SOUNDPROOFING THE TITAN THICKNESS PLANER - FAIL, but maybe still possible?
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2022
- My Titan Thickness Planer is loud, they all are, but when I say loud I mean ear blisteringly bonkers loud. Changing the blades can help, but putting sound deadening material inside must help things right?
Granted, this attempt was a fail, but still a worthwhile video I think because the theory is sound I reckon.
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The easiest way to reduce noise from this machine is buy some ear defenders and if the neighbours complain, buy them some ear defenders too.
The open throat of the machine will act like a megaphone. Sound proofing the inside will never work. At least the top is flat now!!
Loving these videos
You are of course correct about the open throat, but I’m still convinced that if you can reduce the reverb it will make a difference. Granted probably not a lot, but even reducing the piercing frequencies would be good.
Just a little warning here. I have a Scheppach 10" thicknesser/planer and this summer I was using it in an old barn where the air temperature was almost 40 degrees C. Admittedly, we were cutting slightly damp applewood and my enthusiastic helper was pulling hard on the stock to help it through the machine. Everything was fine and we finished the job so I trundled the thing back into its storage spot in the workshop. A couple of weeks ago I took the machine back out, to thickness a piece of softwood, and it wouldn't turn on. It just kept tripping and I suspected that we had some shavings jamming up the works. I took the thing apart, just as you have done, and could find nothing until I unbolted it from the table/trolley. The motor had completely melted! the case was distorted and upon removal of the end plate I could see that the coils on the stator were fused to the field coils with some kind of evil molten resin. My machine cost about three times what yours did and, apart from being two inches wider, appears to be identical in every respect. (I have seen a replacement motor for mine listed at £289 so I will be purchasing a complete Titan machine in future). It's interesting to note that both machines are fitted with the same 1500W motor despite the extra load imposed by the wider stock. I shall be cutting some extra air holes in the surface of my table next time, to afford some extra cooling for the motor. So be warned and don't lag the motor with foam in an attempt to quieten it. Maybe leave it running for a minute or two after passing a workpiece through it too!
Sounds like you had a lucky escape! To be honest I’ve realised I don’t need the jointer aspect as that can all be done on the table saw.
I’d like to sell my Titan and get a lunchbox thicknesser instead, but can’t afford it currently
@@WoodworkJourney Mzy I add. The bottom panel has many holes cut into it for motor cooling I guess. Having the machine sitting on top of the work surface without the feet might block airflow.
Thanks for the video, I think noise dampening is quite a complex subject, I used some heavy bitumen on the cover of my pillar drill, it worked a treat, tried the same trick on my bench top band saw and it made no difference. My only suggestion is run the thing screwed into a concrete floor measure the noise, if it is quieter, than on your bench, you need to increase the weight of the benchtop, I wouldn't be surprised if the benchtop vibrating is causing a fair bit of the noise. At the end of the day, budget tools don't pay attention to the things that reduce noise, such as balanced parts, and dense materials, also if you ever change the motor a drushless one will help. :-)
Yep that certainly makes sense 👍
Failures are always educational. Reminds me of an old American comedy show called "Get Smart". It was a spy spoof show. The main character, Max Smart, would need to have a secret conversation in the office with his boss. From the ceiling would descend "The Cone of Silence". It didn't work either! In the meantime, use ear protection! Good luck.
Completely agree about learning from failure, I’ve learned A LOT over the last six months lol
You never know until you try. Made me smile anyway so thanks
Thanks fella, glad it’s brought a smile 😊
Enjoyed the video lol it was worth a look inside to see how it works. Tony
Thanks Tony 😊
i think some of the problem is like the problem with routers. i have a CNC machine. If I use a router for the cutter, you can't hear yourself think, but if I use my 1KW spindle I can whisper over it and still be heard.
