Some food for thought. I’ve been sailing for 48 years now. When you have a situation like this, best to use very little engine power and more crew power. Accidents can happen very quickly under power. Also sailboats have less side slippage than similar sized powerboats thanks to their keels. It’s always nice to have a bow thruster as well on larger vessels. Makes the difference between going out for the day versus staying in the slip. One other thing, I got rid of my folding prop years ago in favor of a three blade prop. Only downside is that while there is excellent torque in reverse, there is no helm control because the prop pulls the boat hard to Starboard in reverse until enough boat speed can be achieved for the rudder to take over. Always best to try to pull in forward into a slip where there is more helm control and then to leave in reverse provided you have the support of crew. I had more issues maneuvering my 18 foot Angler fishing boat than I did my Nonsuch 30 because the large keel on the Nonsuch held her in place but the large freeboard was a killer. The Angler on the other hand just went where the wind blew her and required loads of forward and reverse thrust with many course corrections to slot her in right. Slips are great but having had both slips and moorings, I'll take a mooring any day for getting out of the harbor quickly. For convenience however, you can’t beat a slip.
quite a lot of crosswind, most people do not sail enough to react well in a port with a crosswind ( i m one of those even though i sail about 2 month per year) if i t s a rental you don 't know how the boat will react etc... so easier to mock than to do it...and even if you know what you are doing on your own boat it's not an easy manoeuver with that wind...
Hmmm, so easy to condemn the skip.. but to be honest, I think it could have happened to me too. I think the wind came in at an angle of 5°, not entirely straight. That's why he had trouble to keep the bow at starboard. At 2:57 I think he tired to steer the stern clear of the other ship, then the fenders got entangled and gave him an additional rotation to port - so much he could not steer clear of the moorings anymore. Maybe if he hadn't placed the aft rope at such an angle but further behind the ship it would have been easier to keep the nose on the right side and get out. But of course as many others already commented, best would have been to haul the ship along the pier with slip lines until it could turn freely to starboard and the launch.
A. Beneker was right, that all was fine aslong he steamed into this starboard rope with the rudder to starboard. But he should have given some thoughts in which way securing the boat to starboard in this strong sidewind when leaving his place. I mean he could use some moving lines to the pier in order to lead the boat as long as possible.
All the comments about how tricky it is to manoeuvre in a strong wind, but it was on the nose. Rig up a shorter slip line. (less chance of it tangling or snagging) make sure the rudder is centred. Let go & give it full throttle. Simple.
Should have backed out further (assuming depth wasn't an issue) before they turned... considering the wind strength, it was obvious they were going to be blown straight onto the other boat's bow before they could get properly underway. It's like they never encountered wind before...
The best lesson for most of the people here will be: If you don't know how to moor a boat when there is a lot of wind................stay out of the marina / port / dock. Pick a mooring buoy or just drop the anchor. At least you won't damage anything. If you don't know how to get out of your berth when there is a lot of wind..................stay in port. Sailing is not just being out at sea and knowing what to do with the sails. A very important part of sailing is getting in and out of a marina / port or dock. If you don't know how to dock or how to get out of a marina in the conditions you want to sail in...............get some lessons !
if you really HAD to leave in this breeze, then a kedge anchor taken out up wind, tensioned up to a snatch block starboard amidships would have helped. 15 minutes to take an anchor out in a tender and tensioned up is faster that hours of gelcoat/toe rail repair work.
Das war für uns in Lefkas/Ionische Inseln das übliche Hafenkino am Wochenende einschliesslich des Tauchers für die abgerissenen Mooringleinen bis wir es leid waren und zurück segelten in den Norden, wo wir jetzt stressfrei in der Nordbritagne neben anderen Eigentümern liegen.
Schön wenn man Eigentümer sein kann! Andere haben es halt nicht so gut und können nur einmal im Jahr aufs Wasser. Stimmt, dann sollten die das lassen. Vielleicht sollte man diese „nervigen nicht Könner“ erschießen, dann gehen die Der feinen Klientel nicht mehr auf den Sack!,
Why not "crawl" forward by using midship springs to the clamps on the "finger" until the boat is out of the box? That way it would have stayed always close to the windward side away from the other boat and the moouring line.
3:35 turn wheel hard to port then power away? Though as Jerry McCalister pointed out, it appears this vessel only has two speeds; neutral and 100% 🤣 Easy in hindsight, great video!
Midship spring or stern dutch sprong with helm over to starboard will hold you off while you crew set up lines. For the departure, there were enough cleats to allow the crew to keep tight lines and walk the boat forward to the point where there was a midship spring on the outer cleat. At that point, release and go and you will be will clear of the neighbour before the wind blows you down.
