@Koko martin Austronesian has a connotation with Island Southeast Asia, Madagascar, etc. or any areas outside of Oceania (Micronesia, Melanesia, Polynesia).
@Koko martin Yeah, and in the end, we are all Africa's children, since we descended from the first migrants out of Africa. But time is the factor that gave rise to different cultures, even diffferent physiology, and now we don't call ourselves African anymore.
Because of colonial mentality. Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
@@joeutuber6423 because of colonial mentality? How about it's because the definition of Asia includes the area the Philippines. Who do you think came up with the term Asia anyways? It was white people. Linguistically, genetically, and culturally Pacific Islanders? No. This is proof of how some Filipinos want to distance themselves from their Southeast Asian brothers. Most Filipinos migrated from Taiwan. Linguistically Filipinos speak Austronesian languages. There are more Austronesian speakers in Asia than anywhere in the world. Fact is, not all Pacific Islanders are Austronesian. So linguistics has nothing to do with being a Pacific Islander. Culturally Filipinos are more similar to Southeast Asians like Indonesians. Genetically, refer back to my statement of Filipinos coming from Taiwan. And native Taiwanese migrated from mainland China.
@@jakeplummer2477 Where did you get that False or Outdated Info ? It has nothing to do about distancing Filipinos from its Asian neighbor. People of Taiwan escaped or came from China but Indegenious Taiwan came from South. Nope, because you haven't travelled to the Pacific Ring of Fire nor Four Corners of the Pacific. You just read the book but never experienced it. Nope, South Asian People are identically and very different from the Pacific Islanders which obvious in their language. Fiipinos are more inherently closely related to the people of the Pacific.
I'm from Papua New Guinea and there is a large contingent of filipinos there. NONE of them have ever had a crisis as to how to identify as. This seems to be strictly an american thing.
True.. only americans of filipino descent only seems to claim this.. we the filipinos of the Philippines never have that notion.. we are Southeast Asians of the Malay race
Because you're looking at the map not in the culture. Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
I've spent a decade living in my Pacific island homeland Papua New Guinea before migrating to the states and literally all my filo friends in PNG identify as Asian. (south east asian specifically) This identity crisis seems to be a mostly filo american phenomemon. Thats just my observation
I'm also Papua New Guinean. When I was 11, my 2 Mandarin teachers thought I was from Fiji and Samoa, when I told them I was not from Fiji they assumed Samoa, and when I told them I was from 🇵🇬🇸🇧 they were surprised. 🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@rossittanotere6258 umm ur not the only one light brown skin and thick curly hair you do know that right 😂 About 20-40 percent of us have that feature that's why people call us diversed people
@@katahi0749 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️don't you think I know that, I'm only talking about myself and my thinking, you are just stupid to understand what I'm trying to say, I'm only talking about my suspicions 🤦♀️
To any Pacific Islander watching this, I would like, if my fellow filipinos would allow it, to apologize for the remarks these Filipino-Americans make. We love them but they're just so detached from their culture and heritage after being exposed to the western mindset for so long.
@Lou-Ann Young-Alfonso filipinos are austronesians, pacific islanders are all austronesians 😂, our language and dna are basically tied to each other! Fyi lang po para madagdagan knowledge mo, Asia is the biggest continent in the world which is very diverse in religion, culture and race! Let me repeat that "race" we dont call white people like Russians as asians, we dont also call Jews asians, or arabs as asians just because they are from asia lol! Learn geography and history wag po kase matulog during class ang epekto eh magiging bobo 😉
@@joemama8243 magadascar are austronesians japanese has austronesian ancestry and tagalog have similar words with malays and indo pero di mo sila tinatawag pacific islanderS sang state ka sa US nakatira? IPilit mo pa fil am boy Hahaha
@@dimsumb7696 Japanese has no austronesian ancestry hahahah, 😂, as for Malay,indo, Thailand, and Madagascar yes austronesian din sila, 40 million Ang austronesian sa Mundo, Kade tayong mga austronesian ay seafarers na nagmula sa Taiwan at China , pwedeng tawagin Ang Indonesians na Pacific Islanders Kase NASA Pacific sila gaya ng Philippines
only fil am thinks theyre pacific islanders not even Filipinos from other countries call themselves that. have you seen an aussie Filipino or European Filipino classify as a pacific islander? no cuz its only FIL AMERICANS that has identity problems hahaha its sad really
This is because of lack of education. Hindi po tinatawag na asian ang mga puting Russian , mga arabo, at mga Jew hahaha hindi po sila tinatawag na asian kahit sila ay nasa asia 😂, tayo po ay austronesians, at lahat po ng mga taga pacific islands ay lahat austronesians 😂, mag aral po muna bago mag comment babe
Filipino are asian because they country is in Asia but after all the have Hispanic culture . Hispanic don't mean that you are a Latino , Hispanic means culture, language, country and hist which is related to españa.
@@mr.cebuano2843 The current Korean wave trend make Filipino less Hispanic than Latin American. Filipino along with Indonesian have significant militant kpop fandoms compared to any country in America continent.
As a Filipino living in Australia. I can assure you that Pacific Islanders are definitely different from us in most aspects of the culture lol. We may have common ancestors but for a number of millenia, we have become culturally separated from each other
@@ksnndnfr6101 ikr like I was trying to explain to the non Filipino that we are not pacific islander they act like I am wrong and they dare to say I know nothing of pre colonial culture like our pre colonial culture is very much related to Indonesia and Malaysia
It’s seems to be an American thing tbh, haven’t noticed it in brissy, but the filos and polys usually get along well anyways especially when our similarities are brought up
Bro we only recently lost touch to our Pacific Islander culture like a couple hundred years ago when these stupid ass Chinese and European people came in our islands and force their culture onto us 🤷🏽♂️ I’m a Pacific Islanders like my original ancestors. I will never claim to be what an outsider told me to be
@@hahdakdahkdhalsla Sit down? You’re the one who’s confused due to a colonial mentality thanks to 500 years of colonialism! Decolonize and educate your self. The Philippines is in the Pacific, Westerns Pacific Ocean to be exact.
Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
@@designereats3661 Where did you get that False or Outdated Information ? Most people in Taiwan escaped or came from China and indigenious Taiwan came from the South not from China . . .
@@joeutuber6423 I never said China. I said Filipinos and Polynesians all came from Taiwan which is still in Asia. You can’t change that. It is indeed a fact. I don’t know what you are trying to prove.
Born in the Philippines, raised in the USA since baby age. "Filipinos" (as a national identity covering many ethnolinguistic groups in the archipelago), we are very close geographically to neighboring countries in Southeast Asia, with cultural affinities much closer to Southeast Asians. Having lived there for a few years as an adult, I finally understood this much better. Go live in the Philippines and Southeast Asia for a few years, and learn.
I'm from Hawai'i and filipinos are not Pacific Islanders. Sorry Fil-Ams you are nothing like Hawaiians, Samoans and Tongans. Filipinos have more in common with SE Asia ethnically and culturally than Melanesia, Micronesia and Polynesia.
Please never accept Filipino as Pacific Islander since their language is West Malayo Polynesian not Oceanic like all languages that spoken in entire Pacific Islands. Also, Filipino in general have no Melanesian admixture. Even their Morena beauty standard (the beauty standard for brown skinned Filipina) looks distinct to stereotypical Oceanian looks. They just don't know that there are divisions inside Austronesia language family and Filipino is not part of Oceanic Austronesian.
@@StalkedByLosershaha idiot the tattoos is from Austronesian side culture. The Polynesian people is an admixture of Austronesian males that married Papuans then created the Polynesian race... By saying Filipinos/South East Asians claiming the tottoing culture from Oceanians is nothing but cap. Their culture is from the Austronesian side
Lmao.. claiming to be Pacific Islanders but don’t know that there’s more to us than just Samoans or Hawaiians.. and most of the stuff you see on tv.. we’re welcoming to those that genuinely want to know about us.. ALL OF US.. As a Micronesian, specifically pohnpeian.. I get confused for a Filipina ngl.. but when I correct them they say oh so you’re polynesian, it makes me want to facepalm.. Plus the fact that the terms Polynesian, Micronesian, and Melanesian were given to us by the colonizers. You’re Southeast Asian.. our ancestors may have come from the austronesians but that’s as close as we’re gonna get with history..
Literally nobody in the Philippines thinks they’re Polynesians or Micronesians. They know they’re Southeast ASIAN. In fact, the Philippines is a member of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations). When I was 9 and moved from CA to the Philippines, all the Fil-Ams said they were Asian. When I returned at 15, half of them were claiming to be Pacific Islander. I think the confusion started when Fil-Ams born in Hawaii started moving to CA.
This is because of lack of education. Hindi po tinatawag na asian ang mga puting Russian , mga arabo, at mga Jew hahaha hindi po sila tinatawag na asian kahit sila ay nasa asia 😂, tayo po ay austronesians, at lahat po ng mga taga pacific islands ay lahat austronesians 😂, mag aral po muna bago mag comment babe
Chinese Indonesian here. According to history book in my country, Philippines is not just member of ASEAN but also co-founder of ASEAN along with Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore during cold war. Brunei joined later, finally Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar later joined ASEAN after the fall of Sovyet Union.
@@k-grizz541 nah I'm Filipino, or Austronesian, Asian is too big and diverse to classify each asian nation which have no relevance to each other in terms of culture tradition and race to be grouped up in 1 word lol, like I've said it's wrong to call Jews, arabs, Russians etc as asian,
What makes Filipinos Southeast Asian because of the related DNA we share with other south-east Asian countries. We are closely more related to Malays than Polynesians. That's why we identify ourselves as SOUTH EAST ASIAN. OKAY? ARAL KA DIN BESTIE HWAG PURO NGANGA.
In New Zealand there is a sizable Filipino community, and they are definitely not seen as the same or similar as the native Polynesian/Pacific Islander/Maori. They proudly refer to themselves as Asian and more specifically as South East Asian.
@윤지혜 The lead male in Crazy Rich Asian is half Iban, a native of Borneo Malaysia close enough to Filipino if you consider Sabah shoud be Philippines territory like what President Soekarno of Indonesia said during his confrontation with Malaysia Federation in 1960s. He just play Singaporean Chinese role.
@god says hay naku! Nandito na naman tong stupidong Fil-am! Negrito may be the original inhabitant of Philippines but that does not mean that we're not asians, ulol.
@god says If we're the same race then how am I being racist to you, you dunce. If you aren't Polynesian, Melanesian or Micronesian, then you are NOT Pacific Islander. Period. Nobody came from you gremlins. If we did, wouldn't we be claiming to be y'all? Do you see any of us doing that? No, you don't. In fact, we want nothing to do with you "people"
This is extremely stupid. We are SOUTH EAST ASIANS, not Pacific Islanders. I won’t deny that we share common ancestry, because we definitely do. We are both Austronesians, and also both Malayo-Polynesians. But our identity, history and culture is tied to Asia. Pacific Islanders became isolated in the vast Pacific and developed isolated and unique cultures. We don’t. Our ancient cultures were moulded by heritage coming from Ancient China and India. Hindu-Buddhist cultural identity prevailed in our archipelagoes for hundreds of years. Our languages were greatly influenced by Middle Chinese and Sanskrit. Our dug artifacts were Asian. Our cuisine is heavily influenced by mainland Asia. So, no. We Filipinos are South East Asians. We are blood related, but culturally and historically distinct from Pacific Islanders.
@@polyso5123 You respect a colonial mentality due to 500 years of colonialism, religious brainwash and the sense of self, and identity being beaten out of us to then have a cultural and historical amnesia?! I urge you to educate your self. I have a video called: “Filipino VS Samoan”. Maybe that will open your racist eyes! AUE!
You say: “culturally and historically distinct” which utterly BS and false. You clearly don’t even know your own history and culture. But that’s not your fault, but due to 500 years of colonialism and you having a colonial mentality! So much wrong with this, it’s just embarrassing. Please decolonize and learn the truth! You even cling to terms coined by white people, as “Asian” is a geographical term. Only reason we associate with Asia is due to politics. That’s it. We are not Sino Tibetan. We are not Han Chinese. We are not Latin, nor Arab. We are Austronesian! Our nation lays in the most western part of the Pacific Ocean, made up of 7,640 islands. That besides shared DNA, and same language family, that makes us in every sense of the word Pacific Islander! I dare you to check out Lane Wilcken! A Mambatok. To further help decolonize your brainwashed ignorant mindset!
@@toffeepop973 who said I wasNT South East Asian? It’s just since the islands sit in Asia and the pacific, people call them south East Asian Pacific Islanders. Hence the combo of both titles. If you’re living ON an island, and it partly sits in the Pacific Ocean, technically it’s an Asian pacific island. Just technicalities. We have Melanesians native to the land. All the other Melanesians claim them as so and they are Pacific Islanders. It’s just technical. It’s not an identities issue. Every Filipino I know friend or family is PROUD of being Filipino. It’s not really a big deal. End of day, we love the Philippines and our people. We have great pride.
@@toffeepop973 on the contrary, being Asian is beautiful. Marvel is coming out with an Asian hero now, and I was so excited. Don’t even know which Asian he is, but I’m very excited about it nonetheless.
Maybe because those Fil-Ams who call themselves "pacific islander" are lacking in Exposure to the culture we had in the Philippines...they study and learn in foreign countries so they have minimal.knowledge of what is being a Filipino was all about ...like being SOUTH EAST ASIAN
We have similarities, not because we are pacific islanders, but because pacific islanders have Asian origin. Their ancestors migrated through the pacific ocean from Taiwan.
Personally, as a Filipino in the Philippines, I've always seen FilAms identifying as Pacific Islander as Southeast Asian erasure. Many in the West seem to forget that Southeast Asia is ethnically, culturally, and historically distinct from East Asia. The idea that being Austronesian makes us Pacific Islander is a big slap in the face when 90% of Austronesians are in Southeast Asia. Redefining Pacific Islanders to include Austronesian Southeast Asians, like how FilAms sometimes argue, is still Southeast Asian erasure because 60% of Southeast Asians are Austronesians and Austronesians played a principal role in shaping what Southeast Asia is today. Everything about being Austronesian overlaps with being Southeast Asian, from tribal tattoos, to stilt architecture, to decorative dentistry, to maritime tendencies. Our cultural differences with other Austronesian groups in Madagascar and Oceania still connects us to Southeast Asia: Old World maritime trade, Hindu-Buddhist syncretization, Islamization, the Chinese tributary trade, colonial experience, genocide, slavery, metallurgy, rice agriculture, etc. Many of the distinctive aspects of Filipino culture always talked about by the diaspora are actually Southeast Asian: the tabo, the mano po, the idea of hiya and pakikipagkapwa, rice three times a day, food like sinigang, etc.
in the states, whenever there are asian statistics or demographics reported, majority of the time it doesn't specify between east asian and southeast asian people even though, through the breakdown of the two smaller groups you can find inherently different numbers. this means being categorized as asian in the US because east asians have much larger numbers, and much different immigration histories, the experiences of southeast asians are erased. it's not because we want to erase the SEA identity, it's cause to identify as asian here ultimately does that for us. identifying as PIs can some times feel more like a closer identifying option because we have similar issues of representation in education/media/housing/healthcare, etc. although i don't identify as PI myself, there's some validity to folx marking that on these forms
@@jadefullz doesn't matter that you don't want, because you are doing so in practice. Which is why there are political movements calling for recognition of brown asians, southeast asians, and desegregation of a monolithic AAPI classification. So why insist on being classified as Pacific Islanders, knowing it harms both Southeast Asians and actual Pacific Islanders? In fact, my biggest pet peeve are those who insist this even after education, just to distance themselves from the term Asian which is a meaningless classification anyway. If y'all really don't want the term Asian, then at least use well-researched demonyms, such as the self-name Nusantaran.
@FrostBug Russia isn't technically they just annexed Siberia and indigenous Siberians are Asians. Middle East is Asian but they're the region that reject that identity the most.
@@chrisabrenica6267 Many Fil-Ams I've met reject being Asian because they think it's uncool. Fil-Ama believed they can take over Pacific Islander identity and marginalize them just so they don't get stereotyped with Asian loser stereotypes. That's cowardly!
You're correct. Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
I lived in Hawaii, I met Filipinos with Filipino names (non-Hawaiian names) claim they're effing Hawaiian. And you might ask "Don't you mean Spanish?". No, I mean like non-Spanish Filipino names like Quezon/Cuizon (romanized Chinese names) and Cunanan (Tagalog surname). Maybe I'm just overthinking it and maybe they're using "Hawaiian" in the same way Californians use it, but with Fil-Ams constantly claiming they're "Polynesian", "Pacific Islander", etc... I think some of these guys are actually actually ashamed to even be Filipino.
Another major reason why the Pacific Islander association with Austronesian is very wrong is that it is Papuan erasure. Papuans are not Austronesian or even Austronesian-speaking, are 80% of the Pacific Islander population, is the primary genetic and cultural influence of Austronesian-speaking Melanesians, and provides many of the cultural inputs that make Pacific Islanders (inc. Micronesians and Polynesians) distinct, such as the complete replacement of rice agriculture with taro. This is especially relevant given the tensions between Austronesian Indonesians and West Papuans.
@@seethruyou255 there are more types of people than Asian and black. Papuans are not Africans. The Aetas/Dumagats are not Papuans. Aboriginal Australians are neither Aetas, Papuans, or Africans. And you probably haven't even heard of the Asli people of mainland Southeast Asia. Asian isn't even an ethnic group, so comparison to black, in the sense of West African descent, doesn't make any sense.
