Baguazhang is an art of principles. It can be applied to your previous training. This is a nice demo of possible applications. When they train fighting skills, they wear protection.
Thanks for posting this, Master Duo Dexiu is an outstanding technical internal martial artist as well as powerful! He's much younger here and must be at least 60 now. Dan Miller's Bagua Journal is a treasure as well.
Technique has to be developed at skin to skin contact. There has to be sensitivity drills to develop the ability to neutralize the adversary’s force and then counter. The second training drill would involve practicing blocking and parrying blows without contact so as develop reactions to stimuli from the out side. Finally, the skill set should work at skin contact and from the outside once the fighting gap is closed.
The first post has no idea. The reason we start slow and easy is to get the feel. Then we gradually add I resistance of the opponent. And no matter what arm or leg you are reaching for if you miss Luo teaches to be a in a good enough position that if the lege grab or whatever is missed and we are I close to simply apply a strike. Can’t stand people come on here and have never have had the time or understanding to realize it isn’t just going after a leg or an arm. And if what was said was so true then what does mma work , or wrestling. Most fight will end up in a standing grappling range. We also have varying ranges for strikes , locks and throws. I’d love to se the op up against Luo.
@@JO-uy6zsI am a student of Yizong. I have been in seminars with Luo. I also have worked with a few other people within our lineage. Luo was one of Hong YI Xiang’s top fighters. He is a martial genius with years of hard work to promote his art.
One thing I noticed in this demo, is that the student is trying to punch the master from outside of punching distance/range (far away). In a real street fight we'd need to be more aware of the range of motion. Does Bagua teach close quarter combat techniques?
Also in any fight a key tenet is maintaining proper distance. In a situation where you're rushed of course different methods should be applied clinching or slipping if you're a boxer etc. But of course this is quite common knowledge to anyone in practically any art I'm sure you well aware of these concepts.
@David Wallace I think you're right. It is a long path and I think the emphasis on forms might be a more modern focus. I've trained them for two decades and figure a much faster approach would have been to focus in wrestling grappling and striking for five years then train icma. The movement skills and body mechanics found in them are great.
In theory it works but at real speed facing someone who knows how to box and move, not doubting the Sifu but takes years to do that in a real fight, love the style but it takes awhile
@Ram qi They mostly are grappling, but sometimes involve striking like knees or hitting the face as part of takedown setup. Unfortunately, most Chinese martial arts get a bad name due to people being taught CMA as striking arts. Grappling is what you would do instead of striking, due to the fact bladed weapons being a major thing back when most martial arts were made. Edit: Would also like to add, some non-sport martial arts will have unarmed forms that mirror armed combat forms. This can make forms seem confusing, as you might mot realize the context of the form.
Fantastic Art Form, great when opponent plays nice! Not criticism; I will only quote Bruce Lee; ( not verbatim) I'm not so much concerned about the opponent that knows a thousand techniques; but more concerned about the opponent that knows one technique practiced a thousand times. Good to show the form and then application. For me I see the ability to learn to look for opportunities that might be presented in a fluid situation. Master in a dojo, take a Master out of this surrounding and place in an unfamiliar place on a street, uneven back alley, field of combat, etc., This unfamiliar environment will effect even the "Dojo Master". Great informative video; not criticism, I took away as stated .. ideas of opportunity that might present itself .. that's just my take on all Art Forms.
Luo DeXiu has used this in the street and the ring. He's also taught outstanding practical Kungfu teachers like Tim Cartmell, as well as helping some Asian MMA fighters sharpen their game.
@Michael Terrell II I've already mentioned it on the Fight Commentary Breakdowns multiple times. I don't personally know the fighters that Luo Dexiu recently helped train, but I know there were a few videos of that fighter floating around RUclips a few years ago. Forgot what organization he fought for... possibly "One FC." I do know that Tim Cartmell used to train with Luo Dexiu and still teaches at the Ace Jiujitsu school in the Southern California area (and I've recommended "Fight Commentary Breakdowns" to interview Mr. Cartmell already. Would be a very informative interview, as Tim is well versed in both BJJ and Chinese internal arts like Xingyi, Bagua and Wu style Taiji).
