Improving This Planer with YOUR Help!
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- We're back in the shop today and finding more ways we can improve the space with organization. I've always had issues with using my planer and it sounds like a lot of others do as well. So I built this planer cart with dust collection to make it SO much easier.
Plans for this build will be available on our website soon!
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The Linus comment threw me for a loop. Not the crossover I would expect but one I'm definitely here for. They DO have a lot of stuff to build in their new lab building...
haha I loved the Linus reference too!
Yup! was eating lunch and damn near covered my monitor in chicken salad...
Maybe they can start a new channel.."i like to drop stuff"
Make this collab happen!
As an IT guy first and not even close to a woodworker at all, just someone who likes tools and watching people be creative - I am also here for it.
Now, if say Bob, John Malecki, Johny Builds, etc went visiting the shop to collab on creating stuff. That would be awesome. But the crossover of woodworking and tech youtubers may not be as frequent.
Luckily bob's done a few things with Rob Scallon from my other side hobby, music :)
I really like this style of editing where the like bloopers after included in the actual video.
Makes it feel more like a group of friends just hanging in the shop building stuff!
We're a pretty fun group
Cool idea! I really like the subtle design in the paint. Helps break up the color a bit. Also, great idea to have the dust collection separate from a dedicated system. That's really nice for those of us who don't have dedicated systems.
"meighan made me paint it" - that's awesome
I love how you took the opportunity to fix issues that other people had as well !
Me waiting for the plans patiently, impatient. Already have my brother in law with a 3D printer looking into printing the coupler. This has given me the solution to the problems I have with this planer in my little basement shop! Thank you!
I'll let you know when they're ready 😉
I just finished building a pretty close version of this cabinet, and instead of printing a coupling, I just used a piece of the 4" dust collection hose to hold the 90 degree elbow to the chip fan shroud. Works like a charm!
I made a stand for this planer based on a Rockler free Dust Separator cabinet plan. I use a shop vacuum (130 CFM) to pull the chips and dust thru the unit. It has a large drawer for chips and a smaller secondary drawer for finer particles. Some dust is collected by the vacuum but not much. I when the large drawer is full the smaller drawer is only a quarter ful or so. I also use the casters you used for your project for a lathe stand and a heavy workbench. Keep the video's coming.
Heavy tools are the worst! I've picked up a couple of ideas for my shop already 😉
Instead of those rollers for the out feed supports, you can just adjust the height of the whole thing to make the bed level with your table saw and it's out feed table. Then you don't have to pull out the portable supports and you'll have much more stability.
Yep that's what I though initially. I'm gonna remake my workshop one day (not so far) and i'm planning to have all worksurfaces same level to get more infeed/outfeed as needed. I saw it on some other youtubers, and found it really, really forward looking.
I will be making this for my planer. Thanks ILTMS!
You can also do what I did to my Dewalt planer, and that is replace the knife cutter head with a helical cutter head. It's definitely worth it in terms of dust collection because it makes much smaller chips and it does make a nice finish on your boards.
The one major flaw I know of on this planer is the amount of horsepower it has. Figure out a way to improve that if you can
Awesome! I am starting to use my DeWalt surface planer, and was running into similar problems with dust collection and leveling the infeed/outfeed tables. Brilliant fixes - I'll try them both with my setup. Thanks a million!!
So is the next video you adding an arduino powered "bin full" sensor that triggers a light on the outside?
not a bad idea
I've seen that on the Oneida dust collectors, but for those of us who arent able to have one, that'd be a cool project that would DEF be useful!
Do that for all the bins, connect those lights to a center panel you place at say, main lights witch so at a glance you can see if anything is full/needs replacing
@@keepingjohnbusy BRILLIANT!
The other big issue with the 735 is it eats blades. It's expensive, but the Shelix really helped there, and also made it a bit quieter. Well worth it if you plan to keep the planer.
I really appreciate the synching of the plop with the music at 7:57! Chefs kiss for the editing! :)
I found a t shirt makes a great filter for the top of the trash can. Stretch the bottom of the shirt to fit the top of the can, zip tie the hose into a sleeve, and zip tie the other sleeve and neck shut. Chips go in the can and the air is filtered through the shirt. Not HEPA grade, but collects the mess.
Thanks to you I tried your idea and it works perfectly! I used an old T-shirt and secured it with a cargo strap, then I used zip ties to secure the sleeves, and 2 zip ties to secure the head to the hose. Amazing! I built the cart and THEN learned the dust collection was deeply flawed. Then I came here to read everyone's comments hoping to get some ideas on solution. Thanks a million! I made a video about it and it will be coming out soon on my RUclips Channel. Make sure to watch because I will give you credit.
