could measure this much power accurately back in 1986.
Honda had a dyno for up to 1000 hp . They measured about 1030hp when the dyno wasn't able to follow anymore but there were , I think, 1500-2000 rpm left
Damn. These cars. Murray and Hunt. One of the very few things that makes me want to be old enough to have experienced this live.
Murray and J Hunt, fucking awesome commenter legends, then the sound of those turbo beasts
It took an incredible amount of skill and physical fitness to drive these beasts. They were completely unforgiving, the car is trying to destroy you the whole time, everything is manual, it was the pinnacle of F1 racing in my personal opinion.
Great video, I love the power of this car, to this day Berger says the 1986 turbo cars were the most exciting that he drove
Mr Gerhard Berger!
Most people noticing Berger backed off 0:54
Murray Walker realising Berger backed off: 1:09. lmao, still a legend sorely missed.
Murray is a bit annoying, James Hunt is the commenting legend.
"Down the long straight into the Bosch kurve, it was like sitting on a rocket" - Gerhard Berger, on driving the B186.
Four cylinders and sounds better than today's six.
AMENNNNNNN !!! ! !!! :-)
Anything sounds better than today's 6
@@JotaV2502 it's since we have a new power unit that you can hear wheels crying after pit stop. Never heard before
V6 is horrible
ah this was my first taste of F1 in the flesh, and this was the car that caught my eye before the Lotus and the McLaren, what a beauty
What a great track and a beast of a car. That much HP with no traction control would have been a real handful for the drivers.
I was there that year and I had never seen anything on four wheels move so fast, and so loud, it was amazing ! We lived about 6 km from the track and could here them from home on certain parts of the track.
What a show F1 was in Adelaide, great times ...
Fun fact: The block of this engine is a stock BMW M10 iron cast block, used already in BMW's 02-series out of the late 60's, which made just 75hp with the 1.5 liter configuration...
So much power that first lap he was spinning those wheels!
2:02 almost makes a wheelie. That's power..
Incredible motor
The most powerful F1 car ever - Benetton B196 and a great driver🏎️✈️🚀🏁🇦🇹🇨🇿
B 186
Respect the greatest F1 commentator ever..
Watching this … then realised I’m sat currently 500 metres from this street circuit!!!
I was lucky enough to see these at Brands Hatch and to see the Brabham BMW driven at most of the corners and straight there was sensational, the grunt these cars had were like no others I have seen also the Ferrari 126 C spin right in front of me with Stefan Johanssen driving he exited the corner uphill onto the straight at the back of Brands and one of the rear wheels hit a damp patch he had a tank slapper and luckily didn’t hit anything and just spun onto the grass just below me ! The Tyrell of Stefan Belloff I saw at Silverstone in the rain he was the only driver to come out of the pits and treated us to more like a rally car style technique than F1 opposite locking his way around at some amazing angles wheel spinning down the start finish straight in what I later found out was fourth gear !! And the straight was virtually dry by this time as more and more cars came out drying up the racing line . I shall never forget that era .
The irony is that this engine is still the most powerful F1 engine ever made. To make it even worse, the most powerful F1 engine of all time was based on a used stock engine block.
I'm sure that BMW could have built a more competitive engine, but chose to go this route for "street cred"
These extra qualifying engines with far over 1000hp weren´t based on a used stock block. That story goes back to BMW early attempts to build a Formula 1 engine. The secret of the power is a huge turbo and a higly toxic fuel with 102 octane to prevent knocking.
@@helgelippert1970querosene from jet planes, i think
@@pedrostrik No, the fuel was mixed with Toloul. Toloul acts like a knocking brake, but do not increase the octan number that was limited to 102. I corrected that in my earlier post. BMW had experience with this type of fuel since WWII. They used the same kind of fuel for aircraft engines.
Honda for example used a mixture up to 84% Toloul for their fuel. The density also increased to 0.840 kg per Liter. That is on the same level of diesel.
@@helgelippert1970 the fuel was mainly toluene, mixed to bring down the octane number to be in FIA spec, I even have some spec sheets of the fuel used.
Yeah, the M12/13 block specific to the racing engines, but almost identical to the M10 block. The cylinder heads of the racing engines fit the stock blocks... The modifications were needed to accommodate racing cooling and oiling requirements plus the switch to gear driven timing.
