I consider myself an open-minded believer. I believe atheists have good reasons for not believing, and I dont in any way think it's immoral. But even I couldn't help but feel a bit offended by his words.
we dont convince people by delivery of message, we show you scientific facts and sound logic , we disregard religious stupidity, and we dont care on how we deliver it, either you convince yourself and join us now or join us eventually.
Why are we even having to convince adults, in this day and age, that magic, and wizards in the sky don't exist? Condescending or not, it's a debate we shouldn't still be having.
You can tell by hes condesending tone that hes just trying to prove to hemself that hes right and that hes uncertain even of hes own claims, he doesin't speak with confidence. I whould love to debate him.
The only reason why religion is not considered to be a psychosis is: still too many are into this disease.(Richard Dawkins) Phillip you are brilliant, brother.
Don’t feel offended, I’m German and that’s many people talk there - they are very direct, sometimes even blunt - they don’t “sugar coat” anything. But that’s a good thing, I think!
I like how he is willing to highlight the most terrible things about organized religions and when it comes to the Greeks he conveniently ignores the most horrible things.
Sometimes, there is a tendency to judge the morality of dated or ancient cultures with our local cultural norm in our place and time. That norm over the eons evolves, sometimes rapidly. What is it that makes us think our local culture, especially today's politically-correct-on steroids or ultra-religious cultures--pick your favorite--is "correct?" (I also need to know what ancient Greek habit offends you before agreeing or disagreeing.)
@@Catman7442 If you were a member of any nation in the way of their world domination, you might think the Greeks a fairly uncouth bunch. Alexander the Great and his campaign comes to mind. Enslavement and torture of women and boys too young to be soldiers during their campaign across the globe. What would that make the cutoff age for young boys, 12? Every male old enough to be a soldier was subjected to wholesale slaughter.
Failed people - We all want the easy good life - but we know that making money is hard, but there are easier ways right? Supporters of Putin are living the easy good life In Corrupt countries, communist countries - those who have good contacts live the easy good life Such a life is not Earned, it is Given - and it is the far easier way & it appeals to the weak, the coward Guess how you get Heaven? You must grovel to the right boss, it cannot be Earned That is why Heaven is so appealing to such people & why they kill and abuse in the name of religion
It's almost like... Corrupt leaders USE religion to justify wars!!! Whoa! Maybe condescending atheists like this tone deaf speaker will one day open their eyes and stop blaming religion for standard human behaviors.
U havent viewed very many, but you were probably only allowed to value one book as truth growing up. Good luck on healing from your religous trauma. Btw. Some of the best TED talks are the ones that TED bans and censors.
I think the problem is not necessarily religion but monotheism. I see nothing wrong with having personal spiritual beliefs that fall outside of logic or science. The problem is dogma that let's people control, demonize, or dehumanize others for non-belief. Nobody gets upset that someone might like chocolate over vanilla but if you prefer one set of spiritual beliefs over another that somehow can justify anything from enslavement to genocide.
But religion is still harmful because if you believe in something without and good evidence or reason, you can be talked into believing other things for no good reason. This is why we have cults, conspiracy theorists and flat earthers. It would be much better to teach children to think critically.
Grew up a Catholic and I love individuals who speak like this. It’s impossible for me to be insulted on an individual speaking about religion. It’s like any other anthropological or clinical topic.
Three questions: By his logic, shouldn’t atheism & secularism also therefore be private? Is treating people with contempt what we should expect when atheism rules? Please explain the consequences of the Soviet Union and Nazism (one atheist and one opposed to Judaism and Christianity)?
His understanding of psychology is poor or very much based on bias-confirmation. Psychology shows that people are born with a natural belief in the supernatural. Atheism is actually taught. His whole talk was based on subjective feelings. There was no rational discussion on religion at all. His understanding of history and philosophy is poor too. It is the worst TED speech I have seen. Normally the worst TED speeches usually have some factual evidence to support their subjective position.
@@RedSquirrelHunter so psychologists are living in delusion? Or is it you? I would go with the psychologists having a better understanding and being less delusional, thank you.
I have been brought up in a religious family. Since my childhood, I have questioned the existence of God, ghosts or anything supernatural. No one taught me not to believe in God but everyone tried to indoctrinate me with fake beliefs. I am lucky, I can still think by myself and see what's right, what's fake. I can't trust you unless you show me the studies psychologists did to show that people are born with a natural belief. You are most certainly wrong. If a child is brought up in isolation from all religions, there is no way he/she will have the slightest perception of the existence of God. You can look at animals, they aren't aware of any God. You can tell that simply by examining their movements and behaviour.
THANK YOU SO MUCH PHILIPP MÖLLER THIS VIDEO MISSES 1.35 BILLION VIEWS AND A TRANSLATION IN EVERY OTHER LANGUAGE I watch TedTalks for more than 10 years but this one is the most important for humanity i think. Danke für deine Arbeit Phil
Repost: @Lyrics: "everyone is free to believe in what he wants" > *Wrong!* (on multiple levels) A) You can't choose what you believe in. You believe (in) something, because you became convinced of it due to good or bad reasoning. B) "Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons." [Michael Shermer] C) "This is why it matters what you believe. Belief informs actions. Actions have consequences." D) "Attack ideas, not people. (Criticize action, not identity.)" E) "We should kill bad ideas, before bad ideas kill people." (17:45) [Philipp Möller citing/paraphrasing Michael Schmidt-Salomon] The German original: "Wir müssen falsche Ideen sterben lassen, bevor Menschen für falsche Ideen sterben." My translation: We have to let die false ideas, before people die for false ideas. MfG, Egooist
It's also completely misguided. Look at the countries that implemented state atheism. China, Cambodia, the Soviet union, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam are all shining examples of state atheism. Yes, very peaceful. Just don't disagree with the government or you'll be executed. Stop blaming religion for the evils of power hungry humans. Atheists need to grow up and smell reality.
