Experience yes, but i believe batman has more hand to hand experience because Shredder mostly relied on the sword of tengu. That's why i think a draw is a fair choice in battle experience
Batman vs the ninja turtles movie, batman was beating the shit out of shredder so hard that shredder had to resort to dark magic and back-up from the footclan.
They were literally equals while shredder was being merciful, second fight shredder was beating the life out of him with ease, he needed the turtles help to beat him
@@arlainecarinugan3703 Batman was Pummeling Shredder to the ground , Shredder was going for the kill too and he only landed ONE lucky blow that let him do his technique and THAT wasn't enough to take Batman down .
@@arlainecarinugan3703 mercury by what standard. Batman throughout the fight clearly was beating him and so much so that had Batman not been struck with that ass pull of a move he would clearly have beaten him.
@@Hamilton-The-Unstoppable.Don't be silly. Too much praise for shredder, but strong, but not the strongest. Batman in the comics defeated much stronger enemies and meta-humans. Batman from the comics will destroy Shredder in hand-to-hand combat
Yeah they did, but in season 1 the shredder doesn't remember that fight, so that means they were in another timeline or created another timeline. Also despite the fact that Shredder lived on earth for almost a thousand years and conquered Japan, I still believe that Batman has more experience in h2h combat, because for the most part Shredder used the sword of tengu or sent his ninjas, but he has more experience in space battles, so I think a draw is a fair outcome
They did not go to any other timeline, Mortu gave them devices that showed them Utrom's history as a simulation (like a VR)... Watch season 1 and 2 again.
We've never seen them in action, so I've decided to consider only Nightwing, Catwoman, Jason, Tim, and others. And I don't think they are equal to the whole foot clan which, in addition to the usual ninja, includes an elite guard, mystics, Shredder's clones and various armored vehicles. But if we are still considering the Justice League, then I think it would be fair to mention that Shredder has many allies throughout the universe and entire fleets equipped with technological weapons, which have no equal on earth.
We've never seen them in action so we don't know how strong Arkhamverse JL is, but if anything 2003 Shredder already went against the equivalency to the JL in their verse. Silver Sentry and Nobody are basically TMNT equivalents to Superman and Batman
To me the one true Shredder is human. The 2003 version is a beast, he's probably the most dangerous. But I won't think of him as the True Shredder. Just a cool alternate version.
@@Me26107 are you Dumb or something. It’s literally Arkham Batman vs Utrom Shredder. Obviously that guy is Referring to Arkham Batmna getting stomped. you saying “Not Arkham Batman” is the most Stupidest shit I have Heard. of course he’s’ Referring to Arkham Batman getting stomped
Watching the TMNT & Batman film, I was really worried they might of given Batman a weak form/design, and people were gonna complain that Arkham Batman would beat the Shredder and vice versa with the Shredder form/design, but i was so wrong and they both fought amazing and had shown weakness when they interacted. Think of this: Shredder is basically Ra's Al Ghul but less of his wisdom, not craving power and has his own code, I felt like batman would of lost either way and im a huge batman fan
@daimyo10 that is true Actually if you seen the tmnt 2012 that shredder is ripped and handle a 6 v 1 against mutants, you think he can handle Arkham Batman?
Arkham batman beats 10+ villains in 1 night 12h at most for 4 games he has every gadget for every scenario and has beaten every villian he’s come across to the point riddler went mad trying to stop him dosent matter which version of shredder it is Arkham is batman in his prime he always wins even if he has to lose first
@@daimyo10 batman learns from his mistakes and adapts to any situation give him some prep time he can beat anyone this is proven knowledge he knew Martian manhunter was a Martian before he even revealed himself to be a Martian and already knew how to beat him when ever Batmans in a fight u always bet on bats the man went toe to toe with darkseid numerous times and win
Shredder takes iq and battle iq for me. And remember, he is an alien, he survived many times the turtles tried to defeat him. He even survived a bomb explosion. He even created a digital copy of him and locked it in the world of the cyberspace (this takes iq and durability. Further more, he had a clan holding his back, a group of demons, two scientists (Dr stockman-chaplin), a samurai girl who promised to serve him forever (karai) a buffed "human -monster"(Hun), a warrior who was the leader of the foot clan after Hun (can), a powerful sword which can destroy all batman's gadgets. He made stockman make turtles and splinter be like in reality in the utroms base when they saw the story of the utroms. He traveled to the future to defeat the turtles. He set up an escape to the utrom world-galaxy and as he was doing that he was destroying 2 planets from other galaxies and if we take it from the movie... He traveled to the other 2 dimensions of the TMNT to defeat all 12 turtles ever existed and together all 3 dimensions, splinter, shredder from 2nd dimensions, karai and that krang alien (also from 2nd dimension. He returned 7 times to achieve his win and without the movie staff... He's still in that asteroid in that Galaxy. Shredder solos. And if it was all 3 shredders....(chre'll, tengu and cyber) no one can stop them
We don't know what Batman would do if he had access to the same technologies that the Shredder has. Perhaps he could do much more significant things. But your point is also true, so IQ really remains a moot decision. But Battle IQ definitely goes to Batman. Not only because he is the world's greatest detective, but he is also a brilliant strategist and is able to instantly assess the situation on the battlefield. Something Ch'rell obviously cannot boast of. When things didn't go according to plan, he always lost to the Turtles or Splinter. Could not quickly adapt to new conditions. I also doubted feats and battle experience until the very end, because, as you said, ch'rell participated in many battles throughout the galaxy, and then on Earth. But for the most part, he was more of a warlord when Batman was a direct participant in the battles. And defeated very strong opponents in hand to hand fights. By the way, I'm not sure that Shredder managed to survive the explosion. Perhaps the worms simply created a clone, because something similar was in the comics.
@@daimyo10 Lmao ain’t no way you just said that. Traximus is stronger than 20 Triceratons put together, a Triceraton is as strong as Rocksteady who is at least 600,000 Toner, because, because Leatherhead was able to toss thragg like if he weighs nothing, I have estimated and measured his length weight and Width and he is 300,000 Tons and Leatherhead tossed him like if he’s nothing, Rocksteady is as strong as Leatherhead. so estimated by that and the previous thing that I said, Traximus is a 12,000,000 Toner. Traximus is also super experienced in the battle field he has fought for years, he’s super skilled, and nearly indestructible, he’s also super smart. Just to give how skilled he is he’s top five to be one of the most skilled fighters in the galaxy. Shredder also defeated Traximus. Shredder also defeated the turtles and has fought the turtles, you’d know this if you actually watch the show.
If u watched the show, then u should know that the utroms said that he launched attacks on planets and started civil wars where millions of innocent people died. So he was more like a space pirate. Nothing about conquerer. But even if he did... i gave batman feats because he was capable to overwhelm Joker's personality in him. For me it's much greater feat than any Ch'rell conquests. And i'm sure that the shredder never would be capable to thing such of this
@@daimyo10 to do that you have to have some kinda power of Dominance and Shredder had a lot of Dominance. Plus he’s far more experienced in fighting than Batman and also Shredders a Threat to the entire Tmnt Verse. That’s more of a feat than anything Batman has done.