@@chrisabrenica6267 You're picking stinky cabbages and carrots of info from all over the place in Wikipedia and come up a non-scientific basis of False Narratives. It doesn't mean, you colour yourself black and speak like a Duck, you're already a Duck. Stop using the Austronesian terminology because it has no concrete scientific basis. You need to travel the Pacific Ring of Fire, scientifically study the population and make a statistical dissertation. There's also what we called Migration, Adoption & Inter-relation but doesn't mean you belong to same species of Duck! You can keep you're wrong assumption and you're entitled to your own irrational opinion and hallucination!!!
@@joeutuber6423 Have you? All these places? Most scientific studies just focus on one and that takes years. I'm only familiar with 3. My experience as a Filipino in the Philippines, working with Mangyans in Mindoro, and working with Malays, Indonesians, and Papuans in Singapore. Immersions in the culture of others for years teach you a lot more than 1 month of shallow observations from surface-level knowledge of the cultures involved. Privileged backpackers know nothing.
@@joeutuber6423 and who cares about Austronesian terminology, we've spent several comments explaining why some Pacific islanders being Austronesian mean nothing, even if you reject modern anthropology and linguistics, the connection between Malays, Indonesians, and Filipinos are undeniable if you cared enough to immerse. As an example, Singapore is a Chinese trading colony on Malay land, just like Manila. Meanwhile, the stark difference of Southeast Asians and Papuans are also undeniable, in fact, politically sensitive, given how the Indonesian government is oppressing the Papuans.
Thank you for speaking on this. It's so incredibly difficult as a Pacific Islander (Polynesian/Melanesian, to be specific) myself to talk about these type of things, cause I am constantly spoken over. I'm harassed with insults and told that I'm wrong, and told that I'm just spreading lies because I'm racist. Me, racist. An indigenous, brown, pacific islander trying to bring awareness to the affect it all has on my people? Tuh. I try to point out the erasure, the negative impact it is has on indigenous pasifika, and the way it takes away the little spaces left for my people to speak up for themselves, and replaces us with people going through an identity crisis who could give less of a fuck about our islands sinking, and our people being evicted and kicked off our own lands for the sake of tourism. Or my brothers and sisters in West Papua being enslaved, murdered, and traded like merchandise. I've never had a problem with Filipinos/Asians. And tbh, it's always been them having a problem with me-- the racism some of them have had for me just astonishes me. I have never hated Asians as a whole for the actions of some individuals. But rubbing racism in my face now? Because I choose to speak up for my people? It's so ironic, and distasteful. The role that a lot of Asians take in the erasure (and continued colonization) of my peoples is fucking devastating. Please just have the fucking heart to listen to us. We're dying out, and our remains won't even be left behind, because our islands are sinking. I am so fucking tired! We're tired.
Amen these Filipino Americans use us like a Halloween costume just because they don't like who they are. So when we correct them and tell them they are Asian, they get all offended and call us racist. Smh
I'm from mainland Philippines and everyone here knows we're Southeast Asians, but I'd still like to apologize for the Fil-Ams who are so adamant on identifying as Pacific Islanders
I can confirm living in the philippines we dont really talk about pacific islanders that much i dont know about the fil ams tho those people are whitewashed
As a filipino here in the Philippines, i'm terribly sorry for what this fil-ams did, i'm so ashamed of they as will. Pacific islanders are cousins to filipino, but it doesn't mean or have the rights to use your cultures, it's like that one cousin pointing at your house and saying it's theirs to other people. That's why we distance our selves to 3rd gen filipinos in the US. I just wanna slap my sleepers to this kind of Fil-ams and proceed to remove their faces off the face of the earth.
As a Polynesian, I can tell you that we appreciate everyone that embraces us HOWEVER we do get annoyed when Filipinos claim they are Pacific Islanders because they dont like being Asian. We are not a mask to put on during Halloween. We are not an umbrella to shield you from being showered with Asian stereotypes. We are a people, we are who we are by birth, not by choice. Please stop!
As a Pacific Islander, I hate the term "Asian Pacific Islander". We are already so underrepresented (more so than any other race) and the AAPI term lumps us in with Asian Americans. We go through very different challenges compared to Asian Americans.
The term came into existence because so many PIs are mixed with Asian especially native Hawaiians who come from a land that's now majority Asian. Along with Fiji Indians. But I agree Asians and Pacific Islanders shouldn't be lumped together. It erases PIs and your guys' specific issues. It's highly disrespectful.
In my extensive travels, I have only encountered Filipino-Americans claiming to be pacific islanders. Every other filipinos in other countries, including those from Ph, KNOWS we are Asians. They are just basically ignorant of their own cultural identity, it's embarrasing. All our cultural, geopolitical, and linguistic influences are rooted in freaking southeast Asia. I saw this explained by one historian youtuber, Kirby Araullo, which was just fantastic. America needed cheap labor but just passed anti Asian Migration laws so they retagged Filipinos as Pacific Islanders to exploit them. I live in NZ (a lot of real pacific islanders) and none of them say we look like them aside from the skin color. They dont even include us in the international gathering of pacific islanders. They dont raise the Philippine flag there. Know why? Because they dont consider us as Pacific Islanders. However, anyone who has eyes can see we resemble Malaysians, Thais, Indonesians, and other people residing in Southeast Asia. You know why? Because we are Asians. There, mystery solved.
Same goes in the Philippines, no filipino will consider pacific islanders and foreigners in general as real filipinos. Foreigners here have nicknames. Some nice, others rude. 😁✌️
It's because Filipino-AMERICANS focus on skin color and anti-Chinese stuff rather than culture. They claim things like "REAL Filipinos are DARK brown to Black skin with curly hair" and "Japanese/Taiwanese are TOO WHITE/too Chinese to be Pacific Islanders". And they love to misuse migration to benefit them. Some of them understand that Pacific Islanders migrated from Asia, but they refuse to believe that Filipino are related other Asians, especially Chinese. Essentially what they're saying is that Pacific Islanders came from the Philippines and that's how Filipinos are Pacific Islanders. That's like saying British people are Americans because White-Americans came from Britain. It's dumb. The whole anti-Chinese stuff is even dumber though because the population of the Philippines has around 30 million Filipinos with Ming-Chinese or Han-Chinese ancestry, especially in the North. The same North where the Philippine Revolution happened. Our national hero was a light-skinned Tagalog/Spanish/Chinese, but these Fil-Ams still think real Filipinos are dark skinned and not Chinese. But, overall though, most Filipino-Americans consider themselves Asian, it's always the loud and delusional Fil-Ams that are in the comments trying to justify their thievery of Pacific Islander culture. Edit: *thievery of Pacific Islander cultural identity.
Damn Americans always complicating things. To make the distinction which is Asian or not, just look at history. Precolonial Filipinos traded extensively with other Asian nations, especially with the Chinese and Malays before Europeans came, in process our languages obtained vocabulary from Malay, Hokkien, Sanskrit and even Persian and Arab. We forged our own blades and even had gunpowder technology. We had (and some ethnic groups still do) our own writing system which is rooted to Brahmic script in India. There are more things out there that Philippines does have that Pacific Island nations don't. None of these are present in Pacific Island nations. Anyone who claims that Filipinos are Pacific Islanders have no idea about the Philippines, its language, history and culture. No wonder this sentiment mostly comes from Filipino-Americans. If we're going to base on purely genetic and linguistic reasons, then might as well call people of Madagascar as Pacific Islanders, despite being on the other side of Indian Ocean.
Filipino-Americans are annoying i saw 1 video in tiktok saying that Filipinos don't want to claim H.E.R cos she is half black Lmao they literally makes everything so problematic
Very true. Most Fil-ams who doesn't even know most of our history and doesn't even experience living in Philippines have the audacity to say things like these, lol. Spreading more lies and dividing filipinos more.
@@faanengaaw7357 Thanks for confirming that you don’t read...I bet you think Filipinos got their tattoo and boat building culture from you. Clearly ours existed far longer.
I think the reason why some Filipino-Americans don't want to be identified as an Asian is because of the nerdy introverted Asian stereotype. I've been here in the US for almost three years, and I just realized that you're not quite in a good position if you're an introvert. Hospitality is not so much an innate American thing as much as it is in the Philippines. So if you go to America with some degree of struggle in English, Americans may not cater to you as much as Filipinos naturally welcome a newcomer. This was something that I need to get used to over the next couple of years. Call it forced extroversion. With other Asians who come into America who are less fluent English, their introversion would probably get more pronounced. Hence, I could imagine why Filipino Americans would wanna avoid that stereotype. I do consider myself ASIAN though. Regardless how Asians are stereotypically viewed.
we are not asians nor pacific islader. Even not southeast asian. We are just filipino. Leave it at that. Asians , pacific islander, southeast asian, latinos and etc should be the one that associate with US. Come on fil-am u let pinoy pride down.
Nope. Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
@@juliadimayuga7052 As someone who's Southeast Asian I've always vibed better with Filipinos. Most people in America think Asians are only Chinese, Japanese and Korean. And many people of East Asian descent don't know too much about Asia so they think they're the real Asians and we're fake. Also of the Asians I get mistaken for, I get mistaken for Filipino the most; like 80% of the time.
Wow. Just because Fil-Ams doesn't want to be stereotyped doesn't mean they should invade the identity of other minority groups and harming them while doing so.
Yes, we know, filipinos living in the Philippines claim to be asian, trust me, literally nobody in the Philippines think of themselves as pacific islanders
only fil am thinks theyre pacific islanders not even Filipinos from other countries call themselves that. have you seen an aussie Filipino or European Filipino classify as a pacific islander? no cuz its only FIL AMERICANS that has identity problems hahaha its sad really
@@dimsumb7696 what do we even expect from America? They even complicate and are very sensitive to pronouns and nouns, lol. Maybe, those fil-ams adapted the craziness of those Americans.
It's funny how FilAms consider themselves PI but not Papuans, who have a substantial across-the-board influence in all Pacific Islands because Papua is the origin of taro agriculture (and sugarcane and bananas, btw). FilAms are so hell bent in erasing both SEAsia and Papua.
@@chrisabrenica6267 People from papua new guinea are austronesians so are filipinos 😀, our language and origin are the same, ps. For the people claiming they are asians have 0 clue about what they are saying, we dont call Russians, Jews, and arabs as asians just because they are from asia 😉
@@joemama8243 There are divisions in Austronesian languages family that can disqualify Filipino as Pacific Islanders. Languages in Philipines are grouped in West Malayo Polynesian type along with languages in Malaysia and Western Indonesia, while languages that spoken in entire Pacific Islands countries are grouped in Oceanic type. So, Filipino and Pacific Islanders are just shared general Austronesian speaking group indientify, but still Filipino aren't speaker of Oceanic Austronesian languages which is must to be considered as Pacific Islanders. So, Filipino should be called Maritime South East Asia since this is the region where West Malayo Polynesian type Austronesia language mainly spoken. Pacific Islanders is for speaker of Oceanic Austronesian languages. Austronesian is like Semitic, no one call Jews are Arabs since there are West-East divisions inside Semitic languages family. So, by this West-East divisions, Filipino are also disqualified for being Pacific Islanders. Also, Asian isn't just Han Chinese. Slavs from Eastern Europe never called themselves Germans. Calling a Filipino as Pacific Islanders is like Saying Spaniards are Britons, or Italian are Nordic. Just FYI, Austronesian isn't equal to Pacific Islander. Pacific Islander is sub-division inside Austronesian (but Internationally accepted terminology that used by UN is Oceanian, Pacific Islanders is too US-centric) like Slavs inside caucassoid Europe, not a general term for all Austronesian people. The word of Pacific Islanders isn't equal to European, it's just equal to Slavs.
@@joemama8243 And not all people of Papua New Guinea and West Guinea of Indonesia are Austronesian languages speakers. Only people from coastal New Guinea Island speak Austronesian, people from mountainous part of Guinea Island speak an isolated language that can only found inside Guinea Islands.
I think yous need to visit New Zealand and you will quickly see the differences between Asians and Pacific Islanders lol. Then you will realize that you Filipinos are asians
@@chrisabrenica6267 Actually US have significant Vietnamese and Thai immigrants but the problem is Vietnam is culturally inside Sinosphere despite geographically inside South East Asia (so Vietnamese in US can blend easily with Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans since they are also part of chopstick culture), while for Thai, most immigrants are Chinese descents and even for non-Chinese Thai, they still have unique tonal language that would be sounds a bit Chinese for average White Anglo Saxxon who don't familiar with diversity in Asia as continent. Also, Malaysian and Indonesian immigrants in US are also mostly Chinese descents who hate Malay-muslim supremacist propaganda in their (former) country. So, this circumstance make Filipino as the most non-Chinese-esque Asian in US if you use Asian as interchangeable word for Mongoloid and Sinophere which is true in colloquial American English. So, since Pacific Islanders are also Austronesian, so they try to indientify Filipino as Pacific Islands, but the problem is it's like an Italian try to call themselves as an Anglo Saxxon, or Greek try to call themselves as Slavs. Or like Iraian call themselves Russian. Still speak same language family but from different sub-division.
Im filipino and live in the philippines, to be honest, we grow up (majority) with the information that we are asian. I don't know that there is called "pacific islander" until I graduated college hahaha. mostly this kind of issue encounter only by Fil-Am or Filipino live in western country (I think).
@Juan Luna Well, just know that the term “Pacific Islander” is used in the census to refer to Polynesians, Micronesians, and Melanesians. Not Filipinos. I suppose, like the whole gender thing, you can just claim whatever you want. Just don’t expect the rest of us to play along with you on your game of musical chairs with group identities.
I think theres a deeper reason to why Fil-Ams call themselves Pacific Islanders. Its the lack of knowledge of their own history and culture. Filipino Parents dont even bother teaching the kids the language. Since they dont know the South East Asian history of the Indonesians and Malaysians and that these groups are very small minority in the US. Fil-Ams attach themselves to the next closest relative which are the Pacific Islanders. But to claim Pacific Islander is simply false and Completely ignores our own rich history of Austronesian roots.
@Koko martin Maybe its the approach your taking dont go into the conversation trying to “correct” them, try to educate them. Start with explaining Pre colonial history. If they argue your facts you can ask them to fact check you on google. Hell ask them to google image search Indonesian people or Malaysian people. They will realize how much more we look like them rather than Pacific Islanders. Bonus if they know how to speak Filipino they can find out how similar the languages are.
@@666melodeath666 many FilAms know they're Asian deep inside. They're like Trump supporters, no matter what facts you show them, they'll deny deny deny.
@@hocares6983 So were the Indonesians Malaysians Taiwanese. Theyre all called Asians. We are part of the Austronesian Family but Filipinos are South East Asians. In fact just search Indonesian people or Malaysian people Filipinos look way more like them than Polynesians. We are part of the Malay race our food/culture/ languages are much closer to South East Asians. You mentioned time before the Spanish guess what religions in the Philippines were mostly Animists Hindu Buddhists and Muslims before the Spanish. The maritime trade didnt end with the Spanish in fact they took advantage of it to get goods from Asia. Fact is out ancestors are related to Pacific Islanders but geographically and culturally we are different. We are not in the middle of the pacific to be called Pacific Islanders. We’re just on the edge of it. Asia is the largest continent and includes many different cultures. Filipinos = Asians
Thank you, this is the realest explanation I've ever heard! I'm part Native Hawaiian, Chamorro, and Filipino also. Proud to be all three, and pride should mean standing for each group standing with each other, but able to be on their own.
As a Filipino born and raised in the Philippines, there is no question that we are Asians. Filipino-Americans who would argue otherwise do just have an insane amount of identity crisis.
@@shangchi828 That's a silly question. The majority of Southeast Asians don't even use chopsticks except the Vietnamese. Why would Southeast Asians such as Filipinos, Indonesians and Malays use chopsticks?
@@bukonut Thai , Cambodian, Laos do use Chopsticks for noodle dishes and noodle soups. Filipinos traditionally use hands for everything except soups which they use spoons
It's not an Identity crisis , Filipino Americans know our identity is Filipino first of all, Identity is like a signature, it's unique, it's a particular thing that is only unique to our one nationality which is the Philippines. We are Filipino, Filipino is our Identity. What this is , is a cultural and ethnic family classification issue, and this issue is not a "crisis"
As I got older I wondered why my cousins only did Hula & Tahitian dancing (my mom even signed us up in grade school but I quit).....like that seems weird if you're not actually from Hawaii or Pacific Islander. They could do so many Filipino cultural dances and traditional wear but I guess that's America for you. I'd rather show my Fil-Am/Native American pride than pretend to be Hawaiian.
I hate when these Fil-Ams take our Filipino traditional dances and claim it's related to Pacific Islander culture. Like, first of all, which one of our over 100 traditional dances? And secondly, if y'all want to go that route, Tinikling, Singkil, aka bamboo dances are found all over Asia. Even East Indians (Mizo people) have a bamboo dance called Cheraw kan. One dude even had the nerve to claim a Filipino minority dance of WOMEN dancing in a circle is related to the Haka WAR dance of the Maori people. Like, seriously, dancing in circles vs an iconic intimidation dance are somehow related? Delulu as hell.
what's even weird, in the eyes of Western, especially during pandemic, anti-Asian hate crime happening, Filipinos got attacked too, no one even mistaken them as Pacific Islander before getting attacked
Only Fil-Ams claim to be Hispanic or Pacific Islanders. No one in the Philippines claim this Do not drag Filipinos in the Philippines in this Fil-Am identity crisis
Filipino Americans seems to have a lot of identity issues the Filipinos in the Philippines don't struggle with. Almost nobody in the Philippines will say they are Latinos, Pacific Islander or even Filipinx. Maybe start with learning their culture deeper, learn the language and visit the Philippine more often. Remove the Americanized idea of what you should be. It isn't complicated. Filipinos are Asians, period.