Clever title to get people of faith to listen to you berate them and attempt to talk them down from their belief systems. What is the "future of religion"? His answer; we just shouldn't have it anymore. And people were losing faith long before we had access to the internet. Your claim that there is a correlation between atheism and access to information seems desperate to me. What's this about Buddhists' genocide against non-Buddhists? Come back when you actually have something to talk about.
Plus, there's a very big problem. Most of the information on internet is secondary and ANYONE with any idea of Information Literacy will tell you that trusting information on internet is not something which one should do.
But its true though. There is no future of any religion. Generation Z is the least religious generation. Atheism has been doubled in gen Z. I think it's time to stop believing in imaginary things and get real. It's time to focus on more important things such as climate change, global peace, human rights, animal rights, science and technology. That being said, I agree that religions, culture and traditions should be preserved and practised, because they make many people happy.
And how long do you think that You will continue to live in a world without a moral authority?? You speak of which you clearly have zero understanding, like many. You have zero understanding about where our laws came from and want to return to survival of strongest?? You would not last 1 day.
@@djgolfpro why do inteligent beings need a god for a moral authority, i was rised without it and i still have morals, laws and law enforcers are already an authority
@@bigallin4525 yes, morality is written on your heart at birth. The problem comes when that morality is being interpreted or rejected by the individual. This applies to super intelligent people who believe eugenics is a legitimate practice.
By 8 min, he´s a tragic-comedian like the New Atheists. He´s a little unclear about the Greek situation, in which Socrates etc were spiritual philosophers. He´s wrong about the basis of Europe´s good social system, but he is right about reform. "It hasn´t worked for 2000 years....." That´s the problem. From Universities to abolishing slavery, Christian spirituality led the way, and up to the UN by FDR. Moller´s "atheism" is what? It´s secular humanist extremism equating outrage and the irony of hypocrisy with the issue, and his own intolerant anti-religious ideology. In Social Europe it almost seems to work, because social values after WW II were set up strongly. The analysis needs to address individual needs, which corresponds to spirituality, and modernization.
I participated in a 40-person group exercise between atheists and people with a spiritual/religious model of moral ethics. Several questions were submitted to BOTH; like how important is the preservation of a human life? The spiritual group answered "Very important because Life is sacred" The atheist group answered "IT doesn't matter, it's just a life... like any other living species " Suppose you were having a HEART ATTACK and on the cusp of dying without someone to help, which of the two groups would you prefer to be near you????
I don't think I would really care, but, if I had to choose, I would probably choose the atheist because I think they would actually help and not just pray for me to get better
@@jennd8935 “Prayer is the medium of Miracles”...A Course in Miracles Sadly, this ancient proverb fits you to a tee: We question everything and everyone except our own IGNORANCE..
Yeah please re-evaluate... here and there u will find wisdom (which was taken from the then society and not from a sky daddy) but the rest half is nothing but anti-science, anti-ethical and anti-rational.
Why isnt this guy talking to anybody? Religion has also created many many positive things. Look at universities, hospitals, charities.... almost all of them were created as religious institutions. This guy is cherry picking... this will leave us with a nihilistic world where everything is acceptable and everybody is lonely
Excellent speech, I have been looking for such a great speech for the last 43 years. Philipp Möller! you are perfect. Whatever you told is the Future of this Globe.
I'm an agnostic atheist and I'm quite interested on the topic but I really couldn't keep going after like 4 minutes listening to him. thought it might change, but it didn't seem it would. he's condescending and too sure of himself.
I don't believe someone who doesn't understand religion has the authority to tell people what the future of religion is. It's like me saying I know the future of medical procedures, but I'm not a doctor and don't work in a hospital, but I think I have the right to judge what I don't know or understand.
The religious pay the price for the non-religious to thrive. They work the systems that support the freedom of the modern world. Everything adds up at the end of the day, some people just don’t have a choice what side of the equation they are on.
I left at 1:52..... people are so stereotypically predictable... I could tell he was one of those rude self absorbed athiests before he even opened his mouth..
This talk was pretty superficial. He kind of treats religion as this sort of affliction that we need to cure, when in reality it is something generated by mankind throughout history and obviously serves a purpose. Being religious mostly makes people feel calmer about themselves and their lives, it gives them a moral foundation and a community, and it gives them a sense of purpose. Religion promotes social cohesion and altruism. It takes us away from obsessing about ourselves and replaces the focus on God. Of course old doctrine is problematic in many ways, but it's unfortunately a kind of inevitability.
There's a reason there's billions of religious people on the planet... And there's a reason that countries that become more atheistic tend to dwindle and stagnate (eg, they stop having kids, amongst other things) *looking at every country that embraced state atheism
No conflict ever was fought only about religion but religion had a enormous impact to the conflicts or even was the main reason for almost all conflicts in our history
This sounds like religion to me - Netanyahu: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people, and only it."
The question should be; what would be the nature of such a being as "God" if god actually did exist? Just because humans have imagined a god in their own images doesn't mean there is a lack of something that we might perceive as a deity. Basic physics; matter is a specialized subset of reality that is produced by the interactions between various energy fields. We see it as "solid" solely because that allows us to navigate reality well enough to seek food & shelter & in order to reproduce. Look up Bernardo Kastrup to see explanations that make it clear that the only thing that truly exists is consciousness. Arguably, there is a transcendent field of consciousness (of which we are a subset) which might better fit the description of "God" than anything humans have created. Of course, while there may be some useful truths that religion can access, for the most part, Mr Moller is correct, religion is a very destructive force for humanity.
Cause Hinduism lost all it's charm in Later Vedic period when the upper caste started to rule out every thing and said that the caste in which you are born is job you will do. It became too rigid and you can still see the consequence very now and then there is a violence reported against the lower caste people which it not there fault that they were born in the wrong caste.