Glad I could help. I don't remember where I got the idea, but I'm sure it was someone else on RUclips. Keep an eye on the t shirt, it likes to fly off the can every now and then.
I too scrounge RUclips for ideas for months, as I spend a lot of time in hotel rooms working out of town, before I do a project.@@DudeSawdust
You could turn that trash can into a cyclone dust collector. That way all the chips stay in the trash can and don't blow all around on the inside of the cabinet (and into your shop if the door blows open).
How much of the waste that comes out of a planer or a jointer is the really fine particles, though? I would keep the air flow and just put an extra air filter on the exhaust if I did any modifications
I don't think it'll be worth it given how much you'll lose in terms of chip capacity. Also since fine dust isn't much of an issue for the planer.
@@hansangbi recently built a cart with this style dust collection and i needed the cyclone air movement just so the large chips stayed in the can. Otherwise the chips just seem to bounce out of the can and landed inside the box. And any chips that settled in the can would be agitated back into the air when the planer is turned on. My solution was to use the cans lid with pvc elbow to replicate the tickler 10 gallon can separator.
@@anthonydiberardino9548 Yeah, I can see that. I was wondering how one would stop blowing of the chips. Cyclone would be a great solution but again, don't know if it's worth the loss of capacity (height wise)
@@hansangbso the height that it takes up is a little bit larger than the height of the lid. I cut two holes in the lid and used the smallest 2” elbow cause i used 2 in pvc over the 3in. And put the elbows inside the lid pointing clockwise. So I’m using a 20 gallon trash can when height wise a 32 gallon would fit. But with the 32gallon can i couldnt get any of the chips to stay in or come up with any thing that was thin enough to fit.
I agree with some of the other commenters to just use a dust collection bag. I have the same planer sitting on a cart with the bag hanging underneath with flex hose in between. I imagine the inside of your cabinet will be a huge mess after using it a few times & need to be swept out periodically vs just disconnecting a bag & dumping it.
A+ fantastic work all around, a ton of jokes, references, and subtle self promo with great pacing, music, and sound effects. 11/10 would watch more shop infrastructure builds in the future!
Looks like a nice box, and I hope you get lots of use out of it!
I also appreciate all of the comments suggesting to over-engineer the thing. It looks like you found a good balance of utility vs theoretical improvements!
Love the added sound effects and editing. Gave me a good chuckle.
I think I've found what I like most on this channel though: It's the videos where you're fixing a problem of some kind. It's fascinating to see it overcome, and we learn loads of little techniques on the way.
One of the cyclone type lids for garbage can dust collection may help with the chips staying in the can. It would at least not blow the exhaust air right at the bottom pushing chips out of the thing. I'd lose the goofy fins inside the original fitting that are supposed to keep larger chips from being blown out, (like you want them to get caught and block the opening?)
Yeah, I was typing a similar idea but saw your comment. So, I just made a silly Back to the Future quote🤷♂
I tried that… the fan on that Dewalt is so strong that it blasted the lid off the can an into my neighbors yard
The fins are in the outlet to keep fingers out, not bigger chips in. That fan is spinning at ~10k rpm, it is plastic, but it would still chew up fingers.
I have my DW735 blowing into a Thien separator to collect the chips. Works great. There looks to be enough room that bob and crew could build one right into the cart.
Very innovative design. That must be the reason 1000s of woodworking including myself did this years ago. Still a classic.
I get wanting there to be a longer completely flat feed surface, but it won't get rid of snipe. Snipe is because the planer crushes the board with rollers, one each on either side of the cutter head. This presses the board against the surface just under the cutter head. This is why you need a sled if you're trying to joint boards on your planer. The snipe you get at the end of your board is because at the end of the cut the board is under just the cutter head and the outfeed roller. The sudden unequal pressure change when the board comes free from the infeed roller causes it to rock up ever so slightly under the pressure of the outfeed roller. Boom. Snipe. No amount of perfect infeed and outfeed surfaces, support, etc. will fix it.
Your video was great as I have the same problems with snip. Just got back from HD with that shelf material and boy it works great. As far as dust collection my collector is close enough that the planer blower is not a problem. Right now I just use a 4" flex hose and tied a string with a large loop to pull it out of the way of the outfeed. Love your channel and the Making it Podcast.
Thanks for this. I have the same planer and needed something. This gave me great ideas for my own set up!
I'm so glad!