I've done bagua for just a year or so and not an expert in any way. I feel the way to digest these videos is not through memorizing the moves but rather notice what particular "thing" is being manipulated by the move, which I think is what the shifu is trying to convey anyway; I don't think one expects every move to be carried out in its entirety. For example, that first move at 3:15, what I took away is 1. trying to twist the opponent's body to get them off balance, and one of those ways is by pulling on opposite arms and 2. when you're close to the person, you can spin the arm and leg in opposite directions topple the opponent or push him away while keeping yourself stable. However, as one would in a game of chess, sometimes you try out a strategy and it doesn't work, then one must abort the move or change up the move at the right time.
A beautiful art form that is great for physical, mental and spiritual growth but truthfully most of this will not work against an aggressive attacker who vigorously resists. The day someone enters a mma fight against a half competent mma fighter , and doesn't totally embarrass themselves , solely using Baguazhang style , i will return here and stream myself eating my hat whilst naked as my pet pig sprouts wings and flys all the way to frozen hell.
Some people teach bagua for health and all those flowery things but rest assured yizong teaches gao style bagua mainly for fighting, a lot of violent throws and turning limbs till they tear tendons, Luo is a very nice guy though, he has to slow all this down so he can actually teach it but when he applys it in combat/sparring its extremely fast and subtle
It's very difficult to compare a single style to a blend of styles. Baguazhang was developed and taught as an art for bodyguards in the 1870s. The style as a whole includes a lot of illegal moves for UFC (breaks, small joint manipulation, stomping grounded opponents, to name a few). Asking for these to be removed then comparing it to MMA is simply comparing apples to oranges. They are used for different things. That being said, I would consider Baguazhang an incomplete art. After having studied for over a year, it's very apparent that the style by itself has hardly any ground fighting. Does that mean I don't value the art any longer? No, of course not. It just means I have to employ the techniques I do know to avoid going to the ground, and if I wanted to go into MMA I would need to supplement that part of the game, probably with BJJ. But the same is true about Western styles, like modern boxing. Edit: I brought up this discussion with my sifu, and he pointed out that firearms were in use when baguazhang was developed, so the go to would be to shoot the assailant, and use bagua if that wasn't an option.
It's not made for MMA, totally different scenario. Actually nothing is made for MMA. BJJ, American boxing, kick boxing, Asian martial arts, none of it. Totally apples and oranges. And those are all legit fighting styles.
Grabbing arm is not very practical in real fights. I have seen some baqua practitioners diverting a straight punch without grabbing the arm. Boxers and Muay Thai do not throw straight punches like that. They will step in and out very quickly with a straight punch slightly from the side and not that straight. Sometimes they will fake a punch when in fact they will do a low kick to your front leg.
Most of the techniques would not work against a real attacker. It's almost impossible to grab an arm or wrist that is coming at you, let alone follow up with a multi-step routine while the 'attacker' just stands there, waiting for you to finish.
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Baguazhang is an art of principles. It can be applied to your previous training. This is a nice demo of possible applications. When they train fighting skills, they wear protection.
Bagua has helped me with grappling I would cross train with MMA regularly sparring the 2 are lethal
Best baguazhang video ever made.
yes!
Thanks for posting this, Master Duo Dexiu is an outstanding technical internal martial artist as well as powerful! He's much younger here and must be at least 60 now. Dan Miller's Bagua Journal is a treasure as well.
Thank you for sharing this. What a gem.
Very best Ba Gua video, indeed!
Absolutely superb. Thank You for sharing
Such great content.
Technique has to be developed at skin to skin contact. There has to be sensitivity drills to develop the ability to neutralize the adversary’s force and then counter. The second training drill would involve practicing blocking and parrying blows without contact so as develop reactions to stimuli from the out side. Finally, the skill set should work at skin contact and from the outside once the fighting gap is closed.
Very nice work, thank you.
thanks for sharing, missing the days back in Taiwan
Did you get to train with Luo Laoshi in Taipei? How lucky!
Hes good, simple as that
Amazing vedio
Best video
Aang would be proud
Lol
This is fantastic, thank you so much for sharing this stellar content, its very much appreciated and so very beautifully filmed as well!