I like the Early Vedic where every one was so chill do whatever you want mindset but that happens to every religion the priest always tend to become greedy and try to have as much power a possible on others
Hinduism, unlike Christianity and Islam, is a private treasure, not to be imposed on others. There is no proselytization. Actually for those who know it - it is not a religion. Religion is an English word, not suited at all for Sanskrit word Dharma for Hinduism. Even an atheist can be called a Hindu. I challenge you to study it before denouncing it just by carelessly lumping it with all 'religions'.
If he is advocating for 'religious' belief to be held only as a private matter, wouldn’t this very TEDTalk go against this? Atheism is a worldview conviction on the existence of the supernatural. Could no atheist freely express his atheistic conviction in public? What might be the implications of living in such a world? Alternately, he might be suggesting that yes, atheistic views should be acceptable to discuss publicly because it is not a religion, but ideas dubbed 'religious' because of their affirmation of the supernatural should be kept as a private matter, out of the public discourse. If that is the case, what makes this one worldview exceptional above the worldview of others? While it would be quite wonderful for anyone who agrees with the view, it would take away the voice of any dissenting opinion.. and ultimately be a return to a ‘dark age’ of sorts, the only difference would be which party is in power and which is silenced.
Religion became the Scapegoat for all human issues of power, corruption, ego, and vice. Sounds more like less of a lecture and more of a prejudice rant. Combine all problems in the world and name it religion- case solved by the speaker!
I once read an article about the distinction between a religion/ cult. The writer of that article underscored the obvious element of the CULT that might distinguish it from a religion. It has to have a CHARASMATIC LEADER . He also noticed that both Christianity and Buddhism have a charismatic leader that these two religions are named after. He also added that Islam that has no name Of the leader in the name of the religion was called ORIGINALLY Muhammadism. But is that true about Islam. I have always thought that Muhammedinism is ENGLISH TERM invented by the British during colonial time.
One thing I would like answer, why jas there always been gods or a god, what ever form taken there is account of a god being worshipped in the most basic to the most advanced civilisations. Can someone explain this?
I think religiosity (respective the human tendency to believe in supernatural stuff) is a product of evolution. This would 1) explain why almost all human cultures we know of developed some kind of religious tradition and 2) explain why these religious traditions are as different and incompatible as they are. If there were a real god, or real gods, why would geography decide in which god one believes? And why would there be so much disagreement among believers in the same god(s)? (= so many different Islamic traditions, so many different Christian denominations etc.)
Yes there has always been a god cause it reassures us that the person who is doing wrong to us would be punished by the God cause the person itself does not have that power. It our fear that there will be a afterlife or something where they will be awarded. God is also hope for hopeless people who have no one to turn to. The countries which have high number of Atheists are rich have safety, better laws to protect people . When people feel protected they do not need God anymore. _SIMPLE AS THAT_ Get it.
A point concerning Israel: A reason why it exists is that they are getting considered as Jews not only that they consider themselves Jews in the first place.
Actually it is true. It started about 5years ago and is still going on. I went to talk about it at a Buddhist temple. I forget the region but u can look it up. The difference is, this is the 1st time in Known history. Other religions have always been.
"i am an atheist and there is three reason for that" LOL every atheist have different reasons for being an atheist bcoz there is nothing like atheism on logical basis
We are all born Atheists Even religious people are Atheists when it is another religion - except for religions like Hinduism that preaches respect for all - only Hindus are the True Theists
I think both in western Europe and the America it is dangerous to attend places of worship if you are not white protestant or White CATHOLIC at least at the COMING 100 years and if you are an OBSERVANT and you love to attend go to places of worship that are reformed and make sure to connect to the meaning of the GOSPEL.
The first two minutes convinced me that I wasn't going to learn anything from this rude guy, and that I could save sixteen minutes by looking fo another TED video to watch.
For me it is hard to see why anyone would convert from one religious belif to another. What are reasons for that. I mean, you rarely see atheist become religious.
Births, deaths and marriages require rituals. Religion does ritual very well. However, the power of the priests has decreased dramatically. Personally, I believe in God, how else to explain the universe and everything in it down to nano size particles.
@Ifat H It is true. People are pressured into religion. People are given a choice between a religion or death. People are killed, or fired from jobs, driven from towns, shunned from family and "friends" for leaving a religion.
Mohammed Ibrahim. He forces nothing on anyone. He clearly states his wish for religion to naturally fade away. With no pressure, no outlawing, no shunning. Any has to choose to hear him by tuning into his talk, and can easily tune out at any time. Go watch a cat video, or a religious video. He won't mind.
@@crobeastness Do you have a source for that? As far as I know Socrates talked about logos and a divine trait _within_ humans, the Socratic method is designed to raise the Daimonion, the inner voice of a person. But Socrates did not believe in any deity above nature or humans, if I'm wrong please send a link.
There's no such thing as religious wars in the past or present. It is always about land and resources.....oil, land, in the middle east now and imperialism in the past and currently disguised.
As a person who left organized religion, his snarkyness and condescension is insufferable and puts me off. Hes not convincing most people by talking like that
It’s not secluded to religion if everyone was an atheist we would have peace, if we were all Christian we would have peace, if we were all Muslim we would have peace. It’s not based on religion why we can’t have peace is different values so you can’t say they are reason we’re not working together it’s because we make seclusion.
I listened even tho I wanted to 🤮🤮🤮 He forgot what atheist USSR, did or communist China did with its social engineering and one child policy and what France did in North Africa and that’s just pointing out 3 athiest nations 🙄
Thats like saying "metal is bad, because if there was no metal there would be no swords. so the absence of metal results in more peace.. lol!" The problem isnt God, it is religion. But also the Bible speaks of a time like this
You are, as we all have been born, as a Groovist. You have the same biology & instincts, of us all! The power of music is known & proven! Our planet (at least us populace) needs desperately, this miraculous unifying music, that technology allowed to go global!! Groovism provides the web site for The One (soon to go global 24/7)!
If your going to highlight the bad of religion you have to highlight to good. Now you mention all the good of atheism but what about those who used science to back up their agreement with american chattel slavery? Now if we talk about that then atheism isn't that great is it!
