What about the "Grump"? The one that is always pissed off and always acts like its taking days off his life to show you firearms you are interested in.
I once went to this gun store with my dad and they seemed to have guns you’ve seen in Call of Duty, I saw a Barrett .50cal for about $10,000 and we were told by a guy at Dick’s they had a certain rifle and this one middle-aged to old guy told us down like we were full of shit that they didn’t have it. Just very rude. Sometimes it seems lots of people in the gun world have varying levels of cockiness.
But the thing about the grump. He is just naturally a grump, he'll be the grump regardless of where he works. Especially Walmart where you'll always see him. So the thing to do here is ask for another salesman and don't worry if you hurt his feelings doing it.
Don't forget about the alarmist. My wife wanted her first gun to be a 9mm. Guy at the counter said she wants something bigger and suggested a rifle firing a larger round in case shes attacked by 5 or 6 well trained ex military invading our home. I didn't realize we were at risk of having our shit kicked in by seal team six.
I get what you're saying, but in a home defense scenario, especially where concealment isn't an issue, I'd much rather have an AR-15 on the shorter side with 30 round mags over any handgun. Or, a high capacity 12ga shotgun. But, that's just me...and a lot of other people, too, I'd suspect...
Not necessarily the owner. Someone who really wants to help a person buy their first of 100th gun. Doesn't have all the answers, but isn't afraid to find the answer among his colleagues.
As a relative noob, it’s really nice when I meet a salesperson who is genuinely helpful and listens. A few times I could tell the salesman felt I was beneath notice and obviously not a “real” gun person. Usually, an old codger type. Having said that, one of the most helpful and friendly ever was an old codger type who seemed genuinely happy that someone was interspersed in getting into guns and helped me enormously.
At 73 years old I kinda like my SIG P250. Fortunately, as a follower of your channel, I believe you've expanded your world view in the last seven and a half years. In fact, you reminded me of a great Mark Twain quote: "When I was 14 years old my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to be around him. By the time I was 21 I was astounded by how much the old man had learned in seven years". You're doing fine, Colion-keep it up.
There’s a small gun store near my home that I always go to. Unlike other gun stores they make casual conversation with me about unrelated topics while asking if there are any guns in the case I want to handle. Just for that I buy all my guns from them, including some I don’t even need because they made me feel like a valued customer.
PSA can be a bit friendly when you don't catch them with a line, you just ask about a gun, and next thing you know its in your hands when you just wanted to know WTF it was.
And then there's number 6: the Guru. This dude is usually middle aged or older, typically the store owner or at least the manager, he's been using and selling guns for decades, he's seen it all: he knows all the different brands' advantages and the history behind each new line of firearm. He's so experienced that he's made every mistake you can make already, so if he has to knock your choice of gun or take your opinion down a peg, he does so with a personal story of his experience with that gun, through which his undeniable love for all guns, even the crappier ones, shines brightly. Sadly these kings among men are rare.
UberJamesMan true. I've got 15 guns in my bag, so a customer can see that I'm not talking outta my backside. If I ain't got it, I've shot it. My goal for a new prospective gun owner is to match their needs up with an ideal gun suited for the task they have in mind for it - knowing that the need might eventually evolve as their understanding of their situation relating to that firearm changes. Like everyone else, I have guns that I like, but if you want to be of value to your customer, tailor your presentation to their needs.
I’m not quite this. But kind of like this. Owned and shot a lot of different models and makes, been into guns since I turned 25(was interested in them earlier but living with Parents who said no guns at the time), so for 13 years of shooting experience . Numbers of guns owned over the years: 17 shotguns, 19 handguns, 11 rifles. Plus guns owned by friends and family I have shot: many.
The practical veteran. I was infantry for 8 years in the US Army and whenever I talk to someone about guns, note that I'm NOT a gun salesman, I ask the same two questions I asked when I was a knife salesman or when someone wants me to build them a computer. 1) What is your budget??? 2) What do you want it to do??? If your MAXIMUM budget is $600, you're not going to get an HK USP Compact .45cal. You can get a CZ-75 or a Rock island Armory 1911, but not much more in terms of full size guns. For guns, there's a 3rd question. 3) What is your level of experience/physical capabilities??? That 3rd one is for those who are brand new to guns, have medical conditions in their hands, small in size, etc. For these people, I kinda point them towards 9mm and 380's. Why??? Lower cost, less strain on the body, larger selection of firearms/brands to choose from, etc.
Recently I bought a Savage AR-15, everything went great though the process. This older guy helped me out and was super friendly. The rifle said multi cal so it would shoot 556 or 223. The next morning I took it out to the desert to shoot 556 through it. It wouldn’t shoot at all. I sat there and read the owners manual again, read online and after 3-4 times of trying I finally gave up and resolved to return it. I went back to the store and told them I didn’t think it had a firing pin. The guy was a jerk and told me that it was HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely. He went to the back, sure enough it actually had a firing pin. So I told him it’s not shooting. So he went back to test it on paper and it wouldn’t puncture paper so he told me that they have to no return policy and that I would have to ship it to Savage at my own cost. I was mad but I had no other choice so paid for it to be shipped back to Savage for repair. He told me he has no time frame of when it will come back and if I called for updates it would just piss him off. I left the store pretty upset. After talking to some close friends I decide that I’m gonna just take it to a gunsmith locally and have them fix it. I call the store and tell them I’m coming in later to pick it up and the guy happened to look on the box and it shot .224 Valkyrie! I went back in and come to find out they accidentally sold me a gun that was $400 more so they tried to get me to trade it back in. I told them, remember you don’t have a return policy.
That's the problem with entry level positions in gun stores and big box stores such as Bass Pro shop and Cabela's. Unfortunately you never know who you'll get. Usually at the mom and pop gun store/range that I have been going to for 20+ years the owner/ management knows I won't tolerate stupidity. Either I get to hand pick who I want, (I'm more than happy to wait my turn), or I won't be spending any money that day. Usually the owner elects to wait on me when I walk in as a courtesy. I have spent thousands in that store over the years in guns and ammo, and I believe I deserve that treatment. Plus, he doesn't hire just anyone off the street usually, he pretty much figures out that new person while he/she is still a probationary employee. Do I pay more for that privilege? Sometimes I'm sure I do. But do I get exactly what I want when I want it? Yes you're damn right. And the reality is, It's people like me that help to keep his doors open and keep his employees employed. It's a "Yin&Yang" thing. Something you'll never get at any "Big Box", especially buying ammo at Walmarts.
Reel-Lentless I don’t really get what your angle is here? Why would I make up a lie? I guess I don’t really understand why you would waste negative energy on trying to somehow discount an experiment I had? Say whatever you want, I was just sharing what happened to me bud. Go on and waste someone else’s time.
@Reel-Lentless That's why it WILL chamber, but loosely. The .223 and the 5.56 are 4 mm longer than the slightly wider .224 Valkyrie, and not the other way around (which would prevent it from chambering).
I'm 66 yrs. old and I believe that the best gun is the one that you are comfortable with. Knowledge and experience will lead you to the correct choice. Let the force be with you.
Because stores don't train anything beyond the basics or hire people with some kind of experience in the department they're interviewing to work in. The days of truly knowledgeable people in their trade are all but gone, though there are a select few that are worthwhile but they are far and few in between.
Halbrooks carving and guns in Fontana California. Smart man and wife. They know reloading and will offer advice if you ask. And when you admire the game he has shot and had mounted, you made a friend. He will even tell you you exactly where the game was harvested and wether or not you need a guide. He also doesn't like to sell you a product which might not work in your pistol. He will, but he wants you to be sure first.
I’m a new gun owner and the ones that I encounter is once they find out that I know absolutely nothing about guns they will leave me standing on the floor to assist someone who already knows about guns. Happened a couple of times.
Patrick Angel thank you it has gotten better and like you said I met a range partner there. It’s all good had my S&W MP Shield Ez for a little over a year and I absolutely love it!!
Yeah, they just want to talk about guns to other gun dudes. I try talking to the people who have that glassed over look. I'm not a 'commando' by any stretch, but I know a decent amount. Plus I know what it's like to be a beginner. I can usually answer those beginner questions really well.
I've noticed that too. I don't even like talking about guns and prices to people because of the ridiculousness I've encountered just discussing it online and with friends and whatnot, but it seems like a lot of the shops I go into either just kinda ignore me or treat me like I don't belong in there or some shit.
I'm not a new gun owner by any stretch of the imagination and I've had that happen to me. Maybe I don't look like I can afford a $2k rifle, but I was ready to walk out the door with it. Might happen to me less than a first time buyer, but it happens. I just don't go back to those places.
I was a new gun owner in March. And it wasn't because of corona or idiots rioting and looting, but of course that's when i had money and decided I'm not young enough to think I'm invincible anymore lol when i decided to buy a gun from an actual gun store that only sells guns (nw armory) they acted like i was such a huge burden on their time. Literally the girl ringing me up ignored my question! Pissed me off and i asked why she's ignoring me and she finally answered my question in the worst way possible while ignoring my question "why are you ignoring me" lol Last couple weeks I've been going to sportsmans warehouse, and damn they are way better so far and two of the guys that helped me i could tell knew their stuff, turns out one is in the national guard and the other was a marine. One guy was kind of a putz though and seemed overwhelmed. But overall they've been pretty cool to me and helpful with me learning about what i want.
I walked into a LGS I never go to. Asked if they had any irons, their exact response was "Only the expensive ones". Walked right out to my usual store and ordered a set of DD irons. Some people
@@raphaelcurup5856 Sales folks often miss an opportunity by talking. There is a LGS near UT Austin. By rep, they were a great business in the 70s/80s, but they were always, always pricks to me. I didn't look like a punk, but their average customer was 65 and on death's door. Never have or will buy a gun from them. Today, I make it a point to be extra gracious, but it does make my day when management comes jogging in to say hello. Those are the days I buy heavy crap I don't need, just so I don't have to carry it out to the parking lot.
When I was around 20 I went into a local store looking to buy a 20ga silver pigeon and as the guy handed me the gun he said "you are going to have to flip a lot of burgers at McDonald's to pay for that.". Took a look at the gun and the price tag then as I handed it back to him I said that it's one weeks paycheck and I will buy it down the street instead.
Peyton Inge A good gun store makes sure you look at what you want & maybe throw in a couple options helping you get the gun you want. Happy customer is a repeat customer. They stay with from start to you buy or sometimes you want to think about it. But good service counts.
YES!!! Commented about one of those guys above. I was looking at a Ruger Precision for about 1700 bucks, and was considering taking it home, but the guy scoffed "That's 1700 bucks" an walked away to talk to some flashy dressed noob window shopping the 300 dollar pistols. Closest and "nicest" gun store in the area - never went back after being treated like that. $10 dollar / hour employee acting like a software engineer "can't afford" a rifle that was the sole focus of my attention that day. Fuck those guys, and fuck any store that tolerates employees acting like that.
I work at a small shop and when someone comes in looking for their first gun I consider it an honor to assist them. I ask 3 questions. 1. What will you be using the firearm for. 2. Have you shot a firearm before. 3. What is your price range. I show them every thing we have that fits within their criteria. I never let them hold just one gun and let them say "yeah this is ok" I do not push my favorite brand CZ by the way, I point out the features show them how to hold the firearm properly and try to instill basic firearm safety. I want my patrons to feel comfortable with their purchase because they decided it was right and not what I tried to upsell them.
Good job Thank you for being a good person. Your customers will appreciate that . And when you treat people good you have a loyal customer. I know thanks again
You missed the know it all that doesn't "know it all"... Had one tell me that I couldn't convert my glock 22 into a 357 sig. He said that it only converts over to the 9mm then called me a liar when I told him that all I had to do was buy the 357 sig barrel for the conversion. Long story short I returned to the store the next day with the 357 sig barrel in the glock 22 and proved him wrong. He took it to see if it worked then apologized lol was awesome
I bought a gun at a privately owned store in Kansas. I enjoyed every minute being there. The people were friendly and my sales guy was so helpful and explained everything. I had a very positive experience and lots of fun.
How about the "DICK" The guy that gets frustrated with you and talks down on you because you want ask a few questions about a few different guns. I've seen it happen the guy took a deep breathe exhaled with frustration put his hands on his hips looked at me rolled his eyes the customer asked a question he ignorantly gave a 1 word answer. It really chaps my ass when I see that shit.
I get that alot from the people at my gun shops..they automatically jump to conclusions because I'm younger and a minority. I know I can hold my own with shooting and working on my own firearms with the best of them.
Thomas Jefferson All the gun stores around my area is like this. Ask them one simple question and they think your a dumb ass off the street. I will NEVER buy a gun from one of these people. Don't care what the price is.
I went into a local gun store here in NH. 2 guys working the shop; one young guy- know-it-all and an old fart. Those 2 nit-wits I'd say have ALL the characteristics you speak of. I did my home work and got me Smitty SD9 and couldn't be happier. But- no thanks to Those 2 nit-wits...
You left out "the A-hole" The guy that knows everything. He is superior to everyone that has ever picked up a gun. Talks down to customers and walks around with his chest puffed out. I have seen these types in 60% of the shops I go in.
Desert Eagle This is the most common personality type that I have seen at any gun shop. They are continually looking for a way to try to make you feel stupid and feel that they are Gods gift to guns... This is why I won’t go to most gun shops.
@@jimhoover7345 buying one there for my girlfriend wasnt the worst experience I ever had but way up there. Looked at us like criminals the whole time. I was there just for her to reference on what to get. She filled out her form and paid the cash because it was hers. I could tell the dude thought she was buying the pistol for her convict boyfriend or something. Very awkward at the least. Made me wanna buy another gun I dont need just to tell him to suck it. I just bit my tounge because she was getting a steal on a Shield and didnt wanna throw a wrench in the situation. Will think twice before buying from them again.
i overheard a conversation in a store once where a customer came in to look at a Hi-Point and the young know it all snob employee told him "dont buy that POS, it is crap, spend the money for a Glock". I listened for a few minutes and had to speak up. I told the kid that the Hi-Point guns fit a certain demographic and are there to fill that need. I actually own one along with many many others and found it to be reliable, although a bit heavy for my taste, but very affordable gun. he laughed and asked why i wasted my money. i told him i didnt waste my money, it was a good deal and i wanted to form my own opinion about them. he then went back to the old save-your-money-and-buy-a-Glock BS. I said let me ask one simple question, "if a single mom with 2 kids on a very limited income had managed to save $200 to buy a gun to protect herself and her kids, would you advise her to buy a Hi-Point or would you tell her dont buy anything until you have saved up $600-$650 for a Glock?" he said he would tell her to save her money and not buy that trash but wait till she could get a Glock. I told him, "this is why everyone hates fanboys, your minds are little and cannot learn, you would send this mom home without family protection for God knows how long because she may work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet and $200 may be all she can come up with. I would gladly sell her a Hi-Point to possibly save herself or her kids from some human fecal specimen, you need to get out of the gun-selling business and advice business because you are a dumbass who isnt smart enough or qualified enough to teach a 6 yr old how to tie a shoe." damn i hate fanboys of any type!
A cheap gun can always be sold later 🤷♂️ Or maybe she gets it...gains confidence...trains with it...finds a hidden talent/passion...starts a Ladies Self Defense class...it becomes successful enough for it to be a business...she then can support herself and her kids and be her own boss...later she can afford that custom Gucci Glock and since she has experience knows exactly what she wants. She then either trades in that little Hi Point...holds on to it for sentimental reasons, trains her kids on it...or maybe gives it to someone taking her class who is a broke single mom like she was 🤷♂️
@@MiguellaGorilla wow, you really took my comment and ran with it. Nice detailed possibility. I agree with everything except the Gucci Glock part. I don't think changing the trigger, grips, sights, and sometimes the barrel on a new Glock would be considered Gucci. I think changing all of those are pretty much standard for everyone buying a new Glock. At least in my experience with my Glock friends, it is standard.
I picked up an H&K handgun at a show and the guy said "we have some guns more suitable for beginners." (a fair judgement for me since I look very young.) He didn't know I've graduated from American Gunsmithing Institute and have visited the H&K headquarters inn Germany
It's ironic that now dealerships (good ones at least!) are some of the best training grounds for salespeople. I worked at two different dealerships for around a year and am absolutely a better salesman but also a better customer because of it!
