High female employment rates in Europe mean more babies

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  • Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024

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  • @kalpeshmanna7233
    @kalpeshmanna7233 Год назад +2945

    They have free healthcare and free childcare support

    • @chloereed2434
      @chloereed2434 Год назад +20

      Ireland doesn't

    • @dfsempire2712
      @dfsempire2712 Год назад +6

      @@chloereed2434doesn’t it

    • @thephoenixking3242
      @thephoenixking3242 Год назад +67

      Every country in europe has free healthcare.

    • @imarockstarification
      @imarockstarification Год назад +26

      Since they all have it, it can't explain the difference...

    • @time2132
      @time2132 Год назад +19

      @@imarockstarification The quality of the healthcare ain't the same so stop lying to yourself!

  • @MayonnaiseJane
    @MayonnaiseJane Год назад +1661

    Kids are expensive. Two incomes can support more kids.

    • @kingace6186
      @kingace6186 Год назад +68

      When both parents work and don't have to spend a fortune on childcare, there will be more babies to raise.

    • @wyzemann
      @wyzemann Год назад +4

      @@kingace6186Childcare expenses should remain firmly in the hands of the employed parents and not the State and its overburdened taxpayers.
      Welfare is FAREWELL to individual freedom.

    • @Theorimlig
      @Theorimlig Год назад +9

      @CoCo-qi5nr Daycare/preschool, after the generous parental leave is over.

    • @wyzemann
      @wyzemann Год назад +1

      @@Theorimlig Who usually subsidizes those types of childcare institutions?

    • @davec3974
      @davec3974 Год назад

      ​@@wyzemannbetter to spend more money per taxpayer on caring for an ageing population than to spend it on producing the next generation of children needed to keep the economy going.

  • @eazeyt1759
    @eazeyt1759 Год назад +745

    Those countries also have way better healthcare, childcare, and education policies. If they have a bunch of resources provided by the government then of course they’re going to be more open to having children.

    • @stefansmiljanic1697
      @stefansmiljanic1697 Год назад +6

      It also depends much on culture. For example, in france, many Arabs have two to three kids most of the time since, to them, it's considered normal, yet french people usualy have 1 to 2 kids on average since they see having too many kids as unnecessary that's at least according to what I saw

    • @niccolopaganinifranzliszt3556
      @niccolopaganinifranzliszt3556 Год назад +1

      I don't know... At Israel, there are way more problems with everything in what you've said, than, let's say, Italy, and yet the average is around 3 children per woman.

    • @francookie9353
      @francookie9353 Год назад +2

      ​@@niccolopaganinifranzliszt3556Because globally the correlation between not having formal education and having children is a lot stronger. In Europe we see a flip of this trend, since most citizens receive a minimum amount of schooling - unlike in many African countries, South East Asia, South America or the Middle East. In those countries it's normal to have between 3-4 children or more, which is pretty rare in Europe.

  • @SillyPC
    @SillyPC Год назад +655

    Portugal has a decent number of working women but a low fertility.
    Germany and France are swapped. In France there are less women working but more births. Germany is the opposite.
    To point out more problems with this data, the Czechs and Romanians are missing from the employment data. They are some of the most fertile nations according to the previous data. If they are disregarded what you are left with is a good percentage of the data being contradictory. Except for one point.
    The map showing subsidized childcare lines up rather nicely with the fertility map. Portugal has it and is doing better than Spain who doesn't have it. France has it and is better than Germany. All of the Scandinavians have it and are doing well fertility-wise.

    • @choochoo82
      @choochoo82 Год назад +57

      Yeah when they showed the last map it was so clear they buried the lead. I guess "subsidizing children leads to more children" is less click bait-y lol

    • @robynp5917
      @robynp5917 Год назад +11

      That would've been the more interesting story to me. But the Scandinavian countries are routinely touted as being among the best in the world at... Well, almost everything.

    • @thecapatalistpropagator_9470
      @thecapatalistpropagator_9470 Год назад +16

      Scandinavian countries have higher birth rate because of immigration

    • @doobervallard
      @doobervallard Год назад +11

      Immigrants.