I assume, that the bow thruster would never have had enough (and long enough) power under given conditions. I think, the skipper did well as long as he was docked: inching into the windward rope with full throttle and rudder position windward also. But after laying down there should have been two guys (at least) on the finger piers, with two ropes, one from the middle, one from the bow, releasing them contiously, to keep the yacht away from the neighbour. But of course: talking is easy...just my two cents
You are correct, In these conditions their only option was to have midship line attached to a tip of a finger to be released as late as possible to have the bow under control. I had exactly the same situation in Horta (Azores), I put the most experienced crew to have the midship mooring line under tension in his hands until our boat accelerate enough to be able to steer clear off the boat on our leeward side.
Has anyone ever put a decent size yacht into, out of a marina in a strong crosswind?? Shit can happen real quick, i think they all did a wonderful job and helped eachother out, well done, especially a charter boat that you dont know no harm no foul . Lots of armchair skippers here.
Dear bigkiwial, I assume that people - who seek videos like that - have some knowledge about yachting. They're simply interested of that sort of clips. Some mistakes are made there that ended up on uncontrolled downwind drift onto other boats. As a "sofaskipper" I would think harder of "what kind of influence may the strong crosswind have to the high freeboard of the modern 40ft cruiser" ???I would think about it hard, BEFORE ordering to drop any windward line :-)
I can tell you a nice one. I have a 50' motor yacht and if the wind is not up to my liking I will simply stay out, drop the anchor and that is it. However, I learned how to handle the boat and can basically bring it in under any condition. We sail in some of the harshest conditions in the Med, Meltemi weather, which means 6 to 7 Bft every day, many times up to 8 or 9 Bft and even 10 is not an exemption. Last year (2023) we were in port in Sifnos (Greece) and there was couple, of which the husband had just finished his sailing classes, they had rent a 55' (!!) sailing vessel with the 2 of them. It was forecasted to be very ugly, so they wanted to come in, but were short on hands. So my wife and I offered to give a hand on the anchor (Med mooring) and on the stern (handling the lines). The husband tried to dock the boat twice, going bananas with his bow thruster to keep the bow into the wind, depleting the batteries (had to do a full cross wind mooring), but he could not get it done. So I asked him if I could give it a go and mind you, I have never ever docked a 55' sailing vessel in my life, nor have I ever Med moored a sailing vessel, but I knew that if the anchor was holding I could use that as some sort of bow thruster, it would keep the bow steady. So my wife let out the anchor chain, while I was going in reverse, keeping the chain as tight as I could, steering the stern into the wind and thus brought the boat in between the two other boats where it was intended to go. Fenders are there for a reason, so use them, I let the stbd side of the vessel ride up to the fenders of the vessel to Stbd (they were not happy) and slowly brought it towards the dock where we tied off, perfectly aligned with the anchor. So yes, I have done it and no I am not a sailing vessel skipper, but I do know how to use what is available to me to get it done. Reason why this couple had to be in port was simple. The forecasted wind was around 40 kts and that would have been well above their capabilities if they would have been on anchor. What would they have done in the middle of the night if their anchor would have started dragging ? When we docked it was perhaps 25 kts cross wind, but luckily not 40. When we were back on our own boat we wondered why the heck they had chartered a 55' sailing vessel for just the 2 of them, in the Aegean with no experience ? And of course why the charter company let them take the boat out.
In absolute fairness, berthing stern first in a beam wind, or your average mediterranean moor in anything more than light wind is challenging enough. Good boat handling knowledge of that particular boat, a good plan and really clear comms from the skipper is needed.
Il faut apprendre à piloter un bateau au moteur avant de vouloir faire de la voile,,,c'est le problème de tous ces vacanciers qui louent un bateau ,,,,, j'en vois tous les jours ,,ces gens sont dangereux,
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Some food for thought.
I’ve been sailing for 48 years now. When you have a situation like this, best to use very little engine power and more crew power. Accidents can happen very quickly under power. Also sailboats have less side slippage than similar sized powerboats thanks to their keels. It’s always nice to have a bow thruster as well on larger vessels. Makes the difference
between going out for the day versus staying in the slip. One other thing, I got rid of my folding prop years ago in favor of a three blade prop. Only downside is that while there is excellent torque in reverse, there is no helm control because the prop pulls the boat hard to Starboard in reverse until enough boat speed can be achieved for the rudder to take over. Always best to try to pull in forward into a slip where there is more helm control and then to leave in reverse provided you have the support of crew. I had more issues maneuvering my 18 foot Angler fishing boat than I did my Nonsuch 30 because the large keel on the Nonsuch held her in place but the large freeboard was a killer. The Angler on the other hand just went where the wind blew her and required loads of
forward and reverse thrust with many course corrections to slot her in right. Slips are great but having had both slips and moorings, I'll take a mooring any day for getting out of the harbor quickly.