The blocks were actually used in F2, F3, IMSA, saloon racing, not just F1. Compare that to the rest of the engines on the grid... It is probably the closest thing in F1 to a normal engine as you can get, ever!
4 bangers ftw!
That thing looks essentially impossible to drive. When that boost hits must feel like the mighty shove of God.
Looks like a real handful to drive
I spoke to Nelson Piquet about driving these cars. He said “the tach was useless. You drive by feel. When your head snaps forward from the rev-limiter, you grab the next gear. You ‘row’ through the gearbox about as fast as you can move your hands.” The era of the ‘best driver.’ Courage and talent made you a winner, not team.
For me the real innovation in f1 is this. Unbelievable 1350 hp by a 4 cylinder even if it's overpowered.
I remember these days so well at Brands Hatch in 83, 85 & 86 - seems to long ago at the end of 2023!
I love this sound,the old f1 always better than the modern
Cant compare to 2014 turbo cars, the 86 engines were tuned to last one lap then the engine was ruined. In 2014 they can only use 5 engines in the whole season, and they are limited on boost pressure
Hjembrent Kent
Yes mate you don´t compare these cars between the moderns but the 2014 F1 engines have much limit,i love the engines without limit
SupercarsGT Same i love the 80 turbos, but the new cars are quick enough. They have much more power than the v8
Hjembrent Kent
Yes maybe have much power but i remember the F1 od 80s have a 900 - 1000 HP and even the BMW engine have a 1300 HP
SupercarsGT They were more powerful yes but they used manual grearbox so the total acceleration would be the same, and the ERS gives it big torque from 0 rpm xD
Gorgeous car!! ❤
it would be such an experience. i hope one day they will
That. Looks like fun.
That's what a real F1 car looks like and sounds 👌
this was huge, a race car engine that started in an entry level commuter.
What a beast
just insane!!
That car had a demon for an engine.👹
Press "2" over and over for that beautiful powerslide!!!
You only get like four or five laps at full tilt, but _what_ laps they are...
El auto se veia nervioso con esos HP. increible piloto controlando todo manual. que bella epoca.
Beasts!
the sound can tell the power
yes/no. paul rosche of bmw, who developped the inline-4, actually mentions the "above 1400hp" figure, at least for a set of qualifying laps, claiming in german language that "power was actually limitless,depending on boost".
And there's a legend, probably true,that they built this engine on a stock BMW 4 cilinder block.cause they had a huge amount.
@@massimilianocampana3951 that's no legend, they actually used stock used blocks that had at least 60k miles/100k kilometres on them.
That's the irony of it! Everyone in F1 had bespoke racing engines at the time and BMW was using an engine block from their street cars
@@Buzdu22 that's amazing
I'd like to see these engines back in F1. Maybe a 1 liter to 1.3 liter turbo inline 4. I think they might sound better than the current V6's. Use F1 as a test bed for smaller inline 4 turbo engines so that the filter down to road cars to make road cars more fuel efficient.
Pauls Masterpiece that engine👍👍 RIP
Hey my 1.5 liter 4 Cylinder has 65HP :D
5% of what they make💀
Jeez..... That's literally a 1350hp go cart. Just unbelievable 😳
Toyota and Toyota-backed group C teams were particularly noted for pushing I4 engines to produce up to 900HP on occasion, but they never actually raced them.
A besta indomável do asfalto dos anos 80 a besta da benetton
I suspect many ppl are not aware - the BMW engine, putting out 1350hp in qualifying mode, was based on an 80hp (eighty horsepower) BMW road car engine that was first produced in 1961.
They took a decades-old engine block designed for a (poorly-performing) compact car and *_leaned on it_* so hard, no turbo 4-cylinder even today (2023) comes close. It was 1980s turbo technology. It was an early 1960s engine block. Germans are clever people. Fantastic engineers.
*"The BMW M12/13 turbo was a 1499.8 cc 4-cylinder turbocharged Formula One engine, based on the standard BMW M10 engine introduced in 1961"*
See "BMW M12" on wiki.