    • @owennilens8892
      @owennilens8892 Год назад +9

      Came here for this. Another thing that is ommited is share of immigrants in the population as they tend to have more children.
      That said even in these metrics Czechia and Romania might still be outliers

  • @snakesandsticks
    @snakesandsticks Год назад +710

    Correlation does not equal causation

    • @kingace6186
      @kingace6186 Год назад +76

      The correlation is strong enough to support the claim

    • @6565sebas
      @6565sebas Год назад +70

      @@zUJ7EjVD In poor countries there's no free childcare and the free healthcare is of really poor quality, nonetheless, fertility rates are significantly higher than in Europe. Again, correlation does not equal causation, as the comment said.

    • @LordRykard9376
      @LordRykard9376 Год назад +23

      Exactly. Employment does not incentivize having kids. Quiet the opposite in fact.

    • @emily_8687
      @emily_8687 Год назад +85

      ​@@6565sebasI think you're trying to explain away a fallacy (correlations equals causation) with a fallacy here by applying a false equivalency. Comparing the birth rates of poor countries to rich counties isn't very useful considering the different health factors, such as access to birth control, infant mortality, and maternal mortality. The data sets are too dissimilar to prove anything. Comparing factors between similar rich countries can help determine whther the correlation is random or explainable.

    • @kalpeshmanna7233
      @kalpeshmanna7233 Год назад +16

      @@zUJ7EjVD the free healthcare part is more important than employment in this case.

  • @elipren
    @elipren Год назад +58

    In the Czech Republic mothers have 3 years of maternity leave. That's the reason.
    Also love how they didn't mention it at all.

    • @ckhpersonal670
      @ckhpersonal670 Год назад +6

      "i love how they didnt mention the entire EU policy at all in 1 minute short"

    • @elipren
      @elipren Год назад +3

      @@ckhpersonal670 ?

    • @vg1024
      @vg1024 Год назад +1

      @@elipren thanks for your comment! 3yrs maternity leave definitely sounds like the cause.

  • @StonkExchange
    @StonkExchange Год назад +75

    The max is 1.8 on the map. How is that close to 2.1????

    • @nohandlehere568
      @nohandlehere568 Год назад +5

      It isn't. 1.8 would still leave you with an increasingly aging country if births were the only source of population growth.

    • @zanderhenriksen6776
      @zanderhenriksen6776 Год назад +5

      It's not even correct for Norway for example, check their National Statistics Bureau (ssb.no), the fertility rate is closer to 1.4, not ANYWHERE near 2

    • @piiinkDeluxe
      @piiinkDeluxe Год назад

      ​@@zanderhenriksen6776same for Germany, we have 1.something average children.

  • @kingace6186
    @kingace6186 Год назад +307

    Not that surprising but Japan is probably doing the Pikachu face rn

    • @fios4528
      @fios4528 Год назад

      Japanese society doesn't leave enough opportunities to date or to actually engage with a partner or children. It's what happens when you go all in worshiping capitalism.

    • @neatwheat
      @neatwheat Год назад

      this?
      ∩_∩

    • @korakys
      @korakys Год назад +4

      Japan actually has the highest fertility rate in its region. That meme has long since not matched reality.

    • @Peacecraft117
      @Peacecraft117 Год назад +34

      ​@korakys stop lying

    • @kingace6186
      @kingace6186 Год назад +44

      ​@@korakys Japan's fertility rate as of 2023 is still 1.27-1.36 births per woman. On top of this, Japan has the oldest population in the world.

  • @FanFive5
    @FanFive5 Год назад +16

    In previous times, children were assets for farm work and supplanted paid labor. As urbanization and industrialization prevailed, they became dependents as opposed to assets, leading to smaller families as fewer children could be supported. Additionally, as medicine became more advanced, more people survived childhood. This meant less kids were needed to maintain a family line. This is why birth rates are so much lower today compared to centuries ago.