I opted to put mine on a fliptop table with my rigid spindle/belt benchtop sander on the opposite size. Don't remember where I got the plans but it has a drawer on the bottom to put the infeed and outfeed tables, extra blades, and all the accessories for the sander that you can no longer put in their usual spots....because they don't stay upside down. As for dust collection, I haven't dealt with it. I connect to my dust collector and have gotten good at remembering to turn the dust collector on first or it blows the top off of the dust deputy. I also have a pretty big wing span so most of the time I can reach over an lift up the hose without much of a problem.
I like the cart idea. 2 suggestions… use a rockler dust collection bag in the stand instead of the trash can (it’ll catch everything with no dust). And consider using a magnetic level to flatten the tables. It the level will pull the tables into alignment while you tighten them down
You're just so much better off with a longer auxiliary table than those fold down wings it's not even funny. I wouldn't even dream of using a thickness planer without the table in it. The difference is that huge. Those wings just suck ass. I really don't care how they're adjusted. They blow goatse in comparison to the auxiliary table.
Great ideas and execution! Also liked many of the comments. One thing that I found on mine is the amount of static electricity build-up in the collection bucket if I've been planning a lot. I grabbed a length of ground wire (#14 or #12), stripped the end of it the height of my bucket and stuck it in there. The other end is connected to an electrical box, conduit connector, or other metal that I know is grounded. No more static build-up!
Great video, however I would have liked to see the planer actually working with the dust collection box and also see the inside after some heavy use. Good concept but not worth the expense without more info on final results. Perhaps a follow-up video after you have used it for awhile.
Good video/project, Bob~! I have a Dewalt lunch-box planer, but I need something like this for mine. Also heavy.
Around my shop, I use the same style casters ($$$) that you do and to avoid buying a set for everything that I want to be mobile, I installed caster mounting plates (by Rockler) on anything that is or might be mobile. These plates make quick work of relocating the casters between tools when I need to relocate something in the shop, like my assembly table. Works great~!
Woah... I made it into a ILTMS video. Achievement unlocked!
Its heavy because its a beast of a planer. Nice dust collection solution. Can't do this with any other planer - another reason for some of the weight and its totally worth it. great video !
I've got this planer as well. Didn't see the instagram, but they hit on every problem I have with it. I've already got the cart and had a couple of the same thoughts you showed for dealing with the dust collection and infeed/outfeed. Thanks for providing your solutions! Glad to know I'm on the right track!
Really enjoyed this video :) simple and helpful with some good ideas in a fun light hearted video. More like this please 👍🏻
Love this idea! I’ve been looking for a practical way to improve my chip collection without bogging down the shop vac.
Great cart! I have mine on a flip top cart with my ridgid spindle sander. Great idea for dust collection diversion. Also AWESOME work showing how to build to need while piecing a project together.
I really wanted to see the dust storm inside that box.
Same. I am not sure how big the chips are coming from the planer but I have a feeling that there is going to be a lot outside of the can. Might need a lid or something with the filter to keep them contained, but still better than nothing.
I would have guessed one would need to have a lid for the can, cut a hole in said lid, then attach hose to it.
Though, im not sure off hand if the tool would produce enough air to just blow the lid off.
I've built a similar container for mine. It's a huge mess everytime I've had to empty it.
I just finished building a pretty close version of this planer stand, and after testing it out, all the chips landed outside of the can. lol.
This is great! Was just struggling with dust collection on this planer and I think your solution is gonna be perfect!
Perfect timing! I was just starting to think about building a stand with some sort of dust containment... something... for my Dewalt planer. Lot of good ideas in this video. Thanks!
I was thinking the bar for the casters right as you said it. I used these for a table and put them on the inside and the bar made it a lot easier to engage the casters
Thank You great ideas. I’m a satisfied user of the DW 735 for 10+ years
FYI a 4” metal elbow fits onto the outlet of the plainer and the 4” hose.
Flip Top Portable Work Support works better for me than roller stands.
What a great edit!! Good info too.
Every year my tools get heavier, I swear! Picked up my wet saw last week and went..dang this is heavier than last time!!
It looks like you had a lot of fun building and designing this cart.
I think the only way you can really cut down on the noise is by having this planet inside a box. But then you won't be able to use it. Best alternative is to ask everyone to cover their ears.
I really like how simple and approachable this project is.
Some great ideas here! Definitely gonna try to use some of these tips
I like the idea of redirecting it right back into the cart. Nice one!
Hello ILTMS team, Love the collection idea, one addition I think would be great is adding stretchy net or sock material over the trash can, it can be connected to the inside hose and fitted over the can , would help with keeping most of your material actually being collected into the can and not blowing out into the box when your bin is half way or so full.
Love watching your vids
That's a great idea! Thanks!