I grew up shooting with my father and uncle. First Gun was a leaver action 22 and slowly became comfortable with large calibers (223, 308 etc).I walked into a gun store for my first gun. I asked for a Remongton 700 because it's simple and familiar. guy gave me a short barell and I asked for a long barrel. Says to me "Kid if you want to shoot long range stick to Call of Duty." needless to say I was turned off by this attitude and left. Ended up going somewhere else more encouraging and got my 308 SPS. Some shops man really try to put you down
Another AGI grad here man, I work at a gun shop in sales and gunsmithing nd I personally always try to find the gun they are comfortable with first then go from there above brands and such and always try to get them to hold a few guns before I sell anything unless they are hell bent on a particular one
Good info Colion. I've been doing this for over 50 years. The best thing I can recommend is that a perspective gun buyer go to a store that has a live fire range. If you look, you can find them. There are 4 within a 25 mile radius of my home. But in any case go to the store and try out the guns that you may be interested in. Get some seat time with them. If there aren't any of these facilities around you, hire a qualified instructor. Gun salesmen are in it to make money. Instructors are usually a lot more interested in helping you. Do some leg work and be aggressive and you'll make out fine. Remember, firearm preference is a very personal matter. TAKE YOUR TIME.
Absolutely. Sometimes I go in knowing exactly what I want and have to wait until they stop talking amongst each other and have to be forced to do their job. I may ask to hold a couple of guns and they act like I’m creating such a burden for their lives.
My first time buying a gun was great, I didn't know what I was looking for in terms of home defense, the sales man then asked me questions, like: what would you say your comfort level is with a kick back in hand your hand or on the shoulder? Have you ever shot a gun? What kind of budget are you looking at? He basically asked me questions and arrived at several different brands and models. Unfortunately the store did not sell any of what he recommended except 1 but recommended that I go to another store that was not with in their chain and look at the other recommended guns. That was something I appreciated.
@@flintymcduff5417 why not? You knew what he meant and to someone unfamiliar with guns that might make more sense than the word recoil, which normally used to mean shy away
Now that I'm retired from DoD, I work in a gun store to keep busy and supplement my retirement income. I may be fooling myself, but I like to think I try to help each customer find the gun that's right for them. I own, use, and most importantly appreciate many different types of guns: 1911s; Glocks and other polymer-framed striker-fired guns; CZ; double-action and single-action revolvers; ARs and other 'tactical' type rifles; pistol-caliber carbines; defensive-type shotguns; and long-range precision rifles. I admit that I'm not an expert on sporting shotguns like over-and-unders, and am not as expert as I could be on all sporting (i.e. hunting) cartridges. While I admit a preference for higher-end guns, I appreciate affordable and functional firearms (love the Ruger American rifles and most other Ruger products). I do try to steer customers away from the extreme low end, especially the cheaper 1911s and off-brands which have a poor reputation, and especially the very cheap Chinese-made optics. If after talking with the customer I feel that the best choice for them may be something we don't carry or don't have in stock, I will let them know that. I want that customer to have something that suits their needs, and that they'll be happy with.
William Waddell If they think they need a gun for self defense... don’t steer them away from owning a firearm... a gun that might work 80% of the time is 100% better than none at all!!! They can always upgrade later!!!
Yeah man that's just good salesmanship. Be honest, moral, and admit when you aren't sure about something but do your best to find out for them or the next guy. Not gonna lie I used to work at a walmart in electronics and I would tell parents trying to buy video games to head across the street to the gamestop. The prices are halved of what Wal-Mart asks and for parents trying to buy gifts around the holidays every cent counts. I don't feel any shame in this, I was helping people and if Wal-Mart wanted to make sales maybe they shouldn't charge ridiculous prices banking on uninformed & hardworking people who want to make their kids happy.
@@stevenbacon-cheddar9914 I am a shit salesman 100% and I don't feel any shame about that. I am better at helping people solve real problems in real ways, not throwing their money at pointless bullshit that will only set them back. The way I saw it is if I could minimize their expenditure or at least give them more bang for their buck, it was a good day. Working at walmart made me feel sick every day I was alive. All it made me want to do was help people become more independent and self reliant.
+Joeyal123 And the moral of the story/video/free market is JUST SELL THE CUSTOMER WHAT THEY WANT, THAT YOU FUCKING OFFER. Did you ever want a long gun by the way?
You forgot my favorite the ‘gun encyclopedia’ he knows everything about every gun in their store and guns that aren’t there and can point out ones you don’t know even exist and it’s all accurate with minimal biased or reserved biased opinion.
MOST guys behind the counter dont know that much about guns, MOST cops/military/peoples friends dont either. Always ask the silent dude rolling his eyes If you want the real scoop.
Not always true. Yes, I know some cops and military people who aren't even that interested in guns so all they know is what they learned in basic training. But the eye rolling guy is not always an expert either, some of those guys have rolled their eyes when I was talking and I gave them an opportunity to correct what they thought was inaccurate and they had nothing. Just wanted to act superior but then they looked scared once someone asked them to speak up. Main thing is some people are VERY knowledgeable on guns and you would never know it (middle aged woman pulling up in a minivan) and then some commandos don't know shit.
im going to gunsmithing school in AZ and as a Marine i was blown away by how much information, different types of systems and methods there were for firing a weapon and making them too
I'm to the point of only making on-line purchases for this reason. I'd love to shop local, but I've been to the local shops. One guy tries to tell me charter arms revolvers are better than smith and wesson, next place, a guy gives me a paper quote that's 100 over what bud's lists it for. Next place tries to sell me on an ammo brand I don't want, next place tries to sell me a taurus 9mm magazine for 53$. I get it that the major retailers are killing the small businesses, but damnit! In a lot of ways they're killing themselves with all the bs.
1) first rule is Comfortable in your Hands. I don't go beyond that point. Everything could be awesome but if it's not Comfortable it's not any good to you
@TCB it actually is a very important factor in choosing. By your response you sound like a gun snob who buys guns to try and look cool if you even own a gun that is.
@TCB I never said you dont need to consider the reliability and able to perform the task did I? I said it being comfortable in your had is an important factor because it is. If a gun does not feel good in your hands you wont shoot as well and that makes it kinda difficult to perform the task you need it to so yea it's pretty important. When you just say fuck being comfortable to that guys comment you make yourself out to sound like a ass.
@TCB you are an idiot if the gun is not comfortable in your hand you wont get a proper grip because you are going to want to keep re positioning your hand I mean come on you cant be this stupid. And I dont believe for a second you dont take that into consideration like you go into a shop find a good gun that's reliable but feels like shit in your hand but you say fuck I will get it who does that shit if you do than you are an idiot plain and simple. Now goodbye Mr. Gun snob have a good life bud.
If you will rarely if ever train then go with comfort. If you plan on training like you should with lots of time spent drawing and dry firing, you'll get used to it. And it's worth it to get the most reliable weapon. Reliability first.
Vlad Piranha still better than the airsoft freaks go to gun shops and call all the "real weapons" real steal and Bitch about the lack of airsoft guns. I shit you not one time I was listening to this cat tell me about his custom AR that he spent almost 1009 dollars just in after markets (he really said that) then he said 2 things I'll never forget. First being "bro you wanna check it out?? It isn't one of those pussy electric Guns. Mine has gas and shoots like a real one. WTF BRO?? Then when I was showing him my real AR bad this little fudge packin dick warmer said "ya I prefer mine cause it's like tan and shit. Kill me
Bill Burr has a funny stand up bit about a gun store strip he made. I think it was more of the "Commando" type. He wanted something for home defense and the guy was pushing a shotgun on him. He said, "You don't even have to aim this puppy, just point at where ever the bad guy is and BOOM! Problem solved!" Burr said, "We'll I'm really not looking to do any drywall work, just something practical."
Blake Wrobbel go with the most powerful round known to mankind: 22 rat shot. That will take care of any problem that walks through your door. Just make sure there’s nothing you don’t want to destroy behind it. I hear you can take out entire city blocks with it.
Joe Biden made the same comment in 2008 in regards to a gun for women for self defense... "You don't need to aim it... Just firing it will scare away a criminal "...
taking my girlfriend to the range for the first time.... Teaching her about gun safety then the mechanics of my Glock. Show her how to load a mag, press check, rack the slide etc..... Enter gun shop commando. Gun shop commando- That is incorrect never use the slide catch to release the slide always rack it Me- I was taught that it was a slide release and could be utilized or you could rack Commando- You are wrong and are teaching your girlfriend bad habits, the Glock is a combat weapon and should be taught by someone with combat experience like me, never use the slide catch it wears out your gun. Me- umm ok I really appreciate your input however I'm not too worried about damaging the "slide catch" as I can afford to fix it and since other pistols have "slide releases" I would like to teach her how to use them so she has a more broad knowledge Cammando- Im sure you mean no harm but you need to learn more about the Glock platform as it is a serious combat weapon.... are you the type of guy that carries with no round in the chamber as well? Me- I keep it under my bed I carry very rarely Commando- well you have a lot to learn if you have any questions feel free to ask and I would be happy to show your girlfriend how to operate a pistol correctly if she would like Very uncomfortable situation that I feel did very little to teach myself or my girlfriend anything and was more centered on stroking his ego and hitting on my girl in a very strange way. I didn't mention to him when he said "combat experience" that I am a vet and have served over 2 1/2 years in Iraq but I feel now that I should have. This was only one of many weird and uncomfortable experiences we have had at this store and they always seem to be much worse when I bring my girlfriend with me. I will post later about our experience of buying her first gun.
How freakin annoying is that clown?! It sounds like it wasn't a genuine attempt at being helpful, but an opportunity to belittle you in front of your girlfriend. "Look at me! I'm billy badass! Ol' Joe combat here.... (Doubtful)
***** Yea. Any chance a guy like that can get to make you look bad...he'll take it. I think it's more they just want to look good in front of a pretty girl. When I bring my wife to the range you should see all the advice and help she gets. Just practice the "Nod and Smile" accompanied with the " Yea, OK, I didn't know that" be the bigger man...it's all good
Replace gun with any significant purchase. These personality types are ubiquitous in a retail setting. I like how Colin emphasized that it’s a process and that you’re dealing with people.
Yup, I ordered my first gun at Sportmans warehouse online, the staff was very professional when i picked it up , answered all my questions (that I was embarrassed to ask the local gun shop workers because they talked to me like an idiot).
I went to a store in Lawrenceville, GA yesterday to purchase two guns; a rifle and a pistol. The pistol was a .50AE desert eagle that my girlfriend wanted after shooting mine a several times. I am former military and have been an avid shooter since I was 5, I know my guns. The guy behind the counter was the biggest douche I have ever met. He proceeded to passive-aggressively bash the living hell out of both of us for even considering this pistol, acted as if I knew nothing about my own gun, and generally behaved as if he was god's gift to both firearms and women. I reluctantly bought it for her only because it was the only IWI DE I could find without having to drive halfway across the state. After the background check was approved I casually informed him and the owner that I was the guy who had also called in earlier that day requesting that the Barrett M107 and a Leopold mark 4 be put on hold for purchase and that this asshole was the reason that their Barrett will probably stay on the shelf for a while longer. To all gun industry employees out there, the moral is don't be a dick because you never know when someone is going to come in ready to drop a decent chunk of cash in your lap.
I don't get commission, so I get paid whether you buy something or not, with that being said I'm generally more than happy to help anyone that doesn't treat me like an idiot teen/personal slave.
Dennis Romero Jr. "Dealing with the public" has more than one meaning. But, you already know that, so why your remarks: "doesn't treat me like an idiot teen/personal slave"? Maybe you might want to look through last year's sales and see which ones you'd like to strike off because the buyer didn't treat you like you would have liked. I don't get business owners like my late brother for instance who literally hated his customers and "profiled them" before they got in the door if he happened to look through the window and see them coming . And, he was right more often than not, but he owned a nice house with no mortgage, paid cash for a brand new pickup, etc. I used to envy him but I think he fretted himself to death at age 66 over predictable things that, in the long run, did not matter one little bit. By contrast, his widow is still with us at 88. She never took the same poison as he did. lol .
geoh7777 I understand where you're coming, I am in the customer service industry after all. Honestly in the last year or so it would only be about 4 customers lost, 4 customers who just had absolutely no respect. Without respect you're not getting very far with any of us, we obviously still help you because it's our job, but not because we want to. And we do have employees who profile people as they walk up sometimes, its more of a game to us, not making fun of or hating them, just to see what we can get right lol
I bet it was a late 20s kinda chubby dude. Last time I went there, he purposely answered our questions so indirectly. I have never had so many of my questions answered with idiotic questions in my life.
I hate the arrogant elitist gun shop owner. That's who runs the one near me. If you don't know every last detail about every gun and every caliber ever made, he'll talk down his nose at you like he's not worth your time.
I ran into one of these at a cabelas. I was showing my buddy a p229 telling him he should look at it for one of the options for his first edc. The shop guy starts talking shit saying edc should only have a glock style safety and this and that. Fucking hated that shit
Colin, I support everything that you're doing. I'm a retired 18 zulu from the army with over 20 years of service. As a weapons specialist I've tried to educate everyone who asks about firearms and firearm safety. I carry a modified 1911 cocked and locked at all times and recently was able to educate someone as to why. You however try to teach everyone about guns and gun safety. I applaud you for that. Makes me want to do more. Thank you.
+BikerBry Very true ! One thing I've learned in life is be very careful when asking for advise. You're simply getting someone's opinion and no one no You better than You. I have always done my own research, I like to know as much as I can about what I'm doing. It's a staple in my life that I use everyday for everything. Take care BikerBry.
+Andrew James the problem with that is, there is so much shitty information out there. Read half the posts on the internet, they will constantly tell you, "Glock, Glock, Glock....". This is such bad advice for EDC for many purposes.
I've had a douch swear to me that my Brazilian clone is a PSG1 and is worth 12k. I was like dude, I've been to Germany and been to a Heckler & Koch armament. Think it'd know a PSG1 when I see it
Also a lot of gun shops get special deals or have relationships with some manufacturers over others. That's why they're trying to steer you towards certain brands or guns. Like one shop near me has a relationship with Glock, and they try to really push those and give better deals on those.
My least favorite gun store Clark is the stand offish one. You ask to see a gun and he just hands it to you and you try to talk to him about the type of gun your looking for and he's just not interested. I mean I do alot of research before I buy a gun normally, but I want someone to offer a new perspective.
I’m happy the folks at my local gun shop are nice, open minded, and legitimately want people to pick guns they are comfortable with in a friendly manner.
The genuinely helpful person. (Long story warning). I have multiple gun shops in my town and I have one I strictly avoid because when I was first learning about guns I walked in there and they looked at me like I shouldn't be there as well as talked to me like I was stupid for not knowing. a few years back I bought my girlfriend a S&W SDVE 9 and went to shoot it at that location (closest to my house by at least 30 minutes), when the man at the counter was checking out the box the gun cake in. I asked if he'd like to see it (the gun), and his reply was, "nah that's the cheap one" which still bothers me to this day because that was a lot of money to me at the time and I still consider that a significant amount. That being said, the shop I choose to give my business to is a bit out of my way but those people are willing to converse hours with you and give you pros/cons on countless guns and even let you shoot them at no cost to rent if youre really interested. They taught me a good ount of what I currently know and they are still a joy to talk to because they love guns and helping people. Those are the people you'll never forget about.
I have SDVE 9mm as well and has put more than 3000 rounds down range with that firearm. It was my 1st, it was extremely reliable and fun to shoot. Don't worry about what that "douchebag" has to say.
I encountered what can only be named "The Patriot". Someone who's happy that a person is interested in exercising their 2nd Amendment rights and is helpful in all stages of gun selection. The Patriot will urge you to get your CCP, train, take classes and become better educated. I consider myself lucky to have run into him. He's the only guy I go to now.
I wish they were all that way. As a female who has always loved guns but havent had as much time as id like getting to know more about different ones, i typically run into the gun snob who demeans me or just plain ignores me. I think the patriot should be the attitude they all have!!
Margaritas & Namaste as a fellow gun enthusiast I cringe at the horror stories I've heard from friends. it's a shame that anyone would be ignored like yourself. I truly have a passion for the gun and would love to share my experience and knowledge without ever being condescending to anyone who has less experience than I.
I actually met an owner who acted like every single customer was a complete waste of his time. I'm friends with his son, who's trying his best to keep the doors open, but that dad of his... Look up the reviews for Kens Guns in Tifton, GA. Its sad but true
I looked up the reviews just out of morbid curiosity. Other than the obvious "bot" reviews, the description is accurate. Sounds like Ken is a racist asshole. It seems like a race between who will die first. The old man or the business.
Schweddy Ballz how do u go about deciding on what blacks are rude and disrespectful it’s like at that store they don’t even give u a chance I’m not gonna patronize a businesses and beg a white man to take my money
I've encountered every one of those personalities at gun shops. I ended up finding my favorite place to buy from because of their "Here To Help" personalities among the owners and the employees. I owned several pistols, shotguns, and hunting rifles, but wasn't overly familiar with the AR platform, and stopped in to take a look at a few of them. These folks were amazing in that they didn't trash brands, and didn't try to get me to buy a $3,000 gun. They asked what my budget was, and walked me through every AR they had in that price point. I bought one from them that day, and have bought more than 10 firearms from them since (3 of which are AR's). I became so familiar to them that they now know me by name, and anytime they get an oddball collectible piece in, I get a friendly "Hey Mike, we know you're into these types of guns for collection purposes and just got such and such in on consignment. Wanna stop by and see what you think of it?" call. They even helped my mother through every aspect of choosing a firearm after she had a bad experience with a shop closer to her house. Mom was pressured by this other shop towards a gun that was almost twice as much as she was willing to spend, plus it didn't feel right in her hands. When I brought her to the store I buy from, she was greeted with a handshake and formal introduction, then they listened to what she wanted and what her budget was, and walked her through 9 different choices. She asked "What do you recommend?" And their response was perfect "We recommend whatever you feel the most confident with, and what feels the most comfortable in your hand." Love that shop enough that I took a PT job a few hours a week helping out behind the counter.