    • @evm6177
      @evm6177 Год назад +4

      BINGO! 👍

    • @tiredgardener
      @tiredgardener Год назад +4

      And even further back, before we became a farming species, birth rates would have been very low. Nomadic people who rely on a hunter-gatherer lifestyle can't support large families.
      So, in a way, population decline is a return to what our numbers should be. The agricultural revolution that happened thousands of years ago allowed for inflated numbers.

  • @th0master
    @th0master Год назад +77

    Hmm… if both parents work, that would mean twice the income, or at the very least more income, so couples can afford to have more children. Right?

    • @01SaltyWitch
      @01SaltyWitch Год назад +7

      Except that both parents working outside the home means childcare, which is insanely expensive

    • @annekekramer3835
      @annekekramer3835 Год назад +20

      ​@@01SaltyWitchMaybe where you are from, but childcare in my country is subsidised. The less you earn, the higher the subsidy.

    • @jennyh4025
      @jennyh4025 Год назад

      @@01SaltyWitchThe most I have seen per month in Germany was about 500€/month (for the highest income bracket), for low income families it was 0€/month, just food, which is capped at 100€/month in my city.

  • @venusvirgofly
    @venusvirgofly Год назад +23

    Who knew financial stability and access to services would allowed women to feel safe and comfortable enough to reproduce?

    • @vg1024
      @vg1024 Год назад +1

      nobody cares

  • @AO00720
    @AO00720 Год назад +23

    Immigrants having kids.

  • @YouTenaza
    @YouTenaza Год назад +8

    In Spain young people barely can afford to live by themselves. Let alone to have children. I'm 31 and only know two people that has kids. And that's in the "friends of a friend" circles. Housing and employment conditions are joke...

  • @ggdevelopment7403
    @ggdevelopment7403 Год назад +18

    It is quite a coincidence that the same countries offer top-tier childcare support to parents who have trouble balancing the economy. And some of them also offer free education, so children in poor households still have amazing opportunities later in life.
    But as a proud Dane, I can testify that when working I suddenly get to urge to procreate for some reason... It might be something in the water.

  • @mynameisreallycool1
    @mynameisreallycool1 Год назад +8

    And even when you don't look at statistics, it's obvious that making having children less convenient and more expensive is gonna mean that couples will be less inclined to have kids.
    Sure, a lot of women don't want kids, but a lot of the childless women out there DO want kids. The problem is that they realize that it wouldn't be practical to have children. If you don't have access to free and affordable healthcare, the economy is terrible, the cost of living is high, you know that you will have no one to look after your kids, and your job will make you work so many hours that you'll hardly be able to look after your children.
    Of course a lot of women will want to opt out of having chidlren, even if they really want to have kids. You realize that your kid will be less happy and it would be hard to afford your home and other necessities for you, your husband, and your kids.

  • @thijmengerritsen5772
    @thijmengerritsen5772 Год назад +7

    The Netherlands has one of the highest rates of women in the workforce, but not as high of a fertility rate

  • @MannyKoum
    @MannyKoum Год назад +21

    the subsidized healthcare part is the most significant factor tbh

    • @LeviMatteo
      @LeviMatteo Год назад +1

      No, because Southern Europe has good and free healthcare too...

    • @c.w.8200
      @c.w.8200 Год назад +2

      It's healthcare + childcare, I'm from a dark blue country and it's a big political issue actually, providing adequate and affordable childcare so women can work.

    • @milansvancara
      @milansvancara Год назад

      @@LeviMatteo To be honest here the quality of the ''free healthcare'' between the blue countries and the gray countries here is a not a minor difference...

    • @Wahrheit_
      @Wahrheit_ Год назад +1

      Spain has one of the best healthcare in europe tho

  • @aravindvissamsetty
    @aravindvissamsetty Год назад +159

    Have you heard of the phrase "Correlation doesn't mean causation"?