@godsays4081 unfortunately that was a cap. Filipinos are more similar with continental asian like khemer than Pacific Islanders even by dna family. Southern chinese is more closer to Filipino than Pacific Islanders moron
Thank you for this. I’ve always been so confused why my Filipino (American) friends would ignorantly claim Pacific Islander. On one hand, doing so is an attempt to erase Southeast Asian ties....that are literally obvious culturally and geographically And on another hand, it is overshadowing actual Pacific Islander voices that already DON’T get enough accurate representation.
You'll be always confused because Filipinos are confused too. Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
Exactly! There's a lot of fakeness going in America, especially them Filipinos telling other people that were not asians because of our eyes which is completely idiotic and ignorant.
@@geraldbataga7510 The funny part is the Fil-Ams get really angry, when it is actual Pacific Islanders telling them, that Filipinos are not Pacific Islanders.
Unfortunately I've met many filipinos claiming 'Polynesian'. They don't realise that our culture is already getting screwed over by white people and black people claiming to know the true origins of polynesians. Adding filipino claims into the mix just helps to spread misinformation and in turn, us polynesians have more and more of our identity tainted because of it. Be proud of where you come from and don't go pushing yourself into another category.
@god says even you you don’t know about our history. You are spreading wrong information here just to push that Filipinos are Pacific Islanders which is wrong. You cannot even backed your claims
@god says huh? The heck are you saying. Dna shows they are different as Pacific Islander belong to haplo M whole Filipinos are haplo O. I can back my claims how about? You cannot!
@god says Lol that is such a twist in the truth its not even funny. What you are referring to is the DNA test of ancient remains (we are talking 3,000 years) remains found in Tonga. Not Filipines at all. It showed that they were related to Atayal peoples in Taiwan. Again, Not Filipines at ALL. It also showed NO DNA found more south of Taiwan which they were expecting there to be to support the 'through-Philipines' model, that was the striking thing about it and the findings actually BROKE the theory that Asians populated Polynesia through the Philipines where they picked up Papuan (Negrito) DNA. The Polynesians, it was shown, got Papuan DNA directly from New Guineans in a second wave a thousand years later. This really upset influential academics in this space (who happen to be Filipino-American) and made it hard to publish the results. The ONLY connection that can be made with Filipinos and Polynesia is the fact that Igorot are related to Atayal people. Thats it. If anything it shows that SOME indigenous Filipinos share an ancestry with Polynesians, but that does not make them Polynesian or Pacific Islander. Thats like saying White Russians are French because they share a connection with ancient Anatolia (birth place of white people). Actually now that I mention, there was a group of people in history that made really far fetched claims like that and tried to erase a side of themselves they didnt like, it didnt end well, it caused WWII and ethnic cleansing. It started JUST LIKE THIS.
dude if you want to see people with the most looking Pacific islanders in Asia, its Indonesian people and they never claim to be pacific islanders because they are asian people who live in Asia 😂😂 Pacific islanders people who lives in pacific Pacific Ocean.. get it?
I've seen people get a misconception that Islanders are Asian because of this. A guy said to me "Islanders are Asian" then later said "I know Filipinos, all of them saying they're Islanders". It's clear he had gotten confused and ending up coming off as racist.
STOP! We have no similarities or links to anything Polynesian. The Philippines have a multitude of influences of culture such as Chinese, Indian, Arabic, Spanish and now American. We are Asian and specifically Southeast Asians along with our brothers in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam and etc...
Exactly! There's a lot of fakeness going in America, especially them Filipinos telling other people that were not asians because of our eyes which is completely idiotic and ignorant.
just to clarify we're all austronesian and came from the same homeland but some of us sailed many years ago far from eachother and thats why we dont look alike now but saying ph and polynesian have nothing in common is wrong
Im Filipino American, born in the Philippines living in the US most of my life. I always knew I was South East Asian. I often ask other people, are you part Filipino? You must, coz your good looking 😂😂.Power to my SEA brothers and sisters🇵🇭🇺🇸 and peace to my Pacific Island cousins. Cheehoo!
I've been debating with pro-Pacific Filipino for 6 months now. They think.... "Japanese are too white to be Pacific Islanders" (Okinawans and some Japanese like the Native Japanese are dark-skinned) "Taiwan/Japan is too Chinese to be Pacific Islanders" (2 million Filipinos consider themselves pure-Chinese and 25% of 110m consider themselves Chinese-mixed) "Taiwan, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc was never colonized by America, so they can't be Pacific islanders" (Maori. Melanesians. Never colonized by America either...) "All Southeast Asians are Pacific Islanders" (a lot of them claim this) They have a lot of excuses for why Taiwan and Japan are not Pacific Islanders. There you have it, they think a lot about color of people's skins, and some of them are actually blatantly racist.
@@thwb4661 For real. I've had several pro-Pacific Filipino (Americans) claim to me in the comments that they "know better" because they are more knowledgeable on the subject because they are Americans. (Little hint: Americans DO NOT learn about the Philippines in the US. Not in high school and not in college.) These guys are so delusional they think their opinion is the majority and think Philippine-Filipinos are less educated. They tell me those things and then they have the nerve to tell me I have a colonial mentality because I consider Filipinos as Asian. The nerve, bro. smh
@@joodeki Just say they are Americans of Filipino descent. I don't claim actually as "Filipinos" especially those were born and raised in the US, don't speak a Philippine language, nor have set foot in the Philippines. To me, the only Filipino that they have is their ancestry, the rest is American. So, I don't consider them to be one of us unless they actually live (at least partly) in the Philippines like Bretman Rock.
@@thwb4661 I mean, that's an over simplification of it. There are many Filipino-Americans that moved here for a job/family, but were born in the Philippines. And many Filipino-Americans do not label themselves as "Pacific Islander". These pro-Pacific Filipinos are just a very vocal minority and do not represent the Filipino-Americans that consider themselves Asians. Most first generation (children born in the US) Filipino-Americans are proud Asians, even if they may not relate to the Philippines (Most Asian-Americans relate to other Asian-Americans and are often hated/disliked by people of their home country). Kinda like how you're saying "they're not Filipino", despite them still being ethnically Filipino. However, with that said, I understand, from time to time I do just say "Fil-Am". I just don't do it all the time to avoid "simplification". (I've run into a few Philippine-Filipinos that do claim they are Pacific Islanders).
@god says lol exactly I’m half Filipino but from culture all the way to physical aspects and mannerisms Filipinos are strikingly similar to Pacific Islanders due to 1. Spanish colonization 2. Pacific Islanders originate from the same point of south east Asia Filipinos did near Taiwan
@god says maritime southeast Asians have close links genetically and linguistically to the pacific islands especially Guam and Palau, but we aren’t the same
We Filipinos in the Philippines strongly identifies as Southeast Asians. We are not even aware of Pacific Islanders. The Southeast Asian connection here is very strong. Who we don't connect to are the Filipino Americans because they are so white washed.
i dont know why some people are having a hard time understanding that Filipinos are literally, ethnically, racially, geographically Southeast Asians. im so sick and tired explaining this to people. A lot of people specially in tiktok are claiming that Filipinos are not Asians like wtf??!! I dont know if they are trolls or not but its really offensive. Filipinos are Asian! Not Pacific Islanders. I feel like people who are pushing the idea that Filipinos are Pacific Islander just wanted attention and just wanna gain popularity. Filipinos are very different from pacific Islanders. I always try my best to explain this to people in tiktok, i told them to watch videos here in RUclips for a concrete explanation that FILIPINOS ARE ASIAN. No one in the Philippines claim that they are Pacific islanders, they are all aware that they are Asians and they are so proud of it. This whole thing was taught in grade school in the Philippines. I love every race but its really offensive for me the a lot of people are not proud of their roots. it's offensive to pretend to be someone you're not. If you put a Filipino, a Malaysian, and an Indonesian in a room, you will notice that they look very similar because they have same ancestry. They are originally Southeast Asian, some Thai look like Filipino too. Actually Southeast Asians have different skin tone in present time (light, dark, brown). For example, Southeast Asian Countries like Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, a lot of people there has dark/brown skin tone, we could say that's because the climate is tropical, humid, and very hot. Scientifically, they are originally dark thousands of years ago. These dark original people actually were the original people to reach and inhabit all of South East Asia. Though it didn’t go as high up as the northern half of Vietnam or Laos etc. These countries immediately under China are sometimes known as Indochina, it appears the original dark native people that came from Africa did inhabit most of the lower areas of Indochina, meaning most of Thailand, southern Vietnam etc. These dark original people fully inhabited all of the island South East Asia, meaning Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines etc. And yes, Filipinos were colonized by the Spaniards. we do have cultures that is similar to Spanish but our Southeast Asian Culture are strong too. Also, one thing that added to the confusion is because a lot of people in the Philippines has Spanish last name (due to colonization) but in reality the majority of Filipinos are full blooded SOUTHEAST ASIAN. WE SHOULD ALL LOVE AND RESPECT EACH OTHER!
what's funny is, these non-filipinos and fil-ams are the ones who's forcing the idea of what should we identify as, their claims should actually matter the least when it comes to our identity, they act like they know the philippines more than the native filipinos do
Thank you for this video, most filipinos get upset or defensive and automatically call me racist or hateful but I understand the amount of pain they go through just to be included. Alot of FilAms need to see this video and educate themselves and be humble about themselves. Alot of people are mislead that all pacific islanders originated from Philippines but to be specific during the migration of Asians and islanders Phillipines was never a collective people and race / ethnicity until Spain gave them their name. I have plenty filipino family and friends and I don't hate them, they are one of the hardest working people on the planet nice and kind.
True I am out here in the USA and I do get alot who rather be pacific islanders over Asians and their reason is they are from an island. So I ask them what about Japanese? They are on an island but they don't reference themselves as Pacific Islanders. Then they give ne the bad look. I'm sorry just stating the facts. What was the names of the people and place before spain arrived?
@@guahunai3308 Philippines president was divided into multiple kingdoms. The kingdom of sugbu, tondo,mai, cabolam, magindanao, sulu, ijang, namayan,dapete, mariete and butuan. Other parts remain tribal like kagayan and igorot society
@@guahunai3308 depending on region majority are austronesians but in terms of people group you can say indians, malay, southern Chinese even Japanese and vietnamese
This is why most Polynesians I know just roll their eyes when some Filipinos consider themselves Pacific Islanders. Pasifika people are already unrepresented and hate being thrown under the umbrella term ‘AAPI.’ That month serves no purpose for them as it ignores them. For you to consider yourself one for your identity crisis or whatever reason is adding to the problem. Those who claim to be Pacific Islander but have no interest in the ongoing problems Pacific Islander ppl are facing. Uninterested in what’s going on in Hawaii! Getting traditional tattoo because the rock or pasifika ppl has it without learning the meaning & history behind it! I remember in high school a small group of Filipino wear island attire and jewelry to school but when it comes to multicultural event, they joined our Asian club but didn’t join the Polynesian club. Everyone knows PI people are those who has origins from Oceania. Just stop the nonsense. Also I’m not bashing all Filipinos, this is just something I experienced and see happen a lot in California.
Dont generalize us. Only filipino americans claim that. I never heard of this in my country until i saw a video of fil americans considering themselves as pacific islanders. Such a disgrace thay they are dragging us into an issue we dont even know about.
I think what seals the deal is that Southeast Asians we know of now weren’t the original inhabitants of Southeast Asia, it was Melanesians until they came and took over which is why they’re still pockets of Melanesian or Pygmy tribes still there.
Here is a question for you Filipinos. As a Polynesian myself, a lot of us Polynesians and other Pacific Islanders I've talked to, see Filipino Americans that claim to be Pacific Islanders as people who love our culture and wishes it were their own. We see them as people who hate themselves and their own culture so much that even though the people who these Filipino Americans want to associate with (Polynesians) try to educate them, they harden their brain and refuse to listen to the truth even though the facts are clear. But here is the question, why? What is so bad about being Filipino that make these Filipino Americans try to be something they are not? Is all this due to negative Asian stereotypes?
Well many Americans have this ignorant stereotype that all "Asian" cultures are Sinitic for some stupid reason. Filipino culture and history breaks a lot of "Asian" stereotypes in that Filipinos are Hispanized.
I think the identity crisis just comes from the multiple colonizing and imperializing forces on the Philippines, I mean for about 400 years we had no rest from those colonizing forces always trying to conquer us from the Spanish to America to Japan and then finally we had our own rule.So because fil Ams, weren’t born in the mainland Philippines they had no proper education on their own history and culture and ties with other countries in precolonial Times. Therefore when Filipinos claim Pacific Islander I think they do it because of lack of cultural ties with Filipino culture and history or they just don’t want to deal with negative Asian stereotypes which is insanely infuriating. Which I totally get .
During the migration of the ancestors of Micronesia and Polynesia around 6000 years ago phillipines were never and identification tribe and or chain of islands. So our ancestors technically didn't come from phillipines and your ethnicity was never created. What was the name of these chain of islands 6000 yrs ago? What tribe do you all claim and did the ancestors of our people Micronesia and Polynesia identify your ancestors in our history? Sundaland?
If you consider philippines to be pacific islander coz its close to pacific ocean. Then consider japan as well, coz technically japan is closer to the pacific ocean than philippines. . And culturally, we are much closer to indonesia and malaysia and even latin america than pacific islander. . The only thing common with filipinos and pacific islanders is we are all categorized austronesians.
Philippines is very close to the Pacific, but yea they're Maritime Southeast Asians just like Indonesia and Malaysia. Most Pacific Islanders are a mix between Austronesians (Native Taiwanese and Maritime Southeast Asians) and Melanesians (Papuans, Negritos, etc) that somehow by some genetic mutations they became big and tall. Filipinos are Southeast Asian Austronesians.
Philippines is still inside Eurasian tectonic plate like China, while all Pacific Island countries are inside Pacific plate (but probably Papua New Guinea is an exception since they are inside of Indo-australia plate.
There are a lot of Austronesian branches. Firstly, there's a pure Austronesian (Native Taiwanese), then there's Maritime Southeast Asian Austronesians a mix between pure Austronesians, Negritos, Melanesians, and Austroasiatics (Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, etc), African Austronesians a mix between pure Austronesians and Africans (Madagascans), Pasifika Austronesians a mix between pure Austronesians and Melanesians (Polynesians and Micronesians).
@KOKO Martin yes we're actually related to all of them by our Austronesian ancestors, BUT WE'RE NOT Pacific Islanders (Pasifika Austronesian) WE'RE SOUTHEAST ASIAN AUSTRONESIAN of course there are some similarities in words/numbers but no WE ARE NOT PACIFIC ISLANDERS. WE ARE RELATED TO THEM BUT WE ARE NOT THEM. Their genes are fair in Austronesian and Melanesian while our genes are mixed with Austronesian, Austroasiatic, and a little Negrito percentage, some of us are pure or high in Austronesian genes, some are high in Austroasiatic genes, even some of us are mixed with Han Asian genes like Chinese.
Finally someone who gets it. we are austronesians and are in fact related to the Pacific Islanders, however we are not them as we are Southeast Asians like Indonesians and Malaysians. Much better responsd than the fil-ams saying we're not Asians :/
@@kimlip961 Filipinos arent mixed with Austroasiatic, Filipinos are lumped together with Native Taiwanese genetically but linguistically lumped together with Indonesian and Malaysian (Malayo-Polynesian)
@@uglybepis3571actually there was a 2021 paper released that showed that austro-asiatics did come as a wave to the philippines some time after the negrito/papuan migration but before the austronesian migration from taiwan. From what I remember from reading the paper a lot of them settled on mindanao.
As a Sāmoan, it’s already hard enough for Pasifika since we are underrepresented in AAPI month. Our issues are ignored from colonisation, stolen lands & climate change. It’s hard when our voices are not heard. I see some Filipinos in the US, now getting Sāmoan cultural tatau (tattoos) to prove they’re are Pasifika 🤦🏽♂️
I think thats more flattery than anything else if thats really whats going on with the art and to be fair, if you're going to have a moan about that, hold the same energy for white ppl who adorn moko and poly-style tatts because we've all seen those havent we, there are loads of these types in the west. If a Filipino wants to wear samoan art let them I dont see the issue as long as they are doing it to show solidarity for their samoan mates.
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 yeah I think its flattery, i mean, I do see a lot of white ppl walking around with polynesian art. Hell, theres a studio down the street pumping it out to tourists and no one says anything until a Filipino steps out lol, the internal hypocrisy is funny to observe I will say.
@@powderpuffs4456 😂i want to say its flattery to begin with, but, we've seen too many at this point I mean, its a business now with dedicated studios run by ppl who got no business in the pacific
Challenge of the Day: Find one RUclips video about Polynesians that have no Filipinos in the comment section. Bet no one finds a single video. Seems Filipino Americans are infatuated with us Polynesians. We should be flattered but it went from being flattered to being annoyed.