Several years ago when I first started getting into firearms, I went to a local gun store with the intention of buying my first moderately priced gun. The salesman I encountered was so intimidating, and I was so nervous that I ended up purchasing a Sig Ultra Compact pistol (he was really pushing that Sig) for over $1k. which was way over my budget. I walked out of the store that day dazed and confused. Learned a lot since then. Now I thoroughly research the gun I'm interested in and buy on line.
I've had a guy recommend that I buy a P365, P938 or P238 as my self-defence handgun. All of them are SIGs and I know he's just trying to give good advise but SIGs are quite expensive.
These are examples of negative type salespersons, but what about the positives? I've got an example: The Realtor (you'll get the analogy, lemme explain) The "Realtor" is the type of salesman who you give him your parameters (budget, type, brand, caliber) and they'll do their best in giving you a good range of options based upon your parameters. Take for analogy example, I want a house with a 3 car garage, 4 bedrooms, nice yard and a good neighborhood. The realtor will work on finding "the one". Now apply that to the "Realtor" gun salesman. I go into a gun shop, and say *"I want a nice rifle, for deer hunting. I'm thinking something with a nice punch, good range of options for scopes, I've got a budget for $750 max, and I really like Remington's"*. Then the salesman looks around the shop, gathers a couple rifles, and explains them inside and out. *"The R700 is a very popular "deer rifle", comes in many calibers, has a lot of aftermarket support, gets the job done well for a decent price. The 30-30 WIN cartridge is a great deer cartridge, it's taken more deer than any other caliber. The Marlin 336 is a great .30-30, optimal for rails and scopes, and you can't beat the .30-30."* After a nice, pleasant conversation, you decide "I'll take this one", and have a good experience in the shop, and soon recommending people you know to that salesman. The "Realtor" is the salesman that when you leave the shop, you have a smile on your face and a rifle on your back.
And the really helpful ones. I've had two so far going over things in detail with my wife, not pushing but giving honest advice. I just stood back and listened, waiting for the bs alarm to go off, never did! We didn't buy, but when she finds one she likes, we'll be buying from one of those two!
+Ur Afail There's a shop like that by my house, and it's awesome. (triple J in littleton) I've been building an AR as money allows. I'll go in, everyone there has experience cause they predominately sell AR's. I know I can get a better price online, but it's marginal. Say I'm looking for a BCG, charging handle, and they'll pull out a few, talk about their basic ones, talk through the advantages of better parts, drawbacks, etc. Working in the auto industry we do the same thing. If you give a person one choice it's sort of all or nothing. If you give them three choices, they're more likely to choose one of those instead of nothing.
I also really respect when an employee admits a lack of knowledge or experience with a specific product or piece. They don’t try to BS you and go ask some other employee. Someone that always has an answer for everything is usually full of shit
Here, Here! Outstanding commentary. I have tried to explain this to employees for years. The two dominant types we have in my store are the fan and the douchebag. I preach all the time, "Never trash talk a product just because you think your too good for it." And I tell em "I know you love your XD and have three of them, but even though it's the perfect gun for you it's not for everybody that walks in the door." This commentary should be mandatory viewing for all gun store employees. I can tell you this, it's now mandatory in my store. Thanks again.
Don't forget the Fudd. They only hunt and don't understand the concept of semi auto rifles or tactical firearms. This is almost in every gun store in Canada.
+Danzo DaManzo Eastern Canada maybe, but western Canadian gun stores have become call-of-duty central since the whole tactical scene exploded in popularity :p All I seem to see now are Tavors, ruger sr 22s and mini 14s, mossberg 590s and mvps, vz 58s, ar 15s, sps tacticals, savage BAs, benelli M4s and MR1s, Beretta Cx4s, Jr carbines, M14s, sks, etc.
Solid observation, well said. As a firearm safety instructor the advise I give my students that haven't purchased their own personal defensive tool(s) as of the time of our talking is for them to hit a gun show or two, touch EVERYTHING (ask permission first), YOUR gun will fit YOUR hand; you will be able to reach all the controls comfortably. You will be able to understand the form /function and should feel as a natural extension of your arm. I've handled all sorts of firearms, they will each accomplish the same task "defending you and your family"; take your time and select the one that works for you. Take care, be safe and God bless.
I would add... renting guns and test firing them. I took almost 8 months researching and test firing different handguns, watching videos learning the ins and outs of different systems before making my first purchase. In that time I fell in and out of love with a lot of styles.
One more for you. The good old boys gun store. The one that you walk into and they won’t say boo to you. I’ve been standing in line at one of these gun stores to talk to a sales person. There’s a person behind me in line. Who happens to know the owner or the guy behind the counter. I get skipped right over as the guy looks around me to talk to his buddy behind me and pretty much pushes me out of line.I refuse to go to those stores.
2 words, excuse me, another 2 words Hello friend, the good ol boys give and earn attention the same way they do respect. When you are shy and don't speak up or ask for or demand respect or attention and you don't simply come in asking for what you want you barely exist.
Stood in line with a number at the only san bernardino city gun store. When my number was called, I would like two boxes of 308... sorry we don't have any. Hey George how you doing? Would you have ..... as he walks away. I am guessing that they only need business from their friends. Didn't go back for years. That was a few years ago. Stopped in this week to see if they had powder funnels. No, and only one customer.
I know how you feel the closest gun store to me the owner is an asshole if he don’t know you he makes you feel like you’re wasting his time to sell you a $800 gun or sometime I won’t ever buy another gun there
I'll never forget getting a Old Spice behind the counter. I wanted to buy 556 ammo and a gift for a friends new AR. He basically refused to tell me if he had any in stock (ammo was behind the counter so couldn't see too well) because he had a bunch of 223 and how it is the same thing. Yes, it basically is, yes it will go though fine in his rifle, yes I know about the differences but its not what I want. I want to buy 556. After about 5 minutes of telling him I'm not going to buy 223 because it is not what I want I just had to leave empty handed. Maybe talk about ammo snobs next!
I got a Ruger SR40C....dont like it! Should have gotten the 9 instead, it's a it too heavy for every day carry and has a bit too much kick for me. The guy behind the counter was very big on .40cal vs. 9mm. Next time I'll get exactly what I want instead of listening to the guy behind the counter! 🇺🇸
I already owned rifles but had never bought a handgun. For years I always thought "if I ever buy a handgun Im gonna either buy a .38 revolver or if I go semi auto, its definitely gonna be a .40 cal. and BOTH of these were because of what different friends had told me were THE guns to have and carry. EVERYONE told me to skip over the .380. Well a couple months ago I finally decided to buy my first handgun and I walked out with a Shield 9mm EZ because I liked it in my hands. Then about a week ago I went back and bought a Bodyguard .380! 😂😂
At my range... The wife of the owner is an active member of staff. She started hinting at the quality of my Hi Point. I told her i was perfectly comfortable with what i had paid and what i ended up with. We dont have those discussions any longer. I still love that couple. They are good folks who just wanted to make sure i was aware of jamming issues. Ok... I did finally buy a revolver... Lol 1962 High Standard Double Nine in severe need of refinishing.(new black barrel and magazine. Frame in DIRE need.) I love this thing. Try your luck. I can hold a 2 inch pattern with much magazine emptying rapidness.
You forgot the small time store owner: he has 10 pistols and maybe 15 rifles in stock and tries to justify marking up his high point $100 over msrp because "he has to cover his overhead".
+Ryan Emery How about this for A-hole shop owner? Years back I witnessed a salesman try to sell a Ruger P89 to a customer for what sounded like a fair price... until he proceeded to tell them that the speed loader and cable lock were $5 each, the plastic case was $10, the extra mag was $20, and finally the most egregious thing of all, wanted to charge $50 for a manufacturers warranty!
+Ryan Emery or the one that you need a repair on, they've had for 4 months, don't answer their phone, close and take the day off whenever they feel like it, and when you can finally stop by they're "looking for your part but having trouble" and they're both sitting around shooting the shit when you come in. I don't expect 100% dedication to only my gun but holy shit you're trying to tell me in the age of the internet you can't find a transfer block online?
Assuming that the 500 rounds of 303 british ammo was worth $300, that sounds like a 65% markup. If the ammo wasn't part of the final deal, then it's only a 27% markup.
How much do you think the shop owner was going to sell the ammo for ? I estimated a value of $300 for the ammo based off a google search: So that means the markup was $550 : $rifle + $ammo - $cost = $550 + $300 - $300 = $550. In other words: he marked it up $550 from $300 to a grand total of $850. In terms of percentages (markups are often calculated in terms of the final retail price, not with respect to the initial cost), that's 65% : $markup / $total_retail * 100 = $550 / $850 * 100 = 64.7% ~ 65% But yeah, in terms of the $300 cost, the shop owner was almost able to triple his money. I was just trying to lay out the facts before taking a position. You sound more knowledgeable on the subject and better able to make a determination on if the shop owner was ripping the customer off.
I know im commenting on a 7 year old video, but this just proves hoe valuable the information in the video is. I just want to warn anyone new to guns about the person I think is the worst kind of gun salesman, and this person doesn't even work there (or at any gun store for that matter) but probably spends more time at that store than most employees. I'm talking about the "all knowing" pro customer. He is the customer that just hangs out in the store. He isn't there to buy. He is either friends with an employee or ownerr, or the employees are too polite to tell him he can't habg out. He will wait until the phone rings, or someone else asks the salesperson a question, or for you to make eye contact with him. DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH 5HIS PERSON!!! as he will see it as you asking him his opinion, which he is a agearly waiting to give. He will swoop in and completely take over, toelling the salesperson to pull out guns you didn't ask about from the case. This guy has information on every gun that cant be verified because the manufacturer, gun store, or any employee never mention or talk about anything even related to the information he's spouting doesn't. This guy won't even ask if you like a gun. In his mind his knowledge is so above everyone else's he feels he knows what gun is perfect for what person and if he's able to get you to hold that gun he will turn to the salesperson and say something like "go ahead and ring this sale up, looks like I found Another perfect match." and he will move right i to pitching you holsters and every mod possible for that gun. Don't walk out.... Run from this person!
Yeah. I'm pretty sure that if there is a gun I haven't seen before and want to know what it is, the guy who is supposed to be trying to sell me something shouldn't act like a douche.
(okay, i'm a long story teller, you don't have to read this if this is too long) if you subscribe to iraqveteran8888, you might have gotten an insight into some of the people like this, it is likely to be they have so many people who are the "safety hazard" type (waving the gun around pointing it at people), that they just get irritated with dealing with the ignorance of people (even though they still like guns and informing/teaching, they get tired). I had a dealing with this, since at one point I didn't know most guns had drop safe firing pins (spring to hold firing pin back). After I unloaded my gun (that I brought to find out why my garage door opened at 3 a.m. when I was supposed to be alone, and called my family to make sure they didn't come home), there was a light pin mark on the firing cap of the chambered bullet, enough to get me worried I could have had a drop fire that night (in this case the bolt dropped and not the gun dropped). It was an older gun (60's and quite used), so I went to a gunsmith to have it checked out, especially because I've been advised by my grandfather to not let the bolt on guns drop quickly if I can, because a drop fire could happen. The gunsmith definitely had the attitude you described toward me, almost as if he was tired of people not knowing this kind of stuff (the gun wan't capable of a drop fire). Although he did have a reason to, because the mark on the firing cap wasn't because of the gun, it was because I had a dud shell cycle back into my fresh bullets and end up on the chambered round I was planning to use to defend myself. If he had an "your an idiot" attitude, he was definitely justified to that! I'm not too proud of that moment. But gun newbies aren't going to be very encouraged to learn with that "your bothering me, your an idiot" attitude.
+huntingmachine1: I still think that's sort of a complex issue which there could be a ton of variables revolving around. So, I wouldn't think that was a simple black and white issue automatically making you "some type of idiot, how could you not know what is so obvious". Not knowing basic gun safety, like waving a gun around at people in a gun store (or ever) deserves this type respect, but certainly a concerned customer that is experiencing a confusing, abnormal gun or ammo issue does not deserve that treatment, IMO.
I agree. Mr. Noir would be a fine President. He has the people's rights held first and is down to earth. If Trump can do It so can you Mr. Noir. I'd vote for you.
how bout the gun store guys who think ur criminal. n over check your identfication. and start rapping off whats illegal and legal when you didnt ask. (implying your intenting on breaking law) smh
xRawburtx I understand that but it normally happens when you’re a younger person typically 18-22 years old they act like I’m going to go on a mass murder spree or something it’s pretty intimidating getting asked a million questions and makes people not want to return
I'm a non felon covered in tattoos, i own many guns all purchased from firearm retailers. I definitely get overlooked and eyeballed when I'm at almost any gun or sporting good store. I don't browse anymore because of it, I simply know what i want and throw down the cash. It's the world we live in.
Real question: do you come in speaking clearly or and/dressed well? I have exposed tattoos, longer hair, facial hair, but I speak clearly and I'm always treated well.
When you said old Fart I had to laugh because I said the same thing about the polymer guns being lighter and the old Fart said "Listen here Son Have you ever been pistol whipped!!! ?" I replied no Sir and he said in a fire fight if I run outta bullets I'd rather bust you upside the head with some heavy metal than a piece of plastic!! I laughed so hard I think a squirt of piss may have come out.Lmao Anyways good video sir :)
I like that you edited this video down to cover the key salient information. So many other gun videos you have to sit through what seems like hours of rambling about useless babble. This was concise and useful. Goo job, and yes, you nailed a lot of the personalities I have encountered.
This is why I only go to the gun store when I know exactly what gun I’m looking for. I research guns that appeal to me & then I come on here at watch lots of videos of ppl like yourself using that gun to do a review video. In fact that’s how I found your channel original when I was looking at reviews on the M&P 9mm 2.0 where you were walking down the middle of walking down this road with tired stacked and cars sitting there. And I enjoyed your thoughtful insight on the gun and that you were giving honest feed back on it on you likes and dislikes of the gun. Once I find a gun that appeals to me and watch tons of RUclips reviews on said gun, I’ll go to a gun shop to see how it feels in my hand. If majority of the reviews were positive and the gun feels good in my hand I usually buy it if the price is right. But I forgot to mention I usually call most of the gun shows around my area to find out if it’s in stock and the price. Which ever shop has the best price gets my business. Saves time having to deal with those ppl you just talked about in this video.
"The Eye Candy" a young, usually attractive female who has almost no idea about any weapon behind the counter, and usually sucks at her job, but is clearly there because the owner wanted something pretty to draw in customers. . . I think this one bugs me the most...
I bought my first gun when I was 19. I went to a nearby small gun shop, and asked the owner for some reference material to help me chose a gun (this was in the early 80's before the internet), and took some books and magazines home. I returned a few days later having made some tentative decisions. There was some young cocky guy wearing a quick draw holster at the counter. I went to him and said "I want to buy and gun and could use some help." He replied with disdain "let me guess, you want a Glock 9." I was ready to pull him over the counter and teach him a lesson in being polite. This was back in the day when 9mm was Hollywood popular, the ammo was still junk, and Glock was still having issues with reliability. I was divided between .357mag or a 1911.
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A Noobie picked up the phone when I called about beginner lessons. He was sooooo whiny. He threw a little tantrum just because I wanted to know when the instructor would be back from vacation. “He’ll be back next week.” Me: “You sure? The guy last week said the same thing.” “Man, idk. He’ll be back when he’s back.” Me: “Okay, but when is that?” “Idk.” Me: “Well can you go find out?” “Look, guess you’ll just have to call again next week.” I was blown away by this lol. What a punk ass dude. This video helped me know it’s a common occurrence that I shouldn’t let get the better of me. Thanks!
You missed a couple. The "collector": Has glass cases of old blue steel and walnut with no price tags. Pretty much ignores you because you are 30yrs too young. Then gets offended when you tell him you need a "shooter grade" h p stamped 1911 barrel so you can take this Colt to the range instead of rubbing it in oil and never shot. The FUD: "Hunting store", your evil black rifles have no place here, feels "military weapons" should be with the military in ironic contrast to the 700s/A5's/M500's and other weapons he stocks that started life and still live as military weapons. The Buddies Shop: less gun store, more social hangout for store owner and his buddies. You are a stranger and will be ignored while they talk about random worthless crap. The $$$$$$$ shop: No grasp on reality prices, no movement from MSRP, no sale prices, $100 FFL transfers, +3% on credit card sales, He may have that weapon you want but expect to bleed for it.