    • @shonenjumpmagneto
      @shonenjumpmagneto Год назад +5

      Not Republicans. Use this ammo in a debate anyway lol

    • @kingace6186
      @kingace6186 Год назад +25

      It's a very strong positive correlation tho

    • @user-221i
      @user-221i Год назад +1

      Higher immigration

    • @wilsonmpesha904
      @wilsonmpesha904 Год назад

      ​@@shonenjumpmagnetoWell said Brandon. May the woke be with you.

    • @vg1024
      @vg1024 Год назад

      @@user-221i 3yr maternity leave sounds like a better cause.

  • @idancohen4753
    @idancohen4753 Год назад +11

    Lol when 1.8 is your max fertility rate you know wassup

  • @nates9105
    @nates9105 Год назад +13

    A good work life balance and sustainable income does wonders

    • @lzh4950
      @lzh4950 Год назад

      Meanwhile in Singapore I remember our prime minister once said that our immigrants (from less-developed countries) aren't asking for work-life balance however

  • @algerbanane4521
    @algerbanane4521 Год назад +4

    i think its also related to working hours: france has a 35h work week, and scandinavian countries have average workloads around 30h a week because many mothers work part time

  • @nanyate
    @nanyate Год назад +6

    It's about affordability.

  • @henri4356
    @henri4356 Год назад +266

    Let’s be honest this is also likely due to higher immigrant populations

    • @FrederikJolle
      @FrederikJolle Год назад +50

      Alot of factors go into it if it was based on immigration only spain greece and italy would have a better fertility rate

    • @max_208
      @max_208 Год назад +63

      In that case this should be reversed, southern European countries like Spain, Italy and Greece have a large influx of immigrant populations

    • @tatertot4810
      @tatertot4810 Год назад

      My mother is Spanish and I know first hand that Spain is full of immigrants. Im sure they controlled for this in the study

    • @joseaguirre744
      @joseaguirre744 Год назад +42

      @@FrederikJolleThose countries have been notoriously anti immigration, Sweden, Norway, Germany, and French have been for. If you look at the fertility rate of Native Europeans in those countries, they are often times lower than Spain, Greece, and Italy. When was the last time you saw a pregnant german?

    • @FrederikJolle
      @FrederikJolle Год назад +16

      @@joseaguirre744 idk I don't see many Germans when was the last time you saw a pregnant lizard?

  • @ivanbakun3137
    @ivanbakun3137 Год назад +2

    you manipulate data and ignore facts. You can clearly see that there are counties in Eastern Europe countries have high fertility rate and lower woman employment rate. You just hand pick countries for your message

  • @rod9829
    @rod9829 Год назад +4

    One factor being omitted from this are immigrant populations, I am sure the birthdate for ethnic swedes is much lower than Somali migrants, (just as one example in Sweden)

  • @proskar3146
    @proskar3146 Год назад +2

    This is actually wrong. Norway has a fertilitet rate of 1.48 according to our national statistic bank.

  • @BertoLuca98
    @BertoLuca98 Год назад +1

    Correlation does not imply causation!
    Societies with a stronger welfare system and wealthier economies allow for both higher fertility rates and higher inclusion of women in the workforce

  • @danieljohananderssonortega3280
    @danieljohananderssonortega3280 Год назад +9

    Yeah let's forget a big fact on those countries... 😂

    • @Kayser-i-Rum1453
      @Kayser-i-Rum1453 Год назад +6

      Immigrants

    • @k.umquat8604
      @k.umquat8604 Год назад

      ​@@Kayser-i-Rum1453How many immigrants do you see in Romania

    • @Kayser-i-Rum1453
      @Kayser-i-Rum1453 Год назад +2

      @@k.umquat8604 I mean western and northern Europe. In Romania it's due to poverty.

    • @k.umquat8604
      @k.umquat8604 Год назад

      @@Kayser-i-Rum1453 still proves my point

  • @lydiamakarova3991
    @lydiamakarova3991 Год назад +14

    Aren't most of the dark blue countries also pretty liberal in terms of immigration policy? Wouldn't be surprised if this contributes to the situation along with medical and childcare systems.