We deeply apologise on behalf of them dumb filams, as filipinos living in the Philippines, we promise you guys, nobody in here does not classify themselves as pacific islander, literally all filipinos here in the Philippines classify themselves as southeast asian
I work at a tattoo shop and the amount of white ppl and asians that come in for moko and fake poly art is astounding.. its a real export and the west loves it so much. They do love poly so and poly culture its amazing to see the respect they show through mimicry isnt it?
2:29 🤦♂️ so not because they think they’re Pacific Islanders, but because they don’t wanna be Asian? That’s a stupid reason to be selecting Pacific Islander. Stop comparing yourself to East Asians, yall are SOUTHEAST Asians.
It makes so much sense! My husband has a friend who came to visit. He’s native California but living in the Phillipines. What makes sense to me is because my grandparents from Switzerland and Norway had to deal with so many stereotypes. Great video! Thank you 💕
Philippines do not have Oceanic geology, we are not Pacific Islanders, despite the similarities in our heritage. We are Southeast Asians. Period. From a Filipino living in New Zealand, I can assure you PI pals are built different and we are built different. We should clearly set the record straight. It’s just the US who thinks Filipinos are PIs.
I've been debating with pro-Pacific Filipino for 6 months in another video, many of them don't care about geography. They see "a lot" of similarities between Pacific Islanders and Filipino, but they love to ignore the even more similarities between Southeast Asians, East Asians, and Filipino. Like, they straight up tell me "Taiwanese/Japanese are too Chinese to be Pacific islanders", while ignoring the fact that the Philippines has a lot of pure-Chinese Filipino and way more Chinese-mixed Filipinos. 1/4 of our traditional foods is Chinese-related for crying out loud. And tinikling uses BAMBOO. They tend to be Filipino-American, so they don't even understand there are 170+ different groups of people in the Philippines. By the way, the similarities they always mention is "Samoans use the same number system "we" do!" (Isa, dalawa, tatlo). But like.. Zamboagans speak Spanish, that doesn't make them European.... So, yeah... that's the kind of people they are from my 6 months experience debating with them.
Filipino-American who claims they are Pacific Islanders and not asian are not Filipino but outsiders. They usually spread their own makeup stories but can’t backed it up
Exactly! There's a lot of fakeness going in there, especially them Filipinos telling other people that were not asians because of our eyes which is completely idiotic and ignorant.
Im Filipino and I can guarantee you right now Jose Rizal, the Ilustrados and other Filipino Hispanistas would be laughing at these Fil-American ignorance of calling Filipinos "Pacific Islanders". There was a reason why the Philippines was called "La Perla del Mar de Oriente"- the Pearl of the Orient Sea- and it is because the Philippines is in ASIA, specifically South East Asia. Just because the Philippines is in Asia doesnt cancel it's shared heritage with Spain and Mexico, and doesnt mean the Philippines has to subscribe to the ignorant stereotype that all "Asian" cultures are Sinitic.
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 that means absolutely nothing. White people have been living in the Pacific for generations, does that make them Pacific Islander as well??
@@powderpuffs4456 Filipinos have been living in Hawaii since shortly after the year 1899 when Spain lost the PH to USA. Filipinos have been living in Guam for centuries since the time Guam became a Spanish territory in the mid 16th century. Guam and the Philippines were known then as the Spanish East Indies (Las Indias Orientales).
Filipinos who live outside of the Philippines particularly the US have an identity crisis 😂 they don't know if they're South East Asian, Pacific Islander or Latino. They will just claim whichever one that benefits them the most.
Of course. Do we have the choice when they grouped us with Asians? They made the choice. Is it wrong to identify as pacific islanders if it would benefit us? Why yes? We are the ones living here in the pacific islands of the Philippines. Why it would be them to have the right to designate what should be our identity?
@@srebaayao9616 It's quite disrespectful to actual Native Hawaiian, Samoan, Guamanian, Chamorro, Fijian, and Tongan people that you're trying to steal their identity for your own personal gains. Its very similar to how some Black Americans are claiming to be the original Native Americans. "Do we have the choice when they grouped us with Asians" dude they grouped you with Asians because you're freaking Asian, Southeast Asian to be exact 😂
@@srebaayao9616 the day you Filams have pro NFL players and top football prospects then maybe you guys can claim Pacific Islanders. You guys aren't built the same, Samoans and Tongans genetics are very different from Filipinos. Japan is an Island in the Pacific Ocean do they make this outrageous claim to be Pacific Islanders? Filipinos in Philippines proudly claim to be Asian it's only you Filams who have this identity crisis 😂
Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
@@jakeplummer2477 Thanks and yes, but both scientific and sociology fails on this population. Liguistically similar, culturally very distinct as well as genetic. It might be sparsed or little population but that's what we called Migration or Breeding. The closest one is Filipinos to the Pacific Islanders but Melanesia and Micronesia is different stories of Migration but culturally adoptation during Colonization. Hope I can further explain it to you scientifically but you need to travel the Pacific Ring of Fire so you can scientically both postive and negative dissertation not just by reading Wikipedia.
@@joeutuber6423 genetically? How is it distinct genetically when Filipinos look exactly like other Southeast Asians? Also culturally, Filipino culture is very similar to other Southeast Asians. Look at Filipino food...look at Filipino dances...look at the deep history Filipinos have with other Asians like China and even India. I've lived in the South Pacific and other than Micronesians looking like Southeast Asians...there are not many similarities with Filipino culture and Pacific Islander culture.
Jake Plummer indo, malay and filipinos are austronesians. They are the only people in southeast asia to speak languages from the same language family and the ones to look like us. I mean the thais look alot similar to us too but theyre much more siamese i.e. burmese.
Im making a movie about this. Any opinions on my script? Here's the revised script: Kiko: (excitedly) Yo, Sione! I've been learning about our shared Pacific Islander roots! Sione: (scoffs) Oh please, Kiko. You don't know anything about Polynesian culture. Kiko: (proudly) Hey, I do too! We both love tattoos, and we both have a strong connection to the ocean... and we both love luaus! Sione: (rolling his eyes) Luaus? You think that's all there is to Polynesian culture? That's just tourist stuff. Kiko: (defensively) Hey, luaus are important! And we also have those cool grass huts... and we love dancing with grass skirts! Sione: (disgusted) Grass skirts? You're perpetuating stereotypes, Kiko. You don't know anything about our real culture. Kiko: (offended) Hey, I'm just trying to connect with my roots! You're always so quick to shut me down. Sione: (frustrated) Your roots? You're not even Polynesian, Kiko! You're Filipino. Just be proud of your own culture. Kiko: (angrily) My culture is Pacific Islander, just like yours! And I won't let you dictate what I can and can't claim. Sione: (firmly) Fine, Kiko. But don't come crying to me when you realize you're just appropriating a culture you don't understand. Kiko: (furiously) I don't need your approval, Sione! And I'll keep learning about my Pacific Islander heritage, with or without your help! (storms off) In this version, Kiko is offended by Sione's dismissal of his attempts to connect with Polynesian culture. Kiko feels that Sione is being elitist and exclusionary, and he becomes angry and defensive.
Well the Philippines are in Asia…Asians come from Asia. Pacific Islanders come from the pacific islands. Pretty simple. Yes, Pacific Islanders have some genetics from the Philippines, however, Filipinos do not have the genetics of the pacific islands. A Pacific Islander is not Asian because of the additional mix from Papuan people that the Filipinos do not possess
The indigenous peoples of the Philippines do possess it which means you do too. most Filipinos in the Philippines today are NOT true Filipinos anyways.
I'm Pinoy but grew up in Australia. A lot of Filipinos growing up also had an identity crisis but no one claimed to be pacific islander. A lot of the filo kids would just put on some phony American accent or claim to be part spanish lol
We are Southeast Asians of the Malay race!!! Only people who claims otherwise didn't even grew up or don't even know how to speak one filipino dialect.. Ironic...
I love this video... I’m a Filipino and I consider myself as a Filipino... we are conquering the world... Not by force but by spreading positive things... Proud Pinoy forever ✊🏽🇵🇭❤️
The Philippines is asian and we are located in south east asia our ancestor come from aborigine taiwan not the han chinese then they stayed in the archipelago for a long time and intermarried the locals there which is the Negritos and Aeta then they started to migrate in the south and east even reach the polynesian and the madagascar. If u look at the tribe in the north the Cordilleran people the ifugao and igorot they are much more related to the tribes of taiwan the language also they practice head hunting and tattooing the T'boli tribe of mindanao also they are much related to the tribes of taiwan linguistically it may related they are called the 'dreamweavers of the philippines' the pintados of visayan idk but if u look at the tattoo they are similar or maybe its just a coincidence but yeah they are austronesian also each tribe has their own beliefs not all are hindu and buddhist only small minority because of trades happened in our neighbour predominantly we are practicing animism and paganism and religion folks so it may be different than those in our neighbouring country.
I had a whole discussion with someone on this topic (a filipino) saying we’re Pacific Islander and I said “yes we’re Islanders in the pacific is not the same as Pacific Islanders japan,Taiwan and Indonesia are also islands in the pacific that mean their also Pacific Islanders??? NO!!!! their still in the continent of Asia, Pacific Islanders isn’t just a geography thing it’s also a culture thing and Philippines has zero in common with pacific island culture apart from the languages which is both an Austronesian language but other then that NONE
Philipines is not even in the Pacific, it is in the Phillipine Sea, South China sea, Sulu Sea and Celebres sea. In fact, the original reference for Philipines was "Lands surrounded by waters" in ancient Sanskrit. Philippines is not a Pacific Island.
Yeah. That is a good question to have. before this type of topic ever was introduced to me, I identified myself as Asian, but after this question came along, it made me question who I was for a bit until I made my decision to just identify myself as Asian. Sure, I still question myself most of the time, but I think after seeing this video, I think it's safe to say, I do Identify myself as Asian.
The Philippines is historically linked with China and South East Asia genetically, cuisine wise, culturally, and linguistically not Pacific Islanders . Filipinos descended from migrations out of southern China and Taiwan so Filipinos very much resemble the people in other south East Asian countries not Pacific Islanders. Furthermore, many Filipinos look Chinese due to the significant admixture of Chinese in Filipinos. Philippine folk literature would be considered a subset of the folklore of peninsular Southeast Asia, which includes the folklore of Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brunei. Austronesian is a broad term, and is generally considered a linguistic grouping rather than an ethnic one. There are people in Madagascar who are Austronesian, but we wouldn’t consider them Pacific Islanders or Asians. Aboriginal Taiwanese people are Austronesian, but they aren’t Pacific Islanders. Asian and Pacific Islander aren’t just ethnic terms, but geopolitical ones. Just think of Austronesian as a language family, like Indo-European, and Pacific Islander as a geopolitical categorization. Genetically 90% of the various peoples of the archipelago have Chinese elements of their modern day DNA, and so far the Mongoloid Haplogroup C2-M217 was substantially expressed in the region dating as far back as 7000BCE according to analyses performed on early Proto Malay burial sites in Luzon and the Visayas so it is fair to say a modern day significant number of Filipinos have East Asian DNA.
as a filipino, born and living in the philippines we call ourselves asian to be specific "SOUTH EAST ASIAN"
Austronesian
@Koko martin Austronesian has a connotation with Island Southeast Asia, Madagascar, etc. or any areas outside of Oceania (Micronesia, Melanesia, Polynesia).
@Koko martin Yeah, and in the end, we are all Africa's children, since we descended from the first migrants out of Africa. But time is the factor that gave rise to different cultures, even diffferent physiology, and now we don't call ourselves African anymore.
@Koko martin where are you from?
*Austronesians aka most of South east asia and pacific islands, you're welcome 😊, pag bobo po yung teacher mo sa high-school pwede po mag Google 😊
I grew up in the Philippines and I've never heard someone say Pacific Islander 🙄 we always knew were Asians.
Because of colonial mentality. Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
@@joeutuber6423 because of colonial mentality? How about it's because the definition of Asia includes the area the Philippines. Who do you think came up with the term Asia anyways? It was white people. Linguistically, genetically, and culturally Pacific Islanders? No. This is proof of how some Filipinos want to distance themselves from their Southeast Asian brothers. Most Filipinos migrated from Taiwan. Linguistically Filipinos speak Austronesian languages. There are more Austronesian speakers in Asia than anywhere in the world. Fact is, not all Pacific Islanders are Austronesian. So linguistics has nothing to do with being a Pacific Islander. Culturally Filipinos are more similar to Southeast Asians like Indonesians. Genetically, refer back to my statement of Filipinos coming from Taiwan. And native Taiwanese migrated from mainland China.
@@jakeplummer2477 Where did you get that False or Outdated Info ? It has nothing to do about distancing Filipinos from its Asian neighbor. People of Taiwan escaped or came from China but Indegenious Taiwan came from South. Nope, because you haven't travelled to the Pacific Ring of Fire nor Four Corners of the Pacific. You just read the book but never experienced it. Nope, South Asian People are identically and very different from the Pacific Islanders which obvious in their language. Fiipinos are more inherently closely related to the people of the Pacific.
@@joeutuber6423 dont assume too much. I lived in the Pacific Islands and grew up in the Polynesian culture so I know what I'm talking about.
@@jakeplummer2477 Don't mind that fucking nob wanna be Pacific Islander..🤪
I'm from Papua New Guinea and there is a large contingent of filipinos there. NONE of them have ever had a crisis as to how to identify as. This seems to be strictly an american thing.
True.. only americans of filipino descent only seems to claim this.. we the filipinos of the Philippines never have that notion.. we are Southeast Asians of the Malay race
@@Pulaco.Dimantag That what I assumed. I think growing up in the states will bend you in different ways 😄
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 lol.. I know... They're clearly lost in their ways..
@@Pulaco.Dimantag deluded Filipinos who want to identify something else other then asian bunch of bozo we don’t claim them 😂
Ol Asian eh and that's it no more no less, but tbh sampla blol tu luk olsem ol Papua eh
Why would you claim Pacific Islander? Philippines is part of Southeast Asia.
Because you're looking at the map not in the culture. Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
@@joeutuber6423 Yeah right but Pacific Islanders came from us. Not we came from them.
@@joeutuber6423 what Culture, Linguistics, and Genetics are you talking about? Most of these are also related to southeast asians smh
Because Filams know next to nothing about the Philippines and Filipinos
@@joeutuber6423 I identify more with Javanese gamelan, Malay traditional dress, and Thai Tom Yum than with Hawaiian hula, bark clothes, and poke.
I've spent a decade living in my Pacific island homeland Papua New Guinea before migrating to the states and literally all my filo friends in PNG identify as Asian. (south east asian specifically) This identity crisis seems to be a mostly filo american phenomemon. Thats just my observation
I'm also Papua New Guinean.
When I was 11, my 2 Mandarin teachers thought I was from Fiji and Samoa, when I told them I was not from Fiji they assumed Samoa, and when I told them I was from 🇵🇬🇸🇧 they were surprised. 🤷♀️🤷♀️
That was probably bcoz I have thick curly sorta wavy hair and have a lighter brown skin color than most Melanesian.
@@rossittanotere6258 umm ur not the only one light brown skin and thick curly hair you do know that right 😂
About 20-40 percent of us have that feature that's why people call us diversed people
@@katahi0749 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️don't you think I know that, I'm only talking about myself and my thinking, you are just stupid to understand what I'm trying to say, I'm only talking about my suspicions 🤦♀️
@@rossittanotere6258 oh ummm k😅
To any Pacific Islander watching this, I would like, if my fellow filipinos would allow it, to apologize for the remarks these Filipino-Americans make.
We love them but they're just so detached from their culture and heritage after being exposed to the western mindset for so long.
Thanks for the apology. It's just mind boggling because the facts are easily available to them.
No worries bruh we love watching your love series.
@Lou-Ann Young-Alfonso filipinos are austronesians, pacific islanders are all austronesians 😂, our language and dna are basically tied to each other! Fyi lang po para madagdagan knowledge mo, Asia is the biggest continent in the world which is very diverse in religion, culture and race! Let me repeat that "race" we dont call white people like Russians as asians, we dont also call Jews asians, or arabs as asians just because they are from asia lol! Learn geography and history wag po kase matulog during class ang epekto eh magiging bobo 😉
@@joemama8243 magadascar are austronesians japanese has austronesian ancestry and tagalog have similar words with malays and indo pero di mo sila tinatawag pacific islanderS sang state ka sa US nakatira? IPilit mo pa fil am boy Hahaha
@@dimsumb7696 Japanese has no austronesian ancestry hahahah, 😂, as for Malay,indo, Thailand, and Madagascar yes austronesian din sila, 40 million Ang austronesian sa Mundo, Kade tayong mga austronesian ay seafarers na nagmula sa Taiwan at China , pwedeng tawagin Ang Indonesians na Pacific Islanders Kase NASA Pacific sila gaya ng Philippines
I believe it's only Filipino-Americans who consider themselves as Pacific Islanders. Mainland Filipinos have always identified as Asians.
only fil am thinks theyre pacific islanders not even Filipinos from other countries call themselves that. have you seen an aussie Filipino or European Filipino classify as a pacific islander? no cuz its only FIL AMERICANS that has identity problems hahaha its sad really
This is because of lack of education. Hindi po tinatawag na asian ang mga puting Russian , mga arabo, at mga Jew hahaha hindi po sila tinatawag na asian kahit sila ay nasa asia 😂, tayo po ay austronesians, at lahat po ng mga taga pacific islands ay lahat austronesians 😂, mag aral po muna bago mag comment babe
@Koko martin Aral din muna bago kuda kamo nga sa kanya hahahaha
I'm a Pinoy, born and raised in NYC. I consider myself Asian, not Pacific Islander
I am a pilipino and im proud for being asian/south east asian only some fil-am proclaim that there are pacific islander...