For convenience however, you can’t beat a slip.
If you love your boat be terrifies when you see a charter boat coming...
quite a lot of crosswind, most people do not sail enough to react well in a port with a crosswind ( i m one of those even though i sail about 2 month per year) if i t s a rental you don 't know how the boat will react etc... so easier to mock than to do it...and even if you know what you are doing on your own boat it's not an easy manoeuver with that wind...
Hmmm, so easy to condemn the skip.. but to be honest, I think it could have happened to me too. I think the wind came in at an angle of 5°, not entirely straight. That's why he had trouble to keep the bow at starboard. At 2:57 I think he tired to steer the stern clear of the other ship, then the fenders got entangled and gave him an additional rotation to port - so much he could not steer clear of the moorings anymore. Maybe if he hadn't placed the aft rope at such an angle but further behind the ship it would have been easier to keep the nose on the right side and get out.
But of course as many others already commented, best would have been to haul the ship along the pier with slip lines until it could turn freely to starboard and the launch.
A. Beneker was right, that all was fine aslong he steamed into this starboard rope with the rudder to starboard. But he should have given some thoughts in which way securing the boat to starboard in this strong sidewind when leaving his place. I mean he could use some moving lines to the pier in order to lead the boat as long as possible.
All the comments about how tricky it is to manoeuvre in a strong wind, but it was on the nose. Rig up a shorter slip line. (less chance of it tangling or snagging) make sure the rudder is centred. Let go & give it full throttle. Simple.
The wind was on the beam, obviously. Look at the flags and pennants on the other boats.
@@gjd1155 look again at the 2 minute mark. When he leaves the dock it's on the nose.
Don’t be so stupid. What do you think is moving the boat sideways, gravity?
Should have backed out further (assuming depth wasn't an issue) before they turned... considering the wind strength, it was obvious they were going to be blown straight onto the other boat's bow before they could get properly underway. It's like they never encountered wind before...
The best lesson for most of the people here will be:
If you don't know how to moor a boat when there is a lot of wind................stay out of the marina / port / dock. Pick a mooring buoy or just drop the anchor. At least you won't damage anything.
If you don't know how to get out of your berth when there is a lot of wind..................stay in port. Sailing is not just being out at sea and knowing what to do with the sails. A very important part of sailing is getting in and out of a marina / port or dock.
If you don't know how to dock or how to get out of a marina in the conditions you want to sail in...............get some lessons !
if you really HAD to leave in this breeze, then a kedge anchor taken out up wind, tensioned up to a snatch block starboard amidships would have helped. 15 minutes to take an anchor out in a tender and tensioned up is faster that hours of gelcoat/toe rail repair work.
Das war für uns in Lefkas/Ionische Inseln das übliche Hafenkino am Wochenende einschliesslich des Tauchers für die abgerissenen Mooringleinen bis wir es leid waren und zurück segelten in den Norden, wo wir jetzt stressfrei in der Nordbritagne neben anderen Eigentümern liegen.
Schön wenn man Eigentümer sein kann! Andere haben es halt nicht so gut und können nur einmal im Jahr aufs Wasser. Stimmt, dann sollten die das lassen. Vielleicht sollte man diese „nervigen nicht Könner“ erschießen, dann gehen die Der feinen Klientel nicht mehr auf den Sack!,
Why not "crawl" forward by using midship springs to the clamps on the "finger" until the boat is out of the box? That way it would have stayed always close to the windward side away from the other boat and the moouring line.
3:35 turn wheel hard to port then power away? Though as
Jerry McCalister pointed out, it appears this vessel only has two speeds; neutral and 100% 🤣 Easy in hindsight, great video!
Yeah ..2 speed brain..
How match knots?
Midship spring or stern dutch sprong with helm over to starboard will hold you off while you crew set up lines. For the departure, there were enough cleats to allow the crew to keep tight lines and walk the boat forward to the point where there was a midship spring on the outer cleat. At that point, release and go and you will be will clear of the neighbour before the wind blows you down.
best comment by far
"Come starboard Hooper"
20 Euros of telescopic aluminium boathook versus 210,000 Euros of 14 Tonne boat!! Thank goodness they had their harnesses on...
I assume, that the bow thruster would never have had enough (and long enough) power under given conditions. I think, the skipper did well as long as he was docked: inching into the windward rope with full throttle and rudder position windward also. But after laying down there should have been two guys (at least) on the finger piers, with two ropes, one from the middle, one from the bow, releasing them contiously, to keep the yacht away from the neighbour.