Yeah and he stiil lost many times to the turtles and splinter like a rookie. They easily bait him and he always fells for it. Shredder never learns on his mistakes. Can't control his anger
Foot Ninjas have different units. Tech ninja (invinsible), elite ninjas (shredder's elite guard), foot mechs (robots), shredder's clones and many others. Also shredder has foot mystics - followers of an ancient demon. Each of them is a representative of the earth's elements (water, fire, metal and so on)
IQ to shredder clearly,Utroms have technologies that are far beyond those on earth so Chlor was starting wars and makes everyone on his planet his enemy so he leaves and creates some next lvl tech that Batman didn’t show any comparison
2012 Shreeder would make sense as well as well since 2012 has much better hands than 2003 and you can tell that just by the choreography of the fights and how he fights
Yeah, 2012 is a better fighter but we must admit 2003 series was very limited in animation technology. Every fight scene was like 1-2 punches so they just couldn't show how skilfull this shredder is
Shredder’s arrogance would take precedence over tactic, which is pretty much Arkham Batman’s specialty. I don’t think Shredder could just brute force his way into winning considering that he’s lost to the turtles and was humiliated by splinter before.
@@Deadringer-xb5vh That’s different, and would be excluded as it’s power and stats increase and drawn from the user’s and opponents life force. Definitely a better armor, but kinda because of hax.
@@manwithwlife4695 So what if Batman is Allie’s with the JL, doesn’t mean he’s that level, Batman is a Puny Weak Pathetic shit head. Utrom Shredder has Henchmens who can beat Arkham Batman.
All of that crap to make them even and it wasn't even accurate. Strength shredder Durability shredder Speed They are about even Endurance Batman Experience? Overall Batman because of how he was written as a character. His training alone puts him top tier. However, shredders is a master in the deadly arts and flights to kill, So he is far more deadlier in combat. IQ and battle iQ goes to Batman because of his technology, experience, and he is literally fighting every day. That does not take away from the fact that shredder is a master martial artist who probably trains every day in deadly fashion. Stealth? Ninja master versus superhero? Batman has snuck up on Superman. But that is not to say that others who are peak physical condition Can't do the same. Who do I think would win in a fight? Better question? Can Batman take down the entire foot clan and capture shredder? Batman can definitely destroy the foot clan as he can take on the League of shadows and the owls (with extreme difficulty) The fight will be about even. Shredder will of course attack pressure points and vital organs but this is nothing Batman hasn't encountered. Batman's determination and experience will help him fight shredder. Batman on the other hand does not fight fair. He will do anything except kill you, including permanently maiming a criminal or putting them in the hospital outright. He has explosives and technology like knockout gas. Most of this is stuff that shredder has already seen being that he's a ninja master, however, Batman amplifies Ninja tactics by x100. I think ultimately Batman would win because he simply deals with too many different threats and has become extremely versatile. He has the ability to outwit lex luthor, the Riddler, joker, and other strategic criminal masterminds. He also has the physicality to match. Having advanced technology that can affect superhumans, I don't think there is much shredder will do that Batman hasn't seen before. Realistically, shredder versus Batman would be a 5 minute fight with Batman winning. He would take some damage
This shredder is more than thousand years old, so he gets experience. And he is also an utrom - high developed race and even among them he is a genius but i still gave iq to batman. Batman would never take down an entire foot clan because shredder has foot mystics - servetns of ancient demon. They are elementals elementals that can control water, fire, earth, metal and wind
Utrom Shredder takes literally everything, Hun alone would tear Arkham Batman apart. Arkham Batman is weak asf, and Posses a Threat to no one in the foot clan.
How is Batman smarter than intergalactic alien warlord who has been on Earth since 11th century? Plus, Shredder is stronger and faster than Batman definitely. Batman's only chance is some high tech gadget and preparation time.
@@savaget-rex5583yeah but must admit 2003 series has a lot of really good villains besides the shredder. Bishop, Drako, Garbageman and especially Necro Monster with tentacles (one of the best episode) and also this guy from underground city the last member of his civilization, dont remember his name
We've literally seen batman and shredder go head on with only use like 3 gadgets and shredder won so i think its clear who should have goten hand to hand combat
First a cartoonist batman is different and more weaker than the batman in the games second you should watch the fight again shredder couldn't give batman a clear punch except when he used a superhuman punch Third batman in the second fight was weaker than before and yet deafeted shredder
Batman was about to defeat shredder before he use his lucky move that works just one time In second fight batman was badly injured and his body was still recovering from the first fight And we all know that batman isn't going to kill when he fight.........
I'd say Shredder has the edge especially if Batman goes for a killing blow on his head. His true form could surprise Batman and give him a shot at a killing blow. Batman can only really be beaten the first time you fight him, anything after that and he'll have gadgets and strategies to put you down.
Tf were you on when you watched it. Shredder and Batman were Stalemating each other in the first fight, till Shredder got the upper Hand. the Second fight Shredder was slamming the entire time, and Batman had to say Cowabunga for help. But this is 2003 Shredder vs Arkham Batman. I’m willing to debate, although I already know Shredder slams, I mean I have all the Arkham Games, and I watched 2003 so I think my opinion is pretty valid, but I’m willing to agree with you, if you can bring any feats that I missed.
Shredder vs batman (base) batman wins hard diff Shredder 2003 vs batman base: shredder wins negative diff 2003 shredder vs Arkham batman: shredder wins extreme diff
Интересно, а если сравнивать этого Шреддера и комиксного Бэтмена или Шреддера из комиксов IDW против Бэтмена из комиксов, у кого больше шансов будет? ___________________________________________ I wonder if we compare this Shredder and the comic Batman or the IDW comics Shredder with the comic Batman who would have a better chance
Бэтмен из комиксов сражался против Дарксайда, побеждал всю лигу справедливости, в приницпе был одним из умнейших существ во вселенной. Я думаю, он с легкостью нагнет любого Шреддера, с подготовкой сможет нейтрлизовать даже Тенгу версию
Ok. Let's see. Shredder 2003 is the most powerful, and skilled Shredder form tmnt, Arkham Batman is (in my opinion) the best batman. Shredder is better fighter and he has more experience because he has thousands of years behind him so I think combat and skill would go to him and let the kids in the comments not refer to Batman vs TMNT movie because that Shredder it's a completely different character. I am a huge fan of ninja turtles and batman, Shredder is my favorite character from all fiction but if the clash happened by accident, that is, if the Shredder showed up unexpectedly, he would defeat the batman with the mid-high diff. However, if batman managed to escape and get ready to battle for example a few days, it would be a gratefull fight, but Shredder wins High-Extreme diff. it's just my opinion, but I think the most correct :)
He lived a thousand years on earth but that doesn't mean he is a better fighter than Arkham Batman. He is a skilful warrior but he conquered japan because he had the sword of tengu. No one could oppose this weapon. Not even close. In his basic form Shredder defeated the turtles only one time - at their first encounter, but splinter interrupted and defeated him. Then the Shredder lost in his own tower. Then he lost in the lair of the utroms. And then he was defeated by triceraton on his own ship. Looking at all this, I cannot say that he is a better fighter than Arkham Batman. Also he is too arrogant and can't control his anger. I think this is the main reason why he would lose to batman
@@Czerwonynikto agree, i think he was defeated too easily on the utrom's base and i don't believe that just one triceraton was enough to beat him. In the canceled season, he was able to capture the entire Triceraton ship without a suit.