Here in philipines we're not consider us as an pacific islander or hispani we consider are self as an asian filipino didn't know this argument
Just the look of our faces but we are asian
dont worry its a fil am problem >_
@Juan Luna standard tagalog is not illegal
Filipino are asian because they country is in Asia but after all the have Hispanic culture . Hispanic don't mean that you are a Latino , Hispanic means culture, language, country and hist which is related to españa.
@@mr.cebuano2843 The current Korean wave trend make Filipino less Hispanic than Latin American. Filipino along with Indonesian have significant militant kpop fandoms compared to any country in America continent.
As a Filipino living in Australia. I can assure you that Pacific Islanders are definitely different from us in most aspects of the culture lol.
We may have common ancestors but for a number of millenia, we have become culturally separated from each other
Exactly. Nobody has this Filipino Pacific islanders confusion over here. I have only ever seen this issue in America which I find extremely weird.
@@ksnndnfr6101 ikr like I was trying to explain to the non Filipino that we are not pacific islander they act like I am wrong and they dare to say I know nothing of pre colonial culture like our pre colonial culture is very much related to Indonesia and Malaysia
It’s seems to be an American thing tbh, haven’t noticed it in brissy, but the filos and polys usually get along well anyways especially when our similarities are brought up
Bro we only recently lost touch to our Pacific Islander culture like a couple hundred years ago when these stupid ass Chinese and European people came in our islands and force their culture onto us 🤷🏽♂️ I’m a Pacific Islanders like my original ancestors. I will never claim to be what an outsider told me to be
they probably dont want be categorized to this whole mongoloid asians, coz in the west automatically when they say asians = mongoloid.
short answer: no filipinos are not pacific islanders
Yes we are
@@ObjayDaGod NO. STOP CLAIMING THAT BS. WE FILIPINOS ARE SOUTHEAST ASIAN. sit down you're confused.
@@ObjayDaGod STUPID DONT SKIP CLASS
Sorry but we are. Decolonize your self!
@@hahdakdahkdhalsla Sit down? You’re the one who’s confused due to a colonial mentality thanks to 500 years of colonialism! Decolonize and educate your self. The Philippines is in the Pacific, Westerns Pacific Ocean to be exact.
I’m Filipino-American and I consider Filipino as Southeast Asian not Pacific Islander
Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
@@joeutuber6423 genetically??? Austronesian people (southeast Asians and Polynesians) all came from Taiwan which is genetically Asian.
@@designereats3661 Where did you get that False or Outdated Information ? Most people in Taiwan escaped or came from China and indigenious Taiwan came from the South not from China . . .
@@joeutuber6423 I never said China. I said Filipinos and Polynesians all came from Taiwan which is still in Asia. You can’t change that. It is indeed a fact. I don’t know what you are trying to prove.
@@joeutuber6423 Its true we came from taiwan (austronesian not the chinese)
Born in the Philippines, raised in the USA since baby age. "Filipinos" (as a national identity covering many ethnolinguistic groups in the archipelago), we are very close geographically to neighboring countries in Southeast Asia, with cultural affinities much closer to Southeast Asians. Having lived there for a few years as an adult, I finally understood this much better. Go live in the Philippines and Southeast Asia for a few years, and learn.
I'm from Hawai'i and filipinos are not Pacific Islanders. Sorry Fil-Ams you are nothing like Hawaiians, Samoans and Tongans. Filipinos have more in common with SE Asia ethnically and culturally than Melanesia, Micronesia and Polynesia.
Please never accept Filipino as Pacific Islander since their language is West Malayo Polynesian not Oceanic like all languages that spoken in entire Pacific Islands. Also, Filipino in general have no Melanesian admixture. Even their Morena beauty standard (the beauty standard for brown skinned Filipina) looks distinct to stereotypical Oceanian looks.
They just don't know that there are divisions inside Austronesia language family and Filipino is not part of Oceanic Austronesian.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610 better tell that to Fil ams. We, Filipinos, literally have no clue on this "trend"
@@faustinuskaryadi6610 Trust me they know, and this is why the try so hard to be Polynesian with their Hawaiian tattoos.
@@StalkedByLosershaha idiot the tattoos is from Austronesian side culture. The Polynesian people is an admixture of Austronesian males that married Papuans then created the Polynesian race... By saying Filipinos/South East Asians claiming the tottoing culture from Oceanians is nothing but cap. Their culture is from the Austronesian side
@@skylinelover9276 They didn't say filipinos got their tattoos from oceania. He said specifically hawaiian tattoos. READ!
Lmao.. claiming to be Pacific Islanders but don’t know that there’s more to us than just Samoans or Hawaiians.. and most of the stuff you see on tv.. we’re welcoming to those that genuinely want to know about us.. ALL OF US..
As a Micronesian, specifically pohnpeian.. I get confused for a Filipina ngl.. but when I correct them they say oh so you’re polynesian, it makes me want to facepalm.. Plus the fact that the terms Polynesian, Micronesian, and Melanesian were given to us by the colonizers. You’re Southeast Asian.. our ancestors may have come from the austronesians but that’s as close as we’re gonna get with history..
This needs more upvotes.
Amen for this!
True tbh, even the term Pacific Islander is already broad enough.
Literally nobody in the Philippines thinks they’re Polynesians or Micronesians. They know they’re Southeast ASIAN. In fact, the Philippines is a member of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations). When I was 9 and moved from CA to the Philippines, all the Fil-Ams said they were Asian. When I returned at 15, half of them were claiming to be Pacific Islander. I think the confusion started when Fil-Ams born in Hawaii started moving to CA.
This is because of lack of education. Hindi po tinatawag na asian ang mga puting Russian , mga arabo, at mga Jew hahaha hindi po sila tinatawag na asian kahit sila ay nasa asia 😂, tayo po ay austronesians, at lahat po ng mga taga pacific islands ay lahat austronesians 😂, mag aral po muna bago mag comment babe
Chinese Indonesian here. According to history book in my country, Philippines is not just member of ASEAN but also co-founder of ASEAN along with Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore during cold war. Brunei joined later, finally Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar later joined ASEAN after the fall of Sovyet Union.
@@joemama8243 nah u asian
@@k-grizz541 nah I'm Filipino, or Austronesian, Asian is too big and diverse to classify each asian nation which have no relevance to each other in terms of culture tradition and race to be grouped up in 1 word lol, like I've said it's wrong to call Jews, arabs, Russians etc as asian,
What makes Filipinos Southeast Asian because of the related DNA we share with other south-east Asian countries. We are closely more related to Malays than Polynesians. That's why we identify ourselves as SOUTH EAST ASIAN. OKAY? ARAL KA DIN BESTIE HWAG PURO NGANGA.
In New Zealand there is a sizable Filipino community, and they are definitely not seen as the same or similar as the native Polynesian/Pacific Islander/Maori. They proudly refer to themselves as Asian and more specifically as South East Asian.
In US census pacific islander are only considered for melanesia, polynesia and micronesia. Filipinos are in asian category.
I want to pin you comment but this is youtube
@윤지혜 The lead male in Crazy Rich Asian is half Iban, a native of Borneo Malaysia close enough to Filipino if you consider Sabah shoud be Philippines territory like what President Soekarno of Indonesia said during his confrontation with Malaysia Federation in 1960s. He just play Singaporean Chinese role.
@god says It's funny seeing you try and claim something you're not. Does being Asian suck??
@god says hay naku! Nandito na naman tong stupidong Fil-am! Negrito may be the original inhabitant of Philippines but that does not mean that we're not asians, ulol.
@god says If we're the same race then how am I being racist to you, you dunce. If you aren't Polynesian, Melanesian or Micronesian, then you are NOT Pacific Islander. Period. Nobody came from you gremlins. If we did, wouldn't we be claiming to be y'all? Do you see any of us doing that? No, you don't. In fact, we want nothing to do with you "people"
This is extremely stupid. We are SOUTH EAST ASIANS, not Pacific Islanders. I won’t deny that we share common ancestry, because we definitely do. We are both Austronesians, and also both Malayo-Polynesians. But our identity, history and culture is tied to Asia. Pacific Islanders became isolated in the vast Pacific and developed isolated and unique cultures. We don’t. Our ancient cultures were moulded by heritage coming from Ancient China and India. Hindu-Buddhist cultural identity prevailed in our archipelagoes for hundreds of years. Our languages were greatly influenced by Middle Chinese and Sanskrit. Our dug artifacts were Asian. Our cuisine is heavily influenced by mainland Asia.
So, no. We Filipinos are South East Asians. We are blood related, but culturally and historically distinct from Pacific Islanders.
Perfectly said. Respects to you from Samoa.
Thank you colonial brother, china appreciates your propaganda.
@@polyso5123 You respect a colonial mentality due to 500 years of colonialism, religious brainwash and the sense of self, and identity being beaten out of us to then have a cultural and historical amnesia?! I urge you to educate your self. I have a video called: “Filipino VS Samoan”. Maybe that will open your racist eyes! AUE!
You say: “culturally and historically distinct” which utterly BS and false. You clearly don’t even know your own history and culture. But that’s not your fault, but due to 500 years of colonialism and you having a colonial mentality! So much wrong with this, it’s just embarrassing. Please decolonize and learn the truth! You even cling to terms coined by white people, as “Asian” is a geographical term. Only reason we associate with Asia is due to politics. That’s it. We are not Sino Tibetan. We are not Han Chinese. We are not Latin, nor Arab. We are Austronesian! Our nation lays in the most western part of the Pacific Ocean, made up of 7,640 islands. That besides shared DNA, and same
language family, that makes us in every sense of the word Pacific Islander! I dare you to check out Lane Wilcken! A Mambatok. To further help decolonize your brainwashed ignorant mindset!
@@kilipaki87oritahiti what did he say was wrong?
Sorry Filipinos aren’t Pacific Islanders...
@@shandinalani32 Does being asian suck??
@@shandinalani32 you're not Pacific Islander and you never will be
@@toffeepop973 who said I wasNT South East Asian? It’s just since the islands sit in Asia and the pacific, people call them south East Asian Pacific Islanders. Hence the combo of both titles. If you’re living ON an island, and it partly sits in the Pacific Ocean, technically it’s an Asian pacific island. Just technicalities. We have Melanesians native to the land. All the other Melanesians claim them as so and they are Pacific Islanders.
It’s just technical. It’s not an identities issue. Every Filipino I know friend or family is PROUD of being Filipino. It’s not really a big deal. End of day, we love the Philippines and our people. We have great pride.
@@toffeepop973 on the contrary, being Asian is beautiful. Marvel is coming out with an Asian hero now, and I was so excited. Don’t even know which Asian he is, but I’m very excited about it nonetheless.
@@shandinalani32 Nobody calls filipinos "pacific islanders" lmao. Stop lying
Maybe because those Fil-Ams who call themselves "pacific islander" are lacking in Exposure to the culture we had in the Philippines...they study and learn in foreign countries so they have minimal.knowledge of what is being a Filipino was all about ...like being SOUTH EAST ASIAN
We have similarities, not because we are pacific islanders, but because pacific islanders have Asian origin. Their ancestors migrated through the pacific ocean from Taiwan.
Personally, as a Filipino in the Philippines, I've always seen FilAms identifying as Pacific Islander as Southeast Asian erasure. Many in the West seem to forget that Southeast Asia is ethnically, culturally, and historically distinct from East Asia. The idea that being Austronesian makes us Pacific Islander is a big slap in the face when 90% of Austronesians are in Southeast Asia. Redefining Pacific Islanders to include Austronesian Southeast Asians, like how FilAms sometimes argue, is still Southeast Asian erasure because 60% of Southeast Asians are Austronesians and Austronesians played a principal role in shaping what Southeast Asia is today.
Everything about being Austronesian overlaps with being Southeast Asian, from tribal tattoos, to stilt architecture, to decorative dentistry, to maritime tendencies. Our cultural differences with other Austronesian groups in Madagascar and Oceania still connects us to Southeast Asia: Old World maritime trade, Hindu-Buddhist syncretization, Islamization, the Chinese tributary trade, colonial experience, genocide, slavery, metallurgy, rice agriculture, etc. Many of the distinctive aspects of Filipino culture always talked about by the diaspora are actually Southeast Asian: the tabo, the mano po, the idea of hiya and pakikipagkapwa, rice three times a day, food like sinigang, etc.
in the states, whenever there are asian statistics or demographics reported, majority of the time it doesn't specify between east asian and southeast asian people even though, through the breakdown of the two smaller groups you can find inherently different numbers. this means being categorized as asian in the US because east asians have much larger numbers, and much different immigration histories, the experiences of southeast asians are erased.
it's not because we want to erase the SEA identity, it's cause to identify as asian here ultimately does that for us. identifying as PIs can some times feel more like a closer identifying option because we have similar issues of representation in education/media/housing/healthcare, etc. although i don't identify as PI myself, there's some validity to folx marking that on these forms
@@jadefullz doesn't matter that you don't want, because you are doing so in practice. Which is why there are political movements calling for recognition of brown asians, southeast asians, and desegregation of a monolithic AAPI classification. So why insist on being classified as Pacific Islanders, knowing it harms both Southeast Asians and actual Pacific Islanders? In fact, my biggest pet peeve are those who insist this even after education, just to distance themselves from the term Asian which is a meaningless classification anyway. If y'all really don't want the term Asian, then at least use well-researched demonyms, such as the self-name Nusantaran.
@FrostBug Russia isn't technically they just annexed Siberia and indigenous Siberians are Asians. Middle East is Asian but they're the region that reject that identity the most.
@@chrisabrenica6267 Many Fil-Ams I've met reject being Asian because they think it's uncool. Fil-Ama believed they can take over Pacific Islander identity and marginalize them just so they don't get stereotyped with Asian loser stereotypes. That's cowardly!
You're correct. Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
I am of both Filipino and Hawaiian ancestry. Filipinos are ASIAN, end of story.
In Hawaii they do it out of convenience, and love to flex it with mainland Americans especially. MEMO: tribal tattoos don't make you Kanaka
I lived in Hawaii, I met Filipinos with Filipino names (non-Hawaiian names) claim they're effing Hawaiian. And you might ask "Don't you mean Spanish?". No, I mean like non-Spanish Filipino names like Quezon/Cuizon (romanized Chinese names) and Cunanan (Tagalog surname). Maybe I'm just overthinking it and maybe they're using "Hawaiian" in the same way Californians use it, but with Fil-Ams constantly claiming they're "Polynesian", "Pacific Islander", etc... I think some of these guys are actually actually ashamed to even be Filipino.
Another major reason why the Pacific Islander association with Austronesian is very wrong is that it is Papuan erasure. Papuans are not Austronesian or even Austronesian-speaking, are 80% of the Pacific Islander population, is the primary genetic and cultural influence of Austronesian-speaking Melanesians, and provides many of the cultural inputs that make Pacific Islanders (inc. Micronesians and Polynesians) distinct, such as the complete replacement of rice agriculture with taro. This is especially relevant given the tensions between Austronesian Indonesians and West Papuans.
Almost all austronesian are asian black mix. Even in the philippines..
We are prob. originated as papuan mix. Then mix with papuan again.
@@seethruyou255 there are more types of people than Asian and black. Papuans are not Africans. The Aetas/Dumagats are not Papuans. Aboriginal Australians are neither Aetas, Papuans, or Africans. And you probably haven't even heard of the Asli people of mainland Southeast Asia. Asian isn't even an ethnic group, so comparison to black, in the sense of West African descent, doesn't make any sense.
@@chrisabrenica6267 You're picking stinky cabbages and carrots of info from all over the place in Wikipedia and come up a non-scientific basis of False Narratives. It doesn't mean, you colour yourself black and speak like a Duck, you're already a Duck. Stop using the Austronesian terminology because it has no concrete scientific basis. You need to travel the Pacific Ring of Fire, scientifically study the population and make a statistical dissertation. There's also what we called Migration, Adoption & Inter-relation but doesn't mean you belong to same species of Duck! You can keep you're wrong assumption and you're entitled to your own irrational opinion and hallucination!!!
@@joeutuber6423 Have you? All these places? Most scientific studies just focus on one and that takes years. I'm only familiar with 3. My experience as a Filipino in the Philippines, working with Mangyans in Mindoro, and working with Malays, Indonesians, and Papuans in Singapore. Immersions in the culture of others for years teach you a lot more than 1 month of shallow observations from surface-level knowledge of the cultures involved. Privileged backpackers know nothing.
@@joeutuber6423 and who cares about Austronesian terminology, we've spent several comments explaining why some Pacific islanders being Austronesian mean nothing, even if you reject modern anthropology and linguistics, the connection between Malays, Indonesians, and Filipinos are undeniable if you cared enough to immerse. As an example, Singapore is a Chinese trading colony on Malay land, just like Manila. Meanwhile, the stark difference of Southeast Asians and Papuans are also undeniable, in fact, politically sensitive, given how the Indonesian government is oppressing the Papuans.