Then there is the retired cop who tries to make you feel like you shouldn't even be in the store. Only ran across this 'type' once. So guess what? I never spent a dime in his employer's store.
Me: "Can I take a look at that Kimber right there?" Gun shop employee: "Well I got this Sig here." *hands me p226* Me: "Yes, I do like Sigs but can I take a look at that Kimber right there?" Gun shop employee: "Well I got this Sig here." *holds p226 closer to my face* Me: *looking at Kimbers thru the glass* "You guys carry Kimbers?" Gun shop employee: "Well I got this Sig here." *p226 intensifies* Me: *points to Kimber 1911* "Can I take a look at that one right there?" Gun shop employee: "Oh yes of course" *hands me 1911* this is nice it's not a Sig I'm not sure what the hell this is."
I hate to admit it but you tagged me with two personalities I am a gun snob and commando. I automatically steer people away from HyPoint Sccy etc even though I should be listening to their wants and needs. Then I overload them with "extra details" that they are either not ready for or have no interest in. Thanks for pointing that out to me I will try harder in the future.
The Judge: the minute you walk in you feel like you're on trial. These types of people are always so uptight that they may be able to crap diamonds if they ate enough coal... they also make you want to leave and never come back because they often come off as rude, never crack jokes or make small talk. Comes with permanent "resting bitch face" and "I'm actually scared shitless of you so I act like I'm angry" glare.
I'm not going to lie I am a huge CZ fanboy, and it drives my local gunstore/pistol range into a tiff when I say I'm not interested in their selection of major (and higher priced) handgun brand models.
As far as handguns go, I see two distinct types. Well three actually, but I'll get to that later. First, of the quality guns, you have the polymer framed guns, which are basically tools. They will get the job done. They are not pretty, and they will not last forever. But if you want a gun that you need to work, and don't mind getting a few scratches on, they are probably the way to go. Second, you have the all steel guns, 1911s, revolvers, etc. These guns also work well. But I don't consider them to be tools that you replace when they wear out. These guns are also works of art, prized possessions, family heirlooms that will be passed down from generation to generation. Then you have the last type, which are basically junk, no matter what they are made out of. And price is not always the determining factor. While many of them are cheap, not all of them are. I have a $200 .22 revolver that will probably last forever. I have seen some high dollar guns tested on RUclips that failed miserably. I have found RUclips gun channels as a good place to get good information about guns. No matter what kind of gun you have in mind, somebody out there has reviewed it
Just be careful of reviews. Some of the reviews are junk. I like to find channels where the guy on the tube isn't either biased or so concerned with showing you how awesome he is that everything he says is suspect. I have watched reviews where they gave out erroneous information, basically out of not being willing to say, "I don't know."
As someone who works at a gun counter, I have talked to many customers that perfectly fit most of the things in this video. One that I could add is "The Questionnaire." Someone who wants to know everything about every gun that has ever existed and usually only appears when you have a lot of work to do. :p
There was a gun store that opened in a town near me. It had a grand opening and the place was packed all the time ....initially, then as word got out that the people working there were rude and condescending , the place eventually closed down. These people don't realize that it's the people walking through the door that pays the bills.
Hilarious man! Just recently started purchasing firearms and my god I can't believe the personalities I've met within the few stores I've visited. Generally low to no person-ability and at times a condescending demeanor.
Thanks for your time! Since my last comment I've found a couple spots that are more warming. As you've stated it did take some "leg work" before putting up most their effort.
The "you're just a tire kicker" guy. I walked into academy with $500 in my pocket and was interested in checking out a few 12 gauge shotguns, an even purchasing one if I liked it enough. The salesman behind the counter was dealing with an Old fart looking at revolvers, so I hung around for around 10 min. hoping to get a minute to look at some. After 10 min of me standing there looking, He still hadn't even bothered to Acknowledge me as a customer, let alone ask if there was anything he could help me with. Needless to say I walked away that day.
That has become the norm at Academy and Gander Mountain for sure. While looking into a small carry pistol at Gander, the clerk was determined to steer me to a 380. I wanted a 9mm and looked at a couple, he said "check this out", it was a 380 and I just said, "no, I want to stay with a 9". He then gave me his verbal resume' as a range officer , blah, blah blah, and how any bullet placed well would be effective. I just stared at him and walked away. I am retired LE, don't lecture me jackass.
Yeah, one thing I've realized is that if you're set on a particular gun, in most cases you should buy it. Otherwise, if you sette for something else, any little problem you have with the gun will make you wish you had bought the one you originally wanted. and vice versa, say you buy a desert eagle, and you later decide it's too much, at least now you know, and can downgrade to something else. I've found guns hold their value a lot better than something like a Vehicle. Unless you customize the shit out of it. Like a lot of guys do with AR's. I've seen several guys lose $1000 on an AR because they decked it out with all of the add-ons, and not many buyers care about that.
I was at a shop one day with my wife, looking at a gun for her. The lady behind the counter was REALLY pushing her towards a Bersa Thunder. I told my wife I don’t care for the Bersa because of the Magazine Disconnect, and what happens if you are in a shooting, you go to perform a tactical reload, and the bad guy comes around the corner before you get the fresh magazine inserted? Gal behind the counter cut me off and said, “He doesn’t know what he is talking about, this is NOT a tactical pistol!” My wife pushed the pistol across the counter and told her “You just screwed up!” and out the door we went.
+Colion Noir, another common Gun Shop Sales Man is the "inventory salesman". You go to the store interested in one specific model, but they don't have exactly what you're looking for. Instead, they push other in-stock models that are "just like" the one you're interested in. Sure, one is a different price by $300 or another doesn't have the features you want, but it's "just like" what you're looking for.
I'm a gun shop guy as well as a Firearms Instructor but I always warn my female students to beware of the macho gun guy who sees a lady and instantly says she needs a revolver. Especially a Lightweight Double Action Only revolver. I've seen so many women disappointed with their choice of handgun because they either listened to the macho gun guy salesman or their know it all husband or boyfriend.
I can't stand Glocks but will still recommend them to new people who don't want a heavy gun. I tell them go and hold multiple guns to see what feels good in their hands. If the store has a range and rents guns, rent it, shoot it, see how it feels. Although I fit into the "Newbie" category, I'm trying to learn as much as possible. I found the gun type I shoot best with and I own three of them. Good video man
i like glocks cause they're just simple. and they're feel better in my hand. HK's too. glocks have a lot of different sizes too. but this just me. not a fan of xd's but i do live in cali so im not able to try all the other xd's
I grew up shooting Glocks... I have problems shooting other types of handguns just because I only shot Glocks for the first 18 or 19 years of my life... I can shoot other guns, but I'm a lot better with a glock
Similar to you. Don't own one. Want one but not sure what to get. Glocks... They're easy to shoot and for me I get pretty nice groups with them. I just wish they had safety besides don't pull trigger. Otherwise I would get one easily. There's others I like too. My friend has some sort of Smith and Wesson I forget what but it's a full-size I like. Trouble is I'm looking for a CCW type of pistol but none I've tried I like. Too small for me to hold properly (or feels like it anyway).
That's the best advice you can ever give someone. Hold as many guns as you can. You'll know "your" gun when you feel it. A gun that doesn't feel right won't shoot as well for you, and you won't want to practice with it. If you can rent and shoot, or borrow and shoot first all the better. If you're new to it all, don't go in with your mind made up because a RUclips video, Internet forum, or friend told you to buy such and such. I all but had my mind made up to get a Glock 19 as it fits a size vs capacity niche my other pistols didn't (and I don't care for glocks). That was before I held the new S&W M&P 2.0 Compact. Basically the same size but feels like it was custom molded to my hand. Saved some cash AND walked out with a gun I ultimately like more.
Don’t forget about the “I don’t wanna help women” guys. Me and my wife go into go in stores all the time and I usually what I want and I don’t really have to look that much but she will look and look. A lot of times when she’s looking none of the guys behind the counter will help her and we have to say something. Usually older men. We don’t go back to those stores cuz they’re not interested in helping women arm themselves.
I think a silencer would be a good idea for home defense. Guns are loud and who wants to worry about putting in ear pro at 2am when dealing with a home invasion. With that said i certainly don't have one, but I do see its merits.
Still remember an incident from the 90's. Just got out of US Army. Went to THE local gun shop and got the complete and total D Bag treatment. Needless to say; never went back.
I know I'm years late on this but has anyone mentioned the female gun clerk that goes above and beyond to try and establish "gun-knowledge-dominance" because you're a male. I'm sorry ma'am, but I'm just trying to get some 185 grain hydroshock. I don't need the lesson on how the hydroshock projectile originated.
Also late but I saw this for the first time at a gun show. Girl looks at gun and her boyfriend happens to be there so the guy starts talking to her boyfriend. "This is a good size for her. She'll like this." Stuff like that.
That's why I love my gun shop (Duffy's gun room if you are in MD) they have knowledgeable people that figure out what you want offer their opinions and first hand experience without pushing anything on you
What about the type that takes you for a newbie? Had a really bad experience purchasing my first optic after 7+ years of shooting iron sights because I simply couldn't afford anything more expensive. The first thing he said was something like "why don't you get proficient with irons first?" and I was like sigh...
YUP!, Going through that process right now.. Being drug-Kicking and Screaming- into the 21st century...Just acquired my first plastic gun.. Will find out how well we will dance together....
I see exactly what you mean. I’ve been two many gun shops and have been diligently working on my aim and control. In reading over some of the comments it’s clear to see that you hit the nail on the head. Move forward wisely brother!
I encountered a shop owner who was a gun snob that lost my sale because he wanted me to spend thousands when I could only afford what I could afford. His shop went out of business, I wonder why. Why offer different brands at different prices but push the most expensive to the point where you lose the sale completely. Horrible business practice
You are so right. One thing that is so important is knowing the reputation of the gun store and getting familiar with it. Think of a gun store as a used car lot and you are buying a car. Do your homework and the learning curve. One thing I’ve done for over 25 years now is I have a subscription to gun test magazine their is no paid advertising in it at all. Now today we have RUclips and the internet watch videos. It’s all a learning curve and know your budget especially if you are first getting into it. Don’t be complacent. First thing you need a way to secure your gun at home before you purchase it like a lockbox or gun safe. What’s your living situation like , family , kids, friends coming and going. Gun safety training course. Having a firearm in your possession you take on a big responsibility it’s a mind set, it changes your life going forward, don’t be complacent about it. It will come and bit you in the ass when you least expect it. Just don’t go out and buy a gun as a fad thing bring it home and throw it in a corner after a few weeks after you got tired of it and the hype wears off. Once you purchase a gun your life changed forever or until you sell it and get rid of it. It’s a 24/7 7 day a week thing you have to have a plan in place about safety rules and training and boundaries you will not cross. This is a lot for a first time gun purchaser to deal with.
What about the "Grump"? The one that is always pissed off and always acts like its taking days off his life to show you firearms you are interested in.
Dongs in Tulsa Ok. Everyone in there is the Grump. I feel like I'm walk im ng through each salesman's personal collection
Ayy 918.
Hell yes.
I once went to this gun store with my dad and they seemed to have guns you’ve seen in Call of Duty, I saw a Barrett .50cal for about $10,000 and we were told by a guy at Dick’s they had a certain rifle and this one middle-aged to old guy told us down like we were full of shit that they didn’t have it. Just very rude. Sometimes it seems lots of people in the gun world have varying levels of cockiness.
But the thing about the grump. He is just naturally a grump, he'll be the grump regardless of where he works. Especially Walmart where you'll always see him. So the thing to do here is ask for another salesman and don't worry if you hurt his feelings doing it.
Don't forget about the alarmist. My wife wanted her first gun to be a 9mm. Guy at the counter said she wants something bigger and suggested a rifle firing a larger round in case shes attacked by 5 or 6 well trained ex military invading our home. I didn't realize we were at risk of having our shit kicked in by seal team six.
lol looks like your wife was trying to get ⓓⓘⓒⓚⓔⓓ ⓓⓞⓦⓝ by the gun store salesmen. keep a leash on it boi
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It's 4:46 am and I've been very depressed for weeks, but your comment made me laugh out loud. Thank you sir.
@@alexm566 hang in there dude.
I get what you're saying, but in a home defense scenario, especially where concealment isn't an issue, I'd much rather have an AR-15 on the shorter side with 30 round mags over any handgun. Or, a high capacity 12ga shotgun. But, that's just me...and a lot of other people, too, I'd suspect...
One type you missed is the honest “here to help” guy. Not pushy, there to help, and honest advice. Usually the owner of the shop.
David Beachel
ABSOLUTELY!!!
Not necessarily the owner. Someone who really wants to help a person buy their first of 100th gun. Doesn't have all the answers, but isn't afraid to find the answer among his colleagues.
David Beachel me too cause I don’t make commission lol
They keep that guy in the back, tied to a chair for low Kimber sales.
As a relative noob, it’s really nice when I meet a salesperson who is genuinely helpful and listens. A few times I could tell the salesman felt I was beneath notice and obviously not a “real” gun person. Usually, an old codger type. Having said that, one of the most helpful and friendly ever was an old codger type who seemed genuinely happy that someone was interspersed in getting into guns and helped me enormously.
At 73 years old I kinda like my SIG P250. Fortunately, as a follower of your channel, I believe you've expanded your world view in the last seven and a half years. In fact, you reminded me of a great Mark Twain quote: "When I was 14 years old my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to be around him. By the time I was 21 I was astounded by how much the old man had learned in seven years". You're doing fine, Colion-keep it up.
There’s a small gun store near my home that I always go to. Unlike other gun stores they make casual conversation with me about unrelated topics while asking if there are any guns in the case I want to handle. Just for that I buy all my guns from them, including some I don’t even need because they made me feel like a valued customer.
PSA can be a bit friendly when you don't catch them with a line, you just ask about a gun, and next thing you know its in your hands when you just wanted to know WTF it was.
Alex Nelson that’s what every gun store should be like
These sort of gun shops are hard to come by.
Isn’t that amazing how much of a difference it makes. There’s even stores around me that might have a better deal but I can’t stand to shop there.
Nice privilege flex 💪🙂
And then there's number 6: the Guru. This dude is usually middle aged or older, typically the store owner or at least the manager, he's been using and selling guns for decades, he's seen it all: he knows all the different brands' advantages and the history behind each new line of firearm. He's so experienced that he's made every mistake you can make already, so if he has to knock your choice of gun or take your opinion down a peg, he does so with a personal story of his experience with that gun, through which his undeniable love for all guns, even the crappier ones, shines brightly. Sadly these kings among men are rare.
I like to call this individual, "The Gandalf"
Thank you. Admitting mistakes is the hard part but having made so many over the years it's become easier to share them.
Barry from IV8888 :'(
UberJamesMan true. I've got 15 guns in my bag, so a customer can see that I'm not talking outta my backside. If I ain't got it, I've shot it. My goal for a new prospective gun owner is to match their needs up with an ideal gun suited for the task they have in mind for it - knowing that the need might eventually evolve as their understanding of their situation relating to that firearm changes. Like everyone else, I have guns that I like, but if you want to be of value to your customer, tailor your presentation to their needs.
I’m not quite this. But kind of like this. Owned and shot a lot of different models and makes, been into guns since I turned 25(was interested in them earlier but living with Parents who said no guns at the time), so for 13 years of shooting experience . Numbers of guns owned over the years: 17 shotguns, 19 handguns, 11 rifles. Plus guns owned by friends and family I have shot: many.
The practical veteran.
I was infantry for 8 years in the US Army and whenever I talk to someone about guns, note that I'm NOT a gun salesman, I ask the same two questions I asked when I was a knife salesman or when someone wants me to build them a computer.
1) What is your budget???
2) What do you want it to do???
If your MAXIMUM budget is $600, you're not going to get an HK USP Compact .45cal. You can get a CZ-75 or a Rock island Armory 1911, but not much more in terms of full size guns.
For guns, there's a 3rd question.
3) What is your level of experience/physical capabilities???
That 3rd one is for those who are brand new to guns, have medical conditions in their hands, small in size, etc. For these people, I kinda point them towards 9mm and 380's. Why??? Lower cost, less strain on the body, larger selection of firearms/brands to choose from, etc.
Soldier4USA2005.....thanks for your service bro.... Hooah
Bingo
Exactly. I have a little experience, but I ask those same questions when people ask me what I would recommend...
The 3rd can definitely be applied to knives. Sadly, the art of using knives has been all but lost.
Recently I bought a Savage AR-15, everything went great though the process. This older guy helped me out and was super friendly. The rifle said multi cal so it would shoot 556 or 223. The next morning I took it out to the desert to shoot 556 through it. It wouldn’t shoot at all. I sat there and read the owners manual again, read online and after 3-4 times of trying I finally gave up and resolved to return it.