I think it is possible Batman could win a rematch, but I don't think its a given he learns enough about the Shredder in one fight to do it. How long did it take the Turtles to realize that he wasn't even Human? Sure Batman is smarter....but it might take a few fights for him to realize it and he can't win before he figures that out. And even then, it's still a rough fight with that knowledge.
People really don't know how powerful 2003 Shredder is, huh? Dude's only hiding in plain sight, on the outside he appears as a street tier criminal mastermind with a foot clan, similarly to Ra's Al Ghul, but in reality he's a space terrorist alien who's responsible for multiple universal genocides. Utroms BARELY captured him after thousands of years by sheer luck and those guys are Brainiac level
The Shredder has a lot of influence in New York but he isn't as powerful as many people think. In his base form Ch'rell lost to the turtles and Splinter many times. Batman is a much more skilful warrior. But it's only my opinion
@@daimyo10 I disagree. First of all turtles only beat him when they were either way more skilled they were previously or when they had the outside help of Utroms or their assets. In season 1 they lose pretty badly to Shredder including Splinter who keep in mind won the Nexus tournament and so did Shredder and so did Mikey. I think you're vastly underestimating Turtles in terms of their skill, they are extremely adaptable and Leo especially is a fast learner. I mean in episode 1 they barely deal with basic foot ninjas and by the end of the show they unlocked their chi to the point where they can transform into dragons 2003 Turtles won against alien invasions, space terrorists, literal monsters, Atlanteans, demons etc. I think Arkham Batman is way out of their league, comic Batman is a different story but this isn't about him
@@tananatana4011 He completely destroyed the Turtles during their first encounter, that's true. But Splinter intervened and humiliated him. Then Shredder attacked them at April's store, but the turtles managed to escape. After that, he turned into a whipping boy. Lost to them in his own tower having different ninjas on one hand and the sword of tengu on the other. Then he allowed the utroms to escape, lost to the turtles again and got himself annihilated. After that even worse, he somehow managed to lose to Triceraton in a 1v1 fight. Imo ch'rell is too arrogant to beat Arkham Batman, he can't control his emotions. Even his digital version was easily baited by Mikey the same way as the original was baited by splinter in season 1. So that means he can't learn from his mistakes. While Batman has the ability to adapt to any opponent and circs in a matter of seconds.
@@daimyo10 His arrogance is something Batman would exploit for sure, but you're making i sound as if Triceraton is a weakling or something. Triceratons are HUUUUGE and scale higher than the titans from Arkham games, plus he was an actual soldier, not just a monster, so he knew how to fight
@@tananatana4011 btw are you sure it was Ch'rell who won the Battle Nexus tournament? There are three statues of winners, but none of them have Shredder's gauntlet. And the armor itself is different even from the feudal version. It could have been someone from the ninja tribunal. The only clue is the helmet, which was on a separate pedestal.
Overall - yes, Chrell obviously has more battle experience. But I feel like Batman has more hand to hand combat experience. Just imagine he deafeated thousands of criminals, Ras Al Ghul, Deathstroke, Bane. I dont remember that shredder has worthy opponents in his past. And even if he did: he let Hamato Yoshi escape from his own stronghold, he slaved mystics because of the sword of tengu not because of his skill(even splinter deafeated them years later). Yeah
How strong is this Batman? If he's around the same tier as your standard version then Batman's gadgets are absolutely IMPERATIVE against Ch'rell. Without them there's literally nothing meaningful he can do. This Shredder's armor redirects lasers potent enough to paralyze metahuman Triceratons, walked out from a building exploding and collapsing unscratched, and he wasn't dented at all under repeat blows from Zogg who scales to Leatherhead (held a house volume part of the sewers collapsing for a considerable time). Bro's durability is legit multi city block.
I think this is the strongest standard Batman except comics version. Yet shredder's armor was electrified by Stockman and then penetrated by the Turtles. So it's not that invulnerable. In addition, Batman had electric gloves in one of the games. And maybe Batman doesn't need to penetrate the armor, he can outsmart the Shredder, like Splinter did in their first encounter, or drive him into a trap.
@@miragenights801 Strong enough to act as defibrillators to resuscitate the recently stopped hearts, power elevators, generators, etc. Batman actually used the shock gloves' power to shock Bane so hard that his heart beat stopped. Then Batman resuscitated him by using his shock gloves as defibrillators.
Hmmm, this seems slightly biased towards Batman, but overall, this seems extremely good. But no matter what, making battle experience is a hard no, chr’ell has been fighting and committing terrorisim for thousands of years, and that was before he was on earth, and he crashed during the birth of fighting techniques, and has washed them grow. He has way more combat experience Endurance and feats are debatable, Feats as he almost destroyed the entire multiverse, but he was using the techodroin, so so. I personally would give him skill, but that’s fine, same with combat.
Thanks for your comment! Let me explain my position. Battle experience is a very controversial point despite Chrell's rich past. As an intergalactic criminal, he raided planets as a leader, not as a combat unit. He was a kind of military commander, like Napoleon. On Earth, he had The Sword of Tengu at his disposal, thanks to which he literally demolished entire cities and armies. Batman, on the other hand, went through hundreds of hand-to-hand battles, in one night he managed to defeat many of the most dangerous thugs only thanks to his skill, and not "magical" weapons. Each of them has more experience in different types of battles, so I decided to settle for a draw. As for the feats, Batman was able to overcome the Joker personality within himself and resist Scarecrow's toxin, which previously seemed impossible. In this comparison I did not consider Turtles Forever crossover, so it's just the basic version of the shredder from season 1-3
@@daimyo10 Ok, those are both fair points, Though I would still give shredded the feats as he has done several things that weren’t supposed to be possible and still succeeded in doing. But yeah that makes more sense. Thx for being polite and respectful about your reasoning and response
There's a difference between better and stronger but actually this batman version fought only two supes or maybe four but they aren't in that much level so it's debatable
Exo Shredder has no cover for the utrom inside. This is a vulnerable part of the suit that Batman will use. Also Shredder will lose his mobility. So I think original armor is still a better option for this fight
Batman takes every physical attribute and Iq overall shredder has more combat experience but batman has more martial arts mastered Batman wins mid diff
Shredder (oroku saki) actually defeated Batman before, And Ch'rell is much more powerful than Saki. And if we bring in demon shredder, its just overkill
Ch'rell never faced such a strong opponent as Arkham Batman. Also he was defeated by the turtles multiple times. Even in his own place when he had the sword of tengu. That's why i prefer batman in this fight. Tengu shredder is another story. Without prep time batman has no chance against him
@daimyo10 I admit that Batman with prep time solos high diff, plus the turtles in 2003 are much stronger than MOST versions of the teenage mutant ninja turtles.