Thank you for speaking on this. It's so incredibly difficult as a Pacific Islander (Polynesian/Melanesian, to be specific) myself to talk about these type of things, cause I am constantly spoken over. I'm harassed with insults and told that I'm wrong, and told that I'm just spreading lies because I'm racist. Me, racist. An indigenous, brown, pacific islander trying to bring awareness to the affect it all has on my people? Tuh. I try to point out the erasure, the negative impact it is has on indigenous pasifika, and the way it takes away the little spaces left for my people to speak up for themselves, and replaces us with people going through an identity crisis who could give less of a fuck about our islands sinking, and our people being evicted and kicked off our own lands for the sake of tourism. Or my brothers and sisters in West Papua being enslaved, murdered, and traded like merchandise. I've never had a problem with Filipinos/Asians. And tbh, it's always been them having a problem with me-- the racism some of them have had for me just astonishes me. I have never hated Asians as a whole for the actions of some individuals. But rubbing racism in my face now? Because I choose to speak up for my people? It's so ironic, and distasteful. The role that a lot of Asians take in the erasure (and continued colonization) of my peoples is fucking devastating. Please just have the fucking heart to listen to us. We're dying out, and our remains won't even be left behind, because our islands are sinking. I am so fucking tired! We're tired.
Amen these Filipino Americans use us like a Halloween costume just because they don't like who they are. So when we correct them and tell them they are Asian, they get all offended and call us racist. Smh
I'm from mainland Philippines and everyone here knows we're Southeast Asians, but I'd still like to apologize for the Fil-Ams who are so adamant on identifying as Pacific Islanders
I can confirm living in the philippines we dont really talk about pacific islanders that much i dont know about the fil ams tho those people are whitewashed
As a filipino here in the Philippines, i'm terribly sorry for what this fil-ams did, i'm so ashamed of they as will. Pacific islanders are cousins to filipino, but it doesn't mean or have the rights to use your cultures, it's like that one cousin pointing at your house and saying it's theirs to other people. That's why we distance our selves to 3rd gen filipinos in the US. I just wanna slap my sleepers to this kind of Fil-ams and proceed to remove their faces off the face of the earth.
These little lady boy pinoys will never Be us no matter how hard they try
Y'all are American citizens with Filipino ancestry, let's leave it at that.
As a Polynesian, I can tell you that we appreciate everyone that embraces us HOWEVER we do get annoyed when Filipinos claim they are Pacific Islanders because they dont like being Asian. We are not a mask to put on during Halloween. We are not an umbrella to shield you from being showered with Asian stereotypes. We are a people, we are who we are by birth, not by choice. Please stop!
You are right. They have huge self-hatred and a colonized mentality. aLmost every pinoy female i meet wants/has a Yt boyfriend 😂
As a Pacific Islander, I hate the term "Asian Pacific Islander". We are already so underrepresented (more so than any other race) and the AAPI term lumps us in with Asian Americans. We go through very different challenges compared to Asian Americans.
The term came into existence because so many PIs are mixed with Asian especially native Hawaiians who come from a land that's now majority Asian. Along with Fiji Indians. But I agree Asians and Pacific Islanders shouldn't be lumped together. It erases PIs and your guys' specific issues. It's highly disrespectful.
this.
In my extensive travels, I have only encountered Filipino-Americans claiming to be pacific islanders. Every other filipinos in other countries, including those from Ph, KNOWS we are Asians. They are just basically ignorant of their own cultural identity, it's embarrasing. All our cultural, geopolitical, and linguistic influences are rooted in freaking southeast Asia.
I saw this explained by one historian youtuber, Kirby Araullo, which was just fantastic. America needed cheap labor but just passed anti Asian Migration laws so they retagged Filipinos as Pacific Islanders to exploit them.
I live in NZ (a lot of real pacific islanders) and none of them say we look like them aside from the skin color. They dont even include us in the international gathering of pacific islanders. They dont raise the Philippine flag there. Know why? Because they dont consider us as Pacific Islanders. However, anyone who has eyes can see we resemble Malaysians, Thais, Indonesians, and other people residing in Southeast Asia. You know why? Because we are Asians. There, mystery solved.
Our flag is raised in Indonesia too, at the ASEAN HQ in Jakarta.
😂 Perfectly said 😁👍
Same goes in the Philippines, no filipino will consider pacific islanders and foreigners in general as real filipinos. Foreigners here have nicknames. Some nice, others rude. 😁✌️
This is true. Even during precolonial times, we were more connected to the rest Southeast Asia
As a pacific islander myself I don’t understand how Filipinos are Pacific Islanders when we have diff culture to Filipinos
It's because Filipino-AMERICANS focus on skin color and anti-Chinese stuff rather than culture.
They claim things like "REAL Filipinos are DARK brown to Black skin with curly hair" and "Japanese/Taiwanese are TOO WHITE/too Chinese to be Pacific Islanders".
And they love to misuse migration to benefit them. Some of them understand that Pacific Islanders migrated from Asia, but they refuse to believe that Filipino are related other Asians, especially Chinese. Essentially what they're saying is that Pacific Islanders came from the Philippines and that's how Filipinos are Pacific Islanders.
That's like saying British people are Americans because White-Americans came from Britain. It's dumb.
The whole anti-Chinese stuff is even dumber though because the population of the Philippines has around 30 million Filipinos with Ming-Chinese or Han-Chinese ancestry, especially in the North. The same North where the Philippine Revolution happened. Our national hero was a light-skinned Tagalog/Spanish/Chinese, but these Fil-Ams still think real Filipinos are dark skinned and not Chinese.
But, overall though, most Filipino-Americans consider themselves Asian, it's always the loud and delusional Fil-Ams that are in the comments trying to justify their thievery of Pacific Islander culture.
Edit: *thievery of Pacific Islander cultural identity.
Damn Americans always complicating things. To make the distinction which is Asian or not, just look at history. Precolonial Filipinos traded extensively with other Asian nations, especially with the Chinese and Malays before Europeans came, in process our languages obtained vocabulary from Malay, Hokkien, Sanskrit and even Persian and Arab. We forged our own blades and even had gunpowder technology. We had (and some ethnic groups still do) our own writing system which is rooted to Brahmic script in India. There are more things out there that Philippines does have that Pacific Island nations don't.
None of these are present in Pacific Island nations. Anyone who claims that Filipinos are Pacific Islanders have no idea about the Philippines, its language, history and culture. No wonder this sentiment mostly comes from Filipino-Americans.
If we're going to base on purely genetic and linguistic reasons, then might as well call people of Madagascar as Pacific Islanders, despite being on the other side of Indian Ocean.
Not Americans....just Filipino Americans
Filipino-Americans are annoying i saw 1 video in tiktok saying that Filipinos don't want to claim H.E.R cos she is half black Lmao they literally makes everything so problematic
Very true. Most Fil-ams who doesn't even know most of our history and doesn't even experience living in Philippines have the audacity to say things like these, lol. Spreading more lies and dividing filipinos more.
Pacific islanders: Melanesia, Micronesia & Polynesia.
If u are not of any of those group then u are not a Pacific islander.
Wait til you find out where your people and culture came from
@@harolda.73 the Pacific islands. Thats where it came from.
@@faanengaaw7357 Thanks for confirming that you don’t read...I bet you think Filipinos got their tattoo and boat building culture from you. Clearly ours existed far longer.
Bet you think your people just popped up in the Pacific Ocean with no lineage from anywhere else. How’s it feel being uneducated?
@@harolda.73 we surely didnt get it from
the Flips 🤣
I think the reason why some Filipino-Americans don't want to be identified as an Asian is because of the nerdy introverted Asian stereotype.
I've been here in the US for almost three years, and I just realized that you're not quite in a good position if you're an introvert. Hospitality is not so much an innate American thing as much as it is in the Philippines. So if you go to America with some degree of struggle in English, Americans may not cater to you as much as Filipinos naturally welcome a newcomer. This was something that I need to get used to over the next couple of years. Call it forced extroversion.
With other Asians who come into America who are less fluent English, their introversion would probably get more pronounced. Hence, I could imagine why Filipino Americans would wanna avoid that stereotype.
I do consider myself ASIAN though. Regardless how Asians are stereotypically viewed.
we are not asians nor pacific islader. Even not southeast asian.
We are just filipino. Leave it at that. Asians , pacific islander, southeast asian, latinos and etc should be the one that associate with US.
Come on fil-am u let pinoy pride down.
Nope. Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
@@juliadimayuga7052 As someone who's Southeast Asian I've always vibed better with Filipinos. Most people in America think Asians are only Chinese, Japanese and Korean. And many people of East Asian descent don't know too much about Asia so they think they're the real Asians and we're fake. Also of the Asians I get mistaken for, I get mistaken for Filipino the most; like 80% of the time.
Wow. Just because Fil-Ams doesn't want to be stereotyped doesn't mean they should invade the identity of other minority groups and harming them while doing so.
@@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 "Most people in America think Asians are only Chinese, Japanese and Korea" Trueeee
And the media isn't helping
What shame to claim other race! Im pacific islander and all my life i never thought Filipinos be claiming pacific islanders. U guys are asians!
Yes, we know, filipinos living in the Philippines claim to be asian, trust me, literally nobody in the Philippines think of themselves as pacific islanders
@@Blairezz98buddy shut up we’re talking about the ones in the usa
I live in Australia and plenty of my filo mates identify as South East Asian.
only fil am thinks theyre pacific islanders not even Filipinos from other countries call themselves that. have you seen an aussie Filipino or European Filipino classify as a pacific islander? no cuz its only FIL AMERICANS that has identity problems hahaha its sad really
This is only Filipino-American thing lmao
@@dimsumb7696 what do we even expect from America? They even complicate and are very sensitive to pronouns and nouns, lol. Maybe, those fil-ams adapted the craziness of those Americans.
I’ve only ever seen filos get confused as islanders and vice versa in brissy, but haven’t met any straight out claiming to be Islander
@@personalseitil2244 This! No Filipino has ever said we are Pacific Islander lol and if they did, dont blame Filams, its not their fault.
I’m from Papua New Guinea we are so under represented even tho we are the biggest island
It's funny how FilAms consider themselves PI but not Papuans, who have a substantial across-the-board influence in all Pacific Islands because Papua is the origin of taro agriculture (and sugarcane and bananas, btw). FilAms are so hell bent in erasing both SEAsia and Papua.
@@chrisabrenica6267 People from papua new guinea are austronesians so are filipinos 😀, our language and origin are the same, ps. For the people claiming they are asians have 0 clue about what they are saying, we dont call Russians, Jews, and arabs as asians just because they are from asia 😉
@@joemama8243 There are divisions in Austronesian languages family that can disqualify Filipino as Pacific Islanders. Languages in Philipines are grouped in West Malayo Polynesian type along with languages in Malaysia and Western Indonesia, while languages that spoken in entire Pacific Islands countries are grouped in Oceanic type. So, Filipino and Pacific Islanders are just shared general Austronesian speaking group indientify, but still Filipino aren't speaker of Oceanic Austronesian languages which is must to be considered as Pacific Islanders. So, Filipino should be called Maritime South East Asia since this is the region where West Malayo Polynesian type Austronesia language mainly spoken. Pacific Islanders is for speaker of Oceanic Austronesian languages. Austronesian is like Semitic, no one call Jews are Arabs since there are West-East divisions inside Semitic languages family. So, by this West-East divisions, Filipino are also disqualified for being Pacific Islanders. Also, Asian isn't just Han Chinese. Slavs from Eastern Europe never called themselves Germans. Calling a Filipino as Pacific Islanders is like Saying Spaniards are Britons, or Italian are Nordic.
Just FYI, Austronesian isn't equal to Pacific Islander. Pacific Islander is sub-division inside Austronesian (but Internationally accepted terminology that used by UN is Oceanian, Pacific Islanders is too US-centric) like Slavs inside caucassoid Europe, not a general term for all Austronesian people. The word of Pacific Islanders isn't equal to European, it's just equal to Slavs.
@@joemama8243 And not all people of Papua New Guinea and West Guinea of Indonesia are Austronesian languages speakers. Only people from coastal New Guinea Island speak Austronesian, people from mountainous part of Guinea Island speak an isolated language that can only found inside Guinea Islands.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610 by this logic chamorros and Palauans aren’t Pacific Islanders
I think yous need to visit New Zealand and you will quickly see the differences between Asians and Pacific Islanders lol. Then you will realize that you Filipinos are asians
Or Australia. Anywhere where there is a substantial SEAsian population, because FilAms seem to only know about EAsians.
@@chrisabrenica6267 Actually US have significant Vietnamese and Thai immigrants but the problem is Vietnam is culturally inside Sinosphere despite geographically inside South East Asia (so Vietnamese in US can blend easily with Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans since they are also part of chopstick culture), while for Thai, most immigrants are Chinese descents and even for non-Chinese Thai, they still have unique tonal language that would be sounds a bit Chinese for average White Anglo Saxxon who don't familiar with diversity in Asia as continent. Also, Malaysian and Indonesian immigrants in US are also mostly Chinese descents who hate Malay-muslim supremacist propaganda in their (former) country.
So, this circumstance make Filipino as the most non-Chinese-esque Asian in US if you use Asian as interchangeable word for Mongoloid and Sinophere which is true in colloquial American English. So, since Pacific Islanders are also Austronesian, so they try to indientify Filipino as Pacific Islands, but the problem is it's like an Italian try to call themselves as an Anglo Saxxon, or Greek try to call themselves as Slavs. Or like Iraian call themselves Russian. Still speak same language family but from different sub-division.
Thats not necessary. Besides, no one cares about NZ.
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077says someone from papua new guinea
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 lol where is NZ anyway, is that in africa?
Im filipino and live in the philippines, to be honest, we grow up (majority) with the information that we are asian. I don't know that there is called "pacific islander" until I graduated college hahaha. mostly this kind of issue encounter only by Fil-Am or Filipino live in western country (I think).
@KOKO Martin Cool or Just afraid to be bullied because they are asian?
@Juan Luna would you consider yourself Micronesian?
@Juan Luna congrats for being dumb
@Juan Luna By your logic, the Japanese would be considered Pacific Islander too.
@Juan Luna Well, just know that the term “Pacific Islander” is used in the census to refer to Polynesians, Micronesians, and Melanesians. Not Filipinos. I suppose, like the whole gender thing, you can just claim whatever you want. Just don’t expect the rest of us to play along with you on your game of musical chairs with group identities.
I think theres a deeper reason to why Fil-Ams call themselves Pacific Islanders. Its the lack of knowledge of their own history and culture. Filipino Parents dont even bother teaching the kids the language. Since they dont know the South East Asian history of the Indonesians and Malaysians and that these groups are very small minority in the US. Fil-Ams attach themselves to the next closest relative which are the Pacific Islanders.
But to claim Pacific Islander is simply false and Completely ignores our own rich history of Austronesian roots.
@Koko martin Maybe its the approach your taking dont go into the conversation trying to “correct” them, try to educate them. Start with explaining Pre colonial history. If they argue your facts you can ask them to fact check you on google. Hell ask them to google image search Indonesian people or Malaysian people. They will realize how much more we look like them rather than Pacific Islanders. Bonus if they know how to speak Filipino they can find out how similar the languages are.
@@666melodeath666 many FilAms know they're Asian deep inside. They're like Trump supporters, no matter what facts you show them, they'll deny deny deny.
Bcz Fil- Ams who have been born and raised in the US follow the norm. It's cool so n so.
Pilipino is a maritime people, they explore the ocean, but when the spaniards came it all stop,
@@hocares6983 So were the Indonesians Malaysians Taiwanese. Theyre all called Asians. We are part of the Austronesian Family but Filipinos are South East Asians. In fact just search Indonesian people or Malaysian people Filipinos look way more like them than Polynesians. We are part of the Malay race our food/culture/ languages are much closer to South East Asians. You mentioned time before the Spanish guess what religions in the Philippines were mostly Animists Hindu Buddhists and Muslims before the Spanish.
The maritime trade didnt end with the Spanish in fact they took advantage of it to get goods from Asia.
Fact is out ancestors are related to Pacific Islanders but geographically and culturally we are different. We are not in the middle of the pacific to be called Pacific Islanders. We’re just on the edge of it. Asia is the largest continent and includes many different cultures.
Filipinos = Asians
Thank you, this is the realest explanation I've ever heard! I'm part Native Hawaiian, Chamorro, and Filipino also. Proud to be all three, and pride should mean standing for each group standing with each other, but able to be on their own.
As a Filipino born and raised in the Philippines, there is no question that we are Asians. Filipino-Americans who would argue otherwise do just have an insane amount of identity crisis.
So you eat with a pair of Chopsticks like the Chinese? Or do you eat with your Lima fingers like the Samoans???
@@shangchi828 That's a silly question. The majority of Southeast Asians don't even use chopsticks except the Vietnamese. Why would Southeast Asians such as Filipinos, Indonesians and Malays use chopsticks?
@@bukonut Thai , Cambodian, Laos do use Chopsticks for noodle dishes and noodle soups. Filipinos traditionally use hands for everything except soups which they use spoons
It's not an Identity crisis , Filipino Americans know our identity is Filipino first of all, Identity is like a signature, it's unique, it's a particular thing that is only unique to our one nationality which is the Philippines. We are Filipino, Filipino is our Identity. What this is , is a cultural and ethnic family classification issue, and this issue is not a "crisis"
@@shangchi828 Filipinos develop self esteem challenge [impossible]
As I got older I wondered why my cousins only did Hula & Tahitian dancing (my mom even signed us up in grade school but I quit).....like that seems weird if you're not actually from Hawaii or Pacific Islander. They could do so many Filipino cultural dances and traditional wear but I guess that's America for you. I'd rather show my Fil-Am/Native American pride than pretend to be Hawaiian.
yup those people like to larp with pacific islanders. seriously those dance doesnt even exist in Philippines
I hate when these Fil-Ams take our Filipino traditional dances and claim it's related to Pacific Islander culture.