I went back to the store and told them I didn’t think it had a firing pin. The guy was a jerk and told me that it was HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely. He went to the back, sure enough it actually had a firing pin. So I told him it’s not shooting. So he went back to test it on paper and it wouldn’t puncture paper so he told me that they have to no return policy and that I would have to ship it to Savage at my own cost. I was mad but I had no other choice so paid for it to be shipped back to Savage for repair. He told me he has no time frame of when it will come back and if I called for updates it would just piss him off. I left the store pretty upset.
After talking to some close friends I decide that I’m gonna just take it to a gunsmith locally and have them fix it. I call the store and tell them I’m coming in later to pick it up and the guy happened to look on the box and it shot .224 Valkyrie!
I went back in and come to find out they accidentally sold me a gun that was $400 more so they tried to get me to trade it back in.
I told them, remember you don’t have a return policy.
That's the problem with entry level positions in gun stores and big box stores such as Bass Pro shop and Cabela's. Unfortunately you never know who you'll get. Usually at the mom and pop gun store/range that I have been going to for 20+ years the owner/ management knows I won't tolerate stupidity. Either I get to hand pick who I want, (I'm more than happy to wait my turn), or I won't be spending any money that day. Usually the owner elects to wait on me when I walk in as a courtesy. I have spent thousands in that store over the years in guns and ammo, and I believe I deserve that treatment. Plus, he doesn't hire just anyone off the street usually, he pretty much figures out that new person while he/she is still a probationary employee. Do I pay more for that privilege? Sometimes I'm sure I do. But do I get exactly what I want when I want it? Yes you're damn right. And the reality is, It's people like me that help to keep his doors open and keep his employees employed. It's a "Yin&Yang" thing. Something you'll never get at any "Big Box", especially buying ammo at Walmarts.
Reel-Lentless have you ever shot a 224? It’s wider than a 223 or 556 so it will chamber in but is loose. You won’t even know it’s lose.
The Busterdog spot on
Reel-Lentless I don’t really get what your angle is here? Why would I make up a lie? I guess I don’t really understand why you would waste negative energy on trying to somehow discount an experiment I had? Say whatever you want, I was just sharing what happened to me bud. Go on and waste someone else’s time.
@Reel-Lentless That's why it WILL chamber, but loosely. The .223 and the 5.56 are 4 mm longer than the slightly wider .224 Valkyrie, and not the other way around (which would prevent it from chambering).
I'm 66 yrs. old and I believe that the best gun is the one that you are comfortable with. Knowledge and experience will lead you to the correct choice. Let the force be with you.
I have won more Money and Trophies with a Model 12 than a K-80....just me
Fucking BOOT
Wayne Bjorken so your the old fart salesman. Got it
Everyone starts at day one, no one starts as expert
I do fixing problems needs natural pros you all think to much
v1antbo ha when I started having sex i was the best
@@DreamTeam-jx6hq ha sure, buddy. She was just trying to not hurt your feelings.
v1antbo yeah but most of us know to shut out mouths and open our ears when our feet are dry.
Yeah. Everyone was a Boot at sometimes in their life.....EVERYONE.
Good customer service is very lacking in the firearms industry
True story!
Because stores don't train anything beyond the basics or hire people with some kind of experience in the department they're interviewing to work in. The days of truly knowledgeable people in their trade are all but gone, though there are a select few that are worthwhile but they are far and few in between.
Dimes On His Eyes in all of the industries
Halbrooks carving and guns in Fontana California. Smart man and wife. They know reloading and will offer advice if you ask. And when you admire the game he has shot and had mounted, you made a friend. He will even tell you you exactly where the game was harvested and wether or not you need a guide.
He also doesn't like to sell you a product which might not work in your pistol. He will, but he wants you to be sure first.
I’m a new gun owner and the ones that I encounter is once they find out that I know absolutely nothing about guns they will leave me standing on the floor to assist someone who already knows about guns. Happened a couple of times.
Patrick Angel thank you it has gotten better and like you said I met a range partner there. It’s all good had my S&W MP Shield Ez for a little over a year and I absolutely love it!!
Yeah, they just want to talk about guns to other gun dudes. I try talking to the people who have that glassed over look. I'm not a 'commando' by any stretch, but I know a decent amount. Plus I know what it's like to be a beginner. I can usually answer those beginner questions really well.
I've noticed that too. I don't even like talking about guns and prices to people because of the ridiculousness I've encountered just discussing it online and with friends and whatnot, but it seems like a lot of the shops I go into either just kinda ignore me or treat me like I don't belong in there or some shit.
I'm not a new gun owner by any stretch of the imagination and I've had that happen to me. Maybe I don't look like I can afford a $2k rifle, but I was ready to walk out the door with it. Might happen to me less than a first time buyer, but it happens. I just don't go back to those places.
I was a new gun owner in March. And it wasn't because of corona or idiots rioting and looting, but of course that's when i had money and decided I'm not young enough to think I'm invincible anymore lol when i decided to buy a gun from an actual gun store that only sells guns (nw armory) they acted like i was such a huge burden on their time. Literally the girl ringing me up ignored my question! Pissed me off and i asked why she's ignoring me and she finally answered my question in the worst way possible while ignoring my question "why are you ignoring me" lol Last couple weeks I've been going to sportsmans warehouse, and damn they are way better so far and two of the guys that helped me i could tell knew their stuff, turns out one is in the national guard and the other was a marine. One guy was kind of a putz though and seemed overwhelmed. But overall they've been pretty cool to me and helpful with me learning about what i want.
The "you can't afford to be here" type. An old truck in the parking lot doesn't mean you can't pay cash for the store.
I walked into a LGS I never go to. Asked if they had any irons, their exact response was "Only the expensive ones". Walked right out to my usual store and ordered a set of DD irons. Some people
@@raphaelcurup5856 Sales folks often miss an opportunity by talking.
There is a LGS near UT Austin. By rep, they were a great business in the 70s/80s, but they were always, always pricks to me. I didn't look like a punk, but their average customer was 65 and on death's door. Never have or will buy a gun from them.
Today, I make it a point to be extra gracious, but it does make my day when management comes jogging in to say hello. Those are the days I buy heavy crap I don't need, just so I don't have to carry it out to the parking lot.
When I was around 20 I went into a local store looking to buy a 20ga silver pigeon and as the guy handed me the gun he said "you are going to have to flip a lot of burgers at McDonald's to pay for that.". Took a look at the gun and the price tag then as I handed it back to him I said that it's one weeks paycheck and I will buy it down the street instead.
Peyton Inge A good gun store makes sure you look at what you want & maybe throw in a couple options helping you get the gun you want. Happy customer is a repeat customer. They stay with from start to you buy or sometimes you want to think about it. But good service counts.
YES!!! Commented about one of those guys above. I was looking at a Ruger Precision for about 1700 bucks, and was considering taking it home, but the guy scoffed "That's 1700 bucks" an walked away to talk to some flashy dressed noob window shopping the 300 dollar pistols. Closest and "nicest" gun store in the area - never went back after being treated like that. $10 dollar / hour employee acting like a software engineer "can't afford" a rifle that was the sole focus of my attention that day. Fuck those guys, and fuck any store that tolerates employees acting like that.
I work at a small shop and when someone comes in looking for their first gun I consider it an honor to assist them. I ask 3 questions.
1. What will you be using the firearm for.
2. Have you shot a firearm before.
3. What is your price range.
I show them every thing we have that fits within their criteria. I never let them hold just one gun and let them say "yeah this is ok" I do not push my favorite brand CZ by the way, I point out the features show them how to hold the firearm properly and try to instill basic firearm safety. I want my patrons to feel comfortable with their purchase because they decided it was right and not what I tried to upsell them.
Cz makes a 👍 🔫 and a 👍 price
THAT's how to do it, where is your gunshop located?
@@TheRealNintendoKid Jackson Missouri
Good job
Thank you for being a good person. Your customers will appreciate that . And when you treat people good you have a loyal customer. I know thanks again
You missed the know it all that doesn't "know it all"... Had one tell me that I couldn't convert my glock 22 into a 357 sig. He said that it only converts over to the 9mm then called me a liar when I told him that all I had to do was buy the 357 sig barrel for the conversion. Long story short I returned to the store the next day with the 357 sig barrel in the glock 22 and proved him wrong. He took it to see if it worked then apologized lol was awesome
I bought a gun at a privately owned store in Kansas. I enjoyed every minute being there. The people were friendly and my sales guy was so helpful and explained everything. I had a very positive experience and lots of fun.
How about the "DICK" The guy that gets frustrated with you and talks down on you because you want ask a few questions about a few different guns. I've seen it happen the guy took a deep breathe exhaled with frustration put his hands on his hips looked at me rolled his eyes the customer asked a question he ignorantly gave a 1 word answer. It really chaps my ass when I see that shit.
I look at somebody that looks like they are in charge, and shout, 'Can I have a salesman that isn't a DICK!?'
I get that alot from the people at my gun shops..they automatically jump to conclusions because I'm younger and a minority. I know I can hold my own with shooting and working on my own firearms with the best of them.
Thomas Jefferson lol
Thomas Jefferson All the gun stores around my area is like this. Ask them one simple question and they think your a dumb ass off the street. I will NEVER buy a gun from one of these people. Don't care what the price is.
Especially if you ask about a "different gun" they don't carry in their store.
The commando has had years of experience on call of duty
Fred Legend hey, that game is pretty challenging on *extreme* mode!😂
Ray Whiteside I hope you're not serious.
I went into a local gun store here in NH. 2 guys working the shop; one young guy- know-it-all and an old fart. Those 2 nit-wits I'd say have ALL the characteristics you speak of. I did my home work and got me Smitty SD9 and couldn't be happier. But- no thanks to Those 2 nit-wits...
Ran into one when I was picking up my shotgun it was the weirdest run-in I've ever had
And don't forget the perfect attendance award from Jr ROTC.
You left out "the A-hole"
The guy that knows everything. He is superior to everyone that has ever picked up a gun. Talks down to customers and walks around with his chest puffed out. I have seen these types in 60% of the shops I go in.
Most of the a-holes work at academy
Desert Eagle This is the most common personality type that I have seen at any gun shop. They are continually looking for a way to try to make you feel stupid and feel that they are Gods gift to guns... This is why I won’t go to most gun shops.
Brian hemry or if they even speak to you at all. They act like you’re wasting their time.
Why are these guys so common? How are they allowed to have a gunsmith license?
@@jimhoover7345 buying one there for my girlfriend wasnt the worst experience I ever had but way up there. Looked at us like criminals the whole time. I was there just for her to reference on what to get. She filled out her form and paid the cash because it was hers. I could tell the dude thought she was buying the pistol for her convict boyfriend or something. Very awkward at the least. Made me wanna buy another gun I dont need just to tell him to suck it. I just bit my tounge because she was getting a steal on a Shield and didnt wanna throw a wrench in the situation. Will think twice before buying from them again.
i overheard a conversation in a store once where a customer came in to look at a Hi-Point and the young know it all snob employee told him "dont buy that POS, it is crap, spend the money for a Glock". I listened for a few minutes and had to speak up. I told the kid that the Hi-Point guns fit a certain demographic and are there to fill that need. I actually own one along with many many others and found it to be reliable, although a bit heavy for my taste, but very affordable gun. he laughed and asked why i wasted my money. i told him i didnt waste my money, it was a good deal and i wanted to form my own opinion about them. he then went back to the old save-your-money-and-buy-a-Glock BS. I said let me ask one simple question, "if a single mom with 2 kids on a very limited income had managed to save $200 to buy a gun to protect herself and her kids, would you advise her to buy a Hi-Point or would you tell her dont buy anything until you have saved up $600-$650 for a Glock?" he said he would tell her to save her money and not buy that trash but wait till she could get a Glock. I told him, "this is why everyone hates fanboys, your minds are little and cannot learn, you would send this mom home without family protection for God knows how long because she may work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet and $200 may be all she can come up with. I would gladly sell her a Hi-Point to possibly save herself or her kids from some human fecal specimen, you need to get out of the gun-selling business and advice business because you are a dumbass who isnt smart enough or qualified enough to teach a 6 yr old how to tie a shoe." damn i hate fanboys of any type!
Very well said.
True stuff the hi point Is pretty durable also demolition ranch did a endurance test on it and it lasted
A cheap gun can always be sold later 🤷♂️
Or maybe she gets it...gains confidence...trains with it...finds a hidden talent/passion...starts a Ladies Self Defense class...it becomes successful enough for it to be a business...she then can support herself and her kids and be her own boss...later she can afford that custom Gucci Glock and since she has experience knows exactly what she wants.
She then either trades in that little Hi Point...holds on to it for sentimental reasons, trains her kids on it...or maybe gives it to someone taking her class who is a broke single mom like she was 🤷♂️
@@MiguellaGorilla wow, you really took my comment and ran with it. Nice detailed possibility. I agree with everything except the Gucci Glock part. I don't think changing the trigger, grips, sights, and sometimes the barrel on a new Glock would be considered Gucci. I think changing all of those are pretty much standard for everyone buying a new Glock. At least in my experience with my Glock friends, it is standard.
@@dukhunr fair nuff.
I picked up an H&K handgun at a show and the guy said "we have some guns more suitable for beginners." (a fair judgement for me since I look very young.) He didn't know I've graduated from American Gunsmithing Institute and have visited the H&K headquarters inn Germany
Matt In Illinois you're absolutely correct. I felt a like belittled with my vast experience, but he didn't know who I was
It's ironic that now dealerships (good ones at least!) are some of the best training grounds for salespeople. I worked at two different dealerships for around a year and am absolutely a better salesman but also a better customer because of it!
I grew up shooting with my father and uncle. First Gun was a leaver action 22 and slowly became comfortable with large calibers (223, 308 etc).I walked into a gun store for my first gun. I asked for a Remongton 700 because it's simple and familiar. guy gave me a short barell and I asked for a long barrel. Says to me "Kid if you want to shoot long range stick to Call of Duty." needless to say I was turned off by this attitude and left. Ended up going somewhere else more encouraging and got my 308 SPS. Some shops man really try to put you down
Some gun store are assholes. They wanna sell guns but at the same time have this douchebag attitude.
Another AGI grad here man, I work at a gun shop in sales and gunsmithing nd I personally always try to find the gun they are comfortable with first then go from there above brands and such and always try to get them to hold a few guns before I sell anything unless they are hell bent on a particular one
Good info Colion. I've been doing this for over 50 years. The best thing I can recommend is that a perspective gun buyer go to a store that has a live fire range. If you look, you can find them. There are 4 within a 25 mile radius of my home. But in any case go to the store and try out the guns that you may be interested in. Get some seat time with them. If there aren't any of these facilities around you, hire a qualified instructor. Gun salesmen are in it to make money. Instructors are usually a lot more interested in helping you. Do some leg work and be aggressive and you'll make out fine. Remember, firearm preference is a very personal matter. TAKE YOUR TIME.
topgun1962 To add to this - many range/stores will comp your range time and rental fees if you buy a gun same day. (Sorry for the 2 year old reply)
The bartender: ignores you for 20 minutes until you wave money in their face.
Yes, had lots of experience with this type.
Oh yes, its something ive delt with many times in Houston. I just end up leaving.
Yes!!!!!
Love it!!!
Absolutely. Sometimes I go in knowing exactly what I want and have to wait until they stop talking amongst each other and have to be forced to do their job. I may ask to hold a couple of guns and they act like I’m creating such a burden for their lives.
I agree with the comments about the “grump” salesperson...acts like they are doing you a favor showing you a gun!
My first time buying a gun was great, I didn't know what I was looking for in terms of home defense, the sales man then asked me questions, like:
what would you say your comfort level is with a kick back in hand your hand or on the shoulder?
Have you ever shot a gun?
What kind of budget are you looking at?
He basically asked me questions and arrived at several different brands and models. Unfortunately the store did not sell any of what he recommended except 1 but recommended that I go to another store that was not with in their chain and look at the other recommended guns.
That was something I appreciated.
He cared more about a happy customer than profit which is what a salesman should do
He actually said "kick back" instead of "recoil"?
@@flintymcduff5417 why not? You knew what he meant and to someone unfamiliar with guns that might make more sense than the word recoil, which normally used to mean shy away
Now that I'm retired from DoD, I work in a gun store to keep busy and supplement my retirement income. I may be fooling myself, but I like to think I try to help each customer find the gun that's right for them. I own, use, and most importantly appreciate many different types of guns: 1911s; Glocks and other polymer-framed striker-fired guns; CZ; double-action and single-action revolvers; ARs and other 'tactical' type rifles; pistol-caliber carbines; defensive-type shotguns; and long-range precision rifles. I admit that I'm not an expert on sporting shotguns like over-and-unders, and am not as expert as I could be on all sporting (i.e. hunting) cartridges. While I admit a preference for higher-end guns, I appreciate affordable and functional firearms (love the Ruger American rifles and most other Ruger products). I do try to steer customers away from the extreme low end, especially the cheaper 1911s and off-brands which have a poor reputation, and especially the very cheap Chinese-made optics. If after talking with the customer I feel that the best choice for them may be something we don't carry or don't have in stock, I will let them know that. I want that customer to have something that suits their needs, and that they'll be happy with.