I feel like the dude who has been around killing since feudal japan gets experience and combat experience
I think batman has more hand to hand experience because the shredder mostly used the sword of tengu. This is how he conquered Japan
@@daimyo10 it helped ch'rell sure but I wouldnt say that it was the main reason but its debatable so agree to disagree
@@daimyo10almost all of his fights are hand on hand tho
He did fight ra shal Gul and won multiple times, and that guy has been alive for hundreds of years. And his a combat expert too
Most Batman origin stories make it clear he practically knows any form of hand to hand combat
This Shredder would easily take experience over batman when you consider the timeline of the 2003 TMNT
Experience yes, but i believe batman has more hand to hand experience because Shredder mostly relied on the sword of tengu. That's why i think a draw is a fair choice in battle experience
Experience yes
Battle experience no
@@daimyo10
Fair point.
But Shredder is most definitely smarter at building stuff.
@@Overaheadofmyself Mate, Experience and Battle Experience are the same thing.
U tripping
Bruh this version of shredder killed millions
So?
I like how equally close both of them are
Excactly! And many points are so debatable: iq, feats, battle experience, endurance
No they are not close. Op doesn't know what he's saying.
This is actually a pretty good comparison...
Tf no hahhaha the best fighter of the world vs a samurai...
@@lilreverse6095the 2003 Shredder was alot more than just a samurai.
@@TheWhiteCometofAkagi1999 i know but batman is literally the strongest human in fiction without powers
@@lilreverse6095no tf lol go pick up a manga
@@user-mo8ji3lp8x i have read more comics than you and batman negs shredder. AND HAHAH IT'S NOT EVEN A MANGA
Batman vs the ninja turtles movie, batman was beating the shit out of shredder so hard that shredder had to resort to dark magic and back-up from the footclan.
I think they were pretty equal before shredder used magic
They were literally equals while shredder was being merciful, second fight shredder was beating the life out of him with ease, he needed the turtles help to beat him
@@arlainecarinugan3703 Batman was Pummeling Shredder to the ground , Shredder was going for the kill too and he only landed ONE lucky blow that let him do his technique and THAT wasn't enough to take Batman down .
thats not the same shredder 💀
@@arlainecarinugan3703 mercury by what standard. Batman throughout the fight clearly was beating him and so much so that had Batman not been struck with that ass pull of a move he would clearly have beaten him.
This was the version Of shredder I wanted to see fight Batman it would have been epic
Shredder would absolutely destroy him.
Stop Playing, He’s stronger, Faster, Smarter, Battle iq, equal combat, more durable, and more agility.
Shredder Wins: Mid Diff.
and if he has the sword of Tengu he Destroys.
@@Hamilton-The-Unstoppable.Agreed.
@@hermitus9746
Shredder literally destroys The Arkham Villains and Arkham Batman at the same time.
Low-Diff.
@@Hamilton-The-Unstoppable.Don't be silly. Too much praise for shredder, but strong, but not the strongest. Batman in the comics defeated much stronger enemies and meta-humans. Batman from the comics will destroy Shredder in hand-to-hand combat
the 2003 shredder has more battle experience first off because when the turtles traveled back in time they fought him
Yeah they did, but in season 1 the shredder doesn't remember that fight, so that means they were in another timeline or created another timeline.
Also despite the fact that Shredder lived on earth for almost a thousand years and conquered Japan, I still believe that Batman has more experience in h2h combat, because for the most part Shredder used the sword of tengu or sent his ninjas, but he has more experience in space battles, so I think a draw is a fair outcome
@daimyo10 i think the device that mortu gave them reomved these actions coz the future mortu didn't remember them being there
@@daimyo10
It doesn’t work like that, you need to go to time first, for it could start to Change.
They did not go to any other timeline, Mortu gave them devices that showed them Utrom's history as a simulation (like a VR)... Watch season 1 and 2 again.
But doesn't Batman's allies consist of the entire Justice League + Bat family?
We've never seen them in action, so I've decided to consider only Nightwing, Catwoman, Jason, Tim, and others. And I don't think they are equal to the whole foot clan which, in addition to the usual ninja, includes an elite guard, mystics, Shredder's clones and various armored vehicles. But if we are still considering the Justice League, then I think it would be fair to mention that Shredder has many allies throughout the universe and entire fleets equipped with technological weapons, which have no equal on earth.
We've never seen them in action so we don't know how strong Arkhamverse JL is, but if anything 2003 Shredder already went against the equivalency to the JL in their verse. Silver Sentry and Nobody are basically TMNT equivalents to Superman and Batman
I don't think so since considering The game never Told us if The Jl exist in the verse only allies he has are Red hood Nightwing And Catwoman
@@daimyo10 Wait tim is in the Arkham??? verse dam didn't knew that
@@hayabusa2360 he was in Arkham city and Arkham knight
I love batman but lets be fr, shredder beats batman when they're both at maximum potential
I bet on Batman
I'd bet on shredder, shredder has defeated a version of batman before
@@MusicBoundexactly
You can’t destroy the one true shreddee
To me the one true Shredder is human. The 2003 version is a beast, he's probably the most dangerous. But I won't think of him as the True Shredder. Just a cool alternate version.
@@cheeseburger12he is shedder
Tengu Shredder is the one true shredder.
Cyber shredder is true shredded 😂
Imagine Spider-Man and Batman Teamed Up Against The Shredder
RIP Shredder
They be gangster till he becomes super shredder
@@SpinosaurusFan296Until Spider-Man stops goofing around, shredded would get clapped bro.
@@yourmomsbf9745
Utrom Shredder Negs Not holding back Spider-Man.
@@MasterGoonWay69 Spider is 80 tonner at max, has a spider sense and he’s more intelligent than shredder. Spidey would punch a hole through his chest.
Batman is going to be fighting 2003 shredder for a while. 2003 shredder is honestly just built different
Yeah, i think so too
Utrom Shredder negs Batman won’t fight shit for a while.
Batman is cooked
This would be the sickest fight ever
No, it Really wouldn’t.
Shredder shit stomps, low diff.
@@Hamilton-The-Unstoppable.
Not Arkam Batman
@@Me26107
are you Dumb or something.
It’s literally Arkham Batman vs Utrom Shredder.
Obviously that guy is Referring to Arkham Batmna getting stomped.
you saying “Not Arkham Batman” is the most Stupidest shit I have Heard.
of course he’s’ Referring to Arkham Batman getting stomped
Watching the TMNT & Batman film, I was really worried they might of given Batman a weak form/design, and people were gonna complain that Arkham Batman would beat the Shredder and vice versa with the Shredder form/design, but i was so wrong and they both fought amazing and had shown weakness when they interacted.