Like, first of all, which one of our over 100 traditional dances? And secondly, if y'all want to go that route, Tinikling, Singkil, aka bamboo dances are found all over Asia. Even East Indians (Mizo people) have a bamboo dance called Cheraw kan.
One dude even had the nerve to claim a Filipino minority dance of WOMEN dancing in a circle is related to the Haka WAR dance of the Maori people. Like, seriously, dancing in circles vs an iconic intimidation dance are somehow related?
Delulu as hell.
I'm from philippines I've never heard on news or someone, philippines is part of pacific islander? we are part of asian continent
The media has lots of Chinese investors, there is a reason why they want Philippines to feel connected to the larger Asia and especially China.
what's even weird, in the eyes of Western, especially during pandemic, anti-Asian hate crime happening, Filipinos got attacked too, no one even mistaken them as Pacific Islander before getting attacked
true. only delusional filams thinks that Filipinos are pacific islanders
Hahahahaha 😆 😆 😆 😆
I am a Filipino Im not pacific islander Im proud to be Asian
👏👏👏
Only Fil-Ams claim to be Hispanic or Pacific Islanders. No one in the Philippines claim this
Do not drag Filipinos in the Philippines in this Fil-Am identity crisis
Filipino Americans seems to have a lot of identity issues the Filipinos in the Philippines don't struggle with. Almost nobody in the Philippines will say they are Latinos, Pacific Islander or even Filipinx. Maybe start with learning their culture deeper, learn the language and visit the Philippine more often. Remove the Americanized idea of what you should be. It isn't complicated. Filipinos are Asians, period.
In Canada we have a large Southeast Asian community, and the Filipinos are considered apart of it.
That's because identity in the US is political
@godsays4081 not Pacific Islanders 😆
@godsays4081 unfortunately that was a cap. Filipinos are more similar with continental asian like khemer than Pacific Islanders even by dna family. Southern chinese is more closer to Filipino than Pacific Islanders moron
Asian is a GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION. Not an "Ethnicity".
Thank you for this. I’ve always been so confused why my Filipino (American) friends would ignorantly claim Pacific Islander.
On one hand, doing so is an attempt to erase Southeast Asian ties....that are literally obvious culturally and geographically
And on another hand, it is overshadowing actual Pacific Islander voices that already DON’T get enough accurate representation.
You'll be always confused because Filipinos are confused too. Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
@@joeutuber6423 .!.
@@joeutuber6423 saya ka? Copy-paste sagot mo, 'tol. Mahiya ka naman. Wala kang bagong ambag eh.
Exactly! There's a lot of fakeness going in America, especially them Filipinos telling other people that were not asians because of our eyes which is completely idiotic and ignorant.
@@geraldbataga7510 The funny part is the Fil-Ams get really angry, when it is actual Pacific Islanders telling them, that Filipinos are not Pacific Islanders.
NO, we cant. WE ARE SOUTH EAST ASIAN. There save you 6 mins of your time.
Visayan on my father's side and Ilocano on my mother's side. I am Filipino and we are Asian.
Unfortunately I've met many filipinos claiming 'Polynesian'. They don't realise that our culture is already getting screwed over by white people and black people claiming to know the true origins of polynesians. Adding filipino claims into the mix just helps to spread misinformation and in turn, us polynesians have more and more of our identity tainted because of it.
Be proud of where you come from and don't go pushing yourself into another category.
Preach😁😁
@god says even you you don’t know about our history. You are spreading wrong information here just to push that Filipinos are Pacific Islanders which is wrong. You cannot even backed your claims
@god says huh? The heck are you saying. Dna shows they are different as Pacific Islander belong to haplo M whole Filipinos are haplo O. I can back my claims how about? You cannot!
@god says Lol that is such a twist in the truth its not even funny. What you are referring to is the DNA test of ancient remains (we are talking 3,000 years) remains found in Tonga. Not Filipines at all. It showed that they were related to Atayal peoples in Taiwan. Again, Not Filipines at ALL. It also showed NO DNA found more south of Taiwan which they were expecting there to be to support the 'through-Philipines' model, that was the striking thing about it and the findings actually BROKE the theory that Asians populated Polynesia through the Philipines where they picked up Papuan (Negrito) DNA. The Polynesians, it was shown, got Papuan DNA directly from New Guineans in a second wave a thousand years later. This really upset influential academics in this space (who happen to be Filipino-American) and made it hard to publish the results. The ONLY connection that can be made with Filipinos and Polynesia is the fact that Igorot are related to Atayal people. Thats it. If anything it shows that SOME indigenous Filipinos share an ancestry with Polynesians, but that does not make them Polynesian or Pacific Islander. Thats like saying White Russians are French because they share a connection with ancient Anatolia (birth place of white people). Actually now that I mention, there was a group of people in history that made really far fetched claims like that and tried to erase a side of themselves they didnt like, it didnt end well, it caused WWII and ethnic cleansing. It started JUST LIKE THIS.
@god says you’re talking out your as*
dude if you want to see people with the most looking Pacific islanders in Asia, its Indonesian people and they never claim to be pacific islanders because they are asian people who live in Asia 😂😂 Pacific islanders people who lives in pacific Pacific Ocean.. get it?
No. Filipinos are Asian. The Philippines is in the the premise of Asia. So we are Asian.
I've seen people get a misconception that Islanders are Asian because of this. A guy said to me "Islanders are Asian" then later said "I know Filipinos, all of them saying they're Islanders". It's clear he had gotten confused and ending up coming off as racist.
@Koko martin why you responding to me with something i know
STOP!
We have no similarities or links to anything Polynesian. The Philippines have a multitude of influences of culture such as Chinese, Indian, Arabic, Spanish and now American.
We are Asian and specifically Southeast Asians along with our brothers in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam and etc...
Exactly! There's a lot of fakeness going in America, especially them Filipinos telling other people that were not asians because of our eyes which is completely idiotic and ignorant.
just to clarify we're all austronesian and came from the same homeland but some of us sailed many years ago far from eachother and thats why we dont look alike now but saying ph and polynesian have nothing in common is wrong
and yeah theyre not pacific islander for sure
Yall are austronesian, just like we Pacific islanders are, but you are the first to be dropped off the boat. We polynesians were the last.
@Kalo King nah bruh lol
Im Filipino American, born in the Philippines living in the US most of my life. I always knew I was South East Asian. I often ask other people, are you part Filipino? You must, coz your good looking 😂😂.Power to my SEA brothers and sisters🇵🇭🇺🇸 and peace to my Pacific Island cousins. Cheehoo!
We are about as Pacific Islander as the Japanese, Taiwanese, and the Indonesians. No but seriously, we're Southeast Asian.
I've been debating with pro-Pacific Filipino for 6 months now.
They think....
"Japanese are too white to be Pacific Islanders" (Okinawans and some Japanese like the Native Japanese are dark-skinned)
"Taiwan/Japan is too Chinese to be Pacific Islanders" (2 million Filipinos consider themselves pure-Chinese and 25% of 110m consider themselves Chinese-mixed)
"Taiwan, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc was never colonized by America, so they can't be Pacific islanders" (Maori. Melanesians. Never colonized by America either...)
"All Southeast Asians are Pacific Islanders" (a lot of them claim this)
They have a lot of excuses for why Taiwan and Japan are not Pacific Islanders.
There you have it, they think a lot about color of people's skins, and some of them are actually blatantly racist.
@@joodeki They are Americans first and foremost, that's why their mindset is like that.
@@thwb4661 For real. I've had several pro-Pacific Filipino (Americans) claim to me in the comments that they "know better" because they are more knowledgeable on the subject because they are Americans. (Little hint: Americans DO NOT learn about the Philippines in the US. Not in high school and not in college.)
These guys are so delusional they think their opinion is the majority and think Philippine-Filipinos are less educated.
They tell me those things and then they have the nerve to tell me I have a colonial mentality because I consider Filipinos as Asian. The nerve, bro. smh
@@joodeki Just say they are Americans of Filipino descent. I don't claim actually as "Filipinos" especially those were born and raised in the US, don't speak a Philippine language, nor have set foot in the Philippines. To me, the only Filipino that they have is their ancestry, the rest is American. So, I don't consider them to be one of us unless they actually live (at least partly) in the Philippines like Bretman Rock.
@@thwb4661 I mean, that's an over simplification of it. There are many Filipino-Americans that moved here for a job/family, but were born in the Philippines.
And many Filipino-Americans do not label themselves as "Pacific Islander". These pro-Pacific Filipinos are just a very vocal minority and do not represent the Filipino-Americans that consider themselves Asians. Most first generation (children born in the US) Filipino-Americans are proud Asians, even if they may not relate to the Philippines (Most Asian-Americans relate to other Asian-Americans and are often hated/disliked by people of their home country). Kinda like how you're saying "they're not Filipino", despite them still being ethnically Filipino.
However, with that said, I understand, from time to time I do just say "Fil-Am". I just don't do it all the time to avoid "simplification". (I've run into a few Philippine-Filipinos that do claim they are Pacific Islanders).
as a pacific islander they can gladly consider themselves islanders but not pacific islanders
@god says Why do you filipinos have a problem with being asian? You will NEVER be Pacific Islander. Ever. Keep coping tho, flip
@god says lol exactly I’m half Filipino but from culture all the way to physical aspects and mannerisms Filipinos are strikingly similar to Pacific Islanders due to 1. Spanish colonization 2. Pacific Islanders originate from the same point of south east Asia Filipinos did near Taiwan
Just like Japanese can consider themselves Islanders, and Australians and people from the Azores. When I say this it pisses them off lol.
@@Kangaroofilet does it suck being asian?
@god says maritime southeast Asians have close links genetically and linguistically to the pacific islands especially Guam and Palau, but we aren’t the same
We Filipinos in the Philippines strongly identifies as Southeast Asians. We are not even aware of Pacific Islanders. The Southeast Asian connection here is very strong. Who we don't connect to are the Filipino Americans because they are so white washed.
No! the culture is way too different and language is way too different too.
People are out of touch with their heritage and it's saddening
You’d be surprised how many similarities there are, especially with our languages lmao
i dont know why some people are having a hard time understanding that Filipinos are literally, ethnically, racially, geographically Southeast Asians. im so sick and tired explaining this to people. A lot of people specially in tiktok are claiming that Filipinos are not Asians like wtf??!! I dont know if they are trolls or not but its really offensive. Filipinos are Asian! Not Pacific Islanders. I feel like people who are pushing the idea that Filipinos are Pacific Islander just wanted attention and just wanna gain popularity. Filipinos are very different from pacific Islanders. I always try my best to explain this to people in tiktok, i told them to watch videos here in RUclips for a concrete explanation that FILIPINOS ARE ASIAN. No one in the Philippines claim that they are Pacific islanders, they are all aware that they are Asians and they are so proud of it. This whole thing was taught in grade school in the Philippines. I love every race but its really offensive for me the a lot of people are not proud of their roots. it's offensive to pretend to be someone you're not.
If you put a Filipino, a Malaysian, and an Indonesian in a room, you will notice that they look very similar because they have same ancestry. They are originally Southeast Asian, some Thai look like Filipino too. Actually Southeast Asians have different skin tone in present time (light, dark, brown). For example, Southeast Asian Countries like Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, a lot of people there has dark/brown skin tone, we could say that's because the climate is tropical, humid, and very hot. Scientifically, they are originally dark thousands of years ago. These dark original people actually were the original people to reach and inhabit all of South East Asia. Though it didn’t go as high up as the northern half of Vietnam or Laos etc. These countries immediately under China are sometimes known as Indochina, it appears the original dark native people that came from Africa did inhabit most of the lower areas of Indochina, meaning most of Thailand, southern Vietnam etc.
These dark original people fully inhabited all of the island South East Asia, meaning Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines etc.
And yes, Filipinos were colonized by the Spaniards. we do have cultures that is similar to Spanish but our Southeast Asian Culture are strong too. Also, one thing that added to the confusion is because a lot of people in the Philippines has Spanish last name (due to colonization) but in reality the majority of Filipinos are full blooded SOUTHEAST ASIAN.
WE SHOULD ALL LOVE AND RESPECT EACH OTHER!
what's funny is, these non-filipinos and fil-ams are the ones who's forcing the idea of what should we identify as, their claims should actually matter the least when it comes to our identity, they act like they know the philippines more than the native filipinos do
Thank you for this video, most filipinos get upset or defensive and automatically call me racist or hateful but I understand the amount of pain they go through just to be included. Alot of FilAms need to see this video and educate themselves and be humble about themselves. Alot of people are mislead that all pacific islanders originated from Philippines but to be specific during the migration of Asians and islanders Phillipines was never a collective people and race / ethnicity until Spain gave them their name. I have plenty filipino family and friends and I don't hate them, they are one of the hardest working people on the planet nice and kind.
Only filams wanted to be Pacific Islander. Filipinos knows we are asians
True I am out here in the USA and I do get alot who rather be pacific islanders over Asians and their reason is they are from an island. So I ask them what about Japanese? They are on an island but they don't reference themselves as Pacific Islanders. Then they give ne the bad look. I'm sorry just stating the facts. What was the names of the people and place before spain arrived?
@@guahunai3308 Philippines president was divided into multiple kingdoms. The kingdom of sugbu, tondo,mai, cabolam, magindanao, sulu, ijang, namayan,dapete, mariete and butuan.
Other parts remain tribal like kagayan and igorot society
@@s2oop436 thank you kind soul. What were their ethnicity? Who were their ancestors?
@@guahunai3308 depending on region majority are austronesians but in terms of people group you can say indians, malay, southern Chinese even Japanese and vietnamese
This is why most Polynesians I know just roll their eyes when some Filipinos consider themselves Pacific Islanders. Pasifika people are already unrepresented and hate being thrown under the umbrella term ‘AAPI.’ That month serves no purpose for them as it ignores them. For you to consider yourself one for your identity crisis or whatever reason is adding to the problem. Those who claim to be Pacific Islander but have no interest in the ongoing problems Pacific Islander ppl are facing. Uninterested in what’s going on in Hawaii! Getting traditional tattoo because the rock or pasifika ppl has it without learning the meaning & history behind it! I remember in high school a small group of Filipino wear island attire and jewelry to school but when it comes to multicultural event, they joined our Asian club but didn’t join the Polynesian club.
Everyone knows PI people are those who has origins from Oceania. Just stop the nonsense. Also I’m not bashing all Filipinos, this is just something I experienced and see happen a lot in California.
Dont generalize us. Only filipino americans claim that. I never heard of this in my country until i saw a video of fil americans considering themselves as pacific islanders. Such a disgrace thay they are dragging us into an issue we dont even know about.
I think what seals the deal is that Southeast Asians we know of now weren’t the original inhabitants of Southeast Asia, it was Melanesians until they came and took over which is why they’re still pockets of Melanesian or Pygmy tribes still there.
I know I always laugh when I see a white dude with a poly sleeve its so great to see that cultural export really thriving in the west! 😂
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 “cultural export” 💀💀
Short answer: Filipinos are not Pacific Islanders.
Here is a question for you Filipinos. As a Polynesian myself, a lot of us Polynesians and other Pacific Islanders I've talked to, see Filipino Americans that claim to be Pacific Islanders as people who love our culture and wishes it were their own. We see them as people who hate themselves and their own culture so much that even though the people who these Filipino Americans want to associate with (Polynesians) try to educate them, they harden their brain and refuse to listen to the truth even though the facts are clear. But here is the question, why? What is so bad about being Filipino that make these Filipino Americans try to be something they are not? Is all this due to negative Asian stereotypes?
asians just hate themselves lol
Well many Americans have this ignorant stereotype that all "Asian" cultures are Sinitic for some stupid reason. Filipino culture and history breaks a lot of "Asian" stereotypes in that Filipinos are Hispanized.
Filipinos in the Philippines don't do this, only the Fil-ams who hates their true identity, because they have racist views towards Asians in general.
Right like I always wonder aren't they proud of their own heritage? Their roots? Smh🤦♂️
I think the identity crisis just comes from the multiple colonizing and imperializing forces on the Philippines, I mean for about 400 years we had no rest from those colonizing forces always trying to conquer us from the Spanish to America to Japan and then finally we had our own rule.So because fil Ams, weren’t born in the mainland Philippines they had no proper education on their own history and culture and ties with other countries in precolonial Times. Therefore when Filipinos claim Pacific Islander I think they do it because of lack of cultural ties with Filipino culture and history or they just don’t want to deal with negative Asian stereotypes which is insanely infuriating. Which I totally get .
During the migration of the ancestors of Micronesia and Polynesia around 6000 years ago phillipines were never and identification tribe and or chain of islands. So our ancestors technically didn't come from phillipines and your ethnicity was never created. What was the name of these chain of islands 6000 yrs ago? What tribe do you all claim and did the ancestors of our people Micronesia and Polynesia identify your ancestors in our history? Sundaland?
If you consider philippines to be pacific islander coz its close to pacific ocean. Then consider japan as well, coz technically japan is closer to the pacific ocean than philippines. . And culturally, we are much closer to indonesia and malaysia and even latin america than pacific islander. . The only thing common with filipinos and pacific islanders is we are all categorized austronesians.
The Philippines are in Southeast Asia. So they are southeast Asians.