Leviticus 25:44-46 ESV As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
I like how he tries to justify atheism good by telling only the wrong things about some religions and those things too somehow wrong.... I can only tell about Hinduism... He mentioned that Hinduism is about being in the same hierarchial position from birth... Actually, In reality, Hinduism says that your hierarchy is dependent upon your karma's (just like Reddit)... The things you do define your position ins society.... For example if you study good, behave good teach others good things you become a Brahmana... Some people say it's from birth... But actually it's decided from your karma's
@@Urfman i do not know if u read history good and your just aiming to hit christianty as all freemason do but christianity is about love and sacrifice for other in the name of jesus if someone cannot accept this then it is his choice
Jesus did not like religion. He did not like religious leaders making strict rules on the masses when they missed the mark of what really saves you. Traditions of men will not cut it. However, here is a scripture: Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Religionen haben mir immer gelehrt dass wir wie ein Mensch dieser Religionen nicht verstehen konnte, wir haben keine Ahnung wer er ist wer dass Recht auf bestehen hatte und am letzte denn vielleicht, warum müssen wir diesen Geschichten verstehen wann wir es niemals verstehen konnte? Es ist wie ein Mensch sagte: wir können es niemals verstehen aber wir sollen es folgen eigentlich wie die große Lüge
One day, the world will understand the foolishness of religious beliefs. Studying about the universe and using mathematics to translate the mysteries it hold, will help us to unravel the mysteries that led to the creation of religions. Greetings from an atheist and an aspiring scientist from Kerala. Hope you are doing well.
Yeah, but Bruno considered the Bible and other religious books, the concept of religion revealed, the prophecies, and everything about the abrhamic faith silly and sensless. I don't kidding, I read a book about his life and is works
He picks easy targets and make many misrepresentations; glib and shallow. Not a great lecturer, not a great standup comic. He's riding an atheism trend. TED talks have become uneven.
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As an atheist, I agree with him. But he needs to tone down the snark. You don't convince people by sounding condescending.
I consider myself an open-minded believer. I believe atheists have good reasons for not believing, and I dont in any way think it's immoral. But even I couldn't help but feel a bit offended by his words.
we dont convince people by delivery of message, we show you scientific facts and sound logic , we disregard religious stupidity, and we dont care on how we deliver it, either you convince yourself and join us now or join us eventually.
Why are we even having to convince adults, in this day and age, that magic, and wizards in the sky don't exist? Condescending or not, it's a debate we shouldn't still be having.
But he is saying yoga in Buddhism but Buddhism and yoga are the part of Hinduism
@Margaret Yankson no she isnt
You can tell by hes condesending tone that hes just trying to prove to hemself that hes right and that hes uncertain even of hes own claims, he doesin't speak with confidence. I whould love to debate him.
The only reason why religion is not considered to be a psychosis is: still too many are into this disease.(Richard Dawkins)
Phillip you are brilliant, brother.
Don’t feel offended, I’m German and that’s many people talk there - they are very direct, sometimes even blunt - they don’t “sugar coat” anything. But that’s a good thing, I think!
I like how he is willing to highlight the most terrible things about organized religions and when it comes to the Greeks he conveniently ignores the most horrible things.
Sometimes, there is a tendency to judge the morality of dated or ancient cultures with our local cultural norm in our place and time. That norm over the eons evolves, sometimes rapidly. What is it that makes us think our local culture, especially today's politically-correct-on steroids or ultra-religious cultures--pick your favorite--is "correct?" (I also need to know what ancient Greek habit offends you before agreeing or disagreeing.)
And he is saying yoga in Buddhism well yoga and Buddhism both are the part of Hinduism.
@@dev_peace_soul po
At the end of the day religion is a joke. Time to wake up.
@@Catman7442 If you were a member of any nation in the way of their world domination, you might think the Greeks a fairly uncouth bunch. Alexander the Great and his campaign comes to mind.
Enslavement and torture of women and boys too young to be soldiers during their campaign across the globe. What would that make the cutoff age for young boys, 12? Every male old enough to be a soldier was subjected to wholesale slaughter.
The conflict in the Middle East isn’t just due to religion. There’s many factors such as corruption poverty and oil
Failed people - We all want the easy good life - but we know that making money is hard, but there are easier ways right? Supporters of Putin are living the easy good life
In Corrupt countries, communist countries - those who have good contacts live the easy good life
Such a life is not Earned, it is Given - and it is the far easier way & it appeals to the weak, the coward
Guess how you get Heaven? You must grovel to the right boss, it cannot be Earned
That is why Heaven is so appealing to such people & why they kill and abuse in the name of religion
A lot of corruption and poverty directly result from Islam hindering development in the Middle East.
It's almost like... Corrupt leaders USE religion to justify wars!!! Whoa! Maybe condescending atheists like this tone deaf speaker will one day open their eyes and stop blaming religion for standard human behaviors.
Until now I viewed Ted Talks as quality talks.
U havent viewed very many, but you were probably only allowed to value one book as truth growing up. Good luck on healing from your religous trauma. Btw. Some of the best TED talks are the ones that TED bans and censors.
I think the problem is not necessarily religion but monotheism. I see nothing wrong with having personal spiritual beliefs that fall outside of logic or science. The problem is dogma that let's people control, demonize, or dehumanize others for non-belief. Nobody gets upset that someone might like chocolate over vanilla but if you prefer one set of spiritual beliefs over another that somehow can justify anything from enslavement to genocide.
That's exactly what he says: religion as a private matter, without state support and promotion by laws.
But religion is still harmful because if you believe in something without and good evidence or reason, you can be talked into believing other things for no good reason. This is why we have cults, conspiracy theorists and flat earthers. It would be much better to teach children to think critically.
Grew up a Catholic and I love individuals who speak like this. It’s impossible for me to be insulted on an individual speaking about religion. It’s like any other anthropological or clinical topic.
Three questions:
By his logic, shouldn’t atheism & secularism also therefore be private?
Is treating people with contempt what we should expect when atheism rules?