I just had 4 different men ask me if I needed help as I stood in Lowe’s plumbing aisle as I tried to figure out which pieces of pvc pipe I needed for this! 😂
Looks great! Only one last problem not solved....being able to afford the planer.
Lots of projects to sell at stupid prices, using cheaper tools, then you can afford the big toys.
Nicely done Bob! I would add some triangular pieces glued to each of the inside top & bottom corners of that cabinet for added strength. You could also add a cyclone type lid to the collection can and attach the outflow hose to it. Just make sure to allow for air circulation. 👍👍👏👏🔨🔨
If he glued those edges before he screwed it together it's never coming apart. PVA glue is stronger than wood is.
That super quick and subtle LinusTechTips reference.
Great idea Bob and crew! Hope all is well back east!
Thanks for sharing those tips and the make!
I built my stand out of planed 2x4's. I trust it more than 3/4" ply as support.
Great video. I have that planer and I plan to use some of your ideas in my stand. Thank you.
Pretty neat build, have this planer but my dust collection with cyclone handles it no problem and I suspend my collection from the roof. The cost of the plywood for this build these days plus the 60 dollar casters make this thing half the cost of the planer lol but I'm think about taking that melamine idea but building small torsion boxes on either side of the bed
I put my dust collection hose on the opposite side from the height wheel. That way the side I work on is cleaner from obstruction
Thanks Bob I think I am going to modify mine soon!
Very cool! Thanks for that!
Very curious to see how well the dust stays in the can? I have the same problem with my set up and was considering switching the can to a cloth bag.. Good luck!
I'm definitely going to use some of that.
Thank you for the “Lift with your back, not your knees.” It made me giggle because my dad would always say that when lifting heavy things. (He died a year ago today, so it’s been a bittersweet day, and watching this video was a delight.)
I'm sorry for your loss Beth, but I hope we brought a tiny tiny bit of fun to the day 👍🏼 -Bob
Strong backs are what make the world go round.
Nice video, and some simple ideas that made a massive difference to it. One suggestion, the bin if you cut a hole in the lid and fed that pip through the hole so the bin lid could stay on, would that help keep all the dust and shavings in the bin and not in the box?
Really loved the editing on this one!
Always like your videos Bob. Good job!
Fantastic work, Bob! It's definitely much better now! 😃
I have a 25cm... 10" planer/thicknesser that I need to build a cabinet for it. But I have no idea of how it works yet, because I'm kinda scared from it. 😬
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Adding a helical head would definitely quiet the machine down quite a bit. Did it to mine and I love it.
I actually have one from Byrd tool.. works great, but still loud.
That’s weird.. I got a Lux cut and you can almost talk over it now.
Great video idea! Love the community driven aspect
I have something similar for dust collection but hose goes to multiple tools. Nice use of the wilhelm scream.
Fisher's Flip cart design all the way. That way you can have two tools in a single shop fixture. Just plug the hose into your existing dust collector.
I you are going in to the end grain then pull the screws out and then drill out 3/8" hole and insert some dowel with glue then pre drill a hole and reinstall the door. This should help keep that area stable.
How did the chip collection perform? My guess is that it was not what you expected since that was left out of the video. Successful or not, that was the part I was looking forward to seeing.
It definitely helps! Maybe we'll show some this week on Instagram. I mean, it's a round can in a squarish space, so not all of it makes it in for sure, but it's easy to clean out what's in the can
G'day from Australia, I have a Sherwood planer/thicknesser with a spiral cutter head and it is much quieter when being used as compared to the DeWalt with the straight knifes. I know the place I bought my Sherwood from sells a OEM spiral cutter head replacement for the DeWalt. Thought this might be a way to make it a bit quieter but I could be wrong.
thanks
The quiet Wilhelm scream 😂
Those casters are probably the right choice. Regular locking casters don't work too well on angled garage floors.
one of the problems I have with this dewalt planer, is I get sniping when the infeed and outfeed tables are completly flat! I have made my tables HIGER so the rollers force the board down as it comes in and goes out, and I no longer have sniping...great ideas!!
thanks!
great video guys!
Add a cyclone lid on the can, and an exit hose going to your main dust collector.
I remember seeing a video that installing one of the spiral carbide cutting heads lowers the sound level.
The knives being sharp definitely helps with the sound. Cutting is more quiet than hammering is.
I am not sure if you are using the knives or helical head but I just switched to the helical and not near as loud when cutting FYI
A good way to reduce the noise of the planer much more significantly is to swap the cutter out for a helical head. It has a bunch of other benefits over traditional planer knives too.
Loved this video! More like this!