    • @cyberleone00
      @cyberleone00 Год назад +3

      thats the ticket

    • @k.umquat8604
      @k.umquat8604 Год назад

      Czechia and Romania don't take immigrants,but ithey also have higher fertility rates than Germany with lots of immigrants

  • @growingstruggle5493
    @growingstruggle5493 Год назад +1

    It's the high income and salary countries that can afford to have children, in Italy the fall in demographic is mostly due to people barely making it to the end of the month on their own, let alone by having kids.

  • @iulioh
    @iulioh Год назад +27

    The countries have incentives, this is not AT ALL about employment.
    Really bad take.
    Correlation, not causation.
    And even if mentioned in the video the overall message is still employment=higher birthrate

    • @Feralfoundry
      @Feralfoundry Год назад +1

      What is bad about this message?

    • @barnaby4232
      @barnaby4232 Год назад +1

      All of the countries have incentives what’s your point?

    • @iulioh
      @iulioh Год назад +2

      @@Feralfoundry the video says "we should have higher women employment rate because this will drive up the birth rate"

    • @hircenedaelen
      @hircenedaelen Год назад +2

      @@iulioh and? Those are both good things

    • @kalpeshmanna7233
      @kalpeshmanna7233 Год назад +2

      @@barnaby4232 to be honest almost all the developed countries have incentives to support their falling birth rates, including USA. But incentives here is much more smaller due to high immigration rates stabilizing population automatically.

  • @Epistemologics
    @Epistemologics Год назад +5

    Make a whole video on this! Very interesting, but very complex issue!

  • @TheOdeszy
    @TheOdeszy Год назад +1

    it’s almost like not being hostile towards women is a good thing!

  • @kyrpousin
    @kyrpousin Год назад +3

    More women work, more money. More money means you can rise a child. That's why Greece has a low fertility rate, bad economy

  • @tacticallawyer
    @tacticallawyer Год назад +3

    Because they also have best health care and maternity benefits

  • @Xaelum
    @Xaelum Год назад +3

    The occupation map correlates much more with GDP which probably also explains the low fertility rate

  • @ThyBookie
    @ThyBookie Год назад +15

    I would also map the average age that people marry. In Italy, it’s unusual to get married before age 30 so cultural trends of marrying later could also impact fertility rates

  • @ServantAleksandar
    @ServantAleksandar Год назад +4

    They have immigrants who pop out 7 children each also...

  • @D3NNIZZZ
    @D3NNIZZZ Год назад +3

    Because.... kids cost a lot of money to raise and 2 incomes gets you more money which allows you to raise more kids??

    • @vg1024
      @vg1024 Год назад

      they don't want 2 incomes they want independence.

  • @swrieden
    @swrieden Год назад +1

    Why does the blue scale max at 1.8 when the replacement rate is 2.1?
    I wouldn't call 1.8 "close" to 2.1

  • @hostedbysimples5416
    @hostedbysimples5416 Год назад +2

    Although I agree that it has a factor in high fertility, as there is one more person helping to raise income to the house, I believe that housing prices have a much more impact on the fertility rate. Because who would raise a child in a apartment with only 1, sometimes even 2 bedrooms. Even if people move to medium or small cities they will move far from their job, and from decent schools or opportunities they have on large cities, making necessary to buy a car and spend most of the money they would save on the cheap house. Its a dificult dilema, and Ive seen my sister making that question, and its not easy for her, with relatively well off finances, imagine people with already low paychecks and cramped houses.

  • @israelcube9837
    @israelcube9837 Год назад +2

    The unemployment rate in in southern Europe isn’t actually as high as shown on the map. Keep in mind in countries such as Greece and Spain. Huge portions of the workforce work informally rather than legally. The other main factor in difference between fertility rate is economic instability. Most southern European nations are worse off than they were in 2008 economically. Meanwhile Northern European nations are generally slightly better off. Fertility in southern Europe was actually on the rise until 2008-2009.