Please explain the consequences of the Soviet Union and Nazism (one atheist and one opposed to Judaism and Christianity)?
His understanding of psychology is poor or very much based on bias-confirmation. Psychology shows that people are born with a natural belief in the supernatural. Atheism is actually taught.
His whole talk was based on subjective feelings. There was no rational discussion on religion at all. His understanding of history and philosophy is poor too.
It is the worst TED speech I have seen. Normally the worst TED speeches usually have some factual evidence to support their subjective position.
Someone's beliefs and feeling are hurt. Maybe wake up
@@RedSquirrelHunter No
Psychologists are moving to a consensus on this. It seems you should wake up.
@@iain5615 Keep living a life full of delusions. Thats on you
@@RedSquirrelHunter so psychologists are living in delusion? Or is it you? I would go with the psychologists having a better understanding and being less delusional, thank you.
I have been brought up in a religious family. Since my childhood, I have questioned the existence of God, ghosts or anything supernatural.
No one taught me not to believe in God but everyone tried to indoctrinate me with fake beliefs. I am lucky, I can still think by myself and see what's right, what's fake.
I can't trust you unless you show me the studies psychologists did to show that people are born with a natural belief. You are most certainly wrong.
If a child is brought up in isolation from all religions, there is no way he/she will have the slightest perception of the existence of God. You can look at animals, they aren't aware of any God. You can tell that simply by examining their movements and behaviour.
THANK YOU SO MUCH PHILIPP MÖLLER
THIS VIDEO MISSES 1.35 BILLION VIEWS
AND A TRANSLATION IN EVERY OTHER LANGUAGE
I watch TedTalks for more than 10 years but this one is the most important for humanity i think.
Danke für deine Arbeit Phil
Repost:
@Lyrics: "everyone is free to believe in what he wants"
> *Wrong!* (on multiple levels)
A) You can't choose what you believe in. You believe (in) something, because you became convinced of it due to good or bad reasoning.
B) "Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons." [Michael Shermer]
C) "This is why it matters what you believe. Belief informs actions. Actions have consequences."
D) "Attack ideas, not people. (Criticize action, not identity.)"
E) "We should kill bad ideas, before bad ideas kill people." (17:45) [Philipp Möller citing/paraphrasing Michael Schmidt-Salomon]
The German original: "Wir müssen falsche Ideen sterben lassen, bevor Menschen für falsche Ideen sterben." My translation: We have to let die false ideas, before people die for false ideas.
MfG, Egooist
When he starts saying how the world would look like without any religion it felt so peaceful. Love the speech
It's also completely misguided. Look at the countries that implemented state atheism.
China, Cambodia, the Soviet union, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam are all shining examples of state atheism. Yes, very peaceful. Just don't disagree with the government or you'll be executed. Stop blaming religion for the evils of power hungry humans. Atheists need to grow up and smell reality.
Clever title to get people of faith to listen to you berate them and attempt to talk them down from their belief systems. What is the "future of religion"? His answer; we just shouldn't have it anymore. And people were losing faith long before we had access to the internet. Your claim that there is a correlation between atheism and access to information seems desperate to me. What's this about Buddhists' genocide against non-Buddhists? Come back when you actually have something to talk about.
Plus, there's a very big problem. Most of the information on internet is secondary and ANYONE with any idea of Information Literacy will tell you that trusting information on internet is not something which one should do.
@@maxpayne3628 : So, does that mean that any information, videos, or preachers and priests giving their view should not be trusted either?
@@anonymousjohnson976 You will have to check the sources. It depends on what the topic is about. And yes, anybody can lie or have wrong information.
It's the truth, all religions and gods are just stories made to control people and make money. Maybe try being a little more openminded.
But its true though. There is no future of any religion. Generation Z is the least religious generation. Atheism has been doubled in gen Z. I think it's time to stop believing in imaginary things and get real. It's time to focus on more important things such as climate change, global peace, human rights, animal rights, science and technology.
That being said, I agree that religions, culture and traditions should be preserved and practised, because they make many people happy.
I don;t think there was an academic value to this talk. It served to preach to the choir or offend and that was about it.
Agree 100%. The earth would be a way better place without any religion. Thank you Phil!
Atheist, thanks. 😃
And how long do you think that You will continue to live in a world without a moral authority?? You speak of which you clearly have zero understanding, like many. You have zero understanding about where our laws came from and want to return to survival of strongest?? You would not last 1 day.
@@djgolfpro why do inteligent beings need a god for a moral authority, i was rised without it and i still have morals, laws and law enforcers are already an authority
@@bigallin4525 yes, morality is written on your heart at birth. The problem comes when that morality is being interpreted or rejected by the individual.
This applies to super intelligent people who believe eugenics is a legitimate practice.
@@djgolfpro Since religions are more and more disapearing, we have more peace and morality then ever before.
By 8 min, he´s a tragic-comedian like the New Atheists. He´s a little unclear about the Greek situation, in which Socrates etc were spiritual philosophers. He´s wrong about the basis of Europe´s good social system, but he is right about reform. "It hasn´t worked for 2000 years....." That´s the problem. From Universities to abolishing slavery, Christian spirituality led the way, and up to the UN by FDR. Moller´s "atheism" is what? It´s secular humanist extremism equating outrage and the irony of hypocrisy with the issue, and his own intolerant anti-religious ideology. In Social Europe it almost seems to work, because social values after WW II were set up strongly. The analysis needs to address individual needs, which corresponds to spirituality, and modernization.
I participated in a 40-person group exercise between atheists and people with a spiritual/religious model of moral ethics.
Several questions were submitted to BOTH; like how important is the preservation of a human life?
The spiritual group answered "Very important because Life is sacred"
The atheist group answered "IT doesn't matter, it's just a life... like any other living species "
Suppose you were having a HEART ATTACK and on the cusp of dying without someone to help, which of the two groups would you prefer to be near you????