Think of this: Shredder is basically Ra's Al Ghul but less of his wisdom, not craving power and has his own code, I felt like batman would of lost either way and im a huge batman fan
This shredder has no code or honor. He is pure evil. Power and revenge are the only things he wants
@daimyo10 that is true
Actually if you seen the tmnt 2012 that shredder is ripped and handle a 6 v 1 against mutants, you think he can handle Arkham Batman?
@@mykiimare_yes
This battle is legendary after all their even each other out
this is the best comparison i've seen on yt
Arkham batman beats 10+ villains in 1 night 12h at most for 4 games he has every gadget for every scenario and has beaten every villian he’s come across to the point riddler went mad trying to stop him dosent matter which version of shredder it is Arkham is batman in his prime he always wins even if he has to lose first
If batman finds a way to penetrate the shredder's armor or somehow outsmart him then he'll win. Until this moment it will be a tough fight.
@@daimyo10 batman learns from his mistakes and adapts to any situation give him some prep time he can beat anyone this is proven knowledge he knew Martian manhunter was a Martian before he even revealed himself to be a Martian and already knew how to beat him when ever Batmans in a fight u always bet on bats the man went toe to toe with darkseid numerous times and win
@@daimyo10 if Batman has enough given prep time, he could easily beat shredder.
@@jackfishbock5102 with preps time batman will beat anyone)
@@daimyo10 Yes, absolutely
Close but it's the dark knight
I totally agree with you especially the Arkham Batman he is the best Batman when it comes to fighting skills so yes. 😅
Nah. Especially this version of Shredder that isn't even human. Although Batman would wipe the floor with him without his armor.
@@cheeseburger12even out of the armor, The little squid bastard kicks ass
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 I'm confident that Batman can take unarmored Shredder (2003) without problems. Armored Shredder wrecks Batman.
@@gladiator5085
Dang, not even the most powerful version of Shredder slams the best at hand to hand Combat Batman.
Shredder takes iq and battle iq for me. And remember, he is an alien, he survived many times the turtles tried to defeat him. He even survived a bomb explosion. He even created a digital copy of him and locked it in the world of the cyberspace (this takes iq and durability. Further more, he had a clan holding his back, a group of demons, two scientists (Dr stockman-chaplin), a samurai girl who promised to serve him forever (karai) a buffed "human -monster"(Hun), a warrior who was the leader of the foot clan after Hun (can), a powerful sword which can destroy all batman's gadgets. He made stockman make turtles and splinter be like in reality in the utroms base when they saw the story of the utroms. He traveled to the future to defeat the turtles. He set up an escape to the utrom world-galaxy and as he was doing that he was destroying 2 planets from other galaxies and if we take it from the movie... He traveled to the other 2 dimensions of the TMNT to defeat all 12 turtles ever existed and together all 3 dimensions, splinter, shredder from 2nd dimensions, karai and that krang alien (also from 2nd dimension. He returned 7 times to achieve his win and without the movie staff... He's still in that asteroid in that Galaxy. Shredder solos. And if it was all 3 shredders....(chre'll, tengu and cyber) no one can stop them
We don't know what Batman would do if he had access to the same technologies that the Shredder has. Perhaps he could do much more significant things. But your point is also true, so IQ really remains a moot decision.
But Battle IQ definitely goes to Batman. Not only because he is the world's greatest detective, but he is also a brilliant strategist and is able to instantly assess the situation on the battlefield. Something Ch'rell obviously cannot boast of. When things didn't go according to plan, he always lost to the Turtles or Splinter. Could not quickly adapt to new conditions.
I also doubted feats and battle experience until the very end, because, as you said, ch'rell participated in many battles throughout the galaxy, and then on Earth. But for the most part, he was more of a warlord when Batman was a direct participant in the battles. And defeated very strong opponents in hand to hand fights.
By the way, I'm not sure that Shredder managed to survive the explosion. Perhaps the worms simply created a clone, because something similar was in the comics.
@@daimyo10 Yes you have a point here and no I don't think it's a clone
@@Angel_tsak I hope so. But can’t imagine how he could survive that explosion, even if the building was demolished under the foundation
@@daimyo10 I can't too but it's a cartoon so... The developers made it this way
Chrell is the best Shredder
Shredder
I love both
Shredder would win he’s fought the entire Tmnt at once the Tmnt could beat the Batman villains easy.
Bro, he lost to the triceratoron😂
@@daimyo10
Lmao ain’t no way you just said that.
Traximus is stronger than 20 Triceratons put together, a Triceraton is as strong as Rocksteady who is at least 600,000 Toner, because, because Leatherhead was able to toss thragg like if he weighs nothing, I have estimated and measured his length weight and Width and he is 300,000 Tons and Leatherhead tossed him like if he’s nothing, Rocksteady is as strong as Leatherhead.
so estimated by that and the previous thing that I said, Traximus is a 12,000,000 Toner.
Traximus is also super experienced in the battle field he has fought for years, he’s super skilled, and nearly indestructible, he’s also super smart.
Just to give how skilled he is he’s top five to be one of the most skilled fighters in the galaxy.
Shredder also defeated Traximus.
Shredder also defeated the turtles and has fought the turtles, you’d know this if you actually watch the show.
You Batman fan? What hypocrisy
Shredder Conquered Planets, Arkham Batman defeated his villains in one night.
Conquer Plantes > Defeating all your Villains in one night.
He carried out the genocide of peaceful planets, there was no one to conquer except ordinary civilians
@@daimyo10 he literally said he conquered Planets in turtles forever
If u watched the show, then u should know that the utroms said that he launched attacks on planets and started civil wars where millions of innocent people died. So he was more like a space pirate. Nothing about conquerer. But even if he did... i gave batman feats because he was capable to overwhelm Joker's personality in him. For me it's much greater feat than any Ch'rell conquests. And i'm sure that the shredder never would be capable to thing such of this
@@daimyo10 to do that you have to have some kinda power of Dominance and Shredder had a lot of Dominance.
Plus he’s far more experienced in fighting than Batman and also Shredders a Threat to the entire Tmnt Verse.
That’s more of a feat than anything Batman has done.
batman is better
Winner? You decide, obviously. How classic.
Battle Experience goes Shredder. Shredder BIQ is 1000 years minimum.
Yeah and he stiil lost many times to the turtles and splinter like a rookie. They easily bait him and he always fells for it. Shredder never learns on his mistakes. Can't control his anger
Batman Wins High Diff
Okay, I feel like Nightwing, Robin, and Catwoman are probably better than Foot Ninjas
Foot Ninjas have different units. Tech ninja (invinsible), elite ninjas (shredder's elite guard), foot mechs (robots), shredder's clones and many others. Also shredder has foot mystics - followers of an ancient demon. Each of them is a representative of the earth's elements (water, fire, metal and so on)
Hun destroys all of them by himself
@@MasterGoonWay69idk about that
@@josephkadlec3104
you don’t know.