But of course: talking is easy...just my two cents
You are correct, In these conditions their only option was to have midship line attached to a tip of a finger to be released as late as possible to have the bow under control.
I had exactly the same situation in Horta (Azores), I put the most experienced crew to have the midship mooring line under tension in his hands until our boat accelerate enough to be able to steer clear off the boat on our leeward side.
Has anyone ever put a decent size yacht into, out of a marina in a strong crosswind?? Shit can happen real quick, i think they all did a wonderful job and helped eachother out, well done, especially a charter boat that you dont know no harm no foul . Lots of armchair skippers here.
Dear bigkiwial, I assume that people - who seek videos like that - have some knowledge about yachting. They're simply interested of that sort of clips. Some mistakes are made there that ended up on uncontrolled downwind drift onto other boats. As a "sofaskipper" I would think harder of "what kind of influence may the strong crosswind have to the high freeboard of the modern 40ft cruiser" ???I would think about it hard, BEFORE ordering to drop any windward line :-)
I can tell you a nice one. I have a 50' motor yacht and if the wind is not up to my liking I will simply stay out, drop the anchor and that is it. However, I learned how to handle the boat and can basically bring it in under any condition. We sail in some of the harshest conditions in the Med, Meltemi weather, which means 6 to 7 Bft every day, many times up to 8 or 9 Bft and even 10 is not an exemption.
Last year (2023) we were in port in Sifnos (Greece) and there was couple, of which the husband had just finished his sailing classes, they had rent a 55' (!!) sailing vessel with the 2 of them. It was forecasted to be very ugly, so they wanted to come in, but were short on hands. So my wife and I offered to give a hand on the anchor (Med mooring) and on the stern (handling the lines). The husband tried to dock the boat twice, going bananas with his bow thruster to keep the bow into the wind, depleting the batteries (had to do a full cross wind mooring), but he could not get it done. So I asked him if I could give it a go and mind you, I have never ever docked a 55' sailing vessel in my life, nor have I ever Med moored a sailing vessel, but I knew that if the anchor was holding I could use that as some sort of bow thruster, it would keep the bow steady.
So my wife let out the anchor chain, while I was going in reverse, keeping the chain as tight as I could, steering the stern into the wind and thus brought the boat in between the two other boats where it was intended to go.
Fenders are there for a reason, so use them, I let the stbd side of the vessel ride up to the fenders of the vessel to Stbd (they were not happy) and slowly brought it towards the dock where we tied off, perfectly aligned with the anchor.
So yes, I have done it and no I am not a sailing vessel skipper, but I do know how to use what is available to me to get it done.
Reason why this couple had to be in port was simple. The forecasted wind was around 40 kts and that would have been well above their capabilities if they would have been on anchor. What would they have done in the middle of the night if their anchor would have started dragging ? When we docked it was perhaps 25 kts cross wind, but luckily not 40.
When we were back on our own boat we wondered why the heck they had chartered a 55' sailing vessel for just the 2 of them, in the Aegean with no experience ? And of course why the charter company let them take the boat out.
Wer kennt das nicht! A: Wind B: Strömung C: PS D: Bugstrahlruder !
Etwas haben sie vergessen: D Skipper ohne Erfahrung; E: zuviele Schönwettersegler und Versicherungen, die alles bezahlen.
In absolute fairness, berthing stern first in a beam wind, or your average mediterranean moor in anything more than light wind is challenging enough. Good boat handling knowledge of that particular boat, a good plan and really clear comms from the skipper is needed.
The certificates of these "captains", must be revoked asap.........😮
3:10 кто выдал лицензию на управление персонажу который за штурвалом ?
I wonder if I may be had waitet for less wind.....
It blows like this almost constantly in Lavrion.
wow scary
That is some shitty fucking wind. I would have waited.
I guess everyone is always on their boats?
you can not knock the STUPID out of some people
He still is siting there. As if he is not responsible for this shit
Ja,ja und wenn ich die Besatzungen sehe, mit einem Bootshaken sich vom anderen boot freihalten wollen.........
Wtf are these people doing?!
B. S.
Rental boats i asume, what a laugh
You are the greatest. 🤮
How can these guys have a boat???
I see this kinda thing all the time with the boat rentals
Don't buy a Charterboat
You can't leave the port full throttle. Just gear forward, not throttle.
Too hard to watch! Whole useless crews? The kind of people that make it hard for singlehanded sailors
Is a child driving. Just let go of the wheel, chances would be better
Il faut apprendre à piloter un bateau au moteur avant de vouloir faire de la voile,,,c'est le problème de tous ces vacanciers qui louent un bateau ,,,,, j'en vois tous les jours ,,ces gens sont dangereux,