I see what you did there but no. 😂
Exactly, the logical end of darwinism is murder
I don't think I would really care, but, if I had to choose, I would probably choose the atheist because I think they would actually help and not just pray for me to get better
@@jennd8935
“Prayer is the medium of Miracles”...A Course in Miracles
Sadly, this ancient proverb fits you to a tee:
We question everything and everyone except our own IGNORANCE..
@@robertm.-certifieddaytrade4939 - I have yet to see prayer save a single person. And what is a Certified Day Trader?
I am an atheist but listening to such an arrogant and cliché-full speech makes me keen on re-evaluating religions, no matter which.
Why?
Yeah please re-evaluate... here and there u will find wisdom (which was taken from the then society and not from a sky daddy) but the rest half is nothing but anti-science, anti-ethical and anti-rational.
He is confident, not arrogant. They are often confused.
Jesii La Atea Still pretty arrogant
When he faces his death, he will probably pray to God to recieve his soul.
Why isnt this guy talking to anybody? Religion has also created many many positive things. Look at universities, hospitals, charities.... almost all of them were created as religious institutions. This guy is cherry picking... this will leave us with a nihilistic world where everything is acceptable and everybody is lonely
Excellent speech, I have been looking for such a great speech for the last 43 years. Philipp Möller! you are perfect. Whatever you told is the Future of this Globe.
I'm an agnostic atheist and I'm quite interested on the topic but I really couldn't keep going after like 4 minutes listening to him. thought it might change, but it didn't seem it would.
he's condescending and too sure of himself.
i just googled “the future of religion” out of pure curiosity. of COURSE there is a ted talk with that exact name lol
same lol, but this talk quite disappointed me, couldn't listen over 4 min of it.
I don't believe someone who doesn't understand religion has the authority to tell people what the future of religion is. It's like me saying I know the future of medical procedures, but I'm not a doctor and don't work in a hospital, but I think I have the right to judge what I don't know or understand.
The religion is not medicine
your comparison legit doesn't make sense lmao
The difference between you and him is he did research
@@keisuke5468 not really. His caricature of religion is laughable.
He is in this topic for over 5 years at that point. Wrote a book that he researched. He does know what he is talking about. U just don't like it.
he is stoping future war
I actually left my religion because of the truth on the internet! He is correct.
Haha, same here.
Maybe you should better reconsider the truth on internet
@James Henry Smith "I LOVE THOR, GOD AND HOW EVEN THE FALSE WONDERS AND FALSE SIGNS TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH OF THOR'S HAMMER"
The internet also believes the earth is flat.
The religious pay the price for the non-religious to thrive. They work the systems that support the freedom of the modern world. Everything adds up at the end of the day, some people just don’t have a choice what side of the equation they are on.
This is a blemish on the TED brand. I can’t see any redeeming features in this small-minded, highly imbalanced rant.
Well he seems very unconfident in his speech more like angry when he says F**** to all clerics. I’m leaving at 2:05
I left at 1:52..... people are so stereotypically predictable...
I could tell he was one of those rude self absorbed athiests before he even opened his mouth..
God would give everyone a chance and freedom of speech no?
This talk was pretty superficial. He kind of treats religion as this sort of affliction that we need to cure, when in reality it is something generated by mankind throughout history and obviously serves a purpose. Being religious mostly makes people feel calmer about themselves and their lives, it gives them a moral foundation and a community, and it gives them a sense of purpose. Religion promotes social cohesion and altruism. It takes us away from obsessing about ourselves and replaces the focus on God. Of course old doctrine is problematic in many ways, but it's unfortunately a kind of inevitability.
There's a reason there's billions of religious people on the planet... And there's a reason that countries that become more atheistic tend to dwindle and stagnate (eg, they stop having kids, amongst other things)
*looking at every country that embraced state atheism
He is not a teacher’s son
Let's be honest middle est conflits are not about relegion.
No conflict ever was fought only about religion but religion had a enormous impact to the conflicts or even was the main reason for almost all conflicts in our history
@@YaBoiFetz not reason, but pretext and justification of the war
Truf
It's been enabled by it fully ..
This sounds like religion to me - Netanyahu: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people, and only it."
The question should be; what would be the nature of such a being as "God" if god actually did exist? Just because humans have imagined a god in their own images doesn't mean there is a lack of something that we might perceive as a deity.
Basic physics; matter is a specialized subset of reality that is produced by the interactions between various energy fields. We see it as "solid" solely because that allows us to navigate reality well enough to seek food & shelter & in order to reproduce. Look up Bernardo Kastrup to see explanations that make it clear that the only thing that truly exists is consciousness. Arguably, there is a transcendent field of consciousness (of which we are a subset) which might better fit the description of "God" than anything humans have created.
Of course, while there may be some useful truths that religion can access, for the most part, Mr Moller is correct, religion is a very destructive force for humanity.
Man created god in his own image and it's interesting that god's beliefs are very similar to man's beliefs
He loves making bold claims without backing them up with any evidence.
Just like religious people. Right?
Yeah, the religion of atheism
Pretentious atheists thinking the human belief in a higher power and higher truth will disappear. Yup, sounds like the future to me lol.
The future with atheism is horrifying and they think it will be like Star Trek
1:42 yes right, and Europe as a continent is falling apart on every side, like never before.
idk, no internet for the last 2000 years
I came here to hear an objective prediction of the future of religion. What I got was a one sided atheistic propaganda. What a shame ted smh. 😐😔😒
@@AdityaMishraOG How's pooping in the river you drink from working out for you?
Why is it necessary to speak like a fundamentalist? Makes me suspicious. 🤔
I'm a proud Muslim
You have our sympathy.
@@misterb1915 we don't need that but thanks.
I'm ok without god and with my name being arabic.
Bluetooth speaker for Imams is a really good idea. So we could sleep in Istanbul peacefully
What do you mean?
@@alimranahmed4116 They don't wanna hear azan on loudspeakers
He really does give atheism, which can have credible points, a bad name. What a ridiculous mashup of opinionated word salad.
Why do people always link Hinduism with caste?