Cause you Don’t know Hun
I’ve been at this since 1939, and I don’t look a day over 30. I’ll never tell you how I do it.
I say Shredder
IQ to shredder clearly,Utroms have technologies that are far beyond those on earth so Chlor was starting wars and makes everyone on his planet his enemy so he leaves and creates some next lvl tech that Batman didn’t show any comparison
2012 Shreeder would make sense as well as well since 2012 has much better hands than 2003 and you can tell that just by the choreography of the fights and how he fights
Yeah, 2012 is a better fighter but we must admit 2003 series was very limited in animation technology. Every fight scene was like 1-2 punches so they just couldn't show how skilfull this shredder is
@@daimyo10 yeah but it’s literally a flash then a punch or kick the fights or cool but you start to see a pattern in them
Shredder’s arrogance would take precedence over tactic, which is pretty much Arkham Batman’s specialty. I don’t think Shredder could just brute force his way into winning considering that he’s lost to the turtles and was humiliated by splinter before.
Utrom Shredder is infinite times better than Arkham Batman. In literally every Stat.
CH'RELL destroy TMNT multiverse
Im taking this shredder and 2012 shredder straight demons
Both are geniuses in so many ways , so ...
A tie .
Shredder stomps.
Bro gives armor to a Shredder ☠️
This armour is made of the utrom's metal which is stronger than any batman technology
@@daimyo10 true
When you don't know shot about shredder armor
Shredder armor is stronger than any batman armor ever
@@spunkymaniac9312 hellbat
@@Deadringer-xb5vh That’s different, and would be excluded as it’s power and stats increase and drawn from the user’s and opponents life force. Definitely a better armor, but kinda because of hax.
This is really accurate
Skill and Gadjet-Shredder
i think Shredder wins
He Claps, he doesn’t just win.
bro batman already beat shrdder in batman and tmmt @@Hamilton-The-Unstoppable.
@@RogerStanford23That's not 2003 Shredder tho
Allies batman would win Shredder only has foot clan batman has Justice League it’s quality over quantity here
Arkham Justice League was destroyed by Suicide Squad. They are weak as f***
Arkham Batman is disgusting. And I mean disgustingly good at combat. Shredder don’t stand a chance
Batman runs at Shredder but Shredder punches him to the dirt and kills him by stabbing him
His allies are the justice league 😅
Foot Mystics>Justice league😁
@@daimyo10 ok sorry it took so long for me to get back to you but um , THE FOOT MYTHICS WOULD GET SPIT ON BY THE JUSTICE LEAGUE.
@@manwithwlife4695
So what if Batman is Allie’s with the JL, doesn’t mean he’s that level, Batman is a Puny Weak Pathetic shit head.
Utrom Shredder has Henchmens who can beat Arkham Batman.
03 Shredder beats Arkham Batman. It would be a good fight tho
Shredder already has beaten Batman
Different versions
Not surprised it's so close.
All of that crap to make them even and it wasn't even accurate.
Strength shredder
Durability shredder
Speed They are about even
Endurance Batman
Experience? Overall Batman because of how he was written as a character. His training alone puts him top tier. However, shredders is a master in the deadly arts and flights to kill, So he is far more deadlier in combat.
IQ and battle iQ goes to Batman because of his technology, experience, and he is literally fighting every day. That does not take away from the fact that shredder is a master martial artist who probably trains every day in deadly fashion.
Stealth? Ninja master versus superhero? Batman has snuck up on Superman. But that is not to say that others who are peak physical condition Can't do the same.
Who do I think would win in a fight?
Better question? Can Batman take down the entire foot clan and capture shredder?
Batman can definitely destroy the foot clan as he can take on the League of shadows and the owls (with extreme difficulty)
The fight will be about even. Shredder will of course attack pressure points and vital organs but this is nothing Batman hasn't encountered. Batman's determination and experience will help him fight shredder.
Batman on the other hand does not fight fair. He will do anything except kill you, including permanently maiming a criminal or putting them in the hospital outright. He has explosives and technology like knockout gas.
Most of this is stuff that shredder has already seen being that he's a ninja master, however, Batman amplifies Ninja tactics by x100.
I think ultimately Batman would win because he simply deals with too many different threats and has become extremely versatile. He has the ability to outwit lex luthor, the Riddler, joker, and other strategic criminal masterminds. He also has the physicality to match. Having advanced technology that can affect superhumans, I don't think there is much shredder will do that Batman hasn't seen before.
Realistically, shredder versus Batman would be a 5 minute fight with Batman winning. He would take some damage
This shredder is more than thousand years old, so he gets experience. And he is also an utrom - high developed race and even among them he is a genius but i still gave iq to batman.
Batman would never take down an entire foot clan because shredder has foot mystics - servetns of ancient demon. They are elementals elementals that can control water, fire, earth, metal and wind
Utrom Shredder takes literally everything, Hun alone would tear Arkham Batman apart.
Arkham Batman is weak asf, and Posses a Threat to no one in the foot clan.
Imagine Batman vs tengu shredder 💀
Knowledge,IQ and BIQ easily goes to Batman
Nah, this shredder is around 1,5k years old. He is an utrom and these guys are very smart and advanced race. So knowledge definitely goes to him
@@daimyo10
You on crack. Obviously shredder fanboy. Eat a 🦇 D
Tight battle hard to predict outcome
How is Batman smarter than intergalactic alien warlord who has been on Earth since 11th century? Plus, Shredder is stronger and faster than Batman definitely. Batman's only chance is some high tech gadget and preparation time.
That's experience
@@GardG4m3r Not just that. Chrell is a genius even for Utrom standards.
I’d pay to see this
Excellent choice bro! What's your favorite version of Shredder? Utrom? Cyber or Tengu Shredder?
Utrom Shredder from Season 1 that's for sure
@@daimyo10 Same. I like him too. The turtle series is nothing without the Shredder!
@@savaget-rex5583yeah but must admit 2003 series has a lot of really good villains besides the shredder. Bishop, Drako, Garbageman and especially Necro Monster with tentacles (one of the best episode) and also this guy from underground city the last member of his civilization, dont remember his name
Shredder wins😊
giving armor to a samurai with one suit over someone with 20+ different suits, for 20+ different scenarios is crazy
Actually Shredder had a couple of suits through out the series and it was made from utroms metal which is far stronger than any batman armor
We've literally seen batman and shredder go head on with only use like 3 gadgets and shredder won so i think its clear who should have goten hand to hand combat
First a cartoonist batman is different and more weaker than the batman in the games second you should watch the fight again shredder couldn't give batman a clear punch except when he used a superhuman punch
Third batman in the second fight was weaker than before and yet deafeted shredder
Batman was about to defeat shredder before he use his lucky move that works just one time
In second fight batman was badly injured and his body was still recovering from the first fight
And we all know that batman isn't going to kill when he fight.........
that shredder is just a human... and still he won
This is Arkham Batman vs 2003 Shredder.