Nice, thanks for sharing!
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Awesome!
Very Nice!!!!
"Swimming Body Continuous Palm" ?? Dope.
Since Bagua are focus on circular movement and evasive some of their moves are similar to Aikido.
Bon appetit.
The first post has no idea. The reason we start slow and easy is to get the feel. Then we gradually add I resistance of the opponent. And no matter what arm or leg you are reaching for if you miss Luo teaches to be a in a good enough position that if the lege grab or whatever is missed and we are I close to simply apply a strike. Can’t stand people come on here and have never have had the time or understanding to realize it isn’t just going after a leg or an arm. And if what was said was so true then what does mma work , or wrestling. Most fight will end up in a standing grappling range. We also have varying ranges for strikes , locks and throws. I’d love to se the op up against Luo.
You a student of Luo De Xiu?
@@JO-uy6zsI am a student of Yizong. I have been in seminars with Luo. I also have worked with a few other people within our lineage. Luo was one of Hong YI Xiang’s top fighters. He is a martial genius with years of hard work to promote his art.
@@JO-uy6zsdo you train?
The Hyuuga clan would be proud
One thing I noticed in this demo, is that the student is trying to punch the master from outside of punching distance/range (far away). In a real street fight we'd need to be more aware of the range of motion. Does Bagua teach close quarter combat techniques?
Plenty actually. Bagua has a lot of close range throws/clinch range technique. You can look up Luo DeXiu on RUclips.
Also in any fight a key tenet is maintaining proper distance. In a situation where you're rushed of course different methods should be applied clinching or slipping if you're a boxer etc.
But of course this is quite common knowledge to anyone in practically any art I'm sure you well aware of these concepts.
I imagine it's because he's trying to make it easier to see what's going on. It is a demonstration video not a sparing video.
@@stephena1196 I'm glad it's filmed that way, makes it easy to follow on a computer monitor.
This is just for a video. Luo does teach a lot of distancing drills.
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8:00 for nasty Pi Chuan entry into lu with chin na
Cool.
Are there any high level sambo, Shuai jiao practitioners that have trained this system with positive things to say?
@David Wallace true enough. Though that doesn't seem to be what he focuses on and trains students for competition with as far as I know.
@David Wallace I think you're right. It is a long path and I think the emphasis on forms might be a more modern focus. I've trained them for two decades and figure a much faster approach would have been to focus in wrestling grappling and striking for five years then train icma. The movement skills and body mechanics found in them are great.
@@illiJomusic Tim focuses on BJJ because that's where the money is. Nothing more complicated than that.
In theory it works but at real speed facing someone who knows how to box and move, not doubting the Sifu but takes years to do that in a real fight, love the style but it takes awhile
Yeah exactly that s why i always tough Chinese martial are meant for grappling not intercepting a punch
@Ram qi
They mostly are grappling, but sometimes involve striking like knees or hitting the face as part of takedown setup. Unfortunately, most Chinese martial arts get a bad name due to people being taught CMA as striking arts. Grappling is what you would do instead of striking, due to the fact bladed weapons being a major thing back when most martial arts were made.
Edit: Would also like to add, some non-sport martial arts will have unarmed forms that mirror armed combat forms. This can make forms seem confusing, as you might mot realize the context of the form.
Fantastic Art Form, great when opponent plays nice! Not criticism; I will only quote Bruce Lee; ( not verbatim) I'm not so much concerned about the opponent that knows a thousand techniques; but more concerned about the opponent that knows one technique practiced a thousand times.
Good to show the form and then application. For me I see the ability to learn to look for opportunities that might be presented in a fluid situation.
Master in a dojo, take a Master out of this surrounding and place in an unfamiliar place on a street, uneven back alley, field of combat, etc., This unfamiliar environment will effect even the "Dojo Master".
Great informative video; not criticism, I took away as stated .. ideas of opportunity that might present itself .. that's just my take on all Art Forms.
Even greater when the opponent doesn't play nice.
Luo DeXiu has used this in the street and the ring. He's also taught outstanding practical Kungfu teachers like Tim Cartmell, as well as helping some Asian MMA fighters sharpen their game.