Cause Hinduism lost all it's charm in Later Vedic period when the upper caste started to rule out every thing and said that the caste in which you are born is job you will do. It became too rigid and you can still see the consequence very now and then there is a violence reported against the lower caste people which it not there fault that they were born in the wrong caste.
I like the Early Vedic where every one was so chill do whatever you want mindset but that happens to every religion the priest always tend to become greedy and try to have as much power a possible on others
You have a point
Hinduism, unlike Christianity and Islam, is a private treasure, not to be imposed on others. There is no proselytization. Actually for those who know it - it is not a religion. Religion is an English word, not suited at all for Sanskrit word Dharma for Hinduism. Even an atheist can be called a Hindu. I challenge you to study it before denouncing it just by carelessly lumping it with all 'religions'.
If he is advocating for 'religious' belief to be held only as a private matter, wouldn’t this very TEDTalk go against this? Atheism is a worldview conviction on the existence of the supernatural. Could no atheist freely express his atheistic conviction in public? What might be the implications of living in such a world?
Alternately, he might be suggesting that yes, atheistic views should be acceptable to discuss publicly because it is not a religion, but ideas dubbed 'religious' because of their affirmation of the supernatural should be kept as a private matter, out of the public discourse. If that is the case, what makes this one worldview exceptional above the worldview of others? While it would be quite wonderful for anyone who agrees with the view, it would take away the voice of any dissenting opinion.. and ultimately be a return to a ‘dark age’ of sorts, the only difference would be which party is in power and which is silenced.
Religion became the Scapegoat for all human issues of power, corruption, ego, and vice. Sounds more like less of a lecture and more of a prejudice rant.
Combine all problems in the world and name it religion- case solved by the speaker!
I once read an article about the distinction between a religion/ cult.
The writer of that article underscored the obvious element of the CULT that might distinguish it from a religion. It has to have
a CHARASMATIC LEADER . He also noticed that both Christianity and Buddhism have a charismatic leader that these two religions are named after.
He also added that Islam that has no name
Of the leader in the name of the religion was called ORIGINALLY Muhammadism.
But is that true about Islam. I have always thought that Muhammedinism is ENGLISH TERM invented by the British during colonial time.
@James Henry Smith "I LOVE THOR, GOD AND HOW EVEN THE FALSE WONDERS AND FALSE SIGNS TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH OF THOR'S HAMMER"
I would almost say "Amen brother "
There are now 2 billion muslim
2 billion christian
1 Billion hundisum
And other 😂😂😂 religion will not end
Are you a muslim?
All religions have ended. He also didn't say religion will end. But institutional religion should.
One thing I would like answer, why jas there always been gods or a god, what ever form taken there is account of a god being worshipped in the most basic to the most advanced civilisations.
Can someone explain this?
I think religiosity (respective the human tendency to believe in supernatural stuff) is a product of evolution. This would 1) explain why almost all human cultures we know of developed some kind of religious tradition and 2) explain why these religious traditions are as different and incompatible as they are.
If there were a real god, or real gods, why would geography decide in which god one believes?
And why would there be so much disagreement among believers in the same god(s)? (= so many different Islamic traditions, so many different Christian denominations etc.)
Yes there has always been a god cause it reassures us that the person who is doing wrong to us would be punished by the God cause the person itself does not have that power. It our fear that there will be a afterlife or something where they will be awarded. God is also hope for hopeless people who have no one to turn to. The countries which have high number of Atheists are rich have safety, better laws to protect people . When people feel protected they do not need God anymore. _SIMPLE AS THAT_ Get it.
A point concerning Israel: A reason why it exists is that they are getting considered as Jews not only that they consider themselves Jews in the first place.
Though quite entertaining, not very well informed. Sad.
This guy says Buddhist have committed genocide against non-Buddhists; amongst other things that don't make sense.
Actually it is true. It started about 5years ago and is still going on. I went to talk about it at a Buddhist temple. I forget the region but u can look it up. The difference is, this is the 1st time in Known history. Other religions have always been.
Rohingya crisis
"i am an atheist and there is three reason for that" LOL every atheist have different reasons for being an atheist bcoz there is nothing like atheism on logical basis
We are all born Atheists
Even religious people are Atheists when it is another religion - except for religions like Hinduism that preaches respect for all - only Hindus are the True Theists
@@ramaraksha01 lol
@@ramaraksha01 im a not a hindu and im an athiest, I don't think you Hindus have any right to decide what is true or not
@@randombully3798 I'm a Hindu and I agree. No one has that right.
Hinduism is just as ridiculous as any other religion.
Hi young man
What about the
Zarostarian religion
You forgotten about it !
Even Nietzsche talking about
Zarrostarian religion
And he loves it
Totally agree. Religion is involved in almost every war/conflict nowadays
So true! Thank you Phil and the Giordano Bruno Foundation!
I think both in western Europe and the America it is dangerous to attend places of worship if you are not white protestant or
White CATHOLIC at least at the COMING 100 years and if you are an OBSERVANT and you love to attend go to places of worship that are reformed and make sure to connect to the meaning of the GOSPEL.
The first two minutes convinced me that I wasn't going to learn anything from this rude guy, and that I could save sixteen minutes by looking fo another TED video to watch.
For me it is hard to see why anyone would convert from one religious belif to another.
What are reasons for that. I mean, you rarely see atheist become religious.
Great talk! Couldn't agree more.
We are with you.
Births, deaths and marriages require rituals. Religion does ritual very well. However, the power of the priests has decreased dramatically. Personally, I believe in God, how else to explain the universe and everything in it down to nano size particles.
.20 *I have done research yesterday .......*
Beer is his religion.
Seems this guy wants to force his opinion on others.Down their throat.
Many blessings on your journey to learn to love urself and heal from your religious trauma.
@Ifat H It is true. People are pressured into religion. People are given a choice between a religion or death. People are killed, or fired from jobs, driven from towns, shunned from family and "friends" for leaving a religion.