@@ArchaonEverchosenn he couldn't even give Bruce one clear punch except the last one
I'd say Shredder has the edge especially if Batman goes for a killing blow on his head. His true form could surprise Batman and give him a shot at a killing blow. Batman can only really be beaten the first time you fight him, anything after that and he'll have gadgets and strategies to put you down.
And Shredder failed twice in the comics
Batman vs Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Batman pummeles Shredder to a pulp after throwing him off by saying "Cowabunga!"
Tf were you on when you watched it.
Shredder and Batman were Stalemating each other in the first fight, till Shredder got the upper Hand.
the Second fight Shredder was slamming the entire time, and Batman had to say Cowabunga for help.
But this is 2003 Shredder vs Arkham Batman.
I’m willing to debate, although I already know Shredder slams, I mean I have all the Arkham Games, and I watched 2003 so I think my opinion is pretty valid, but I’m willing to agree with you, if you can bring any feats that I missed.
2003 shredder wins he literally got his head cut off and still survived because he is not a human
Maybe this version of batman can't
skill=Shredder
No
@@Biggest3ofroblox lol, yes
@@TUNAR_C.100Talysh batman skills
Creating any weapon by himself
He literally fighting with has prep army
@@Biggest3ofroblox 1 vs1 Batman will lose to Shredder
If it was Tengu shredder this would be a different story.
Batman with prep time>Tengu Shredder😁😁😁
@@daimyo10dostum tengu shredder izledinmi tengu shredder supermani bile yener
@@daimyo10, how?
Tengu vs Hellbat
@@life4trinity
Tengu Shredder will just turn that suit into Nothingness.
Lmfao.
Weapons goes to both
The sword of tengu > any batman weapon
Shredder 2003 >
Shredder vs batman (base) batman wins hard diff
Shredder 2003 vs batman base: shredder wins negative diff
2003 shredder vs Arkham batman: shredder wins extreme diff
Интересно, а если сравнивать этого Шреддера и комиксного Бэтмена или Шреддера из комиксов IDW против Бэтмена из комиксов, у кого больше шансов будет?
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I wonder if we compare this Shredder and the comic Batman or the IDW comics Shredder with the comic Batman who would have a better chance
Бэтмен из комиксов сражался против Дарксайда, побеждал всю лигу справедливости, в приницпе был одним из умнейших существ во вселенной. Я думаю, он с легкостью нагнет любого Шреддера, с подготовкой сможет нейтрлизовать даже Тенгу версию
my guy batman is built different,he definitely wins this
shredder got this easy
@@RaphaeltheRonin you ever played the arkham games my guy?
@@asylumpatient96 oh yes it was very fun beating the crap out of people but I can't see him coming close to this shredder
@@RaphaeltheRonin cool
@@asylumpatient96 👍
Batman has more feats in the comics then Shredder soo Batman wins
Maybe but its not comics batman
@@daimyo10
Cope and capin
Utrom Shredder has way More Feats and better ones to, Shredder Negs.
and it’s Arkham Batman not Comic Batman.
Ok. Let's see. Shredder 2003 is the most powerful, and skilled Shredder form tmnt, Arkham Batman is (in my opinion) the best batman. Shredder is better fighter and he has more experience because he has thousands of years behind him so I think combat and skill would go to him and let the kids in the comments not refer to Batman vs TMNT movie because that Shredder it's a completely different character. I am a huge fan of ninja turtles and batman, Shredder is my favorite character from all fiction but if the clash happened by accident, that is, if the Shredder showed up unexpectedly, he would defeat the batman with the mid-high diff. However, if batman managed to escape and get ready to battle for example a few days, it would be a gratefull fight, but Shredder wins High-Extreme diff. it's just my opinion, but I think the most correct :)
He lived a thousand years on earth but that doesn't mean he is a better fighter than Arkham Batman. He is a skilful warrior but he conquered japan because he had the sword of tengu. No one could oppose this weapon. Not even close.
In his basic form Shredder defeated the turtles only one time - at their first encounter, but splinter interrupted and defeated him. Then the Shredder lost in his own tower. Then he lost in the lair of the utroms. And then he was defeated by triceraton on his own ship. Looking at all this, I cannot say that he is a better fighter than Arkham Batman. Also he is too arrogant and can't control his anger. I think this is the main reason why he would lose to batman
@@daimyo10 Yes. He is not weak, I think half of those times he lost because plot armor, but what you say is also true
@@Czerwonynikto agree, i think he was defeated too easily on the utrom's base and i don't believe that just one triceraton was enough to beat him. In the canceled season, he was able to capture the entire Triceraton ship without a suit.
@@newstan Yes, that's true.
I think it is possible Batman could win a rematch, but I don't think its a given he learns enough about the Shredder in one fight to do it. How long did it take the Turtles to realize that he wasn't even Human? Sure Batman is smarter....but it might take a few fights for him to realize it and he can't win before he figures that out. And even then, it's still a rough fight with that knowledge.
Name music?
People really don't know how powerful 2003 Shredder is, huh? Dude's only hiding in plain sight, on the outside he appears as a street tier criminal mastermind with a foot clan, similarly to Ra's Al Ghul, but in reality he's a space terrorist alien who's responsible for multiple universal genocides.
Utroms BARELY captured him after thousands of years by sheer luck and those guys are Brainiac level
The Shredder has a lot of influence in New York but he isn't as powerful as many people think. In his base form Ch'rell lost to the turtles and Splinter many times. Batman is a much more skilful warrior. But it's only my opinion
@@daimyo10 I disagree. First of all turtles only beat him when they were either way more skilled they were previously or when they had the outside help of Utroms or their assets.
In season 1 they lose pretty badly to Shredder including Splinter who keep in mind won the Nexus tournament and so did Shredder and so did Mikey.
I think you're vastly underestimating Turtles in terms of their skill, they are extremely adaptable and Leo especially is a fast learner. I mean in episode 1 they barely deal with basic foot ninjas and by the end of the show they unlocked their chi to the point where they can transform into dragons
2003 Turtles won against alien invasions, space terrorists, literal monsters, Atlanteans, demons etc.
I think Arkham Batman is way out of their league, comic Batman is a different story but this isn't about him
@@tananatana4011 He completely destroyed the Turtles during their first encounter, that's true. But Splinter intervened and humiliated him. Then Shredder attacked them at April's store, but the turtles managed to escape. After that, he turned into a whipping boy. Lost to them in his own tower having different ninjas on one hand and the sword of tengu on the other. Then he allowed the utroms to escape, lost to the turtles again and got himself annihilated. After that even worse, he somehow managed to lose to Triceraton in a 1v1 fight.
Imo ch'rell is too arrogant to beat Arkham Batman, he can't control his emotions. Even his digital version was easily baited by Mikey the same way as the original was baited by splinter in season 1. So that means he can't learn from his mistakes. While Batman has the ability to adapt to any opponent and circs in a matter of seconds.