@Michael Terrell II I've already mentioned it on the Fight Commentary Breakdowns multiple times. I don't personally know the fighters that Luo Dexiu recently helped train, but I know there were a few videos of that fighter floating around RUclips a few years ago. Forgot what organization he fought for... possibly "One FC."
I do know that Tim Cartmell used to train with Luo Dexiu and still teaches at the Ace Jiujitsu school in the Southern California area (and I've recommended "Fight Commentary Breakdowns" to interview Mr. Cartmell already. Would be a very informative interview, as Tim is well versed in both BJJ and Chinese internal arts like Xingyi, Bagua and Wu style Taiji).
@Michael Terrell II you can always look up Tim cartmell. He studied with Luo for 5 years and currently also teaches BJJ
I've done bagua for just a year or so and not an expert in any way. I feel the way to digest these videos is not through memorizing the moves but rather notice what particular "thing" is being manipulated by the move, which I think is what the shifu is trying to convey anyway; I don't think one expects every move to be carried out in its entirety. For example, that first move at 3:15, what I took away is 1. trying to twist the opponent's body to get them off balance, and one of those ways is by pulling on opposite arms and 2. when you're close to the person, you can spin the arm and leg in opposite directions topple the opponent or push him away while keeping yourself stable. However, as one would in a game of chess, sometimes you try out a strategy and it doesn't work, then one must abort the move or change up the move at the right time.
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A beautiful art form that is great for physical, mental and spiritual growth but truthfully most of this will not work against an aggressive attacker who vigorously resists. The day someone enters a mma fight against a half competent mma fighter , and doesn't totally embarrass themselves , solely using Baguazhang style , i will return here and stream myself eating my hat whilst naked as my pet pig sprouts wings and flys all the way to frozen hell.
Some people teach bagua for health and all those flowery things but rest assured yizong teaches gao style bagua mainly for fighting, a lot of violent throws and turning limbs till they tear tendons, Luo is a very nice guy though, he has to slow all this down so he can actually teach it but when he applys it in combat/sparring its extremely fast and subtle
It's very difficult to compare a single style to a blend of styles. Baguazhang was developed and taught as an art for bodyguards in the 1870s. The style as a whole includes a lot of illegal moves for UFC (breaks, small joint manipulation, stomping grounded opponents, to name a few). Asking for these to be removed then comparing it to MMA is simply comparing apples to oranges. They are used for different things. That being said, I would consider Baguazhang an incomplete art. After having studied for over a year, it's very apparent that the style by itself has hardly any ground fighting. Does that mean I don't value the art any longer? No, of course not. It just means I have to employ the techniques I do know to avoid going to the ground, and if I wanted to go into MMA I would need to supplement that part of the game, probably with BJJ. But the same is true about Western styles, like modern boxing.
Edit: I brought up this discussion with my sifu, and he pointed out that firearms were in use when baguazhang was developed, so the go to would be to shoot the assailant, and use bagua if that wasn't an option.
so wheres that stream at
so when are you gonna eat your hat? Lol.
It's not made for MMA, totally different scenario. Actually nothing is made for MMA. BJJ, American boxing, kick boxing, Asian martial arts, none of it. Totally apples and oranges.
And those are all legit fighting styles.
Grabbing arm is not very practical in real fights. I have seen some baqua practitioners diverting a straight punch without grabbing the arm. Boxers and Muay Thai do not throw straight punches like that. They will step in and out very quickly with a straight punch slightly from the side and not that straight. Sometimes they will fake a punch when in fact they will do a low kick to your front leg.
But grapplers do grap the arm tho
Most of the techniques would not work against a real attacker. It's almost impossible to grab an arm or wrist that is coming at you, let alone follow up with a multi-step routine while the 'attacker' just stands there, waiting for you to finish.
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it's been a couple of months but I just have to add...HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
@@shawn6669 🥂
Exactly but most of techniques are meant to grab an arm that want to grab you in a grappling context not a striking one like in boxing
Impossible? Hardly. Easy? Not at all.
there s nothing "evasive...nor extremely powerful" about this ! won't last 0.5 secs in any fight.
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