William Waddell
If they think they need a gun for self defense... don’t steer them away from owning a firearm...
a gun that might work 80% of the time is 100% better than none at all!!!
They can always upgrade later!!!
Yeah man that's just good salesmanship.
Be honest, moral, and admit when you aren't sure about something but do your best to find out for them or the next guy.
Not gonna lie I used to work at a walmart in electronics and I would tell parents trying to buy video games to head across the street to the gamestop.
The prices are halved of what Wal-Mart asks and for parents trying to buy gifts around the holidays every cent counts.
I don't feel any shame in this, I was helping people and if Wal-Mart wanted to make sales maybe they shouldn't charge ridiculous prices banking on uninformed & hardworking people who want to make their kids happy.
You sound like a good salesperson.
@@stevenbacon-cheddar9914 I am a shit salesman 100% and I don't feel any shame about that.
I am better at helping people solve real problems in real ways, not throwing their money at pointless bullshit that will only set them back.
The way I saw it is if I could minimize their expenditure or at least give them more bang for their buck, it was a good day.
Working at walmart made me feel sick every day I was alive.
All it made me want to do was help people become more independent and self reliant.
Can't go wrong with an Amrcor built 1911 if you like 1911s. Great value and bet your life on it functionality.
I had one of those commando types try to get me to purchase an AR15 after I told them I just need gun for concealed carry LOL
+Joeyal123 And the moral of the story/video/free market is JUST SELL THE CUSTOMER WHAT THEY WANT, THAT YOU FUCKING OFFER.
Did you ever want a long gun by the way?
No I prefer glocks
+Joeyal123 Wear baggy pants, I guess.
plus I prefer AK's to AR15's LOL
+wahr01 LMAO!
You forgot my favorite the ‘gun encyclopedia’ he knows everything about every gun in their store and guns that aren’t there and can point out ones you don’t know even exist and it’s all accurate with minimal biased or reserved biased opinion.
I've got a friend like that. lol.
MOST guys behind the counter dont know that much about guns, MOST cops/military/peoples friends dont either. Always ask the silent dude rolling his eyes If you want the real scoop.
Not always true. Yes, I know some cops and military people who aren't even that interested in guns so all they know is what they learned in basic training. But the eye rolling guy is not always an expert either, some of those guys have rolled their eyes when I was talking and I gave them an opportunity to correct what they thought was inaccurate and they had nothing. Just wanted to act superior but then they looked scared once someone asked them to speak up.
Main thing is some people are VERY knowledgeable on guns and you would never know it (middle aged woman pulling up in a minivan) and then some commandos don't know shit.
im going to gunsmithing school in AZ and as a Marine i was blown away by how much information, different types of systems and methods there were for firing a weapon and making them too
I'm to the point of only making on-line purchases for this reason. I'd love to shop local, but I've been to the local shops. One guy tries to tell me charter arms revolvers are better than smith and wesson, next place, a guy gives me a paper quote that's 100 over what bud's lists it for. Next place tries to sell me on an ammo brand I don't want, next place tries to sell me a taurus 9mm magazine for 53$. I get it that the major retailers are killing the small businesses, but damnit! In a lot of ways they're killing themselves with all the bs.
1) first rule is Comfortable in your Hands. I don't go beyond that point. Everything could be awesome but if it's not Comfortable it's not any good to you
Hows that high point working for you
@TCB it actually is a very important factor in choosing. By your response you sound like a gun snob who buys guns to try and look cool if you even own a gun that is.
@TCB I never said you dont need to consider the reliability and able to perform the task did I? I said it being comfortable in your had is an important factor because it is. If a gun does not feel good in your hands you wont shoot as well and that makes it kinda difficult to perform the task you need it to so yea it's pretty important. When you just say fuck being comfortable to that guys comment you make yourself out to sound like a ass.
@TCB you are an idiot if the gun is not comfortable in your hand you wont get a proper grip because you are going to want to keep re positioning your hand I mean come on you cant be this stupid. And I dont believe for a second you dont take that into consideration like you go into a shop find a good gun that's reliable but feels like shit in your hand but you say fuck I will get it who does that shit if you do than you are an idiot plain and simple. Now goodbye Mr. Gun snob have a good life bud.
If you will rarely if ever train then go with comfort. If you plan on training like you should with lots of time spent drawing and dry firing, you'll get used to it. And it's worth it to get the most reliable weapon. Reliability first.
Don't forget Dr. Xbox, the guy whose expertise comes entirely from playing video games.
+Vlad Piranha AKA the COD kid or the xX#360N0$C0P3RXx
+Edward Cullen Can't put a number or a money sign in your name. n00b.
Vlad Piranha still better than the airsoft freaks go to gun shops and call all the "real weapons" real steal and Bitch about the lack of airsoft guns. I shit you not one time I was listening to this cat tell me about his custom AR that he spent almost 1009 dollars just in after markets (he really said that) then he said 2 things I'll never forget. First being "bro you wanna check it out?? It isn't one of those pussy electric Guns. Mine has gas and shoots like a real one. WTF BRO?? Then when I was showing him my real AR bad this little fudge packin dick warmer said "ya I prefer mine cause it's like tan and shit. Kill me
You should carry akimbo G18s.
Many of those airsoft guys, who have "fought" for months in vacant lots, believe they are active duty, home on leave!!
Bill Burr has a funny stand up bit about a gun store strip he made. I think it was more of the "Commando" type. He wanted something for home defense and the guy was pushing a shotgun on him. He said, "You don't even have to aim this puppy, just point at where ever the bad guy is and BOOM! Problem solved!" Burr said, "We'll I'm really not looking to do any drywall work, just something practical."
"It's got a good spread".
Joseph Cocchiola some buckshot can penetrate very well. Check out the tests they did on bird/buck on truthaboutguns website.
Blake Wrobbel go with the most powerful round known to mankind: 22 rat shot. That will take care of any problem that walks through your door. Just make sure there’s nothing you don’t want to destroy behind it. I hear you can take out entire city blocks with it.
Just pepper him up a lil bit
Joe Biden made the same comment in 2008 in regards to a gun for women for self defense... "You don't need to aim it... Just firing it will scare away a criminal "...
taking my girlfriend to the range for the first time.... Teaching her about gun safety then the mechanics of my Glock. Show her how to load a mag, press check, rack the slide etc..... Enter gun shop commando.
Gun shop commando- That is incorrect never use the slide catch to release the slide always rack it
Me- I was taught that it was a slide release and could be utilized or you could rack
Commando- You are wrong and are teaching your girlfriend bad habits, the Glock is a combat weapon and should be taught by someone with combat experience like me, never use the slide catch it wears out your gun.
Me- umm ok I really appreciate your input however I'm not too worried about damaging the "slide catch" as I can afford to fix it and since other pistols have "slide releases" I would like to teach her how to use them so she has a more broad knowledge
Cammando- Im sure you mean no harm but you need to learn more about the Glock platform as it is a serious combat weapon.... are you the type of guy that carries with no round in the chamber as well?
Me- I keep it under my bed I carry very rarely
Commando- well you have a lot to learn if you have any questions feel free to ask and I would be happy to show your girlfriend how to operate a pistol correctly if she would like
Very uncomfortable situation that I feel did very little to teach myself or my girlfriend anything and was more centered on stroking his ego and hitting on my girl in a very strange way.
I didn't mention to him when he said "combat experience" that I am a vet and have served over 2 1/2 years in Iraq but I feel now that I should have.
This was only one of many weird and uncomfortable experiences we have had at this store and they always seem to be much worse when I bring my girlfriend with me. I will post later about our experience of buying her first gun.
How freakin annoying is that clown?! It sounds like it wasn't a genuine attempt at being helpful, but an opportunity to belittle you in front of your girlfriend.
"Look at me! I'm billy badass! Ol' Joe combat here....
(Doubtful)
One thing I always say is, if we're not supposed to use the slide catch, then why the hell do they make it that way
Alex Moore On my 1911 depending on ammo, racking it, it'll usually jam, slide release no jam (initial loading)
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***** Yea. Any chance a guy like that can get to make you look bad...he'll take it. I think it's more they just want to look good in front of a pretty girl. When I bring my wife to the range you should see all the advice and help she gets. Just practice the "Nod and Smile" accompanied with the " Yea, OK, I didn't know that" be the bigger man...it's all good
Replace gun with any significant purchase. These personality types are ubiquitous in a retail setting. I like how Colin emphasized that it’s a process and that you’re dealing with people.
All of these types are what keep me from gun shops. Buying local isn't what it use to be.
Where do you go? Down on the street corner?
Ken Uber I like the trunk of the local arms dealer he always got the good deals
Yup, I ordered my first gun at Sportmans warehouse online, the staff was very professional when i picked it up , answered all my questions (that I was embarrassed to ask the local gun shop workers because they talked to me like an idiot).
I went to a store in Lawrenceville, GA yesterday to purchase two guns; a rifle and a pistol. The pistol was a .50AE desert eagle that my girlfriend wanted after shooting mine a several times. I am former military and have been an avid shooter since I was 5, I know my guns. The guy behind the counter was the biggest douche I have ever met. He proceeded to passive-aggressively bash the living hell out of both of us for even considering this pistol, acted as if I knew nothing about my own gun, and generally behaved as if he was god's gift to both firearms and women. I reluctantly bought it for her only because it was the only IWI DE I could find without having to drive halfway across the state. After the background check was approved I casually informed him and the owner that I was the guy who had also called in earlier that day requesting that the Barrett M107 and a Leopold mark 4 be put on hold for purchase and that this asshole was the reason that their Barrett will probably stay on the shelf for a while longer. To all gun industry employees out there, the moral is don't be a dick because you never know when someone is going to come in ready to drop a decent chunk of cash in your lap.
I don't get commission, so I get paid whether you buy something or not, with that being said I'm generally more than happy to help anyone that doesn't treat me like an idiot teen/personal slave.
Dennis Romero Jr. "Dealing with the public" has more than one meaning. But, you already know that, so why your remarks: "doesn't treat me like an idiot teen/personal slave"?
Maybe you might want to look through last year's sales and see which ones you'd like to strike off because the buyer didn't treat you like you would have liked.
I don't get business owners like my late brother for instance who literally hated his customers and "profiled them" before they got in the door if he happened to look through the window and see them coming . And, he was right more often than not, but he owned a nice house with no mortgage, paid cash for a brand new pickup, etc. I used to envy him but I think he fretted himself to death at age 66 over predictable things that, in the long run, did not matter one little bit. By contrast, his widow is still with us at 88. She never took the same poison as he did. lol
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Betting it was Bullseye in Lawrenceville.
geoh7777 I understand where you're coming, I am in the customer service industry after all. Honestly in the last year or so it would only be about 4 customers lost, 4 customers who just had absolutely no respect. Without respect you're not getting very far with any of us, we obviously still help you because it's our job, but not because we want to. And we do have employees who profile people as they walk up sometimes, its more of a game to us, not making fun of or hating them, just to see what we can get right lol
I bet it was a late 20s kinda chubby dude. Last time I went there, he purposely answered our questions so indirectly. I have never had so many of my questions answered with idiotic questions in my life.
I hate the arrogant elitist gun shop owner. That's who runs the one near me. If you don't know every last detail about every gun and every caliber ever made, he'll talk down his nose at you like he's not worth your time.
DesolatorMagic I work at a gun store/range. Thankfully most guys are awesome
I ran into one of these at a cabelas. I was showing my buddy a p229 telling him he should look at it for one of the options for his first edc. The shop guy starts talking shit saying edc should only have a glock style safety and this and that. Fucking hated that shit
DesolatorMagic do you live in Santa Maria?
DesolatorMagic there’s one by me. If your not a cop, or a veteran, your worthless. I’ll spend my money elsewhere.
Dan Reno I live near Santa Maria- pretty sure I know exactly who you are talking about!
Colin, I support everything that you're doing. I'm a retired 18 zulu from the army with over 20 years of service. As a weapons specialist I've tried to educate everyone who asks about firearms and firearm safety. I carry a modified 1911 cocked and locked at all times and recently was able to educate someone as to why. You however try to teach everyone about guns and gun safety. I applaud you for that. Makes me want to do more. Thank you.
Do your OWN research for recommendations. Do not trust a store salesperson knows what they talking about.
+BikerBry
Very true ! One thing I've learned in life is be very careful when asking for advise. You're simply getting someone's opinion and no one no You better than You.
I have always done my own research, I like to know as much as I can about what I'm doing. It's a staple in my life that I use everyday for everything.
Take care BikerBry.
+Andrew James the problem with that is, there is so much shitty information out there. Read half the posts on the internet, they will constantly tell you, "Glock, Glock, Glock....". This is such bad advice for EDC for many purposes.
I've had a douch swear to me that my Brazilian clone is a PSG1 and is worth 12k. I was like dude, I've been to Germany and been to a Heckler & Koch armament. Think it'd know a PSG1 when I see it
Truth, I had a salesman tell me than a Kimber 1911 was not a "1911" because he did not realize a 1911 was the type of gun, not the name of the gun
Also a lot of gun shops get special deals or have relationships with some manufacturers over others. That's why they're trying to steer you towards certain brands or guns. Like one shop near me has a relationship with Glock, and they try to really push those and give better deals on those.
My least favorite gun store Clark is the stand offish one. You ask to see a gun and he just hands it to you and you try to talk to him about the type of gun your looking for and he's just not interested. I mean I do alot of research before I buy a gun normally, but I want someone to offer a new perspective.
Tbeezious The great I love when they show you other guns in that price range and caliber. It helps a lot.
You forgot about the really helpful and knowledgeable employee that gives good advice
Good shot Marlon! There are people behind the counter who know their shit!
He means people to watch out for, not those people who can help you.
Yer but there rare
He also forgot to talk about unicorns.
They are rare
I’m happy the folks at my local gun shop are nice, open minded, and legitimately want people to pick guns they are comfortable with in a friendly manner.
The genuinely helpful person. (Long story warning). I have multiple gun shops in my town and I have one I strictly avoid because when I was first learning about guns I walked in there and they looked at me like I shouldn't be there as well as talked to me like I was stupid for not knowing. a few years back I bought my girlfriend a S&W SDVE 9 and went to shoot it at that location (closest to my house by at least 30 minutes), when the man at the counter was checking out the box the gun cake in. I asked if he'd like to see it (the gun), and his reply was, "nah that's the cheap one" which still bothers me to this day because that was a lot of money to me at the time and I still consider that a significant amount. That being said, the shop I choose to give my business to is a bit out of my way but those people are willing to converse hours with you and give you pros/cons on countless guns and even let you shoot them at no cost to rent if youre really interested. They taught me a good ount of what I currently know and they are still a joy to talk to because they love guns and helping people. Those are the people you'll never forget about.
I have SDVE 9mm as well and has put more than 3000 rounds down range with that firearm. It was my 1st, it was extremely reliable and fun to shoot. Don't worry about what that "douchebag" has to say.
I encountered what can only be named "The Patriot". Someone who's happy that a person is interested in exercising their 2nd Amendment rights and is helpful in all stages of gun selection. The Patriot will urge you to get your CCP, train, take classes and become better educated. I consider myself lucky to have run into him. He's the only guy I go to now.
I wish they were all that way. As a female who has always loved guns but havent had as much time as id like getting to know more about different ones, i typically run into the gun snob who demeans me or just plain ignores me. I think the patriot should be the attitude they all have!!
Margaritas & Namaste as a fellow gun enthusiast I cringe at the horror stories I've heard from friends. it's a shame that anyone would be ignored like yourself. I truly have a passion for the gun and would love to share my experience and knowledge without ever being condescending to anyone who has less experience than I.
Another type I wish was at the local shops here.
I actually met an owner who acted like every single customer was a complete waste of his time. I'm friends with his son, who's trying his best to keep the doors open, but that dad of his... Look up the reviews for Kens Guns in Tifton, GA. Its sad but true
Justin Thompson Jesus Christ that dude is going to run that store in the ground
Justin Thompson I’ve been there before they don’t want black people in there I hope they go outta business
I looked up the reviews just out of morbid curiosity. Other than the obvious "bot" reviews, the description is accurate. Sounds like Ken is a racist asshole. It seems like a race between who will die first. The old man or the business.