  • @amazonpr1me759
    @amazonpr1me759 Год назад +1

    Notice how the high birth rate in this chart is still below the replacement rate of 2.0-2.1

  • @georgehfnm9623
    @georgehfnm9623 Год назад +2

    So we leave in an age that we need to have analysts cranching numbers to see the obvious. Of course a family with more women working (thus families having more income) will have better fertility rates. I leave in Greece. Number 1 reason people don't have more than 1 kid is ALWAYS money.

  • @Jeffhowardmeade
    @Jeffhowardmeade Год назад +2

    They may be a correlation, but nobody in Europe is anywhere close to reaching a replacement level birth rate.

  • @niccolopaganinifranzliszt3556
    @niccolopaganinifranzliszt3556 Год назад +1

    It's always makes me proud to see that my country is probably one of the only, if not the only OECD state who is well above the replacement level. Israel, about 3 children per woman. At most families that I know, there are about 4-5 kids per family. It's not rare, but really not common to see families with only 1-2 kids per woman.

  • @vascobranco5296
    @vascobranco5296 Год назад +1

    Has a portuguese I can say that this has nothing to do with high fertility rates. It's all about the policies to support families. South European countries (mine included) are poorer than the North European countries and because of that there is less government support to families.

    • @LeafHuntress
      @LeafHuntress Год назад +1

      But the support in Portugal is better than in Spain, so that proves the point even just within the Iberian peninsula.

  • @Dog-Girl-Defect
    @Dog-Girl-Defect Год назад +2

    it's so weird that they aren't including poorer countries.

  • @ytkatz
    @ytkatz Год назад +4

    *Japan frantically taking notes*

  • @dant.3505
    @dant.3505 9 месяцев назад +1

    Subsidized child care in the form of just get the grandparents to do it for free.

  • @eduardoramos7423
    @eduardoramos7423 Год назад +2

    How come African countries has lower employment rates,but they have a booming population ?

  • @sacredsam6046
    @sacredsam6046 Год назад +2

    Or or, just hear me out. More kids means more money to take care of the kids. Sooooooooooo if the moms work too, you can have enough money to take care of the kids.

  • @BestYear2016
    @BestYear2016 Год назад +7

    The dumbest conclusion you could come to just by relating two statistical variables. It all comes down to parenting not producing “ quality over quantity”

  • @Ciszis
    @Ciszis Год назад +1

    these have no correlation stop waffling

  • @FerEriol
    @FerEriol Год назад +1

    Correlation does not lead to causality. the more probable explanation is income. northern countries are richer than southern countries.

  • @anwarvanommeren8407
    @anwarvanommeren8407 Год назад +1

    This is such nonsense. I live in the Netherlands and I find that women choose either career or children. If they combine it, it's usually part time employment at best. Daycare is expensive (even when subsidized) so often that leads making choices on how much to work and how much to be home with the child.
    Kids are definitely expensive and it's not causation but more correlation.
    Also the explanation can easily be the other way around where higher fertility forces people to go work more to provide for the family.
    Also

  • @mirrormonkey2
    @mirrormonkey2 Год назад

    Please make a longer video of this diving into all of the details like the apparent 3 years of maternal leave in czechia and the reasons why germany is lagging behind france even though there are more women in the workforce (spoilers: it‘s less state support and a worse work-life-balance).

  • @KaritKtana
    @KaritKtana Год назад +1

    It wasn't that long ago that more Catholic countries like Spain and Italy were preceived as having higher birth rates, and Scandinavian countries were lower. Did that flip due to economical constraints, or was that a misconception?

  • @Akislav1990
    @Akislav1990 Год назад +1

    Southern europe has no economy. Don't you think there is a correlation between economic hardship and low fertility in europe?

    • @Akislav1990
      @Akislav1990 Год назад

      @@Dimitris_Half they are going off correlation only, so i am sticking to the rules

  • @fusionreactor7179
    @fusionreactor7179 Год назад +1

    There is literally little to no correlation as the only countries dark blue in both is Sweden and Denmark

  • @giantcat4354
    @giantcat4354 Год назад +1

    Correlation doesn't always mean causation.
    Maybe they're in the workforce and have support for those families because families have more kids not the other way around.