Mohammed Ibrahim. He forces nothing on anyone. He clearly states his wish for religion to naturally fade away. With no pressure, no outlawing, no shunning. Any has to choose to hear him by tuning into his talk, and can easily tune out at any time. Go watch a cat video, or a religious video. He won't mind.
Nonsense talk! He probably may have studied in a school that Christianity helped to set up...say, Cambridge, Oxford etc
Groovism is based on facts.... a new found religion!!!
He sounds douchy at the beginning. 😅
wow what a nuanced and non-reductive argument
Possible to Be Groovist independently, physically or virtually!!
Very nice Phil. 😉 Should we use humankind instead of mankind? Just saying. Power to the people!
Did athletic notions bring prosperity peace and love to mankind before even religion invented when Roman went after Greeks ?
next century no religion
This video would laugh Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, St. Thomas Aquinas, Samek Lodovici, Plotinus, St. Augustine, Pascal, Descartes
Sokrates would laugh about St. Thomas Aquinas for a start
@@sophonax661 Socrates did believe in God, just not the polytheistic gods of the Greeks at the time
@@crobeastness
Do you have a source for that?
As far as I know Socrates talked about logos and a divine trait _within_ humans, the Socratic method is designed to raise the Daimonion, the inner voice of a person. But Socrates did not believe in any deity above nature or humans, if I'm wrong please send a link.
i think religion is not the problem but the people who are misinterpreting them
There's no such thing as religious wars in the past or present. It is always about land and resources.....oil, land, in the middle east now and imperialism in the past and currently disguised.
This should be played on loop until this madness is over. god is pretend.
As a person who left organized religion, his snarkyness and condescension is insufferable and puts me off. Hes not convincing most people by talking like that
It’s not secluded to religion if everyone was an atheist we would have peace, if we were all Christian we would have peace, if we were all Muslim we would have peace. It’s not based on religion why we can’t have peace is different values so you can’t say they are reason we’re not working together it’s because we make seclusion.
I listened even tho I wanted to 🤮🤮🤮
He forgot what atheist USSR, did or communist China did with its social engineering and one child policy and what France did in North Africa and that’s just pointing out 3 athiest nations 🙄
U forgot that he talks about humanism. I am also very sure that UDSSR and china have religious institutions that have a saying.
Thats like saying "metal is bad, because if there was no metal there would be no swords. so the absence of metal results in more peace.. lol!" The problem isnt God, it is religion. But also the Bible speaks of a time like this
You are, as we all have been born, as a Groovist. You have the same biology & instincts, of us all! The power of music is known & proven! Our planet (at least us populace) needs desperately, this miraculous unifying music, that technology allowed to go global!! Groovism provides the web site for The One (soon to go global 24/7)!
If your going to highlight the bad of religion you have to highlight to good. Now you mention all the good of atheism but what about those who used science to back up their agreement with american chattel slavery? Now if we talk about that then atheism isn't that great is it!
Leviticus 25:44-46 ESV
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
You might want to check out recent studies that have found a consistent brain location triggering desire for connection.
I like how he tries to justify atheism good by telling only the wrong things about some religions and those things too somehow wrong....
I can only tell about Hinduism...
He mentioned that Hinduism is about being in the same hierarchial position from birth...
Actually, In reality, Hinduism says that your hierarchy is dependent upon your karma's (just like Reddit)... The things you do define your position ins society....
For example if you study good, behave good teach others good things you become a Brahmana...
Some people say it's from birth... But actually it's decided from your karma's
Lol you literally proved his point
African culter is a matriarch. The women and children live together. The husband visits them
Problems need action, not prayers!
The absence of music is unacceptable!!
honestly i did not understand why you did not accept christianity as religion of love ?
because it isn't
It should be, but it just isn't.
Watch zeitgeist
Because history says otherwise
@@Urfman i do not know if u read history good and your just aiming to hit christianty as all freemason do but christianity is about love and sacrifice for other in the name of jesus if someone cannot accept this then it is his choice
Jesus did not like religion. He did not like religious leaders making strict rules on the masses when they missed the mark of what really saves you. Traditions of men will not cut it. However, here is a scripture:
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Religionen haben mir immer gelehrt dass wir wie ein Mensch dieser Religionen nicht verstehen konnte, wir haben keine Ahnung wer er ist wer dass Recht auf bestehen hatte und am letzte denn vielleicht, warum müssen wir diesen Geschichten verstehen wann wir es niemals verstehen konnte? Es ist wie ein Mensch sagte: wir können es niemals verstehen aber wir sollen es folgen eigentlich wie die große Lüge
Greetings from an atheist from kerala, india
Here we have great atheist and freethinking movement in kerala
We use social media as great tool
One day, the world will understand the foolishness of religious beliefs. Studying about the universe and using mathematics to translate the mysteries it hold, will help us to unravel the mysteries that led to the creation of religions. Greetings from an atheist and an aspiring scientist from Kerala. Hope you are doing well.
@@anithap9136 hi essence global, nuronz എന്നീ പേരുകളിൽ ഫ്രീതിങ്കിങ് പ്രൊമോട്ട് ചെയുന്ന youtube channels undu മലയാളത്തിൽ കാണാറുണ്ടോ
@@Jon_Snow212 കാണാറുണ്ട്.
As a Hindu, I have a lot of respect for freethinkers, but I feel that my beliefs are compatible with modern scientific discoveries.
He works for Giordano Bruno foundation, but Bruno believed in God. A pantheistic one, but one.
Yeah, but Bruno considered the Bible and other religious books, the concept of religion revealed, the prophecies, and everything about the abrhamic faith silly and sensless. I don't kidding, I read a book about his life and is works
so that is how reddit would be if it were a person
He picks easy targets and make many misrepresentations; glib and shallow. Not a great lecturer, not a great standup comic. He's riding an atheism trend. TED talks have become uneven.
I thought he was quite good and informative.
since nobody teaches me, i'm atheist-so you wanna call an entire university folks came to your house? i'm not a historian- that's obvious