Well that was a bit of fun for a whole lot of nowt! 😂 But you never know till you try. You’re right about failure though, it’s always worth it for the learning and as such is worth celebrating. Did you know Wd-40 is so called, because the original water displacement formula was preceded by 39 failed attempts? Therein lies my point! 🤯
I knew what the WD stood for, but thought the 39 attempts was an old wives tail lol
Some heavy duty button mounts between the machine and table top will isolate a lot of noise also your base table is acting like a loudspeaker try some high density cavity foam etc. Personally I would leave that bottom panel off and eliminate that source of noise. Regards Chris
😆 good on ya mate 👏
I am not expert in such matters but much of the noise comes from the motor. Your machine is effectively sitting on a sound board. Acoustic de-coupling mounts are available via eBay. I have s similar problem with s milling machine and am going to mount it on de-coupling mounts. These are rubber blocks with s female steel thread encapsulated in the tubber at each end. Bolt through the bench from underneath and down into the mounts from the machine. Wood wool under the deck will also help as would a thicker top. Car accessory shops sell a felt for the internals of car doors and this will help to stop so much reflected noise in the casings. The foam does not work because it still prevents a smooth surface to reflect rather than an irregular surface to disrupt sound.
I repeat that I am no expert but the above may help. Putting sound deadening material in the base of the machine with the motor may also improve matters.
It's just the design of the motor, my tabletop saw is just as noisy, but you can get bigger saws whisper quiet. Cheap, but noisy.
If you don't believe that the bench top is s sounding board, think about the difference between strumming an acoustic guitar snd an unplugged electric guitar.
I'm watching your video's and like most blokes I start saying thins like what about doing this or that......which was always your next words,,,strange how great minds think alike
What about adding some rubber bungs inbetween the jointer and the table, and a giant rubber band around the inside part of the case, my thought process is letts limit any metal to meatl contact and see if it dampends any noise. That what people do on subarines.
A great video, we have all now leant something. I love your attitude, it's inspiring.
On the days when your body doesn't want to let you play in the workshop, are you able to use an electric device and read E-books?
Hi Nathan, thanks! I like to show my thought process because you only learn by doing, and I have no idea what I’m doing most of the time lol
Nice idea about the rubber band, I could be wrong but I don’t think it would help - when I finally finish this series I’ve got a bunch of other videos to film so I may return to it at some point.
E-books aren’t always something I can do, the brain fog means that I can read the same paragraph a bunch of times and just not take in any of the info.
I try to watch RUclips to see if anything sticks, or just lay down, close my eyes, and think about what I’d like to build, videos, solutions, etc etc.
The forced relaxation on bad days can still be productive thankfully 😊
I have severe rheumatoid arthritis in 90-95% of my body and couple of strokes my hands turn outwards 90 degrees which I have trouble holding anything
Sorry to hear about the challenges, I hope you’re finding ways around things and overcoming some of them
Hi, may I suggest that you get some anti drum self adhesive panels that is used in the car trade, they use it on the inside of doors bonnet and boot lids and it is very effective. it is not very thick but very dense and waterproof. Not sure of the price but should not be too expensive.
Just an observation on the planer, I noticed that the large plastic geat did not appear on the video to be running true and was running quite q long way out of true?
Yeah I think I mentioned the car stuff in the video. That plastic sprocket is a bit all over the place, but I guess that’s what you get with a budget machine
@@WoodworkJourney I reckon the plastic gear has a centre hole that is not true to the teeth so maybe place the gear flat on the pillar drill table ensuring it sits flat then re bore the hole for the shaft and put a bush in to bring the bore back to size? You will figure a way to sec is re the new bush in place
Hi I have snapped the belt on my plainer same as urs . Iam not sure where to get a replacement from have you it’s the drive belt
I don’t I’m afraid. Maybe measure it and look on Amazon?
Sorry Dean, but ear defenders or noise reducing headphones playing Joe Satriani is the only answer ! 😈🤘
You’re absolutely right buddy! 😊
expanding foam might do something.. maybe once it's set the chain and gears can cut its own path out 🤣
LOL!
You might have to change the bearings and could you look at a possible new motor
Still working at the moment 😊
Richard is dead right.!! In car engines they say that there’s no substitute for cubes(capacity) - in machine tools it is MASS, AND GOOD ENGINEERING, induction motors are super quiet, high speed cutters - not so much, especially when they are cutting, I think on these machines there is room to improve it with better fasteners and a bit of fine tuning on very careful assembley but you are just too limited with design and materials, also you are running it in an echo chamber..!!! What’s that other phrase silk purse and a sow’s ear..!! I have a similar machine and use it with ear defenders in daylight hours only..!!! You could possibly run a long drive belt to an underslung induction motor and change the chain driven sprockets to toothed belt pulleys but then you’re just as well buying something better in the 1st place, I’d also be pulling those stick rubber pads out before they come loose and do some real damage, good effort all the same.😁💪🏻
Good try anyway
It was worth a bash 😊