  • @manolisponiris7045
    @manolisponiris7045 Год назад +1

    Or it might just be because Southern European countries have experienced worse economic conditions than Northern or Western European countries. As a Greek who just paid €6.50 for a bottle of Listerne believe me when I say it hit hard.

  • @keagaming9837
    @keagaming9837 Год назад +1

    It could also be because a higher standard a living and just the people up in northern Europe having higher salaries to pay for kids, as well as women having a better education and knowing the reason for why things exist.

  • @fatjonprendi1026
    @fatjonprendi1026 Год назад

    Regarding Sweden where I live there’s a 480 days parental leave for both parents. And also the government pays for the kid an amount of money from the day its born until the 18th birthday each month. And also free healthcare and education.

  • @commentor3485
    @commentor3485 Год назад +1

    Still surprised its lower than the USA.

  • @RemnantCult
    @RemnantCult Год назад +15

    I'd like to think that happy people means more people willing to raise and birth children.

    • @vg1024
      @vg1024 Год назад

      people without children would argue they're happy without them, so no.

  • @marietailor3100
    @marietailor3100 Год назад +1

    Yeah - if it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg to have a kid (and even if it does, if you can go to work and have a second salary), you’re more likely to have a kid

  • @NowAndToEternity
    @NowAndToEternity Год назад

    correlation not causation. Having a job nowadays is a requirement. Having kids depend on the contry maternity law and expenses.

  • @Happy_2_Wheels
    @Happy_2_Wheels Год назад +1

    This has to do greatly because of low income couples that feel that they cannot afford to have children.

  • @Pippis78
    @Pippis78 Год назад

    Not completely sure how subsidised childcare is defined, but I believe Finland has it too.
    It's a very small sum for parents who take care of their kid at home and it's only until the kid is 3yo. But daycare centres are extremely cheap and free for families with small income. Preschool is mandatory and free. Public school is free and there aren't many private schools.
    Monetarily suported mother's leave is 10 months but after that you can take a separate parental leave that you get a small amount of money as support.
    For people who have a job with good salary the mother's leave is the same or almost same as their wage, but unemployed or minimum wage parents have to survive on a lot less.
    Most healthcare for children is free.

  • @Schinshikss
    @Schinshikss Год назад

    Now come too think of it, women in agricultural communities also have a more flexible employment environment in which their rights to hold a job/position in a group would not be nullified simply because they have gone absent for the last few months of the pregnancy. Career breaking due to pregnancy is definitely the biggest factor in terms of urban birth rate drops.

  • @NathanQuinteiro
    @NathanQuinteiro Год назад +1

    Correlation ≠ causation

    • @NathanQuinteiro
      @NathanQuinteiro Год назад +1

      @@Dimitris_Half it always does when it supports your opinion

    • @NathanQuinteiro
      @NathanQuinteiro Год назад

      @@Dimitris_Half sure. That's why the high natality rate in France is in majority explained by the 10% lower classes

  • @jacksonmartin7864
    @jacksonmartin7864 Год назад +1

    Wow *shock* helping people will their children will cause people to have more children *absolute shock*

  • @stefanfischer7351
    @stefanfischer7351 2 месяца назад +1

    And where is the question what immigrant group has the highest rate.

  • @TheZBroZa
    @TheZBroZa Год назад +2

    Correlation is not causation

  • @jaekyungseo5720
    @jaekyungseo5720 Год назад +1

    Correlation doesnt mean causation.

  • @aryanshukla7305
    @aryanshukla7305 Год назад +1

    The most common cause for low fertility rates is unaffordable nature of the second child in most places like China South Korea and others not wanting kids is kinda a non sensible reason as if people don't have to do the uphill battle all over then they r okay with having more

  • @amanb8698
    @amanb8698 Год назад

    It's not employment that is the factor, it is the social safety net the subsidized child care, the paid maternity and paternity leave, the universal/single payer healthcare, women's clinics , less hours worked via shorter work days, and mandatory paid 1 month vacations. Also the tuition free university, the government and private sector being unionized, and quality public housing and rent control. Meaning you can AFFORD to get married younger, bring another human into this world, and not face consequences. This is what unionization, social safety nets, and public benefits via taxation of the very rich do for people.