I would suggest putting in a sheet or two of acrylic in the box so you can see when the bin is full. Only a suggestion.
Just a hint for people who may be thinking about replicating this at home. A 4" street 90 deg (Flair one side no flair on the other) fits perfectly into that exhaust on the planer so you don't have to 3d print the adapter.
Good to know!
Nice!! Wish I'd known that earlier :)
@@Iliketomakestuff I got it thinking I'd do similar to you and print a bushing and use the slip end for my DC hose. Got lucky and it fit the other way around.
I wish that port on the planer was more robust. I've broken two, just from extra stress on it with that 90 degree piece acting like a lever.
Thank, I was hoping someone had an alternative idea on that.
if you upgrade to a shelix cutter head by Byrd , it'll drop the noise level significantly!!
I've actually got one installed, just forgot to mention it 👍🏼
I love the sound effects used in this video. Hilarious.
Love this! More videos of how to make tools better would be awesome!
6:32 Wilhelm scream ... nice :)
One of the problems I have with my Dewalt planer is it creates so much static in the plastic parts. Any ideas on how to release that static energy? It makes the dust stick to everything
My shopfox planer does that too. Thought it was the shop vac but it does seem worse with the planer
I've seen someone buy a cheap length of chain from the home center and drape it from one of the posts to the floor - he claims it helped (I don't have personal experience). My shop-vac and sander tend to create a lot of static and I found leaning a long cheap metal f-style clamp from the floor up to the hose helped.
My DeWalt does the same thing when I am running it. Only 20% humidity here in Wyoming. I get shocked all the time.
I would have liked to see the results of the adjustments you made. Did the dust go and stay in the can? Was the sniping eliminated?
I liked the solution by Under Dunn with a lifting table. Especially for a smaller shop that doesn't have a dedicated space for a planer. (Though I feel like if you did, it would be a larger stationary planer.)
Fabulous 👍
Did you guys try to level the planners in and out feed to your table saw when you were building the box? then you could just use the wide flat table saw as either receive or push in material.
I tried using melamine as an in-feed,out-feed solution and found that the pressure from the rollers made the melamine surface rub off on the bottom side of the planed boards, Ended up covering the surface with laminate. Works much better.
I want to build what you did. Questtions: Did the chips stay in the can? How long before the air filter became clogged???
When I look at products on amazon I go straight to the 1-star reviews. IMO they are the only ones that matter. So There were enough negative reviews on the flip-up casters to give me pause (but then every product always does) I want to use this type but I don't want flimsy or low quality. It's like you don't know till you know. So my question is how does your experience compare to the 1-star reviews?
I like the casters like that that can we remove. Stops me from tripping over them and it's cheaper to just buy mountain plates only
There are versions of these casters with pins that allow them to be removed from the plates quickly amzn.to/3YkGbEB
You really need to spend a few hours with it and test. Trust me. Dry lube the screws that raise it up (raise it all the way up to max, lube it) lower it down. Do it again, up down. Then raise beds on the OUTSIDE all the way up. The inner part that goes to the main bed - have that lip be even. Use a flashlight to see.
The main issue with the 735, other planers that use a roller system - you have two rollers like this O_O , the Os are the roller, the _ is the bed. When wood goes in, it presses it down flat. When it comes out of the LAST ROLLER, any weight on front of wood will angle it UP and you’ll hear that bzzzzzzt on last 2” for snipe.
Use sleds if any cup or bow twist is present. Ditch the hot glue. Just use shims and some cheap masking tape (it’s only on for a few anyway).
Feed at an angle. So 13” I’ll feed wood in at a slant like / vs straight in - that will help with blade wear. I have the 3 blade and it’s been fine. I’ve done a few pallets of walnut so far and other than some very fine lines that can be sanded out, been great.
Unless you have super burly curly wood with crazy grain going everywhere, the dimensioning setting is fine. I only use the fine setting if I’m moving to finish sanding.
Feed every piece twice. Forward backwards. When you flip, do again. Trust me.
Don’t bother building fancy tables to outfeed too. Simply just feed it, when it’s almost halfway, go to outfeed and supper piece as it comes out. Not lifting, not letting down, just keep it as it is, maybe a tiny bit of upwards force.
Also, if you bought this, then use it. Put it on a stand with caster stands that can stabilize it. Working on the ground is STUPID. You’ll hurt your back and it’s just bad practice. Figure out a solution and implement it.
Not that I’ve tested 100s of board feet learning this before I did my first planing on some walnut. No sir, not at all. 😅
Drops the castor -> Linus
That cracked me up...
Have a look at what John Heist did for making a cyclone with the trash can for this exact planer