Justin Thompson adel outfitters are the same way my dad lives down there
Schweddy Ballz how do u go about deciding on what blacks are rude and disrespectful it’s like at that store they don’t even give u a chance I’m not gonna patronize a businesses and beg a white man to take my money
I've encountered every one of those personalities at gun shops. I ended up finding my favorite place to buy from because of their "Here To Help" personalities among the owners and the employees. I owned several pistols, shotguns, and hunting rifles, but wasn't overly familiar with the AR platform, and stopped in to take a look at a few of them. These folks were amazing in that they didn't trash brands, and didn't try to get me to buy a $3,000 gun. They asked what my budget was, and walked me through every AR they had in that price point. I bought one from them that day, and have bought more than 10 firearms from them since (3 of which are AR's). I became so familiar to them that they now know me by name, and anytime they get an oddball collectible piece in, I get a friendly "Hey Mike, we know you're into these types of guns for collection purposes and just got such and such in on consignment. Wanna stop by and see what you think of it?" call. They even helped my mother through every aspect of choosing a firearm after she had a bad experience with a shop closer to her house. Mom was pressured by this other shop towards a gun that was almost twice as much as she was willing to spend, plus it didn't feel right in her hands. When I brought her to the store I buy from, she was greeted with a handshake and formal introduction, then they listened to what she wanted and what her budget was, and walked her through 9 different choices. She asked "What do you recommend?" And their response was perfect "We recommend whatever you feel the most confident with, and what feels the most comfortable in your hand." Love that shop enough that I took a PT job a few hours a week helping out behind the counter.
This was helpful, especially for a newb like me who just bought my first gun. Decided to go with the full-size Glock.
Always go full-size.
Not a bad first gun. They’re a little clunky, but reliable. Like an old truck, it doesn’t look special but it gets the job done
@Tony B capacity over power any day
OMG how could you buy a pos like that. Just kidding. Great all around gun.
@Tony B Of course. Caliber wars are stupid, frankly. Do what you want.
Several years ago when I first started getting into firearms, I went to a local gun store with the intention of buying my first moderately priced gun. The salesman I encountered was so intimidating, and I was so nervous that I ended up purchasing a Sig Ultra Compact pistol (he was really pushing that Sig) for over $1k. which was way over my budget. I walked out of the store that day dazed and confused. Learned a lot since then. Now I thoroughly research the gun I'm interested in and buy on line.
I've had a guy recommend that I buy a P365, P938 or P238 as my self-defence handgun. All of them are SIGs and I know he's just trying to give good advise but SIGs are quite expensive.
These are examples of negative type salespersons, but what about the positives?
I've got an example: The Realtor (you'll get the analogy, lemme explain)
The "Realtor" is the type of salesman who you give him your parameters (budget, type, brand, caliber) and they'll do their best in giving you a good range of options based upon your parameters. Take for analogy example, I want a house with a 3 car garage, 4 bedrooms, nice yard and a good neighborhood. The realtor will work on finding "the one". Now apply that to the "Realtor" gun salesman. I go into a gun shop, and say *"I want a nice rifle, for deer hunting. I'm thinking something with a nice punch, good range of options for scopes, I've got a budget for $750 max, and I really like Remington's"*. Then the salesman looks around the shop, gathers a couple rifles, and explains them inside and out. *"The R700 is a very popular "deer rifle", comes in many calibers, has a lot of aftermarket support, gets the job done well for a decent price. The 30-30 WIN cartridge is a great deer cartridge, it's taken more deer than any other caliber. The Marlin 336 is a great .30-30, optimal for rails and scopes, and you can't beat the .30-30."* After a nice, pleasant conversation, you decide "I'll take this one", and have a good experience in the shop, and soon recommending people you know to that salesman. The "Realtor" is the salesman that when you leave the shop, you have a smile on your face and a rifle on your back.
+Ur Afail
Never had a positive experience with gun salesmen.. Typically they're the "douchebag"
+Mogs01gt
What is the common factor in all your dealings with gun salesmen?
looking at used guns, being pushed high end product that isnt what I was looking for...
And the really helpful ones. I've had two so far going over things in detail with my wife, not pushing but giving honest advice. I just stood back and listened, waiting for the bs alarm to go off, never did! We didn't buy, but when she finds one she likes, we'll be buying from one of those two!
+Ur Afail There's a shop like that by my house, and it's awesome. (triple J in littleton) I've been building an AR as money allows. I'll go in, everyone there has experience cause they predominately sell AR's. I know I can get a better price online, but it's marginal. Say I'm looking for a BCG, charging handle, and they'll pull out a few, talk about their basic ones, talk through the advantages of better parts, drawbacks, etc.
Working in the auto industry we do the same thing. If you give a person one choice it's sort of all or nothing. If you give them three choices, they're more likely to choose one of those instead of nothing.
I also really respect when an employee admits a lack of knowledge or experience with a specific product or piece. They don’t try to BS you and go ask some other employee. Someone that always has an answer for everything is usually full of shit
"I need a hunting rifle" GLOCK FANBOY: get a Glock 19. 10/10 logic
I do like Glocks but Glock fanboys are annoying. The worst are 1911 fanboys.
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That deer won’t fuck with you ever again if you go glock
Nah, you'd want a Glock 40 for that.
No I would use my glock 34 with a red dot sight for hunting
Here, Here! Outstanding commentary. I have tried to explain this to employees for years. The two dominant types we have in my store are the fan and the douchebag. I preach all the time, "Never trash talk a product just because you think your too good for it." And I tell em "I know you love your XD and have three of them, but even though it's the perfect gun for you it's not for everybody that walks in the door."
This commentary should be mandatory viewing for all gun store employees. I can tell you this, it's now mandatory in my store.
Thanks again.
Don't forget the Fudd. They only hunt and don't understand the concept of semi auto rifles or tactical firearms. This is almost in every gun store in Canada.
+Danzo DaManzo Eastern Canada maybe, but western Canadian gun stores have become call-of-duty central since the whole tactical scene exploded in popularity :p
All I seem to see now are Tavors, ruger sr 22s and mini 14s, mossberg 590s and mvps, vz 58s, ar 15s, sps tacticals, savage BAs, benelli M4s and MR1s, Beretta Cx4s, Jr carbines, M14s, sks, etc.
Solid observation, well said. As a firearm safety instructor the advise I give my students that haven't purchased their own personal defensive tool(s) as of the time of our talking is for them to hit a gun show or two, touch EVERYTHING (ask permission first), YOUR gun will fit YOUR hand; you will be able to reach all the controls comfortably. You will be able to understand the form /function and should feel as a natural extension of your arm. I've handled all sorts of firearms, they will each accomplish the same task "defending you and your family"; take your time and select the one that works for you. Take care, be safe and God bless.
I would add... renting guns and test firing them. I took almost 8 months researching and test firing different handguns, watching videos learning the ins and outs of different systems before making my first purchase. In that time I fell in and out of love with a lot of styles.
What did you test fire, and what did you get in the end?
One more for you. The good old boys gun store. The one that you walk into and they won’t say boo to you. I’ve been standing in line at one of these gun stores to talk to a sales person. There’s a person behind me in line. Who happens to know the owner or the guy behind the counter. I get skipped right over as the guy looks around me to talk to his buddy behind me and pretty much pushes me out of line.I refuse to go to those stores.
2 words, excuse me, another 2 words Hello friend, the good ol boys give and earn attention the same way they do respect. When you are shy and don't speak up or ask for or demand respect or attention and you don't simply come in asking for what you want you barely exist.
Nah just take your business somewhere else.
Stood in line with a number at the only san bernardino city gun store. When my number was called, I would like two boxes of 308... sorry we don't have any. Hey George how you doing? Would you have ..... as he walks away. I am guessing that they only need business from their friends. Didn't go back for years.
That was a few years ago. Stopped in this week to see if they had powder funnels. No, and only one customer.
I know how you feel the closest gun store to me the owner is an asshole if he don’t know you he makes you feel like you’re wasting his time to sell you a $800 gun or sometime I won’t ever buy another gun there
FLY2FLYFISH we gotta lot of those in the Atlanta adventure outdoors governors gun club in Pauling county
I'll never forget getting a Old Spice behind the counter. I wanted to buy 556 ammo and a gift for a friends new AR. He basically refused to tell me if he had any in stock (ammo was behind the counter so couldn't see too well) because he had a bunch of 223 and how it is the same thing. Yes, it basically is, yes it will go though fine in his rifle, yes I know about the differences but its not what I want. I want to buy 556. After about 5 minutes of telling him I'm not going to buy 223 because it is not what I want I just had to leave empty handed.
Maybe talk about ammo snobs next!
I got a Ruger SR40C....dont like it! Should have gotten the 9 instead, it's a it too heavy for every day carry and has a bit too much kick for me. The guy behind the counter was very big on .40cal vs. 9mm. Next time I'll get exactly what I want instead of listening to the guy behind the counter! 🇺🇸
I have a SR9E and it shoots great. Cheap
I already owned rifles but had never bought a handgun. For years I always thought "if I ever buy a handgun Im gonna either buy a .38 revolver or if I go semi auto, its definitely gonna be a .40 cal. and BOTH of these were because of what different friends had told me were THE guns to have and carry. EVERYONE told me to skip over the .380.
Well a couple months ago I finally decided to buy my first handgun and I walked out with a Shield 9mm EZ because I liked it in my hands. Then about a week ago I went back and bought a Bodyguard .380! 😂😂
@matt Harvey That's mine, too! As much as I love that big beast, I prefer my little LCP for actual "going to town" carry.
At my range... The wife of the owner is an active member of staff. She started hinting at the quality of my Hi Point. I told her i was perfectly comfortable with what i had paid and what i ended up with. We dont have those discussions any longer. I still love that couple. They are good folks who just wanted to make sure i was aware of jamming issues.
Ok... I did finally buy a revolver... Lol 1962 High Standard Double Nine in severe need of refinishing.(new black barrel and magazine. Frame in DIRE need.) I love this thing. Try your luck. I can hold a 2 inch pattern with much magazine emptying rapidness.
You forgot the small time store owner: he has 10 pistols and maybe 15 rifles in stock and tries to justify marking up his high point $100 over msrp because "he has to cover his overhead".
+Ryan Emery How about this for A-hole shop owner? Years back I witnessed a salesman try to sell a Ruger P89 to a customer for what sounded like a fair price... until he proceeded to tell them that the speed loader and cable lock were $5 each, the plastic case was $10, the extra mag was $20, and finally the most egregious thing of all, wanted to charge $50 for a manufacturers warranty!
Thats every local shop in New Jermany (NJ)
+Ryan Emery or the one that you need a repair on, they've had for 4 months, don't answer their phone, close and take the day off whenever they feel like it, and when you can finally stop by they're "looking for your part but having trouble" and they're both sitting around shooting the shit when you come in. I don't expect 100% dedication to only my gun but holy shit you're trying to tell me in the age of the internet you can't find a transfer block online?
Assuming that the 500 rounds of 303 british ammo was worth $300, that sounds like a 65% markup.
If the ammo wasn't part of the final deal, then it's only a 27% markup.
How much do you think the shop owner was going to sell the ammo for ?
I estimated a value of $300 for the ammo based off a google search:
So that means the markup was $550 :
$rifle + $ammo - $cost = $550 + $300 - $300 = $550.
In other words: he marked it up $550 from $300 to a grand total of $850.
In terms of percentages (markups are often calculated in terms of the final retail price, not with respect to the initial cost), that's 65% :
$markup / $total_retail * 100 =
$550 / $850 * 100 = 64.7% ~ 65%
But yeah, in terms of the $300 cost, the shop owner was almost able to triple his money.
I was just trying to lay out the facts before taking a position. You sound more knowledgeable on the subject and better able to make a determination on if the shop owner was ripping the customer off.
I know im commenting on a 7 year old video, but this just proves hoe valuable the information in the video is.
I just want to warn anyone new to guns about the person I think is the worst kind of gun salesman, and this person doesn't even work there (or at any gun store for that matter) but probably spends more time at that store than most employees. I'm talking about the "all knowing" pro customer. He is the customer that just hangs out in the store. He isn't there to buy. He is either friends with an employee or ownerr, or the employees are too polite to tell him he can't habg out.
He will wait until the phone rings, or someone else asks the salesperson a question, or for you to make eye contact with him. DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH 5HIS PERSON!!! as he will see it as you asking him his opinion, which he is a agearly waiting to give. He will swoop in and completely take over, toelling the salesperson to pull out guns you didn't ask about from the case. This guy has information on every gun that cant be verified because the manufacturer, gun store, or any employee never mention or talk about anything even related to the information he's spouting doesn't.
This guy won't even ask if you like a gun. In his mind his knowledge is so above everyone else's he feels he knows what gun is perfect for what person and if he's able to get you to hold that gun he will turn to the salesperson and say something like "go ahead and ring this sale up, looks like I found Another perfect match." and he will move right i to pitching you holsters and every mod possible for that gun.
Don't walk out.... Run from this person!
I’ve dealt with this lol.
The "You are bothering me" guy. When you ask them a question, they look at you like you are bothering them and that you are an idiot for not knowing.
Are you sure it's not just you being "The bothersome dude"? :)
Yeah. I'm pretty sure that if there is a gun I haven't seen before and want to know what it is, the guy who is supposed to be trying to sell me something shouldn't act like a douche.
mattxr2i Haha, I have experienced this before and agree with you
(okay, i'm a long story teller, you don't have to read this if this is too long) if you subscribe to iraqveteran8888, you might have gotten an insight into some of the people like this, it is likely to be they have so many people who are the "safety hazard" type (waving the gun around pointing it at people), that they just get irritated with dealing with the ignorance of people (even though they still like guns and informing/teaching, they get tired).
I had a dealing with this, since at one point I didn't know most guns had drop safe firing pins (spring to hold firing pin back). After I unloaded my gun (that I brought to find out why my garage door opened at 3 a.m. when I was supposed to be alone, and called my family to make sure they didn't come home), there was a light pin mark on the firing cap of the chambered bullet, enough to get me worried I could have had a drop fire that night (in this case the bolt dropped and not the gun dropped). It was an older gun (60's and quite used), so I went to a gunsmith to have it checked out, especially because I've been advised by my grandfather to not let the bolt on guns drop quickly if I can, because a drop fire could happen. The gunsmith definitely had the attitude you described toward me, almost as if he was tired of people not knowing this kind of stuff (the gun wan't capable of a drop fire). Although he did have a reason to, because the mark on the firing cap wasn't because of the gun, it was because I had a dud shell cycle back into my fresh bullets and end up on the chambered round I was planning to use to defend myself. If he had an "your an idiot" attitude, he was definitely justified to that! I'm not too proud of that moment. But gun newbies aren't going to be very encouraged to learn with that "your bothering me, your an idiot" attitude.
+huntingmachine1: I still think that's sort of a complex issue which there could be a ton of variables revolving around. So, I wouldn't think that was a simple black and white issue automatically making you "some type of idiot, how could you not know what is so obvious". Not knowing basic gun safety, like waving a gun around at people in a gun store (or ever) deserves this type respect, but certainly a concerned customer that is experiencing a confusing, abnormal gun or ammo issue does not deserve that treatment, IMO.
Mr. Noir :
PLEASE seriously consider a run for President in 2024.
You possess every trait needed for the leader of the greatest nation on earth.
Dude he knows guns. He’s a leader but for the 2A. You need more than that for a president.
Depends on who else is running tbh.
He’s also a lawyer and has a strong personality and even temperament.
I agree. Mr. Noir would be a fine President. He has the people's rights held first and is down to earth. If Trump can do It so can you Mr. Noir. I'd vote for you.
I agree I will vote let's just write him in everyone just write him in as president
I’d vote for Colion Noir long before I’d ever vote for Kanye !!!
how bout the gun store guys who think ur criminal. n over check your identfication. and start rapping off whats illegal and legal when you didnt ask. (implying your intenting on breaking law) smh
xRawburtx I understand that but it normally happens when you’re a younger person typically 18-22 years old they act like I’m going to go on a mass murder spree or something it’s pretty intimidating getting asked a million questions and makes people not want to return
I'm a non felon covered in tattoos, i own many guns all purchased from firearm retailers. I definitely get overlooked and eyeballed when I'm at almost any gun or sporting good store. I don't browse anymore because of it, I simply know what i want and throw down the cash. It's the world we live in.
@@xRawburtx baby? Worked up? Nope to both of those. Just don't enjoy the experience.
Real question: do you come in speaking clearly or and/dressed well? I have exposed tattoos, longer hair, facial hair, but I speak clearly and I'm always treated well.
@@denmanfite3156 it depends where you are I'm a young white dude with no tattoos or anything and I get looked over several times
When you said old Fart I had to laugh because I said the same thing about the polymer guns being lighter and the old Fart said "Listen here Son Have you ever been pistol whipped!!! ?" I replied no Sir
and he said in a fire fight if I run outta bullets I'd rather bust you upside the head with some heavy metal than a piece of plastic!! I laughed so hard I think a squirt of piss may have come out.Lmao
Anyways good video sir :)
I like that you edited this video down to cover the key salient information. So many other gun videos you have to sit through what seems like hours of rambling about useless babble. This was concise and useful. Goo job, and yes, you nailed a lot of the personalities I have encountered.