Philippines is very close to the Pacific, but yea they're Maritime Southeast Asians just like Indonesia and Malaysia. Most Pacific Islanders are a mix between Austronesians (Native Taiwanese and Maritime Southeast Asians) and Melanesians (Papuans, Negritos, etc) that somehow by some genetic mutations they became big and tall. Filipinos are Southeast Asian Austronesians.
Philippines is still inside Eurasian tectonic plate like China, while all Pacific Island countries are inside Pacific plate (but probably Papua New Guinea is an exception since they are inside of Indo-australia plate.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610 true
There are a lot of Austronesian branches. Firstly, there's a pure Austronesian (Native Taiwanese), then there's Maritime Southeast Asian Austronesians a mix between pure Austronesians, Negritos, Melanesians, and Austroasiatics (Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, etc), African Austronesians a mix between pure Austronesians and Africans (Madagascans), Pasifika Austronesians a mix between pure Austronesians and Melanesians (Polynesians and Micronesians).
@KOKO Martin yes we're actually related to all of them by our Austronesian ancestors, BUT WE'RE NOT Pacific Islanders (Pasifika Austronesian) WE'RE SOUTHEAST ASIAN AUSTRONESIAN of course there are some similarities in words/numbers but no WE ARE NOT PACIFIC ISLANDERS. WE ARE RELATED TO THEM BUT WE ARE NOT THEM. Their genes are fair in Austronesian and Melanesian while our genes are mixed with Austronesian, Austroasiatic, and a little Negrito percentage, some of us are pure or high in Austronesian genes, some are high in Austroasiatic genes, even some of us are mixed with Han Asian genes like Chinese.
Finally someone who gets it. we are austronesians and are in fact related to the Pacific Islanders, however we are not them as we are Southeast Asians like Indonesians and Malaysians. Much better responsd than the fil-ams saying we're not Asians :/
@@kimlip961 Filipinos arent mixed with Austroasiatic, Filipinos are lumped together with Native Taiwanese genetically but linguistically lumped together with Indonesian and Malaysian (Malayo-Polynesian)
I’ve been waiting for this comment. This should be on the top 🙌🙌
@@uglybepis3571actually there was a 2021 paper released that showed that austro-asiatics did come as a wave to the philippines some time after the negrito/papuan migration but before the austronesian migration from taiwan. From what I remember from reading the paper a lot of them settled on mindanao.
As a Sāmoan, it’s already hard enough for Pasifika since we are underrepresented in AAPI month. Our issues are ignored from colonisation, stolen lands & climate change. It’s hard when our voices are not heard. I see some Filipinos in the US, now getting Sāmoan cultural tatau (tattoos) to prove they’re are Pasifika 🤦🏽♂️
Filipinos don't give damn about us real Pacific Islanders.
I think thats more flattery than anything else if thats really whats going on with the art and to be fair, if you're going to have a moan about that, hold the same energy for white ppl who adorn moko and poly-style tatts because we've all seen those havent we, there are loads of these types in the west. If a Filipino wants to wear samoan art let them I dont see the issue as long as they are doing it to show solidarity for their samoan mates.
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 bro he just said they are getting the tattoos to prove that they are pacific islander when they are not
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 yeah I think its flattery, i mean, I do see a lot of white ppl walking around with polynesian art. Hell, theres a studio down the street pumping it out to tourists and no one says anything until a Filipino steps out lol, the internal hypocrisy is funny to observe I will say.
@@powderpuffs4456 😂i want to say its flattery to begin with, but, we've seen too many at this point I mean, its a business now with dedicated studios run by ppl who got no business in the pacific
Challenge of the Day: Find one RUclips video about Polynesians that have no Filipinos in the comment section.
Bet no one finds a single video. Seems Filipino Americans are infatuated with us Polynesians. We should be flattered but it went from being flattered to being annoyed.
they really obsessed with us. It's getting creepy tbh
We deeply apologise on behalf of them dumb filams, as filipinos living in the Philippines, we promise you guys, nobody in here does not classify themselves as pacific islander, literally all filipinos here in the Philippines classify themselves as southeast asian
I work at a tattoo shop and the amount of white ppl and asians that come in for moko and fake poly art is astounding.. its a real export and the west loves it so much. They do love poly so and poly culture its amazing to see the respect they show through mimicry isnt it?
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 they love the culture, but they never love you...
@god says Sure they are buddy. Whatever makes you feel better lol
2:29 🤦♂️ so not because they think they’re Pacific Islanders, but because they don’t wanna be Asian? That’s a stupid reason to be selecting Pacific Islander. Stop comparing yourself to East Asians, yall are SOUTHEAST Asians.
It makes so much sense! My husband has a friend who came to visit. He’s native California but living in the Phillipines. What makes sense to me is because my grandparents from Switzerland and Norway had to deal with so many stereotypes. Great video! Thank you 💕
Philippines do not have Oceanic geology, we are not Pacific Islanders, despite the similarities in our heritage. We are Southeast Asians. Period. From a Filipino living in New Zealand, I can assure you PI pals are built different and we are built different. We should clearly set the record straight. It’s just the US who thinks Filipinos are PIs.
I've been debating with pro-Pacific Filipino for 6 months in another video, many of them don't care about geography. They see "a lot" of similarities between Pacific Islanders and Filipino, but they love to ignore the even more similarities between Southeast Asians, East Asians, and Filipino. Like, they straight up tell me "Taiwanese/Japanese are too Chinese to be Pacific islanders", while ignoring the fact that the Philippines has a lot of pure-Chinese Filipino and way more Chinese-mixed Filipinos. 1/4 of our traditional foods is Chinese-related for crying out loud. And tinikling uses BAMBOO.
They tend to be Filipino-American, so they don't even understand there are 170+ different groups of people in the Philippines.
By the way, the similarities they always mention is "Samoans use the same number system "we" do!" (Isa, dalawa, tatlo). But like.. Zamboagans speak Spanish, that doesn't make them European....
So, yeah... that's the kind of people they are from my 6 months experience debating with them.
Filipino-American who claims they are Pacific Islanders and not asian are not Filipino but outsiders. They usually spread their own makeup stories but can’t backed it up
Fam Filipinos aren’t Pacific Islander
Exactly! There's a lot of fakeness going in there, especially them Filipinos telling other people that were not asians because of our eyes which is completely idiotic and ignorant.
You're agreeing with the video
Americans (with Filipino ancestry) PLEASE STOP MISPREPRESENTING REAL FILIPINOS.
Im Filipino and I can guarantee you right now Jose Rizal, the Ilustrados and other Filipino Hispanistas would be laughing at these Fil-American ignorance of calling Filipinos "Pacific Islanders". There was a reason why the Philippines was called "La Perla del Mar de Oriente"- the Pearl of the Orient Sea- and it is because the Philippines is in ASIA, specifically South East Asia. Just because the Philippines is in Asia doesnt cancel it's shared heritage with Spain and Mexico, and doesnt mean the Philippines has to subscribe to the ignorant stereotype that all "Asian" cultures are Sinitic.
did you know there are pinoy living in the western pacific for generations now
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 that means absolutely nothing. White people have been living in the Pacific for generations, does that make them Pacific Islander as well??
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 Wow! thats amazing I never knew that. Which islands have they been living on in the Western & South Pacific?
@@powderpuffs4456 Filipinos have been living in Hawaii since shortly after the year 1899 when Spain lost the PH to USA. Filipinos have been living in Guam for centuries since the time Guam became a Spanish territory in the mid 16th century. Guam and the Philippines were known then as the Spanish East Indies (Las Indias Orientales).
@@ontariofirs7347 so, are they known as asian or spanish 😐
No pacific islander thinks of Filipinos as one of them
True we're too Asian to be considered Pacific Islander.
I have a feeling you are a pacific islander cause i see you all over the haka videos.... or maybe it's another guy with the same
Pacific Islander? I'm a filipino but never heard that word before but it sounds interesting to be honest 👌
Filipinos who live outside of the Philippines particularly the US have an identity crisis 😂 they don't know if they're South East Asian, Pacific Islander or Latino. They will just claim whichever one that benefits them the most.
Of course. Do we have the choice when they grouped us with Asians? They made the choice. Is it wrong to identify as pacific islanders if it would benefit us? Why yes? We are the ones living here in the pacific islands of the Philippines. Why it would be them to have the right to designate what should be our identity?
@@srebaayao9616 It's quite disrespectful to actual Native Hawaiian, Samoan, Guamanian, Chamorro, Fijian, and Tongan people that you're trying to steal their identity for your own personal gains. Its very similar to how some Black Americans are claiming to be the original Native Americans. "Do we have the choice when they grouped us with Asians" dude they grouped you with Asians because you're freaking Asian, Southeast Asian to be exact 😂
@@srebaayao9616 the day you Filams have pro NFL players and top football prospects then maybe you guys can claim Pacific Islanders. You guys aren't built the same, Samoans and Tongans genetics are very different from Filipinos. Japan is an Island in the Pacific Ocean do they make this outrageous claim to be Pacific Islanders? Filipinos in Philippines proudly claim to be Asian it's only you Filams who have this identity crisis 😂
"wanna watch a Filipino movie?"
"Yea let's watch Moana"
See? It don't make sense.😂😂
as a filipino Moana doesn't make sense, I can relate to raya even encanto compare to Moana
🤣🤣
Other than the seafaring tradition, there’s nothing I can relate to Moana as a Filipino hahahaha
you should've just said Polynesia Melenesia Micronesia. oh and No. Filipino's aint No Pacific Islanders. Fakaz are Asians!
Have you ever travelled in the Pacific Ring of Fire or Four Corners of the Pacific ? Philippines is geographically Asian but liguistically, culturally & genetically Pacific Islanders.
@@joeutuber6423 Have you Ben to Southeast Asia? Filipinos are so similar to other Southeast Asians.
@@jakeplummer2477 Thanks and yes, but both scientific and sociology fails on this population. Liguistically similar, culturally very distinct as well as genetic. It might be sparsed or little population but that's what we called Migration or Breeding. The closest one is Filipinos to the Pacific Islanders but Melanesia and Micronesia is different stories of Migration but culturally adoptation during Colonization. Hope I can further explain it to you scientifically but you need to travel the Pacific Ring of Fire so you can scientically both postive and negative dissertation not just by reading Wikipedia.
@@joeutuber6423 genetically? How is it distinct genetically when Filipinos look exactly like other Southeast Asians? Also culturally, Filipino culture is very similar to other Southeast Asians. Look at Filipino food...look at Filipino dances...look at the deep history Filipinos have with other Asians like China and even India. I've lived in the South Pacific and other than Micronesians looking like Southeast Asians...there are not many similarities with Filipino culture and Pacific Islander culture.
Jake Plummer indo, malay and filipinos are austronesians. They are the only people in southeast asia to speak languages from the same language family and the ones to look like us. I mean the thais look alot similar to us too but theyre much more siamese i.e. burmese.
Im making a movie about this. Any opinions on my script?
Here's the revised script:
Kiko: (excitedly) Yo, Sione! I've been learning about our shared Pacific Islander roots!
Sione: (scoffs) Oh please, Kiko. You don't know anything about Polynesian culture.
Kiko: (proudly) Hey, I do too! We both love tattoos, and we both have a strong connection to the ocean... and we both love luaus!
Sione: (rolling his eyes) Luaus? You think that's all there is to Polynesian culture? That's just tourist stuff.
Kiko: (defensively) Hey, luaus are important! And we also have those cool grass huts... and we love dancing with grass skirts!
Sione: (disgusted) Grass skirts? You're perpetuating stereotypes, Kiko. You don't know anything about our real culture.
Kiko: (offended) Hey, I'm just trying to connect with my roots! You're always so quick to shut me down.
Sione: (frustrated) Your roots? You're not even Polynesian, Kiko! You're Filipino. Just be proud of your own culture.
Kiko: (angrily) My culture is Pacific Islander, just like yours! And I won't let you dictate what I can and can't claim.
Sione: (firmly) Fine, Kiko. But don't come crying to me when you realize you're just appropriating a culture you don't understand.
Kiko: (furiously) I don't need your approval, Sione! And I'll keep learning about my Pacific Islander heritage, with or without your help! (storms off)
In this version, Kiko is offended by Sione's dismissal of his attempts to connect with Polynesian culture. Kiko feels that Sione is being elitist and exclusionary, and he becomes angry and defensive.
Well the Philippines are in Asia…Asians come from Asia. Pacific Islanders come from the pacific islands. Pretty simple. Yes, Pacific Islanders have some genetics from the Philippines, however, Filipinos do not have the genetics of the pacific islands. A Pacific Islander is not Asian because of the additional mix from Papuan people that the Filipinos do not possess
The indigenous peoples of the Philippines do possess it which means you do too.
most Filipinos in the Philippines today are NOT true Filipinos anyways.
@@rossrose1534 indigenous filipinos are the minority of Philippines. We, igorots, ilocanos, etc aren't related to them.
Don't disrespect the Pacific Ocean......
I'm Pinoy but grew up in Australia. A lot of Filipinos growing up also had an identity crisis but no one claimed to be pacific islander. A lot of the filo kids would just put on some phony American accent or claim to be part spanish lol
I'm sure that's cause I could only assume more exposure to Islanders than Filipinos in the states
@@mikaele Plenty of Islanders in Australia.
@@juggernaut986 that's literally what I mean
@@juggernaut986 so this just proves only Fil-ams claim P.I then...?
@@newtype5005 yes
We are Southeast Asians of the Malay race!!! Only people who claims otherwise didn't even grew up or don't even know how to speak one filipino dialect.. Ironic...
Malay isn’t a race lol
We are Mongoloid....and theres no such Malay race wtf you talking about
I love this video...
I’m a Filipino and I consider myself as a Filipino... we are conquering the world...
Not by force but by spreading positive things...
Proud Pinoy forever ✊🏽🇵🇭❤️
The Philippines is asian and we are located in south east asia our ancestor come from aborigine taiwan not the han chinese then they stayed in the archipelago for a long time and intermarried the locals there which is the Negritos and Aeta then they started to migrate in the south and east even reach the polynesian and the madagascar. If u look at the tribe in the north the Cordilleran people the ifugao and igorot they are much more related to the tribes of taiwan the language also they practice head hunting and tattooing the T'boli tribe of mindanao also they are much related to the tribes of taiwan linguistically it may related they are called the 'dreamweavers of the philippines' the pintados of visayan idk but if u look at the tattoo they are similar or maybe its just a coincidence but yeah they are austronesian also each tribe has their own beliefs not all are hindu and buddhist only small minority because of trades happened in our neighbour predominantly we are practicing animism and paganism and religion folks so it may be different than those in our neighbouring country.
This is an issue with Filipinos who grew up here. They have identity issues.
I had a whole discussion with someone on this topic (a filipino) saying we’re Pacific Islander and I said “yes we’re Islanders in the pacific is not the same as Pacific Islanders japan,Taiwan and Indonesia are also islands in the pacific that mean their also Pacific Islanders??? NO!!!! their still in the continent of Asia, Pacific Islanders isn’t just a geography thing it’s also a culture thing and Philippines has zero in common with pacific island culture apart from the languages which is both an Austronesian language but other then that NONE
Philipines is not even in the Pacific, it is in the Phillipine Sea, South China sea, Sulu Sea and Celebres sea. In fact, the original reference for Philipines was "Lands surrounded by waters" in ancient Sanskrit. Philippines is not a Pacific Island.
@@StalkedByLoserscompletely agree it’s only delusional fil-am who wants to be moana wannabes 😭🤦♂️💀
I know I'm Asia coz my blood line is Chinese and indianMalay, both settle here in Philippines and here I am ❤️🇵🇭 proud Pinoy!
Yeah. That is a good question to have. before this type of topic ever was introduced to me, I identified myself as Asian, but after this question came along, it made me question who I was for a bit until I made my decision to just identify myself as Asian. Sure, I still question myself most of the time, but I think after seeing this video, I think it's safe to say, I do Identify myself as Asian.
@Eturu Kayi this person is probably from the diaspora with cultural disconnect. Everyone in the Philippines itself knows we're Southeast Asian.
The Philippines is historically linked with China and South East Asia genetically, cuisine wise, culturally, and linguistically not Pacific Islanders . Filipinos descended from migrations out of southern China and Taiwan so Filipinos very much resemble the people in other south East Asian countries not Pacific Islanders. Furthermore, many Filipinos look Chinese due to the significant admixture of Chinese in Filipinos. Philippine folk literature would be considered a subset of the folklore of peninsular Southeast Asia, which includes the folklore of Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brunei. Austronesian is a broad term, and is generally considered a linguistic grouping rather than an ethnic one. There are people in Madagascar who are Austronesian, but we wouldn’t consider them Pacific Islanders or Asians. Aboriginal Taiwanese people are Austronesian, but they aren’t Pacific Islanders. Asian and Pacific Islander aren’t just ethnic terms, but geopolitical ones.
Just think of Austronesian as a language family, like Indo-European, and Pacific Islander as a geopolitical categorization.
Genetically 90% of the various peoples of the archipelago have Chinese elements of their modern day DNA, and so far the Mongoloid Haplogroup C2-M217 was substantially expressed in the region dating as far back as 7000BCE according to analyses performed on early Proto Malay burial sites in Luzon and the Visayas so it is fair to say a modern day significant number of Filipinos have East Asian DNA.
Chinese supremacist🗣️🗣️🗣️
Filipino not Islanders stop claim chamorros, Guam not Philippines 🤣
yes
hey fil-ams just identify as filipino...haven't u have any pride?
I’m Filipino American and I’m Asian….