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And some people claim that that engine was designed by Borgward in Bremen
Just imagine How hard It IS to drive that Monster
Remember watching on tv they were the real turbo days
Peak F1, 1980s into early 90s
Really wish this car/engine is restored so we can hear it in goodwood :P
AMENNN !!! ! !!! :-)
Kopronko it was at goodwood
BMW: so how much boost do
You want your new engine to run at
Benetton/Brabham: Yes
2,463 hp/tonne 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
To put that in to perspective
Ferrari f2005 1,487 hp/tonne in 2005 which is 20 years later
100% Toluene in the tank, wastegate port bolted shut, boost at 90 PSI. Yup, its qualifying time
I would love to see modern F1 cars with a true manual gearbox. No paddle shifting. Want to be the best driver? Tame the beast.
Why am I just only getting this recommended 10 years later!?!?!?
...because the algorythm is low on boost...😂
@@attilabori4734 yea
@attilabori4734 and its algorithm
You could say, it's power to weight ratio wasn't too bad.
0:33 oh my god !!!!
Violent.
Look at the smoke coming out of the engine....trimmed to the absolutely limit. A couple more laps like that and it would explode
How can these engines last with that much power? Incredible! German engineers :P
They didnt... they managed one qualifying run with the turbo boost set this high before they'd have to change engines. In race spec they ran about half this power.
They didn't last, they were only good for a couple laps in qualifying. For the race they had a different engine, tuned down to 800-900hp, according to estimates at the time.
R. elentless they ran about 1k bhp in race trim, about 250-320hp off qualification power.
The power of these engines was never accurately measured so the figures given are estimates based on the speed of the cars. Road and Track magazine "tested" a Benneton B196 in 1987 and gave race HP at 900hp and qualifying power at 1100hp. 1100hp is the lowest I've seen, 1750hp is the highest, it seems that as time passes the estimate gets higher for dramatic effect...I don't believe 1750 at all...
crusherbmx No the given measurement for the BMW M12/13 was put on a 1300hp dyno and it went off the chart, hence 1300hp+.
If you want I'll have a look and try and find the Paul Rosche article where he states this....
Somewhere in the 90s-2000s, you can draw a line. Statistics may be comparable or better, but those drivers…they are not the same. Lewis, Max, Charles, or Mick even couldn’t go one turn in older cars, you know it I know it.
4 Cylinder Engines Should Return To Formula One
No
Isso sim era F1.
fastest F1 car in history, would blow the shit out of these quiet boring things today
1350 HP out of 1.5 liters is a specific power of 900 HP per liter! 👊
Real f1 : miss it - watching Senna arrive at east tce corner flat out up the hill was epic.
No way would Hamilton be able to handle one of those!
David Platt Probably still do better than you.
@ David : Amennn !!! ! !!! :-)
None of today's drivers could handle those cars in a qualifying or race session. They would either just crash or blow the engine.
@@pespodsp😂jaja dales un poco de tiempo y te los manejan sin problemas....no me hagas reir niño...son pilotos de F1...date cuenta!! Te pensas que son como vos para manejar
@@pespodspWait till you hear about DU DU DU DU MAX VERSTAPPEN
the truth is that for sure the didn't use full power of the engine on race days...but there were a lot o horses into those machines!
Now days cars drives like a train. 😢 That Benetton was all the time in its limits. 🎉
Imagine this engine in todays cars. That would be wicked
Wicket?
@@e28forever30 Wicked, the iPhone makes up its own mind on what to post.
ベルガー最高！
Someone please pay Murray Walker to keep it shut and just let us enjoy the engine sound
It's surprising how nervous the car is compared to today's cars. Looks much harder to drive.
Hence why the racing was so much more exciting!
Nowadays everything about f1 sucks
more videos please!!!
o cara não calou a porr da boca pra escutar o ronco do motor
Equivalent to 7 litre NA 18000 rpm
(Jakarta)
Le formula 1 di oggi fanno ridere.....la tecnologia ha ucciso un bellissimo sport
Qui si che era il pilota che guidava la macchina non il contrario
Hai pienamente ragione, guarda con che difficoltà Berger effettua le accelerazioni in uscita dalla curva roba d' altri tempi
Beh controlla tutto l elettronica.....contenti loro...
Hai ragione e non parliamo che si fai qualcosa ti penalizzano.
Why do modern 6 cyl turbo f1 sound so bad, but this 4 cyl turbo from the 80s sounds incredible???!!! Wtf
0:29 the sound of 1350 horsepower
1984 brabham bmw Nelson Piquet 1400 hp quali spec !
That thing has 2236 hp per ton (2000 lbs).
Superfast.
Only word to describe this car:
Twitchy