This is why I only go to the gun store when I know exactly what gun I’m looking for. I research guns that appeal to me & then I come on here at watch lots of videos of ppl like yourself using that gun to do a review video. In fact that’s how I found your channel original when I was looking at reviews on the M&P 9mm 2.0 where you were walking down the middle of walking down this road with tired stacked and cars sitting there. And I enjoyed your thoughtful insight on the gun and that you were giving honest feed back on it on you likes and dislikes of the gun. Once I find a gun that appeals to me and watch tons of RUclips reviews on said gun, I’ll go to a gun shop to see how it feels in my hand. If majority of the reviews were positive and the gun feels good in my hand I usually buy it if the price is right. But I forgot to mention I usually call most of the gun shows around my area to find out if it’s in stock and the price. Which ever shop has the best price gets my business. Saves time having to deal with those ppl you just talked about in this video.
Beware the dude with the operator beard.
yeah bc he's a sheep that knows nothing but to follow orders?
Yep adds 10% to the price
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I’ve never heard that term but I already know what you mean. I sense cockiness in seeing these individuals already lol 😂
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"The Eye Candy" a young, usually attractive female who has almost no idea about any weapon behind the counter, and usually sucks at her job, but is clearly there because the owner wanted something pretty to draw in customers. . . I think this one bugs me the most...
Thats a "Gun Bunny"
Don't lie.... you like the "Eye Candy". ;-)
my favorite ! I just stare at their beauty and their booty and ignore what the say bc I'm not an idiot on guns but I am an expert in ladies 😆
You know it. There is no better place to go shopping for Gun Bunnies than the local ranges and dedicated gun shops. What they wear is who they are.
Just ran into one today..
I bought my first gun when I was 19. I went to a nearby small gun shop, and asked the owner for some reference material to help me chose a gun (this was in the early 80's before the internet), and took some books and magazines home.
I returned a few days later having made some tentative decisions. There was some young cocky guy wearing a quick draw holster at the counter. I went to him and said "I want to buy and gun and could use some help." He replied with disdain "let me guess, you want a Glock 9." I was ready to pull him over the counter and teach him a lesson in being polite.
This was back in the day when 9mm was Hollywood popular, the ammo was still junk, and Glock was still having issues with reliability. I was divided between .357mag or a 1911.
A Noobie picked up the phone when I called about beginner lessons. He was sooooo whiny. He threw a little tantrum just because I wanted to know when the instructor would be back from vacation.
“He’ll be back next week.”
Me: “You sure? The guy last week said the same thing.”
“Man, idk. He’ll be back when he’s back.”
Me: “Okay, but when is that?”
“Idk.”
Me: “Well can you go find out?”
“Look, guess you’ll just have to call again next week.”
I was blown away by this lol. What a punk ass dude. This video helped me know it’s a common occurrence that I shouldn’t let get the better of me. Thanks!
You missed a couple. The "collector": Has glass cases of old blue steel and walnut with no price tags. Pretty much ignores you because you are 30yrs too young. Then gets offended when you tell him you need a "shooter grade" h p stamped 1911 barrel so you can take this Colt to the range instead of rubbing it in oil and never shot.
The FUD: "Hunting store", your evil black rifles have no place here, feels "military weapons" should be with the military in ironic contrast to the 700s/A5's/M500's and other weapons he stocks that started life and still live as military weapons.
The Buddies Shop: less gun store, more social hangout for store owner and his buddies. You are a stranger and will be ignored while they talk about random worthless crap.
The $$$$$$$ shop: No grasp on reality prices, no movement from MSRP, no sale prices, $100 FFL transfers, +3% on credit card sales, He may have that weapon you want but expect to bleed for it.
Wow, you just described every local gun shop here. So perfect.
Then there is the retired cop who tries to make you feel like you shouldn't even be in the store. Only ran across this 'type' once. So guess what? I never spent a dime in his employer's store.
this guy should start making videos!
now that is funny lmao
When I open my gun store, it will be the Buddies Shop, with a lounges area and coffee pots. The difference will be anyone will be welcome to hang out.
Me: "Can I take a look at that Kimber right there?"
Gun shop employee: "Well I got this Sig here." *hands me p226*
Me: "Yes, I do like Sigs but can I take a look at that Kimber right there?"
Gun shop employee: "Well I got this Sig here." *holds p226 closer to my face*
Me: *looking at Kimbers thru the glass*
"You guys carry Kimbers?"
Gun shop employee: "Well I got this Sig here." *p226 intensifies*
Me: *points to Kimber 1911* "Can I take a look at that one right there?"
Gun shop employee: "Oh yes of course" *hands me 1911* this is nice it's not a Sig I'm not sure what the hell this is."
I hope you didn't buy a gun from them.
I'm a hardcore SIG fanboy but at least I know what a 1911 is (don't tell anyone I own one!)
I’d give you a like, but I got this SIG right here
*hands you p226*
I think the point was kimbers suck :)
I’ve never seen or heard instances like that but I can imagine it lol
I hate to admit it but you tagged me with two personalities I am a gun snob and commando. I automatically steer people away from HyPoint Sccy etc even though I should be listening to their wants and needs. Then I overload them with "extra details" that they are either not ready for or have no interest in. Thanks for pointing that out to me I will try harder in the future.
That acknowledgment though, weighs heavy,
I second this. You're already spending $200 and if that's all you have left then put it in saving and get $400 ... hand guns under $350 are horrible.
The Judge: the minute you walk in you feel like you're on trial. These types of people are always so uptight that they may be able to crap diamonds if they ate enough coal... they also make you want to leave and never come back because they often come off as rude, never crack jokes or make small talk. Comes with permanent "resting bitch face" and "I'm actually scared shitless of you so I act like I'm angry" glare.
I'm not going to lie I am a huge CZ fanboy, and it drives my local gunstore/pistol range into a tiff when I say I'm not interested in their selection of major (and higher priced) handgun brand models.
I’m a CZ fangirl. I’ll second this.
So your hipsters eh? All the people I've ever met that like Cz's are cunts
@@spitty3456 I'm a 55 year old retired vet. I am hardly a hipster, or "Fan boy." The CZ 557 is one of the finest scout rifles I've ever owned.
That CZ-P10c tho ❤️👌
Yup they cant comprehend
As far as handguns go, I see two distinct types. Well three actually, but I'll get to that later. First, of the quality guns, you have the polymer framed guns, which are basically tools. They will get the job done. They are not pretty, and they will not last forever. But if you want a gun that you need to work, and don't mind getting a few scratches on, they are probably the way to go. Second, you have the all steel guns, 1911s, revolvers, etc. These guns also work well. But I don't consider them to be tools that you replace when they wear out. These guns are also works of art, prized possessions, family heirlooms that will be passed down from generation to generation. Then you have the last type, which are basically junk, no matter what they are made out of. And price is not always the determining factor. While many of them are cheap, not all of them are. I have a $200 .22 revolver that will probably last forever. I have seen some high dollar guns tested on RUclips that failed miserably. I have found RUclips gun channels as a good place to get good information about guns. No matter what kind of gun you have in mind, somebody out there has reviewed it
Just be careful of reviews. Some of the reviews are junk. I like to find channels where the guy on the tube isn't either biased or so concerned with showing you how awesome he is that everything he says is suspect. I have watched reviews where they gave out erroneous information, basically out of not being willing to say, "I don't know."
As someone who works at a gun counter, I have talked to many customers that perfectly fit most of the things in this video. One that I could add is "The Questionnaire." Someone who wants to know everything about every gun that has ever existed and usually only appears when you have a lot of work to do. :p
There was a gun store that opened in a town near me. It had a grand opening and the place was packed all the time ....initially, then as word got out that the people working there were rude and condescending , the place eventually closed down. These people don't realize that it's the people walking through the door that pays the bills.
Hilarious man!
Just recently started purchasing firearms and my god I can't believe the personalities I've met within the few stores I've visited. Generally low to no person-ability and at times a condescending demeanor.
Thanks for your time! Since my last comment I've found a couple spots that are more warming. As you've stated it did take some "leg work" before putting up most their effort.
The "you're just a tire kicker" guy. I walked into academy with $500 in my pocket and was interested in checking out a few 12 gauge shotguns, an even purchasing one if I liked it enough. The salesman behind the counter was dealing with an Old fart looking at revolvers, so I hung around for around 10 min. hoping to get a minute to look at some. After 10 min of me standing there looking, He still hadn't even bothered to Acknowledge me as a customer, let alone ask if there was anything he could help me with. Needless to say I walked away that day.
That has become the norm at Academy and Gander Mountain for sure. While looking into a small carry pistol at Gander, the clerk was determined to steer me to a 380. I wanted a 9mm and looked at a couple, he said "check this out", it was a 380 and I just said, "no, I want to stay with a 9". He then gave me his verbal resume' as a range officer , blah, blah blah, and how any bullet placed well would be effective. I just stared at him and walked away. I am retired LE, don't lecture me jackass.
Yeah, one thing I've realized is that if you're set on a particular gun, in most cases you should buy it. Otherwise, if you sette for something else, any little problem you have with the gun will make you wish you had bought the one you originally wanted. and vice versa, say you buy a desert eagle, and you later decide it's too much, at least now you know, and can downgrade to something else. I've found guns hold their value a lot better than something like a Vehicle.
Unless you customize the shit out of it. Like a lot of guys do with AR's. I've seen several guys lose $1000 on an AR because they decked it out with all of the add-ons, and not many buyers care about that.
I was at a shop one day with my wife, looking at a gun for her. The lady behind the counter was REALLY pushing her towards a Bersa Thunder. I told my wife I don’t care for the Bersa because of the Magazine Disconnect, and what happens if you are in a shooting, you go to perform a tactical reload, and the bad guy comes around the corner before you get the fresh magazine inserted? Gal behind the counter cut me off and said, “He doesn’t know what he is talking about, this is NOT a tactical pistol!” My wife pushed the pistol across the counter and told her “You just screwed up!” and out the door we went.
He forgot one: The watcher
He goes into gun stores watching out for these types of people after binging your videos.
+Colion Noir, another common Gun Shop Sales Man is the "inventory salesman". You go to the store interested in one specific model, but they don't have exactly what you're looking for. Instead, they push other in-stock models that are "just like" the one you're interested in. Sure, one is a different price by $300 or another doesn't have the features you want, but it's "just like" what you're looking for.
I'm a gun shop guy as well as a Firearms Instructor but I always warn my female students to beware of the macho gun guy who sees a lady and instantly says she needs a revolver. Especially a Lightweight Double Action Only revolver. I've seen so many women disappointed with their choice of handgun because they either listened to the macho gun guy salesman or their know it all husband or boyfriend.
I can't stand Glocks but will still recommend them to new people who don't want a heavy gun. I tell them go and hold multiple guns to see what feels good in their hands. If the store has a range and rents guns, rent it, shoot it, see how it feels. Although I fit into the "Newbie" category, I'm trying to learn as much as possible. I found the gun type I shoot best with and I own three of them. Good video man
i like glocks cause they're just simple. and they're feel better in my hand. HK's too. glocks have a lot of different sizes too. but this just me. not a fan of xd's but i do live in cali so im not able to try all the other xd's
You didn't have to tell us you are a newbie. We all have already guessed that as soon as you said you dislike Glocks
I grew up shooting Glocks... I have problems shooting other types of handguns just because I only shot Glocks for the first 18 or 19 years of my life... I can shoot other guns, but I'm a lot better with a glock
Similar to you. Don't own one. Want one but not sure what to get. Glocks... They're easy to shoot and for me I get pretty nice groups with them. I just wish they had safety besides don't pull trigger. Otherwise I would get one easily. There's others I like too. My friend has some sort of Smith and Wesson I forget what but it's a full-size I like. Trouble is I'm looking for a CCW type of pistol but none I've tried I like. Too small for me to hold properly (or feels like it anyway).
That's the best advice you can ever give someone. Hold as many guns as you can. You'll know "your" gun when you feel it. A gun that doesn't feel right won't shoot as well for you, and you won't want to practice with it. If you can rent and shoot, or borrow and shoot first all the better. If you're new to it all, don't go in with your mind made up because a RUclips video, Internet forum, or friend told you to buy such and such.
I all but had my mind made up to get a Glock 19 as it fits a size vs capacity niche my other pistols didn't (and I don't care for glocks). That was before I held the new S&W M&P 2.0 Compact. Basically the same size but feels like it was custom molded to my hand. Saved some cash AND walked out with a gun I ultimately like more.
Don’t forget about the “I don’t wanna help women” guys. Me and my wife go into go in stores all the time and I usually what I want and I don’t really have to look that much but she will look and look. A lot of times when she’s looking none of the guys behind the counter will help her and we have to say something. Usually older men. We don’t go back to those stores cuz they’re not interested in helping women arm themselves.
I think a silencer would be a good idea for home defense. Guns are loud and who wants to worry about putting in ear pro at 2am when dealing with a home invasion. With that said i certainly don't have one, but I do see its merits.
Still remember an incident from the 90's. Just got out of US Army. Went to THE local gun shop and got the complete and total D Bag treatment. Needless to say; never went back.
I know I'm years late on this but has anyone mentioned the female gun clerk that goes above and beyond to try and establish "gun-knowledge-dominance" because you're a male. I'm sorry ma'am, but I'm just trying to get some 185 grain hydroshock. I don't need the lesson on how the hydroshock projectile originated.
Also years late... or the male clerk who immediately wants to show you something “in pink” because you’re female.
Also late but I saw this for the first time at a gun show. Girl looks at gun and her boyfriend happens to be there so the guy starts talking to her boyfriend. "This is a good size for her. She'll like this." Stuff like that.
Sean Scanlan, I call out that crap. I earn my money. I can spend it myself. Usually, I call them out as I’m walking toward the door.
That's why I love my gun shop (Duffy's gun room if you are in MD) they have knowledgeable people that figure out what you want offer their opinions and first hand experience without pushing anything on you
What about the type that takes you for a newbie? Had a really bad experience purchasing my first optic after 7+ years of shooting iron sights because I simply couldn't afford anything more expensive. The first thing he said was something like "why don't you get proficient with irons first?" and I was like sigh...
FighterAceee94 I'm at your stage with the irons.
LoL. That's an awesome story.
LMAO..... I am the Old Fart. But, I am learning to love polymer guns.
What? Those jumpy plastic toys, which won't stay on target?
learn to shoot then you will hit something with your "jumpy" toys hahah
Welcome to the club! lol. I like em all, hell, I`ve even played with a hi point!
YUP!, Going through that process right now.. Being drug-Kicking and Screaming- into the 21st century...Just acquired my first plastic gun.. Will find out how well we will dance together....
Hell, I’ve met plenty of “old farts” in their 20s.
Once met a dude that conceal carried a full size Desert Eagle, and stocked over 500 rounds in his car.
Khoros Mythos idc how stupid that is, that's hilarious.
Khoros Mythos Jesus. Must be compensating for something
Atlas 01 that or he wants to kill car engines for a living lol
I don't see anything wrong with that. My carry weapon is a Barret.
He just wants the opportunity to say "Mr. Anderson.........."
I see exactly what you mean. I’ve been two many gun shops and have been diligently working on my aim and control. In reading over some of the comments it’s clear to see that you hit the nail on the head. Move forward wisely brother!
The sales guy who, if you're NOT buying anything, but just need some Q & A, all of a sudden doesn't even know you're there.
That's just business.
@@marcosanaya9540 That's bad business. If you don't know about something and want to ask, how will you make the decision to buy?
I came across this channel by accident, but I do like this guy. He's alright
+Michael Gill
Me too
I encountered a shop owner who was a gun snob that lost my sale because he wanted me to spend thousands when I could only afford what I could afford. His shop went out of business, I wonder why. Why offer different brands at different prices but push the most expensive to the point where you lose the sale completely. Horrible business practice
You are so right. One thing that is so important is knowing the reputation of the gun store and getting familiar with it. Think of a gun store as a used car lot and you are buying a car. Do your homework and the learning curve. One thing I’ve done for over 25 years now is I have a subscription to gun test magazine their is no paid advertising in it at all. Now today we have RUclips and the internet watch videos. It’s all a learning curve and know your budget especially if you are first getting into it. Don’t be complacent. First thing you need a way to secure your gun at home before you purchase it like a lockbox or gun safe. What’s your living situation like , family , kids, friends coming and going. Gun safety training course. Having a firearm in your possession you take on a big responsibility it’s a mind set, it changes your life going forward, don’t be complacent about it. It will come and bit you in the ass when you least expect it. Just don’t go out and buy a gun as a fad thing bring it home and throw it in a corner after a few weeks after you got tired of it and the hype wears off. Once you purchase a gun your life changed forever or until you sell it and get rid of it. It’s a 24/7 7 day a week thing you have to have a plan in place about safety rules and training and boundaries you will not cross. This is a lot for a first time gun purchaser to deal with.