@@daimyo10 His arrogance is something Batman would exploit for sure, but you're making i sound as if Triceraton is a weakling or something. Triceratons are HUUUUGE and scale higher than the titans from Arkham games, plus he was an actual soldier, not just a monster, so he knew how to fight
@@tananatana4011 btw are you sure it was Ch'rell who won the Battle Nexus tournament? There are three statues of winners, but none of them have Shredder's gauntlet. And the armor itself is different even from the feudal version. It could have been someone from the ninja tribunal. The only clue is the helmet, which was on a separate pedestal.
Shredder is nothing without his armor if it was hand to hand combat Batman would win easy diff
If bat man has no suit and shredder has no suit shredder wins but this version is a utrom so yea..
Well yea no shit. That’s like saying 87 Kraang is nothing without his armour against 87 Shredder. 😂
Did you really give Battle experience equal?
Ch'rell is thousands years old 😄
Overall - yes, Chrell obviously has more battle experience. But I feel like Batman has more hand to hand combat experience. Just imagine he deafeated thousands of criminals, Ras Al Ghul, Deathstroke, Bane. I dont remember that shredder has worthy opponents in his past. And even if he did: he let Hamato Yoshi escape from his own stronghold, he slaved mystics because of the sword of tengu not because of his skill(even splinter deafeated them years later). Yeah
The Shredder would shred Batman
Batman wins
Wish they brought Scott to voice Shredder again in Fortnite
In that case they would have dishonored scotty ray
@@daimyo10 Yep😔 btw can you do Elite Ninjas vs Dark Turtles or Og Turtles vs Dark Turtles
giving shredder weapons over batman is crazy
Batman doesnt have "weapon", he has gadgets
How strong is this Batman? If he's around the same tier as your standard version then Batman's gadgets are absolutely IMPERATIVE against Ch'rell. Without them there's literally nothing meaningful he can do. This Shredder's armor redirects lasers potent enough to paralyze metahuman Triceratons, walked out from a building exploding and collapsing unscratched, and he wasn't dented at all under repeat blows from Zogg who scales to Leatherhead (held a house volume part of the sewers collapsing for a considerable time). Bro's durability is legit multi city block.
I think this is the strongest standard Batman except comics version.
Yet shredder's armor was electrified by Stockman and then penetrated by the Turtles. So it's not that invulnerable. In addition, Batman had electric gloves in one of the games. And maybe Batman doesn't need to penetrate the armor, he can outsmart the Shredder, like Splinter did in their first encounter, or drive him into a trap.
@@daimyo10 Electrocution works differently from blunt force trauma. It courses through the circuitry damaging his suit's functions.
@@miragenights801 Then it's even easier considering Arkham Batman has shock gloves.
@@HarryK-ld2ed How strong are they
@@miragenights801 Strong enough to act as defibrillators to resuscitate the recently stopped hearts, power elevators, generators, etc. Batman actually used the shock gloves' power to shock Bane so hard that his heart beat stopped. Then Batman resuscitated him by using his shock gloves as defibrillators.
Batman already defeated shredder
Batman. Cause heroes always wins
Bruh that's called the heroes plot but not always win
If the turtles didn't help batman he would've died
IF TMNT V BM HAD THIS SHREDDER MY CHILDHOOD
WOULD WEET ITSELF
batman destroys anyone with a bit of prep time
Equal as far as combat. Batman is smarter, though.... but 2003 Shredder literally refuses to die.
He only dies in the crossover movie
By a multiversal destroying beam, dude has his one kind of plot armor
How does batman have more endurance than a machine
Ur telling me shredder has more knowledge then batman. Really
He's 1500 years old advanced alien from another galaxy, ofc he has more knowledge than batman
@daimyo10 oh the krang shredder. Thanks its been a while since when I first saw that series
Hmmm, this seems slightly biased towards Batman, but overall, this seems extremely good.
But no matter what, making battle experience is a hard no, chr’ell has been fighting and committing terrorisim for thousands of years, and that was before he was on earth, and he crashed during the birth of fighting techniques, and has washed them grow.
He has way more combat experience
Endurance and feats are debatable,
Feats as he almost destroyed the entire multiverse, but he was using the techodroin, so so.
I personally would give him skill, but that’s fine, same with combat.
Thanks for your comment! Let me explain my position.
Battle experience is a very controversial point despite Chrell's rich past. As an intergalactic criminal, he raided planets as a leader, not as a combat unit. He was a kind of military commander, like Napoleon. On Earth, he had The Sword of Tengu at his disposal, thanks to which he literally demolished entire cities and armies. Batman, on the other hand, went through hundreds of hand-to-hand battles, in one night he managed to defeat many of the most dangerous thugs only thanks to his skill, and not "magical" weapons. Each of them has more experience in different types of battles, so I decided to settle for a draw.
As for the feats, Batman was able to overcome the Joker personality within himself and resist Scarecrow's toxin, which previously seemed impossible. In this comparison I did not consider Turtles Forever crossover, so it's just the basic version of the shredder from season 1-3
@@daimyo10 Ok, those are both fair points,
Though I would still give shredded the feats as he has done several things that weren’t supposed to be possible and still succeeded in doing. But yeah that makes more sense.
Thx for being polite and respectful about your reasoning and response
Batman extreme difficulty
batman gana sin diferencia
allies is just so untrue. justice league > footclan all day
Foot Mystics > Justice League
I'm curious. In what areas do you think Batman is definitely better than Shredder?
There's a difference between better and stronger but actually this batman version fought only two supes or maybe four but they aren't in that much level so it's debatable
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Halsey - New Americana
I think shredder will win
imagine exo shredder vs arkham batman, batman has no chance
Exo Shredder has no cover for the utrom inside. This is a vulnerable part of the suit that Batman will use. Also Shredder will lose his mobility. So I think original armor is still a better option for this fight
Sen tengu shredder ı hayal et onu superman bile yenemez
It would have been a stalemate if you put FP 2003 Shredder vs Batman (with Prep-time).
_I’m joking. This is a stomp._ 🍷🗿
Ik, Shredder slams hard core.
Allies 😂 shredder wins? Bruh batman's ally is superman.. Wtf you on??
Batman wins extreme diff
Batman takes every physical attribute and Iq overall shredder has more combat experience but batman has more martial arts mastered
Batman wins mid diff
Haha you bet
Shredder (oroku saki) actually defeated Batman before, And Ch'rell is much more powerful than Saki. And if we bring in demon shredder, its just overkill
Ch'rell never faced such a strong opponent as Arkham Batman. Also he was defeated by the turtles multiple times. Even in his own place when he had the sword of tengu. That's why i prefer batman in this fight.
Tengu shredder is another story. Without prep time batman has no chance against him
@daimyo10 I admit that Batman with prep time solos high diff, plus the turtles in 2003 are much stronger than MOST versions of the teenage mutant ninja turtles.