  • @armaniphillips5618
    @armaniphillips5618 Год назад +1

    It's all wealth there's no trends, just that these countries are richer

  • @neuroticnation144
    @neuroticnation144 Год назад +2

    There are also more women in the workforce than not, so of course they are going to appear to have higher fertility rates.

  • @TH-lu9du
    @TH-lu9du Год назад +1

    Very cool, but this would be easier to see with a traditional x-y graph and more data points (like the rest of the world).

  • @Daemonioros
    @Daemonioros Год назад

    For the Netherland specifically that's because so many women here work part time. Which is nowhere near as common in other areas of Europe

  • @Samuelgermano234
    @Samuelgermano234 Год назад +3

    Well, Spain has a lot if unemployment, so this happens on both sides

  • @matthi9384
    @matthi9384 Год назад +1

    It could also be, that these countries have the highest numbers of migrants. I would like to see how many swedes have 2.1 children and how many children migrants in sweden have.

  • @cicciograziani5122
    @cicciograziani5122 Год назад +23

    For those who say "women shouldn't work if we want bigger families..."

  • @m1xtin
    @m1xtin Год назад

    correlation doesn’t equal causation. Higher % of women in the work force alone has minimal impact on fertility rates, healthcare and income are much bigger players, among other factors.

  • @ripwednesdayadams
    @ripwednesdayadams 10 месяцев назад

    It’s almost like helping people access what they need to live helps society as a whole.

  • @blueblur1984
    @blueblur1984 Год назад +1

    These issues AND (very important distinction) women in the work force indicates a thriving economy. Most of the Mediterranean have stagnant economies and low wages. IE you can't afford to have a family.

  • @Lara-fx4ex
    @Lara-fx4ex Год назад +1

    Couldn’t even see Italy in the second map😂🥲

  • @SeazBreeze
    @SeazBreeze Год назад +1

    There's a difference between correlation and cause.

  • @sw4rmify
    @sw4rmify Год назад

    Correlation doesn’t equal causation. Also check out the fertility rate for any developing country

  • @DaveE99
    @DaveE99 Год назад

    Basically all your saying is that they have more general implicit confidence that they can manage a family.

  • @salmay4266
    @salmay4266 Год назад +7

    It's the stay at home immigrant women that causing the high birth rate not the high employment rate in women lol y'all tripping

  • @JakeSmith-jy1kx
    @JakeSmith-jy1kx Год назад +1

    Quick: Do Africa too!

  • @anglophone412
    @anglophone412 Год назад +1

    Every country in Europe is in crisis

  • @guillaumeprince7332
    @guillaumeprince7332 Год назад

    Welfares for parents and free healthcare is what makes a country rich

  • @Molly-jh4kz
    @Molly-jh4kz Год назад

    Correlation does not equal causation. The northern European countries also generally have better healthcare and leave policy.

  • @kendrickbritto8556
    @kendrickbritto8556 Год назад +1

    Then again every time I step out in England there’s either a roadman or a pregnant 15 year old

  • @karthage3637
    @karthage3637 Год назад

    Also it did not solve the decline of natality, cause it keep thinking despite being higher than other country
    And it did not take in account migration policy which to resolve the lack of workforce which include population with higher fertility rates

  • @chanmarr8118
    @chanmarr8118 Год назад

    They have the things needed to support families such as long maternity/paternity leave, daycare, childcare stipends, and healthcare. The US could never.

    • @supervivo7069
      @supervivo7069 Год назад

      Some individual states have similar things, just not as generous.

    • @JakeSmith-jy1kx
      @JakeSmith-jy1kx Год назад

      The U.S. has a much higher fertility rate than anywhere shown on this map.